What to expect next from Nikon


After the D850 announcement, it is time to update the list of expected Nikon cameras and lenses (see previous lists here):

Nikon has two new cameras that have already been registered with various government agencies but are not yet officially announced - N1546 and N1622 (both will be made in China). Here is a list of other recently annoucned Nikon cameras matched with their registartion/code number:

  • D850 - N1608 - WiFi, BT (SB)
  • D750 - N1404 - WiFi
  • D5500 - N1405 - WiFi
  • D7200 - N1406 - WiFi, NFC
  • D500 - N1501 - WiFi, BT (SB), NFC
  • D3400 - N1510 - BT (SB)
  • D5600 - N1538 - WiFi, BT (SB), NFC
  • D7500 - N1610 - WiFi, BT (SB)

BT: Bluetooth
NFC: Near Field Communication
SB: SnapBridge (uses BT or WiFi)

Thanks Silmasan for the list.

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  • APS-C Mirrorless by black friday..

    • Fly Moon

      Which year? 🙂

  • Hi Peter, you should update the “Buying guide” D7200, D810 and D750 are not up to date 🙂

    • I know, I am just behind (as usual) sorry…

      • Member

        Still doing a great job, thanks.

      • Thanks for the reply, take you Time, and be safe with the weater…

    • Oz Baz

      Give Peter a break! The guy works hi B.. off to bring us this great website

    • I updated the cameras, now I am doing the lenses… sorry for the delay.

  • Member

    The 200-400 f/4 lens must be a wonderful lens. But I would be happy if Nikon released a updated version of their great 200mm f/4 Micro Nikkor. I’m oké with f/4. Even happier with 300mm f/4 or f/5.6 Micro Nikkor

    • Rick Francis

      FWIW I bought as Tamron 180mm macro years ago and I’ve had a lot of fun with it. IQ is very good, auto focus is slow, MF is really a joy to use…

      • Member

        Yes I heard good things about that Tamron lens. Out of all the lenses I have only 2 are non Nikon lenses. Maybe that’s why I’m still waiting for an updated Micro Nikkor. I used to have a 200mm Micro Nikkor in the film days.

    • Elbert Jan Achterberg

      Totally agree an update to the 200 F/4 micro is long overdue, I just realized I have been using mine for about 20 years now. Image quality is excellent, but AF is Sloooow. An Af-S VR 180 2,8 E micro nikkor would be excellent!

      • Member

        To me it doesn’t necessarily need to be f/2.8 I’m oké with f/4 but modern coatings as well as super fast and accurate af are a must

        • Elbert Jan Achterberg

          For macro F/4 is fine, but f/2.8 would make it more useful as a general purpose lens, now I often carry both a 200mm micro and a 70-200 F/2.8. With a 180 F/2.8 macro I would often need only that lens

    • Would love a 300mm f/4 Micro.

      • Spy Black

        Stick a closeup extension ring behind a PF…

        • Member

          That or a Canon 500D close up filter in front of a PF. However that’s not the same you can’t focus to infinity without changing your setup.

          • Spy Black

            It’s a decent option if you need it.

        • jvossphoto

          Spy do you use the Kenko tubes?

          • Spy Black

            Yes.

      • Member

        Glad to know that I’m not the only one. Even if were f/5.6.

      • localmile

        Yep. Well f/2.8 for me. And FL. I want shallow DoF and great bokeh.

        • Member

          I fear at 300mm f/2.8 you won’t have any DoF while in macro use

          • Spy Black

            I use extension tubes on an old 300mm f/4.5 Nikkor and 400m Sigma macro and you’re not much better. Once you’re past 150.mm or so you don’t really have much DOF.

