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Nikon V1 and J1: the new mirrorless cameras from Nikon

The two models of the Nikon mirrorless camera will be called Nikon V1 and Nikon J1*. The mockups I posted online I believe are of the V1 model. Both bodies will be identical, except that one will have a self timer LED on the top right and different colors for the lens release button (one will be black, the other will be silver). Nikon V1 will have a built-in high resolution EVF and will come in black and white. The Nikon J1 will not have an EVF and will come in 5 colors: red, pink, grey, white and black. The rest of the specs:

  • Update: I missed that one - the camera will have both phase and contrast AF detection
  • 10.1MP
  • ISO range: 100-3200 (with H1-6400)
  • CCD sensor (not sure about that) - the whole mirrorless line will be called CX, similar to DX and FX
  • Both cameras will have 2.7x crop factor
  • 3 in. LCD screen
  • The J1 model will have a built-in flash
  • The V1 will not have a built-in flash but it will have a multi-accessory port which will support external flash and a GPS device
  • There will be no traditional flash hot shoe on both models
  • There will be a F-mount adapter
  • Both cameras will probably be made of plastic
  • Full HD movie with many additional features
  • EXPEED 3 processor with 600 megapixels per second processing power
  • The four mirrorless lenses are (most with choice of colors, except the 10-100mm):
    • 10mm f/2.8 pancake lens
    • 10-30mm f/3.5-5.6 VR lens (very short and portable)
    • 10-100mm f/4.5-5.6 VR
    • 30-110mm VR

Some of the above specs could be wrong or lost in the translation.

I was told again that Nikon's mirrorless camera will have some innovations not yet seen in any other cameras. I don't know what those innovations are but let's don't judge it before it comes out.

* -A note on the camera names - I got some conflicting info here, the model names could also be 1V and 1J. Those could also be just the temporary codes and not the final model names. I believe the internal Nikon code for the new camera is Q630, but I could be wrong. The initial mount leak mentioned X810 as a camera code/project name which makes me think that V1 and J1 are the final marketing names.

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  • JB

    Yea!!! Just what I always wanted!

    • AnoNemo

      yep, a nice NEX-7 with some zeiss lens. I wonder what Nikon had in mind but this is nothing but a Coolpix on steroid. I guess the Nikon folks got a saw and cut off the lens so they can put there a lens mount. This will make all the D3s, D700, and D300s owners embarassed.

      • matgay

        but it will make the coolpix users very happy :)

    • matgay

      pancake teles! yummy!

  • scurvy hesh

    I really want to know want these innovations are.

    • Frosti7

      i bet they will turn out to be “motorized zoom” such as panasonic introduced a few weeks before,

      Frankly i dont see how this system is supposed to tackle M43..it wont come close

      • Twoomy

        It seems like it will probably attract a different market. M43 definitely has the leg up on high-quality glass and bright primes, but I could see a place for this system.

        • ke

          This ‘system’ costs more than any m4/3 cameras & as far as we know so far, offers less.

          • Ben Hipple

            costs more? we dont know the price yet.

            • PHB

              Correct, we have never had any good rumor on price.

              The Reuters claim looks rather high and didn’t even mention that there would be two cameras.

              Nor do we know what the quality of the shots that can be taken with it. We won’t know how good the camera is till we see some reviews.

              10MP does seem a tad low, but it does manage ISO3200 which makes it almost a one to one replacement for the D300 generation DSLRs. The D300 is still a great camera to work with (unless you are a poseur), a D300 that is half the size and weight of a D50 is going to be very useful.

              I was hoping for more like 16 MP. But this is only the first body in a system. I rather doubt that it is going to be the last. What I find rather interesting is that this camera has exactly the same specs as the Leica M8.

              It all comes down to price. If the price is $400 then this is a no-brainer. If the price is $1000 for the kit with lens then it is pretty pricey but less than half the price of an M8.

              If Nikon has based their EVIL line on the M8 then readers of this blog may well want to wait for the M9 competitor.

      • D700

        At 10mp and 2.7 vs 2.0, they may actually beat m4/3 for IQ. My GH1 photo IQ sucks big time, so it will not be hard for nikon with it’s iq rep to pull off something great with this sensor.

