What to expect next from Nikon?

Nikon Rumors
Most of the rumored Nikon products I reported in the past few months are already officially announced. Here is what's left:

Nikon DSLR cameras

Nikon 1 

Large sensor Nikon mirrorless camera

  • No new updates on the Nikon mirrorless camera with a larger sensor, but I would like to think this rumor is still alive.

Lenses

I don't think Nikon will announce another product in 2016. Expect an official announcement at the CES show in early January 2017 and then at the CP+ in late February 2017.

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  • Zinchuk

    Nothing on D810 replacement? It’s been over 40 years since the D800 came out. I’m dying here. I need to replace my D700 secondary body.

    • 40 years? That *is* a long wait.

      • Art

        He got his very early. While cool, I’m sure it was hard having to wait for much of the time for hard drives to be invented and then having 40MB hard drives that could only hold a couple jpegs that were too big to display.

      • sickheadache

        It took Canon..50 years to get a somewhat decent Sensor…Sony on the DL.

    • T.I.M

      I use my D800 daily, and I love it ! (it goes well with my D900)

      • VanHoff

        What do you use your D800 daily for? to spank your wife’s ass?
        I understand that the lcd protector makes a sweet sound when impacted on a fat ass skin.

        • T.I.M

          And why would I spank my wife, she is beautiful, nice, and a great lover, no need to spank her !

          • Alaska

            but you are visually impaired…. so you don´t kwno how ugly she really is.

            • T.I.M

              Don’t worry, you too can date a beautiful woman, the difference is that you will have to pay for that.

      • TheInfinityPoint
      • sickheadache

        The E and 810 better.

    • TwoStrayCats

      I know, I know: if I’d bought one of those early D800’s back in ’76 I would’ve been so far ahead in this game.

    • Zinchuk

      Typo, I see. I think my old, since-stolen Olympus OM-1 was 76 vintage.

      • T.I.M

        All we (I) need is a 48MP D800 with clean ISO 800
        The 800 ISO on my D7200 look great, no noise, I now use that DX camera with my telephotos lenses (on my 400mm f/2.8 AF-I with the x1.4 and DX crop factor, I get a 840mm f/4 !)

        • 48 is too few at this point, it needs to be >50 and ideally for me would be closer to 70.

          • T.I.M

            Right now the D800’s 36MP allows me to print 13×19″ (30x45cm) at 1400dpi and even with some cropping.
            The 48MP sensor will get me larger print out.

            • RHC

              Hi TIM. I own a D750 and I’ve printed some pictures with 108 x 160cm perfectly. Great details, colors, no pixels. Just amazing. Try professional services with Cansom Rag paper, Canon 10 or 12 colors printer.

            • everbeenthere

              I’m sitting looking at a 60″x60″ print of an arsey Chef that I took on my D3s and it’s pin sharp and beautiful. Why do I need 50mp to print something large? Don’t understand.

            • T.I.M

              Hi everbeenthere,
              Well, “regular” prints are printed at 200-300dpi, and it is OK for most people.
              But if you print at high resolution, 1440 dots per inch, or (dpi) then you need much more pixels to start with.
              I believe 50MP (FX) is an honest limit, more than that will be a waste of ROM and RAM.

            • What prints will you do that need 1440dpi, and at which distance will they be viewed at? Unless you are printing money, I doubt this is a real need. Sure, in special cases, but not for all your prints.

            • T.I.M

              Well you’re right, not every prints need to be done at 1440dpi.
              But when your a pro, you have to be able to do it all, I can print at 300dpi with a 1440dpi printer but not the other way around.
              I already have 3 printers, not much room left in my office.

            • Art

              What’s wrong with printing money?
              Oh yea… 😉

          • amacfly

            Agreed, those of us who want medium format quality in a 35mm form factor need a Nikon that’ll do that. I am just sorry we have to take a prosumer model rather than a D6.

            • I would prefer a D900 with a high MP sensor over a D5x, I just don’t care for the massive body. The D810 is big enough already. I know many would want it, I just hope Nikon picks one of the two.

            • T.I.M

              If you don’t have the battery grip on your D810, try it, it make portrait size shooting MUCH easier, and also a better balance with heavy lenses.

            • I had it on my D800 and didn’t like it, I decided to try one more time on my D810, liked it even less. I find the camera too bulky and it doesn’t sit nearly as well on the side when strapped around my shoulder. I also didn’t find any benefit with my bigger lenses (biggest of which is the 200-500).

        • Antonio

          You’re right amending the “all we” with your “(I)” as not everybody would like to get a 48MP camera and I’d bet a lot of people still using D700 would prefer a 24MP or even a 20MP sensor instead.

        • Spy Black

          You should try that on a Nikon 1 body. You’d have a 1512mm f/4. 😉

        • I think 24 DX scaled to FX would be 54, not 48. However, I also get great looking raw files out of my Sony RX100 which is a 20mp 1″ sensor. Scale that to FX and you get 104mp so that type of pixel density is already proven. In order to get better high ISO performance, you can pixel bin or just make a ~80mp full frame sensor. I would prefer that over a “modest” bump from 36 to 48.

          • Eric Calabros

            Yea, diffraction is hoax!

            • So I guess we are stuck at 24mp forever? Nice try.

            • Eric Calabros

              not forever. just when our lenses don’t look horrible at f/8. before 105mp sensor, we need 105mmf/1.4 class optics.

        • SGG

          I’ll be perfectly fine with 42Mpx D850/D900. At that point the ISO performance and speed will be more important than mpx. Not that 36mpx are not already enough.

      • nwcs

        Lol, just feels like 40!

  • Interesting. Just a J6 in February is quite a long time without any progress on the mirrorless or D850… it almost feels like Nikon is keeping some projects far away from prying eyes and working full steam on them, to be followed with multiple launches in 2017.

    Hope springs eternal, right?

    • parallax

      That is certainly the optimistic view of things, yes…

  • Nikon seem to be concentrating on the ‘J’ series for the 1 line. I’m not a likely customer for a 1, but I would only consider a model with an EVF. I wonder if they have plans to continue the ‘V’ models? I think they would sell better to enthusiasts.

    • DLynch

      The N1 line is a waste of their time and efforts. They need to wake up and move on. The Nikon 1″ sensor cameras are competing against the standard P&S’s and the cellphones and that is a losing battle. The J5 did well because it had 1/2 the features of the V3, a better sensor, and was half the cost. Adding the features back into a J series unit will make them increase the cost and they will have a V3 quality camera in a J series body. Not sure I get their reasoning on this. Sounds like they are looking to change the V3 sensor and the V3 label. And maybe a few new features. Cost will be the key, but IQ again will be competing with cellphones and P&S’s. Good Luck Nikon.

      • Thom Hogan

        “Waste of time and efforts.” Not exactly.

        I do agree that Nikon’s inactivity in the Nikon 1 line and inability to actually lock in any truly usable design prior to the J5 is a big problem. We’re now in the “too little too late” problem. And there’s still this lingering issue that Nikon seems to think the target of Nikon 1 is something outside mainstream camera buyers (e.g. women).

