Nikon rumored to announce a new Nikkor macro lens (probably 60mm)


A week ago I reported that Nikon is rumored to announce a new macro lens. The potential candidate for a replacement could be the AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED lens which was announced back in January 2008. I was told that this upcoming lens was the reason for the delay of the Nikon ES-2 film digitizing adapter set - Nikon wanted to ensure that the adapter will be compatible with the new macro lens.

The Nikon ES-2 film digitizing adapter set is recommended to be used with the AF-S Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED lens. The adapter can be used with a few other lenses as well:

"The ES-2 Film Digitizing Adapter can be used with the AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED Lens, the AF Micro-NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8D Lens, and the AF-S DX Micro NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G Lens. Adapter rings are included with the ES-2 for use when attaching it to the AF-S Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8G ED Lens or the AF-Micro NIKKOR 60mm f/2.8D Lens. When used with the AF-S DX Micro NIKKOR 40mm f/2.8G Lens no adapter ring is needed." (source)


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  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    A silly q – what will be the / is differences between the original MK 1 and the new lens ? – bet that Nikon will charge more of a premium on this MK 2

    • Not sure – my guess is they will make it to work better with the adapter. The price will be higher for sure, but I think we all knew that.

      • Eric Calabros

        Chances are they put AF-P motor in this. Works better with D850 focus stacking feature.

      • BPhoto

        I suspect the new lens will have a gold ring.

    • TurtleCat

      My guess, as Peter said, would be better for the adapter (maybe why it is delayed?), E type, VR, and maybe less vignetting wide open? They could also surprise us and make it wider than 2.8?

      • Aldo

        Sorry but what’s the purpose of making this macro faster? I’m really asking not being sarcastic… maybe something I dont know

        • Macro lenses don’t have to be used only for macro shooting only 😉 There’s a Tamron 60mm f/2 for DX which also doubles as a portrait lens.

        • TurtleCat

          Many people also use the 60mm as a portrait lens, especially on DX lenses.

    • Shutterbug

      Better optics, possible VR, updated coatings, updated accessory compatibility, refined compatibility with new bodies, etc. – all the exact same reasons any other lens gets updated….

  • so far the rumors about a new 60mm macro lens are coming from 3 different sources, but I am still not 100% sure

    • Eric Calabros

      Its hard to make you 100% sure these days 🙂

      • I know, I just want to hear some more info about it. I am very conservative with my rumors reporting because there is so much garbage on the Web already. Everybody with a shitty website is now a “rumors expert”. The sad part is that people seems to no longer care. They want to feel good today after reading that XYZ product is coming, nobody cares if it will actually happen. I am not going to even mention the many websites and Youtube channels that recycle my posts and pretend to be “in the know”. “Sad” like our president like to say 🙂

        • Nobody Cares

          Don’t get down Peter. For the most part, I get my Nikon Rumors/news from you and news from Thom. Then again, I didn’t know there was another nikon rumor site.

          • You don’t need to know 🙂 they just copy every one of my posts… no need to visit them and give them extra clicks

          • ✓DOTARD Buffal0Bob Covfefe

            Bingo! Betw NR and Thom’s sites [and his contributions here] I get what I think is a well-rounded view of the Nikon world. Works for me!

            Keep up the good work, Peter.

            • I agree 🙂 Thanks for being a reader. Talking about Thom – where is he? Is he taking also December off?

            • Allan

              From Mr. Hogan’s website:

              Meanwhile, I’m mostly off shooting for the next six weeks. The site will be a little inactive because of that.

            • oh, thanks – glad he is ok

      • T.I.M

        I’m 100% sure that my wife won’t let me buy a SV650
        :o(

        • Spy Black

          So get an SV1000 then…

          • T.I.M

            Can I mention your name ?

            • Spy Black

              Sure, tell her Spy insists…

    • Tom Co

      I would rather a site that operates with caution than a site that has a click bait policy and posts the most absurd and vague rumours.

      • I agree

      • ✓DOTARD Buffal0Bob Covfefe

        Or reviews of equipment he clearly doesn’t own, not mentioning names. Just sayin’…

    • Hans J

      Any word if they are making a 105mm version 2 as well. That was is even older then the 60mm.

      • No idea

      • Jeffry De Meyer

        The 200mm is steam operated

        • FountainHead

          Yeah but it’s awesome

    • AYWY

      Hope it’s for the MILC then. 😉

      Considering their pattern of updating lenses, it is extremely unusual for them to update this. The f/2.8 zooms –
      Yes. The recent 70-300, ok the previous version was looking really bad. But the 60M?

