What to expect next from Nikon


After the latest announcement of the Nikon AF-P Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 ED VR lens (I reported about it back in April), it is time to update the list of expected Nikon cameras and lenses (see previous lists here):

Update: Nikon has at least three new cameras that have already been registered with various government agencies but are not yet officially announced.

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  • D700s

    Been saving in case it’s something I can’t live without…

    • Then it will be the D751, now with snapbridge!

      Also no XQD, only Minidisk based storage cards. Sony runs the show now and all they will sell to Nikonians now are unused stocks of minidisks from the 90s – Minidisk, the future of home recording!

      • TwoStrayCats

        An hour and a half for it to write and merge a HDR stack in camera!

      • Re Eb

        Theres a new sony that washes your dishes for you

    • Fly Moon

      Same here 🙂

      It’s already budgeted into my Year 2017 Budget

    • Pk Bullock

      Can I have some? I’d really like the new 200-400 f4, but I only have $50.00 in savings.

  • SGG

    not much info, seems they keep it secret this time…

    • Shutterbug

      Or it’s not coming as soon as we think…

      • John

        Nikon not making any gear announcements on their 100th anniversary would be a huge mistake. The Apple iPhone 10 year anniversary is this year in Sept and I guarantee you the iPhone 8 release will be big. 100 year anniversary and when you have replacements expected(D820) and new products expected(mirrorless), its called meeting expectations, Nikon is well aware of market expectations, and if a business as large as Nikon can’t deliver it’s just digging its own grave. No mirrorless release or at the very least announcement of a FX mirrorless for release before Christmas at the latest would show how out of touch the company is with the market. Market drives product innovation and I know plenty of pro shooters not willing to wait another 2-3 years. Plenty of camera store, Best Buy, ecterea, salesmen using phrases like “new technology”, “less moving parts”, “live EVF”, “awesome video” are selling more and more Sonys everyday. The Sony gmaster 16-35 and 100-400 are just a month away from full release and that mostly ends the debate on Sony not having much native glass. If the Sony A7 line didn’t light a fire under Nikon’s executives nothing will, because if it took the A9 for Nikon executives to sit up and pay attention then Nikon has already lost. Designing a mirrorless camera from the ground up shouldn’t take any more than 4 years, you know since Oct 2013 when the A7/A7R were released or 2 years since June 2015 when the A7R2 was released. Yes I’m being sarcastic but if Nikon was smart they should have designed 2 mirrorless bodies now, one smaller DF/A7 size and one in a D810/750/610 body size, last time I checked mirrorless has no requirement of being housed in a smaller body, possibly a larger body may be best for any overheating issues Sony has been experiencing.

        • Mike Gordon

          If you cannot take great pics with a D7200 through D810, a new camera is not going to help you…

          • Xitomatl

            Oh I see, so more cameras need be released by Nikon, we already have the D7200 which does the job for “great pics”

            • Re Eb

              The smartphone mentality?

          • Boaz Parson

            I do not want to see comments like yours, Mike. A condescending attitude! Once you must have been a novice, a pure novice learning about the ABCs of the photography. So please refrain from such a condescending comment on people like John who did not say anything about his photo skill level that you assumed wrongfully.

            • Mike Gordon

              It is a fact, what is condescending? Thom makes the same comment & he is labeled a genius…

          • John

            Mike, your ignorance is funny. I easily put on 250,000 clicks a year on 2 bodies. Yes, the D810 is great but it’s limited to 5fps and that isn’t getting the job done when I’m shooting a skier/snowmobilier/snowboarder jumping a 50′ cliff, I’m always looking for a better AF system when I’m covering Indy/NASCAR races, I need image quality and speed. When I’m at 13,000′ elevation at 20F the d7200 isn’t gonna cut it. It’s great Mike that you just make some jackass comment you know nothing about but, the truth is that Nikon is a company, their job is to make a profit. Making a profit is making great products. Nikon is making good products while they allow technology pass them by and allow Fuji Panasonic, and Sony to take big chunks of their customers. Nikon is a publicly traded company and answers to its stockholders and Nikon’s current product line is dated without any creativity or innovation. Mike, by your comment I’m so very sure you are using a D1X or better yet a D200 for professional work; I highly doubt you are a pro because the amount of use you would put your camera through you wouldn’t have made some dumb comment

            • Re Eb

              So you take pictures of snowboarders with a d810?

            • John

              I shoot sports with a D500, I also shoot with a D800, D700 and D3S.

            • Mike Gordon

              Really? If you have these demands, then you are using the wrong camera. Nikon makes exactly what you need = D5. And you are calling me names, LMAO!

            • Mike Gordon

              Really? It these are your requirements, you really ARE using the wrong camera. Guess I was actually wrong after-all. Nikon makes exactly what you need = D5. And you are calling me names, LMAO!

    • Right. The D500 was also a very tight secret and surprise.

      • Shutterbug

        NR reported on the D500 at least 3 times in the few months before release – it was not too much of a surprise. I think some rumors still called it the D400 which may have been confusing, but it was not the tightly kept secret some people think it was.

        • Fly Moon

          I can’t remember seeing that!

        • Simonh2159

          Yes it was a secret it was si long after the d300 s everyone thought nikon were finished with Dx no your wrong it was a total but nice surprise. Nikon have ff mirrorless bodies for over 2 years in r and d, time doesn’t matter what they release does

        • ITN

          Many sites periodically claimed that the D400 would be released “soon” for six years … it doesn’t seem like there was any real information in play. They just guessed / made it up based on what felt logical to them. Until eventually waiting long enough something was released.

    • T.I.M

      That’s remind me the cold war and USSR politics.

  • jmb2560

    Perhaps a new lens mount… ;-0

  • T.I.M

    Dxxx day minus 7 !

    Mr Nikon, I would like a light 500mm f/4E PF VR ($2995)
    Merci beaucoup !

    • bobgrant

      The long end of the 200-500 is so good at 5.6 that I dumped the 200-400 f4. The difference between 5.6 and F4 wasn’t really much and at 500mm the cheaper zoom gave me incredible results and the VR is top notch. I can’t imagine paying more for 500mm unless it’s 2.8. The 200-500 is THAT good.

      • animalsbybarry

        Make a 250-600 f5.6 version

      • Gary Haigh

        I have the Nikon 200-500 and know 2 pro’s who got rid of the 200-400 because it was not sharp, or to soft, as they put it. I love my 200-500, its so convenient, would like to see Nikon upgrade it though with a better foot, preferably Arca swiss style……can’t understand why they won’t do this on the big glass. Even my 600mm f/4 had a rubbish foot!

      • Davo

        Every new E lens recently has been pretty amazing. There’s no reason to doubt a 200-400 f4 E won’t also reach new heights. Not taking anything away from the excellent 200-500 of course.
        Let’s wait and see.

      • Bob Thane

        The one issue is AF – the 200-500 has great image quality, enough to rival or beat the current 200-400, but it just isn’t fast enough for some subjects. If the new 200-400 offers even slightly better image quality than the 200-500 and the same or better AF as the current 200-400 it will be a very tempting lens.

    • nwcs

      Not for that price. If they did another PF it might be a 500 f5.6 one. But consider how much the current 500 f4 sells for and think what a PF version would sell for… Not $3000

      • peter w

        It would do about 13.000 euro or more.
        Look at Canons 400 F4 DO. Costed about as much as 200-400 F4 nikkor.

        • peter w

          Look at Nikkor 300 F4.
          PF VR AF-S costs about 3/2 of AF-S.
          13.000 could be a low guess…

    • sickheadache

      D830. 46mp. 7fps, and toaster oven.

      • peter w

        Toaster oven? That was for Sony, roaster sensor.
        You mean with 4G and a built in alarm for when play time is over.

    • Abyssal

      Baby D5 would be a mirrorless surprise for 100 years

      • T.I.M

        Mirrorless are easier and cheaper to make compared to mirror/prism cameras.
        I prefer cameras with reflex view.

        • Abyssal

          Probably…i have both system nikon and sony and nikon is the best in the end shipest glass
          On attend le Dxxx et le prix …

        • the prices of the latest mirrorless cameras contradict your statement

          • Allan

            Peter,

            Thom has said that mirrorless cameras are cheaper to manufacture.

            The price of a product is what the manufacturer thinks he can get away with.

            • I agree, basically the savings are not passed to the consumer.

          • T.I.M

            LOL !

            Dear Peter (I like your young innocence).

            Costing less to build does not automatically mean selling it for less, if they could sell mirrorless cameras for millions dollars, they would!

            Look at the flat screen TVs, they cost much less to build compared to the old vacuum tubes TVs, but the first flat screen generations were very expensive (for the customer).

            Same for cellphones, etc…

            :o)

            • I agree, we just have to mention both aspects when we say that mirrorless is cheaper to produce – that doesn’t mean it is cheaper to buy. Many people think that cheaper production leads to cheaper pricing but this so far has not been the case.

