Nikon large sensor mirrorless camera is a possibility

Similar to the answer Nikon executives gave to AP in an interview last week, Toshiaki Akagi (Department Manager in Nikon's 1 Designing Department) told dpreview that a new large sensor mirrorless cameras is a possibility in the future:

"We know that there is a certain body of demand for larger sensors in mirrorless products. Although we already have the 1 inch sensor in the 1 System, we don't want to deny the possibility of future large-sensor mirrorless cameras. So maybe if there is enough demand we may be able to provide another type of mirrorless camera with larger sensors. This is one of the solutions."

Few other points from the interview:

  • 4k video is coming to the Nikon DSLR lineup
  • "You can expect some new DX lenses in the future. We haven’t forgotten about our DX customers"
  • Nikon is still "studying the demand" for a D300s replacement
  • Nikon is also "studying" the possibility of a D3X successor (D4s body with a high MP sensor)

Update: Nikon D750 now in stock at Amazon.

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  • The demand is there. Nikon just needs to wise up and actually do what their customers want. I wrote up a little rant about this topic this scottwyden.com/nikon-sony-a7/

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      Such a camera is a necessity, not a “possibility”… The compatibility with cameras like Arca Universialis and Cambo Actus, the ability to retain the mount in future video cameras and the solutions these cameras can provide to pros…. (for who they can provide a “perfect” 36×24 MFDB alternative) is a must for todays photography. Especially if there is an adapter (which will surely be) so that one may retain his current DSLR line of lenses.

    • ZoetMB

      While I also have great interest in something like the Sony A7 and would love to see a lightweight, small bodied, large sensor camera from Nikon (mirrorless or not, but still one with pro controls), the fact is that you or I have no idea what their customers as a whole want. We only know what we think we want. And sometimes, as Steve Jobs pointed out many times, customers don’t always know what they want either – you have to show it to them.

      Too many people on sites like this just like to complain. Before the Df, you’d think everyone wanted a retro bodied digital. Nikon did that and all people did was complain about it. Everyone seems to want a D400 (and I did as well but couldn’t wait anymore), but I bet if Nikon actually did release it and it was essentially pro controls in a lighter, less robust body with a DX sensor (consistent with the D200, D300, D700), you’d hear, “why is Nikon making a pro camera with a DX sensor?”

      Although Sony doesn’t break out numbers, general consensus seems to be that they’ve actually made very little inroads into Nikon’s and Canon’s marketshare in spite of the appeal of the A7 series. I suspect a year from now (two years at the most), Sony will issue the next generation of those cameras and I’ll be taking a real serious look then if Nikon doesn’t get there first.

      • nightoil

        I got a D800 in July, having been a D300/D300s/D7000 DX user since 2008. Was also waiting for the D400/D9300. (Finally caved in after the Capture NX2 fiasco, which meant no DSLR body post the D4s will be RAW-editable in CNX2.)

        Truth is: the D800 is 1 mm narrower than the D300 / D700 and same height as the D700 so basically a D700-sized DX camera. I’m partly using it as a DX camera, with the FX option when needed. In DX, it functions as a superior D7000, with 15.36 Mpx + D300s-like control layout including AF-ON button.

        It has about 2 stops better high ISO performance than the D300s and 1½ stops better than the D7000, from my own tests. (Even with High ISO NR turned off in-camera, they all still do progressively apply some NR above ISO1600. You can see the exact amount and also turn it off completely in CNX2 for a true high ISO comparison.)

        The D800’s 15.36 Mpx vs the 24 Mpx of the D7100 (and presumably its successor) means bigger pixels in the D800, meaning greater photon-catching area – the basic physical recipe for better low light performance.

        The viewfinder DX image is a black frame outline within the full frame and is quite nice in the Leica sense of being able to see stuff happening just outside the frame. The DK-17M (1.2x) magnifying eyepiece also works very well, slightly enlarging the image without obscuring the VF info displays.

        My point is that if we’re waiting for a pro-build DX body with superior performance, the D800/D810 probably is basically it.

        • Jonathan

          I have begun contemplating that line since the D810 arrived. But the cost of the camera, and full frame lenses, puts it out of the question for me.

          • nightoil

            I’ve carried on using my early, Japan manufactured Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (non-VC), which is small, light and sharp, with excellent results on the D800.

            Also just got an AF-S NIKKOR 18-35mm f/3.5-4.5G ED for use as a wide-angle zoom in FX and short standard zoom in DX. Early tests indicate it to be a pretty good lens. Not too heavy either. Nikon seems to have found a good balance between resolution, maximum f-stop, zoom range, distortion (which in-camera Auto Distortion Control in fact seems to eliminate completely), vignetting, flare, price, size etc etc – the lens designer’s art!

