Also coming soon: new Nikkor AF-P 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR lens

In addition to the ultra wide angle lens, Nikon is going to announce also a new Nikkor AF-P 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR full frame lens.

Please note that Nikon already announced a new Nikon AF-P Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3G ED (VR) DX lens for APS-C cameras last year. The new lens I mentioned in this post will be full frame and will replace the current AF-S 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED VR version.

According to Nikon "AF-P lenses that achieve fast and quiet AF with adoption of a stepping motor for AF drive operation" which makes them a good choice for video recording.

So far, those are two of the rumored five Nikkor lenses that are rumored to be announced this year.

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  • Mike

    Nikon’s 100th year – the year when Nikon took a break!

    • 1741

      Is it the 31st of december already

      • hje

        31st of March 2018
        to be exact
        😉
        plenty of time to announce new products

    • Edison Firme

      Nikon is actually a really tight-lipped company when it comes to new gear rumors. Remember when the D500 was announced? Nobody saw that one coming. I know the D810 replacement is coming this summer… IT’S GOING TO BE AWESOME

      • zipduck

        A ton of people saw that coming. Ya’ll just thought we were wrong.

        • fanboy fagz

          We all saw it coming for 7 years. It was obvious.

        • “Saw that coming” maybe but there were no leaks or reasonable rumors that said that was going to be matter of fact, and basically inevitable – of course there would be a new pro DX body at SOME point, you and everyone else did not know when or how, at all.
          Seems pretty tight lipped to me.

      • There were some reports about the D500 before the announcements, but in general you are right.

      • I had already sold my D800 backup camera just a week before these rumours appeared and the second hand price dropped a couple of hundred. What was great was that a few days after these rumours of the replacement surfaced, an unusually large number of D810s came on to the used market… Just in time… ¥141,000 for a <1000 shot, mint D810. Thank you very much!

        • silmasan

          Damn that’s a pretty nice deal. How’s the shipping and what about the language barrier, have you had any problem with that?

          • Sorry for the hideous delay… I just spotted your question…
            Actually, I am a permanent resident in Japan (20 years and counting.) So I picked it up myself from Akihabara.
            Let the know if you ever need something shipping or advice on Japanese…. Anything for a fellow photog…

            • silmasan

              OK thanks 🙂

      • T.I.M

        Better be available for May 25th

  • HotDuckZ

    With Power-zoom?

  • Wilson

    Just had someone double ring my back door bell, I think they were scouting for a break in, got my monopod extended to 8 feet and went out to check the yard, no luck but I was fully ready to go Donatello on his ass

    • Scott M.

      Put a ball head on it and then you can really do something with it.

      • Wilson

        I have a two axis aluminum head on it already and I also spun out the foot spike for extra weaponization lol

        • Mikycoud

          I’d just use a good old 500mm f4 p, zoomed and focused all the way in for extra reach, and, if you really feel angry, also attach the lens hood.

      • This is new school.

    • silmasan

      I’d use my stainless steel vacuum ext. tube when at home though, because it feels more badass and I think it’s cheaper to replace (if it needs it at all!).

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      What you want to do is attach a heavy ball head, but not extend it. If it’s about 50cm long it makes a perfect, fast, agile yet efficent mace, with short recovery time. Great for indoors use by people of a smaller statue. Allegedly. So I’ve been told. You didn’t hear this form me. I’m innocent of grievous self defence.

      • Bogen 3016. 1.3lbs, very sturdy – holds 22lbs of camera steady. Very Cheap – $10-30, SOLID, extends 63 inches in case someone decides to invade your personal peace with a sword, and when collapsed 25 inches, looks innocuous enough to be a walking stick or monopod, but without a ball head it makes a fantastic baton – with a Sirui ball head attached I’d rather fight a bear with it than a hunting knife.
        Cannot recommend enough, when I film in certain areas it is a must have. You know, for extra camera(owner) stability…

        • Julian

          Next time the FBI are investigating a spate of monopod / tripod murders I know where they should look first 😉

        • TheInconvenientRuth

          A bit big for me, my ‘camera support’ of choice is currently a Sirui T-2004XL with the E-20 ballhead set up into monopod conversion.

        • silmasan

          Can confirm. Got a really good deal on a used Sirui K-40x ballhead (0.7 kg / 1.54 lb). Fit for.. um, ‘self-sustenance’ purposes.

  • PI

    If this new 70-300 FX lens is anything like as good as the astonishing new DX version, it will be a winner.

    • Eric Calabros

      Hope it has VR button.

      • Fanie Kuhn

        If it has best performance at 300mm, it will fill a big gap in the market.

        • DaveyJ

          No way that Fannie Kuhn is WHAT we do need! Why that range zoom can’t achieve sharpness at 300mm is a mystery to me. That is exactly where it needs to shine.

          • Fanie Kuhn

            It’s Fanie btw, pronounced Farnie, nickname in Afrikaans for Stefanus. Your spelling of Fannie is losing me big man-points!

    • DaveyJ

      I own five 70-300s. If you regard the new VR vetsion as astonishing I think your criteria is very different than mine. We bought two…..tested them extensively, now they sit in gear bags in case we ever need a small, light lens that requires tons of light to produce anything. It is my single least favorite 70-300. The stepper motor just means you can’t run it with a camera like D3200, sure would not be using it on a D500! What they need to do is produce such a lens that is not so soft above 250mm!

  • Shutterbug

    Another lens without M/A-A switch? :-/

    • Eskil Ginman

      I have a AF-M switch on my camera. I don’t need another one on the lens.

      • Shutterbug

        Yes, you have one on your camera for the in-body AF-drive. That doesn’t make the lens switch obsolete.
        You’ll have to go into the menu in order to change (lens driven) AF and VR with all current AF-P lenses.

        Even if they manage to let you change the lens AF with the body switch: What about the VR and what about the users who can’t afford a D7000 or above?

        • Eskil Ginman

          No, setting the AF-M switch to M disables AF regardless if the motor is in the lens or not.

          D3X00 and D5X00 users have do dive into the menus, but that is how entry level cameras work. They don’t have all the buttons the semi-pro cameras have.