        Then again, it is not targted at the dslr market.

        The 2.7 crop will allow for smaller lenses, aond maybe affordable. M4/3 are not small and certainly not cheaper than the dx/fx lenses.

        • PHB

          My observation as well.

          The usual reason for going to a rangefinder design is that it is easier to make good lenses. Nikon already has a great lens lineup that a new format is going to find hard to beat for a long time to come.

          This is not going to replace my D300 or stop me buying a replacement. But it might be something I buy for the wife to use (and then take from her when I want to use it).

    • RichST

      If the expeed specs are correct then the camera could do 1080/60 video using a full sensor scan, that’s certainly something we haven’t seen before. It would also imply the burst rate could be in the same range

      • Frosti7

        The sony NEX-5N can do 1080P60,
        althou its not global shutter, still, it wouldnt be enough of a exclusive feature on its own
        besides future gen m43 would probably be global shutter as well

        • BornOptimist

          But that is probably like all other cameras do it, sub-sampling the sensor (not reading all sensor pixels). 600 Mpix/sec is a tremendious amount of data, and I find it hard to believe, because that is 7.2Gbit/sec if the sensor is 12 bit. That is an astronomical amount of data in this tiny camera, and several times what a D3-serie can handle (which is in the range 1.5Gbit/sec).
          I presume 600Mpix is the teoretical calculation power of the Expeed3 engine, not the bandwidth of the camera electronic.

          • Dormant

            Nikon has a new image processing engine (maybe called EXPEED 3?) that will be able to deliver some insane frame rates and video capabilities.
            (Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2011/08/29/nikon-preparing-a-new-monstruos-image-processing-engine.aspx/#ixzz1XUrqNaa6)

            http://nikonrumors.com/2011/08/29/nikon-preparing-a-new-monstruos-image-processing-engine.aspx/

          • RichST

            It IS insanely high but JVC is already doing it with their Falconbird processor, right now they’re taking about a 3200×1800 image off a sensor (presumably a fast Sony chip) and converting it to 1080/60 video. So it’s not undoable. Using a 1″ sensor would help make this easier compared to larger sensors which would have more heat issues. Kodak makes a 1″ CCD sensor capable of 30+ fps (the KAI-04050) though it’s <6mp. I still have a hard time believing these cameras will use a CCD not CMOS unless the vertical line streak issues have been brought under control. On the other hand it would get rid of the rolling shutter problem.

            Of course this is all total speculation and probably a bit too much to expect from a rather conservative Japanese company, even though Nikon would have little to lose since they have no camcorder business to protect unlike Canon/Sony/Panasonic etc.

          • henry

            If the numbers about the processor are anywhere near true, then I would imagine D4 to be 24MP at 12-bit 12fps or 14-bit 9fps with dual processors. Then D800 would roughly be the same with halved fps. And D4s would be a whopper with a 48MP. I’ll just hold my breath until all that happens. I suppose all this mirror-less business is not all bad news.

    • Manuel

      12 electric contacts? Seems to be a world record.

      But seriously: Why is that in the age of digital signal transmission and processing? Nikon had more electric contacts compared to the EF bayonet from the beginning, transmitting less functionality (e.g. diaphragm). May be a commitment in regard of backward compatibility.

      But now they’re even exceeding what they’ve added to the F bayonet – on a system new from scratch. Why is that? More contacts mean more cost and less reliability. With a serial bus, one or two contacts should be able to transmit all data and power required.

      • Where’s my…

        Transmitting power gets a lot easier with two or more contacts than just one, otherwise I completely agree that this looks quite old school. Should be optical for signal and two contacts for power.

      • Ben Hipple

        all the contacts may not be used all the time.

        for the f-mount adapter it would be best to have as many as the f-mount has so they can run through the adapter to the lens.

        also the diaphragm will be controlled over contacts too. the f-mount adapter will get a signal from the body and then set the diaphragm in the lens mechanically.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/drscsi Dr SCSI

        @Manuel,

        Maybe all the contacts are there to provide adapter style compatibility with the F mount and micro 4/3 to boot! On launch, these cameras may have the potential to support more options for glass that any other camera in the history of photography! Not to mention, the lower pixel density, and Nikon’s history for great IQ (see D7000) out their sensors, will make it interesting. The Sony NEX 7 would be its greatest competitor, but the NEX system still lacks glass.