      Unless there is very high commercial demand that we don’t know about. Canon has stopped production of their 50M and didn’t even replace it.

      If this is indeed accurate, i’ll expect no less than af-p and ‘E’ aperture. Or just let it be a prime for next year’s MILC. 🙂

  • Aditya Gupta

    Why not a more useful lens like a 135mm…

    • Michael Jin

      I’m pretty sure that Nikon is working on developing more than one lens at a time.

    • IronHeadSlim

      Because the 60mm is used with the slide/negative devices, ES-1 & ES-2 and the D850 specializes in using the ES-2 for copying negatives and reversing the colors. I am quite sure a 135mm is coming.

    • DrNo666

      14, 16 fish, 135, 180, 200 macro… are the primes that still havent been upgraded from the D versions.

    • ITN

      Alas, Nikon sells 100 70-200mm zooms for every 135mm prime.

  • Gautam Barik

    Cant they release a macro at 180mm or 200 mm range? That will be a top seller.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Agree and a good candit for updating optics and adding Nano Coating, VR would be this old contender 200mm F/4 Macro which hasn’t been updated for years…

      https://www.wexphotovideo.com/nikon-200mm-f4-af-micro-nikkor-lens-12891/?pcrid=235613772670&mkwid=UD5YvJN5_dc&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmITRBRCSARIsAEOZmr4E3Er97HsKg0Po3jf8BpkDX7zAbQzvf8YTxxsrTgSvnhW3AxWm2YAaAn_gEALw_wcB

      • Gautam Barik

        Thank you. only if they listened.

      • Hermann Kloeti

        True that – but the 200 mm f/4 Macro is still one of the best lenses in my line-up – built like a Soviet tank but an optical outperformer, some 15 years after it made ist first appeareance!

      • CBJ

        Still waiting for that. Guess I can save some money!

    • I think tele-macro lenses will not work with the adapter because of the close focusing distance. The 200mm macro lens is long overdue for replacement.

      • Gautam Barik

        Thank you Peter.

    • ITN

      Actually such lenses sell in extremely small numbers.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        Possibly but be good to update one of the oldest lenses in Nikon’s current line up – Nikon Af 200 Macro.

  • Bill M

    The existing 60mm is a Nano with great IQ, I suppose they might release a 60mm Nano with VR but outside of that I’m not sure why they feel they need to replace the 60.

    • Ed Hassell

      It will probably be an “E” lens rather than a “G” and it will probably still forego the aperture ring. Sad.

      They NEED to update the 200 macro. And I’d really LIKE them to update / resurrect the 70-180 macro zoom (which will probably never happen).

      • Bill M

        “E” meaning “Expensive” right 🙂 Seriously, that is a good point. And now that focus stacking is getting more implemented would love to start seeing faster aperture macros, so a 60mm f/1.8E VR might be very compelling.

  • herrvonstern

    Are there any rumours about a 50mm f1.4E? I shoot 90% with 50mm and a 50mm with great quality und fast and accurate autofocus would be awesome!

    • I have not heard anything, but I agree that Nikon needs a gold ring 50mm lens.

      • Ushanas Trivedi

        Peter, any news on 200-400mm f4E FL. It was rumoured to be announced around 2017 end. Not heard anything of late

        • It should be coming before the World Cup next summer.

      • Jim Huang

        Maybe it needs to be f1.2 to get the gold ring. 😉

        • I wouldn’t mind 🙂

    • Ed Hassell

      Sigma’s 50mm Art is pretty good — almost as good as Zeiss’s and way better than Nikon’s poor effort.

      • Vinnypimages

        It is a great lens optically but huge, too heavy (Over 2.5 times the weight of the Nikkor), has the Sigma focusing foibles, average Bokeh and is not weather sealed so I am waiting patiently for a Nikkor E.

        • Someone

          Yes, exactly what I think and exactly what most people fail to see!

          • Vinnypimages

            Nikon 50mm is about 50mm (58mm filter), Nikon 85mm is 85mm (77mm Filter) 105mm is 105mm. (82mm filter) The sigma 50mm is 100mm (77mm filter) It’s an 85mm F2 lens with a speedbooster.

            • Hans J

              Interesting..

            • Vinnypimages

              You may not be surprised to see that the 85mm is 126mm with an 86mm Filter thread …

            • Hans J

              how do you know all this?

        • DrNo666

          What’s wrong with the 58mm? Focal length not exact but close enuff

          • Vinnypimages

            The 58mm is a strange lens for me, it’s is really good and a brave decision by Nikon, but ulitmately it is an unsharp portrait lens with amazing bokeh at a focal length that I use for far more things than portrait.