        • akkual

          You clearly don’t understand business. Mirrorless dslr replacements (like Sony alpha series and Olympus pens) are very oversaturated market at the moment. Making a product there would be waste of time&money for Nikon as long as DSLRs still sell more: no significant income expectable == hard to get NRE costs back. However, P&S are slowly dying away due to the mobile phones, yet there are people who want small and better quality camera in addition to their mobile phone. That is where Nikon 1 series is a killer at the moment (as the DL will be for those who don’t need multiple lenses).. especially if added with Snap Bridge. For some reason tho, Nikon 1 only sells in Asia at the moment. I guess western consumers are not so camera interested people and are happy with their potato quality mobile phones.

          • Thom Hogan

            I’ve started and managed many multi-million dollar businesses in the tech business, including a camera business. Have you?

            Now, as to mirrorless and oversaturated market. Yes and no. Canon, Fujifilm, and Sony have had clear unit volume and profit gains in the past year in mirrorless. Nikon, Olympus, and Panasonic have not; all have experienced declines. Meanwhile, Canon’s DSLR unit volume has stayed flat while Nikon’s is dropping, and faster than any time in the previous three decades. If you follow the tail and see what dog that’s attached to, Nikon is basically losing DX sales to mirrorless.

            The Nikon 1 is not “a killer” in any sense of the word at the moment. Very poor sales. Dealers don’t want to stock them. And the DLs, as I’ve pointed out, essentially obviate any need for a Nikon 1 in the 18-85mm range, which is where most people want a small camera. As it turns out, buying those two DLs nets you better cameras and faster lenses than buying a Nikon 1 and any set of lenses Nikon currently offers for it, and probably at a lower price.

            SnapBridge is interesting but a very incomplete and problem-ridden effort so far. I’ve tried twice to use it in actual circumstances that warrant it. It’s not ready for prime time.

          • Tony Beach

            “For some reason tho, Nikon 1 only sells in Asia at the moment. I guess western consumers are not so camera interested people and are happy with their potato quality mobile phones.”

            My nephew asked for a camera recommendation a couple of years ago, and mentioned the Nikon 1. I told him to get a D3200 instead because it would be better for shooting his newborn in lowlight, less expensive, and more versatile and something he and his wife could expand on if they got into photography more seriously. Turns out I was pretty right about that last part in particular since Nikon 1 has turned into a dead end.

      • MiK Images

        Could you show us your (any) N1 photos? (please don’t forget to add what N1 body and lens you’re using)

        • DLynch

          Had a V3, sold after 6 months. I have a bunch of photos. At work now.

        • DLynch

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e86901718853b1d01e0fa5656c04b143c4906c63c8027440bfa734f37dfabfcc.jpg

          V3 with the 18.5, I also had the 70-300. Both good lenses. Just some kids performing in the streets.

          • MiK Images

            Thanks. Nice photo. So why were you disappointed with V3?

            • DLynch

              ISO performance of the N1’s is very poor, not just this camera’s issue but this is the nature of the 1″ sensor. Also with the lack of development of the system proves to me I made the correct decision to move on. The size of the system is great but the poor IQ at ISO’s above 800 did not work for me. Yes you can get a good 1600 or even 3200 at times depending on the composition but too rare for me. If it works for you go out and enjoy it. Peace out.

            • MiK Images

              Yes, but this is quite obvious. 1” sensor couldn’t perform in low light condition like FF. So I never compare N1 to FF or APSC. The closest competitor is m43. I had OM-D EM10. Sold, because low light performance was similar to N1 J5. Or from the other side, N1 J5 with BSI sensor “can do” quite well in low light condition. And AF (PDAF) performance is superb.
              The main problem is lack of new lenses development. Small sensor gives opportunity for small & fast lenses instead of boosting ISO.

            • DLynch

              I wasn’t comparing the V3 to a FF, I just didn’t want a camera with that much ISO limitations.

      • akkual

        How it is losing battle? Who else provides anything high quality at P&S what Nikon 1 series is in it’s price range. It’s very well thought product to hit a point in market, where there is no competition. And it works in Asia, where people are more camera oriented than in western where apparently people satisfy with mobile phone quality.

        • DLynch

          Glad you are happy with your camera, enjoy.

    • Thom Hogan

      My impression is that a J6 came naturally from the DL design, so why not release it? I don’t hear of any other Nikon 1 development going on at the moment. I still believe the Nikon 1 line to be a dead end, and mostly already dead.

      As for V, if the J6 used the DL optional EVF, then you don’t need a V3 style V4, do you?

      • You mean the optional EVF that sits in the hotshoe so that you can either use the EVF or a flash, but not an EVF *and* a flash? Not a fan.

        I use an EVF 95% of the time, so in that sense it’s not really ‘optional’ for me either and I’d really rather have the thing built in.

    • akkual

      I am sure that Nikon has decided to skip mirrorless prosumer versions for now. It’s better strategy to provide 1 series with point&shoot price for those who want small camera but better quality than mobile phone. Nikon 1 J5 kinda hits sweetspot in that at the moment. High quality in very small packet and one of the cheapest mirrorless (and far smaller than other cheap options). It’s very unique product in that sense and apparently due to those reasons sells very well in Asia.

      I’d assume Nikon will bring first serious pro mirrorless FX camera to compete with Sony A7 series and Fuji XT2. Then when they have the technology existing in high price range product, NRE costs are far less to rip it down to a low cost hobbyist product when the time is correct (mirrorless start to be significant threat to DSLRs). Typically it’s better for NRE costs to do top of the line product first and scale it down, instead of doing middle ground product and then scale it up and down.

  • sperdynamite

    Man I hope they fix the DF. So much potential.

    I was looking at my FE2 and I noticed that the mount is on quite a pedestal. Couldn’t they do that with the DF body to keep the overall body size down? I wonder if they could ergonomically do that without it looking too weird.

  • Steven Thomas

    Some dx only lenses would be nice. I’d love a 50-150 f2.8 vr or an affordable ultra wide.

    • Balazs Bezeczky

      Unless it’s like Sigma’s non-OS size and weight-wise, you might as well by the 70-200.

      • Steven Thomas

        I already use the sigma non os 50-150 f2.8 and I like it for the small size. Only issue is the unreliable autofocus. I find the 70-200 too big for my personal liking and the 50 at the short end suits me as well.

        • David Peterson

          Agreed, 50mm is much nicer on the short end of the zoom with DX than using a 70-200mm

    • Piooof

      This one has been missing since the D1. I believe they’ll never build such a lens, alas. Your only hope is that Tamron or Tokina offers a modern 50-135 f/2.8 or similar. Sigma will not redo it since it already sells the 50-100 f/2, which is great but not for everybody.

    • lkasf123lhk

      more DX lens please!!!

      want a 12-24 update, pro grade ultra wide zoom.

  • JoCarpenter

    I love my D810. I just wish I could share an image from it to social media like every other Joe with a cell phone can.