          • Since the focus is electronic and not direct drive, turning off the body focus may well disable manual focus, too… Not sure if it does or not, though.

  • silmasan

    Yeah, what if it’s really a good improvement like their recent lens releases?

    • Pat Mann

      It’ll automatically update your firmware, bring up all the lens options
      on your touch screen, ask which button, slider or joystick you want them assigned to and what you want the button text to say in what color, give you access to your email, install the Nikon Rumors app on your camera, and give you a call to tell you what it’s done. This is the new SnapBridge.

      • Member

        Is Nikon going to produce the Samsung Galaxy S9?

      • silmasan

        Heh. But that reminds me of Canon’s latest 70-300 which has an LCD … wondering if Nikon intends to one up Canon… by offering one in full sRGB color! (or at least pink backlight…)

        • what? A lens with an LCD? I know the Sigma 500-800 had one….

          • silmasan

            Did you mean the 200-500 f/2.8? Though I wouldn’t notice that little feature if you hadn’t mentioned it. 😀

  • Jon S

    YAWN…. Nikon where is the D850?? in the D500 body?

    • DaveyJ

      Nikon sells more 70-300 lens than it will D850s but it will also be a very useful lens for the D850 average owner.

      • Hans J

        No-one should be buying a 70-300, the D850 will change the face of Nikon.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    About time! The current one is very long in the tooth, with noisy VR, sticky zoom barrell and not sharp enough at the long end.

    • Pat Mann

      It was pretty good on the D70, though. I agree it’s time for an update, and if this comes out as good as the DX ones, good for Nikon.

  • Ashraf Al-hujaili

    i hate this stupid zoom range
    i think nikon should release a 100-400 lens
    and ditch this stupid 70-300

    • That’s why Nikon has a 80-400 lens.

      • Ashraf Al-hujaili

        and it’s 2700 $ while sigma has new 100-400 for 800$ !

        • Sigma is a 6.3 lens. I don’t know the actual math behind 1/3 stops of aperture. But it seems producing 6.3 lens seems to be much easier compared to 5.6.

          • Steven Thomas

            And in reality you’re not going to notice a third of a stop difference.

            • Well, that’s a different subject. I was saying usually 6.3 lenses are cheaper than 5.6.

        • silmasan

          and it’s 2700 $

          Nope. It’s $2300. Just checked it on amazon.

        • Mansgame

          The Nikon lens is a gold ring lens. It’s a “slow” lens but the image quality, focus speed, and built is superb. I no longer needed a 70-200 lens so I essentially got two lenses for the price of one without losing much as I don’t need a f/2.8 in that range.

          With the Sigma, good luck. I, unlike their guerrilla marketers on these sites am not sold on the idea that Sigma is somehow as good as Nikon lenses. They burned me before and it’s “never again” for me.

          I’ve owned the Nikon as soon as it came out and it’s been one of my favorite lenses from birding to taking pictures of city skylines from miles away which I could never do before. And they do have price specials from time to time.

        • Steven Thomas

          That sigma fills a real gap in the market. I think that will be a big seller. Sigma thinking outside the box again.

      • DaveyJ

        Which costs at least twice what it should. Actually optically it is a more expensive range to build. So the 80-400VR new one is already out and doesn’t need fixing. I have had times the 70mm end of the lens saved the day and got impressive highly published photos.

    • 1741

      What’s stupid about it other than not fitting your personal requirements

      • Ashraf Al-hujaili

        since you mention this , i’ll tell you why , first this zoom range is not for pros who usually have 24-70 and 70-200 , it’s for amatures who usually have 18-140 or 18-105
        so why start the zoom range from 70? when they mostly have it covered !!
        this is why i call it stupid , if it’s 100-400 amatures and maybe even pros will own it , since some pros want more reach but liggt wieght
        get my point now ?

        • 1741

          Having an overlap on the zoom range is a good thing as it means you don’t have to change lenses quite as often if you only have one body, also cameras are more than good enough to crop so for amature’s it suits them as you said it’s not a pro lens, it’s designed to a size and price for amatures, your knocking a very popular lens simply because it doesn’t do what you want when there are lenses that fit what you require

        • DrNo666

          I would say that you are talking about Dx and not Fx. For Fx Nikon offers 3 option in each category: wide, normal and tele. So the budget guy will go with 17-35, 24-85 and 70-300
          The semi pro with: 16-35, 24-120, 70-200 all f4
          The pro with: 14-24,24-70,70-200 all f2.8

          they even have this system for superteles: 200-500, 80-400 and 200-400.

          Then of course all fx lenses works fine on dx but that is just extra.

        • Max

          You are saying that this zoom range is stupid because it is for amateurs. Why does that make it stupid?

          Secondly I would say it is amateurs who want more reach and lighter weight, whereas pros go out prepared for exactly what they are going to shoot.

          • Allen_Wentz

            He said it was stupid because he thought the amateurs who would buy it already had the 70mm range covered, and that the “amateurs who want more reach and lighter weight” that you reference would be better served by 100-400mm. I agree.

        • Stuart Crowther
    • Eskil Ginman

      To me 70-300 mm is ideal. It picks up where lenses like 24-70 mm and 16-80 mm ends. If you want longer there is both 80-400 mm and 200-500 mm.

      • My FX Light travel kit consists of

        D810
        20mm 2.8
        24-85 VR
        70-300 VR

        I may throw in the nifty fifty if I need fast or the 85 1.8 if I think I’m going to be shooting night portraits.

        My Light AF full pack consists of:
        D3200
        8-16 Sigma
        16-85 VR
        70-300 VR
        I’ll swap the 8-16 for two primes: 35 1.8 DX and 85 1.8 if I’m going to be shooting at night.

        The only thing I dislike about these sets is that the 70-300 loses it at 200+ Otherwise they are pretty much spot on for a day in the streets / out with the family…

        If this new lens fixes that, I’ll trade up to whatever DX D3x00 body is required to run AF-P.