            • PhilK

              Get a D-850 and use focus-stacking. 😀

            • Spy Black

              As soon as the XQD-SD adapter is out, I’ll be on that…

            • PhilK

              Or whenever you get over your irrational and stubborn rejection of XQD. 😉

            • Spy Black

              My “rejection” of XQD is based on common sense. I don’t contest it’s technical capabilities, it proves itself perfectly well in that respect. I merely point out the reality of the lack of adoption of the medium in the FIVE YEARS it’s been available. Regardless of it’s capabilities, I don’t see it as a medium to invest in.

            • PhilK

              Considering the triviality of the cost of a couple of memory cards to the overall cost of the pursuit of photography (particularly if you are a pro or a very active amateur), I remain of the opinion that your rejection of XQD has little to do with common sense, and more to do with a stubborn philosophical stance that likely actually undermines your ability to make the most of your camera equipment. 😉

            • Spy Black

              Yes you’re correct, I’m “stubborn” to have a dead end format shoved down my throat.

    • El Aura
      • Member

        I had a 150mm f/2.8 ,non OS version, for a short while, but focusing problems scared me off.

  • animalsbybarry

    Late 2017 or Q1 of 2018 for the new Nikon mirrorless FF would be ideal for me because I will be doing my next upgrade spring 2018
    I will be able to compare the Nikon mirrorless, D850 and Sony A7Rii/A9 (if it is out) and decide which of these cameras I will be getting
    At this point I have absolutely no idea which one I will choose.

  • MB

    Oh mine …
    So it is D3500 and D650 then 🙂

  • jmb2560

    CES for the mirrorless would be my bet, with shipments in February; That would leave a couple of months before the end of the fiscal year.

  • TurtleCat

    What I’m hoping for is a 14mm 2.8 or 4.0 DX wide angle. I don’t expect it but I would love it. Also I would be interested in an updated 10.5 fisheye lens. A 55mm DX 1.4 would be a great portrait lens for me.

    Nikon likely won’t do any of these but I sure wish they would rethink it.

    • preston

      People have been asking for a wide angle DX prime for over a decade so I assume at this point Nikon doesn’t plan on making one – especially since they just updated their affordable 10-20mm wide angle zoom. And there is absolutely no way Nikon makes a 55mm DX lens when they already have an affordable 50/1.8 and semi-affordable 50/1.4. And if you want a professional f/1.4 portrait lens for DX you’ve got the 58/1.4. Nikon has made it VERY clear that their strategy is to convince DX owners to buy FX lenses if they want primes so that they won’t have any barriers to eventually upgrading to an FX body. The only reason they have the 35/1.8 for DX is because they needed a prime to differentiate from the Canon crop sensor lineup and they didn’t have a modern 35mm lens that would work with all DX bodies at the time (35/1.8 FX lens came several years later).

    • El Aura

      Samyang has a 16 mm f/2 DX prime. Or the Tokina 11-16 mm f/2.8 zoom (which is almost a prime). Interestingly, both lenses are almost identical in size and weight.

      • TurtleCat

        I want autofocus though. I’ve had plenty of manual focus in my life. Over it. 🙂 I’m not sold on that Tokina, either.

        • If you’re not sold on the Tokina 11-16 or 11-20, then you’re not going to be happy with anything Nikon tries to do.

          If you want AF and are OK with f/4, you might as well just get the AF Nikon 14mm, since on DX it’ll crop away those nasty soft corners quite a bit, especially at f/4. (And a modern DX 14mm will probably be almost as heavy and expensive as the ancient FX 14mm anyways)

          • TurtleCat

            I’m not sold on the Tokina mostly due to the many reports of sample variation. I don’t have the time or patience to work through that. I don’t think a modern 14mm DX would be as big as the old FX 14. No way to know, of course, since it hasn’t been built but I suspect it would be smaller.

            • David

              Get the new Tamron then. I had a Tokina 11-16 and loved it. I should think they’ve improved on the quality side since I bought mine (almost 7 years ago)

            • TurtleCat

              I’ll take a look. Thanks!