  • kyoshinikon

    No command dials means I wont buy it… But than again I still shoot film.

    It seems odd to use a CCD because while it is great for video it sucks for liveview which is probably the only viewfinding system on this camera…

  • StickingZoom

    10.1 Mpx …., hmm, so they were listening to Tom Hogan and are using a sensor with rawly the same pixel size as in the D7000…
    But then again, if it’s a CCD …, it won’t be a scaled down D7000 sensor.

    Too bad, I nearly got interested …

  • J

    Doesn’t sound like it should cost more than $600.

    • Alfonso

      + 1 talking about the expensive one

      • Bjrichus

        +1 indeed so.

  • EvanK

    Hopefully it will be the V1 that sells for the whopping $1300!

    Not sure how I feel about CCD with such a small sensor, though.

  • Jerry Rock

    The splitting of this camera into two devices seems like you’ll have to pick which features you would like (ie you can only have EVF or OVF not both)(ie2 flash accessory port, not both). Tell me why they didnt just make ONE camera with all of these features? At a price point of 900-1300, they should be able to do it.

    I’m waiting for a Fuji x100 replacement with interchangable lenses.

    • http://folkins.net Jeff Folkins

      What? I can’t have an EVF and a flash on the same camera. This is crazy. Who will buy this?

      • John

        Exactly – I never carry a dedicated flash. EVF + flash on the higher end model was a must. This is not going to go far – it seems the CoolPix guys were the ones who designed this not the DSLR guys.

        I hope the rumored specs are not accurate – it should have been a CMOS sensor and an EVF + built-in flash on the higher end model.

        Looks like Nikon is not setting the bar very high indeed.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

          the sensor could be back-lit CMOS, really not sure about that one

        • paf

          agree with you except: “…Looks like Nikon is not setting the bar very high indeed…”

          The bar has been already set and Nikon just can’t reach it….

  • PB PM

    One word sums this up, fail. Not worth switch to this from M4/3s.

    • J

      If the price is lower than M4/3, they have a chance in succeeding.

      • PB PM

        I suspect a price close to the Pentax ILC, so no chance of it being cheaper than the GF3 or E-PL3. I considered switching to the Nikon ILC from the GF2, but considering those specs, no chance of that.

    • Matt

      Maybe not worth a switch from M43, but think about it as a addition to a larger system D300 oder D700. M43 maybe wouldn’t be small enough to justify a second system. The 2.7 crop system might be different. However a Panasonic LX-5 might do it as well ;-)

    • Richard

      This makes the specs of a µ4/3 camera look like Superman.

      Not at all interesting. The marketing people who dreamed this up should get their resumes up to date.

    • Nineface

      I think the reason they want small sensor is because they want it to be “true pocketable”!!

      Most people in the market don’t care the size of sensor but in their mind the camera that can change the lenses are better camera.

      Pentax Q Hands-On
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIUY8e_TKI&feature=feedu

  • frager

    this is no NEX 5/7 Killer. I think I change to Sony,

    • SN

      How can you change to Sony? From the non-existent (on the market at least) Nikon mirrorless?

  • MB

    Looks like the new line will be called Nikon One (1).
    Admin is probably right about lenses, but Nikon is very wrong offering very slow lenses for very small sensor.

  • http://chasingtheinspiration.com A.Lwin

    Nikon, you badly fail.

  • Nicolò

    Please think, a V-1 to bomb London?

    • Cuius

      ….and VJ also has connotations

  • noflashmount

    how does it work without flash mount? even some P&S have it. Maybe the “new innovative” feature is a radio flash trigger. it better be.

    • Nineface

      Most of people using P&S never use flash mount

  • EnPassant

    Nice work admin! Finally a solid rumor. Even if it’s not the one we wanted.
    But no standard Nikon TTL hotshoe or built in flash on the model with EVF? Even P7100 got both as well as an optical viewfinder. Will Nikon fix that for the next generation, just like Sony seem to have got i right with Nex7?

  • MatWith1T

    Those lenses are much slower than I was hoping for.