            Totally agree about the size/weight problem with FX lenses. The announcement above: “You can expect some new DX lenses in the future. We haven’t forgotten about our DX customers” offers some hope for the future.

            I agree the price is the problem. Got mine just after the D810 release, meaning price had dropped markedly. But the D800 is a very robust camera, built to last, shutter specified for 200,000 actuations. Maybe you could find a reasonably priced, pre-owned (hopefully pre-loved!) D800. I do recommend it. Great (and versatile) camera.

        • ZoetMB

          I agree with you – I own a D800 as well, which I bought last December. I couldn’t wait anymore because several of the venues that I shoot music shows in told me I couldn’t use flash anymore, so I needed better low-light performance than I had on the D200. And one of the reasons I went for it is because the resolution in DX mode was still higher than it was with the D200. But had there been a D400 with good low-light performance, presumably at a far less expensive price than the D800, I would have bought that.

          • mikeswitz

            But how is your XT-1 working for you in those situations?

            • ZoetMB

              Respond to the wrong post?

            • mikeswitz

              Sorry, I guess I did. I, for some reason, thought you said you owned and were using your XT-1. My bad.

          • PeterO

            Here is the crux of the matter. Nikon did not make a D400 because so many more people would have bought it than the D800 like you did ZoetMB. They got what they wanted – customers paying $3K instead of less than $2K. If they are at this point “studying” a successor to the D300s, that means that it wasn’t even being considered. All the gnashing of teeth could have been saved and goodwill gained had they just told the faithful that they weren’t going to make one. Presently the only thing they’re studying is how well the Canon 7DII is selling and not the demand by the Nikon faithful. This they must have known – or they’re just completely out of touch with their loyal followers.

            • ZoetMB

              In spite of the fact that I did buy the D800, I would contend that Nikon has lost more sales $ than they gained. While some people like myself did wind up with the D800 (or now the D750 or D810), many others either didn’t buy or changed brands. While pros have fewer limits than (non-rich) enthusiasts and amateurs, everyone has a limit.

          • nightoil

            Shooting your music shows in DX on the D800, what ISO do you find you can go up to and what kind of NR do need to use in post?

            • ZoetMB

              I use whatever it takes, but I try not to let it go beyond ISO 1600, but I’ve probably used up to 6400. I’m generally using f2.8 zooms. I seldom use NR in post. I’ll usually try to wait until the performer is lit. The big problem is when the performer is only lit by red lamps – that is almost always unusable. Can’t even turn it into black & white and get a good image.

      • dclivejazz

        The Df had way too many compromises in the AF and fastest shutter speed to be what it should have been. That was the source of the complaints. Nikon is really getting old with it’s hobble their own line philosophy.

      • whisky

        one of the things Dx Pro advocates never seem to mention is what price is acceptable? it’s not going to be at vintage D300 price points, and depending on the feature set may even approach D810 levels.

        at that threshold, it’s reasonable to assume that the census of serious Dx Pro buyers would severely diminish, and would make an alternative $1000~$2000 pro body/sensor Nikon 1 Vx a far more attractive option.

        • ZoetMB

          I see no reason why it couldn’t be at D300 price points – in fact, I think it needs to be below, which is exactly where Nikon has a hole. It needs to be priced somewhere between $1575 and $1725, depending upon the build quality and feature set, midway between the D7100 and the D610 or D750, respectively. Sensor and chip prices have fallen and Nikon has moved all but highest end manufacturing to low labor cost countries.

          It’s not that I don’t think that a “pro” Nikon 1 could also be an alternative (although in spite of opinions from some very smart people here to the contrary, I still think the CX sensor is too small), but I think they address different needs and markets. There’s no reason why you couldn’t have both. Sony has proven that you can get a full sensor into a small, lightweight body, in spite of its other faults. I suspect that the next generation A7, which I would expect to see by Photokina 2016, is going to be killer (unless Sony gives up by then).

          • whisky

            “I see no reason why it couldn’t be at D300 price points”

            perhaps because given their other cameras, Nikon doesn’t seem capable of building a new pro body DSLR at that price point? without defining what a “pro build” is and the features desired in a D300 upgrade, any difference of opinion is purely semantics.

            while it’s true they can build both, that splits the market even further. Nikon has placed their chips on the N1 system, and i’d like to see what they can do with that bet before i spend any more money on Dx. JMO.

      • Jedy

        ‘Before the Df, you’d think everyone wanted a retro bodied digital. Nikon did that and all people did was complain about it.’