    • Pat Mann

      I agree that Nikon should look seriously at the new Sigma, which comes in right at a sweet spot as a budget wildlife lens for those who can’t quite step up to the 200-500, or want something more compact. However, I find 70-300 to be a great range and much more compact than a potential 100-400 (though a 100-400 at 6.3 can be about as small as a 70-300 f/5.6). It was just the lens that was outdated by the progress in the cameras, requirements for video, etc.

  • Hans Bull

    Preludes new FX bodies, as no current FX camera can use it.

    • zipduck

      good catch

    • Davo

      New consumer FX? The 70-300’s aimed at the consumer end of the market.

      • ZoetMB

        That’s the conundrum. It seems like a consumer zoom. But what body is it really for? So it’s either for the D610 with a firmware update or they’re releasing a D620. That would make sense because there was a D610 bundle that included the 70-300VR (and a 24-85). Or are they really going to surprise us and the 7300 or 7500 is actually going to be FX?

        If there’s no new body for it, then there has to be a firmware upgrade for current cameras unless it’s already in the firmware as Sawyerspadre below implies.

        • Allan

          I think DX 16-80mm F2.8-4E ED V was released months before they released the D500. I’ll be surprised if the camera to be released is not an updated D610 (D650; D620 sounds too much like D610).

    • Sawyerspadre

      Unless it’s in firmware that we are not aware of….

      • manattan

        The D810 and D750 will work with the AF-P lenses, so it is not necessarily a harbringer of a new FX camera. However, if Nikon was smart they would introduce a retro type body that can do 4K video and take advantage of the faster live view focusing the AF-P lenses are capable of.

    • sandy

      I think the newer ones will, work just can’t turn off VR without a firmware patch.

  • Lots of negative comments but not everyone can afford the expensive teles. If this is a t a decent price I’m sure it will sell well, especially if it has improved af speed and sharpness on the long end. Intrigued by the dx version though, probably won’t compete with the fx vr version for speed.

  • Aldo

    I’ll wait for the f5.6-8 maybe it’s cheaper

  • Max

    So is this the first AF-P lens for FX?

    • Thom Hogan

      Yes.

  • Eskil Ginman

    Even though I have a D7100 I would never buy the AF-P 70-300 mm DX. Not with a plastic mount. Never. The AF-S 80-400 mm would be ideal, but is too damn expensive and also quite a bit larger. This new 70-300 mm is exactly what I’ve been waiting for.

    • Jim Huang

      What’s wrong with the plastic mount? I mean the depth of field should be enough even if the mount got slightly decentered

      • Erick Tessier

        I don’t think the issue is precision (or lack of) but toughness. Plastic mounts break easily (BUT if the mount breaks it saves the lens since it’s so easy to find/replace. Lower end lenses with metal mounts tend to break inside the lens (the screws of the mount strip the fillets or badly break the structure) which is worse than a broken mount).

        I would prefer a plastic mount for a lower end lens like those 70-300 AF-P.

        • Thom Hogan

          1. I’ve seen no documentation that says plastic is better than metal, that metal is better than plastic, nor that one metal is better than another in terms of lens mount.

          2. Nikon designs mounts to break (as do Canon and others). Specifically, they use very short screws that are designed to be the weak point. Easier to repair a mount and the collar it screws to than other parts on the lens.

      • Eskil Ginman

        It is not. I got real problems with my 18-105 after about one year of use because the mount was worn down and become loose. It could work for small light lenses like the 18-55 mm that in most cases is the only lens, but not for teles and not for lenses that are changed often.

    • Eugene O

      No reason to buy AF-P lenses to D7100, since they aren’t compatible with old bodies.

      • Eskil Ginman

        In what way would it not be compatible? VR can’t be turned off? Big deal. If it is sharper than the AF-S 70-300 and not bigger or heavier I’ll buy it.

  • Eric Calabros

    Soon in DPR forum: AF-P 70-300 FX or AF-P 70-300 DX for D7500?

  • Eric Calabros

    Off topic:
    Nikon filled a patent for a dual layer light field sensor
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2017051876

    • So is that a stacked array then, big increase in light sensitivity? Is that what the A7SII is doing, because I would buy a low res high iso SII Nikon equivalent in a nano coated second.

    • I am still slacking, I need to get on this…

      • Eric Calabros

        We need someone​ who can help to translate, some part of the text is not well understandable with google. The guy named as Inventor seems serious about light field tech. Whether Nikon can make it happen is another story, but the number of recent patents that include dual absorption layer indicates they’re onto something.
        Also look at this one. A very long patent mostly about CDAF (note Thom reports live view AF has improved dramatically in D3400), but in a stacked sensor Sony recently announced which has memory and processing chip beneath pixels, that gonna perform a big part of AF calculations before sending the signal to CPU, resulting faster and less hunting focus:
        https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2017057267

        • The same patent should be available in English as well. Maybe it takes a while to go trough the system.
          Peter

  • MB

    So Nikon will now have 3 low cost AF-P 70-300 lenses, cheesy plastic DX VR and not VR one and this FX hopefully not so cheesy plastic one …
    And this is called fundamental company-wide restructuring and focus on “high-value” … how?

    • Eric Calabros

      You think they decided to make this two weeks ago?

      • MB

        You think they decided to cancel DL a day before they did? Or to announce restructuring plan in a week? I think they lost track a long time ago … otherwise they would never produce such a lame lenses such as AF-P 70-300 DX …

        • Eric Calabros

          Yes, canceling a product takes only one day.. it takes only one word. (They were even updating their websites with new content about DL).. But making a lens? Maybe 18 months. However, even after a true restructuring, a DX 70-300 should receive Ok from top. At only $350 its now one​ of the high price/performance ratio lenses in DX line up.

          • If you’re daddy and you’re gonna buy that second lens this is gonna be it. Unless you’re hipsterdad, a large amount of those lower end DSLRs aren’t going to be seeing much other than the kit lens. All about those high volume sales…

      • Thom Hogan

        Exactly. Lenses take about three years from concept to finished product. And once you’ve committed to the glass I don’t think you’re going to cancel.

