Interview with the team who worked on the Nikon D850 camera

A while back I posted links to a recent DC.Watch interview with the team who worked on the Nikon D850 camera. Yesterday a member of the NikonGear forum posted a nice recap of the interview:

Part 1 (original DC.Watch article | Google translation)

1. D850 was developed as follower of D810 for the more pixels, the faster frame rate and the higher functionality.

2. The higher pixel count and the higher frame rate have been required from the bird and airplane photographers as well as the landscape shooters.

3. Nikon is not sure if the ability to shoot 4k video would contribute to the higher sales, but considers as part of the expanded possibility of expressions.

4. According to Nikon’s own research, only 20% of Japanese users shoot videos on a routine basis, whearas 80% of other Asians, Europeans and Americans shoot videos on a daily basis.

5. They decided to avoid the on-sensor phase-detect photosites because of the possible negative impact on the image quality.

6. The electronic-optical hybrid viewfinder was avoided due to the potential degradation of the optical quality of the finder image (when the display is inserted in the optical path) or to the additional size (then the display is incorporated to project its image into the optical path).

7. The 0.75x optical viewfinder was one of the challenges for Nikon to provide better view for more precise focusing for the higher megapixel model.

8. The model number jumped from 810 to 850 because of large technical leap.  However, they wanted to present it as D8x0 series model and didn’t jump all the way onto “D900”.

9. Contrary to the fairly large leap from 24MP (D3X) to 36MP (D800), 36MP to 45MP is not as large.  But Nikon considers that they can strike the best balance between the high MP count, high-ISO performance and higher frame rate with 45MP.

10. D850 is made in Thailand.  They control the quality in the same way regardless of the location of production, Thailand, China or Japan.

11. The faster data read-out on the sensor was achieved by the copper wiring method instead of the conventional aluminum wiring.

12. Nikon doesn’t disclose the manufacturer of the sensor.

13. ISO 25600 in normal mode was achieved mainly by the backside lighting technology of the sensor and the more efficient noise handling of the Expeed 5 chip.

14. The newly included “AUTO” picture control is based around “STANDARD” but fine-tunes the tone curve and the color rendition automatically using the advanced scene recognition function.

15. The electronic first curtain can be used not only in the conventional M-up mode but also in Q and Qc mode.

16. The highest frame rate slows down in the silent (electronic) shutter mode, because its image processing is different from that of mechanical shutter mode, and it takes a little more time to process.

17. With the battery grip MB-D18, 9 fps continuous shooting is possible with a 12V battery including all EN-EL18, 18a and 18b.

18. D850 doesn’t employ the monocoque construction found in D750 or D500.

Part 2 (original DC.Watch article | Google translation)

1. The face detection mode should be turned off when too many faces are in one frame (LOL).

2. The AF works at down to -4EV which approximates the scene under the “dark moonlight”.

3. The accuracy of the focus aid has been improved: you can manual-focus with a fast lens more accurately.

4. (relating to 3) You may not enjoy the improved accuracy with the older MF lenses due to the lack of any feedback of the information from them.

5. Nikon doesn’t name any “recommended” software for merging the images of stacked focus but mentions Photoshop, Helicon Focus as well as Combine ZM.

6. The metering sensor just “peeps into” the finder image through another optical system, so it is questionable if the image captured by the metering sensor could be reasonably used for the LCD, even if the resolution of the metering sensor is increased to be comparable with an image sensor.

7.  The “Natural Light Auto” (NLA) white balance is dedicated, as the name indicates, to the natural light.  The conventional AWB has been designed to handle various artificial lamps and thus couldn’t respond to the various lighting conditions under the natural light.  The dedicated NLA addresses the problem.

8. The built-in flash is omitted to facilitate the use of PC lens, and to avoid the inadvertent pop-up of the flash by pushing the pop-up button accidentally with the external flash attached to the hotshoe.

9. You CAN use the older EN-EL15 (non-a) battery with D850, although its performance could be lower than that of EN-EL15a.

10. The “8k time lapse” function only means that the camera can gather the images for the 8k time lapse video.  It doesn’t mean that you can “process” the 8k video using the internal video function.

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  • Eric Calabros

    Seems Hybrid dream is further away than everybody imagined.

    • Spy Black

      Not if you could swap the prism and lock the mirror up. 😉

      • Seems a lame compromise to me. Misses the main point in my book. Flange to sensor distance.