        The problem I have with it is that the rumours were saying it would be a mirorless camera and it turns out its a retro looking dslr with a premium price that seems only to pander to the nostalgic crowd (imho). I think what most people want is a small full frame camera that gives back the photographer some control (external dials for example) away from just the current option of tedious menus. And if our money can buy something stylish too, all the better!

        • ZoetMB

          There’s a rumor for every possibility (I even remember some rumors on this site claiming Nikon was going to go medium or large format), but I don’t remember any serious rumors claiming that the Df was going to be mirrorless. As I remember it, the Df was supposed to be like everyone’s favorite Nikon SLR – a DSLR that looked like a Nikon F or FE or FM or whatever. The problem with the implementation is that even though it does have some mechanical controls, the relationship between the dials and the digital controls are not logical. And at 25 ounces, it’s still pretty heavy. The Sony A7 is 16 ounces, same as a D5300, but it’s much smaller. The D810 is 31.6 ounces.

          I don’t think Nikon DSLR users really want a mirrorless camera (except for those who always wanted a Leica). Mirrorless is a means to an end: a way to get a smaller, lighter camera and (perhaps) a very high frame rate. If Nikon could build a full-frame (or even a DX) DSLR in a smaller, lighter body that still had pro controls, I think that would satisfy the needs of people who have switched or are considering switching to cameras like the Sony A7. But it would also need a new line of smaller lenses (even if still F-mount). My old primes from my Nikkormat and Nikon F3 are so small, they look like toys when sitting next to my modern lenses. It was really nice when everything was “smaller” (at least to me) and for a time I shot with the Olympus OM-1, which was smaller and lighter than the Nikon and had terrific performance.

          • Jedy

            There were a number of rumours hinting at an FM2 like design and a possible Sony A7 like mirrorless camera from what I remenber. I’m well aware that rumours are just that and to be taken with the usual pinch of salt.

            I’m sure the pro’s are happy lugging around dslr’s + kit as its all about image quality at the end of the day. I lug around a dslr for that very reason but would happily buy into a smaller full frame mirroless if the quality could match the full frame dslrs. It’s not always convenient carrying a big dslr around as I do a lot of casual shooting as well as deliberate photography trips. I also refuse to become a smartphone photographer as I would miss the quality and manual control. I do hear a lot of talk from people wanting a smaller quality full frame and not all of it from the web. The trick as I believe is getting the high quality and fast lenses in a smaller package – Nikon’s top of the line primes are big for a reason!

            • I think after the Df, Nikon is done with the retro design.

            • Do you think it’s not been successful?

              I hope you’re wrong, because I really do want to see what they can do with the Df2.

              I think the Df is awesome, but misses slightly in some usability details. That said, it’s the camera I carry everyday.

            • Don’t get me wrong – I am a big fan of the Df and I own one, I just think Nikon did not sell as many as they hoped/expected.

            • What *I* was trying to say is that I hope they sold a lot of them so that they update it soon and often 😉

    • Just curious, but have you seen the sales figures for the Sony A7 line? My impression from Sony was that they were not selling as well as they expected.

      • I haven’t, but following all the Nikon and Canon users moving over to the Sony system due to the missing products from Nikon and Canon, it’s all sorts of amazing. Goes to show the popularity and desire from people that they’re willing to just get rid of gear they’ve used for years just to get a smaller body that’s still full frame.

        • Okay. Anecdotal evidence from forums.

          Friends of mine at Sony hope this line will do better. While exact numbers are internal secrets, I didn’t get any impression these are flying out the door. Enthusiasm is one thing, but we’ve seen that with many releases.

          I’ve looked into changing to the system, but there are several performance aspects (mainly responsiveness), that keep me mostly in Nikon gear. Perhaps the next A7 body will change that. They still need more dedicated lens choices, and yes, I know about the adapters, but don’t want to go that route.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            Conversations end here… There after trolling gets the lead…

          • ZoetMB

            As long as Sony doesn’t give up first, I think the second generation of the A7 line, probably in 2016, is going to be spectacular. Just a guess on my part, but if I’m right, Nikon better do something great to compete before then.

            • My feeling is that Sony are interested in pushing “DSLR like” style further. I’m less interested in further development of “pancake” lenses. 😉

              Supposedly we will see a faster responding and performing A7 model in the future. Honestly, I would like to see more lenses appear prior to seeing another body.

              If Nikon does enter this segment in 2015, my guess is that autofocus performance would beat any A7. However, given past cooperation between Sony and Nikon, and falling camera sales overall, it would not surprise me to see some technology sharing.