  • Tieu Ngao

    If Nikon decides to go with mirrorless, it’s better to go full-frame where competition is less fierce. In this case it should have a new mount to take full advantage of the small size/weight and short flange of the mirrorless, but at the same time Nikon should offer a free adapter to be used with F-mount lenses with all features supported.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Free adapter, not likely. Nikon loves to charge for stupid shit.

    • animalsbybarry

      Make it E mount
      See my comment below for my reasons to do this

    • I would prefer native F-mount support with no adapter. Using an adapter is a compromise.

  • animalsbybarry

    I hoping for a good FF mirrorless Nikon camera to use the A9 sensor and compete with the Sony A9 ( or whatever they actually call it )
    Current Canon rumors ( on many differrent sites ) seem to indicate that Canon is having some difficulties
    If rumors are to be believed Canon is having autofocus issues with AE mount lenses on thier mirrorless prototypes and are therefore likely to put AE mount on thier FF mirrorless camera
    This will also most likely delay the first FF Canon mirrorless to late 2017 prevent 2018
    This presents Nikon with an opportunity to get there first and gain an advantage.
    Since Nikon is willing to buy Sony sensors they can buy a sensor that is state of the art and already optimized for mirrorless

    I will also repeat the suggestion I have already made

    The new FF Nikon mirrorless camera should be E mount, and a new fully functional F mount to E mount adapter should also be made.

    This will gain a double advantage over Nikon’s main competitor CANON
    Not only will Nikon beat Canon out of the starting gate, but they will also revelutionize the camera industry by actually cooperating with one of thier competitors to establish an industry standard mount… consumers will love the freedom to choose right away between all the great Nikon lenses, with fully compatable adapter… native E mount lenses…or almost any other lens via currently available adapters

    I strongly feel that this would be the best possible move Nikon could make.

    In a declining system camera market it makes much more sense to make cameras more consumer friendly by making all products compatable…than it does to continue trying to force consumers to buy your own brand even if they would prefer to buy something else

    There will not be a net loss of business to people buying competitors product… those losses would be more than offset by users of competing products buying Nikon

    Compete by building the best cameras and lenses so people will choose the better Nikon product…. Nikon is definitely fully capable of doing that.

    • Tieu Ngao

      I’d agree with you on the compatibility idea and standardized components, but for Nikon to go with E-mount, I can see 2 potential issues:
      1. Is E mount the best possible mount for mirrorless cameras?
      2. Nikon may feel that it’s a yield or defeat by Sony

      • animalsbybarry

        1. I do not think that one mount is inherently better or worse than all others. Most bayonet type mounts are besicslly similar but made slightly differrent for the sole purpose of being incomparable with the competitions products.
        That being said, if the intention is to make an industry standard mount then it would make the most sense to use E mount because this is currently the most widely used mount and I believe Sony has either made it an open system, or would be willing to do so.
        2. I believe it is not only possible for Nikon to compete with Sony on a product to product level ( rather than a system t system level ) but I also believe it is to Nikon’s long term advantage
        Remember… Sony is not Nikon’s biggest competition…Canon is, and in a shrinking system camera market it is not enough to outdo the direct competition, it is also necessary to give the consumer as much reason to choose a system camera as possible. Universal mount ( intestate compatability ) would be a major reason to use a system camera…. proprietary and incomparable products are a major reason to choose a differrent alternative to a system camera.

        • Tieu Ngao

          As far as I know, flange distance and mount diameter affect lens design. For example Nikon F-mount diameter is smaller than Canon EF mount and it’s difficult for Nikon to make f/1.2 lenses with AF.

          • animalsbybarry

            The shorter flange distance in E mount, and other mirrorless mounts, does not actually “change” lens designs however it does allow additional Desighns that cannot be used in SLR
            Traditional short focal lengths have had to be desighned as retrofocus in order to allow sufficient distance between the rear element and the mirror.
            Mirrorless Desighns do not have that limitation, but all other desighn principles are the same
            When viewed from the front E mount appears too small to accomadate a FF sensor and cuts off the corners
            This is however deceptive because the image is diverging from the rear lens element, and is therefore not obstructed by the lens mount
            One particular type of lens that has presented a challenge for mirrorless cameras is the teleconverter.
            This lens requires distance between the lens and sensor to work.
            The TC must therefore extend further into the lens than a comparable SLR teleconverter
            Sony has recently built such a teleconverter for thier G Master series… but very few current E mount lenses will ever work with a teleconverter because the rear element is too close.
            The size savings afforded by the shorter camera is usually negated by the fact that the lenses themselves are longer

            Currently the greatest limitation of mirrorless cameras is the incompatibility/unavailability of long lenses

            • I’m not sure your point on flange distances is strictly true. If the flange distance is very small, which i believe E mount is the the rear element might still be too close for retro designs like wide angle lenses. Ultimately a mirror or a sensor is in the way. A very small flange will allow you to mount lots of other lenses with adaptors but will change your lens design. Imagine wide angles that could use a tonne of space in that spare flange? I personally think Nikon should keep the f mount. Mirrorless is not just about size and weight. No doubt we will loose the mirror same day, but i don’t expect to see sports photos using tiny cameras. A d810 sized camera with no mirror will give designers a tonne of space for some high end specs. Plus they could probably use the empty space from removing the mirror for lens design.

            • animalsbybarry

              If F mount is retained then lenses cannot be made that utilize the space where the mirror used to by
              If they did that then some users would attempt to put the lenses on SKR and debtor thier equipment

    • Nikon camera with E-mount? I think there is a better chance to see a Sony camera with Nikon F mount.

      • animalsbybarry

        I will not speculate on the probability that we WILL SEE a Nikon E mount camera, but I do firmly believe it would be in the best interest of both Nikon and the consumer if this did happen… and I have therefore stated my case to support that opinion.

  • Zinchuk

    Picking up on JoCarpenter’s post: wish list for an D810 replacement:
    36-48 megapixel
    6 fps+
    integrated wireless flash control for the SB5000
    integrated wifi
    Integrated GPS
    Integrated bluetooth for cellular pairing and being able to transmit immediately.

    Anything else?

    • More MP, OLED high res LCD, D5 focus system.

      • Lowhook

        I second D5 focus system.

    • miyaker

      Full frame focus points (or some creative solution providing similar function since true coverage probably isn’t possible)
      Smaller and (especially) lighter (I’m not holding my breath)
      No defects (I’m not holding my breath)

    • Štefan Herics

      I would say ISO without noise up to ISO 25600 🙂

      • Morris

        and a piece of cake 🙂

  • Neopulse

    Nikon 1 – Hope the Macro lenses come out also

    DX: Although the kits got a refresh not too long ago and the 70-300mm is a very welcome lens, but I think the 40mm f/2.8, 85mm f/3.5 and the 10.5mm f/2.8 deserve the E makeover.

    FX: Any news about the D610 and D750 lines if they will ever get updated or will Nikon stay with one of the 2.