      • John Turner

        I totally agree Nikon need to introduce a new 50mm F1.4 and quickly too as the current offering struggles on the D800 series with edge sharpness. The Sigma ART is very sharp but as others have said lacks the tonal range of Nikkor’s and Zeiss.

  • T.I.M

    If you do nature, the best macro lens is the 105mm f/2.8
    (60/55mm are way to close to the subject and flashes.)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/980320c799ff834b780727be02f147fb1154cdfa58143ebfed27acd3f4fda4fb.jpg

    • Allan

      Nice!

      That is one ugly bug.

      • T.I.M

        All bugs are beautiful, except cockroaches!

        • But they are perfect. So perfect that they didn’t need to change anything since millions of years.

          • Eric Calabros

            That’s being perfectly​ successful in “not developing to higher level”

            • They survived to this day in the same form. What I mean is that, developing to higher level occus only if the current form is inadequate for survival of the species.

            • Allen_Wentz

              “Higher level” as applied to humans is pretty silly since we are on the brink of consciously driving our species to approaching extinction.

              A sound argument can be made that the likes of cockroaches _are_ higher level.

            • Eric Calabros

              The very fact that you predict our destiny, is showing one of the advancements human species managed to gain. Cockroaches in 2017 understand life as cockroaches did one million years ago. But you enjoy a version of life that even your grandfather couldn’t imagine. And yes, that experience includes specific anxieties about the future. A life with potential of anxiety is at higher level than a life without. Surviving a unenrichable life is not actually surviving, its like leting home automation keep turning lights on and off randomly to pretend you’re awake.

        • Spy Black

          That’s your wife talking…

          • T.I.M

            No, she is the one who pick them up (and we have many of them in Florida).
            I can deal with any kind of bugs, but since I’m a little kid, I’m scared of cockroaches, to a point that I keep my house perfectly clean, just to avoid having to deal with cockroaches.

      • ZoetMB

        That’s what the bug said about the photo of you.

        • Allan

          LOL.

        • T.I.M

          Bugs love my face, especially mosquitoes…
          :o(

    • Someone

      I don;t shoot macro nature so 105mm is too long for me.

      the current 60mm G is so good! Can;t understand why they want to upgrade it!

    • TurtleCat

      I’d say the best is the 200mm. It all depends on what you’re photographing closeup in nature. 😉

      • T.I.M

        The issue with the 200mm is that you get the flash back in the lens, making “red eyes” effect on your subjects.
        I tried all Nikon micro, from 40 to 200mm, the best for me is the 105mm, and I can also use it as a portrait lens when I’m too lazy to carry the big telephotos.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d38be8c89b5940a448d073d6521e6abf60f8fa6099fc7c0f2cc716793c002c4.jpg

        • TurtleCat

          Red eyes are usually from where you position the flash. I would use off-camera flash for a still subject. But since I don’t kill any subjects (it seems so many freeze or gas insects these days for pics) I try to work with available light. I’ve used the 105 for years and even with a 1.4 TC. Still, 105 is pretty short and you’re in their circle of fear area.

          • T.I.M

            The 105mm on D7200 give me a 157mm, perfect for most insects.
            The “red eye” effect increase if you increase the distance between the camera and the subject.
            In worse cases, I use two SB900 with soft light boxes mounted on mini tripods with wireless connection, but it’s a pain and not very practical for moving insects.

    • Derp

      I’d heavily suggest the current Sigma 105 Macro, I’ve tested 6 copies of the Nikkor and 2 of the Sigma. Both Sigmas were better than all Nikkor samples. Two of the Nikkor samples were so bad that I had to wonder how they passed quality control… The difference between the Nikkors was pronounced, even without test charts.

      • T.I.M

        Thanks for the feedback.
        Maybe there is something wrong with your camera, did you try to AF fine-tune the Nikkor lenses ?

        • Derp

          No camera issues. We’re not talking unusable lenses, just rather noticeable differences in lab settings between the various copies. No autofocus used, of course.

  • jmb2560

    They should rather focus all their efforts on the supposedly upcoming mirrorless. It has to be faultless. The 7Riii is getting a lot of attention and good reports (at least for now).

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      True but depends on form factor and mount. If Nikon 2 uses a different mount then there needs to be a good set of starter lens available when Nikon 2 hits the street. On the same time Nikon does need to update its F Mount lenses to ( as there is a stable and big uptake of F Mount ) and couple of key lens needed to be updated 200-400 F4, 200 macro, 50mm 1.4 and possibly the 24-120 F4 Afs VR. It may take Nikon ages to get traction and people to uptake Nikon 2 system.