  • Ian K. Iles

    A Nikon digital version of the Mamiya 7 would be nice

    • neversink

      The Mamiya 7-II was one of my favorite cameras ( I should say that it is one of my favorite cameras but I haven’t used it for a few years. Love it more than the Lecia M3 and M6. ) But a medium format body like the Mamiya 7-II would require a different set of medium format lenses….

      • AlecBossler

        I’d be happy to purchase it off your hands if it’s being a shelf queen…

  • MrOzMan

    I’m a video guy, but I would never use video on a DSLR. It lacks the ergonomics of a great video camera. Sony PXW-FS7 would be a better choice.

    • mikeswitz

      Absolutely. I’ve been having this argument for over a year now. Especially true for wedding photogs

      • Aldo

        so wedding photographers are better off using a video camera than a dslr? 😛

    • KnightPhoto

      OK, $8,000 and it (Sony PXW-FS7) doesn’t fit any lenses I own…

      • Aldo

        thing is… if you are willing to deal with the bad ergonomics… cumbersome focusing… you have the same (or better) IQ as that 8k camera…. main reason why dslr’s are so popular for video

        • Eric Calabros

          no way you can get “same (or better) IQ as that 8k camera” with any one of those still cameras we have in the market (A7s is an exception, and its so-so for todays “still” needs). things is having two dedicated camera is INCONVENIENT for many shooters.

          • mikeswitz

            You’re right on the first point, but as far as the second I would think having two dedicated cameras would be MORE convenient since moving to shoot video with your dslr is more of a hassle than just grabbing another camera. I’m not a wedding photographer, but I do know that just hitting the movie button is not a viable alternative for a pro cameraman.

            • Eric Calabros

              you are right, but many wedding shooters see that as inconvenience. maybe because of “all in one is better” illusion

            • mikeswitz

              Makes no sense to me, but then again I’m not a wedding photographer.

            • Jedy

              You are aware dslr’s have some custom modes right? Create a set up for video on one of those and you’re in video mode at the turn of a dial. I can move from stills to video very easily.

            • mikeswitz

              Because you can doesn’t mean you should, at leas if someone is paying for those videos

            • Jedy

              I wasn’t debating whether you should or not, just pointing out how easy it is to switch from stills to video – the video quality from a DSLR when used properly is stunning though. I use my DSLR for video all the time due to cost at the mo and am aware of its many ergonomic drawbacks but nothing yet beats them on quality and cost for a stills/video setup.

      • MrOzMan

        Ok the only solution is Nikon making something similar with a F-mount. That’s not going to happen, the Nikkor lenses aren’t designed for that purpose anyway (power zoom, continuous AF with silent motors). Either way, it will still be compromised, and that’s IF Nikon designed such camera (which they won’t).

    • ZoetMB

      I don’t shoot enough video to warrant investing in a separate camera and I love being able to shoot with the big lenses. There are many times where I’m primarily shooting stills, but “a bit of video” is asked for as well.

      But I agree that the ergonomics and lack of video lenses is a big problem. It’s not a problem if you’re trying to make a narrative film and using prime lenses, shooting on a tripod and setting up each shot, but it’s a problem for everything else. I’m baffled as to why Nikon hasn’t released any continuous focus lenses. My zooms constantly “rattle” as they refocus when I shoot video and it’s even picked up by the external microphone. And the weight and center of gravity of the DSLR doesn’t lend itself to video. I’m amazed as to what I can so easily do on my iPhone that’s so hard to do on my D800, at least without a lot of video-oriented accessories.

      • Jedy

        I mainly shoot interviews and documentaries with my dslr and I use a good quality zoom lens with a fixed aperture. I can’t agree with your ‘everything else’ comment as I rarely have problems. Don’t forget, the pro’s (with their dedicated video cameras) never use autofocus – expensive cine lenses are manual only. I get around it by using a deep depth of field (like f8) to avoid focus issues and that usually works. Also, to create such a lens you require would put the cost of the lens not that far off from the cost of cine lenses. That’s why stills lenses aren’t perfect for video as they don’t need the costly features needed for moving images.

      • Jedy

        Don’t forget, Nikon are primarily a stills camera company. Video was originally just a feature to shift new consumer cameras off the shelves.. In order to create lenses that better handle video will push the price way up – look at the cost of Canon cine lenses for example. When I shoot interviews and documentaries, I use a deep depth of field (at least f8) to combat potential focus issues and this really works. Yes DSLR’s can be a pain and have many compromises but considering cine cameras run into the 10s of thousands of Dollars, be grateful we have this amazing quality at such an affordable price. And an affordable quality that didn’t exist not that long ago. Also, fyi, autofocus is never used in the TV/film industry.