    Accessories: More powerful bluetooth transmitter although depends greatly on software rather than hardware as I recall.

    • Sawyerspadre

      While I hear you that these DX lenses would be nice to upgrade, they aren’t as critical as some DX primes. Start with a 16, then add a 13, to cover the 24 and 20mm equivalents.

      Priorities, in order:
      1. Sharp
      2. Small
      3. Affordable
      4. Fast. If they can be 2.8, but sharp, small and affordable, they will sell like hot cakes. Think of lenses to complement the 35 1.8 DX, which is sharp, smallish, and inexpensive.

      • Neopulse

        No doubt, there are others that are critical, but I kinda mentioned an ultra wide, standard and short tele as classic examples. Small yeah, so far they are doing that Nikon unlike Sigma for instance. The 35mm DX version definitely deserves a refresh also. Can’t believe I didn’t mention that one instead of the 40mm. Anywho yeah those would kick ass.

    • AYWY

      A DX lens desperate for an update is the 12-24 f/4. That was 2002. We had a 10-24 less than a decade ago, which is unfortunately still not the best for the batch of new 24MP sensors.

      Give me a competent successor to the 12-24 and I could be willing to move off from FX… but is that what Nikon wants?

      Their strategy in the last 4 years is to push customers up the price chain to FX. But now Fuji is eating up both Canikon in the space they neglected. We are hearing stories of people letting go of FF Canikon for Fuji.

      I myself might have gone with DX if it didn’t feel so neglected… :p

      • Neopulse

        That is understandable. I also left Nikon (partially) for Fuji because of that same reason. Although I still have a D7100 I used loaned from time to time with several lenses, I just know that it might get sold in the end to get another system chances are.

    • Morris

      FX, need no news, see the D500 (none knew until released)
      it’s pretty mathematical (if nikon want to survive) that these refreshes are coming after a 2 years cycle, matter of months

  • sperdynamite

    I’m not saying it has to be AS thin as an FE2, but even if they could shave off a cm with a mount pedestal, could be worth it.

    I hope we see an improved focusing system, at MINIMUM the one in the D750. That was the achilles heel of the Df for my weddings. It could not nail the 58/1.4 wide open reliably even after calibration. In that way it wasn’t worth it’s high price, which is a shame because I LOVED everything else about it. They need to price it like a D750, and give us 2 card slots and an AF system that keeps up, IMO. Basically make it a D700 replacement.

  • Neopulse

    Better the D750 to keep costs down.

  • Captain Megaton

    “A new Nikon 1 J6 mirrorless camera with 4k video and SnapBridge is expected in 2017”

    That was never stated in the interviews, is it new info obtained by NR?

    • Yes, this was not part of the interview, that’s why I said “expected” instead of rumors. I did receive some info on the J6 but nothing reliable for now.

      • Eric Calabros

        What a funny-messy situation man, they released DLs and sent the “N1 is Dead” message with that but couldn’t deliver, so the only thing that announcement did was exactly destroying N1. The funnier thing is they are going to do it again at CES. With releasing another 1inch mirrorless, they make a perception like “Nikon is not interested in large sensor mirrorless, waiting any longer is just wasting time, we have to switch”.

        • Thom Hogan

          Yep. And a situation of their own making.

          Here’s a summary:

          Nikon is a camera company (60% of sales) but:
          * failed to bring out an announced line of product
          * has left a second line for dead
          * never fully filled out a third line and let competitors steal customers
          * managed to push a small percentage of their customers to more expensive FX, where they actually have a reasonably full line

        • Yes, this is a mess. They should come out and tell exactly what their mirrorless plans are. Are they afraid that somebody will copy their idea? There are enough mirrorless cameras on the market today and I seriously doubt Nikon will come up with something groundbreaking.

        • Davo

          The DLs should have been 2X crop sensor instead of 1″. And still come in the same equiv focal length that were announced in (ie. 18-50, 24-85 and 24-500). They aren’t pocketable anyways and this would differentiate them from most other 1″ advanced compacts. The LX100 would be its only competitor.
          Then the Coolpix A successors could join the DL (2X crop) line with a 21mm, 28mm, 35mm and 58mm variants, some of which will be pocketable depending on how fast they decide to make the lenses.
          That would take some pressure off Nikon 1 and maybe develop that into a video orientated system or something else.

      • Captain Megaton

        Ok I see now. “expected” is a tough word to parse, it could mean “expected because I have heard reliable into” just as well as “expected because that’s what I imagine the interviews meant”.

        my 2c is that while a J6 will certainly have snapbridge and 4k, the likelyhood of it ever being released is still slim … but getting more likely with every month the DLs stay delayed.

  • phil’erupjacko

    looking forward to trading in all of my Nikon shit for the new Fuji MF

    • I love Apples

      Good. Then your whinny azz can go post on their rumors site.

      • phil’erupjacko

        great, looking forward to that also!

    • Il take it off your hands. Got any good lenses? Give ya a tenner.

  • Clubber Lang

    It would have been nice if Nikon threw their customers a bone sometimes. Some type of hint that they were going to take that Nikon 1 system seriously. It seems pretty wishy washy. I can’t be certain but I think a ton of people may have jumped ship and moved on. This is a crazy time in the camera world so every penny counts when you start to think about purchasing a camera system. Will the mount survive? Will you be buying lenses and they become paper weights in a year or so? Will all of these companies still be in business in a few years? etc. etc.

  • Spy Black

    “There have been many new lens patents designed for cameras with 1″ sensor.”

    I think they can be applied to DL-like cameras however. Hope springs eternal, but unless Nikon pulls a D500 with a V body (V5?), I don’t see N1 going beyond an essentially worthless J6.

    • Worthless to you.

      • Spy Black

        Fair enough. I curious how worthwhile you find it however.

        • DLynch

          You know my opinion on this. Dump the N1 line and move on!

        • Here’s some fun. I did a google search and found some of my work – which of these top several pictures were shot with a D810 and which with a J4?

          Being able to shoot full size shots while rolling video is such an invaluable feature I cannot praise it enough – I don’t have many samples of it on my phone but when you’re rolling video and something spectacular comes along or happens and you come away with a stellar shot AND video from one tiny little throw around camera, you want more.

          I beat mine up and have thrown it through the ringer, it’s gotten the job done in a 40 hour a week photo video job in stupid bad weather. And it’s not even weather rated for anything.

          • Spy Black

            My main point really was that we don’t need another J camera, we need a competent V camera.

      • And to me

  • cdstum

    Wish Nikon would release a new 135mm prime with better AF and less CA than the current DC offering. It’s still a great lens but could easily be improved with a replacement.

    • T.I.M

      Did you try the AF-S 200mm f/2 ?
      NO CA AT ALL (thanks to the super ED element)
      I use that lens at f/2 90% of the time (and it works well with the x1.7)

  • AYWY

    What really should be expected in 2017 are:
    – D5500 successor
    – D750/D610 successor
    – D810 successor
    – The Df successor.