      • I would like to see the 200 macro updated so I can use the D850’s focus shift feature.

    • Michael Jin

      The people who are working on developing lenses are not the same people who are developing bodies. Likewise, the people who are working on developing DSLR bodies are likely not people that would be developing mirrorless bodies. It’s like walking and chewing gum at the same time. A company can work on multiple things.

      • jmb2560

        Touché!

      • ZoetMB

        I agree that the lens designers are not the camera designers, but I don’t agree that the DSLR designers are not the mirrorless designers. They probably are, especially with all the layoffs at Nikon in recent years. What is probably true is that a lower level engineer is working on a relatively minor iterative DSLR update and a senior level engineer is working on the mirrorless.

        • Michael Jin

          The reason I said that the same people are not working on DSLR’s and mirrorless is because I imagine that the product lines are going to be developed in parallel for the near future. Generally speaking, you’re going to have separate teams working on each project that’s being developed at a given time.

          You’re also dealing with different technologies (and problems) between mirrorless and DSLR’s so while physics is physics and engineering might be engineering, it still makes sense to recruit a team that’s got more experience working with a particular set of technologies already to develop their mirrorless cameras rather than taking a bunch of people who have been developing DSLR’s all their careers and trying to bring them up to speed with the new issues that they are going to have to deal with.

          • ZoetMB

            You might be correct and that would probably be true at Canon, which is a much larger company, but my guess would be that it’s not true at Nikon. But it’s just a guess. If it were true at Nikon I would think they could have released a mirrorless by now.

            • RC Jenkins

              Nikon did release a mirrorless: Nikon 1.

            • ITN

              Nikon made 9 mirrorless interchangeable lens camera models with the CX sensor size.

              They didn’t release DX or FX mirrorless because they don’t want to kill their income from FX and DX DSLRs unless they can be sure they will make at least as much money from selling DX and FX mirrorless.

        • ITN

          Iterative improvement is what people do as they get older they get more experience and are able to make improvements. Young people are recruited to work on new technologies.

        • RC Jenkins

          While I overall agree, there’s probably much more overlap across many areas than that.

          For example, while optical lens designers may not work on the electronics of the lens bodies, they may work on things like viewfinders.

          Similarly, a lens designer working on VR could conceivably work on IBIS.

          Or the electronics, shell, mechanics (such as the mount), etc. in either the lens or the bodies.

      • Tony

        However there may a resource conflict in the lens design area. Do they have enough lens designers to simultaneously develop new F-mount lenses and new mirrorless lenses (assuming a new mount)?

        • RC Jenkins

          Let’s look at Nikon’s lens release history for F-mount for some clues:
          ::In 2017, Nikon released 5 lenses
          ::2016 = 7 lenses
          ::2015 = 8 lenses
          ::2014 = 5 lenses
          ::2013 = 6 lenses
          ::2012 = 5 lenses
          ::2011 = 2 lenses
          ::2010 = 9 lenses
          ::2009 = 6 lenses
          ::2008 = 7 lenses
          ::2007 = 7 lenses

          In parallel, Nikon also launched Nikon 1 in 2011 along with 5 lenses over the next year, and it designed complex lenses for compact / fixed lens cameras (eg. P900 83x zoom), KeyMission (180-degree lenses), DL (fast compact zoom), etc.–all in parallel to the above.

          I think Nikon will be fine.

          (EDIT: Source: https://www.apotelyt.com/photo-lens/nikkor-af-catalog)

          • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

            Shame that DL system wasn’t done and also a few years back from their planned date, in the end I had to go for Sony Equivalents.

            • RC Jenkins

              It really is a shame. The DLs were cameras I was interested in for pocketability.

              But who knows? Perhaps Nikon will eventually produce something even more competitive, since phones with things like dual cameras & advanced processing have improved quite a bit since then. Even if they don’t, at least we do have cameras like the RX100 & phones! 🙂

          • Gosh1

            Thanks – useful summary and great site!

        • Michael Jin

          This is true, but I’m guessing that given the fact that DSLR’s are still their primary competitive product, Nikon is not going to be diverting so many resources away from protecting their market share in this field to focus on mirrorless as that is the long game at this point.

          The best strategy at this point is probably to maintain the course with DSLR development (lenses and bodies) so that you maintain the revenue required to develop and get the mirrorless system off the ground. The stop-gap here will probably be a really good OEM adapter so that any DSLR lenses can theoretically be relevant on both systems until a native mirrorless lens line-up is fleshed out.

