Nikon D810 replacement rumored to be announced on July 25


The Nikon D810 replacement is rumored to be announced on July 25 - on the exact day of Nikon's 100th anniversary.

I still cannot confirm this date because Nikon will definitely have a press release on that day and one can easily mistake a press release for a new product announcement.

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  • maxx

    Sure (at this point)?

    • Jim

      I think Admin says “rumoured” intentionally.. who knows

  • JJ168

    I wonder if nikon will surprise us again with the sensor in the new body. The d800 sensor was a game changer and still is.
    The rest of the specs are quite predictable.

    • Glen

      Thom Hogan did mention a sensor surprise a while ago so hopefully it’ll be something exciting. A scaled up D500 sensor is not going to entice me to upgrade.

      • Andy Hayes

        As a D800 owner, it sure as hell would entice me.

        45mp and still with improved high ISO over the D810? I don’t see what more you could ask for.

        BTW, 45mp scales into both DCI 4k and UHD 4k quite nicely with very minimal cropping – if video is your thing, I’d speculate the footage out of this will be quite sharp.

      • sickheadache

        I was told it is not 72mp. or even 54mp….but a 46mp…which is that Sony’s A7rll …pumped up 42mp….

        • paige4o4

          46mo makes sense because it’s just larger cut of the D500 sensor.

          • cBBp

            Well then I certainly don’t want it. Pixel proliferation is madness. I’d rather better Dr and noise

      • Ric of The LBC

        Noticed how he took his summer hiatus early this year

    • Spy Black

      If the dual card format rumor is correct, it will be a damper on what could otherwise be a great camera. Make it dual XQD or dual SD, I don’t care. Just don’t make it dual format.

      • Allen_Wentz

        I found a workaround with the D500 that works OK. I do all my work NEF+JPG using the much faster XQD card and the SD card just sits there as backup. If I need max performance without real-time backup I just pull the SD card.

        • Spy Black

          Yes but if you need redundant RAW you’re fucked. I don’t need to spray and pray, so I don’t need to spend for an overpriced dead-end format. Neither one of us wins.

          • Allen_Wentz

            No, I am not fucked. If I shoot a wedding or any other project that needs real time backup I just know not to push the D500 to max. performance capacity overloading the SD slot.

            The D500 is still very, very good with NEF+Fine to both slots when fastest XQD and SD are used; better than any other Nikon except the D5.

            “Spray and pray” is ignorant commentary when applied to a tool like the D500. I am guessing you do not own one.

            And as to overpriced, why are you saying that? You have seen the posted B&H prices with faster XQD CHEAPER than SD UHS-II in 64 GB and above sizes. In a 46 MP camera, especially one that includes video, one wants fast 64 GB and larger cards. The premise of using old slow cheap SD cards makes no sense.

            XQD is not dead end and never will be until replaced by some newer, faster card (for sure not slower SD).

            • Aldo

              You have to understand the crowd here… people who shoot two or three pictures of the cat and occasional photography will never understand the NEED to back up paid work like a wedding. They can also live 5 life times and will never see a card fail.

            • Allan

              I don’t shoot for a livelihood but I understand the need to back up paid work or any work. “Never” is a strong word.

            • Allan

              ..

          • bobgrant

            You people crack me up! Card failure is VERY rare and pro’s shot for YEARS without it and YEARS with dodgy film stocks. But now, suddenly, you can’t do a job without dual slots because one slot is gonna fail? Do you also worry about a terrorist attack even though the chance of getting killed by a terrorist is one in three BILLION? Virtually everything ELSE is more likely to fail than a memory card. Like other professionals I know and work with, I replace my cards yearly and keep them well stored. We never ever have failures.

            • Why do you replace your cards yearly?

            • Maybe he’s buying lower performance cards and upgrades every year to gain speed at a better price point. I’ve always gotten Sandisk ExtremePro cards and they are fine for a few years. I have 3 that I juggle between, all at 32GB with my D4S. Honestly, I never run out of room because I’m always editing and cleaning off the cards.

              In 14 years at my current job, I’ve never had a card failure. Used to use Lexar and switched to Sandisk about 9 years ago. I did have one card act wonky and taking a long time to be recognized by the computer once, so I replaced it once I got the pics off of it. But I still use that card from time to time and it’s fine. So it could have been the computer. Before that, also never had a card failure, but worked with a photographer who did once. It’s so rare. The CF cards are just bulletproof as long as you use them with common sense.

            • “Maybe he’s buying lower performance cards and upgrades every year to gain speed at a better price point.”
              Do you really think so?
              I have had 2 card failures in my 24 years of pro career. Both SD cards. But to be truthful, they didn’t occur because of the card-camera problems, but due to card reader(Sandisk). And they too can still be used.

            • Not really, just being nice to the guy. I think replacing cards is probably unnecessary unless they are just slow. But I use CF. I’d probably replace SD cards as they seem so delicate to me. I’ll probably start using XQD once I get my new computer.

            • dabug91

              Paranoia. There’s no need to replace cards yearly. At all.

            • You should read the post that I replied to for a good laugh.

            • Mine? Don’t be a jerk dude.

            • You mistakenly took it to be your post. I meant the original post that I replied to.

            • Eric Duminil

              With dual slots, it’s much easier to always have backups of every picture directly after they’ve been shot. Card failures don’t happen often, but robbery or assistant screw-ups are much more likely.

            • Spy Black

              Personal decision not to shoot redundant. Yes cards today are very reliable, and yes the odds are very small. So it’s your call.

            • dabug91

              XQD isn’t a dead-end format. Only an ignorant whack job would think so.

            • Aldo

              Do you buy insurance? you do know accidents are rare right? why bother. I sit around and laugh at everyone who buys insurance. It’s wasted money. I am the safest driver and I am a superior human who is immune to cancer. I think I’m immortal but I’m too scared to find out.

            • bobgrant

              I buy insurance for my cars because accidents are COMMON. Same for the boat. But I don’t get silly over highly unlikely things…like bad memory cards, terrorists or shark attacks. It’s FAR more likely that BOTH of my cameras will fail than any of the memory cards. Should I carry a 3rd camera on a job? Maybe I should bring five? Look, extra memory slot is fine, but people acting like it’s a “must have” feature is just silly. If I stressed over such minutia I’d be a lousy shooter to be sure….as most are.

            • Aldo

              Disagree. Why is having an extra slot stressful? It makes no sense. It’s exactly the opposite. It’s a ‘set it and forget it’ type of deal.

            • ITN

              Of course you should also have backup equipment in case something fails. In my experience memory cards with exposed contacts and soft housings fail quite commonly, say once in a hundred thousand shots. Although I’ve had several memory card failures, I’ve never experienced camera failure to take shots if the battery is charged. And yes I bring several backup solutions to a job, and three cameras is entirely rational (if one camera fails, you still need a backup that works in addition to the primary).

          • VanHoff

            You have 9999 votes, I’ll give you the vote number 10.000.

  • doge

    Dog days of summer.

    • Ric of The LBC

      agree. Go Dodgers!

  • Alex Ionas

    Sounds good and relates to the president of Nikon France’s interview. Wonder if it will be the only announcement? any D760 rumors on the way?

    • Aldo

      Yes it will be everything the d820 is not and cheaper.

      • Bob Thane

        Mirrorless D760 confirmed.

  • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

    I here a lot of people don’t want or need more megapixels. The D800 is about megapixels, for everyone else there are D5, D750, Df, D610…
    The D8XX series should only be for people that want megapixels. I wanted at least 50mp, 72mp would have been amazing; I’ll have to settle for 46mp.

    • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

      Actually, 100th year anniversary should really bring 100mp.

      • Delmar Mineard Jr

        That is a good one….it won’t happen but a good comment.

        • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

          Never say never:
          “Canon has created a 250-megapixel CMOS camera sensor. The sensor, which is APS-H size (29×20mm)”

          • Yeah, but look at the pixel pitch. Anyone can make huge file sizes for some stupid megapixel war. You can make a cell phone camera sensor with 45 MP but the quality is still crap. The numbers don’t matter as much as the quality of the sensor which is where Nikon shines. If you can’t make 36MP work for your final output then something could be wrong with your workflow.