            • The sample variation of the Tokina is no worse than most other lenses, IMO. Only the absolute best flagship lenses seem to have slightly better quality control.

              WRT lens weight, I think you’re underestimating the increase in lens resolving power that has occurred between when the old FX 14 was released, and today.

              Simply put, If Nikon wants to offer a 14mm f/2.8 DX that can resolve a D5600 or D7200, (24 MP APS-C with no AA filter) let alone offer room to grow for higher MP sensors down the road, …the lens is going to be big.

              The only hope, I believe, is if Nikon were to do a 14mm f/4 DX, which also compromises a bit on corner image quality wide open; only then will a 14mm DX prime be noticeably lighter than the old 14 2.8.

            • TurtleCat

              While the short flange distance makes it smaller the Fuji 14 2.8 is very sharp and also very small I wouldn’t think a Nikon 14 2.8 sized for DX wpuld be very big overall. Certainly larger than the fuji but not as big as FX. And the fuji one resolves just fine on their 24 mp sensors.

            • At that focal length, flange distance actually plays a big role. Just look at the Rokinon 12mm f/2! A DSLR APS-C lens of the same focal length and aperture would be impossible to make in the same size. A DSLR APS-C 14mm f/2.8 would be only marginally smaller and lighter than the existing Rokinon 10mm f/2.8 APS-C, or the Rokinon 16mm f/2 APS-C. And even then, probably NOT if you add autofocus.

  • Sports

    Nikon is in the process of updating their workhorse lenses to E versions, so the 24-120mm f/4E should be here soon … shouldn’t it?

    • TurtleCat

      I’m sure that and some others (14-24, 105 macro, 50mm and others) are in the mix. I would suspect they aren’t coming until after the mirrorless thing is out.

    • I’ve never like that lens, do you like it’s portability? I know for a fact it won’t be too sharp wide open on a D850 which means something will have to give in V2 – price or portability possibly both if it’s going to give good 45mp performance

      • Sports

        I like the 24-70, but I would love some more reach. I don’t have the current 24-120, but some of the E versions are quite a bit bitter than their predecessors, and if this is the case, I would get it.

    • ZoetMB

      Updating all their lenses will take 10-20 years. They’re still selling 8 manual focus AI-S lenses, the latest of which hit the market in 1984 and 14 AF (not AF-S) lenses, the latest of which was first released in 2002, but most are from the early 90’s (not including macro lenses and Tilt-Shifts). Especially in the declining market, you’ve got to figure an average max of 5 lenses per year.

      Without any clear insight into which lenses are selling, it’s hard to tell what they’ll do next. One thing I have noticed is that a lot of lenses are currently out-of-stock at B&H. That means they’ve been moving product, but what we don’t know is how many they keep in inventory at any given time. Is it 1 lens, 6 lenses, 50 lenses? There was a point last year when every lens was in stock and it was hard to tell whether it was because Nikon was doing better at inventory management or because no one was buying anything.

      Right now (as of yesterday), 21 lenses are out of stock in the U.S. warranty editions and 12 of the lenses with street prices of $1000 or more are out of stock.

      And it so happens that the 24-120 f4 is indeed out of stock as is the 200-400 G. Might mean nothing, might mean they’re going to be replaced soon.

    • Davo

      I think the new 24-120 f4 VR should be an AF-P lens. Since it’ll be a kit lens, it should be a bit of a jack-of-all-trades type of lens including video use.
      Should be nice as a dual lens kit with the 70-300 AF-P.

      • cookie

        I do agree because of one reason: I tried my Nikkor 10-20mm AF-P on the D610 after firmware uptdate. In Live view this combination works fine. No focus hunting. I was truly surprised. VR off is not possible with th D610.

    • I could use all the “E” kit / basic / f/4 lenses that Nikon cares to throw at us. I’m absolutely sick of that damn mechanical aperture utterly failing to stop down consistently for timelapse photography at f/11 or f/16; it’s been a problem on 3-4 bodies and 4-6 lenses so far for me. And yet I tried both the new 16-80 and 24-70 VR on the D500 and my D750, and they timelapsed SUPER-smooth at all apertures.