    That’s already 4 cameras in a year! And we have not counted lenses. My niggling feel is that if there is an MILC planned for 2017 – it could be in the list above. I find it hard to believe Nikon can manage the release of an additional MILC in addition to all the above in the same year. If they do, get ready for the “Nikon regretfully apologizes that shipments will be delayed X number of months due to blah blah blah” announcements.

  • MonkeySpanner

    Any chance Nikon will ever update the decade and a half old 17-55 lens? Would be nice to get a new one that weighs less.

    • Davo

      If they do, it’ll be AF-P and work well with F-mount mirrorless.

  • RHC

    I would like that Nikon put some effort to make a better wireless software to mobile apps. They don’t support full res files transfers to app (like Sony app), don’t allow to choice other resolutions, doesn’t support raw transfer files – that are already compatible at iOS 10.
    And the communication to use the phone like remote is too slow, with small control of settings.
    I’m came from a NEX e-mount system, the app is not perfect, but is very better than Nikon. Sony camera app updates 5 or 6 times per year, with nice improvements.

    Almost 10 months with D750 and no update, and zero improvement.
    I’m suffering to transfer file to Iphone. Just not possible share files with some quality. The interface design is stupid, amateur.

    D750 Owner.

    • Andrey Opohmelkin

      qDslrDashboard is amazing software for wireless work. It’s fast and very capable.

  • sickheadache

    Dear Nikon….I placed an order this year of the New D900 with 70 mp. What’s up with that very Simplistic Order?

    • Thom Hogan

      They can’t find the extra pixels you requested. Would you settle for 54?

      • HD10

        24mp (DX) x 1.5 x 1.5 (FX) = 54mp.

        It’s logical and expected for Sony to develop such a sensor but I have not seen anything to indicate that Sony has such a sensor in development. If such a sensor is indeed in development, I expect that such a sensor would have OSPDAF so that Sony can use the same for its mirrorless camera, and possibly for use in a NIkon mirrorless as well.

        Do you see any problem in using such a 54mp sensor with integrated OSPDAF with a dSLR (D500 body with 54mp FX sensor)?

        • Thom Hogan

          The same sensor can be made (easily) without PD or (slightly less yield) with it. Note that we’ve had sensors appear without PD first from Sony, later with it. So I don’t believe PD enters into the picture at all.

          It also appears that Nikon is making everything recently at the old Toshiba (now Sony) fab. That includes the D7200 sensor, which everyone keeps saying is “Sony” even though it has a Toshiba part number. The trendline in DX seems to indicate that Nikon licensed Exmor and started fabbing their own versions at Toshiba.

          So to answer your question, I think Nikon can do anything they’d like, and the 24mp DX seems like a logical thing to take to FX. It’s what I would expect because everything is well known, and it its performance is fine.

          But who knows, maybe there’s some new tech getting ready to be deployed.

          • Allan

            “But who knows, maybe there’s some new tech getting ready to be deployed.”

            Hmm.

          • Eric Calabros

            two stitched D7200 sensor and LSI behind it.
            But will look like catching up 5DS. They need something other than resolution to differentiate.

            • Thom Hogan

              You mean like better dynamic range? ;~)

              The high megapixel count cameras are going to start getting tricky now. We’ll be at diffraction-limited pixel counts, for instance. Unlike the D800, where everyone could see the difference, not as many will at 50+mp, so demand for such products will be less than the D8xx class, I think.

              Any D810 followup is going to have plenty going for it in just the new autofocus and metering system. I don’t think Nikon need worry much about pixels other than having them ;~).

            • Tony Beach

              I prefer diffraction impaired to diffraction limited. Going from the D200 to the D300 I did see that the subtle differences between the two in terms of resolution went away past f/11. Now I have to wonder if the same thing happens between the D800 and the D750 at about the same aperture, but I suspect it’s more of a drop-off than a hard limit.

              I have also compared my D300 at f/16 to my D70 at f/5.6 and while the D70 was resolution limited the D300 was merely diffraction impaired and was still resolving well beyond what the D70 could resolve. Extrapolating from these experiences I would say diffraction can blur (literally) the differences between marginally different pixel density sensors but larger differences can still show more resolution in spit of significant diffraction.

            • Eric Calabros

              40mp is enough for most if us. They could make it faster, a 8fps 40mp with improved pixel, would be awesome, and then put the crazy high resolution sensor in D5X for niche top shooters who are already begging for full body and have no problem to pay premium.

            • Thom Hogan

              I don’t see why you’d change to 40mp from 36mp. A better choice would be to just build the D810h (20mp, 12 fps, new focus).

              As for D5x, yes, I’ll take one.

            • Eric Calabros

              Just my personal preference. 40mp gives us 7680 pixels, a perfect 2×2 binning for 4k without any crop.

      • sickheadache

        I don’t know..this seems like they all promised me a flying car by now, also.

  • Politics_Nerd

    When do we get the D500s?

    • Sawyerspadre

      Seems like 2018, since the D500 was 2016.

      Hopefully it will be less time than the D300s to D500 gap in time.

      • Politics_Nerd

        Thoughts on possible upgraded features?

        I’d be more than happy with the D500 (and love my D750) but would love yet more low light performance possibly via a BSI sensor.

      • Morris

        i have the feeling that the d500 is a 4-5 years refreshed model, while the lower models (d7k to down) every couple of years

  • Rodney Kodakmoment Turner

    I would like to see more firmware and software updates to increase productivity with other devices. For instance, updates to SnapBridge for D500 and firmware updates for compatibility for various lighting brands like Profoto.

  • RC Jenkins

    IMHO:
    -Nikon DF: Great!

    -Nikon 1 / J6: Great! but…

    For Nikon 1 lenses, please offer some fast, compact, affordable lenses. Most needed: Fast + Ultra wide. Also, some high quality pancakes/compact, and sharper lenses in general. See the Panasonic M43 20mm F1.7 for reference–its smaller, faster, sharper, and covers a 2x bigger sensor vs. the nikon 18.5mm f1.8–and costs the same. (I have both, btw). Also wouldn’t hurt to have a more affordable, compact tele. The 32.5 F1.2 is great but large and pricey. Most pro portrait photographers aren’t going to be using a Nikon 1 for pro portraits most of the time. Though it’s a useful focal length, it’s too pricey and fast for me on a 3rd body. I want a compact, pocketable lens at least f2.8 in this range instead. 50mm F2.8 (135 equivalent) that fits in a coat pocket for $300? Sold. Should be doable, since a 50mm F1.8 for FF is in this price range too.

    For the J6, please keep it compact, include a great low-light sensor (16-24 MP tops), get the basics right: some useful buttons, and full compatibility with FX lenses via adapter (unlike the J5). Basics = ISO, Shutter, Aperture…make these easy to change on the fly. If you want to add gimmicks, keep their modes away from buttons, and add something for decreasing depth of field for out of focus areas through bracketing multiple shots, esp with the high fps. Nobody cares about software filters in camera. Every publishing platform has better filters.