        Moreover, Nikon needs this lens. The old 70-300mm simply can’t keep up with the sensors, it shows clear optical weakness at high pixel density much like the old 18-200mm did.

        • Even better they are taking the long end of these lenses and doing their best to make sure that when you’re at the stops it is still a clear image. At the farthest tele end of both those lenses performance is less than desirable having tested them both extensively for forensics – this is frustrating from an operational standpoint where I work, it causes quality control issues. Thankful cheap kit lenses are getting so good, means if someone bring me a back a picture it’s less likely to be a blurry mess and instead actionable Intel.

        • Spy Black

          The 18-200 DX? That thing sucks at any pixel density.

        • No kidding. I don’t need that kind of reach that often, so I haven’t invested a lot in this range. But, I loaned my 70-300mm f/4-5.6G to someone two years ago and haven’t gotten around to getting it back.

    • DrNo666

      This upgrade makes sense. Keeping the line up in shape. However the two new dx 70-300 lenses made no sense at all considering that they already had the 55-300mm dx.

      • Hans Bull

        They need it for mirrorless DX w/ F-mount

      • Pat Mann

        By all reports, the new lenses are worthy of the D500 for AF speed and image quality, and they’re extremely light and compact to boot. While we need other DX lenses desperately (fast wide primes, please), I welcome the VR version of the DX 70-300, probably to the point of purchasing one for my compact travel kit.

        • manattan

          They did NOT design the new 70-300 AFP DX lens for the D500. That is a slow lens; remember that the D500 requires f4 or faster aperture to fully activate all the AF points. If anything the DX 70-300 was designed for consumers who want to dabble in video and stills without carrying a lot of weight. Nikon’s own words: “the AF-P DX NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3G ED VR is an ideal choice for video recording and stills even when handheld.”

          • Pat Mann

            I’m sure they designed it for newer DX cameras in general, including the D500. I just think that the faster AF and better resolution to make the new lenses more appropriate and compatible with the D500 operating speed and resolution than both the previous DX 55-300 zoom and the previous 70-300 VR. This new FX lens will put another confusion into the mix, and my own decision on what to include with my compact travel kit will depend on how light and compact this lens is as well as how it performs – if it’s similar in weight and bulk to the current 70-300 VR, I might pick the DX lens.
            If you’re referring to which D500 focus points are available as cross sensors, that varies with the lens, not just the maximum aperture, according to the manual (p 98-100 in mine) Most of the f/4 lenses that do not support all cross sensors are long telephoto primes or zooms with f/4 maximum aperture. While there are specific exceptions, in general, the manual indicates that prime lenses or zooms with f/4 or faster at maximum focal length will use all 99 cross sensors, while lenses f/5.6 or slower and non-AF-S lenses will use only the central vertical band of 45 cross sensors. The cross sensor selection (and the total number of usable sensors) is further reduced by tele extenders.

    • El Aura

      Note that Nikon ‘always’ had two short-tele-to-300-mm lenses, one DX one and one FX one. Main thing they have done now, is to throw in a cheap non-VR version (and make the DX one cheaper to produce by letting it start at 70 instead of 55 mm).

      But then Nikon also had cheaper non-VR versions of their 18-55 mm and 55-200 mm lenses.

      • MB

        Noted …
        But note that Nikon is doing bad and business is going down without any indication of recovering by itself … so Nikon should do something about it …
        And doing the same things as always will not make anything better even if done right, on a contrary … as someone said: “Doing the the things right is not the same as doing the right things”, and spending time and resources on reiterating the same low margin and no profit products like 3 versions of 70-300 is certainly not the right to do at least not in this time and day …
        I am just saying that DX versions should never been released and I do not buy the story that Nikon was not aware of reality at the time of release …

        • Pat Mann

          These are probably the most common second lens bought by DX users, and are in every 2-lens kit. They are probably the biggest sellers after the midrange kit zooms, and the VR versions with the faster AF will make this lens much more usable and useful with the newer high-resolution DX cameras. Definitely a good decision by Nikon to renew these lenses.

          • MB

            Nope … the most common second lens bought by DX users is … no lens at all … 80% or more DX users never buy a second lens ever …
            Very few 18-55 users that do buy a second lens go for 150$ 55-x00 vr … some for 200$ 55-300 … other than that … pretty much nothing …
            18-145 DX users that do go for a second lens mostly long for FX so they go for current 450$ 70-300 VR FX … but they are not too happy about it … they would much rather have 100-400 or something like that … actually Nikon has very stiff competition in Tamron 70-300 VC, great lens at even lower 300$ price …
            Occasionally some enthusiastic young fellow go for 35mm/1.8 DX … and it is sometimes possible to persuade them to buy 50mm/1.8 FX … you know … for portraits etc …
            But no one is buying DX 70-300 … VR or not … especially if they do get their hands on that cheap and lousy plastic thing Nikon has put up …

  • Davo

    What if the new ultra wide angle’s also an AF-P lens. They already announced the anniversary f2.8 trio with the old 14-24/2.8. Maybe F-mount mirrorless is indeed coming?

  • DrNo666

    I actually own this lens but never liked it. It was my first telelens which i bought to my D40. Later i started to shoot with 28-300 and now its 70-200/2.8.

    Its no surprise that this version is being upgraded. This and 14-24mm and the 200-400mm are the current FX zooms that seem to be quite old and should be upgraded simply for maintainance reason.

    Personally, it is completely uninteresting for me and i would rather had seen something else. But it is completely understandle that Nikon want to keep everything in their lineup up to date.

    On the prime side there are some lenses to update as well: 14, 16, 135, 180, 200 micro is extremely old. But i would guess that 300/2.8 will be the next lens they decide to turn into an E version and introduce some FL technology in it.

    • silmasan

      The 17-35/2.8 is even older than the 14-24!

      • DrNo666

        Yes but that lens has already been replaced. Not by an exact match but by the 16-35/4. Some upgrades will simply be a completely new lens.

        • DrNo666

          If you wish to buy wide angle fx zoom…Nikon offer its customers 3 options in 3 different price categories 17-35, 16-35 and the 14-24mm.