    They seem to have combined the worst of m43 and high-end P&S’s, expensive and slow with limited controls.

    • MK

      +1 it would be a different story if the lenses were in the 2.0-4.0 range. even if the standard zoom was the only lens they had. at this point m43 or x10 looks better to me. phase AF is awesome tho

  • plato

    3 zooms and 1 prime?
    Someone got their priorities reversed…

  • Glow

    Look so weak compered to Sony NEX7. It’s sad… I hope that D400 will be beter than A77 is spec and I can have one before Xmas :/

    • http://www.dungbeetle.com.au/ Scurvyhesh

      Nikon is not sleeping. You can rest assured that the D400 will anialate the A77 and its LOL vertical grip

      • Anonymous

        +1

  • Ernest Koe

    this isn’t a still camera with video capabilities, this is a video camera with still capabilities

    • RichST

      Looks like the concept of convergence is beginning to speed up again

  • Flash

    No Brown, No sale. :)

  • Joseph

    Am I right to say CCD sensors are better than CMOS?

    • Where’s my…

      I for one far prefer (under optimal circumstances for both) the images from the D80 CCD over those from D300 CMOS. CMOS loses image clarity due to electric noise as well as diffraction noise from light having to pass through the sensor wiring. I have no direct experience with the newer back illuminated CMOS sensors which should have better signal to noise ratio with at least the wiring being moved out of the way.

      Unlike CCD where typically the whole image needs to be read in one go, image from CMOS can be read line by line, enabling much shorter sample periods thus making it usually better for video capture such as live view but also allowing a beefy DSP to offset some of its disadvantages to CCD with creative algorithms for e.g. noise reduction and HDR. The line by line reading feature should be especially helpful for sensor based autofocus.

      • SN

        And yet the D300 has much better high iso noise levels… So it seems your “experience” is a paper based one.

        • BartyL

          My D50 (CCD) has much better noise levels at ISO1600 (it’s maximum ISO speed) than my D300s (CMOS) at the same speed (without high ISO noise reduction turned on).

          Not a paper-based experience, but a real one.

          • http://www.dungbeetle.com.au/ Scurvyhesh

            I agree with you. I wish Nikon would launch a CCD D300 replacement with today’s technology. I don’t care if it costs more. I’ll pay it.

  • Rob Ellis

    And this is gonna secure Nikons future on the market, how?
    I think this is purely nikon resting on the fact the camera has a ‘Nikon’ logo on the front of it, and hoping all the less photographically knowledgeable people out there will assume it’s the best because of this…That’s all I can imagine -.-
    This will cost nikon dearly for sure. Face it, sony owns the mirrorless market, with Olympus and Panasonic trailing behind by a small margin.
    Nikon are too late to enter this market, there’s no innovation here, nothing new. Its one step forward and 2 (or more!) steps back I’m afraid.

    • paf

      big +1

    • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

      +1 here too. The last few weeks have been a story of utter disappointment. The upcoming DSLRs need to be spectacular after this. Moreover, Nikon need to start lowering peoples expectations and over-delivering, because it seems to me that theyb keep talking themselves up during the last year and come up way short, at least in my expectations.

      If these specs are bang on, there is no innovation here – where is the USP that they keep promising? This is a copy-cat story of slow zooms and weak/mediocre specs again by the looks of it – I was hoping for something so much better than this, and now I think I must consider a different solution for a portable. Manufacturers like Fuji and Sony at least look they’re trying to give the market something different (and professional), but what has been set out here is indeed a Coolpix with an interchangeable lens to me.

      This is a small step up from a camera phone solution for me, if Nikon intend this to be a bridge between a Coolpix and a DSLR then fine they will succeed, but I doubt its going to tempt many pros as an alternative to their DSLR kit…

  • http://walomi.blogspot.com/ Walter Chen

    This is the last straw…I am out of stupid Nikon system

    • http://www.dungbeetle.com.au/ Scurvyhesh

      Good. Used prices are too high when compared to similar brands. Please flood the market with your gear so us real photographers can buy it at a steep discount.

    • Ric

      Send me your glass

      • Mssjmsss

        Dude he’s just selling his coolpix so he can concentrate on the iPhone system.