  • whisky

    this is the kind of product that could one day replace the D610 slot. JMO.

  • ZoetMB

    He’s saying absolutely nothing. “We may..”, “We don’t want to deny the possibility…”, “So maybe if there is enough demand…” (you mean even if there is enough demand, it’s still only a maybe?), “…studying the demand…”, “studying the possibility…”, “You can expect SOME new lenses in the future…”. It’s all meaningless and generic enough that anyone and any company could have made those statements.

    So maybe if there is enough demand, I’ll stop posting my opinions (but MAYBE I won’t.) I’m studying the possibility of my future options in this regard. MAYBE I’ll apply to be CEO of Nikon.

    • Actually he is saying a lot for Nikon’s standard of answering questions.

      • Robert Martinu

        Makes me wonder if there is a connection between the D4x-idea, or something that would fit the target demography even better, even if it deviates from established preconceptions, and the hinting about something big in January at SAR?

      • Robert F.

        Agreed. An awful lot, actually. By Nikon’s standards I’d say Akagi’s virtually admitting that they’re already hard at work on something.

    • Robert F.

      Here’s my takeaway from that interview…

      Since it takes at least a couple of years to develop, engineer, test, and bring a product like this to market — particularly given how conservative Nikon is and what’s at stake — and since from those comments I doubt Nikon wants to leave a vacuum in this space for another 2 years (with competition heating up), then it’s safe to say that their serious mirrorless product is already well into the development phase.

      I would argue the same holds true for Canon.

      Rest assured both companies are watching closely what’s going on in the marketplace, and their engineers aren’t just sitting around. They’ve been relatively quiet recently, but I suspect that means they’re both hard at work.

      • Eric Calabros

        Canon/Nikon can make the best FF mirrorless ever, as soon as we get up tomorrow. the question is: is it worth destroying their legacy system?
        unless they dont introduce a new mount, which has a risk of customers saying: well, where is the size/weight advantage?

        • Robert F.

          The questions is: is it worth letting another manufacturer destroy their legacy system?

          • Eric Calabros

            in Pro section of the market, there is no size/weight advantage (big grip, big tele), and there is even some disadvantages: battery life, lags .. no sport (1Dx/D4s) shooter says wow what a slim body, I need to switch! .. with a big exception of Nikon’s own 1 system: extra reach with ultera speed!

            • Robert F.

              Sports is but a single niche. And you’re contradicting your previous statements by employing the Nikon 1-Series as part of your argument for mirrorless not being useful.

              Pro mirrorless is coming (in fact, it’s virtually here now). Like the 12:00pm train rolling down the track, there’s no stopping it.

              The R&D is now going into new technologies, (like mirrorless), while DSLRs have essentially peaked and are only seeing iterative improvements.

              To wit: the latest rumor is that Sony has developed a global electronic shutter. If this is true, and it is implemented successfully, it will change everything.

            • Eric Calabros

              Nikon 1 problem is DOF and ISO performance, so no contradicting really.
              global shutter will make the shutter sync limits the thing of past, and heaven gift for studio shooters, and thats it. all other benefits are belong to video.

            • Robert F.

              It offers benefits beyond studio and video, such as completely silent operation and the elimination of complex mechanical parts.

              In fact, a properly sorted global shutter will likely mark the beginning of the end of the mechanical shutter.

          • Jedy

            ‘The questions is: is it worth letting another manufacturer destroy their legacy system?’

            Good point. Canon back in the 80’s ‘destroyed their legacy system’ when they introduced the EOS lens mount and embraced autofocus. I’m sure both Canon and Nikon wont think twice about introducing new pro camera systems. Also lets not forget the change from film to digital. Moving to mirrorless is the equivalent of the switch from film to digital in the late 90’s/early 2000’s.

  • Ms.KrystalMeth

    Dear Nikon…read my thoughts. If your going to do a Large MP Mirrorless camera…Please DO NOT create a new lens system for it. Make sure the new camera can use your current lenses. I AM NOT BUYING NEW LENSES! DX Fan Boys…the Nikon D9300 is coming…D4X is coming with 50MP. I will buy…as long as Nikon is Not placing a $8,000 dollar price tag on it.

    • I’d be interested in seeing what Nikon has to offer in a mirrorless body as long as it was still an F-mount…

      • catinhat

        Once you put a usable grip on a camera, thinner body makes no difference. So, what’s the point of mirrorless again? cheaper?

        • I have a fleet of Nikon equipment, but I also have a couple of Fuji bodies (the X-T1 and the X100s) and they are a lot of fun to shoot, and produce remarkable quality. You’ll never see me hate on a quality mirrorless system.