  • Delmar Mineard Jr

    Please Nikon…the replacement for the D750..D755 or D760. Who knows what the number will be. Need that D810/D500 AF system.

    • TurtleCat

      It would be nice but that starts eating into the advantage of the higher models. So I suspect they would keep that a differentiating factor. Like how the giant smartphones now have features not seen on their smaller cousins, it’s about making people feel the need to go for the higher model for all the features.

      • The 7xx line has historically always gotten the flagship AF module, though not the same processor IIRC.

        I think if they want to drop DOWN a notch in AF modules, we’ll see it called the D650. 🙁

        • TurtleCat

          History, in this case, is really only 2 models. So perhaps a trend, perhaps not. The environment isn’t the same, either. It depends on how Nikon is going to rationalize their camera lineup moving forward than what they’ve done before.

          • Over the decades of Nikon’s overall history, they’ve had a much higher propensity to cramming flagship features into semi-pro and even prosumer bodies, compared to Canon and Sony. The D7500 is not a good sign, indeed, but I’m simply hoping that Nikon sees merit in keeping the D6xx line alive, and if they decide to make another affordable FX body without flagship AF, they’ll call it the D650, and leave the D760 (or whatever) to include a few extra things the D650 won’t have. Maybe they’ll even take one of the SD card slots out of the D650. Hmm…

        • El Aura

          Price-wise the first D7xx model was where the D8x0 was and is. The second D7x0 model was a notch below that and the got the D4 AF module two-and-a-half years after the D800 got it.

          • That’s a good point, the D750 didn’t get “flagship” AF until just a short while before “flagship” was about to go from D4 to D5, which was a decent leap. But still, the D750 AF blows away the D610 AF, and that’s what was such a big deal.

            On the other hand, Canon has yet to put flagship AF in any non-flagship body except the two most recent generations of 5-series bodies, and the 7D mk2. Meanwhile, I’ve lost count of how many Nikons in the $3K and below price range that have uncluded some form or another of flagship AF…

    • Count on them not giving you that AF system. See D7500.

    • Shutterbug

      At best they will give you the module, but not the dedicated AF processor. I don’t think they will put the full fledged D5 AF system in a D750 replacement. I’d love to be wrong but I can’t see them doing it.

    • steve

      If you absolutely need it, why don’t you buy a D810?

  • br0xibear
    • A. F.O.

      s for…
      simple D5?
      super D5?
      splendid D5?
      🙂

      • paige4o4

        silly D5. It’ll come in yellow, and have a feature for adding pokedots to every photo.

      • silmasan

        D5semiupgrade

      • br0xibear

        supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

        • A. F.O.

          🙂
          That’s my daughter’s favourite song!!!

      • D5mirrorlesS? Despa5itoS? 🙂

  • storm

    Late 2017 or Q1 of 2018 for the new Nikon mirrorless FF would be ideal for me because I will be doing my next upgrade spring 2018I will be able to compare the Nikon mirrorless, D850 and Sony A7Rii/A9 (if it is out) and decide which of these cameras I will be gettingAt this point I have absolutely no idea which one I will choose.

  • sickheadache

    What Nikon..Where is that excellent 18-55mm VR 10? The DX crowd need this.

  • Ric of The LBC

    What ever comes next will be awesome.

  • Ric of The LBC

    the world needs more orange people.

  • A. F.O.

    new P900 with raw and 1 inch sensor??