        • Spy Black

          Partly, yes, I agree.

    • If the translation is accurate, it gives the hint that they could do it but didn’t.

    • fjfjjj

      Don’t take it too seriously. Typical infighting and/or shortsighted sales tactics. Same as “We’re committed to DX” a few months before the D3.

      • PhilK

        Quite common in the corporate PR world, yep.

        Sometimes even for “legit” reasons.. eg, throwing your competitors off the trail of your as-yet unpublicized product roadmap. 😉

      • What do you mean? They still support the DX format and are still releasing new products for it.

        • fjfjjj

          I don’t mean they dropped DX support. I mean they said they would never produce another format besides DX.

          • I see what you’re saying. Unfortunately, corporate secrets are a necessary part of the game to compete with powerful other companies. I’m not excusing the lying, as that bothers me as well. Nikon has always had a terrible public relations department and terrible taste in advertising. But it’s hard to be angry at them for creating a superior format which is arguably the best photography format in the world now.

            • fjfjjj

              I’m not bothered by it. I only think it’s a weak input for making predictions.

  • Günter Hofstädter

    ´d nice if they bring out an optional EVF to put on the flash hotshoe and connect to the HDMI output! Sure the autofocus will not be better, but it would be more comfortable at filming or focusing manually !

    • Nikon User

      Agree with you but that is a big dream.

    • ITN

      You can get an add on EVF from Zacuto.

  • Nikon User

    Still miss the 2005 – 2009 era of Nikon DSLR thriving like crazy.

    • ITN

      Poor resolution, they were really behind the curve back then, and most primes with screwdriven AF. Consumer purchases and product quality are not really correlated it seems. I prefer the current situation of superb products even if they don’t sell as well.

    • Wade Marks

      The major advantage that Nikon had back then…and all other camera companies…was that smartphone photography had not yet taken over.

      Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone in 2007, and in a few years smartphones exploded in sales due to that, and most people came to rely on their smartphone as their camera.

      Hence all camera companies are coping with a shrinking market.

  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    Love no 17 – being able to use all 3 types / variations of the EN-EL18 and still getting 9 fps, although the MB-D18 abeit expensive along (£369) with the original D5 battery charger MH-26a (another £325 at the moment). Must say an excellent team designing an excellent camera.

    • John Albino

      Well, if you don’t mind going the clone route, there *are* alternatives to a Nikon-named version. For example, Amazon (US) lists a combo of a clone EN EL-18b for $149, a dual-battery charger for $89, with a Nikon BL-5 for $24.95. B&H and Adorama have similar products.

      I used a similar clone battery and charger in my D800 with grip and it worked fine. I finally stopped using the grip for no other reason than I didn’t want to use it any longer.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        True on that

      • marymig

        The wasabi dual charger s even cheaper and works great.

      • Michael Jin

        I’m generally open to using third party or aftermarket gear, but batteries are one of the few areas where this would not apply.

      • There is no way I am trusting a third party power source on a $5,500 camera (price in Canada including accessories). I don’t need to save money that badly.

        • AlphaStatuz

          I use Watson batteries. They’re fine. I own two of them.

        • PhilK

          Agreed, because there are, among other things, safety issues.

          The Samsung Galaxy Note 7 should be enough of a lesson on that. And tons of the 3rd-party stuff is 1,000 times less well-engineered than even the Note 7 battery was.

          • I hear ya. That Nikon charger though. Ugh. Severely overpriced.

            • PhilK

              One of the reasons I am reticent to replace my D700 is that Nikon made a very nice, reasonably-priced dual-battery charger that works for both the EN-EL3 series batteries as well as the F5 batteries. (With an adapter cable)

              The fact that the only chargers they make for their DSLRs these days besides the flagship models are the rinky-dink single-battery things that only charge one kind of battery is kind of annoying to me.

            • I hear that. I’m not a fan of those chargers for the D8xx batteries. But oh well. They are good for travel I guess.

              Honestly, if you are thinking of upgrading, don’t let the battery situation stop you. Getting the D850 has really inspired me in ways no other camera has before.

            • PhilK

              Understood and if one goes by the number of people selling D700s on craigslist around here these days I’d say a lot of people have come to the conclusion that Nikon has finally released a DSLR that has motivated them to move on from the classic and widely-beloved D700.