          Some nice things about mirrorless (when done properly):

          – Great EVFs in the Fujis

          – VERY quiet operation (like in a church at mass kind of quiet)

          – very fast electronic shutters (the new Fuji can shoot up to 1/32,000 sec. silently) that’s not a typo…

          – Nikon already has a mirrorless that can shoot 20FPS (stills)

          These are just a couple of examples, I could list 20 more.

          There are plenty of things that the mirrorless bodies can’t do; but a lot of great innovation in them as well.

          Will they replace my Nikon flagship bodies? No – but the possibility of Nikon bringing some interesting mirrorless action to the game with larger sensors is an interesting prospect.

          So no need to hate on new tech. There is some great innovation going on in that sector.

          Hell, I still shoot film occasionally, but I’ll use any tool that is the right tool for the gig, whether it is large format film, DSLR, mirrorless, etc.

          • amaas

            While the X100’s are super-quiet due to the leaf shutter, the X mount bodies are actually louder than my D3200 (I recently replaced an X-E1 with a D3200, the latter is noticably quieter).

            The electronic shutter is a technology Nikon would do well to resurrect, they used it on the D70(s), D40 and D50 to good effect. Not it also permits very high physical flash sync speeds, as your limitation becomes flash burn time, not shutter speed in Nikon’s implementation which limited the physical shutter to sync speed.

            • Eric Calabros

              damn jello effect problem

        • Carleton Foxx

          Advantages are no big old mirror flopping around and shaking the camera, sometimes less of a hump, and I have been given to understand that wide angles can be better because of a change in the flange distance.

    • twoomy

      Or do what Olympus did with its (slow) move from 43 to m43. Create a mirrorless camera that works with existing SLR lenses via adapter (including fast PDAF focusing) and then create some newer smaller lenses where appropriate.

      I think most of us realize that one of the purposes of a mirrorless camera is to make the depth of the camera body thinner? It would be silly to make a fat old FX mirrorless camera with an inch of air in front of the sensor (where the mirror used to go) to avoid having a new lens mount.

    • BrainBeat

      With the Nikon 1 system having native lenses is fine but it should ship with the adapter to use all other F mount lenses. This means it need to have an AF motor in either the body or the adapter.

    • ZoetMB

      While I agree from the standpoint of simplicity and investment, I disagree from every other aspect. There’s no point having a small, lightweight body, like the Sony A7 series, if one is going to stick 2-pound lenses on it. So if Nikon can produce high quality physically smaller lenses (and they used to, before AF – remember all the lenses with 52mm filters?) on the F-mount, fine. But if they can’t, it’s going to require a new mount and seeing that the F-mount is 65 years old, maybe it’s time.

      I don’t think the D9300 is coming, unless it’s really a mislabeled D7200. A D4x is going to be $8K – $7K at the lowest, which is the current price of the D3x.

    • MyrddinWilt

      Thats like asking for an electric car as long as it runs on gas.

      A mirrorless camera is essentially a modern version of the rangefinder without the disadvantage of the viewpoint being shifted. The advantage of a viewfinder camera is that there is no mirror sweep and the rear element of the lens can be right up against the film. That makes no difference at all for telephoto lenses but it makes a big difference on wide angle lenses.

      The only reason to change the format is to be able to change the lens formula. There is nothing that a mirrorless body can do that an SLR can’t do better. They focus better, the viewfinder is brighter. Mirrorless could be cheaper I guess. Take out the shutter and the mirror mechanism and thats most of the assembly cost gone. A mirrorless could be stamped out by machine.

      But if you want pro mirrorless it would be so you can have some really fast wides. And I mean fast. Try a 24mm f/1.0 for less than the cost of the f/1.4 and higher quality.

  • Zarderak

    And MAYBE they’re just frozen up with fear b/c the financials no longer support big invests that would’ve been needed to be taken in order to actually lead the next revolution (mirrorless FX)…

    I smell poop in Canikons pants. And while Canon is better off financially and diversified enough to support their photography segment through harder times – they very obviously avoid going past the 20sth MP barrier. Probably because they know their lens lineup won’t hold up against sensors with even higher resolution.

    So one (Nikon) has the lead in DSLR FX and is mortified by the idea to cut into their own lens sales by going mirrorless FX (which they could do technically in a heartbeat) and the other one knows they’re at a crossing anyway. Interesting times! 😉

    • Zarderak

      Aaaand Ms KrystalMeth just confirmed Nikon’s fear: The lens lineup qustion – the big elephant in the room.