    • Don’t know about that 🙂

    • COUGH DL cancellation COUGH

      • Andrew

        The cancellation of the DL may be a good thing. I really do not think that Nikon changed its mind on the concept. Nikon’s reason is apparently due to problems with the image processing circuit. Then later Nikon cited a lack of competitive features in the camera. But I think it is because this 1-inch mirrorless camera is undergoing a radical redesign as Nikon is apparently relaunching its entire mirrorless camera line. So there you go, hope you are feeling better 😉

  • Chandra Venkataramani

    Peter – Any chance the new 180-400 f/4 will have a built in Teleconverter like the Canon ones do?

    • Not sure

    • TurtleCat

      Hope not as that makes it even more expensive.

    • Thom Hogan

      Yes. It’s my understanding that this was part of the spec.

      • Chandra Venkataramani

        That’ll be nice. I am not a big fan of using the separate teleconverter.

  • localmile

    I’m still hoping for a 300 f/2.8 FL one of these days.

  • Mike Gregory

    Have you heard any rumors about updated PC-Es the 19 was a new angle but the others seem forgotten about

  • zombietimeshare

    “New Nikon mirrorless camera is expected in late 2017 or in 2018.”

    Dang. Buy the D850 this year or wait a few months to see what the rumored specs will be on the mirrorless. A FF mirrorless with a D850, or greater, pixel count, in the next six to nine months, and I’ll wait. If not, there is always the D850. Either way it’s win/win but I’m only in the market for one of them.

    • Yes, this is how Nikon likes to do it.

    • TurtleCat

      My guess is that whatever Nikon announces won’t be as good as the D850. It is hard for any camera to match it, let alone do better.

      • ZoetMB

        Agreed, but not for the reasons you state. I think Nikon will aim lower with a new mirrorless. While $3300 U.S. is great value for the D850, it’s still a lot more than many consumers (maybe most consumers) are willing to spend. So I think a new mirrorless will have a lower pixel count. Of course the pixel count will also be dependent upon whether it’s FX, DX, CX or whatever it winds up being. But in general, the mirrorless has to be less expensive, because it need to serve two purposes: expand the market with new users who don’t want a DSLR and become a second (or third…) body for those Nikon DSLR owners who also want a smaller, lighter travel camera of high quality. And although companies like Apple claim to not care about internal cannibalization, Nikon still does, so they’re not going to produce a camera that takes away D850 or D500 sales.

  • Chris Phillips

    where is that 50mm f1.4 E? Long overdue …….????

  • Todd Davis

    Good lord they need to upgrade their ancient junky 50mm 1.4G…

    Sigma is absolutely destroying nikon in the standard lens department… like… demolishing completely.. Nikon 50mm lens lineup is a frigg’n laughing stock of the industry..

    50mm 1.4E needs to come out ASAP so they can reclaim some of the market and start to save some face on the 50 front…

    • Todd Davis

      I mean… the G is what, 9 years old? and abysmal… the laughable 58 1.4G shouldn’t have even been made… also a laughing stock of the industry…

      Nikon NEEEEEEEDS to put out a killer 50 1.4E.. its just silly

      • Rich

        I’d love the 58mm – sure, it sucks in the lab but it’s output is wonderful. I agree with you on the 50 1.4. but I would hope Nikon stick with the smaller form-factor.

        • Todd Davis

          “Sucks in the lab but the output is wonderful” ?

          If it sucks one place, it sucks all places… for that price it shouldn’t suck anywhere

          Besides the horrible af issues that the sigma has… sharpness wise it’s beautiful… as well as color rendition and background blur…

          I don’t want a lens that sucks in any capacity…

      • The 50 1.8 g is a nice lens. Yea it won’t cut your eyeballs off with sharpness but it renders well and is like a tenth of the weight and size of the sigma. Personally not that bothered with crazy sharp, if my images are sharp at final output size, either printed or in my online gallery I’m happy.
        That being said it could probably do with a re fresh, I’m just not seing the laughing stock thing.

        • Todd Davis

          I’m Not talking entry level nifty fifties

          I mean the 1.4 models

          The 1.4G is pathetic

          The 1.4D is okay but certainly not great by any standard

          Nikon needs to update their pro level 50 asap

  • DB

    What about the replacement for the DF?