              I may be one of them before long. But I may need to do some computer horsepower upgrades before I jump into that pool, too..

              But to remind – there’s a bit more about the charger I mentioned (the MH-19) – it also charges F5 NiMH batteries, and I still have two of those bodies. 😉

            • KnightPhoto

              Yup I normally stick to Nikon Grips and batteries, but when I sold my D4 I had to include the genuine Nikon charger, so yeah went third-party when getting a charger to replace it for my D500’s…

  • Spy Black

    Cutie on the right…

    • Ask Matt Lauer about her.

    • Rich Poinvil

      Maybe, but the man on the left has huge hands. Really, take a look.
      That might explain the larger grip on the D850

    • Oh yeah. She must be why the D850 melts in my hands.

    • fjfjjj

      She’s beautiful.

  • pete guaron

    For merging stackshots, I tried both Helicon and Zerene – I found Zerene more satisfactory for my purposes, although I don’t doubt others prefer Helicon for theirs – I mention this because I was startled by the lack of any reference to Zerene in para 5 of part 2 of this post.

    • Melkor

      I recently tried Affinity Photo for the focus stacking, and it done a good job. I will take a look to Zerene too.

    • Spy Black

      Yeah, I use Zerene also and find it works very well. It does a lot more than I understand of it, I’ve only scratched the surface of the program.

  • marymig

    12. Nikon doesn’t disclose the manufacturer of the sensor.
    17. With the battery grip MB-D18, 9 fps continuous shooting is possible with a 12V battery including all EN-EL18, 18a and 18b.

    Two things I found of interest.

    • PhilK

      Re: item 12, I don’t blame them.

      The last thing Nikon needs is for potential customers to start thinking that they should simply pick a camera based on who fabricated the sensor. Especially at a time when there are so few sources for state-of-the-art photography camera sensors, and Nikon (unlike their 2 top competitors) does not own any sensor production facilities themselves.

  • Did they mention anything about why a prime lens needs different fine tune adjustment at different shooting length?

    • ITN

      The rear element often changes distance from the sensor when focused close. Thus the light comes in different paths.

  • NYkon

    5. They decided to avoid the on-sensor phase-detect photosites because of the possible negative impact on the image quality.

    Does anyone accept this as a legitimate reason? Don’t all chime in at once.

    • Spy Black

      For the immediate technology, probably so. Canon did a great improvement with the Mk IV sensor while adding Dual Pixel AF, but it still lags behind the Sony/Nikon/Pentax cameras for noise and dynamic range. It’s only a matter of time before it happens, or some other tech emerges that’s equal or better.

    • i buy that. Remember, even if someone else has nailed it, Nikon may not have. I also find it unlikely that they would outright lie about something like that – though exaggerate is possible. Having spent nine months of my life in Japan doing business, learned to speak the language and raised a half Japanese son, this is something I think I have a feel for.

      • NYkon

        I’ve spent some time in Japan and amongst Japanese in the US as well. The face-saving evasiveness of conversations are what raised my alert level when I saw this. My guesses were they either don’t have the tech ready or couldn’t justify the cost in what is (outside the US) a fairly expensive camera.

        • Spy Black

          I think you’re reading too much into this.

        • That would not be out of the realm of possibility in a Japanese organization. But no way to know……

    • ITN

      Well, yes. If you remove a pixel and replace it with PDAF sensor, then the image detail at that position has to be ”guessed” ie. it is fabricated by interpolation.

      With Canon this is not done but the cost is that they need twice as many photosites. Ie. a D850 with dual pixel would need 90MP sensor, a D850 with quadruple pixel AF (ie. cross type) would need 180MP. And the camera electronics and CPU would have to process all that data very many times per second. This is why Canon’s high res model (5Ds (R)) doesn’t have dual pixel AF. Probably it is part of the reason why Canon cannot give full frame 4K.

      • PhilK

        If I recall the whitepaper I read on it correctly, they split the pixels into two halves and then use an algorithm to extract both AF and image data from those split pixels.

        So I believe you lose sensing area because you have twice as many pixels, thus twice as much inter-pixel “guard area” taking up space on the sensor that can’t be used to receive photons. And then I assume a readout time penalty due to switching the output to AF and image processing back/forth.