          • MB

            Dont forget 18-35 …

            • DrNo666

              Sorry i meant 18-35 not 17-35

        • silmasan

          Canon has their own 16-35/4L IS AND they’ve released the 16-35/2.8L III. That’s in addition to the new 11-24/4L. I think Nikon is currently stronger in the tele range, but in the wide range, Canon totally outperforms Nikon. Oh, and the 35/1.4L II. Seriously, the last three lenses I mentioned are benchmark items.

          • DrNo666

            i dont own a Canon so why should i care about that?

            • silmasan

              As you said

              it is completely understandle that Nikon want to keep everything in their lineup up to date

              Part of the reason is exactly because of their competition. Anyway I was just going to give you example of why a 16-35/4 isn’t a replacement to a f/2.8 counterpart.

            • Pat Mann

              They indicate what’s possible, and in some cases encourage a Nikon user to buy both a Canon camera and a Canon lens rather than another Nikon camera or lens. Too many examples like this and a significant number jump ship altogether.

    • 14-24mm is fine, do you use one on FX?
      It’s fine. Making it better should be low priority because there are plenty of other Nikons with much lower sharpness, edge performance, chromatic aberration, etc. If a 50-60 megapixel back dropped tomorrow that lens would still be able to keep up it’s razor sharp wide open.

      There are much much better lenses to update.

      • DrNo666

        i agree with u that other lenses should be a priority. but 24-70 and 70-200 just upgraded and their predessors were not bad. so doing a complete holy trinity upgrade wouldnt surpise me.

        personally i want to see some more pf technology

      • Pat Mann

        Agreed. The 17-35 needs to be reborn as a 16-35 f/2.8 with stellar performance rivaling the new Canon. That’s something I can get behind. I’d even take it as a 17-35, but Nikon needs to stop dropping the MTF off the chart to the right on these lenses, at least once they’re stopped down.

  • Spy Black

    I guess they’re deliberately trying to look bad…

    • Jeffry De Meyer

      It is a very popular lens, makes sense they release a cheaper version err newer and better version made in China

      • Pat Mann

        Let me go out on a limb here. It won’t be cheaper.

        • Jeffry De Meyer

          Yes, well it will be, just not for us.

          • Pat Mann

            Sorry. Sometimes humor involving the many complex meanings of English words is just too advanced for me. But I got it. It will be a cheaper lens, but will be more expensive. Got it.

  • Chewbacca

    This will be great for newly weds on vacation seeking out that elusive baby eating ice cream shot. The husband might be able to cram this missile is his pocket, carry his baby on his chest in one of those baby harnesses, carry his 20 pounds of full frame gear in his backpack along with snacks, water etc., pick up a new sling strap for his camera so that it’s not hitting his kid in the noggin while walking and be ready for that decisive moment.

  • AYWY

    If it is ~200g lighter than the older version it will be an attractive option. Nikon’s own 28-300mm already performs relatively well in comparison in the same focal range.

    As another astute reader pointed out, this is an entry-level FX lens. So D610 successor on the way?

  • TheInconvenientRuth

    I can barely contain my indifference…

  • Mansgame

    The old 70-300 is pretty decent and a good price. If this is just an update and the same price, great. If it’s another $1000 lens then it’s kind of lame. How about a good body instead? I have money to spend and want to upgrade my D610.

  • Craig John

    Glad to see Nikon hasn’t forgotten about the generally disappearing DSLR photography consumer.

  • Shutterbug

    Funny reading all the negative comments. How dare Nikon release a lens that you aren’t interested in, as if you’re their only customer. The old 70-300 was a good lens in it’s day but is long in the tooth – I think this is a great refresh and I look forward to it.

    • The outrage is mildly baffling, is this entitlement?

      • Shutterbug

        How on earth do you get to “outrage” from “funny” haha. I can’t even….

        Anyways, maybe you just misunderstood me because looking at your other replies it seems you agree with me:

        “People below complaining about this lens are likely not the intended end user”

        Can we be friends now?

        • Yeah totally not you, lots of irritated comments below and soon to be elsewhere if this hasn’t been posted in other places.
          I’m with you it’s ancient so to the speak in the arena it competes in.

    • Adam Brown

      The negative is that it shows Nikon is focused in all the wrong places. If this lens is good for you, great, go buy it.
      But for pros and enthusiasts, this lens won’t do anything but generate a yawn.
      For the dying consumer market, this lens won’t make much of an impact on any potential buyers.

      • jstevez

        Nikon is updating their lenses so they work better for taking video, but somehow you think that’s a negative. Nikon can’t win.

        • Adam Brown

          It is a negative, because it is only consumer lenses….. It does nothing to provide better video for any professional glass, or anybody owning older lenses.
          The video improvement has to come in the body — so that it can be used with all lenses.

          • jstevez

            LOL…..

      • iamlucky13

        Nikon has overemphasized the 18-XXX superzooms and cheap telephotos, but that’s probably largely a different set of designers than those working on the pro lenses.

        The 70-300 sits in between. It’s not really a casual consumer product – too big and expensive. It’s for budget-minded hobbyists, who have seen very little new other than the 16-80 almost 2 years ago and the 24-85 FX.

        The consumer market is being hurt by market saturation and the improving performance of smartphones. A lot of that is beyond Nikon’s control. The hobbyist market is being hurt at least a much by neglect.

        The 70-300 has probably been one of their top selling lenses because of its price/performance and the fact that it works well on both DX and FX. But what looked good on 6 MP cameras doesn’t look that great on 24 MP cameras.

    • Jaroslav Charvát

      How many current cameras do actually fully support AF-P lenses?

      • Adam Brown

        And how many full frame cameras…

      • Eskil Ginman

        At least D5, D810, D500, D7200, D7100, D3300 and D3400. Probably the latest D5X00 as well.

    • Mirrorless Sucks

      Photographers are such dramatic creatures.

  • Ric of The LBC

    Take that Cannon!