          You have to keep in mind that just because Nikon releases a mirrorless camera system doesn’t mean that everyone’s going to suddenly flock to it. They have to hedge their bets here and also assume that it’s going to take a few generations to really refine the system and work out any issues. And they also need to continue to make revenue throughout that entire “teething” period. It’s unreasonable to expect them to roll the dice like that and just drop everything for the sake of mirrorless as some are suggesting.

    • TurtleCat

      Nikon’s big enough to do more than one thing at a time 🙂

    • ITN

      I’d rather they not do that, I have no interest in cameras without optical viewfinders nor do I want to start a new system from scratch. There are plenty of mirrorless camera systems to choose from already.

      Reports are always favorable for new gear in the camera gear press because those publications live off advertising and thus their primary goal is to promote gear sales not to educate photographers. They promote the underdog because there is more growth potential there.

  • TurtleCat

    Ah, that’s what I predicted a while ago and if it wasn’t that then the 105mm. So if the 60 is updated the 105 macro will surely be next.

  • DrNo666

    I am hoping its the 200mm f4 but probably you are right about 60mm.

    • jvossphoto

      Agreed, Hopefully Nikon will update it down the road. VR would be nice for handheld work and with focus stacking on the D850 would make for a lot of fun with macro work.

  • animalsbybarry

    Considering the fact that the D850 has a new focus stacking feature it seems certain there will also be new macro lenses (more than just this one)

    Additionally the new lenses will probably work better with the new mirrorless camera/adapter than the old ones do

    • Gosh1

      Definitely! I bitch about this on forums, and we need to raise the volume in the hope Nikon get the resounding message. And the 200 f4 AFS is a huge gap.

      Far bigger is a Zoom Macro. Update of the 70-180mm Micro-Nikkor. Crazy that Nikon dropped this unique lens in 2004 – nature photographers will change systems for an AFS version to enable auto focus-stacking

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        true and update the 105 f2.8 as well – one of the oldest afs vr lenses that hasn’t been updated

  • Ertan Ozturk

    Shouldn’t Nikon focus on new mirrorless lenses more? I mean…

    • RC Jenkins

      You mean for the Nikon mirrorless platform that nobody owns? Or should they release lenses that support the D850 that people actually own today?

      Nikon is a big company. I’m sure they have more than one person on staff working on lenses.

      • Michiel953

        RC, be easy on Ertan…

        To be honest, I wouldn’t expect a reasonably serious company like Nikon to announce (or rumour) mirrorless lenses before they actually announce (or rumour) a mirrorless body. But that’s just me.

        What I would expect is that Nikon is developing a mirrorless system, body and some lenses. Maybe they’re even concentrating on it!

        We’ll see.

        In any case, why the obsession with Nikon going mirrorless? Where’s the benefit for the user?

        • dabug91

          I’m not convinced their even is much of one yet. Sure focus peaking is great, and EVF’s have their merits, but other than that? Meh.
          Did anyone watch B&H’s livestream with Sony bodies yesterday with the A7RIII? It seemed like most of the photographers on the panel more or less had complaints about the previous generations that the A7RIII addressed. And that’s fine and all, Sony should always be striving to move the ball forward, but the fact of the matter is that the A7RIII makes the first 2 generations of A7’s and even the A9 already seem antiquated or that they would be frustrating to use.
          Those who had been shooting A7 bodies said they would need anywhere from 3-9 batteries on them.
          To make it even more funny, more than one of them said that now with the new A7RIII, a single battery may get them through MOST of the day. You could almost get the sense that they may have been exaggerating ever so slightly even about just that one battery. I got the sense they all wanted to say you still need two but were too afraid to say it and make the A7RIII look bad, lmao.
          As far as I am concerned, every first and second generation A7 were just beta products, and even the A9. I kinda feel sorry for all the people that bought them for being Sony’s guinea pigs. Maybe their 4th generation will finally be the first mirrorless generation actually worth considering.

          • RC Jenkins

            As someone who uses both mirrorless and DSLR bodies, I can say that there are natural benefits to both.

            I take my mirrorless cameras (like my XPro2) places I can’t take my DSLRs. I shoot silently to get candid shots. I see a brighter image, with the actual DoF & frame when shooting in the dark. I use all of the focussing aids when manually focusing, including peaking, magnification, and split-prism view. This combo is a game-changer for me–it changes what and how I shoot.

            On the other hand, my DSLRs offer better IQ, continuous AF performance, and menu interface today. Much of this is just Nikon-specific or simply due to the sensor size in this mirrorless example. I expect common mirrorless cameras to catch up here over the next few years, if they haven’t already.