    • PhilK

      I think it is a well-known fact that splitting up the pixels on a sensor in order to divert some of the output for AF tasks (eg “dual pixel” Canon AF sensors) entails a degree of image-quality loss.

    • Yes, since they designed the camera. I can’t see a reason why they would lie.

  • Spy Black

    Perhaps it was a cellphone shot, but the IQ of a snapshot of the people that designed the D850 is piss poor IQ. Kinda ironic.

    • Probably a reporter/writer shot the photo and most reporters I meet nowadays have no photography background or skill as they are writers, not photo journalists.

  • Rich Poinvil

    The sensor manufacturer is Towerjazz.

    Also, about 20 ish years ago at Nikon School, people asked about why Nikon didn’t go with Polycarbonate bodies like Canon. We where told that “Nikon rigorously tests many materials in many different climates. If the engineers don’t think it’s good enough, they won’t release it to the public”. Canon and others eventually went to magnesium alloys in their higher end bodies. So you can say they are speaking the truth about certain technologies being left out of this camera. Those technologies, in there current form, are not up to Nikon standards.
    Now if they can only think the same with their software.

    Does anyone know what “monocoque construction” is?

    • marymig

      How do you know it is TowerJazz?

      • Rich Poinvil

        It’s all over the web in the last 2 months. Search for D850 Towerjazz. Look for an article from this site and also look for an article from Funtechtalk.

        • Michael Jin

          All of it is rumor and speculation (a lot of it started on this site). If you’ve seen actual solid evidence, please let us know because it would be news.

          • That’s correct, we don’t have any evidence.

        • The NR article was based on a comment from TowerJazz CEO and the consensus was that he was talking about their upcoming sensor in 2018 and about a DSLR company – we don’t even know if it is Nikon. This is all we have.

          • ITN

            It is Nikon because he talks about a leading DSLR manufacturer which means either Nikon or Canon (the others are so small that they couldn’t possibly be considered ”leading”). Canon make their own sensors, stubbornly.

            • It’s too far stretch in my opinion and it seems that they were talking about 2018. On the other hand the D850 and a7r3 sensors are different… why would Sony produce two different sensors?

            • ITN

              Because the 42 MP sensor is for Sony Imaging’s cameras and the 45MP is for Nikon. Sony Imaging may not want Nikon to use their tech and Nikon may not want to give theirs to Sony Imaging.

            • yes, that makes sense, but again – we don’t know for sure

        • ITN

          Yes, because the internet loves fabricated stories and repeats them over and over again.

          • But this is happening because people no longer care. How can you read fake stories or watch stupid YouTube videos over and over and still visit the same website and channels. I am not talking about rumors here, I am talking about fabricated stories created with only one purpose: clickbait. Unless people start boycotting those channels nothing will change, we will just get more of it in the future.

            • PhilK

              Yeah but to be fair, it only takes one blog commentor that hangs around a few photo/rumors blogs posting something like that for people to glom onto it just like they glom onto all sorts of twitter/facebook/etc garbage these days… and then it takes on a life of its own.

              P.T. Barnum was right.

        • Wade Marks

          “All over the web” is simply one website repeating what the other said, and it all comes from the same speculative source.

          There are not multiple rumors from multiple sources; it’s mostly one rumor being passed around.

          In the internet age, repetition of the same one story does not equal truth.

          • That’s correct, just because multiple websites report it, doesn’t make it true.

        • thundrrd

          So in other words you are saying, “Google it!!!” Oh my god, really … Google it?

          • Rich Poinvil

            Sorry. I must clarify that I did tell you all to Google it. I did not have to do this myself. All I can tell you is, in this case, believe what you read. That’s as much as I can say. And thanks for not trolling me. I do realize that some of you could have been a lot harsher.
            Over and out.

  • SkyMeow

    Ok enough with D850. Now where is my nikon full frame mirrorless.

    • ITN

      Why not ask ”where is my nikon car or nikon refrigerator, or nikon computer game, or nikon sunscreen lotion.” Nikon don’t make any of those things nor do they make a full frame mirrorless.

      Sony do make a full frame mirrorless, and have been at it for a while. Take a look at their products.

    • John Hardy

      If it’s that important to you, mount an HDMI EVF on the hotshoe.