  • sandy

    Nikon probably sells 10 affordable lens for every one pro or semi pro pieces of glass. I recently picked up the new 18-55 PF on a whim ($95) for my D7100, great little lens, incredibly silent. The new 70-300 will be a welcome addition to the line up, especially if improved at the long end. Now about the other three…

    • Štefan Podolinský

      There is already very good Nikkor 70-300mm AF-P VR DX for your D7100. Very nice choice for that price and weight…

      • Harold Bartlett

        I know, but I have a D750 too, might as well get the FF model. Plus it’s faster.

      • Quoting Thom Hogan:
        “The big surprise is that the new AF-P focus motor is very snappy and nearly silent. Given the low price of this lens and the performance of the older 55-200mm and 55-300mm DX zooms, I was expecting the 70-300mm to be in the same range. Not even close. The new lens is clearly faster than the older DX telephoto zooms in bright light, even with the low end D3400 I was mostly testing it on. ”

        “For the price, this lens has to have what I’d call very good autofocus performance, and exactly what the casual consumer crowd would expect from a DSLR. You mirrorless folk don’t have any combo yet that’s (a) inexpensive, (b) goes to 450mm equivalent, and (c) has snap-to-focus like the D3400 and 70-300mm AF-P combo. Just watch your use of line sensors in very low light indoors.”

        AF-P for Prezident.

  • Two things –
    – AF-P + new Af module + new D3/5/7xxx
    = D500 lite for soccer mom/dad crowd, at low price point.

    – New AF-P will bundle perfectly for two lens kit combo, sell like hotcakes and turbocharge low end DSLR performance.

    AF performance trickle down will be used to market this new generation of Nikon gear, inherent speed advantage compared to mirrorless probably a sizable selling point, ie “take a picture of your fidgety kid with our new AF and lenses, you will nail it”.

    People below complaining about this lens are likely not the intended end user
    If they had dropped a 70-300mm f2.8-4 I would be real impressed, would buy instantly to drop 4.5lbs from my bag.
    This AF-P effort likely didn’t take much, improved elements for higher res and a different motor shape, low risk project with high sales and volume.

    • Adam Brown

      Umm no. Soccer moms aren’t going to rush out to buy new kits because of AF-P lenses. The lenses will really only be faster AF in live-view mode, and still not as fast as a proper phase detect mirrorless. I shoot with Nikon dSLR and Sony A6300 — In terms of pure speed when shooting those fidgety kids, my A6300 is faster than any other camera I’ve ever used.

      But anyway… no, this won’t move the needle in the consumer market. “Come buy brand new AF-P kits, so that our live view still isn’t as good as Canon and Sony, but it is better than it used to be!”

      • Soccer mom is gonna buy the two lens kit combo with their D3300 at Christmas. This one being FX will likely be paired with the next generation lowest end FX body, which will likely have 4k, wifi, etc, because the bottom line is they can’t drop a consumer oriented body without the accouterments people have in their cellphones now. I’ve seen people who aren’t into photography buy those D610s and D750s, simply because they don’t want to look like a DX pleb.

        • Adam Brown

          In the viewfinder, it works just like any other lens. The advantage is faster focusing in live view, where Nikon is pathetically behind the competition — it can use contrast detect AF more effeciently.

          And this Christmas, those soccer moms will be buying new iPhones. Not new cameras at all.

          • Read the Thom Quote below. The new AF-P lenses are dramatically faster and ” You mirrorless folk don’t have any combo yet that’s (a) inexpensive, (b) goes to 450mm equivalent, and (c) has snap-to-focus like the D3400 and 70-300mm AF-P combo.”

            I don’t think you are aware of what AF-P will do for the consumer – faster focus in all situations, Thoms AF-P DX tele review shows this.

            • Adam Brown

              I’ve seen his reviews — In terms of the OVF, it is a little faster than the older 70-300… the real difference is the stepper motor, which makes it more efficient in live view. In terms of OVF, it’s an improvement, but it doesn’t suddenly become any better than the professional lenses I’m already using.
              As to the Thom quote you’re using, it is outdated — Yes, there is now a 70-300 for Sony mirrorless, and yes, it is entirely snappy autofocus. But in terms of (a) — it’s true, not inexpensive.

            • Holy $hit snacks that is outrageously expensive $1000 for no OSS/VR and 4.5-5.6?!?!
              That’s really unfair, I’d own an A7SII if it made sense and stuff like that doesn’t make sense.
              I know low volume hurts Sonys glass costs but this shouldn’t be a low volume lens. 30-40% too much especially without stabilization, and don’t say IBIS will cut it the GM 70-200 has it and less mm…

              Is Tamron/Sigma making these Sony bodies a more realistic proposition now? Because I can’t see myself using Sony glass.

            • Adam Brown

              Where do you get that it has no OSS/VR??
              Yes it does. Now, it’s $1200 — As I said, it’s not cheap.
              But considering the quality, it is priced competitively. The Canon 70-300L is $1350
              Unfortunately, Nikon doesn’t have a 70-300 that is as good as the Canon 70-300L or the Sony 70-300G.

            • Mr_Miyagi

              Agree with your comments on the A6300 and the Sony 70-300mm, which I own (along with the very snappy 70-200mm f/4 G). For shooting a relatively slow sport like surfing, the Sony is every bit as fast and nearly as sharp as my D7200 with the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II or the 80-400mm G VR II. And I can shoot the Sony all day handheld without the fatigue I get from carrying my heavier Nikon gear. That said, I still love the pictures from my DSLR, especially in low light, so I am in no rush to get rid of it any time soon, especially if Nikon releases an upgrade to the FX 70-300mm lens, which is one of the three lenses I normally carry when I’m out shooting with the D7200.

            • Adam Brown

              Agreed… like you, it’s why I have feet in both camps.
              But for me…. the A6300 is my “go anywhere” camera…. also my casual camera, and often my daylight sports camera. (which I don’t do a ton of, since my son stopped playing baseball and I don’t do any professional work there). It’s also my video camera.

              For me, it’s my D750 that is my pro camera, for my professional portraits (partially because of the glass I have for it). It is my preferred camera for landscapes, but I’ll use the A6300 for that purpose when traveling.