            • Andrew

              Also most of the more expensive lenses resolve images up to 28 megapixels. I would love to see what lenses go beyond 28 MP and how much they cost 🙂

            • Not sure how that number is reached. Do you have a source? I’d be interested to read about that.

              But along those lines, people complained about expensive glass not being good enough for the D800 sensor back in the day. Yet, final printing and view distances usually conspire to not reveal those “defects” that were previously invisible with the worse sensor (as long as you’re not doing a severe crop). I’m all for getting larger dynamic range and higher resolution, but there’s a reason I shoot with a D4S and not a D810, and that’s camera speed and storage needs over time. For me, dynamic range is the most important factor at this point along with better video quality.

            • Andrew

              Here is a list of some Nikon lenses for high resolution image sensors (see link below). Then search the lens at DxOMark to determine their Mpix rating for the lens. Some folks do not realize that some lenses rate at only 12 M-pix or less while others rate at 27 M-pix and higher.

              For example, the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G lens has a DxOMark 27 M-pix rating.

              References:
              1. DxOMark: https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikon-AF-S-NIKKOR-85mm-F18G

              2. Some Nikon lenses for high resolution sensors: https://www.lightandmatter.org/2013/lens-recommendations/best-nikon-lenses-for-high-resolution-sensors/

      • raziel28

        diffraction would kill it…
        regards

        • Art

          Not true at all. If you took the pixel density of a standard cell phone camera and used the same pixel density for a full frame camera, your sensor would give you 162MP. I don’t see cell phone cameras failing due to diffraction.

          • CERO

            Its not about “failing”. It will lower the quality a lot. Also you do not see this much on phone cameras because they apply craploads of filters to embellish and fix the images their sensor take.

          • It is not as simple as that to upscale the sensor . That is the reason why Nikon took so much time to make Fx digital even after 2 generations of Dx cameras.

            • PhilK

              I think that was mostly down to production efficiencies, not technology per-se. The cost of producing an FF sensor at the time was just very high and would make the final product cost-prohibitive.

            • That is one reason but not only. I had read an article(maybe in NR, maybe somewhere else) which explained why it was so. It was about 3 years ago and I don’t remember the details now. Maybe those reasons are no longer valid.

            • PhilK

              Well most of the reasons for sensor production decisions in 2007 are no longer valid now. 😉

              But IIRC you can only get about 8 FF sensors out of an 8″ silicon wafer which was the common size at the time, and costs of production then being what they were this mean the cost of a FF sensor was high.

              Among various other things (principle among them the cost of producing silicon patterns at a given node size going down precipitously over time), 12″ silicon wafers are now common I believe.

              OTOH, Canon was producing the FF 11MP EOS-1Ds in 2002.

              The advantages of having your own sensor fab..

              The breakthrough on the D3/D700 was the sensor sensitivity. Nikon wasn’t the first with FF but they definitely leapfrogged Canon in ISO/Noise performance, a major reason why that generation was a turning-point for them.

    • TwoStrayCats

      I haven’t seen any specifications on the sensor – at least from Nikon. How are you so sure it will be 46?

      • Mike A

        Because that’s what the D500 sensor scales to (DX to FX)…

        • Actually, no–just did the math and it’s a touch over 50mp if extended to 36mmx24mm. Except that’s almost never how sensors are made. Almost.

          • br0xibear

            I was under the impression the number was 48, but the rumour consensus seems to be 46.
            Oh well, we’ll find out in a few weeks.
            If it has XQD then there’s no compatability with the new CFexpress cards, even though the connectors and size match. I had that confirmed to me by Delkin (Delkin are the only one’s to announce a CFexpress card so far).

            • Aldo

              it will be 36×2 = 72mp!

          • Peter

            Total number of pixels = 21,51 MP, effective resolution of sensor = 20,9 MP. Multiplied by factor 2,25 (1,5×1,5) results in 48.3975 MP / 47.025 MP

            Something wrong with my calculation? Becaus of different masking of the FX sensor 46MP seems a fair assumption for the upscaled DX sensor of the D500.

            • I just opened a D500 file in PS, sized it to the stated specs of the sensor (23.5mmx15.7mm) then expanded the canvas to 24x36mm. I understand that sensors are often shorter in one or more dimensions than a nominal 24×36, but there was room to chop a little either way and still come out over 50mp. It would have to be a lot off to be 46.

              Now, there may be a reliable source for that 46 figure, but it’s not from extending the D500 sensor at the same pitch. Both because of these numbers, and also that’s just bot how sensors are usually designed.

            • CERO

              from 50 to 46 could be pretty much yield issues.
              They can cut down areas around the center that are defective and thus save the sensor.

            • 24×36

              Yes there is; the true “factor” is not exactly 1.5 (think it’s more like 1.54x), but there’s a more precise way:

              D500 sensor = 23.5mm x 15.7mm = 368.95 sq mm
              D820 sensor (assuming same as D810) = 24mm x 35.9mm = 861.6 sq mm

              861.6/368.95 x 20.9 = 48.807 effective MP if same pixel pitch is used.

        • Do sensors scale like this without any technical consequences that are difficult/expensive to overcome? I am doubtful as it seems like an overly simplistic explanation for something to “just work” if you just “make it bigger”. At some point, there are thermal considerations and information lane problems to overcome, all of which make the camera more expensive or too large/heavy. The D810 camera is in an interesting market position as it’s half the price of a flagship, less buttons, less materials needed for the body, very different sensor and different throughput considerations for the image data and hence must less needed for those high fps numbers and support internals.

          The D800/810 has always seemed to me to be a mini-flagship, like the Porsche Cayman. It could obliterate the 911, but they throttle it to a keep the 911 on top. But it’s not that simple with DSLRs. So maybe you see my point that simply “upscaling” a current sensor may not be a realistic way of looking at things. It might just not be possible and there might be marketing considerations for not doing that.

          If they could have made the D5 flagship with the sensor of a D810, wouldn’t they do that? Or would it be too expensive or too heavy and large? I know market position has a lot to do with how lower-end cameras are spec’d out, but for a flagship, I’m thinking if they could do something, they would in order to lead the market. But Nikon also has to make sure they don’t overextend themselves and put themselves out of business by releasing a product that is unrealistic for consumers. And right now, they are in a pickle because the D810 is such a good camera that any replacement will have to be DAMN good to get people to upgrade. It will have to be good enough to make the D810 worth much less than it is now.

          Of course, none of what I’ve said here is true or false, it’s simply what I know.

      • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

        I’m not, it’s just what most people are saying.

      • Allan

        46 comes from Peter (with the excellent track record).

    • CrashingOut

      I’m an aerial photographer. Never enough megapixels, and anyone who tells me otherwise is a sure fool. For mapping, surveying, production and many other uses, high MP is a reason for being, not a detriment.

      • Thylmuc
      • Eric Duminil

        Sure. And nobody else is allowed any other need?

        • CERO

          Then you buy another model specified for what you need.

          Also, just because you do not want high MP, doesn’t means someone else wont want high MP.

      • MP doesn’t live in a vacuum. The larger the raster size, the more the camera has to work to transfer it to the buffer and then the card. This slows the camera down and heats it up which requires better heat venting or larger heat sinks and a heavier camera. So you say the larger the better, but really what you need is an ideal balance between camera weight (for your drone), camera speed and megapixel count. You could be shooting with Red cameras to get much larger raster sizes but then you need even larger or more powerful drones which jump significantly in price.

        Whatever happens with the new D820, I hope they significantly rework their video settings. They really need to step up to 4k60 and 1080p@240fps. This would put them directly competing with Canon and others who are shaming Nikon on the video front.

    • I agree. If it less than 46mp then I’m probably out unless it has even better dynamic range. Of course the next issue is whether to buy it when it first comes out since Nikon has had problems with quality control on some of their other models. I know because I’ve owned them. The D810 was good only because they made all their mistakes on the D800.

      • Andrew

        No quality control problem with their last four camera models: D7200, D5, D500, and D7500. Not even with their ambitious P900 83x Optical Zoom camera. Or even their recent D5000 and D3000 series cameras or mirrorless Nikon 1 J5 camera or Df camera. The other camera manufacturers have had their problems as can happen in any engineering project. But Nikon has had a good track record the past few years.

        • CERO

          D500 actually had issues with their compartments if I remember correctly (plastic falling off in the battery area).