    • decentrist

      the check’s in the mail

  • Gerdy

    Every car company uses almost the same engine.
    These engines are designed according to customer requirements.
    Why is the engine of your car better than any other brand?
    Because the customer apparently has an improvement that can not be applied to others.
    A single advantage that Panasonic has here is that they can make that engine. But it is only through the help and adaptation by Nikon that this Sensor can arise.
    So Nikon deserves ALL praise.

    • PhilK

      You should probably learn more about the car industry before fabricating such examples. 😀

      What I have learned from being in the retail business (including the retail camera business, among others) is that customers by-and-large look for a few simple things to fixate on about a product, and then convince themselves that those 2-3 things (or maybe 1-2) are all that matter. (Because to be quite blunt, their brains are either too small or too lazy to care about much more than that)

      In the case of image sensors, once most people hear about sensor manufacturers and decide they are now camera engineering experts, they will dutifully start assuming that they know all that is to know about a product because someone told them Sony makes the sensor… and of course, that makes all cameras that have a sensor made in a Sony plant the same.

      Of course. [rolleyes]

  • I really don’t see the point of knowing who manufactured the D850 sensor. Like it would really matter at this point.

    • Curiosity.

    • Michael Jin

      Well, for one, if it isn’t made by Sony we wouldn’t have to deal with the Sony fanboys constantly bringing that fact up… That’s pretty much it for me, though. 😛

    • It’s curiosity. If it is really TowerJazz, it means something probably went down between Sony and Nikon. You can start a whole new website just with rumors based on that. Did Sony try to sabotage Nikon? Are Sony sensors not good enough for Nikon? Why would Nikon choose TowerJazz instead of Sony?

      • Sony (the sensor division) have to reason to sabotage Nikon. In fact they’d love it if Nikon sticks with them since Nikon is Sony’s biggest sensor buyer 😉

        • Wade Marks

          Actually, Sony sells far more image sensors to smartphone manufacturers like Apple. I’d venture to say that Apple could be the single largest customer of Sony image sensors.

          Smartphone sales dwarf those of dedicated cameras and that’s where the money is these days.

          That being said, I am sure that Nikon has been a good customer of Sony these past several years and Sony most likely doesn’t want to lose them. However, given that Sony also has a camera division that is competing with Nikon now, Nikon has every incentive to want to decrease their dependency on Sony. In fact I would be that any move away from Sony is coming from Nikon, and not from Sony not wanting to supply Nikon with cutting edge sensors.

          Keep in mind that even if Sony is making sensors for Nikon, that Nikon adds their own sensor design magic to the final output. So Nikon is probably also reluctant to share their secret sauce recipe…their intellectual property…with Sony. Sony is at once a partner and competitor of Nikon, and that makes for an interesting relationship.

          It’s kind of like Apple and Samsung: they compete but Apple also buys components from Samsung. But Apple has been working very hard through the years to decrease their dependency on Samsung.

          • John Albino

            And the automotive industry may be an even larger market for image sensors than the phone market. A modern car may have five or more image sensors, and a future autonomous car even more

          • What I meant is Nikon is Sony’s largest (ILC) camera sensor buyer.

      • Spy Black

        It is indeed a curiosity. If Sony didn’t manufacture the sensor, then it may have something to do with Sony’s comments about reserving their cutting edge technology for their own products first.

        Considering Nikon is one of Sony’s biggest clients (if not THE biggest), if Nikon did have someone like Tower Jazz manufacture the D850 sensor, then it could be considered a shot across the bow by Nikon to Sony to suggest to them that it’s not in Sony’s best interest to hoard all the goodies. 😉

        The worst part of Nikon depending on Tower Jazz for a sensor, if they indeed did make it, is that Nikon had to depend on a company with the most embarrassing name in the industry. I can only suspect the CEO worked in the jazz department of Tower Records when he was still in college.

        If I was Nikon, I wouldn’t admit they made my sensor either. 😀

        • Allan


          If they make good sensors, I don’t care if they call it Fred or Phyllis or Apple.

        • decentrist

          Tower Semiconductor….emabarrassing?

          • Spy Black

            Tower Jazz is.

        • PhilK

          It was actually just a combination of the names of two companies they acquired, IIRC.

          Not the most appealing name tho, I agree.

      • thundrrd

        Peter, don’t you find it odd though that Nikon, or actually, anyone, isn’t coming out with information about the sensor and everyone is left to speculate on what company created the sensor?