        • RC Jenkins

          Sorry @ertan_ozturk:disqus. I meant to be direct, but not rude.

          There are a few potential benefits to going mirrorless. Too many to list them all, but here are a few:
          ::EVF vs. OVF. Each has strengths & weaknesses.
          ::Reduction in manufacturing costs. Mirrorless cameras typically have fewer precise moving parts.
          ::Body size. Mirrorless camera bodies can be thinner and lighter.
          ::More flexibility for optics with a new mount.
          ::Reduction in complexity & calibration. Including focus, metering, framing, etc.
          ::Silent shooting

          DSLRs also have their benefits today.

          • jvossphoto

            Smaller bodies is really quite nil even a hinderance in my opinion considering the size of FF lenses. The bigger DSLRs tends to balance out big lenses.

            • RC Jenkins

              I don’t follow? Maybe a picture will help:

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cc52548939a6c434756520c9a4d0013844317ee1d7858db427092b013323906a.png

              You seem to be suggesting that my full-frame 40mm F/2 and 50mm F/1.4 lenses are ‘big lenses’? I’d disagree. I personally think they’re quite small. The 14-24 mounted is a fairly ‘big’ lens. Because it’s a fast, ultra-wide zoom.

              And I may have missed something, but I can (and do) fit the Fuji and primes into my laptop bag and take it everywhere I travel on business. Perhaps you can explain how I can similarly fit a small DSLR (like the D750 pictured) + prime lens into my laptop bag and take it everywhere I travel for the common street & travel shooting that I do?

            • jvossphoto

              True with the lenses you have pictured but not so much with anything bigger.

            • RC Jenkins

              Yes, but that’s the point. There are scenarios (and I’d argue, a common scenarios–normal primes + travel), where potentially thinner mirrorless cameras offer a very real size benefit. In this case, it’s even the difference between me having the camera and not.

              Not every camera is perfect for everything, so the argument that a camera doesn’t work in one particular scenario (large lenses) doesn’t discount the benefits that it does offer for other scenarios.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Well said.

      • Ertan Ozturk

        Jenkins,
        Designing a proper lens takes 2-3 years and Nikon is not a giant like Canon or Sony. Nikon has more limited resources so I’d rather them to design mirrorless lenses for the mirrorless system that they are rumored to release in 2018. That’d be my priority because Nikon need a leap jump, they don’t need more iterations for existing lenses (and the existing 60mm f2.8G is not a bad lens anyway).
        Am I clearer now?

        • RC Jenkins

          No. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

          You’re making an assumption that Nikon releasing an F-mount lens and Nikon designing a mirrorless lens are mutually exclusive processes that cannot happen concurrently.

          See my post here:
          http://disq.us/p/1o8e2od

          Nikon has historically done fine working on multiple lenses + multiple systems. For example, Nikon could slow down on designing compact cameras or lower-end DSLR products and re-allocate those resources to a mirrorless system without any interruption of higher-end DSLR products.

          With this particular lens, it appears that they’re trying to differentiate and future-proof the D850 further. Cameras like the D850 aren’t going away next year so they need to be supported too.

          You’re also making the assumption that Nikon hasn’t already been working on a mirrorless system. Just because it hasn’t been released doesn’t mean they’re not working on it. Nikon can’t release a mirrorless lens without a mount & camera–there’s a much higher overhead involved.

          Again, this doesn’t mean Nikon should just stop its entire business and have everyone work exclusively on the mirrorless system.

          • Ertan Ozturk

            Dear Jenkins,
            Designing and producing lenses take considerable amount of time and effort.
            What I mean is this:
            Nikon is losing market share while Sony and especially Canon is gaining. What Nikon needs is more traction, not 2-3 good lenses only. They need to hop into mirrorless market like a bulldozer as 2-3 good lenses will not cut it. Nikon needs at least 5 good lenses in 2018 for mirrorless. Producing also takes time (lens elements, chips, body parts etc..).
            Nikon already has excellent FF lenses so FF users can wait for 1 year.
            If Nikon can release 5 good lenses for mirrorless in 2018, then that’s perfect. I hope you are right.

            • RC Jenkins

              Even if your premise was true, you’re suggesting that Nikon only has capacity to design up to 5 lenses total: This 60mm lens + 4 mirrorless lenses, which would be short of the 5 you suggest is required. (Also, DSLR and FF are different things.)

              See my post again–they’ve historically released more than this, in parallel with other projects.

              In the last 3 years, Nikon released 20 DSLR lenses, while working on projects with complex lenses, like the 3-different lenses for the DL, Keymission, and P900.