          And the battery issue (where the D500 took way too much power from the battery and pretty much shutdowns and freezes)

          Other than that, yah. No physical issues (unlike the D750 which was the newest one with heavy issues)

        • Ric of The LBC

          or the Df

        • Abhinav

          P900 has quality issue related to cracks near tripod mount.

          • Andrew

            No such issue to my knowledge. Can you point me to a Nikon service advisory?

            • Abhinav

              Forget that. …See number of groups around with P900 .

    • Hans J

      Thats why I wish they would make 3 bodies
      D820H 70+mp
      D820M 46 mp.
      D820L 30 mp
      Because I refuse to use cameras like the D750, Df, D610.. and the D5 is all about speed which I don’t need.
      I want pro gear.

      • Proto

        Nikon’s centennial surprise: D-HANS. Your camera, your spec. : )

        • Hans J

          I wand the 46mp one with duel sd slots. 5fps is plenty for me.

          • Proto

            Me too. I could use 36mp plus all D5 features.

            • Hans J

              Maybe in the next 10 years.

          • Try shooting any sports at 5fps and you’ll throw your camera into the ocean.

            • Hans J

              The D500 & D5 is there for you.

            • Why would you shoot sports with a D810/D800 or their successor? You can, but why would you? I can see a number of cameras much better suited to it (the Dx cameras, D500, D750, etc.)

      • sickheadache

        but the tech is there…in one sensor…so why would I need 3 different cameras…when in real life…even the D810 MP can be decreased in size…U wanna think that one through again. lol

        • Hans J

          I think you are mistaken. Almost like what Canon is doing with their 5D line, same body 5dsr hi MP and mark IV 30 mp, and they still sell the mark iii 23 mp.

          • sickheadache

            Hey u…u don’t need 3 different bodies if your own camera can decrease the MP Size…Right?

            • Hans J

              no no no because the smaller MP bodies would have more FPS, and they would have different sensors. Like I hate shooting with the 5dsr but love the mark iii and iv

            • No no no because Sony have shown with the A99ii that it need not be so few pixels to have speed.

            • Hans J

              Oh wow, you are right!

            • Eric Duminil

              You can only decrease the MP size with JPG or shitty sRAW which isn’t really RAW.

            • Proto

              yes, downsizing MP always loses data. Best to have full sensor MP use, but the sensor is not a gorilla 100mp. 36MP with D5 specs is my preferrence : )

      • Wow, imagine 3 different sensor modules that could be user swap-able. Swap it out of the bottom plate of the body similar to swapping out an SD card on the side of the body.

        • Hans J

          YES amazing idea.

        • PhilK

          Sure, buy a Hasselblad.

    • Aldo

      I don’t think really know what 100mp means in real world photography. I do hope people get what they want so that they go out and buy the d820. lots of them… I want nikon to stay afloat

      • Proto

        100mp In real world means broken hard drive, slower workflow, more expense on processing peripherals than you want to, and perhaps a useful zoom into a tiger’s eye via cropping i.e. I would love D5 in D850 at 3K

        • paige4o4

          Well I’m already merging 100mp panoramas without problem on my *iPad*. It’s really not as dramatic as you suggest, unless you’re shooting 1k images a day for weddings and events.

          • Proto

            yes, I shoot wedding and events. Hence the complaint with MP inflation. If one is taking few pics, 100mp is likely fine – although I doubt if that many pixels in same sensor size offers substantial gain. i would rather have other improvements like cleaner high ISO, color accuracy, more AF points, AF metering accuracy, radio flash control, etc…

        • CERO

          storage is cheaper than ever. With the advent of AMD Ryzen and Intel new multicore cpus.. Pretty sure that processing images and videos wont be an issue.

          • Proto

            but, i dont want to buy new peripherals to support my camera, no matter how cheap they are (and its never cheap – it easily 2-3K out of pocket at a minimum – and add that to camera cost)

            • CERO

              What new peripherals? Besides, computers advance way faster than cameras. You will probably change computers, hard disks or even a car before you change most of the things related to cameras.
              Unless.. of course.. if you suffer G.A.S.

          • Aldo

            It isnt just storage. Motion blur is a pita with so many pixels cramped in a 35mm sensor. A true enemy of the mobile photographer

            • CERO

              I dont think the D8XX is designed for a “mobile photographer” like a street one.
              D8XX has been mainly used for portraiture and landscapes.

        • Aldo

          and a 1/500 min handheld shutter speed to ‘maybe’ get a sharp photo using prime lenses.

    • Andrew

      You want to manage megapixels with high ISO performance which the D810 does very well. Pushing too far above 46MP would crimp the camera’s low light image quality.

      • paige4o4

        Low light image quality is also not a priority for this camera. That’s what the D5 (et al.) is for. IMO, they should cram as many pixels as they can without hurting base ISO dynamic range.

        • Andrew

          Low light image quality is always important for any camera or else you are limited to the range of lighting situations you can work in as picture quality would start degrading precipitously. In fact with camera design, megapixels (resolution) and ISO (lighting vis-a-vis image quality) is one of the big trade-offs. A one horse pony (“one-trick”) type of a camera is no longer desirable for most people. Or it is like saying that all you need is a D610, who cares about AF in low light environments, after all I am a studio photographer.

          Likewise, higher megapixel affects frame rate. Again you can say who needs 5 fps, give me all the megapixels and 1 fps (frames per second) is sufficient.

          The D820 needs to be a versatile camera, one you can use in all weather situations including indoor environments. Otherwise you will get sharp grainy pictures which equates to image blur.

          The D810 at 36 MP gives you a 300 dpi print size of 24″ x 16″. That is, you see no visible pixels or dots in your image at a distance of a few inches for an excellent image quality. Now your lenses need to support this high resolution!

          And yes, 46 MP is great for cropping your image so that you can zoom in on portions of it with amazing resolution, but let us not get carried away thinking or demanding every increasing megapixels for greater and greater crop factors. Your storage requirements is another consideration and larger memory space would subsequently be needed.

          • paige4o4

            > The D820 needs to be a versatile camera

            This is where I disagree with you. The D800 has taken a more niche roll, while the D750 is the “jack of all trades, master of none” camera, and the D5 is the Lord Of Darkness. Like the Canon 5Ds and the Sony A7r, this camera is the one that should prioritize image quality above all else, even low light performance. It’s not a one trick pony any more than the D5 is.

            Also, correction: “Low light image quality is always important for any camera [if] you are limited to the range of lighting situations you can work in…” the D8X0 line is optimized for those who are are not limited by their lighting (e.g. studio and landscape photographers). No other Nikon camera fits this specialized role, but Nikon does need a product to fill that market niche, otherwise Sony, canon (and even Fuji) will eat their lunch.

          • Agree completely. And people talk about cropping like it’s a consequence free activity. Try cropping a 14mm image off center and you’ll see some psychologically screwy images that won’t look quite right. I hope Nikon knocks it out of the park with the D820. Or, I hope the price of extra inventory D810s drops to $1995 so I can get one for personal use.

    • But there’s a problem with choosing other bodies just to be in favor of lower MP.

      D5 – Expensive and base ISO dynamic range is bad compared to D810.
      D750 – Say what you want, but it still like an entry level full frame to me.
      Df – it’s a bit limiting. The camera is actually designed for people who’s looking for the classic SLR experience.
      D610 – A true entry-level DSLR. It’s just not as good as the others.

      People are demanding for a D700 replacement. Back then, it was like a mini D3.
      I want how the D810 feels like in the hands. Rugged and ergonomic. It’s like asking for Nikon to make a 5DM3. Though, don’t get me wrong. The 36MP is an absolute beauty, but I hope Nikon makes a “sports” version of the D810

      • Eric Duminil

        D750 entry is a level full frame? Why on earth would you say that? It has more feature and better image quality than any pro body from only a few years ago.

        • Vocko

          It’s normal to have more features it’s 2017., not 2009. It would be crap if it didn’t, but compared to a D500 it feels like a toy, compared to D8x0 feels like a toy. D750 is just an upgraded D6x0 series always been and always will be. Never anything more or less.

          • ToastyFlake

            The 810 also feels like a toy compared to the d500 and the d5.

        • The image quality, yes it is amazing. But the way the camera was designed were not meant to be in line with the D810 (even the D700).
          Nikon has produced the camera for advanced photographer who want to step up their game from DX or the D610.