            • T.I.M

              Sometimes is terrible, for example bananas producers, get about only 2% of the final banana price (what the customer pay at the store).

            • ZoetMB

              You’re forgetting the development cost and the one time costs of setting up a factory to build flat screen panels or sensors, which are in the $billions. Once that’s amortized, then prices come down. Consumer TV prices were too low, which is why almost everyone left the business. Mass market TV’s are actually quite inexpensive today. A Sony KV-1920 19″ tabletop set was $590 in 1974. That’s $2926 in current dollars.

              Large panels are still quite complex to manufacture without flaws which is why really large set sizes are incredibly expensive. Typically, a 65″ panel is 38% higher than a 55″ panel, a 75″ panel is 63% higher than a 65″ panel and a 100″ panel is 560% higher than a 75″ panel.

              In the early days of digital, it was quite difficult and expensive to produce an full-sized 35mm sensor, which is why everyone went APS-C first.

            • T.I.M

              True, but keep in mind that manufacturers will always try to charge you the maximum price.
              A GPS for my car (RAM Dodge) is $3000 from the manufacturer!
              They try to make you pay a lot if you don’t have other choices.
              I find a nice large 7″ GPS for only $500.

            • ZoetMB

              As an embedded accessory to a car purchase, that’s a different case. And while GM might be manufacturing that GPS, it’s the dealer charging you that price. Accessories from dealers are marked up at least 500% – they make more from accessories than they do from selling the cars themselves (at least in the U.S.). That was always the case: $200 car radios were marked up to over $1000 by car companies. Dealers try to charge you $200 or more for car mats.

            • T.I.M

              USA is a great country with great people, but to be honest (well…) cars and motorcycles dealers are real thieves,
              I France (and many others countries in Europe) the price is “clefs en main” (keys in hands) so you know right away how much the car will cost you with no hidden fees.
              Here in US, they add BS fees on top of other BS fees and you end up buying a car that cost you 30% more than the tag price !
              :o(

  • RobertVS

    D810 successor and a digital S-mount rangefinder would work fine for me

  • br0xibear

    If I were betting Peter’s money on it (I don’t have any money, lol)…
    A D820 and a “baby D5” at the 100th celebration date.
    Maybe Nikon will go back to the “h”, “s” and “x” naming…so you’ll get two D820 bodies, one the high MP and the other with the D5 sensor.
    I don’t see any mirrorless this year…but what do I know ? lol

    • Ric of The LBC

      baby D5 as in Df2???

      • br0xibear

        No.
        The Df is such a niche camera, I don’t consider it as part of Nikon’s normal DSLR line up… it’s like a separate luxury range.
        A D810 or D500 body with the D5 sensor… that’s what a “baby D5” means to me.
        Others feel differently.

        • MB

          I actually feel the same 🙂
          D810 body with D500 improvements, two sensors regular and x or s, compatible with D500 grip … and we will have my beloved D700/D300 combo again, and more 🙂

          • amaas

            That would be far too logical for Nikon to actually do.

            A pity, since it’s exactly what they should do.

            • Bob Thane

              The baby D5 will be the D760 or whatever they call it, albeit likely with a better sensor than the D5.

          • br0xibear

            I think it would make an interesting range of DSLRs for Nikon…
            Personally I would scrap the D600/D610 and make the D750/D760 the FX entry point.
            A D820x would be the high 46/48MP D810 replacement.
            A D820h would be the D5 sensor in D820x body.
            D5 flagship FX and D500 flagship DX.

            What great choice you’d have…for the price of a D5, you could instead have a D820x and a D820h.
            Or if you wanted a D820h as a smaller back up for your D5…or whatever other combination fitted your way of working.

        • geofflivingston

          I love my Df, a much more fun camera than my D810. I use the D810 for serious jobs, but always want the Df for play.

    • peter w

      I consider the sensor of D8x0 series more interesting than the D5 sensor.Because I think D800 has great high iso performance up to 1600 iso ;), and I love the dynamic range.
      I’ld see use for a mirrorless based on Dx0 sensor.
      However, I’ld rather see a DSLR that mimmicks mirrorless in mirror-up mode. Let’s get the best of both worlds.

    • Nikonland

      I agree, this would be the better gamble for Nikon revenues 😉
      There is no such room in the market for an high-megapixel only model.

  • Roman Justme

    I can see a few ideas
    1). Eye tracking to where you want to focus.
    2). Curved sensor, center of the image is in focus, while the edges are out a bit.
    3) hyper focusing determination.

    • Bob Thane

      I feel like commercial and landscape photographers would be a little miffed about blurry edges.

    • T.I.M

      LOL, eye tracking to where I want to focus….
      Then my wife take a look at the camera’s data and she blame me for focusing on ladies behind!

      • Sawyerspadre

        Canon had eye tracking for focus back in the 90s. I think it was the EOS Elan, in the US. It may have had a different name in other countries.

        It also had the fancy roll sensor, which could expose 36 images, and then you had to replace it with a new sensor.

        You could view your images quickly at the one-hour fotomat.

    • Jim

      I love the idea of eye tracking and it looks amazing in the Sony A9 but I’d be shocked to see something like that from Nikon. I feel like Nikon is the kinda person who you date who is honest, reliable, hard-working, nice, quality person, but will never, ever surprise you with flowers. Ya know? That person is Sony.

    • First one is a failure. Canon used this and discarded long ago.
      Second has been patented by canon recently and it is actually better for sharp focussing also in the corners if done correctly.

      • peter w

        … however, with a set of totally new lenses. Present lenses have been corrected for a flat (cartesian 😉 ) surfaced sensor/film.
        I think Fuji or Sony did something like that in a single lens compact some time last 7 years.

      • Roman Justme

        Didn’t know. Thanks for the update. 🙂

      • Roman Justme

        Apparently Nikon patented the curved sensor see below

        A new Nikon lens patent is causing quite a stir in the photo world today, but it’s not because of the lens itself. Instead, the patent has people excited because it describes a lens that is made for a curved full-frame sensor, possibly inside a mirrorless camera.

        The latter bit is pure speculation—as Nikon Rumors points out, “the patent does not provide sufficient technical information to determine if this is a mirrorless or a DSLR lens,” especially since Nikon has patented curved sensors in the past—but the 35mm F2.0 lens described is definitely made to work with a full-frame curved sensor.

        https://www.dpreview.com/news/5459463318/nikon-patents-35mm-f2-0-lens-for-camera-with-curved-full-frame-sensor

  • jake337

    Nikon should really refresh that old 180mm f2.8D.

    • T.I.M

      The update is called AF-S 200mm f/2 VR ED

      • Jeffry De Meyer

        no, the 200mm is a high end lens, the 180 has always been a nice affordable lens that would fit now in the f1.8 line of the shorter lenses.

        • T.I.M

          I had the 180mm f/2.8, great lens but a little short, I think the real focal length was around 170mm.
          Yes the 200mm f.2 is much more expensive but it’s a investment, most portraits I sold were made with that lens, I got my money back x100 !

          • jake337

            But I’m not selling anything. I’m a hobbyist. Can’t really justify 5k+ on a lens.

            • peter w

              I think there is a slight difference in weigth and thus the way you use it.
              Perhaps mr T might have been smoking?
              Btw. the successor of D3300 is D4.
              🙂

            • jake337

              Yeah a HUGE difference in weight and size between a 200 f2 and 180 f2.8D.

            • MB

              In that case just go for 70-200 f/4 … it will do everything 180 does and much more 🙂

            • jake337

              I don’t want a huge zoom.

          • Spy Black

            Most people wants a lens on their camera they can shoot with without a back brace.

      • jake337

        Lol what? There has always been a 200mm f2 since the AIS days but the never updated the 180mm f2.8. It’s the poor man’s 200mm f2, lol.

        A modern 180mm f2.8E PF VR would be ridiculously small, light and relatively affordable. Look at the diffe4ence between the 300mm f4D and current 300mm f4E.

        I think it would sell well.

        • T.I.M

          I said update, Ais is old manual focus lenses, not an update from Af-d.
          Even if Nikon would offer a new AF-S 180mm f/2.8, I think the AF-S 200mm f/2 is still the portraits king.

          • jake337

            Of course. I would love a 200 f2.

            And yes anything after the AIS is an update. The 200mm line started with the 20cm f4 Q I 1961 and had been u0datwd to where it is now.

            It’s called lineage.

        • T.I.M

          By the way, the “new” AF-S 200mm f/2 with its super ED element is much sharper than the old Ai-s version.

          • DrNo666

            14mm, 16mm fish, 130mm, 180mm and the 200mm micro are the old prime focal lengths that Nikon seem completely uninteresting in updating.