        It just seems that in the past there was much more openness to say it was Sony and that makes me think it wasn’t Sony …

        • No, Nikon never disclosed who the sensor manufacturer is. The reports always came from people who took the camera apart.

      • thundrrd

        Hmm … after thinking about it a little more, maybe it isn’t so odd that Nikon doesn’t say who created the sensor. After all it is a Nikon D850 and not a Nikon D850 with a SONY sensor inside.

        OK, I guess I get it now.

        • Yes, why should they advertise another company for free.

          • PhilK

            Not only that, all it would do is foment people’s inclination to oversimplify things and assume that cameras are just commodities that are all the same except for who made the sensor.

            People can be extremely dumb that way.

    • PhilK

      Because people desperately try to distill decisions into very simple black/white matters.

      See my response to Gerdy above.

      I didn’t use to have this POV, but working in retail made me quite jaded in that regard after seeing the same pattern repeat over and over and over again.

  • dikiz

    I fail to see the exact reason why “Nikon doesn’t disclose the manufacturer of the sensor”

    • Wade Marks

      I can understand why Nikon doesn’t disclose the manufacturer of the sensor. It’s a branding/marketing point: Nikon wants consumers to think of the D850 as a Nikon product, not a product in part by Sony, TowerJazz, etc.

      Very few products advertise the manufacturer of their major components.

      PC manufacturers made a mistake in the 1990s by allowing Intel to put” Intel Inside” stickers/branding on their machines. They also allowed Microsoft to brand their machines with Windows badging. So all of these PC companies lost some of their brand image to Intel and Microsoft; people came to think of PC’s as just “Wintel” machines: all the same commodity type of item. Intel and Microsoft loved it, but the PC vendors lost out. PC companies lost their identity and reputation in the market place, and with that their pricing power.

      Apple doesn’t tout which companies make which components for its products: why should Nikon?

      • thundrrd

        I think your point makes sense.

        In the past Sony wasn’t such a strong competitor of Nikon’s on the camera side, so it probably was like saying, “We use the best Sony sensor and not garbage sensors.”

        Now Sony is making Cameras and you almost have to think if you are Nikon and say you use Sony sensor in your camera, the customer might think, why don’t I just buy a Sony camera and go right to the source?

      • Michael

        Wrong. Apple got their computer business in order only after they started using Intel processors in place of IBM custom one. It was a major selling point to get Intel under the hood on a Mac.

        • Rob

          Apple might be using Intel but they sure as hell don’t advertise it. They don’t keep it a secret but you have to look pretty deep into the specs to find out. There is no mention of which brand of processor they use on the overview page or the tech specs page.

          • Michael

            Wrong again. Your link shows Xeon Processor with giant Hero page letters. Xeon as well as Core I5 or Core i7 are Intel trademarks. All computer product pages advertise “seventh-generation Intel Core processor” after the refresh. It is their major sales driver and they do not try to hide it in the specs.

            • Rob

              My bad didn’t see the Xeon, I was looking for Intel or an Ix Core tag. That was my first comment so I’m not wrong again.

        • PhilK

          Actually, what Apple has a history of doing is hiding all sorts of technical details of the products in highly annoying ways to the point that it sometimes seems like you need courses in magick divining skills in order to figure out the differences between them without perusing obscure sources for hours.

          And I understand why they do that, but it’s still really annoying.

          The other thing they have a long history of doing is abandoning various hardware tech that they used to champion, simply because the market passed them by and they had to use what the Wintel machines were using or their hardware components were no longer competitive any more.

          This happened among others with SCSI (switched to IDE, then SATA) drives, with ADB bus (switched to USB), and from Motorola/IBM Power architecture CPUS to Intel CPUs. (They use their own CPU designs – based on the popular ARM architecture – in their mobile SoCs for the last 7 yrs, manufactured mostly by TSMC and sometimes by Samsung too)

    • ITN

      Because it is not a relevant detail and Nikon like to have various different companies compete for their sensor business. From Nikon’s perspective it is a Nikon sensor and who makes it is not important to the user; the performance of the camera is. Who happens to make the sensor for Nikon is an irrelevant distraction from their perspective.

  • Integral Moments

    I’m so tempted to buy the D850, yet won’t buy it and will wait for the long awaited Mirrorless From Nikon. My D810 is an awesome body and have no complaints, but the D850 is full packed features which is nice to have.