    • PeterT

      Wish you all the Best…

  • Anonymous

    How can you (you, you know who you are, all of you) complain about specs when you haven’t seen a result and have no idea about IQ? It’s IQ that matters and if Nikon can put it into the mirrorless, then good for them. Clearly we won’t be shooting weddings or working with these, looks like these are for tourists.

  • Jason

    Putting my Nikon gear on eBay this weekend to buy m43.

    • Remedy

      Hell yeah! Coz z tiny, retarded and utterly noisy sensor with catastrophic ergonomics body is the holy graal of photography. Facepalm.

      • D700

        That sums up m4/3 nicely.

      • preston

        lol

    • Ric

      Send me your lenses

      • Mssjmssss

        He’s just selling his coolpix man.

  • Kees Toxopeus

    If its cheap I would consider it, but otherwise I skip it.

    The reasons why I haven’t bought a ILC-camerayet is that when you want a descent zoom lens (I’m not talking about a superzoom) then its size is marginally smaller than a compact DSLR.

    The only camera I might be interested in would be the Sony NEX-7. However it’s very pricy.

    So I think I stay with my LX5 (with EVF!).

    • Ke

      Have you looked at Samsung’s NX? APS-C sensor, compacts lenses…

  • D

    Boring.

    Wake me when some real camera are coming out.

  • Carlos R B

    BORING…i hope its not DOA….

  • Photonut

    “ISO range: 100-3200″

    Epic fail! DOA! wtf…..

    But there is still some slim chance of hope: “Some of the above specs could be wrong …”

    Well, it looks like my next cam will be called NEX-7/5. It was fun playing around with the NEX-7 at IFA.

  • amien

    CCD = NO ROLLING SUTTER IN VIDEO !

    Maybe 3CCD ? That would provide some extra color depth !!!

    • RichST

      LOL, in that tiny little frame? I used to have a Panasonic 700 which used a 3mos and its capability to take good looking stills, well, sucked

    • Sjsjjs

      It also means it’s worse in low light. Rolling shutter isn’t as much of a problem that it use to be.

      • PHB

        CCD has nothing to do with rolling shutter.

        It is the presence or lack of a global shutter that is the issue and that can be present or absent on CMOS or CCD.

        The D50 is CCD and has a mechanical shutter, not an electronic one. My Canon Vixia video camera is CMOS and has an electronic shutter.

        An electronic shutter means very high flash sync speeds and possibly higher shutter speeds than mechanical shutters offer.

  • broxibear

    Maybe something like this http://i.imgur.com/MOojy.jpg ?

    • BornOptimist

      Add a lens release button, and you are probably quite near. Make it silver so it’s like the J1, the one without EVF.
      I could be tempted to say – “yeah why not, and the P300-size is two-thumbs-up”

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/54581213@N02/ BurnumBurnum

    The lenses are all way to slow. Why is the 10mm prime only f/2.8?

    • PHB

      Because the initial selling point for this body is going to be small size and compact dimensions. If your purpose is to take the camera up a mountain to take landscapes you could not give a hoot about high ISO performance.

      Nikon are launching two things here. They are launching a camera and a camera system. The most important feature of the first camera is that it is cheap enough to sell in large volumes. This camera looks to me like it is aimed at the consumer market and will be delivered to Costcos by the pallet load.

      This camera is still on a par with the D300 in terms of specs and that is only a 4 year old system. It is also on a par with the Leica M8.

      I would prefer to see an 18MP body, I would like to see some fast lenses as well as the compact ones. But for me this is going to be an additional camera, not a replacement for my F-mount gear. So I am not looking for it to replace the functions of my F-mount gear.

      If I use the adaptor to mount my 85 f/1.4 on this body I will have a 230mm f/1.4 lens. With the ISO 3200, that will give me the same low light performance as a 200 f/2 on a D3 for about $600. Put a 70-200 on it and you have a 190-540 mm f/2.8 zoom.

      Sure Nikon could have put a DX sensor in their EVIL camera, but that would make it less interesting as an adjunct to an F-mount system, not more.

      The boasters and measurebators on this board think only in terms of cost. A bigger sensor is certainly more expensive to make, so it must be better – right? No, sensor size is like film speed, it is not what is better, it is what is right for the shot.