              There are definite differences between the systems. But the AF speed is practically a non-factor…. quick and snappy on both. When shooting casually, I prefer the AF on the A6300 — it is better in the fidgety kids scenario due to the eye-AF and face detect.

          • If you’re shooting fidgety kids in live view I cannot help you. Optical Viewfinder or bust. ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶

            • Adam Brown

              On Nikon, you better use the OVF. On Canon or Sony, the live view can be better for those fidgety kids.

          • BVS

            Yes, but the motor is noticeably faster that the one in other consumer lenses (e.g. 18-140), so through the viewfinder focusing benefits as well.

            • Adam Brown

              Yes, compared to older consumer lenses. But that’s not going to be a night and day difference, especially if you’re used to better lenses.

          • Gregory Roane

            Live View for shooting still shots is crap. Period. You are trying to hold a 3.5 lb block of magnesium, glass, and polycarbonate out in front of you – almost at arm’s length – steady while you hit the spray and pray button on top.

            My wife, whom I adore, is as “soccer mom” as they come, and is camera literate enough to prefer the viewfinder – even the EVF on her P900 – to the live view on anything we own, if a good shot is what she wants (and who wants anything less?)

            The only live view used in our house, ever, is on our son’s N1 J3 and only because an EVF is not offered. And even on that tiny, featherweight thing, the shaky-cam blur is noticeable, especially on shots 3+ in a 6 shot burst.

            You just cannot hold anything out in front of you steadily for any length of time, I don’t care who you are. If you could, camera makers would have nixed the viewfinder decades ago.

            If you want to shoot live-view, shoot a 6s+ or 7s and shoot video only. With live view, chances are all of your shots will be “moving picutes” anyway.

            • Adam Brown

              Camera makers didn’t nix the viewfinder because until recently, it was the best way to get TTL.

              I use a combination of live view and EVF shooting, about 50/50…. I resort to the EVF if there is glare. I use the live view because it lets me interact with my subjects better when I’m shooting, and let’s me shoot at different angles without climbing up on a ladder or getting down on my knees. Also use live view exclusively for street photography, as lets me be more subtle.

              Just a matter of having a camera with good live view shooting. Once you have it, you use it.

              Examples of shots taken with live view:
              (holding camera up high for better angle)
              [url=https://flic.kr/p/HdkDMX][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7678/27050259701_50629f927d_b.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/HdkDMX]DSC03209.jpg[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/]Adam Brown[/url], on Flickr

              (camera down low, using live view)

              [url=https://flic.kr/p/JGujFX][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7453/28025170101_1d37b3a2e4_b.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/JGujFX]Gringotts Banks[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/]Adam Brown[/url], on Flickr

              (camera low)

              [url=https://flic.kr/p/KPkETZ][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8640/28759054311_23c5d66b9d_b.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/KPkETZ]DSC04342.jpg[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/]Adam Brown[/url], on Flickr

              (for street photography where fast AF is critical in live view)

              [url=https://flic.kr/p/TmsjLJ][img]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2900/33705661146_744b90359c_b.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/TmsjLJ]Boots and fur at Grand Central[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/]Adam Brown[/url], on Flickr

      • I’ll bet money A D500 will eat that A6300 for shooting fidgety kids. Who else wants to agree to that?

        • Adam Brown

          I tried them both side by side, it’s why I stuck with the A6300– AF was faster and more reliable for casual shooting, especially with eye-AF of kids moving around. When shooting with the viewfinder, it’s close, but the A6300 has some compelling features. When shooting live view vs live view, which is great for fidgety kids as the kids can maintain eye contact on you, it isn’t close. I was getting AF with the A6300 in 0.04 seconds, while the D500 was taking 2-3 seconds.
          Don’t get me wrong — I love the D5/D500 AF system, and I’m hoping it goes into the D750 successor, in which case I’m likely to upgrade my camera.
          But the problem is, there is no AF-P 24-70/2.8, no AF-P 85/1.4, and no AF-P 70-200/4 or 70-200/2.8, meaning it still will be useless for live view shooting.

          • “8 fps continuous live view”
            Yeah…no. I need those 2 extra FPS. I’d take 20 if I could.

            • Adam Brown

              8? No… it’s 11fps…. I need that extra 1 fps over the D500…
              (Actually.. I don’t… anything in the 8-12 range is fine with me, but I can shoot at 11fps in live view on the A6300… there is a detriment to shooting at 11fps, that’s where you get Viewfinder lag. At 8fps, no viewfinder lag. But thanks to the face detect and eye-AF, I can shoot fidgety kids at 11fps even with VF lag. On the other hand, if I’m shooting birds in flight or sports, then I don’t want the VF lag, and resort to 8 fps). Unfortunately, the D500 is about 1fps in live view. )

          • Max

            Interesting. live view tracking and 3d aside, I have tested a D3300 and A6300 side by side and the D3300 is definitely faster with acquiring focus using single point af. Especially in indoors light.

            • Adam Brown

              It’s not just my experience — You can find many objective tests on the web, that show the A6____ line is among the fastest of any camera at acquiring focus.
              In terms of my own further experience, I teach a photography class. Among this semester’s students, we have 2 Nikon aps-c dSLRs (I believe a D3200 and a D5500)… 2 Canon Rebels (one pretty recent and one pretty old), and 2 Sony’s (a6000 and a6300). The Sony’s are consistently the fastest at getting AF, if all factors are equal. (in bad light, the camera with the widest aperture lens is getting the focus the fastest… in one case, where a Nikon had a prime lens and the Sony had a kit lens, the Nikon was much faster. In another instance where the Sony had a prime lens, and the Nikon had a consumer zoom, the Sony acquired focus instantly and the Nikon hunted without getting focus at all).

              http://www.techradar.com/sponsorship/sony-a6000-the-world-s-fastest-autofocus–1295788
              “The autofocus takes 0.06 seconds, which – at the time of writing – is the fastest of any APS-C camera ever made.”

              http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/sony-a6300-mirrorless-camera/

              https://www.slrlounge.com/great-mirrorless-camera-autofocus-shootout-worlds-fastest-autofocus/

              (Of note… in the class I teach, the number of Sony uses has been gradually increasing among these budding enthusiasts, while most of the Canons and Nikons I’m seeing are in the hands of retirees looking for a retirement hobby).