    • akkual

      Only thing they need to do, is to take the mirror assembly out of Df, add EVF, little bit adjust the controllers, add some new software from Nikon 1 series.. and they would have a “perfect” mirrorless FX body to start with that takes all the lenses Nikon has done since 1950s.

      • Zarderak

        Ah but that won’t fly: While that keeps existing costomers happy, it will not attract a single new one, because keeping the flange distance of a mirror DSLR body (and thus lens compatibility) will give that body a distinct size disadvantage compared to Sony, Fuji etc. It will look half-ass which is sth Nikon must avoid after the Df fiasco.

        • Daniel Högberg

          They dont need to change the flange distance, just look at the FM/FM2/FM3. If they put an FF sensor in that body it will almost be the size of the Fuji X-T1, BUT FULL FRAME. Nikon can do it, question is if their stubborness will prohibit them from doing it.

        • akkual

          If you need a smaller body, go with Nikon 1 or Sony system or whatever existing mirrorless. I personally prefer high image quality in pro gear much more than saving 100g or 5mm in thickness.

          • Zarderak

            Well, people do already which isn’t good for Nikon. While for me, too, IQ is th emost important aspect, Sony has already proven 36MP with great IQ can be done mirrorlessly. Luckily, they cannot build a user interface to save their lives nor do they have a decent lens system – or Nikon would be in even more trouble.

            I own an extensive Nikon system around 800e/810 bodies and a Fuji XT/XF set. If I could combine the best aspects of the two, I’d do so in a hearbeat.

      • How about taking AF out of the df, replace sensor with a7s sensor, remove the ugly front dial, make the camera way smaller, add a focusing screnn, add video, full metal body. Sounds better to me 😉

        • Duncan Dimanche

          Sounds good to me ! exepte for the AF.. I need AF but no video…. very stupid move.. very

          Look how many people bought the Mark II instead of the D700 just because of the video feature…. and yet they are doing it again… no one would have NOT bought the Df because it had a video feature… no one

          • Aldo

            What I find rather interesting… is how many people (myself included) bought the d700 instead of the mark 2… with no video and almost fifty percent less resolution.

          • Nikon tried to appeal to the minimalist stereotype Leica user by not including video, and failed in this regard by making the camera way overloaded with buttons and giving it a partially plastic body. I still think there should be 2 Dfs: one manual focus camera (fe2 size) for the nostalgic with film camera ergonomics minimalist ui, high end build, low volume production sold at high prices ~4000$ and one Df as we have it now both with video.

    • Robert F.

      Well, if you throw in the towel on investing in your core business, then it’s a tacit admission that you’re already out of business. I don’t think that’s the case here.

      Nikon, in typical fashion (and now more than ever due to the industry shift) are likely taking their time to ensure this new product is done right, and meets certain very specific criteria, namely: performance, compatibility, and reliability. The first will speak to professional and serious amateur needs, the second to finding innovative ways to allow the existing F mount and existing Nikkor lenses to work with this new system (also including CLS, etc.), and the third must deal with QA issues (something they’ve recently been stung by).

      Finally, they’ll almost certainly want to introduce features or capabilities that separate themselves from the herd and that gives them a clear competitive advantage over Sony, Olympus, et al … while simultaneously also trying to trump Canon.

      That’s a lot of stuff to juggle … and it doesn’t happen overnight. As I’ve mentioned before, my guess is that Nikon’s skunkworks has already been at work at this for a while now, and are simply remaining relatively quiet about it (for obvious reasons).

      • Zarderak

        I certainly hope you’re right, Robert. Maybe they’ll pull a D700 or D800 equivalent game changer out of their a.. sorry, hat in 2015.

        But here’s the thing from my business side of thinking/observing: Classic product lifecycles in the photo industry seem to be a thing of the past. Fuji actually impresses me by refining (and market-testing!) their products step by step while not disgruntling but on the contrary delighting their existing consumer base by upgrading older products with new insights via firmware.

        This iterating approach – while still earning money and building a customer base – to me seems far better adjusted to todays market than the “fiddle in secret for years and then come out with a bang and be on top again” approach that Nikon seems to prefer.

        BTW: I own both a pretty extensive Nikon setup and the Fuji X-T1 plus lenses. They are both excellent at what they’re made for and the Fuji has a distinct size advantage. But that means, I’m cutting down on the Nikon lineup and had you predicted Fuji to be a real threat to existing Nikon business three yrs ago, I’d laughed myself silly… 😉

        • Robert F.

          First, you can rest assured that Nikon (and Canon) are watching what Fuji is doing very, very closely. “First study your enemy…” blah blah blah … you know the rest.