            • T.I.M

              The actual 16mm AF f/2.8 is pretty good.
              I do need a good 14mm f/2.8, I had 2 of the Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 AF awful.
              Here is a picture took with the 16mm f/2.8 oeil de poisson.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b4a94fe1ef27ba11fe04310b0aaf4dc2b674f206514c97951756a37e6e648e5.jpg

            • Allan

              Your picture looks like how I feel when I have overeaten.

            • T.I.M

              It’s Ok, call Ken, he has plenty apps to correct that.

            • Allan

              Thanks. I usually just take Alka-Seltzer.

            • T.I.M

              LOL, in my country we replace Alka-Seltzer with a shoot of cognac !

            • peter w

              try lychees for desert, works fabulous.
              after that you’ll appreciate some more of the mousse au chocolat

  • ninpou_kobanashi

    Can someone explain AF-P and whether or not one believes this is part of the transition to mirrorless? I read that you can’t even manual focus on older bodies like the D200, which makes no sense to me.

    Recently released lenses are not AF-P, so maybe it’s not part of the mirrorless plan. But then, WTH is it?

    Sony system lenses piss me off because they:
    Have no instant Manual AF-S like override
    Also have no hard switch for MF

    It’s weird, I use a Nikon adapter on my Sony, to gain some of this functionality back, crappy as the adapter is.

    I do like the fact that the G Master lenses have a custom mappable function button on them.

    • decisivemoment

      As I understand, AF-P as well as Canon’s equivalent STM stepper-based focusing motors are a little short of torque compared to conventional silent-wave AF motors, so have only been introduced on smaller lenses. But they’re very smooth, instantly responsive and quiet so they enable on-sensor contrast-based focus to work OK and they’re almost silent on video whether with phase-detect or contrast-based focus, sensor or optical. Non-stepper-motor AF as I understand it simply is not a very good match electro-mechanically for liveview focus, certainly not the contrast-based variety.

      Stepper motors aren’t the only option besides silent-wave motors…..electromagnetic focusing is now a thing, not only in smartphones and the better camcorders but also in many new mirrorless camera lenses. Sony’s early efforts at this (55/1.8, 24-70/4) have had terrible failure rates because of their gamble that glue-on-a-single-flat-surface would hold the whole thing together, but their more recent efforts, and all of Fuji’s mirrorless lenses, are much better on account of also using actual fasteners and housings. Focusing speed in these motors seems to be very high, and so I assume some of the torque issues have been addressed too. Why Nikon and Canon have not given this a go I have no idea. I’m going to purely guess too costly for cheap lenses, too newfangled-to-be-trusted on expensive ones. A full discussion of this is available at LensRentals, here. https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/04/a-look-at-electromagnetic-focusing/

    • Captain Megaton

      The straight up answer is .. no, not right now. Nikon certainly likes AF-P as it is pushing the implementation faster than a lot of consumers are comfortable with. This much is obvious.

      The immediate reason, I think, is to make sure liveview and video on dSLRs are more competitive. The longer term reason *might* be a mirrorless camera, but given that most AFP lenses so far have been DX and at the low end of the spectrum, that would mean the mirrorless camera would be a DX, entry level thing and not a FX A7 competitor I think most people are expecting.

      • Spy Black

        So where do E lenses fit in all this? As far as I can tell, the only lenses that have the potential to work on any forthcoming mirrorless, presumably via an adapter, will be an E lens, so I’m at a loss as to the AF-P thing.

        • RC Jenkins

          Here’s a summary:
          ::AF-P – Full electronic communication + stepper motor (good for silence & smoother fine-movement AF). Most noticeable benefits are to video.

          ::E – Full electronic communication. No stepper motor, so fine AF movement is louder and jerkier–more sudden movements.

          The stepper motor is the difference. Both should work ok when it comes to mirrorless, but the AF-P may work better since it’s smoother for iterating during contrast-detect AF–which all mirrorless/live view needs to an extent. Ironically, the AF-P’s slower speed may make it autofocus faster. 🙂

          An adapter or F-mount will have 0 performance effect on the above.

          ::AF-S & before – various mechanical communication (eg. mechanical aperture, AF, metering coupling, etc.)

        • Captain Megaton

          The “E” lenses don’t need the mechanical lever in the camera body to trigger the indexing – the aperture is controlled and powered electrically.

          Again, the immediate advantage is video on existing dSLRs. The long term advantage is a simpler, electrical pass through only, F-mount adapter for mirrorless camera. It will be a very long time before such a thing is viable however, as so many lenses are not E type.

          You are mistaken about only E-lenses being compatible with mirrorless. You can use any G lens, indeed any F-mount lens you want, on the Nikon 1 with the FT-1 adapter. The adapter has a solonoid or similar mechanical motor and the mechanical index coupling level to trigger the aperture in the lens. (Not many people realize this.)

          “E” lenses will be the standard for whatever new lens mount Nikon comes out for with the mirrorless though, so you can think of it as technology transfer. (Nikon 1 native lenses are also of course fully electronic.)

      • ZoetMB

        Faster than consumers are comfortable with?? Quite the opposite. Nikon was roundly criticized for not responding faster with lenses that work well shooting video.

      • ninpou_kobanashi

        I thought Nikon tested in the consumer space (i.e. cheaper DX line).
        Just thinking out loud.

  • unimo36090

    nikon is really careful. but count me in on the rugged/adventure/travel market segment=in basic terms this means lightweight hardware “camera”. nikon needs to scale down, improve quality and do a ton of research. i still have my nikon d3200, but im using my iphone alot to take regular shots. i like nikon because glass is truly superior atleast for its market. but these dslr’s weigh a brick! technology is shifting, so nikon should be. here are the things that needs to be revolutionzed. lightweight glass material, lightweight body material, software engineering. computer hardware. battery technology. sensor technology. Sony is only good at Making a frankenstein camera along with hype. maybe have an option of combining evf and optical?

    • ZoetMB

      Mostly agree, but use lighter materials like modern plastics and all the macho old men on here freak out. Most on here would hate a lightweight camera. They like suffering.

      • I think some people see the word plastic and think it’s cheap or fragile. People were complaining about the D7500 having a plastic body, immediate reaction not a pro body, piece of sh;t etc etc before even picking it up.

  • Abhinav

    Nikon d850 is the name 😉

    • ToastyFlake

      No, they’re scared of 13.

      • Abhinav

        Some kind of numberlogy going on .

    • John

      Considering the number 13 is a really bad thing in Asian cultures I’ll bet you about 10,000 it’s not called the 850.

      • Davo

        13 is bad in Asian cultures? Have you mistaken that for the number 4?

        • ZoetMB

          Do we really have to go over this meme again? While it might be true that “4” is a ‘bad luck’ number in Asian cultures, Nikon has used it time and time again.

          Nikon S4, F4, F4s, F4e, F401 series / N4004 series, D40, D4, D3400; Coolpix: 4500, 4300, 5400, 4200, 4100, 8400, 4800, 4600, S4, P4, L4, L14, S640, S4000, S4150, S4199, L24, S4300, S4200, S6400, S9400, S3400, S4400, P340, L840, L340 and that doesn’t even include the cases where the numerals sum to “4”.

          If I had a dollar for every time someone posted that Nikon won’t use the number “4” in a model name, I could afford a D5 (or at least a D4).

          As for “13”, I’m not going to check the whole list, but there was an S6700 and an S9400, so that’s total b.s. as well. It’s amazing what garbage people post without thinking.

          • Davo

            I think you’re reading way too much into my comment. I never said Nikon won’t use 4. I just questioned whether OP confused 13 for 4 as an unlucky number in certain Asian cultures.

            • Boaz Parson

              Davo, you might be right. Wherever the Chinese character is understood,#4 is a bad omen! Because the number 4’s pronunciation is same as a word for “death” in the Chinese alphabet.

        • John

          4 and 13 are bad numbers in Asian culture. Most buildings in China omit floors 13 and any containing the number 4 like 4, 14, 24, ecterea. So no I haven’t “mistaken” anything. And since 13 = 4 I guarantee there will be no D850 or D760 models.

          • Davo

            No. Omitting the 13th floor in some buildings in Asia is following a western (American?) tradition. There are no negative connotations to 13 in Asian cultures traditionally that I’m aware of.

      • peter w

        next is D851

        • John

          Please share the Nikon model number adding to 13.

  • Harold1966

    Df II with IBIS and EVF or EVF option. That would be a real 100th anny pressy.

    • Those would be IMPROVEMENTS?

      • Michiel953

        LoL! The improvements are needed in other areas.

      • Harold1966

        Yes, very much.
        IBIS to use with older lenses a lot of Df users like.
        EVF is the way forward, just like mirrorless will be your only option in a couple of years time. It’s not 1971 anymore people….