    • ZoetMB

      Don’t you think if he knew anything he would have mentioned it?

  • silmasan

    17-35/2.8 refresh
    the macros and pc-e (can’t they all be apochromatic?)

  • Brad Armstrong

    Peter, anything at all on a Df2? call me crazy but one done right would be exactly what I have been dreaming about since 2000 or so. since my days of making money with my camera are behind me and my photography is just for me and mine, I want a camera that brings back the magic like some people want a 63 split window vette. I would have killed for a D850 in my wedding/portraiture days, I want a capable yet fairly simple DSLR with manual controls done right, and no it doesn’t need video.

  • Adam Young

    Peter, D610 successor?

    • Andrew

      I do not think that anyone knows what Nikon will do with the D610. Will Nikon continue the D600 line in the near future? Will the D750 take the place of the D610 at the $1,500 price point without discontinuing the D750 when its replacement comes out?

      All that is certain is that if the D750 replacement comes out at $2,300, it makes no sense for Nikon to vacate the $1,500 full frame price point. Will they keep selling the D610? If they upgrade the D610 with an updated AF system and price it at $1,500, how many people will skip the D750 replacement for the D610 replacement for a significant savings? I do not know and maybe this is an equally difficult question for Nikon to answer. But apparently a lot of folks like the D610 for its affordability and that is why it keeps selling.

      • If Nikon continues it’s behaviour, then the D610 will be discontinued, and the D750 successor will have 9 AF points and one card slot and a $2700 price tag….

        • Andrew

          A single action is not something one calls a behavior. If you never go to the movies and one day decide to go and see an movie, does it make sense to say that you have a habit (behavior) of going to the movies?

          So Nikon decided to pack the D7500 with advanced flagship features from the D500 and then included only one card slot instead of two so as not to impact sales from the D500, that is a trade-off that is well thought-out. Many professionals shoot with only one card slot. If you need two card slots, then go and buy the D500. Nikon is not a charity, they need to make money. The D7500 at $1,250 is a steal!

          • Turn on sarcasm meter, please. 🙂 Btw. if I got three bumped apples at the grocery store, then I say they made a mistake. If Nikon releases a camera like this (I mean the D7500) _on_purpose_ after several market researches, then I dare to say they behave wrong. Nikon knows exactly how these enthusiast-level customers love the D7xxx line, yet forces them shamelessly toward FX or the D500. But these models are not and will not be the substitutors of the good old D7xxx line for a very good reason: the D7xxx line (until the D7200) is the best value for the price. I bet that’s why it has to die: it has gathered too many loyal users.

            • Andrew

              Gabor, here is what Nikon did wrong. They wanted to empower users with much of the advanced features of the D500 which is amazing for a prosumer class camera like the D7500 at only $1,250 and not compete with the D500.

              Nikon should have introduced two D7500 models, the second being a D7500e like the D800 and D800e. This way the D7500e could be sold for maybe $1,550 with nothing missing while incorporating a few more features from the D500 like the back illuminated buttons and a wider focus spread (focus points) if possible in a smaller body. Not doing that is a real marketing blunder on Nikon’s part.

            • I agree. Since D7500 announcement I think there is an obvious space for a D9xxx line camera with the features you mentioned. But where is it?

            • Andrew

              Absolutely, I can imagine a D9000 looking more like a D500/D850 hybrid including the nice illuminated buttons, Joystick, and Focus Peaking. Ha, if only Nikon is listening in on our conversation 😉

            • I am afraid we are not loud enough. 🙂 Btw. I think the D9xxx will be a dual SD (maybe UHSII?) slot, 24MP, 6-8fps, camera with 51 point AF system in a D7xxx like body. So Nikon will generously give back (for a bit more money) what they took away with the D7500. I don’t want to complain in advance, but it’s not fair.