    Large sensor FF: I don’t know about others, but I don’t care as much about this. If it retains the F mount for lens compatibility it’ll still be physically thick (at least 1.83″ = Nikon F flange distance), with large lenses (to cover FF), so it doesn’t tick the size box for me with the classic mount. Maybe shutter speeds? But mine are sufficient so far, and this can also be accomplished for any body with a Mup + electronic exposure. Movies? All my bodies perform in mirrorless / live view mode anyway. So no benefits for FX mirrorless for me. And alternatively, a new mount would be an uphill battle, and pricey and useless for existing Nikon customers, since it would involve all new lenses. Nikon 1 or M43 are the way to go for mirrorless because they’re pocketable and don’t require carrying a backpack full of equipment.

    Lens refreshes: cool. expected. Shrink those tele’s! 🙂

    In general: With no major body refreshes, glad you’re not saturating the market. Please focus on a few great products instead of spreading yourself thin. Today, we’ve got the D5 (pro sports), D810 (high res landscape), D750 (ff flexible), D7200 (crop flexible), D500 (crop pro sports), D3400 (entry) is great and plenty. +Nikon 1 for when we dom’t feel like hauling equipment. Got something for everyone in there. They’re each still competitive performers in each category.

    If anything, it wouldn’t hurt to add some features & options via firmware. It would make bodies seem like a better investment instead of disposable parts that get replaced every few years.

    And one last thing to really extend that last point: you really want to keep things exciting and give everyone the investment warm and fuzzies? Release a modular body–example: an interchangeable sensor, lens mount, CPU board. That way I can mix and match resolution vs low light vs lenses, etc. based on shooting scenario…1 size fits all meets best of breed.

    • MiK Images

      Yes, exactly. I would like to see:
      N1 6,6-18mm f/1.8-2.8
      N1 10mm f/1.8 or better
      And maybe “at last” Nikon will be able to provide full control over camera from mobile application.

      • MonkeySpanner

        Totally – that would get me to buy back into the one system. But – if Nikon produces these lenses does that limit the sales of the DL’s? Or is DL already dead?

      • Davo

        IBIS. I think Nikon misjudged the need for IBIS on a small and compact camera where this feature would extend the shooting envelope without the need to add VR to all their lenses, particularly their smaller lenses.

        • MiK Images

          IBIS is great idea for small cameras, reducing lens size and (probably) costs. But Nikon doesn’t have IBIS technology, and (IMHO) optical VR is better than IBIS.

          • Davo

            Which is a shame cos different situations calls for different approaches and having extra tech at your disposal is never a bad thing.

  • bharat

    D820 in 1st quarter………..

    • RC Jenkins

      Just playing devils advocate here…but what would you want to see in the D820? More pixels?

      Not sure, but I feel like we’re aporoaching lens resolution bottlenecks now. Because sensors are 2D, I always feel as though the minimum noticeable resolution bump should be ~2x resolution = ~4x pixels (2 squared). Meaning the next really great high resolution sensor for pixel peepers should be at least ~100MP, while maintaining low light capabilities and speed of the D810.

      The one typical use case I personally have for super high resolution is landscapes / cityscapes….and I almost always take multiple panorama shots and stitch them together post processing to get max resolution + angle. This isn’t hard via software today, and eliminates many lens resolution bottlenecks.

      • bharat

        I dont care and fall for the pixel game. But marketing and the demand for the pixel game is another story and Nikon will always want to capture a part of that pie. 50+ MP on the d820 is likely and like you said landscape photographers will be keen to capture this piece of equipment.

        • catinhat

          The demand for more resolution was and is a mostly artificial need manufactured in the corporate headquarters and sold to the public for a pretty penny. Probably the greatest marketing success of this ailing industry in quite some time given they can now argue that new ridiculously overpriced lenses are required to take advantage of this amazing resolution.

          • bharat

            The pros know this game and we are lucky enough to learn from them, thanks to such forums. If you see a 100% crop result of a d4 and compare it to a 100% crop result of a D810, you will understand the game which you speak of……canon and sony have gone 50 mp+, so nikon will respond…….we can very well avoid the hype……..

      • Wesley

        – EFCS in P-A-S-M modes, not limited to MUP mode
        – larger AF array
        – cross type AF in outer points
        – double UHS-II or XQD slots

      • 24×36

        1. Upgraded autofocus system ala D5
        2. More pixels without ISO performance penalty
        3. Dual XQD memory card slots (no more dumbing down speed with SD!)
        4. Much bigger buffer.
        5. Upgraded viewfinder ala D5 (slightly higher magnification).
        6. 6 fps (or more)

        I’m sure I could think of more, but that would do nicely.

        • RC Jenkins

          Wouldn’t that just be a higher-res D5 (or a full-frame, higher resolution D500)? Like a D5s or something? I would think all these features would end up getting very pricey–just like the Canon 5DSR.

          I think it’s very hard to build a single best of breed & one-size-fits all. For fast & continuous shooting (action), there’s the D5. For high-res shots (landscapes, astro, etc.), there’s the D810. Where it gets tough would be execution between the two. For myself, I don’t often find the use case when I wish I had a very fast burst of super high resolution shots–it’s almost always one or the other. It’s basically the “is it worth it” question, because each of those components has exponential decay on the overall system, requiring updating many key components across the board.

          For example, noticeable higher density would almost certainly produce some form of noise penalty. Getting to ~50MP will require 40% smaller pixels, adding only 20% resolution to each axis (a resolution of 8832×5894, up from 7360×4912).

          But let’s say they pull it off. In order to just maintain D810 buffer speeds and FPS, you now need a 40% bigger buffer and 40% faster processor. These are very, very pricey, as is the high resolution, full frame, low noise sensor. So even if it happens, the price goes way up for a camera that only shoots at 5fps. Add another 20% buffer and CPU to get to 6fps.

          To all of that, add in the autofocus module & viewfinder, and you’ve effectively increased the price by thousand(s) (or at least hundreds) just to add 1 FPS and 50MP from 36. And now you’ve got even more distinct camera bodies to support.

          Note that the Canon 5DSR costs $1,000 more than the D810–and it only does 5 FPS too and has worse ISO performance than the D810.

          Everyone has different scenarios and use cases, but I just don’t see quick bursts at ultra high resolution as being a common use case for most photographers.

          Improved image quality: Higher resolution, improved AF, maintaining low-light, and newer memory card slots? Sure–makes sense. But I think it gets tough when mixed in with high burst rates.

          • Davo

            Which is why there should be two D810 successor models. As sensor QE plateaus, the sensors will need to be more specialised through optimization for a specific task whilst still being generally good at most other things.
            Take the D5 for instance, which clearly had been optimized for high ISO shooting at high frame rates but there were obviously some penalties at the lower ISO range.
            The D820X should be the high resolution, high DR and generally best IQ at base ISO camera whilst getting the new AF goodies and liveview improvements etc.
            The D820H should be the D700 successor arriving in the same body with all the other modern updates but with a modest resolution sensor with higher frame rates and better optimization for general shooting.
            I wonder how much extra performance can be squeezed out of a D5 sensor without the speed requirements. This should go into the Df II.