        • No it’s not 1971 anymore, it’s 2017 and you can still buy rangefinder and view cameras. They offer a different shooting experience and/or visual quality to the images made with them. So far I don’t see an EVF that comes even remotely close to an SLR viewfinder. I always end up feeling like I’m taking pictures of a TV screen. And then there’s the slight lag as the image catches up with where you’re panning. So, no thanks, it’s not an improvement. IBIS is fine as long as you can turn it on and off, like VR.

          • Harold1966

            Of course you have to be able to turn IBIS off, it will have a normal Nikon mount, which also fits VR lenses. IBIS and VR lenses won’t mix well I bet. Nikon would be foolish if you couldn’t switch it off.
            I hear and read the Sony A9 EVF is much better then before.

          • Harold1966

            https://petapixel.com/2017/07/24/review-sony-a9-camera-wedding-photographers-dreams/

            “EVF (Electronic View Finder)

            The Sony a9 EVF is simply superb. So bright, clear and no delay. It
            is so good you forget you are looking at a small display in the
            eyepiece. What you see is what you get. Far better than the X-T2 which
            looks like you are playing Minecraft in comparison. Gone are the days of
            ‘guessing’ exposure with an SLR.”

            So, they are getting better, and might be far better then what you have tested yet.

      • paige4o4

        How could you possibly consider them not to be?

        • EVF sucks, so it’s not an improvement. If you like cameras with EVF that’s fine, I have no problem with that at all. It’s great to have choices. But a Df does not need an EVF. I’ve checked out a lot of cameras that have EVF and for the life of me can’t understand the fascination with them. It’s like looking at a TV screen. ??

          • paige4o4

            How does the existence of an “EVF option” make the OVF version worse? You’re saying choice is a bad thing?

            • Why would I want to pay for a feature I don’t want? That’s not a choice, it’s an obligation. There are plenty of cameras with EVF for those that want that. If Nikon wants to make one of those, they should. But it’s not something that would “improve” the Df. It would make it a different kind of camera. Fortunately I don’t think Nikon is stupid enough to do that.

            • paige4o4

              Uh… you /wouldn’t/ be paying for it. That’s what “optional” means. You can go ahead and buy the OVF version, and I can buy the EVF version. Everyone is happy.

              There is NO downside.

            • If by option you mean that there is a choice of two different cameras, then fine. The Fuji X-Pro models allow you the option of EVF or OVF in one camera. I think that’s what the original poster meant.

            • paige4o4

              Oh I see what you mean. I believe those are called “hybrid” EVF/OVFs, and I agree they’re a poor compromise.

              I was suggesting they offer two distinct models. Or even make it modular, like the Nikon F3 which had interchangeable prisms / focus screens.

            • Yeah, modular would be cool. I have an old F2 with a couple different heads. I put on the prism with no meter and it turns it into a really sleek street shooter. You’re guessing a bit on exposure, but you catch on pretty quick and it starts to be intuitive. All this said, I hope Nikon does make a FF mirrorless. I used to have a Contax G2 and the viewfinder adjusted for almost all the lenses and was excellent. Why not offer something like that and an EVF for those that like that?

    • Bob Thane

      Nah, go the Mamiya way and call it the Df+.

    • Espen4u

      A Df2 (or df-ten) not built on the d600 chassi for better AF in low light and slimmer, like fm2 slim ;). OVF with a split screen/microprism for MF. Keep the d4 sensor. That would be my kind of camera.

  • Caffeine

    A little too quiet but I’m positive that the D850 will be announced on the 25th. At least I hope so…

    • Davo

      Quiet either means there’s nothing around the corner or a big surprise that’s being kept under close guard. I’m hoping for the latter.

  • John

    At the very least the 100 anniversary better include product announcements including a FX mirrorless body to be released by the Christmas holiday. Nikon has had since 2013 when the A7 was released to start design and production, if they can’t do that in 4 years they are heading to the graveyard. Once you start losing the pros, it’s the youtubers, hobbyists and amateurs and on and on. today’s business world, especially technology related and being beaten to death by cell phones better be gloves on ready to fight type of competitive because the camera market is getting very selective and requesting technology. If Nikon came out with an D810 sized mirrorless it would be a game changer, something Nikon hasn’t done in some time.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Why say something like “Once you start losing the pros…” when Nikon has given us arguably state-of-the-art D5, D8## and D500 in their very recent past?

      • paige4o4

        “State of the art”. I’d say the above cameras are excellent, but they’re not on the leading of edge of technology. Sony A7rII, Pentax K1, and Canon 5Ds are all superior in terms of technology and specs. The Sony A9 leads for sports/action cameras, and I’d take a Fuji XT2 over the D500 any day (well, if Fuji had the right tele-lenses).

        Again, this strictly in terms of technology. Nikon cameras are still excellent, but they aren’t innovating and advancing the state of the art like the competition is.

      • John

        because I know plenty of pros that were Nikon users for 10-20 years and are tired of waiting for Nikon to play catch up. Sure the D5/D500 AF system is very good but Sony A9 options like silent shutter/EVF/eye and face detection AF/better low light AF performance/93% AF frame coverage is going to be more appealing than Nikon’s continuing strategy of slowly giving drips and drabs of technology when their hand is forced. Its been 4 years since the A7 was introduced and still in 2017 Nikon has yet to answer the call on mirrorless. Allen, you mention D8## which is laughable because the D8## has not even been released and there is ZERO info released on the specs so that looks like you are a fanboy blindly believing what the D8## is going to be which is quite ignorant. in a week from now when this supposed 100 year anniversary Nikon release happens and no pro mirrorless is mentioned on being released before the holiday season thats going to be a very big nail in Nikon’s coffin. The Sony A9r/s should be delivered by the holidays going off Sony’s schedule for releasing models. the best thing Nikon could do for themselves would be to release a FX mirrorless camera in the size of a D800/D750/D500, there is no law that requires mirrorless to be housed in a tiny body. A larger body would make the pros happy, and relieve any overheating issues by having a larger space for the electronics and better airflow and space for heat syncs/exchangers. 24-36 mp sensors are the sweet spot and no pros I know are looking forward to larger file sizes in their workflow. better low light performance/af tracking including eye and face detection/mirrorless/EVF/ISO performance are what are on their wish list.

  • Ashok Vashisht

    Waiting for the D750 successor.

  • Ashok Vashisht

    Also hope that Nikon launches a good 24-105 lens.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Nikon has a good, modern 16-80mm DX and a good 24-120mm FX already.

      • Davo

        How does the current 24-120 perform on the D810? I’m asking cos I don’t really know.

        • Eledeuh

          It performs very adequately when stopped down, and isn’t too shabby wide open.

          It’s obviously not the sharpest lens ever created, but if one wants a good compromise between performance and compactness it’s really great, and rather cheap actually, if bought as a kit lens.

          • Davo

            Yes, I’ve heard fairly good things but just wondered whether it’d show too many weaknesses on the new breed of cameras. But being sold as a kit lens, I wouldn’t be surprised if an update isn’t too far away. The E designation would be a given but I think AF-P might be a shoe in for the casual videographer.

          • paige4o4

            Canon and Sigma disagree. It’s worse than nikons other f/4 zooms (16-35 & 70-200) by a large margin.

            It would be perfect to launch the D820 with a new and improved 24-105 f/4E VR. (IMO, they should prioritize performance over zoom range. Better to have a razor sharp 105mm than a soft 120mm, especially with today’s high mp sensors.)

        • JXVo

          I am happy with mine. Sharp enough to work nicely with my D800/810. It is not as heavy or bulky as the 24-70 f2.8 options. Sharpness, colour and contrast are all better than the 18-200 and 28-105 that I used to have before on DX and film cameras…for that price it should be better. I shot the 28-105 side by side with the 24-120 when I got it and the new lens is visibly better…and it has VR when you need it.

        • paige4o4

          It lags behind the competition by a large margin.

      • preston

        I would argue that neither of those are good enough for the high resolution sensors of D500/D800.

    • Sports

      Nikon will announce E versions of all important lenses, eventually, so a 24-120 f/4E, please, with some magic dust, of course, to upgrade IQ.

    • T.I.M

      The af-s 24-120mm f/4G VR is excellent!

    • C-M

      A new 18-70 would be nice

  • silmasan

    You know.. I’ve been wondering, they might repeat the old formula of
    D3/D3X/D700/D300(s)/D90. We now already have:
    D5/___/____/D500/D7500, so if you fill in the blanks… you’ll have D5X and D850/D900 with D5’s sensor. Which means that you’ll have to pay for higher MP, and any remaining D810 stock will empty up fast.

    • Davo

      But what if D810 replacement = high mp (46mp?) and D5x = ultra high mp (70+mp?)