  • http://benjaminmoritz.com Ben

    F mount adapter? The lenses will be bigger than the camera… :)

  • Fred Munster

    Hmmm….F mount adapter and 2.7 factor with video? So a stellar 70-200 F2.8 VR2 would be a 189-540 F2.8 lens with video? Hmmmm…or even stills.

  • http://www.dungbeetle.com.au/ Scurvyhesh

    ccd= 1/500th + sync???

  • Sandjeep

    Wowo Cannon and Sony are surly the better choices now. These specs arent what the consumer seem to be wanting. Sheesh whats nikon thinking these days?!

    • preston

      Yes, you’re right. The Canon mirrorless offering is much better. .

  • http://Www.shortfingerphoto.com Nubz

    Looks like a PERFECT companion to a 300mm f2.8.

  • Bjrichus

    Was any of this new system designed to be better than Canon, Fuji or Sony?

    Might it even equal the rest of the market place for a lower quality (compared to DX crop) such as M43?

    What was that? Did I hear a chorus of “no”? Did I hear a chorus of “too expensive”?

    IMO, unless the IQ is outstanding for the size, say about the same as a D7000, it’ll be an epic fail.

    Unless you wanted to be “all Nikon” and have more money than sense!

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/54581213@N02/ BurnumBurnum

      Hey, but it will come in white!

  • backcountry

    I’d almost buy one with the f-mount converter to see what a 400mm f/2.8 looked like at 2.7x crop.

  • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

    I wonder what they will make out of these “600 megapixels per second processing power”.
    Does anybody know how many megapixels the current DSLRs with their current Expeed sensors can handle?
    Being an absolute tech noob this sounds to me like 300 fps@1080p or 600fps@720p or 2200fps@VGA.
    Am I wrong?

    • BornOptimist

      600Mpix/sec is 7.2Gbit/sec if the sensor is 12 bit, but this is outrageous, and far far higher than any professional camera on the marked today (D3-serie is in the range 1.5Gbit/sec). The 600Mpix/sec is therefore probably the teoretical limit of the expeed3 engine.

      • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

        Thanks! Let’s see. I wonder if this will be an replacement for my Casio EX-F1.

        • RichST

          We can only fantasize. Right now I think the only worthy heir to EX-F1 is JVC’s GC-PX1/10

          • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

            I didn’t know that cam. But 300fps@VGA – that’s what the EX-F1 did three years ago.
            I have been playing a lot with that – but now I would prefer slow motion in HD :)

            • RichST

              Flo, the beauty of the JVC is that it basically takes the 60fps burst rate of the EX-1 and uses that for its video mode. You can also do stills with a much more generous 140 or so limit. The F1 was ahead of its time for sure, the chip was there it just unfortunately didn’t have the processing speed to go along with it. Video quality wasn’t that great since it did not use a full sensor scan. The sensor itself was not that bad (just for stills you had to use RAW due to avoid Casio’s overly aggressive watercoloring/smearing of its jpeg files)

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

        this is what I have been trying to tell you guys – this will be a monster processor:

        http://nikonrumors.com/2011/08/29/nikon-preparing-a-new-monstruos-image-processing-engine.aspx/

        • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

          Nice :)
          Yeah, i was wondering: “Full HD movie with many additional features

          • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

            And when you posted that, I put my EX-F1 on ebay to get a good price before the next big thing is here!

        • RichST

          Google “JVC falconbird”, it’s possible

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin
            • RichST

              Just if anyone is interested, I did a comparison shot of 3 different videos from the dc.watch site and tried to line up some 1:1 sample crops as best as I could. One column are crops from an APS-C camcorder, another from a JVC using Falconbird (full sensor scan), and finally one is from a highly regarded 3-CMOS camcorder. Can you tell any difference?

              http://tiny.cc/qhxi7

            • BornOptimist

              RichST, of these only the images in the right hand column has any value as still images.
              From your obvious passion for the JVC, the one in the right hand column is of course the JVC.
              Even a 12 year old Casio with 1.2Mpix has better iq than the other two.
              But the JVC is a impressive camera, and it does indeed have a tremendious bandwidth. Almost 6Gbit/sec if the readout is 12 bit – impressive!