            • Andrew

              Agreed. I called Nikon’s corporate office once about an offending advertisement and they seemed to have responded immediately. So maybe a phone call might be in order. Maybe we should organize a petition of requesting a higher-end D9000 as a logical continuation of the D7000 line as no doubt Nikon has re-purposed these cameras to not compete against their professional D500 heavy body camera.

            • I think that body would be a too direct competitor of the D500. But let’s dream on. Maybe our prayers will be heard. One thing is for sure: I am with you. :))

  • David Leaf

    It would be nice if Nikon’s future mirrorless system is APS-H (or even APS-C). Is square sensors. Semi-conductor miniaturization is going to continue to shrink photo-sites for decades to come. So it is probably alright to bet on a slightly smaller sensor size.

    APS-H is great because not a lot of loss of bokeh. f/2 constant Holy Trinity is probably quite do-able @ APS-H with optical formulas of the future.

    Square sensor is great because: #1 no one likes carrying around battery grip just for a second shutter-release + AF-ON; #2 endearing aspect ratio; #3 cost more to produce–which paradoxically means consumers are getting more for their money.

    In the long term I would love square sensors.

    • TurtleCat

      The problem with APS-H or square sensors is cost. Nikon would be the only ones doing it and they likely wouldn’t have the volume to make the sensor costs reasonable.

  • Beefed up is a completely wrong word. You mean more sensitive. The update is logical as every new camera gets better. But nikon manages to still cripple the performance even then in some way. In the case of 750 it is the spread of AF points. Which is important to a pro.
    Nikon would not deliver less compared to D750. It will deliver less compared to D850. But for most of the users, the pros of D760 would far outweigh the cons. And that would be a good thing.
    When I sited D7500, I compared it to D500 and not any of the Fx camera.

    • Andrew

      OK, I understand your point. But putting everything into its proper perspective, what you call crippling may be the result of a functional design and manufacturing limitation. I gave you the example of the smaller shutter mechanism restricting the shutter speed of the D750 to 1/4000 sec. If you were not aware of the fact that Nikon could not fit the larger shutter mechanism for 1/8000 sec. performance, you may have wrongly assumed that Nikon was deliberately crippling the D750.

      So, it is likewise conceivable that a wider spread of the focus points may also have required a larger AF mechanism that would not fit into the slimmer body of the D750. It is for this reason that I surmise that we cannot categorically state that Nikon is crippling a certain feature without knowing its feasibility.

      Now here is my overall thought on this issue of crippling. It makes no sense for Nikon to cripple features in order to move a user to a product that would not meet their requirements or needs. There is no way that the D750 can compete with the D810, nor the D750 replacement (D760) with the D850.

      A high megapixel camera like the D850 has certain attributes like a higher resolution which a D760 cannot compete against. Likewise, a lower megapixel camera like the D760 has certain attributes in terms of higher ISO performance which the D850 cannot compete against. So why on earth would Nikon cripple the D760 when it would not have any impact on the sale of the D850?

      So the general assumption of crippling is something that is often used even when we are not privy to the facts.

      • Ha ha. Everything other than d5,d 8xx , and d500 which are most advanced has been crippled deliberately. If design constraints are there it helped. This is the reason why I sited d7500. You want more examples? Df,d6xx. And they too clearly were not competing in any way with bigger products. It’s Nikon’s fear of cannibalisation which is not new.

        • steve

          Besides the size factor there is the money factor.
          The D750 costs nearly 1500 dollars less than a D850.
          Where do you think they can get that money without “crippling it deliberately”?

        • Andrew

          Umeshrw, I agree with you, you have made your point clearly 😉

          As I have said before, Nikon is inflexible with its features selection on competing camera models and yes, the D7500, as much as it is an awesome camera may not make sense from a business standpoint to allow it to significantly impact D500 sales without making up for the revenue shortfall.