          Button layout is “simple” like the D7200 or D610. Not constructed with full magnesium alloy. Shooting mode dial made “easier” for people to use it. Even shutter speed doesn’t reach 1/8000 (not that you are gonna use it that much, but still).
          You are in denial if you think the D750 is on par with the design and construction of a D810.

          • Eric Duminil

            All true. But I consider the D750 construction to be “good enough”, even for pro needs.

            Also, U1 & U2, higher FPS and tilting LCD are more important to me than 1/8000s.
            Finally, I do not need or want 36MP.

            • Uhm.. I was saying. People need a lower MP D810 version.

            • Nikkor300f4VR

              Agree. Well said, Sir!

    • Hans98Ko

      And I am willing to go all the way to ~290-300 MPixel for FX that is truly equivalent to 135 film as research done by Fujifilm and possibly Kodak many years back when digital imaging first started.
      Why such a high MP? Because film emulsions and grains overlap are quite random and not fixed as digital pixels, therefore generating a lot more possible combinations.

      • 24×36

        I’m willing to go there too, but not because of any illusion that “film” (as in, film of (at LEAST) “medium” speed actually usable for moving subjects, say ISO 200, not some “specialty” low ISO film useless for anything but landscapes on windless days) has that much resolving power.

        My old standby, Kodachrome 200, was outdone by even “less than half frame” APS-C DSLRs once they hit 10-12MP, much less FF DSLRs. Film grain simply smothers fine detail.

        • Hans98Ko

          What I meant when I said I am willing to go up to ~290-300 MP for FX is that when we enlarge the prints to a certain size for billboard or wall advertisements with present day’s sensors, it will pixelate, while for 135 film it will show grains up close, but still will represent the image well. Of course even 135 film is still not good enough for this, and that is why we are still using medium or large format film for this types of photography.
          As for sensors with higher and smaller pixels having more noise to signal ratio has already been overcome to a certain extent with image processing by using pixel pooling which can improve on noise performance as well as for color representation and resolution. The next issue for sensors with higher and smaller pixels requiring higher shutter speed to overcome motional blur can now use the higher ISO that we have to reduce the time we need for proper exposure. There are still lots of other things we need to improve like power consumption and processing power, but I am sure one day we will get there as shown by Canon having one of their P&S camera having as much MP if the sensor is built to FX size. Here we already knew that we are not limited to taking still images on a tripod.

          • Hans98Ko

            Another thing I would like to bring up is that many 12-16 MP smartphone sensors are already way over a 100 MP if they are to be built to FX size, so here we can see how bad or good they are at this stage of time.

    • Mac

      Well, a 100MP camera would probably have a 2 fps frame rate and the photosites would be so small that your noise ceiling would be about ISO 800. Might be okay for some folks, but not me.

      • 24×36

        You’re still thinking pixel size equates to noise performance, which means you’re still comparing “100% crops” as opposed to equal output size. The D810 has three times the pixels of the D3/D700 with better noise performance.

        • Mac

          Yes, I am doing that sort of comparison, and have no problem with that. Pixel size alone does determine noise level. I’m not considering downsampling to reduce noise; just out of camera noise performance at high ISO’s.

    • Ric of The LBC

      Long live the Df!!!

    • Nikkor300f4VR

      What..? More Megapixels..? Your hard drive and PC is getting nervous..

  • Nikon I’m ready ! I’ve upgraded all my glass to the latest and best pro lenses. BRING it !

    • Eric Calabros

      Do you marry me?

      • Do I marry you ?

        • Allan

          I think he wants to play with your … lenses. 🙂

          (Do you let your significant other use your gear?)

          • My significant other has no interest. Her only interest, with respect to my photography business, is the cash flow – income 😉

            • Allan

              lol

            • Aldo

              Sounds familiar “hey babe look at this cool shot I came up with today” … she replies “how much you charged?”

            • silmasan

              and “hey babe look at this cool lens I-” … “how much you were charged?”

            • GMck

              In my case, it’s “Hey babe, look at this 105 1.4 I bought you!” She replies “Sweet!”

            • Aldo

              I still cant get over spending 2500 on the nikon 70-200. She was happy I bought it though. She knows I’m always cheap and dont wanna spend.

            • silmasan

              The 2.8E FL VR? Wow! congrats man. She definitely knows what’s good for ya! 🙂

            • Max

              Did you get the 19mm? And the 105 and the new 70-200??

            • Amir

              I have them all,totally awesome,but totally different usage for each!

        • Eric Calabros

          In my dreams, yes.

    • CERO

      Did you upgrade by getting your anniversary caps too?

  • Richard Hart

    will 46mp make nikon feel they are not leading the way when canon has 50mp? – most people don’t like using the canon 50mp camera as the dynamic range and iso is bad. If I want a higher res image I stitch multiple shots. For most people 36mp is still far more than necessary. Please comment if you have been asked for higher res images. I would be happy if the update has better dynamic range and better video capability. What about in camera stabilization like the a7r2? I would love one of them in a nikon f mount…

    • Eric Calabros

      I just advice you to keep your expectations low.. a very gentle conservative low.

      • Nikkor300f4VR

        I do hope that Nikon will save the unnecessary embarrasment what Canon sucked in with their own 5Ds/r MP-monster joke camera.. Most people do not need 50ish MPs if the IQ sucks..

    • j cortes

      Agree, in camera stabilization would be really appreciated . I love my D810 , and I’ve never ran into a situation where I felt I needed more megapixels . Would love an EVF though . I don’t expect any big changes from Nikon for the D800 series .

    • I regularly sell 30″ x 45″ prints and larger. I will gladly take more MP assuming DR will be at least as good as my D800E.

      • ToastyFlake

        If you’re mattandersonphotography.com, that is some awesome work.

    • Vince Vinnyp

      I’ll take a bump in High ISO over DR and DR over mp but not if there is any trade off. Improvements that would give me best bang for buck would be. Better AF, better live view, bigger buffer, higher frame rate.

      • Fly Moon

        Are you sure. the D8xx is the right model for you? Maybe you should check the D5/D4s. I hear they have High ISO and low MP.

        • Vince Vinnyp

          I have 2 D5s for when I need what they have. I know there are trade offs but if the D810 can get the shot then the IQ is superior. If it’s successor can get more then great.

    • El Aura

      In-body image stabilisation + Pentax K-1 style four-shot full-colour sampling.

    • AlphaStatuz

      I haven’t ever been asked for higher res than even 24mp can provide, but as a landscape shooter who prints my work, I am ready to upgrade from the 750 and would welcome more MP.

    • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

      My only client, myself, is always asking me for more megapixels, every day! He is so annoying… lol
      All kidding aside, I only shoot for my self, family pictures and wildlife; some macro too.
      Is a hobby, it doesn’t give me any income at all, it is actually making me poor!
      If I had business , I’m sure I would still be using a D700.

    • sickheadache

      Relax..this is the same damn argument those MP Gurls expressed when D800 arrived with 36mp…The highest MP Count Nikon had was 12mp…The Gurls of 12mp high school…bitched and moaned and complained..you don’t need the extra mp…destroys space…and blah and blah and more freaking blah…I used the D800/E and 810….I want more…because the dynamic range on that Sony Sensor is Excellent and attach a Sigma Art Line Lens on it…Sharp of all Sharp…So..piss off to those 12mp gurls….I left you all behind…lol

    • Fly Moon

      Are you sure your’e asking for a video camera?

  • Zoot

    “Nikon D810 Replacement” is going to occupy a hell of a lot of space on the front of the camera.

    • silmasan

      D810R?

  • This is a very good point. But it would require big balls from Nikon, going all in on mirrorless – with (arguably) their most famous FF series in the last ~5 years.

    • You can keep your testicular micrometer in the toolbox. There is zero chance the new D8XX/9XX will be mirrorless. That’s not to say they won’t announce a FF mirrorless at some point, but it won’t be a replacement for the D810.

      • Max

        I know it won’t be, but come to think of it the D820 would be the body that could best benefit from mirrorless tech as it’s their landscape cam.

        • 24×36

          No, the D810 (and its successor) is not a “landscape cam.” It’s the best all-around camera there is.

          • Max

            It is also Nikon’s best suited camera for landscape photography.