      • silmasan

        Too many different sensors, not enough volume I think. Can they afford that today? But if you replace the new 70mp one (which surely doesn’t come from the 20mp sensor R&D scaled up) with the already available 20mp sensor, they’d have a more economically sound path. The 46mp one (scaled up 20mp sensor) will then have to go to D5X. And I think the D850/D900 with 20mp sensor will sell more than Df2 with same sensor.

        • Davo

          You’re right. In a declining volume market, that might well mean too many sensors. But my take is the D5 will share the sensor with the Df II. The D820x might share a sensor with a possible D5x, differentiated by features. And another new sensor arrives in the eventual D750 successor and a possible D820h, also differentiated by features. 3 sensors covering 6 models.
          As to an ultra high mp sensor, the new 20mp m43 sensor is Sony derived. If they could scale that up to FF, you’d get something a bit under 80mp.

          • RC Jenkins

            I think Nikon needs only 3 ‘types’ of sensors for ILC’s:
            ::High resolution (Specialty landscape & DX)
            ::Mid (General)
            ::High speed / High ISO (Specialty action)

            Base all high-res FX models & DX around the first one (eg. D3###, D7500, D500, D8##/D5X). Current: 20MP DX / 46MP FX. Eventually this is BSI, 50-100 MP (FX), etc. High volume.

            D750 / Df should be based around the ‘mid’. 32MP for the next release. The eventual target should be 36MP. 36MP = “perfect unsampled” 4k at 4:4:4, or 8k with sub-sampling. So this is the current general use sensor + video sensor. High volume. Good for first mirrorless.

            And the D5 (and any current pro video) should be based around the ‘high-speed’ sensor. Low volume. Eventually, this is the stacked sensor like the A9 sensor.

            To improve the output of the 46-megapixel D8##, it should also have a (sub)pixel-shift tripod mode that:
            ::Moves per Bayer pattern (1 ‘base’ + 1 right + 1 down + 1 left)
            ::(Optional) Moves per sub-photo-site (0.5 right, 0.5 down, 0.5 left, 0.5 up)
            ::Takes a single dark frame for subtraction
            ::Stacks these 5-9 images & output to a 14-bit, 46MP or 184MP (sub-pixel) raw file (or DNG, TIFF, etc.)

            The faster it does this (with less shock), the better, so maybe electronic shutter only. An eventual 1/100 (handheld?) shutter speed would require a full sensor readout of 1/400 for the ‘bayer shift’. This is not unrealistic.

            This could make the ultimate landscape camera with no future technology required. For tripod shots of still subjects, it would have:
            ::better dynamic range
            ::less noise
            ::higher real resolution (using hardware capture instead of software interpolation)

            I personally think that’s Nikon’s winning sensor formula for the foreseeable future.

            • Davo

              I’m quite agreeable with your reasoning. It’s a variation on my take, swapping the Df sensor with the “D820h.”
              But the thing I’d add is, although the Df is not about speed, it is about high ISO and good low light capabilities. On top of that, I think there’s history hence why I suspect it might share the D5 sensor.
              And whilst the D5 sensor might make more sense in a “D820h,” in terms of FPS, I don’t think the readout speed of the sensors are the limiting factor anymore for mirrored cameras.
              So for a theoretical “D820h” even without a D5 sensor, current sensor tech should allow it to handle pretty high frame rates based on readout bandwidth. It’s whether or not Nikon would be willing to put in the high speed mirror mechanism that would limit the frame rate.
              As for mirrorless, then yes its all about the readout speed and that includes on-sensor AF calculations and the rate at which the data is sampled.

            • RC Jenkins

              I would counter that the D750 is far better than the D5 at lower ISOs and only slightly worse at high ISOs (fraction of a stop). I think this better suits what the Df is designed to do.

              I don’t think of the Df as a sports-wildlife-action camera. It got the same AF module as the D600!
              Instead, the Df is a flexible, all-rounder, like the D750. I personally would rather have a Df with the D750 sensor & AF module (same as the D4 AF module) instead.

              Agreed that readout speeds aren’t a real limit for modern DSLR’s. But things like resolution, processing power, and buffer (both speed & depth) are limits that are tied to the sensor design. So these ‘fast’ sensors will naturally be lower resolution: say 20MP @ 15FPS vs. 40MP @ 7.5 FPS.

              That’s why I’d stick to the 3 sensors, with the ‘mid’ sensor being the best aligned to what I’d expect for a Df.

            • Davo

              All very reasonable again although I do think the D5 high ISO advantage is not quite as simple as a numerical 1/x stop.
              And just for the sake of clarity, I wasn’t implying the Df was a sports-wildlife-action camera but rather the street shooter that continues to output well in almost all lighting conditions, including night scenes well after the sun has gone down. It is also possible a base D5 sensor can be tuned a little differently to produce slightly different results as a Df II would be less specialized than a D5 and needs to be more of an all-rounder.

            • RC Jenkins

              Sorry, I don’t want to harp on this point too long, but I just want to bring some background information.

              Yes, certainly possible to tune the D5 sensor a bit differently; but why would you do so? The D5 sensor is purposely low resolution for speed that the Df doesn’t use (the Df was only 5.5 FPS).

              The D750 sensor has far more flexibility than the D4 & D5. It was also 50% higher resolution than the same-generation D4 (D5 predecessor).

              So if we were to look at a chart:
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f06d9f0dfc9d73b4e07c0d9c442c9435b73a8dce7840eb0cfe5e57e0ac94da6.png

              We see that the D750 sensor is better than the Df/D4 sensor at all ISOs.

              It’s also a full 2.5 stops better than the D5 at low ISO’s and only half a stop behind at high ISO’s.

              The D750 sensor is also ISO invariant, unlike the D5, which has the lowest base ISO dynamic range of any Nikon camera:
              https://www.dpreview.com/news/9402203921/nikon-d5-shows-drop-in-dynamic-range

              This D750 sensor (and future iterations of it) is exactly the type of flexibility & all-round performance I’d want to see in a Df. It’s among the most flexible, balanced sensors I’ve seen.

              The D5 sensor is very specialized–it’s low resolution specifically for speed; and it’s designed specifically for high ISO shooting while losing most performance at low and moderate ISOs. I just don’t think it aligns to what you’d want in the Df.

            • Davo

              Fair enough. I don’t own a Df nor am I the target audience but do know ppl that do. It’s just my anecdotal experience from an admitted very limited sample that led me to believe that the Df shooters value the very high ISO range that’s all.

            • RC Jenkins

              Yeah–it’s amazing to think just how capable the D750 sensor is. While the D810 suffers at high ISOs and the D5 suffers at low ISOs, common sense would dictate that the D750 has to suffer somewhere in the ISO range…

              But the D750 has the entire range covered brilliantly! It’s one of those things I don’t think many people are aware about until they specifically research the D750.

              I hope Nikon keeps up this tradition for the D750-line (and moves the Df over to this). This is IMO the perfect ‘mid’ sensor, unlike the specialized D810 (high resolution with worse high-ISO) and the specialized D5 (low resolution with worse low-ISO). The D750 was also meant to be Nikon’s strongest DSLR for video, so I think it makes sense for them to try to incorporate phase detection onto this sensor and share it with the first Nikon mirrorless models. The Df can tag along for better video / live view autofocus potential! 🙂

            • Davo

              I haven’t looked into it very closely but it seems all the latest Sony derived sensors are employing the dual gain architecture that could lead to a better tuning of performance across the ISO spectrum.
              Hence at least for me, I’m highly anticipating what the D810 successor will bring to see if they can maintain the lead at the low end whilst employing some of that dual gain wizardry for the higher ISO ranges,

            • RC Jenkins

              Yes, dual gain would be nice, though it usually has a very subtle effect. For example, the Fuji X-Pro2 has dual gain (see chart below).

              The D750 at ISO 100 has similar (even slightly higher?) dynamic range than the D810 at ISO 64. Due to it’s lower pixel count, it may also have a higher proportion of photo-sensitive area, and probably more efficient micro-lenses. For similar generation sensors, I would expect the lower pixel count D750 to always outperform the higher-resolution D810.

              Nikon probably used ISO 64 as the base specifically due to this–they needed a high maximum dynamic range.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36ab1195981a93c63d88d41c902ab35cff06f15d13d2004b5553ff39ea289532.png

            • Davo

              Yea I was thinking of the EM1 mkII more specifically in the higher ISO ranges. But I haven’t really read much into dual gain atm so don’t really understand the full benefits yet. But the XPro2’s not doing too bad for APS-C although some of that would be due to X-tran.
              I did take a closer look at Bill’s data on D750 and I have to say that surprises me. But he is very reputable so it is a very valid data point. The data from his source does vary from the one he derives from DXOmark slightly though with D810 being the champ there. And as for photo comparisons, in the Dpreview scene comparisons, to my eye D810 ISO 64 +6EV is doing better than D750 ISO 100 + 6EV.