  • Altitude 2016

    What about the Nikon 820 or 850? Not even in 2017 whereas the Canon 5d Mark IV was released in September?

    • We shall see, it is too early now.

      • Altitude 2016

        What about the rumor on the Nikon D810S that you published?

        • This was a questionable rumor, I said to take it with a grain of salt. I never heard anything about it since.

    • Wesley

      They don’t really follow each others release anymore…

      • Altitude 2016

        Well, I disagree: just after the Nikon D5 was released, Canon rushed to release its 1DX Mark II…

        • Wesley

          Had more to do with having a common agenda IMO: releasing before Olympics

          • Altitude 2016

            And what about the Canon 5DSR that was released a few months later after the release of the Nikon D810? Canon and Nikon definitely follow each other’s release…

            • IronHeadSlim

              Canon is currently selling four 5D variations. Nikon is going to lose this battle at virtually every level except maybe the very top. They better hope Canon doesn’t produce a high MP EOS-1D.

            • Altitude 2016

              And what about the D750 and the D610? Even if these cameras are for enthusiasts only, they are better than the older 5D Mark I and the 5D Mark II because they have a better sensor. So, I totally disagree with your remark.

            • IronHeadSlim

              I don’t have any idea of what you are talking about. Canon is currently selling the 5D Mk III, 5d MkIV, 5DS, & 5DS R. All four are at or better than Nikon D810 quality level.

            • Altitude 2016

              Well, I still disagree with you. Nikon have three different full frame cameras (D810, D750 and D610). You cannot say that the 5DS and 5DSR are really different cameras. It’s almost the same camera, but in one case there is no low-pass filter. Moreover, the 5D Mark IV is just the newer version of the 5D Mark III. Both belong to the same series. And anyway, Canon will probably discontinue the production of the Canon 5D Mark III some time in the future.

            • Wesley

              The non-AA and AA filter version D800 series has already been out since 2012. For Canon…in 2015. You call that following each other? LOL

            • Altitude 2016

              Yes, I think so. Clearly, the 5DS series are a response to the D800 series. It’s obvious!!! Canon and Nikon compete with each other all the time. Same with the release of the D500 which is a response to the release of the 7D Mark II.

  • Altitude 2016

    I think that Nikon should replace its Nikon D810 soon. This camera has no 4k, no touchscreen, no articulating screen, no Snapbridge and no GPS. Regarding the ISO, it goes up only to 12,800 ISO and with its 36 MP sensor, the Nikon D810 is not the leading camera in the resolution department anymore. I could add that the body is not stabilized, whereas this feature would be greatly helpful for low light photography.

  • Even Thom hogan thought we’d see a d820 this year. I’m over it. Boo, Nikon, booooo!

    • Morris

      we didnt know about the D500 (top dx was dead)
      a D820 is behind the corner

    • A-Sign

      No “Booo!” at all from my side. The D810 is still a great camera even compared to the new Canon 5D Mark IV which costs 4.000 €. You get a new D810 for the half price.

    • Thom Hogan

      It’s being worked on. Sensor may be the issue. I don’t think it got onto fab before quake.

      • Eric Calabros

        but fab is working now, do they need to wait another two months? They have too many things in their hand for 2017

        • Thom Hogan

          From “start on fab” to “finished sensor” can be three months. I’m pretty sure that the fab came back online mostly trying to catch up with demand for sensors already on fab. Even Canon just reported that they were impacted severely by the quake (for compact cameras) but still projects unit volume to be the same for the year.

          At Nikon’s volumes, getting a new sensor on the fab would mean them giving up volume somewhere else, I think.

      • DLynch

        Nikon needs to stop depending on Sony and lead instead of following.

        • Thom Hogan

          As far as I can tell, all current Nikon bodies have sensors fabbed by Sony, including the D7200 and D5, which are fabbed at the old Toshiba plant now owned by Sony. So, Nikon seems to be going the other way.

          • DLynch

            Depending on Sony for sensors is what I am talking about.

            • Thom Hogan

              Canon would have had the same problem on their own if the quake was in a different spot and had affected their plant. Consolidation has essentially removed all the choices for where a sensor is actually made. There’s probably only four fabs in Japan that are doing dedicated camera sensors now.

              As to design, it’s clear that Nikon still has an active sensor design team.

    • I never said that – I only heard about a new Df next year. All Nikon DSLR models except the D5, D500 and D3400 are due for a refresh, but just don’t see them releasing more than 2-3 new DSLR cameras next year.

  • DLynch

    The N1 line is dead, why try to revive it? The more time, money, and effort they waste on this puts them further and further behind the other camera manufacturers. The DL line appeared to be the N1 replacements and we can all see how well that is going. With cellphone camera quality improving the 1″ sensor cameras have tough competition like it or not. The market for 1″ cameras is fading away.

  • Massimiliano Ramuschi

    I hope for a new 14mm 2.8 and a new lightweight 135mm 1.8 o 2. These have pretty old design now and don’t deliver good results on hi-mpix sensors.

  • Altitude 2016

    Moreover, the liveview mode of the Nikon D810 is completely outdated. It’s very hard to stay in focus while filming a moving subject with this camera. In this regard, the Nikon D810 cannot compete at all with the dual pixel AF of the 5D Mark IV. Hopefully in Nikon they are fully aware that they are totally late in this department.

    • hje

      You made are very valid point thank you.
      I was wondering why many already wish for a d810 successor because I’m still happy with mine. I switched from d800 to d810 last year and I like it so much more. Only thing I’m currently dreaming of is the new autofocus system of the d5 /d500.

      • Altitude 2016

        I think that the D810 successor should also have the new autofocus system of the D5 / D500 because it will have to compete with 5D Mark IV which has a better autofocus system than the D810.

        • Alex Ionas

          I think the D820 will compete with the 5DS and the D750 will compete with the Mark IV. We are talking large resolution versus great all-rounder.

          • Altitude 2016

            I don’t think that the D750 competes with the 5D Mark IV. Indeed, the D750 is a camera for enthusiasts only, whereas the 5D Mark IV is a camera for professionals and enthusiasts like the D810. In this regard, the direct competitor of the D810 is the 5D Mark IV. But since the D810 is not only an all-round camera, but also a large resolution camera, it also competes with the Canon 5DSR and the Sony A7RII.

            • IronHeadSlim

              As I said downstream, Canon is currently selling four camera at the 5D level. Nikon only has D810. D750 is not at that level.

            • Altitude 2016

              Yes, the D750 is not at the level of the D810 and the 5D Mark IV. However, I disagree about your first remark. Besides the D810 and the 750, Nikon is selling the D610. Since the 5D Mark I and the 5D Mark II are older cameras, I don’t see how they could prevail over the D750 and the D610 because these cameras have a better sensor than the 5D Mark I and the 5D Mark II.