      • manattan

        The surprise could be a dual announcement. The D820 and D820M (M for mirrorless). THAT would be a surprise!

      • Hey, I wasn’t the one saying this in the first place. I agree with you, it’s very unlikely.

        • Just having a joke at your expense. It’s rare that I can use the word “testicular”, so when I get the chance…:-)

    • geofflivingston

      I think it’s much more likely that we see a second mirrorless Fx camera than a mirrorless D820.

  • animalsbybarry

    Patiently waiting for D820 ( with my D810, 300mm F4 PF, and 1.4xiii) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12e5c4ea560b81eb955d07a259d3078c33fd4d3916f68530dffb594410175689.jpg

    • Aldo

      Rumor has it the d820 compels animals to pose a bit longer to get the perfect shot… It uses an advanced hypnotic pulse.

      • br0xibear

        Talking about “hypnotic”, have you see the new video on Nikon’s 100th celebration site ?…

        http://www.nikon.com/100th/oznikonversion#oznikonversion-movie

        • Aldo

          haha that’s pretty cool. I need to snatch a few of them to make me look good when I go dancing.

          • Proto

            in your photo, is the lens your lion cloth?

        • What? Hmmm..

          • br0xibear

            Looks like all the Nikon regions are adding their own particular celebration ideas to the 100th Anniversary.
            Nikon Italia with the record breaking camera, this very Japanese video from Nikon Japan, Nikon UK have that video made from users’ stills to come.
            I’m sure we’ll see a few more.

    • Spy Black

      …and some high ISO, I see. A bit of color and luma NR won’t hurt. 😉

      • animalsbybarry

        Bullfrogs have a skin texture that looks just like noise
        NR would remove much of this detail

        I use my photos for refferrence materiel for paintings and care more about detail and resolution than anything else…I can live with some noise

        • Spy Black

          I suppose if you use it too heavily, but I can easily see noise here you can remove without affecting real data.

    • T.I.M

      I bet you LOVE the 300mm f/4 pf

      • animalsbybarry

        Yes

        • T.I.M

          It does also work very well with the TC-20EIII
          (and the auto focus stay fast)

    • T.I.M

      I like your frog picture but the shadow is distracting.
      By using a polariser filter you could avoid the water reflection and I think it would improve the picture.
      It’s a very nice frog, I’ve eat frogs legs, it taste like chicken.

    • T.I.M
      • animalsbybarry

        I do not like your crop
        There is actually more of the water in the photo with lots of soft variations in color, but due to the limitations of the browser I had to crop out ore image than I want in order to post it here

  • sickheadache

    There is a huge secret about the new 850 coming soon. Huge Secret. So Huge…I can’t say what it is…until Released…and then I will say…That’s IT…The Secret I could not say today, but will say when released.

    • Aldo

      There are no tapes.

      • PhilK

        Covfefe

    • T.I.M

      Now I understand why your name is “sickheadache”

    • Nikkor300f4VR

      Is it a 50.6 MP camera, and its max usable iso is 1600? Ooh, wait, noo.. That was a joke.. 😀
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6KyWbns0ro

  • Max

    It will be a hybrid evf/ovf 😀

  • Michael Turner

    I’m hoping that it performs as well as the D500 when it’s in crop mode.

    • Aldo

      That would be interesting… The d810 already gives what 7fps in dx? I hope they kick it up to 9 or 10.

      • Michael Turner

        I think it could be as high as 10. I could see Nikon trying to limit the crops ability. Absolutely no reason to buy a D500 if you could get the extra money for the D820. Currently, if you have a D750 or D610 you would still want a killer crop sensor as well. My D3300 gets better detail on the moon than my D750.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Anyone who needed a D500 (like me) has by now bought one. If D850 cannibalizes D500 because D850 cropped is so good, good for Nikon. That could be a killer body [IF Nikon replicates the D500 body].

          How much performance a D850 provides in crop mode will be very interesting.

          • peter w

            D500 will remain faster in fps and somewhat smaller and lighter.
            In the past D800 embodied improvements of both D300s and D700, at cost of speed and shutter/mirror shake.

    • ToastyFlake

      That would be keen.

  • Дмитрий

    i hope sensor is beter than a7r ii

    • sickheadache

      But i know your new to NR and maybe Planet Earth…Sony Makes Nikon’s Sensors on the D800/E and D810 and will make the new 46mp sensor for the D850.

    • sickheadache

      I believe DoX Mark…placed that camera one about Nikon’s D810. And you were saying what?

    • tomskyphoto

      The D810’s RAW output is still way better than A7RII uncompressed RAW at low to medium ISO (forget that stupid JPEG-deluxe pseudo-RAW by Sony). Not by a far margin but it’s noticeable. It’s only at higher ISOs that the A7RII can take the lead. The A7RII also has tremendous problems with long exposure noise (reduction) – essentially its output is unusable above 15 sec exposure without NR and its kind of still massively baked RAW files is questionable least to say. Not to mention Sony’s latest firmware f***ups.

      I own both cameras and have used them extensively – the A7RII is definitely not the uber camera as what it had been hyped by some photo sites, magazines, internet bloggers and rabid Sony fanboys. Actually it’s a rather mediocre to crappy product with pretty poor performance, user experience and build quality that just happens to be able to do one thing well: deliver excellent IQ. Everything else about it is quite forgettable. I bet the fabled A9 will be seen in the emperor’s new clothes pretty soon too… and look much less glamorous than in all that paid hype going on right now just as it did with the A7RII. At least one’s gotta give credit to Sony that they get their marketing efforts right, contrary to a lot of other brands.

  • jareb

    Nikon mirrorless – no. “Nikon Commemorative Edition” of 60MP Sony A9R with a bunch of new fast super-tele primes in a special gunsmoke color finish – may be. /s

  • T.I.M

    July 25th, so it is exactly 2 months late…
    The fact that some of my wife’s family members lives in Asia as nothing to do with the possible D900 name for the new Nikon FX DSLR.
    :o)

    • sickheadache

      Everyone Stop…saying D900….it aint happening. Now let’s move on to D850. lol These are the same folks that brought you D400….LOL

      • T.I.M

        Can I remind you that I was right about the D700 and the never released D400.

        • sickheadache

          Yep that is the big Secret…The new D850 is called…D900..with 72mp….Nikon Fooled them all…Including Peter and Thom Hogan…Yep…

          • T.I.M

            Be careful, you’re too young to be victim of an accident.
            :o)

      • T.I.M

        And what about all the D900 T shirts and D900 coffee cups that I already made ?
        :o(

        • Antonio

          Taking into account how long you talk about D900 it’s likely that if Nikon decides to introduce and produce it according to the state of the art they will probably have to name it as D910 or D950 and ruin the market value of your stuff anyway. Sorry if this is not that encouraging. 🙂

          • T.I.M

            It’s ok, still better than having to take pictures with a Canon (or even worse, a Sony)!

        • BVS

          You’ll have to post some photos from your release party. You’ve been waiting a long time for this moment!

          • T.I.M

            Of course, but I need that new D900 to take the party pictures, I won’t take them with my “old” D800, that would be a shame!

            • Michiel953

              So you need two D900’s? Why not take two D90’s, paint an extra 0 on one, take pics with the other?

            • T.I.M

              I never said I need 2 D900, in fact, if the D900 have a 54MP sensor I may (I said I “may”) sell my D7200.
              But as a pro I need 2 DSLR bodies (for safety and show off purpose), so yes, having 2 D900 is a good idea, thanks!

            • Michiel953

              You implied youneed a D900 to take pics of your D900…
              That makes two D900’s.

      • ToastyFlake

        Some fat guy said they won’t use 850 because the digits add up to 13.

    • T.I.M

      Here is a French online seller website, you can notice that all accessories have now been updated with D900

      http://www.priceminister.com/s/nikon+d900

      • sickheadache

        You get that famous…OH MY LANTA! Award. We get this every time when a new major release is coming…These fly by night sellers…splash ALL numbers to cover what junk they are selling…You should be banned from Planet Earth Tonight at Tribal Counsel ….I am voting…u off. lol

        • T.I.M

          It’s in French so it must be true!
          ;o)

          • sickheadache

            Let me tell you about the French, the 10 year old’s smoke cigarettes, put cheese on their potatoes, and run around nude looking at dirty statues.