            • silmasan

              I’m all for the 24mp/D750 sensor in a Df-like body! That’s been my wish too. (hopefully a bit smaller/thinner and with D750’s AF too)

            • Ric of The LBC

              D5 sensor in Df body

          • silmasan

            That 70-ish mp one would depend too much on Sony’s position today. My hunch is that it will show up in the “A9R” first. Another more popular guess is that there would be no high-margin D5X, keeping the D8xx line as it is, or that one of them would be repositioned to the mirrorless lineup.

    • peter w

      I think the present choice makes sense, the D5 being a forcefull workhorse with a normal megapixel count and focus on high iso for rough and fast outdoor work, like journalism.
      A much lighter alternative very fast, quite robust, but well, different and certainly much cheaper camera D500.
      And a high megapixel count camera to use mounted on a tripod, with high dynamic range at low iso and beautiful rendering for portraits, architecture, landscapes: D8x0. You don’t slam your high megapixel camera around, that would give bad pictures. But the camera can handle professional use.
      The high MP sensor is as usable when it costs 3500 euro in a D8x0, as when it costs euro in a D5x.

      Probably there is a lot against this?
      (If they think at Nikon they can make more money making a D5x instead of a D8x0, they certainly will).

      • silmasan

        “If they think at Nikon they can make more money making a D5x instead of a D8x0, they certainly will”

        That’s the point (of my concern…), if they are pushing higher margin products they might as well release a D5X before (or even instead of) a new D8x0. I personally would like the more affordable package.

  • Gilboa

    Two Nikon MILC models expected for late 2017 or 2018…I’m guessing one FX one DX using the same mount. Still I just want to see a D810 successor already! Come on Nikon, blow everyone away like you did when the original D800 series was released.

    • Davo

      I’m guessing one F-mount, one different mount.

    • docnorth

      Agreed. After their statement about mirrorless (top, not just competitive) it seems possible that Nikon could introduce at the same time DX and FX. And as I wrote few days ago Nikon could use mirrorless as an opportunity or an “excuse” to introduce a larger mount without massive reactions. I also hope (that’s my personal taste) they keep the bodies or at least some of them bigger than Sony FF.

  • Simonh2159

    I believe that Nikon will release a ff mirrorless in two versions like the d800 and 800e. Time frame for release does not matter.what they release does if it’s a brilliant camera it will sell and all will want one. Who wouldn’t turn down 100 mp mirrorless model. Maybe nikon has a new sensor supplier! Look at the semi conductor manufacturers whos doing what. Samsung is concentrating on the semiconductor sector now they well on the way to having there own Cpus there technology makes adds new ryzen Cpus what’s this got to do with sensors well everything. You see Samsung want to compete with Sony for its markets that includes imaging. Nikon have struck a deal with Samsung a couple of years back

    • MB

      Samsung has top notch sensors technology, including dual pixel AF … but they also use Sony sensors in their high end S6/7/8 phones …
      It is pretty expensive for Samsung to reconfigure CMOS production lines used to make their most profitable memory chips for low volume image sensors, and that is one of the reason Samsung stopped making cameras …
      On the other hand Sony had some serious investments in CMOS image sensors production, including buying Toshiba and Renesas plants … and they are sometimes subcontracting TSMC for increased demand, something that Samsung would not do because they are competing with TSMC in everything else including IPhone chips production …
      It seems it would be of great benefit for Nikon if they could use Samsung sensors but I doubt they could commit to volumes needed for Samsung to be interested in ,,,

      • Simonh2159

        Nikon lithography has taken hit from mostly ams in the Netherlands who are expanding in that area there quite a bit of compition in that sector and nikon have lost out a bit if they win the patent lawsuit against ams and ziess which they could do. Samsung are expanding into new areas even rumors that Samsung will leave the phone market in the near future. They have moved into semi conductor production architecture s being designed at present by Jim Keller the designer of Amd s ryzen. In a couple of years Samsung will be. Serious compition in the microchip area. Samsung have sensors for all sectors and Sony are Samsung s rivals. I believe nikon have a deal with Samsung for sensors manufacture and and lithography. Why because of there mirrorless cameras. Which needs cutting edge manufacturer. Sony bought renames and Toshiba senor plants because of this. Canon already use Samsung parts think nikon will do the same

  • Michiel953

    No Df successor?

    • Davo

      Maybe that’s the 100th anniversary product?

      • Michiel953

        That would be nice!

    • paige4o4

      Maybe that comes in a year or two, with the 60th anniversary of the original Nikon F.

  • maxx

    What to expect next from Nikon? Expect.

  • animalsbybarry

    If Nikon will have two differrent mirrorless models I have one of them will utilize the new rumored high res Sony sensor
    Current rumors vary from about 60-80 mp

    • I don’t think this will happen because there is no such sensor and I don’t believe this rumor. Here is a new rumor for you: in the next 1-10 years Sony will announce a new sensor with a 1-100MP resolution. You see, that was easy.

      • paige4o4

        Maybe they could buy one of canons prototype 100mp sensors…

        /s

      • animalsbybarry

        It is your own rumor that Nikon may be working on two differrent mirrorless cameras

        • We were not talking about that, we were talking about the 60-80MP sensor from Sony.

          • animalsbybarry

            The Sony A7Riii/A9R is likely to come out fairly soon
            This will answer the question of what the next high res Sony sensor will be

            • I will believe it when I see it.

  • Vincent Alongi

    I’m jumping from the D7200 to the D750 after a year+ of shooting. I’m ready to see what a full-frame camera will do for me… but I’m not willing to play the waiting game as the 750 has great reviews and word of mouth. After peppering some people who know more than I would on announcements and getting nowhere (they don’t have a crystal ball either), I’m pulling the trigger in the next week. I loved the 7200, I’m sure I’ll love the full-frame performance in the D750.

    I’ll roll the dice, play with the 750 for how long and take it as it comes with any future improvements by Nikon.

    • Kob12

      What specific features in the D750 made you switch? or is just for experimentation/curiousity?

      • Vincent Alongi

        Low light capabilities and the general benefits of a full frame sensor- dynamics range, better depth of field, etc.

        I fully realize a camera is only as good as the person using it, and I don’t know if anyone would be able to tell what camera / system / lens was used for any given shot not obvious with a fisheye or something specific that would render a certain look. While the 7200 (and models “below” it) can render unbelievable shots when used right, I knew one day I was heading for an upgrade.

        • nwcs

          Nikon thanks you for updating to an FX model. 🙂

          • Vincent Alongi

            Lol. I know they take a lot of heat (here, everywhere), I just don’t see it, or why. I get the lack of innovation, but is it an arms race or a tool for the medium? Are people not acheiving their photographic visions because of the camera, or their innability to learn the technology?

            • nwcs

              I think it’s partly the nature of fandom and partly the watercooler effect.

            • ZoetMB

              IMO, half the people crying for X have no intention of buying it. People just like to bitch and moan. It gives their ego a boost.

            • Vincent Alongi

              I’m starting to feel the same. All of these cameras are stellar these days.. 100mp? For what? The processing power needed for that would be nuts… Less tech, more artistic eye.

              The camera store people that earned my trust were the ones that told me the 7200 would be plenty of camera (for years to come) and that full-frame would be nice, but never really necessary. That was someone who earned money at weddings and other commissioned projects. I fully believe and understand that. I was told the glass is where your money is better spent at a certain point.

              I dunno. The 750 gets pretty good word of mouth and press… I’ll make the move and be happy, no doubt.

      • Maksim

        If I didn’t give up Nikon, I would have switched to FF myself:

        Partially I was attracted by FF look (thinner DoF – 35 mm lens would give me the look of 35mm, and not the 23mm).

        Partially because Nikon did not have high quality lightweight fast DX primes, which is part of their “FF push”.

        I traded FF advantages for smaller weight of Fuji. Sometimes I regret my choice and I wish for that extra bit of DoF. Other times I feel that even my Fuji bag is too heavy for me due to combined weight of fast glass. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7c3a13870c975178a0bea44861d1435089ead1a5de974d8ff508c0b037e9450.jpg

    • JXVo

      D750 and D7200 are near identical in terms of controls and features but D750 has slightly upgraded version of the same AF.

      Most important is going to be the lenses….and you’ll find that you get the equivalent of about a stop less depth of field on FX for the the same aperture and field of view. This was the biggest adjustment I had to make when I switched from DX to FX

      Also, the larger viewfinder image on FX bodies is much nicer to work with.

      • Vincent Alongi

        The body is almost identical in build and controls, yes. Last week I did a side-by-side at the camera shop and remember thinking it wouldn’t be an issue on learning a new body/controls.

        I’m anticipating the learning curve on exposure adjustments as I shoot manual. Also looking forward to better glass (at a price) as I build up a lens collection… but I’m more a fan of primes, and am going to keep it minimal. Perhaps a 24-70mm, and a wide angle lens.