              Between 2011 & 2012, Nikon released 7 F-mount lenses + 5 Nikon 1 lenses + the entire Nikon 1 system.

              This seems to run counter to your argument.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Hmm… You mention Nikon working on “the 3-different lenses for the DL” which might translate into a head start on the work needed for 3 MLC-specific lenses.

            • RC Jenkins

              Definitely could be, though the DL’s were based around 1″ sensors (like Nikon 1). I’d expect the mirrorless cameras to use APS-C and/or Full-Frame sensors, which would probably require new optical designs.

              But the DL lenses probably had some good learning points for Nikon to use in future lenses.

              The lenses on the DL were:
              ::6.5mm – 18.5mm F/1.8 – 2.8 (equivalent: 18-50mm F/4.9 – 7.6)
              ::8.8 – 31.3mm F/1.8 – 2.8 (equivalent: 24-85mm F/4.9 – 7.6)
              ::8.8 – 185mm F/2.8 – 5.6 (equivalent: 24-500mm F/7.6 – F/15)

              All were fast & compact because they were fixed, collapsable zooms (that partially recess into the body) for a 1″ sensor. If only Nikon made similar (though larger) lenses for Nikon 1 years ago… 🙂

              I think what will be most important in a mirrorless is for Nikon to ensure adequate selection of FF equivalent of F/4 or faster zooms and FF equivalent F/2.8 or faster primes –which would be F/2.8 or faster APS-C zooms and F/2 or faster primes. The more compact & inexpensive, the better, though they’ll be limited in what they can do in these regards.

              I personally think Fuji is getting it right with their lens selection. It’s not hundreds of lenses, but it’s many useful lenses for a variety of shooting styles.
              http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/xf_lens/roadmap/img/index/pic_02.jpg

            • Michael Jin

              Or Nikon can just release one really good adapter that allows their mirrorless system to use all of their F-mount lenses as well as their DSLR counterparts do and that would give them plenty of time to properly build out their native mirrorless line-up while instantly making a very strong case for plenty of current Nikon photographers to make that transition without much hassle.

              5 lenses or 10, any mirrorless effort by Nikon without a really good OEM adapter that preserves all of the performance of their current F-mount lenses is going to run into a hard time because people who want mirrorless and are willing to lose money by transitioning away from their current investment in lenses are likely to have already done so by this point. Many of the hold-outs are people who don’t like the idea of getting a fraction of their investment back on the lenses they own while being forced to pay full price for a set of lenses for a new system.

              As for Nikon’s FF lenses, a lot of them are currently in serious need of a refresh given how the 3rd party manufacturers have stepped up their game in recent years.

            • RC Jenkins

              Completely agree.

              “Mirrorless-specific lenses” will likely only be well differentiated in a handful of scenarios.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          couple of f mount lenses that need updating; 200 f4 macro, 105 afs vr macro and improved the 24-120 afs f4 vr and be good if nikon could do an equivalent to canon’s 24-70 f4 L IS with macro mode.

  • T.I.M

    Nice pictures, but the adds between each picture is really annoying.
    Also you may want to use faster lenses and higher ISO to reduce the flash impact on the subjects.

    • Chaitanya

      Thanks, those adverts are flickr’s doing. Generally I cannot push ISO higher than 640 during daytime(even during winters). Under more controlled condition(while photographing snakes and frogs) I do shoot with ISO 400-800 with couple of lights and big diffusers. Also I have 100mm f2.8L and due to DOF constraints I have to shoot between f/11-16.

      • T.I.M

        Closer you get to the subject and less D.O.F you get.
        (it goes with the ratio of the subject real life size and the image size on the sensor/film)
        If I want a dragonfly sharp nose to tail, I step back, shoot at f/8 ISO800 and crop the picture during processing (thanks to the D800’s 36MP)

  • Michael Jin

    What on earth would you do at an f/2.8 aperture at that magnification? Your DoF would be like the size of a speck of dust…

    • RC Jenkins

      Well, I suppose you could get a really sharp picture of that dust! 😉

      Or as I think about this more, I suppose you could theoretically use it in conjunction with the D850’s focus stacking feature..

      • Michael Jin

        You could, but aren’t lenses generally not sharpest wide open anyway? Is this different for the 60mm 2.8? I don’t own one so I’m not really sure if that rule still applies.

        • RC Jenkins

          Same here–I don’t own one, so I can’t offer much. My understanding is the same as yours–these lenses are primarily designed for macro shooting stopped down quite a bit. I can’t think of a scenario where I’d want to shoot it wide open for macros.