            • T.I.M

              cigarettes it’s over, now they smoke pot.

            • docnorth

              If they smoke that much they are potential buyers for Sony A9, so they can shoot a burst in action and then habe plenty of time for a cigarette until the buffer clears.

            • jmb2560

              ça c’est bien une reflexion de connard américain

            • T.I.M

              Sois poli, ma femme est americaine !
              :o)

            • jmb2560

              T.I.M: Moi et ma femme aussi! n’empêche que c’est vraiment un crétin! 😉

            • T.I.M

              The whole world is making fun of French people because for 5 years we had the dumbest president ever elected.

            • jmb2560

              LOL… That’s ok: now US has the winner’s spot for the dumbest president ever elected

            • sickheadache

              yep…parody …thanks inspector clueless. lol

      • Jim Kiefer

        That website says the EN-EL3e is for the D80, D90, D900, and D700. If you replace D900 with D300, those are all cameras that used that battery from 2006 to 2008. Think the “D900” is some sort of typo on that website.

  • geofflivingston

    Holding off on buying a new body until we see what Nikon plans to unveil. Should be fun.

  • T.I.M

    If the new Nikon D(whaterver) is a FX 54MP then the D500 will have little interest.
    A 54MP FX sensor in crop mode give you a 24MP DX sensor.

    • Hans J

      But will only have 5-6fps max. So the D500 will still be good for speed.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Nikon might choose to boost a D850 to D500 speeds when in crop mode. I would, because that would make for a killer all-around FX/DX camera.

        • Hans J

          Interesting… maybe, but the D800 style bodies have never been about raw speed like that.

          • Allen_Wentz

            My hope is that the new D8xx will be an FX D500. If they use the D500 sensor there would be no reason I can see not to have full D500 performance in DX crop mode.

            • Captain Megaton

              Lots of reasons why not. A much heavier and larger mirror, a longer shutter traverse, etc.

            • Allen_Wentz

              I knew I was missing something…

            • Hans J

              I hope you are right!

      • T.I.M

        5-6 fps is a lot (to me)

        • Hans J

          Plenty for me also.

      • Brent Rawlings

        I love my D500. It might well be a last camera (famous last words) for me.

        • D700s

          I love mine too but it won’t be the last camera I buy..

        • T.I.M

          My wife have a mini Copper and she love it!
          But she do agree that it’s easier to put our 2 Kawasaki dirt bikes in my F350…

    • paige4o4

      Except the D500 will probably be $1500 cheaper.

  • eric

    Im gonna laugh when the new d810 is the same as the old d810, same 36mp, same look, only updates are with snapbridge and a flip screen.

    • paige4o4

      To be honest, those are probably the only major problems I have with that camera.

      • Allen_Wentz

        The D500 AF, focus toggle, etc. are very, very cool tools in practice. There is no reason not to include them in D8xx.

        What the MP are I do not care, I just want the D500 body.

        • PhilK

          Unfortunately you can’t get the edge-to-edge AF coverage on an FX body with that AF module and submirror. 🙁

          THAT is something that a mirrorless camera could address, tho it might have to be with contrast AF or some sort of hybrid..

  • RC Jenkins

    Didn’t we already know this rumor (since it’s a rumor)…? Is it more of a rumor now…? 🙂

    • zombietimeshare

      Well, rumor has it.

      • paige4o4

        Many people are saying.

        • zombietimeshare

          So I hear.

          • silmasan

            It is said that… [?][by whom?][citation needed]

            • PhilK

              An unnamed source familiar with the matter in question.

    • No, I never mentioned a date before.

  • Charles

    I can see by reading most of the comments… It really doesn’t matter what the D820 brings, There will still be un-happy people. There has never been one camera that is perfect for every situation, and I can’t imagine that there ever will be.

    • peter w

      why bother about unhappy people that mourn on specs.
      Think about happy photographers that get the images they want with slightly less effort, or perhaps even one or two photographers that get some images they could only dream off before…

    • JXVo

      My D800 and D810 are such good cameras and so versatile that the only improvements I would want are mostly convenience factors:
      – more than 4 sets of memory banks, 6 would be enough to set up some customised flash modes in addition to my normal shooting setups
      – touchscreen for menu navigation
      – backlit buttons
      – a fast reliable way to offload pics wirelessly
      – move the 10 pin connector to a less fiddly spot
      – the D5 AF system – this is huge
      – faster than 5 fps
      – some sort of digital/LCD overlay on the optical viewfinder to show focus and exposure peaking info.
      – Nikon really needs to catch up to the competition with some sort of on-sensor PDAF

      • James Michael

        To me those memory banks are useless, because they don’t retain fixed settings. Nikon could (but won’t) update the firmware to actually make them usable.

        I still do some real estate photos, and I need built in GPS. Wifi/bluetooth should be standard on everything by now.

        • JXVo

          Snap-bridge will enable your phone’s GPS to supply location data into each puc’s metadata.

          The memory banks are extremely useful if you take the trouble to understand and set them up. There is a reason why Nikon continues to offer this on their pro level products….multiple cameras in one… but not saying the bank system is perfect, it could do with some principled tweaking.

          The bank system is far superior to U1/U2 of the D7x00 and D750 in terms of the range of customisation it can provide but sadly less user friendly. It wouldn’t take much to make it more usable. For example, having a principled think about what should be in the Shooting and Custom Settings Menus, maybe allowing users to move items from one to the other, then offering presets with new cameras for popular genres, providing a quicker way to make bank selections via a dedicated button/wheel combo and providing an option to return to saved presets on switch-off.

          One of the most common criticisms is that changes you make on the fly for a specific scene while using a bank are remembered going forward. There is no easy way to automatically return the bank to the pre-programmed settings…..other than exporting it to a card and reloading it at the start of every shoot….so you have remember what changes you made and reverse them before switching off. It would not be difficult to fix this problem in firmware….if anyone bothered. I wish Nioon would bring the Fuji approach to firmware into their business model….the products are certainly deserving of such care.

          • James Michael

            Snapbridge sucks, and i don’t need another app draining the battery on my phone. They need to seriously improve that app before I would rely on it. I would rather have the GPS built into the body.

            The lack of settings retention is the reason the memory banks are useless. I need a base configuration that stays the same everytime I select it. If I am shooting real estate and see a rare bird, I should be able to quickly switch to bird settings and then back again. If I make a change then it should not be permanent unless I specifically save it. This could be fixed in firmware, but Nikon is too stubborn to do it.

            • JXVo

              Useless to you maybe. Not to me.

    • There was. D700. It pleased most of the people.

    • Ric of The LBC

      WHAAAAA? Unhappy people on NR?

      No way!

    • br0xibear

      “There has never been one camera that is perfect for every situation, and I can’t imagine that there ever will be.”

      I think a real modular system might. (whether anyone would make one is a different story of course)
      What do I mean by “real modular system” ?…
      Nikon produces camera bodies with no sensor, you buy the sensor separately. The sensors are as easy to install and change as a current memory card. So you could have a D810 type body with a D5 type sensor, or vice versa. You could mix and match sensors and bodies in any way you like. Instead of new bodies every two years, bodies would have a longer life because you can update the sensors.
      But as I said, whether anyone would make one is a different story.

      • Sounds like the Red system. But even those cameras need to be sent in to have the sensors installed and their ergonomics suck. I think we are a decade away from a modular DSLR. There are just basic issues to contend with and little to gain with keeping a body when the sensors are most of the price. But this system does work for Red when you want to save $10k on a $55k camera.

      • PhilK

        Besides the production, cost, bulk, reliability and calibration issues of a modular system… I doubt you will see any major camera manufacturer eager to build such a product because they are too addicted to regular camera upgrades to risk largely killing off that regular upgrade cycle.

        One idea would be to help monetize the products through licensed software updates – but I have a feeling most any attempt to secure these from hacking would fail and end up being worse than not trying that at all.

  • Yanny Nao

    I don’t care if its a d500/d5 sensor, but I want smooth auto focus in video, otherwise my D3s is good enough. Still a workhorse for me.

    • Mike

      There are better video cameras out there than anything Nikon has.

      • Bob Thane

        Not everyone can afford nor afford to carry around a stills camera and a video camera.