    • Bart

      I’m actually at the exact same point as you at this moment. Only difference is, next to an upgrade, I will still use the D7200 as the second/backup camera.
      I am most likely ordering it from the German Amazon as they have just confirmed to me that the D750’s they have in stock, are not part of the recall announcement of last week.
      I think the investment is great though, an upgraded D750 will be a lot more expensive than the current D750 anyway. The price it’s at now, is absolutely fantastic for a camera like this

      • Vincent Alongi

        I’d have loved to hold onto the 7200, but it fetched me about half of the cost of the 750, so it made sense. I couldn’t rationalize having two bodies- but that’s me- others may be in a different boat. Perhaps one day down the line I’d pick up a spare DX body (sports- don’t forget the crop factor).

        Good luck, Bart. I’m looking forward to experimenting. I have an interest in the low-light capabilities, so I’m going to see how far I can push it.

    • Ric of The LBC

      The D750 will take fantastic photos if you let it.

  • animalsbybarry

    Nikon’s 100th anniversary represents a major milestone for Nikon
    The first large sensor mirrorless camera/cameras will also represent a major milestone for Nikon
    It would be really nice if Nikon could announce thier FF mirrorless on thier anniversary ( just hoping, not a prediction)

    • Tony

      As someone looking to update a heavily used D800 (mainly landscapes) in the not too distant future, I am keen to have some idea of the likely specifications of a FF mirrorless. The big question for me is how any FF mirrorless will compare functionally with a D820 (or whatever name it is), other than the obvious EVF/OVF difference. Will they be targeted at similar or completely different market segments? I guess I will just have to delay any purchasing decision until the situation is clearer (as long as my D800 keeps going).

      • JXVo

        The D810 improvements address your landscape requirements already….better balanced mirror, electronic front shutter ‘curtain’. Several other improvements too. You can feel that it doesn’t kick as much when you shoot.

        • Tony

          Sure, the D810 is definitely also an option, particularly if its price falls. On the other hand, firstly I naturally have some reluctance to buy an old model when there is a new (and presumably improved) D8x0 model available, and secondly the mirrorless option is also potentially interesting. The big unknown at the moment (apart from release date) is the market segment at which Nikon will pitch their initial FF mirrorless offering.
          Fortunately my D800 is still surviving, so hopefully I can wait until Nikon’s plans are clearer.

  • Gordon Hamilton

    My crystal ball tells me that Nikon will announce a serious APS-C mirrorless camera and some lenses for it on July 25th

    • that would be the surprise we are all waiting for

  • TinusVerdino

    Why introduce a mayor new model in the middle of summer when everybody on the northern hemisphere is away?

    • Captain Megaton

      Because fall follows summer and cameras go on sale about a month after the announcement.

      • TinusVerdino

        you expect the D820 to go on sale in September?

        • Captain Megaton

          you don’t?

        • C-M

          I don’t expect the D820 to Ship at all

    • nwcs

      It would just be the announcement. Availability is another question. And if it’s relatively quiet (no big show going on) they get a larger stage for a big announcement.

  • pami

    I think Nikon needs to come out with something no one has in the FX DX range… a modular mirrorless camera. One where you can change the sensor unit (it makes it much easier to realize without the mirror box, mirror and AF module).

    So instead of 3 different models you could just switch the module from high speed to high resolution or to something in between.

    A second mirrorless could be a DX maybe without the modularity.

    Just my guess.

    • nwcs

      Modularity is a big thing. Sensor is probably the hardest to swap out, though, and keep tight tolerances. But they could certainly do other aspects of the body or do a custom built to order like computer manufacturers. That would be modular without doing modular. But a big revolution would be if they made the firmware modular, extendable, and allow third party developers to add/modify behavior. That would solve a lot of problems.

    • peter w

      Don’t think that will be more affordable. Think along the lines of medium format.

      What are the main costs for a DSLR? I would think sensor unit, shutter mirror system and af-unit? If you cut out the shutter and mirror, the main cost would be the sensor. I think you could better save the vulerable enginenering cost of a changable sensor, and make 2 camera’s, like J1 and V1.

    • JXVo

      There is so much integration beyween the sensor, processor/s and storage/output devices that I doubt a modular system based purely on alternative sensor modules could be effective. It will cost more, the risks of software inconsistencies, the increased size of it, the complexity of assuring cleanliness and correct alignment (to with fractions of a micron) when installing – all these practicalities work against this desirable concept.

      Also, how would you persuade the accountants that its better to sell some additional parts than more whole camera bodies.

      Then, as the user in the field, will you really change modules in the back of your car mid-shoot when the subject changes. I ended up buying an additional body so I wouldn’t have to change lenses so often in dusty conditions on wildlife and birding trips.

    • Antonio

      There was already a attempt of a modular camera before that didn’t succeed (Ricoh GXR Modular Camera System)

      It was not exactly the option you suggest because the modules included more than the sensor+lens but if separating them would perhaps make things harder to align and work together, even not considering weather sealing, resistance under tough usage conditions and pricing.

    • paige4o4

      Like PhaseOne, Hasselblad, or Red. The main disadvantage I see however would be size and weight.

  • Chris Crowe

    Is there something to be guessed at from Thom Hogan changing the dates of his annual summer holiday?

    • nwcs

      Not really. He’s changed it up several times over the years.

    • T.I.M

      Who is Thom Hogan, does he works for Nikon?

      • ToastyFlake

        I think he’s a dwarf wrestler.

        • Allan

          Nikon already sells candy. It wouldn’t be much of a leap for it to sponsor wrestling.

    • Ric of The LBC

      That’s what I said!

  • Gerdy

    Nikon F7 – F serie very important for Nikon .

    • paige4o4

      But the F series is only 58 years old…

      • Gerdy

        Analog photographers do not buy the new E lenses.
        Because they don’t work on Nikon F6 camera.
        This has an effect on sales.

  • peter w

    Hey, I see that Nikon has a 32 F1,2 for their 1 system. Never looked at that. When will they bring out a 12/13mm F1,2? That would make a killer pocketable street set.

  • unimo36090

    keep developing sensors..right now 80-100megapixels cost double digit grands. the aim is to achieve the same quality for less the cost.

  • Nguyên Toét

    Who is thinking like me that there will be a secret camera such as D820x in july, 25th, 2017.
    It may have 100 mpx, 5fps ( 5.5fps in liveview), recording fullframe 4k video in 15 minutes (30 minutes with grip or in DX mode), 5-axis IS in body while in liveview, new battery, super weather sealing, new N-log, improve color balance and dynamic range for both still and video, some new Picture Control named Astro, Retro…, new AF and iso range for video, iso 50-5000000, wifi, NFC, Snapbrigde, duo XQD card slot, about 3800$( D820 may be 3350$) but no touch screen, no GPS, no tilting-screen, heavier than D810 and D820….yeah it seems like nikon loves number 5.

    • nwcs

      You are likely the only one thinking all of that. Especially the 100mp at 5fps at the price you envision.

    • unimo36090

      50-100mp at that price point i hope to see it soon but in reality it may take 5 or more years?

      • Nguyên Toét

        I know that is insane camera nowaday but how many people had thought about D800/E with 36mpx sensor until it came up….Nikon can make a big step again

        • Bob Thane

          100MP at 5 fps would require almost twice the processing power as the D5 – while it’d be nice, there’s no way it’s feasible right now.

          Remember, the D800 had less processing power than the D4 – while it was an impressive camera it wasn’t unbelievable.

          • Nguyên Toét

            ok, how do you think about D5x with these features is the secret camera for that 100th anniversary

            • Bob Thane

              That would be sweet, put it two processors, cooling system, could work in the bigger body. I don’t expect it, but it would be awesome.

        • paige4o4

          36mp was a 50% increase over the D3x. 100mp would be a 300% incense over the D810. It’s crazy to suggest that. Just say they should release a +50mp camera, so they can take back the title of highest megapixel FF camera.

          No need to be greedy asking to compete with the Hasselblad or PhaseOne, which cost literally 10x more.

    • Nguyên Toét

      I know that was insane camera nowaday but how many people had thought about D800/E with 36mpx sensor until it came up….Nikon can make a big step again

    • paige4o4

      N-log should come as a firmware update to D5 and D500.

      • Nguyên Toét

        the d810 replacement should have that

        • paige4o4

          Every model /should/ have N-log. But from nikons perspective (or any tech company), they love to hold back software features, so you have to buy the new hardware to access it.

          But for the most recent cameras (D5/D500) they really have neither a technical excuse (they already have the latest processors), nor marketing excuse (would be seen as a giant FU to pro customers).

  • jason

    Nikon is raising the price on the P900 going up $100 August 1st, and Nikon is not honoring backorders either. Seems odd if they are replacing it soon.