            • http://www.dirty-pages.de Flo

              RichST: Ah okay. I hink I understand what this cam is about.
              But I personally would prefer reasonable 300fps HD to 60fps in that perfect quality.
              I rarely use the 60fps picture mode of my EX-F1.
              I would love to see a nice slow motion cam.
              Waiting or september 21…

            • RichST

              To BornOptimist, hehe the only thing I admire about JVC is their first-to-market implementation of using a full sensor scan for video (and yes it’s the one on the right, the TM700 is on the left and VG10 is in the middle). The idea of convergence is that you should be able to pluck a still picture from a video and it would be as good as a still jpeg. The Sony sensor JVC uses is not the greatest in the world for IQ but I do admire them for “getting video right”, to paraphrase Sony.

      • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

        I think people are making too much of that stat. This is referencing what the Expeed 3 processor can handle, in other words, it could run it’s Picture Control processes on 600mp of data a second. While that indeed is high, it says nothing about the steam coming out of the processor itself. Remember, a Class 10 SD card is only 10MBps streaming. At some point you have to reduce the data set. But consider the odd styles that Nikon has done lately, like the faux PC-E effect: if they could run that at 24 or 30 fps, that would be new, and maybe even useful.

        • RichST

          For a video mode I don’t think even a Class 10 card should be needed (what is the streaming rate of blu-ray? I want to say it’s quite a bit less than Class 10 specs). There would probably be bottlenecks at other points along the way, like the speed at which a sensor scan was read out, debayered, adjusted, and downsampled in real time. Expeed may be able to receive insanely high data rates but I doubt it could output at rates anywhere near that (nor would it need to). If you want to shoot continuous RAW shots 60 times a second for, well, forever then yes you’d need something wayyyyy faster than a Class 10 card but this is just a consumer camera.

          And for Flo, if the sensor could do a full scan at, say, 60 (or even 30) times a second I don’t see any reason it couldn’t pull off the same old video parlor tricks of subsampling/binning to ramp up lower res videos to higher speeds. All that comes as an added bonus when you have a very fast sensor.

    • sirin

      could it be super slow motion in full HD? if so, many people would buy the camera just for that.

  • PanThomas

    10 Megapixel to compete with Sonys 16/24 MP in the Nex 5/7? What a funny idea. In the rumored price range 10MP is just not enough, especially if the bigger model (with the EVF) is aimed at the serious shooter.

    • BornOptimist

      …and I would take a 10MP before a 24MP DX any day of the week. Absolutely no contest in my mind. Sony should have kept (or improved) the already good 16MP they have in the NEX5.

      • http://modifiedphoto.wordpress.com Jason

        I agree. Give me 10 very clear, sharp, megapixels any day over 24 megapixels of garbage. After all, if you stuffed 24mp in a sensor that size, you’d end up with more noise than image. If it is a CCD rather than CMOS, that could end up being a really good thing, or a really bad thing. Time will tell.

        Lets not bash what we haven’t even *seen* yet, never less sample images and video from yet.

    • Moth Flopwell

      IF NR is Right…Nikon truly FAILED!!! I told you guys…it is below 18mp….hell Nikon your Favorite number on MP 12!!!! You even failed at that..10mp????

      REALLY…NO REALLY!!!! Wow Nikon..3 steps forward…and 20 freaking steps backwards….

      I am stunned!!! I am shocked at you Nikon!!!! Colossal failure!

      • PeterT

        Pure Polemics…

  • Bart B

    So 10,1 Mp with 600 Mp processing power … Means 60 Fps at 10 Mp … Not bad for a Coolpoix ;-)

  • nikonnickb

    nikon need to raise their game and i don’t see any signs of that here ok its a market they need to be in but this seems behind the mark set by others and with the rugby world cup underway and the 2012 olympic games just round the corner we need to see the D4 and new glass now however saying that the D3 still remains the best sports body out there and i can’t complain about my D3x either but I WANT MORE
    ok i feel better now i’ve had my rant !!!

  • http://www.spark-creative.co.uk/photography.html Mark Astle

    How is f2.8 slow? Or am I missing something?