        • Mike

          He has a D3s. It was affordable for a small portion of the camera buying market. It’s “good enough”. If he ‘needs’ smooth AF video there are better options. Suggesting a RED is being a bit drastic and dramatic and it requires a focus puller (which ironically is smoother than any dual pixel system). Shooting in 720p that the D3s does leads me to believe video is not hugely important to him. But then he requires smooth AF in video. So if it’s important, pony up. If it’s not, the D3s “will do”. Lol

        • John Albino

          The Sony FDR-X3000-4K sounds just like what a lot of people here seem to be asking for :=)

          4K, IBIS, small form factor, EXMOR sensor, less than $500. What’s not to love???? :=) :=)

      • Allen_Wentz

        Sure. Spend $$$ on a RED, no problem.

        Unless of course one actually happens to be looking for a Nikon still camera.

        • Mike

          RED was more dramatic an answer than I was expecting. Lol.

  • Mehdi R

    46MP
    153 focus points
    6 fps
    4K video
    tilt & touch screen
    improved snapbridge
    This is remarkable, what else photographers want..
    I wish they remove flash and put GPS, also improve that damn contrast focusing in live view. Even Canon’s entry level T7i has dual pixel focusing..

    • Gilboa

      Yes, Nikon have become the dinosaur of the industry when it comes to LV-AF/video AF capability’s! Put some PDAF points on the new sensor Nikon, for Pete’s sake! It’s about time. It’s your 100th, show some innovation (or at least competiveness) already, like you used to!

    • decisivemoment

      Nikon now has dualpixel patents for on-sensor phase-detect AF, and it has used the technology before in Nikon 1 with first Aptina and then Sony sensors. So why did this not show up in the D500, and why does it still look like it might not show up in the D820?

      • Nikkor300f4VR

        Yes, more PDAF and Nikon DualPixel, please!

  • Depends on what you need. I’m more at high ISO than base ISO so my A7RII is perfect for me (and IBIS helps a TON).

    If you’re more of a day time shooter, the D810’s ISO 64 does better.

    No need to talk trash on Sony because you like Nikon. 🙂

    • silmasan

      I don’t see the trash talk you mentioned, but I definitely appreciate the confirmation/reaffirmation on my choice. I know I am biased. 🙂

      • tomskyphoto said that the A7RII is “Actually it’s a rather mediocre to crappy product with pretty poor performance”, which by most reasonable metrics is hardly true.

        • silmasan

          whoosh :p

  • jasalva100

    The D810 for low light music photography doesn’t perform as well as the D750, as I use both cameras depending on the show I go to & lighting conditions. So for me I hope this D820/D850 is geared towards low light performance like the D750. I think both of these cameras are fantastic overall. I just wish the D810 performed better in poor lighting bars that I shoot in without a flash.I have noticed people have left Nikon & Canon for the Sony A7RII & Sony A9 i’m not sure at this point, I like my cameras just wish Nikon & Canon would be more innovative like Sony.

    • ToastyFlake

      Hopefully the D820 will at least equal the 750 with advances in the tech, but all things being equal, a lower MP camera will always outperform a higher MP camera in low light. I need the higher MP for bird photography and the low light performance for shooting concerts. I hope the 820 strikes that balance. I really don’t want to haul around 2 bodies.

  • LG Och Tereza Nyqvist

    On my wish list I want to see a new megapixel camera with very good DR. A game changer in performance as the D800 was when it arrived and many, included myself made the change to Nikon

    But… I would also like to see the “new” and what so many are waiting for from Nikon. At least have a glance what to expect from a mirrorless FX / FF prototype. A mirrorless megapixel retro “DF” would be a really game changer for me and many

    • ToastyFlake

      You only want 1 MP?

  • TinusVerdino

    maybe, maybe not. It is about time though.

    • T.I.M

      what’s your icon ? a game character or a real picture ?

      • TinusVerdino

        I am somebody with family ties and friends

        • T.I.M

          Don’t answer me, don’t break the silence
          Don’t let me win
          Don’t answer me, stay on your island
          Don’t let me in

          • TinusVerdino

            You’re so vain

            You probably think this song is about you

            You’re so vain

            I’ll bet you think this song is about you

            Don’t you? Don’t you?

            • T.I.M

              “vain” what does that mean ?
              About the song, I was listening to that song when I was a teenager in France (not speaking any English at that time) I rediscovered it many years later (like many other English songs) when my English improved a lot.
              Anyway, have a nice weekend.

  • Michiel953

    I’d hope (for Nikon and myself) for the July 25th news, if it’s a camera, to be either the perfect Df successor, the camera it should have been in the first place four years ago, or the D810 successor, but then a giant, ground breaking step forward.

    I’m not going to list all my wishes here (I’m not going to buy it anyway), but a really good hybrid 100% viewfinder in a D500 sized high res ff DSLR package, with again improved AF would fit the bill.

  • Roberto Solari

    They should push the boat out, 70mp!!

    • T.I.M

      I don’t know, some people here still use 8kb (kilobytes) SD cards from the 90s so they may think 70MP will be a little too much.

      • Roberto Solari

        LoL..

  • NikMan

    Don’t care what the specs are, don’t care when it is announced, don’t care if it is compact flash, SD, XQD, with matching or mixed formats, all i care about is when is it available, …. that’s it, ……. smoke up!

  • cBBp

    Hopefully that learn to expand the DR by combining photosites. But Sony patented that

    • Allen_Wentz

      Patents are simply licensed out.

  • Mac

    Do you have a website with images taken with your Tamron 150-600 G2? I’m considering that lens and would like to see what sort of IQ to expect. I assume you are a wildlife photographer; my genre of interest. Thanks.

  • T.I.M

    Ok,
    Here is how I see the D900
    -54MP FX sensor
    -improved ISO noise (2 stops better, meaning clean ISO 800)
    -flash :o( , but with hi speed synchro :o)
    -5fps FX full resolution RAW
    -GPS (that would be Nikon’ suicide not having it)
    -wifi, facebook, blue tooth, and all that crap :o(
    -4K video at 30fps
    -Tilted back screen :o(
    -same batteries as D810
    -same AF as D5
    -$3995 at release ($3795 in few months)

    • Is that Colorado Sunshine or Bruce Banner you’re partaking of?

      • T.I.M

        Please explain (or make the joke in French)

        • Ric of The LBC

          let me help

          That is some good shit you are smoking.

          Permettez-moi de vous aider C’est de la merde bonne que vous fumez.

          • T.I.M

            Thanks, now I get it.
            I stop smoking long time ago, I now use lithium (from Nikon batteries), the effects last longer.

            • Ric of The LBC

              Explains a lot. Keeps the highs from being to high and the lows from being to low.

        • Spy Black

          Est-ce Colorado Sunshine ou Bruce Banner dont vous participez?

          • Allan

            You might seriously consider suing your high school French teacher. 🙂

            • Spy Black

              My French teacher is Google Translate.

            • Allan

              lol

            • T.I.M

              never use Google translate in a chat or you will end up dating a guy.

        • Google them and you’ll see.

      • Ric of The LBC

        MILF

    • Unless there is a totally revolutionary breakthrough in sensor technology, there is no 2-stop improvement left to be had in current sensor technology, not at ISO 100, not at ISO 6400, not at ISO 800.

      We are simply that good at “counting photons” at this point.

      • T.I.M

        Light sensors are constantly improving, remember the first consumer video cameras back in the 80s, they needed a lot of light (tons of it) but now you can make a movie under natural light !
        Been able to shoot FX at ISO 800 without noise would be a great help for me (I already appreciate the clean ISO 400 form my D7200)

        • Bob Thane

          It’ll exceed the D7200 at ISO 400.

        • Have you seen what the Sony A7S looks like at 800?

          • T.I.M

            Yes but no thanks, I’m like a woman, I can’l live without a mirror.

            • Mirror or not, the sensor is the important observation. The A7S at ISO 800 is about as clean as you’re ever going to see with current photon-COUNTING technology. It will take a whole new revolution in photon-CATCHING technology, to see a whopping 2-stop improvement over something like the A7S at 800.

            • PhilK

              Well then Nikon had better hurry up with their Expeed 6 photon dreamcatcher technology, then. 😉

      • T.I.M

        I have a question for you (Astro Landscapes)
        Back in my science classes (long time ago) I was told that photons had no mass, and that was the reason why there were able to travel at light speed.
        But if photons (light) have no mass, why can’t they escape form a black hole’s gravity field ?
        Do they have a mass or not ?