            • RC Jenkins

              The D750 also has a much better sensor than the 5D Mark III in terms of dynamic range & ISO.

              https://youtu.be/EsZtUZvoeO0?t=974

            • RC Jenkins

              I would disagree. The D750 is absolutely competitive with all of the 5D’s except the 5D mark IV–especially when it comes to image quality.

              It’s very close to the 5DmkIII, with each leaning towards their strengths (image quality for the D750 and autofocusing for the 5D).

            • IronHeadSlim

              There is a definite difference in at least perceived body build between D810/5D & D750/D610/6D. I like the D750. I would love a Nikon version of 5D Mk IV. Just my opinion of what I want. : )

            • RC Jenkins

              I can agree with that–obviously it’s one aspect of each camera. 🙂

              System-wise, I think the same group of consumers will debate between purchasing D750, D810, 5D, and 5DS lines–which I would call roughly competitive with one another. All have pro’s and cons, and none are 1:1 comparisons–and everyone will end up with personal preferences and gripes against theirs and the others.

              We’ll see what the next iteration of the D7xx line brings. There was a lot of time between the 5DmkIII, D810, D750, and 5DmkIV, so I’m sure market contexts (pricing, feature priorities, etc.) had a lot to do with the respective designs.

            • RC Jenkins

              I think the D750 goes head-to-head with the 5DmkIII, with the D750 obviously being much newer. But the 5DS seems to have been released to compete with the D810 (though newer). These are different brands with different philosophies and timings, but I think those are reasonable statements.

              Continuing this trend, I think the successor to the Nikon D7xx will compete with the 5D line (all rounders), while the D8xx will compete with the 5DS line (high resolution). Remember that both the D7xx and the D8xx will have improvements over the currently years-old designs (just like Canon’s newer bodies)

              I also wouldn’t say that the D750 is for enthusiasts only–there are plenty of pros who prefer the D750 for paid, lower-light gigs like weddings. Not only for performance but also for improved navigation & workflow through smaller/lower-resolution files–and it just makes business sense not to pay for extra features (like larger buffer) if you don’t need any of them for the type of pro work you do.

            • Alex Ionas

              Why would the D750 be only for enthusiasts compared to the 5DMkIV?

    • A-Sign

      Nikon should update it’s liveview capabilities ASAP. Imagine the D500 with touchscreen and 4K capabilities but poor Video AF and Liveview performance – that doesn’t really match altogether.

  • Bart Postma

    D7300 in Q1 2017 hopefully…

    • Max

      That line doesn’t get updated as frequently as the 5xxx and 3xxx series and the d7200 is still amazing. Maybe a bigger buffer still and 4k. They can leave snapbridge out.

      • The D7200 is due for a replacement early next year. This product line is refreshed every 2 years.

  • A-Sign

    As you can see on the FUJI X-T2 people love those Retro design bodies. Nikon would be doing great to update it’s DF camera but still keeping the optical viewfinder – people still love to have an optical viewfinder. Price it competitive to the FUJI body. The DF is the only camera from Nikon that is able to adapt all Nikkor lenses that have been ever made.

    • nwcs

      It’s not so much that it’s “retro” but that some of the older concepts weren’t broken. Aperture rings and shutter speed dials weren’t really broken. It’s not perfect but it’s fairly well thought out whereas the DF was not as well thought out. A DF2 that nails it would be very popular, though. That would require not crippling it with things like consumer level AF.

      • A-Sign

        I would even love the DF if it wouldn’t have any AF system at all, forcing you to manually focus everything (ok, with a decent screen in the viewfinder which makes manual focus easier to the eyes). For me the DF would be lovely if getting paired with vintage Nikkor lenses, that feel great in your hands. It’s like the Leica approach. The body and lenses need to feel great.

        • nwcs

          It would definitely require the older AIS lenses, though. The MF on the others just aren’t very good as a whole in my opinion. Still, that would relegate the camera to a boutique one at a high price like the Leica.

          • A-Sign

            It is already some sort of boutique as most customers are buying any D7xxx or D6xx to D7xx to D8xx range – you could make the DF a direct competitor to the FUJI X-T2 (or Pentax K-1) but for people who prefer the optical viewfinder. But it is kinda strange to me to have crossover between a old vintage body design mixed with very modern functions – if you like it modern in any way regarding the specifications, than whats the point to buy a DF? You could already buy something else at the DSLR catalog of Nikon – the D500 and D5 for example.

            • Bart Postma

              Well there is non, others than looks. Because price performance wise it isn’t as good as the other Nikon cameras indeed, not even when it was just released. It’s a special/anniversary kind of model.

              More noticeable is for example the 50mm f/1.8 that came with the Df. Personally I liked the look of the lens, but I have a ‘normal’ 50mm f/1.8 for a lot less (back in the day it was €169 new, not it goes for like €220 due to price changes), anyway what I’m trying to say is that it’s not optically better but you do pay a premium for it because it’s a special edition

      • I would even love the DF if it wouldn’t have any AF system at all, forcing you to manually focus everything (ok, with a decent screen in the viewfinder which makes manual focus easier to the eyes). For me the DF would be lovely if getting paired with vintage Nikkor lenses, that feel great in your hands. It’s like the Leica approach. The body and lenses need to feel great. Fuji takes it with the X-series to a similar level by putting the aperture ring on it’s lenses. The DF is for photographers that want a “timeless” camera, not dictated by modern looks, trends or fancy functions, such as Video, WiFi/Bluetooth, SnapBridge, …DF should be only the pure photography experience.

  • Bo Dez

    when is the D820/900?

  • CBJ

    Hoping for next year:

    200mm F4 VR Micro
    135mm F1.8 VR

  • Jeffry De Meyer

    812.11ad adapter for d810

  • Davo

    One thing that I’ve always found tremendously useful on cameras used mainly for convenience is IBIS. So this is one area (amongst others) that I think Nikon failed to understand about their Nikon 1 pursuit.
    The IBIS mechanism doesn’t add tremendously to the body size but allows all your lenses to be stabilised without putting VR into the lens, particularly useful in the smaller lenses eg. pancakes and the non-teles.
    At the tele end where the lenses are still large (relatively) and in-lens VR may be more effective anyways, they could still incorporate it in-lens.
    What some of the m43 makers are doing now is sync or dual IS (both in-lens and in-body) for some of the longer focal length lenses and the results are very very good. I’ve tried the 12-100/4 on a Pen F with synced IS.
    I’m coming to the conclusion that there may be too many things to fix on the Nikon 1 for it to be competitive. Not saying the Nikon 1 isn’t good in its own right, but I think other manufacturers have got a better mix for their ‘small and compact’ mirrorless offerings.

  • onthedot

    Any guesses for whats next for lenses? I could use a 35-105 f/2

  • radogado

    4K 60 fps video full frame camera from 7xx or 8xx series?

  • Webdomi

    Hi, it seems Nikon forgot the wide angle views and let it be ! Are Canon and Samyang on the wrong way, making fabulous 11-24 and 12 mm lenses? The last big deal was this D810 for astronomy… Hurry up Nikon, and be creative !

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