    Peter is there any news about Nikon Mirrorless cameras?

    • Michael Jin

      You might be waiting a while… both for the release and because that camera will probably have a longer waiting list than even the D850.

      • Integral Moments

        Have no problem with that, i’m still enjoying my D810 and have the XT-2 for the video (my wifes camera), i just hope the release it in the summer (Q3) before my photography trip 🙂

    • No news so far.

    • ITN

      How will you know the new Nikon mirrorless will be any good? How many years will you be willing to wait for lenses to appear for the new system?

      • Integral Moments

        I know one thing bro, I’m a Nikon shooter and I like Nikon, but knowing if it’s gonna be any good, yeah it’s gonna be better than other brands when they started.

        about the lenses, I can use my existing lenses while waiting for the new mount 8f they decided to introduce a new mount.

        plus they only thing that will make me change my mind is if the video auto focus is crap…

        Nikon and Canon are experienced companies so it wouldn’t be that hard to make a decent mirrorless out of the bat

        • PhilK

          Good to see you corroborate the point I’ve been making for a while now, which is that if/when they come out with a new larger-sensor MILC, it better have outstanding video performance (especially AF, which has been a sore point for years on their DSLRs), or their new product line launch will be seriously compromised.

          • Integral Moments

            Yup, video is becoming essential day after day and especially on a hybrid bodies. I’d would go for other brands if nikon failed to offer a decent mirrorless with good video capabilities. I’m not expecting it to be that perfect from the first iteration but need to offer a good start point.

      • KnightPhoto

        When they talked about mirrorless (Nikon execs here a while back, article(s) here on NR)… they specifically mentioned blow-your-socks-off-mirrorless. Not here’s our first-try-mirrorless.

        So I remain interested by those comments. Don’t know if that means quad-pixel AF or Nikon-little-mirrors or RGBW or what. Thing is D500 fits my needs perfectly for much of what I do, so I’m thinking D500’s for my DSLRs and an FX mirrorless for my FX. And am expecting some level of interoperability with the current lenses, hopefully that is at a high functioning level.

        • ITN

          The way I interpreted it, Nikon gave that as an excuse for not having launched large sensor mirrorless (i.e. it would have to be better than the competition as well as support old lenses, both of which are very difficult to accomplish). It doesn’t mean that they can accomplish these goals, it only means they don’t want to launch a half-way decent product in this category.

          I think in a mirrorless the functioning of existing DSLR autofocus lenses is likely to be poor, apart from the few AF-P lenses which should be more compatible (because of the motor, but exit pupil distance can still cause a problem). That’s why there is no product – it is difficult to make a mirrorless camera that would support DSLR AF lenses well. Yet a launch of a less-than-satisfactory mirrorless product could affect Nikon’s DSLR sales negatively also.

          Only time will tell what they can accomplish, but I would not have high hopes for non-native autofocus lens functionality.

  • fanboy fagz

    shame they didnt ask why no focus peaking in 4k.

    • ITN

      The processor likely run out of power.

  • I have no reason to believe what this site has to say about it.

  • fanboy fagz

    I hope a 3rd party mfr makes a battery grip that allows EN-EL18/a batteries to work for 9fps.

  • Spy Black

    I’m sure.

  • Reilly Diefenbach

    Domo arigato!

  • Paul Elisarov

    The new technology needs to be tested in lower models first before getting into flagships. They could create some unexpected bugs (as in SONY A9 with visible PD sensors in certain conditions).

    As D5300, D5500, D5600 line was not getting much of updates, I’d expect D5700 have some REAL updates – 51 points AF and hybrid VF and PD on sensor maybe. Lower bodies are the place to test new features.

    • PhilK


      And actually I doubt Nikon would make such a mistake, either. Not least because of their historically conservative approach. 😉

  • Thomas Logan

    They forgot to mention why they decided to produce 1/10th of demand?

    • kbb

      My idea; Cost cutting. Nikon is strongly aversive to ending up with surplus bodies on the shelf when the next model comes out.
      Also, the unfulfilled demand keeps buzz going in the media.

  • Cesar Sales

    Too bad no one can seem to get through a discussion about a very intelligent bunch of people without degrading women. Geez.

  • Jotta Jenuino

    nikon, makes tour own sensor

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