      • ToastyFlake

        I think the image processors have gotten much better at pulling the data out of the senor and processing it, despite rather slow progress in the actual sensors.

      • PhotoLaw

        Agreed, but T.I.M is talking about the D900, which won’t be announced until 2021. 🙂 For the D820… Snapbridge, 42-46MP and new AF. If there were new sensor tech, we would have seen it in the D5.

        • T.I.M

          You just killed my dream….
          :o(

    • TIM, I don’t know how many times I have to ask you to stop this D900 nonsense….

      • Ric of The LBC

        apparently more than once.

        • T.I.M

          too much lithium

      • T.I.M

        Ok, I promise I won’t mention it again (until it is released).
        I’m so happy that you finally got a date, I think you deserve it!
        She must be beautiful, get a nice restaurant to impress her, and having a date the day Nikon celebrate its 100th anniversary is just great!

        • You do understand that you are confusing a lot of people with your D900 fantasies?

          • T.I.M

            I do, but if everyone know for sure the new Nikon DSLR name months ahead, that’s not exiting.
            But when the D820/850 will be announced, they will all think: “that T.I.M, what a ass hole!”

            • I think they know that already 🙂

            • T.I.M

              LOL!

  • Yair

    IF it has a good solution how to precisely use manual focusing on a high resolution sensor and keeping the D810 IQ I am buying it now.

    • Aldo

      question: are you using 50 year old lenses or $5000 mf zeiss?

      • Yair

        Zeiss

    • RC Jenkins

      I think the only ‘good solution’ you should expect to see on any DSLR is in live view, including magnification, focus peaking, and digital split-prism.

      • Yair

        Sounds good to me 🙂
        Certainly a move in the right way .

      • Yair

        Optional EVF or some hybrid design Will be able to give the functionality I look for

  • T.I.M

    If you plan to buy the TC-20EIII you will need this:

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1213316-REG/vello_lrc_n10_rapid_lens_changer_for.html

    I mount both of my teleconverters on it (TC-14+TC-20), it save room and it make the switching much easier.

    • animalsbybarry

      I already have both teleconverters and a lens flipper

      • T.I.M

        I never use camouflage when I take wildlife pictures. I just make sure I take a shower right before.

  • Visual Envy

    Aldo… condescending much?

    So people (like me) who don’t NEED real time backups are casual and take pics of cats?

    wow.. just wow.

    • Aldo

      Maybe if it’s an important cat? Sorry no not at all. I’ve seen casual photographers take pictures that quite frankly I’d never be able to take… I don’t even have that much passion for photography, but rather have passion for the work that I do. It’s different. I don’t consider myself above anyone. I just can’t think of many good reasons why someone doesn’t grasp the concept of backing up work. Every other profession does it eg. with important documents. We get paid considerable money for the images that we take. Backing up is not just working professionally, but it’s also ethical and the right thing to do. People invest thousands of dollars in their wedding/parties/events . It’s the least we can do to ensure we deliver what we promise. Like insurance. I don’t understand why it’s difficult to comprehend sorry.

  • Aldo

    You are absolutely right… but sometimes you need strong words to make a point.

    • Allan

      How about: Some or many “people who shoot two …”. The way you wrote is sounds like: all “people who shoot two…”.

      • Aldo

        Yes that sounds better thank you.

  • tom

    all beta testers get ready to preorder…. I will wait a few months after beta testing is done and nikon fixes issues

  • Did you know that DP Review has kicked and banned me from their discussions and forums because i was defending Nikon against a lot of Sony fanboys? And in that day they have posted a video about a dead shutter of DSLR cameras after 200.000 actuations. It seems like DP Review is full of mirrorless fanboys.

    • Allan

      DPReview highly rates Nikon cameras.

    • TinusVerdino

      just register again.

  • MB

    Just in time for a regular malware outbreak …
    Too bad Nikon already used D100 name, would be a nice touch …
    I would really love a full frame binned 4k 30fps video, but the sensor alone would be more than 3000$ (it would actually be an 8k sensor) so no way … but subsampled 4k with some kind of on sensor AF would be nice, it would require 40Mpix FX sensor for full frame capture … but what do I know 🙂 …
    Anyways … Yippee ki-yay Sony

  • Allan

    Peter,

    Have you ever considered writing the Nikon Rumors version of Robert’s Rules of Order? This thread has some nasty comments.

    • Ric of The LBC

      We have a motion on the table.
      Does any second that motion?

      • Stuart Crowther

        Yes.

        • Ric of The LBC

          All those in favor say Aye.

          • Allen_Wentz

            Getting into Rules can be a slippery slope. Self-policing is usually preferable.

  • Abhinav

    Chances of Nikon D820a version ?

  • EnPassant

    What if Nikon surprise us with a dual release?
    The high MP D820 everybody are expecting and a sibling camera, the true D700 successor D900 with the D5 sensor (or similar new sensor) and 10fps and 4K? A sort of big brother D500. After all waiting for the D300 replacement, when most had given up hope, it finally arrived and was a hit. So why not do the same and release a D700 replacement? Just give people what they have been asking for! Using almost the same body as the D820 development cost shouldn’t be too high.

    • I’d absolutely love for a “repeat” of the D3->D300->D700 triple-whammy. The D5 and D500 is really setting some high expectations for a D850 body styling and a D5 sensor.

      I say, dear Nikon, bring back the “X” nomenclature, and give us a D850 and D850X! Put all the D500’s body style improvements into a full-frame body, (dedicated AF joystick, a rugged articulated LCD, no pop-up flash,) …and throw two different sensors in it. That’d be a dream!

  • I have to admit, I’m curious. When was the last time you had an XQD card fail? When was the last time any card failed on you?

    I have owned a Nikon D4 and D5, shot hundreds of thousands of pictures with them and have never had a single card fail during shooting. One card I had self-destructed slowly over time (the plastic pin cover broke), but I was able to simply quit using it before I lost any data.

    In my D4 I was always annoyed when it switched in overflow mode to my CF card because that thing was dog-slow compared to XQD. So I was happy the D5 switched to dual XQD, but since I switched to a 128GB card I have never even overflowed.

    • Evan Richardson

      I once had a card fail on me…an IBM microdrive. God those things sucked. Any slight jarring of the camera risked a scratched platter.

      • It’s true, those were delicate. My 1GB Microdrive, which was the very first memory card I owned for my very first digital camera, failed. I remember being awestruck by the high capacity, though.

    • Aldo

      Im glad you have been able to avoid card failure. I have a few stories regarding CF and SD cards, but not XQD. I use a video camera with dual SD cards. One of those cards failed unexpectedly in the middle of a wedding. We were unable to recover anything out of that card. Luckily we had a second. Similarly while taking photos all of a sudden I get an Err message and then find out that the card has failed. I have also had instances in which Ive had user error. I have dropped cards and they are useless after that. Also my assistant lost one in another occasion. I’ve also had cards currupted by airport security.

      I’ve had my fair share of insidents that prove time after time that back up is essential rather than optional like many here seem to think

  • Nika

    A feature like in camera focus stacking would be appreciated

  • RIT

    If we get increased resolution then let us also have sRAW with much improved low-light noise and DR. Most that really need high pixel count are enlarging much bigger than FX users and are most likely in a studio setting with medium format. What FX field users lack is lighting so improved noise and DR at high ISO is vastly more important. A good RAW/sRAW should be able to serve both camps and much of what lies in-betweeen.
    It would be good if Nikon could announce a real paradigm shift in DR and noise, then I suspect we’ll see iterations like an Astrophotography, maybe a Sports version with even better speed.
    8 is a lucky number in Japan.

  • John Alexander

    is it mirrorless?

  • Nikkor300f4VR

    As 25th of July approaching my bank account getting more and more nervous.. 😀

  • Ozzy Guy

    Nikon haven’t done anything worthwhile since the D800E…I hope the D850 isn’t as disappointing as the D810 was (higher sensor noise for astrophotography, for one example)…

    • Gon0S

      Just asking : what are you using for astro ? The famous SONY MILC that eats stars ?
      If you need astro, why not looking for the D810a instead of bashing the normal one ?

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