    • backcountry

      Yes, sensor size. It would take a superfast lens to get decent background blur on a portrait on a 2.7x sensor as compared to 35mm / full frame.

  • no

    so nikon went with a small sensor because they could make really cheap glass….but instead we get boring slow aperture glass. You’re better off buying a p100 super zoom. this would have been a hit if it came with a sweeet f0.95 fast prime set of 35 50 and 85 FL equivalents.

    nikon went small so they could make a great sensor but went with the crappy CCD found in the P7000. they could have used a backlid 10mp cmos that blows the competition away.

    nikon went small so they could offer a great set of bodies with enough features to please the pros. yet all they did was create a point and shoot for people that rather have a point and shoot and a crippled camera for people that want a dslr alternative.

    did niko just wake up and say:
    Hey let’s do the exact opposite of what will be a great product.

    that’s nikon EVIL for you. enough said.

    • edwit

      No, not to “make really cheap glass”, but smaller.

      No, not the “crappy CCD found in the P7000″. This one is apparently 10MP and several times bigger than the P&S sensors.

  • http://mato34.es/ Mato34

    It doesn’t sound bad to me. Price should be in line with competition and not those 900-1300 $, but I like the specifications (although I would like to see some fast lenses in the future).

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    Sorry, I missed that one: the camera will have both phase and contrast AF detection.

    • AtlDave

      Will the camera have phase autofocus or will it be part of the adapter for F mount lenses?

  • Sully

    Who wants to bet that Thom Hogan will recycle those specs on his website in the next 24hr?

    • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

      I already wrote over a month ago that I thought that Nikon’s mirrorless would be 8 or 10mp ;~).

  • http://snailartphotography.daportfolio.com/ benjamin

    i would really consider this if it had a small but fast 50mm eqv. a 24 and 100 eav would be most welcome too

    • nofunben

      Yes it is the lenses that make a system.
      If Nikon can put the coolpix team to makeing cx mount cameras and lenses this could go somewhere.

  • nofunben

    600 megapixels per second could mean for a 10 megapixel sensor 60 fps burst rate.

    or 300 FPS hd video.

    • andy

      Theoretically, maybe. In practice, no. Buffer size and memory card write speed are bottlenecks.

      • BornOptimist

        Well, RichST pointed to a JVC camera above, and this can capture 130 frames @ 60fps with 3840 x 2160 px.
        So JVC has shown it’s possible, and maybe that’s not just a theory after all.

    • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

      Again, the issue is output speed, not central processor speed. Let’s say for a moment that the camera could process the entire 10mp data set at 30 fps. Exactly what would you need to RECORD that out the other end? Even if they cut that down to 4k or 2k format, it would exceed Class 10 card speed. Moreover, what would you output the video to?

      • RichST

        Sure, just output it to a robust 1080 mp4 file (say in the 40-60mbps range). It would help a lot if it had encoding hardware like those used in camcorders and not second-rate chips like Canon is getting away with. Not to keep beating the JVC analogy again, but their camcorder is generating video by taking a cropped 6mp portion (in full scan mode) off of a 10mp Bayer sensor, downsampling it to 1080, then outputting it as a 36mbps mp4 stream. So it CAN be done on a consumer level, at least on smaller sensors (up to 1/1.7″ so far per Sony); whether Nikon will actually DO this I don’t know but it would be an extremely bold move. In my mind they’re a rather conservative company so I’m guessing they won’t, but who knows?

  • JY

    What will all these rage.

    I thought the main purpose of this camera is for its size advantage, compact with the option to change lenses and still compact? Probably 2.8 prime is the widest it can be to keep the whole package “compact”. If you want a fast prime, you already have the existing nikkor lenses. Or if it is possible to make fast primes, i.e f 1.4 at the size that they consider as “compact”, they may be coming in the future?

    The spec of Sony NEX are awesome, however they are way too big when you got the lense on. May as well use my dslr. The Olympus alternatives are great, but the lenses don’t appear to be compact enough to me.

    Depending on the ease of use, image quality, ISO performance and the street price, I probably wouldn’t mind this camera + nikkor 35 1.8G lense for niteout with friends/family type of shooting.

    • JY

      re using the existing mount, of course if the AF work on this compact camera :)

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