    • Max

      Isn’t a D7200 a D500 lite?

      Otherwise, making another series of bodies that fit in between D7xxx and D500 seems a bit crazy because there are already too many bodies. I think they should probably make fewer. Scrap the D3xxx for instance.

  • What cameras can use the P lenses again? I know my D60 and F100 are too old for em.

  • BVS
  • jstevez

    Huff!! I thought for a second that it was another 18-xx lens…

  • What cameras is AF-P compatible with?

    • Coolhand

      If it’s the same as the AF-P 18-55, the compatible cameras are:
      DX: D7200, D7100, D5600, D5500, D5300, D5200, D3400, D3300 and FX : D810, D750, Df

      But until firmware is updated you can only turn VR off on D5300, D5500, D5600 and D3300 and D3400. On all other cameras there no menu item to turn VR off, unless the new lens has a VR on/off switch

  • MichaelSNC

    Good. I have been wondering about this lens. I have also been wanting the 17-35 f2.8 to be upgraded. Both are good, but long in the tooth.

  • KnightPhoto

    It is significant to see that the AF-P technology is going to be introduced for FX lenses, To date we have only seen this on the two DX lenses,

    • Gregory Roane

      4 to date, if you count both versions (VR and non-VR). 🙂

  • This won’t be an “E” lens?

  • Eric A

    So is Nikon going to update everyone’s FX firmware in order to utilize this AF-P lens?

  • mike

    Nikon, where’s our af-p superzoom? 🙂

    • Frankly disappointed the new AF-S 70-200mm isn’t AF-P.
      I suppose that despite the amazing performance it would have, sales would be poor due to incompatibility with many DX/FX bodies.

  • James Jackson

    Actually really excited about this lens. Afp stepper motors are insanely fast, quite, and accurate. 5.6 vs 6.3 like the older afps, with switches. And if it’s anything like the other afps it will be ridiculously sharp.

  • Julian

    I still frequently use my old 70-300, its a solid performer even on a D800. My next purchase though is likely the 200-500 (that or the Sigma Sport – both priced the same here in Sweden).

  • I hope it is real, the FX lens

  • Alain

    This was a predictable update with the latest VR system I guess. I don’t think Nikon will turn it in a wonderfull lens! So, nothing to write home about!
    I hope this 70-300mm zoom is no part of the 5 announced new lenses!
    What about that 55-300mm f2.8-4 Nikon patented in 2012! This could be a great zoom if they ever launched it!

  • Max

    In my testing the Sony had the 16-50, the Nikon had the 35 g dx. So that could’ve played a big role. You are talking about shooting through the finder? Just hard to believe that the it could beat a dedicated phase detect module.

    • Adam Brown

      That obviously makes a huge difference. The prime-lens Nikon AF system is getting tremendously more light than a kit lens Sony. Need to test with equivalent lenses.
      And yes, as the AF on the Sony mirrorless has matured, it has surpassed traditional dedicated AF modules in many respects. (Not necessarily all respects.. but in many of them).
      The A6000 AF system is a bit behind the A7rii, while the A6300/6500 may be a bit better than the A7rii..
      So take a look at this article and testing, comparing the A7rii AF to Canon and Nikon full frame cameras:

      “And there you have it: when paired with bright lenses, the a7R II can match, and in our tests here even exceed, the low light performance of DSLRs known be the best in terms of low-light focus ability.”

      https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6884391759/sony-alpha-7r-ii-can-match-or-beat-dslr-low-light-af-performance

      Now getting to the issue I have with Nikon and the AF-P lenses….. it shows how far behind they are.
      First, let’s look outside the dSLR market. 5 years ago.. Sony saw the start of a decline in consumer P&S, so they re-defined the enthusiast P&S market with 1″ sensor cameras, the RX line up. Then about 2-3 years ago, Canon copied and successfully started selling some of those 1″ cameras. Nikon waited and waited — then they finally announced their DL 1″ cameras, which they then cancelled when they realized they were too late and too far behind.

      5+ years ago… Sony and Canon both tried ways to improve video and live view AF. Sony tried a couple avenues — SLT dSLRs and mirrorless, eventually really going full throttle into mirrorless. 5+ years ago, Nikon did nothing, just ignoring the issue. Canon tried STM lenses — Canon STM lenses are the same thing as Nikon AF-P lenses — lenses with stepper motors, that will work better with contrast AF systems.
      Canon first launched STM lenses in 2012 — Nikon started last year? So Nikon is 4 years behind Canon in stepper motor lenses.
      But now, Canon isn’t really focused on stepper motor lenses — THey realized that they were not an ideal solution to improving video and live view AF — So instead, Canon developed dual pixel AF. Meanwhile, Sony perfected “4d AF”/OSPDAF.
      So basically… 2012 — Canon does stepper motors, Sony does early mirrorless (also with stepper motors).. Nikon does nothing. 2015-2017 — Sony matures OSPDAF, fast even with lenses without stepper motors. Canon develops and matures dual pixel AF — fast and smooth on all their lenses, not just stepper motors. Meanwhile, Nikon finally starts doing stepper motors — So that puts Nikon about 3-5 years behind the competition. They are just now testing a solution, that Canon already tried and basically dumped years ago.

  • Carleton Foxx

    Stepping motor? Does that mean we’ll get a 4K full-frame video camera to go with it?

  • Pat Mann

    Great little system. So where is my Nikon 1 V4? (I’ll even take it as a V5, since we seem to be in the “5” generation on everything now.)

  • Raico Rosenberg

    Please Nikon if you’re going to upgrade your 70-300mm lenses do us landscapers a favour and at least give them the possibility to add a lens collar for extra stability… the Canon 70-300mm has this!

  • KellyVanRijn

    Yawn. Nothing earth shattering. Not a plan to play catch up with Canon.

  • Someone

    The motor in the AF-P lenses is AWESOME.

  • ValenzTa

    Any new news on the new 70-300?

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