          That is why I have argued that Nikon should have also released a D7500e with every imaginable feature that can be poached from the D500 and then priced a few hundred dollars higher than $1,250. That will make the D7500e an awesome all-day travel camera 😉

          So having said all that I have said, I think that it was wrong of Nikon to not recognize that not everyone considers the D500 as an ideal camera simply because of its size and weight. And to deny them the option of staying with the form factor of the D7000 series that they have come to love by not offering those options for a small upgrade fee just does not make sense.

  • What about the D610? Together with the Df they are a year older than the D750….

    • Captain Megaton

      The D750 replaces both. With the D750 discounted there is no point too bring out a D620 until the D750 itself needs to be replaced… unless the D620 is not a D620 but a mirrorless camera in the same niche.

      • I do not want to be too negative, but that’s what I was afraid of. They feeded the market with cheap FX cameras now they pushing the price tag of all the FX gear. At the same time they slowly degrade the amazing good and affordable enthusiast DX line (like D7200) Is it just me who finds this disgusting?

        • Captain Megaton

          You can buy a D750 today for the price of the D600 at release. You can buy a D500 today for something within spitting distance of of the D7200 at release. The D850 is competitively priced. The D810 is good value.

          Nikon has increased the price on the lenses and gone upmarket, its true, but I find little to complain about on the camera side.

          • Well, try to balance with a $500 salary. Monthly…. On top of that in Hungary the D810 body costs $3460. The D750 ‘only’ $2150. Degrading the D7xxx line and pricing up is more than painful here.

  • eric

    Already reading comments trying to downplay Nikons next camera as inferior to d850, lol. Buyers remorse much? I think Nikon will release a very good mirrorless camera next year and it will attract a lot of interest. As long as they maintain a certain level of quality, smaller will always be better, for most people.

    • silmasan

      You sure seem concerned about what others think. I noticed you have had similar comments on petapixel as well as here since D850 release (re: not buying). Aren’t you justifying your own choice to not buy it, just like the ones who buy it are justifying their choice?

      • eric

        Not concerned what others think at all. I don’t really care. I just find gear anxiety interesting. I have no interest in the d850. I wouldn’t even accept a free one. Don’t need it. Its a perfectly normal phenomena to like and dislike things or even compare things. If everyone agreed, life would be incredibly boring.

        • silmasan

          “Buyers remorse much?”

          Except this is not the first time you’ve attempted to project something along this line to D850 buyers.

          I mean, honestly, “remorse”, “regrets”… those words sound like reeeallly bad vibe to me. What for? Say, if something better comes out the next day and they want that, they could just buy or trade. There’s nothing much too lose (not to the kinds of buyers who would buy $3000+ camera anyway). What’s a couple hundred bucks if it means I get to try new things, right? 😉

          • eric

            Im not projecting anything, that’s all in your head, not mine. Please don’t stalk me or other people online. Not cool.

            • silmasan

              Naahh… you just got called out. 🙂

  • NinjaTurtles

    I’m looking forward to a D5s model, and maybe an update to the 14-24 which is amazing as is, but since the 24-70 and 70-200 have been updated, I reckon the 14-24 maybe as well.

  • Ric of The LBC

    they always do.

  • Dave

    I can dream of a 400mm f5.6, to match the Canon lens. great budget wildlife lens. I’m guessing the 200-500mm has killed any ideas of that though.

  • Oz Baz

    Whilst I would love to see a Nikon mirrorless tomorrow I am very happy to wait until they get it right.

  • SkyMeow

    From what I’ve heard while I was in Japan late last year, nikon may not release D5s. I heard this from nikon technician. He is not insider person or anything like that. He just works at Nikon, this is just one of many talks going around the company. Basically nikon was shocked by canon’s response to D4s with just a firmware upgrade for 1DX. nikon may follow this example and do some big firmware update instead of releasing another updated D5. And Nikon hardly make money with its flagship anyway. Conserve company’s resources for development of next real flagship D6.

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