          • Allen_Wentz

            I can. Artistic reasons when one is trying to only emphasize the feature in focus. Like a mascara ad where you want only the eyelash not the eye. The 60mm might be too short for most models, but my point stays the same.

            Plus sometimes the dust is actually what you want to capture and/or emphasize.

  • RC Jenkins

    What’s the DoF like when you’re focusing that 21mm aperture 5cm in front of the lens?

  • Oguz

    Nikon should better update the very old design of the 200mm F4 AF-D Mikro. This is much more needed than a already existing AF-S 60mm.

    • TheInfinityPoint

      Agreed, I was going to post the same thing lol. I have the AF-D 60mm f/2.8 lens and even on my D800 it is pretty sharp for a lens that old. Interestingly enough I essentially got that lens for free after buying it as part of a bundle on craigslist and selling the other lens (a 55-200 lol) for the same amount I paid for both lol.

    • Elbert Jan Achterberg

      Exactly! The 200 Needs af-s and vr and 2.8 and the same IQ the old one has

      • Oguz

        You can use a 105mm Mikro f2.8 VR with converter, but only with Manual Focus then. So 150-210 mm is possible with VR in MF. But most Makro users do not use VR, so this would be a nice extra

  • Steven Choi

    it is 105mm 2.8!

  • rangel28

    In related news I just bought the AF Micro Nikkor 60mm f/2.8D on ebay. How do I tell my wife I need this new lens?

    • Allen_Wentz

      For your spouse:

      1) If you shoot DX that lens is a truly great lens for portraiture. It seems like a normal lens but gives the tele that makes subjects look good, yet without the obvious strong tele effect that longer lenses present.

      2) That lens may be the best lens made for many sizes of product photography.

      3) Being an older D lens you got a value that at this point will likely hold forever.

      4) That lens has value that you can walk into any pawn shop and get some quick cash.

      5) That lens always seemed particularly abuse resistant to me. YMMV of course.

      6) If you shoot both DX and FX or a D850 you actually got TWO f/2.8 lenses, a 60mm and a 90mm.

  • AYWY

    That is impossible from the perspective of physics. Cambrideincolor has an article on macro which explains why effective f-stop increases at macro distances. It’s the most easy to digest scientific explanation i know of on this topic.

    Every other camera brand does not report the real f-stop reading at macro distance.

  • someone

    I’m a tad confused about compatibility – this new adapter is designed specifically for the 60 G macro, but lists body compatibility as the D850 only. The ES-1, which I assume is compatible with earlier bodies, stops lens compatibility listing with the 60 D macro.

    So what do you do if you have a 60 G on a D800?

    • Mike

      The D850 is the only camera that can turn a negative to colour JPEG in body.

      • someone

        right, but if you don’t care about the in-camera image processing, would the adapter still “work”? It’s not electronically connected to the camera or anything, is it?

  • DrNo666

    IMHO its not rocket science to predict upcoming FX lenses nowadays. Primes comes in various focal lengths and there are few new revolutionary things that can pop up. 14 16 20 24 35…and up to 800mm. Some are older, some are more popular and that will decide what Nikon does next. Really popular also comes in two price versions.

    • Allen_Wentz

      OK. Please predict for me when Nikon will give us an FX ~24-120mm or (preferable) ~20-100mm zoom of performance as good as the DX 16-80mm on a D500.

      • Yes, I want to also hear the Nikkor prediction for the next 5 years.

      • DrNo666

        I am not sure if i understand ur question fully but i would say it will take several years before Nikon upgrades 24-120mm. 200-400mm, 14-24mm are likely to be upgraded next when it comes to FX zooms.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Thanks for that. I am afraid you are very likely correct.

  • bgbs

    I’m tired with all these new NIKKORs having hefty price tag. Thanks to NIKKOR criminal pricing strategy, I have been building up my third-party collection.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Thanks to Nikon’s generally far superior build quality I have been abusing my Nikkor collection for decades and they all still work. Enjoy your third party stuff, just don’t beat on it in hard field usage.

      The one (almost) unequivocal rule in photography is that you get what you pay for. Exceptions exist of course (like Nikon’s 35mm DX and 200-500mm bargains) but they just prove the rule.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Not just Nikkors but Canon L and Sony too

  • NikonFanboy

    admin, Nikon D5s will be released with D500S? or just on its own next year?

    just keen to know thats all.

    • No D500s for sure, still not sure about the D5s 🙂

  • Davis5

    200mm macro with serious VR system? NO? the 200mm macro have 30 years….

  • Derp

    The current 60G is a great lens, if anything a new 105 would be a welcome addition: The current 105 is vastly overrated.

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