    • Antonio

      It seems it became quite fashionable to condemn and blame Nikon about this, that and whatever…unfortunately price rises in the photographic hardware is neuter news nor the privilege of just one manufacturer.
      And when it comes to honoring backorders you shall check well before deciding who is the guilty one – the manufacturer or the retailer as you are not putting the backorder directly to Nikon and you don’t know if the retailer is accepting backorders only for the number of goods they have a firm buying contract or just collecting customers orders until get the volume to buy from their supplier.

  • Oz Baz

    The DF2 looks like it is a non starter unless they make a retro style FF mirrorless with F mount in the style of the Fuji XT2 and call that the DF2

  • Oz Baz

    I am still hanging out for a limited 100th anniversary edition remake of a classic Nikon film camera like they did in the early 2000s when they remade the Nikon rangefinders s3 and sp.

    • ZoetMB

      Nikon lost money on all those. That’s why the announced 100th anniversary cameras/lenses are just paint and logo. Nothing else is coming like that.

      • Oz Baz

        Unfortunately I suspect you are reading the situation accurately

    • Really? Nikon needs to prioritize and prepare for products that are important for their future. They can’t do everything at the same time. The camera business is not fun anymore – Nikon needs a serious answer against the competition of mirrorless systems.

      • Oz Baz

        You are of course completely correct. Nikon had money to waste on such projects back then. Now it really needs to focus on the future

  • Whether or not Nikon releases a mirrorless camera now is all about money and marketing hype. Sony cameras are not durable, G master lenses are monstrous huge, and I despise focus by wire. The only real advantage of a camera like the A9 is the silent electronic shutter and no viewfinder blackout. As a photographer and traveler, I would like to see a Df2 with a little more resolution and improved autofocus.

  • EnPassant

    A D820 with only the expected updates like a sensor with more MP (46?) and 4K video would, although great for some, be unexciting. Especially as it is the 100th anniversy for Nikon
    To shake up the camera world and celebrate in style something new would be needed.

    The first DSLR with a hybrid finder, not only having an optical view but an electronic viewfinder with the mirror up when in mirrorless mode would really be something to present to the world.
    If it also got 10fps (at least in mirrorless mode), or a sibling model with the D5 sensor or something similar, the baby D5 or true D700 replacement then the enthusiasm among people in the camera world, especially Nikon users of course, would register on the Richter scale!

    • JXVo

      A hybrid OVF with translucent EVF overlay that can display focus peaking and/or exposure info would get me excited.

  • unimo36090

    seems like folks here on nikonrumors are more calmer than in dpreview on the new nikon mirrorless,they’re having a meltdown. lets try to organize our thoughts and be a team. lets try to segmentize the market/product range. i want to see a $1.5-2k ff mirrorless if thats technically sound/developmentally doable from an engineering/price point of view. our eyes are still superior i dont think ovf will not go away,especially for precision needs. there might be a mix/combining ovf and evf technologies in the future. who know’s what developments will bring? as long as nikon gets their business right. people will have jobs and be happy. let’s just be patient.

    • Allan

      “let’s just be patient.”

      Are you willing to share your tranquilizers with the rest of us?

      • peter w

        Lychees will not work for this dissease. Doesn’t Alka-Seltzer have something at hand?

        I would have liked to take this possible new camera with me during what will hopefully be the journey of my life, the plains of East Africa… Thus, it shall not be.

        Instead of the new one as main camera, I’ll take my dear D300 as second. The one which made me so extremely happy in 2008. Probably I’ld get great pictures in Serengetti with the Nikkormat I found at the waste separation station last year.

        The best way to get your mind to rest about new gear, is using the gear you have. (Who said that?)

        • Michiel953

          Who said that? Churchill? No, you.

          (Layer Cake)

          • peter w

            Ah, I don’t know about Churchill, but you may quote me… 😉

  • localmile

    300 f/2.8 FL?

  • JXVo

    Read into it what you will…in my country the Nikon distributor is offering 100th Anniversary special offers from 26th to 28th July via popular local on-line retailers of :
    D610 (30% off normal list price)
    D750 (20% off)
    D810 (25% off)
    24-120 f4G VR (20%off)

    These are the lowest prices I’ve seen locally for non-grey imports with warranty support. I wonder if they are clearing stock for a new FX announcement…

    • Allan

      What country?

      • JXVo

        South Africa

    • KnightPhoto

      Sounds promising. New stuff coming I hope

      Locally we had a Nikon Rep come thru, I always go down to see him, nice young man. To my surprise they had some kickass deals on the 70-200E ($500 Canbucks off) and 105 f/1.4 ($200 off IIRC). And deals on cameras too. I wasn’t expecting that but next time he swings thru (about twice a year) I’ll try and be ready in advance. Great rep, he once loaned me a 600E for a whole weekend for trial (loved it BTW but haven’t pulled the pin yet),

      Also got to try out the new 8-15, 10-20, and 28.

  • JXVo

    Hi Peter
    No more news?
    4 sleeps to the 100th Anniversary
    There must be something.
    Come on….you’re killing us here!

  • Keith Canisius Baerken

    Df2 ?

  • kaptink

    MP is marketing BS. 99+% of people will never really need more than about 20. Good photography isn’t about resolution.

    • Markus

      Good thing then that I’m the 1% and actually need the mp for my commercial work and clients. I’d just prefer to stay with Nikon and not having to buy into a new system. But carry on internet soldier, carry on…

      • kaptink

        Yep, good for you buddy. Why do you think I said 99%? There is perhaps a need for high resolution sometimes, but it’s mostly for security and miltiary applications. I’d argue 36MP is rarely required even for commercial work (i.e. 1%) so I’d love to discuss with you why and, if high resolution means so much to you, your commercial work and your clients you haven’t gone med format Yeah, I know, you’re bought into Nikon f-mount. But if you were serious surely you’d sell it all and move to MF?

        There are posters on billboards in London as big as you like with shots taken by iPhones. No-one ever, ever, except photog geeks, pixel peeps or gets excited about resolution when looking at a photo. When was the last time anyone in an exhibition walked up close to a picture and uttered “Yeah, but it would have been even better with higher resolution.”? or made a buying decision because a photo they saw was at 36MP+ instead of 20 or 24 or even 12?

        MP is marketing BS. Dynamic range and low-light performance are much more important considerations. I shoot a 12MP D300s, 12MP D700, 12MP M4/3 Lumix and 35mm film. The 810 is of no interest to me as a replacement for the 700 and the rumoured 46MP of the 820 and files that will be close to 100MB each is laughable. Quite why you appear to think you’d need to spend money to go up from 36MP is utterly beyond me.

        I’d consider upgrading if Nikon produced a genuine D700 replacement, if it was in the 20-24MP range but that would be for the improved sensor performance three or four generations on from the D700 and not the MP. I guess that’s just me and how I shoot. But I dare say what I do is quite similar to the 99%.

        • MKinMKE

          Always liked people like you who come on this forum and brag about their capabilities (“.. I shoot… 35mm film..”) , their equipment and how they do more with less. That is your choice and only yours… And we respect it. Now, respect other people’s decisions or opinions and stop lecturing us.

          • kaptink

            Not bragging, anticipating a question, in case anyone was curious about what I choose to shoot with. Why would shooting with film be bragging? The main reason for putting my 1980 SLR back into active service was to improve my skills. I strongly recommend any DSLR user to do the same to rely more on getting it right first time and to give yourself fewer images to chew through after a shoot when you do shoot digitally. Nowhere do I ‘brag’ that I do more with less; I merely opine that a further reduction in pixel pitch on a full-frame sensor is not necessarily worthwhile or beneficial. Actually, I opine that it’s not at all worthwhile or beneficial, you’re right.

            You and Markus and anyone else are also free to believe what you will about MP; I believe it’s marketing bllx and I’m expressing an opinion. You can take it as lecturing if you want. Or you can take it as bllx if you want. You don’t have to read it or heed it. And I believe Markus is wasting his hard-earned following a false promise if he wants to shell out for the hypothetical 46MP of a hypothetical D820, so I’m trying to do him a favour. I don’t have a D750 like he does but, from what I’ve seen and read, the 750’s sensor is one of the best out there. And I also believe that’s not unrelated to the fact that it has ‘only’ 24MP.

            I’m not trying to be clever, superior, offensive or boastful. I just like to speak directly because over the years I’ve found that’s best. I’m also quite passionate about photography.

            And I’m pleased to read that you ‘always liked’ folk like me putting in a lecturing appearance :0)

            Peace and out.

            • MKinMKE

              “I’m not trying to be clever, superior, offensive or boastful” why trying when you already are?

            • kaptink

              Yes, you appear to be too stupid for a grown-up conversation. Bye then.

  • That article is about a lens for curved sensor. Although to be truthful, nikon may have been working on a different method of making a curved sensor. We haven’t got any confirmation about it to date.

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