          The camera industry has stalled out because we’ve reached a point of sufficiency, saturation, and disruption from other electronics sectors (smartphones primarily).

          Nikon has a very different set of objectives than the mirrorless makers, however. Legacy means balancing several equations simultaneously:

          – Trying not to cannibalize your profitable DSLR sales irrevocably in the near-term;

          – Making sure professionals and advanced users are getting the products they want/need, and not relegating existing pro products currently in use to the dust bin of history overnight;

          – Making sure a serious new product is up to snuff in terms of quality, performance, and reliability;

          – Looking at the products being offered by the other mirrorless makers and identifying weaknesses and things that can be improved upon;

          – If possible, trying to find some areas where you can be disruptive and change the game a bit (thereby one-upping the other manufacturers and achieving a competitive lead overnight … at least for a while)

          What Japan Camera Inc. really needs right now to move the needle significantly is its own version of a moon shot, or Manhattan Project.

          I suspect the sleeping giant is awake alright … and just pretending to be asleep. It’s probably also aware that it’s made some missteps recently in terms of QA and PR, and is looking closely at those as well.

  • Larry Holt

    While Nikon is “Nikon is still “studying the demand” for a D300s replacement”, a lot of us are going to be gone to Canon along with some serious long tele lenses purchases

    • D700s

      Please list your Nikon gear here so we can make offers when you switch.

      • Larry Holt

        I’m keeping my D800e, just need a good crop camera which Nikon refuses to make.

        • D700s

          Sell your DX lenses now and move on.

          • Eno

            Are you a blind FX fan or are just payed by Nikon to promote FX cameras and annoy users who want something else?

            • KnightPhoto

              A lot of us ARE big FX fans and STILL want a DX cam with a big buffer. And no I don’t give a rats a$$ if it’s more expensive than a D610.

            • Aldo

              Agreed… but nikon thinks there aren’t enough rats to justify the camera.

        • akkual

          Why you just cannot crop the D800e pictures? There’s even a built in mode for it, and it’s still like 15mpix. And with D810+grip, you would get even 7 fps in DX mode, if the speed is the thing.

          • neversink

            No, the speed is not the “thing.” The final photograph is the thing!!!!! Smoley Hokes!!!!!

          • Larry Holt

            15mp @ 7fps and a screwed up viewfinder vs 20mp @10fps. or 24mp, or 24mp and a good fps if Nikon would ever respond with a D300 update.

            • m35g35

              Whats wrong with the viewfinder on the D800E?

            • Larry Holt

              Nothing until you use crop mode, then i don’t like it.

            • m35g35

              But it does not make it bad for everyone else.

            • Larry Holt

              Didn’t say it did.

          • catinhat

            Do you like using FX viewfinder in DX mode?

          • amaas

            You can, if you want to spend $2.2k for a camera with half the speed of a D300s (D800) or 2/3rds the speed of a D300s (D810) and still get images with significantly less IQ than a D7100 (the D810 might beat the D7100 silly when shooting FX, but in DX the IQ is lower than the D7100).

        • Morgan Glassco

          Yes the D7100 is a terrible DX camera, just rubbish really.

          • Larry Holt

            Never said the D7100 was terrible, you must have an awful thin skin. D7100 is a good camera just to small, to light, missing buttons and slow frame rate for me.

            • Morgan Glassco

              Hard to keep up with you… and I quote

              ” just need a good crop camera which Nikon refuses to make”

              and then “D7100 is a good camera”

              ::scratching head::

            • Larry Holt

              Good for my use, sorry I wasn;t clear about that.

            • Morgan Glassco

              I hear you. If Nikon is really studying the demand it is obvious they aren’t watching blogs like these and the photo forums. Plenty of shooters out there clamoring for that pro DX again.

    • neversink

      How many people are you speaking for when you make unsubstantiated comments like “a lot of us are going to be gone to Canon….. blah blah blah blah blah.”

  • Eno

    I’m old Nikon fan it is hard to forgive Nikon in some aspects:

    4k video is coming to the Nikon DSLR lineup – When, on several years? No thank you, we need it now!

    “You can expect some new DX lenses in the future. We haven’t forgotten about our DX customers” – Well your DX lens road-map showed us the contrary! For everybody is clear that you only care about FX users for some time now.

    Nikon is still “studying the demand” for a D300s replacement – Are you joking? This camera is awaited for 5 years now!

    • D700s

      All 42 people demand the Nikon D300s replacement NOW!

      • Larry Holt

        You’re a real idiot aren’t you.

        • D700s

          Yes. I don’t know of anyone NEEDING a DX body. Except you, so now I know one.

          • Larry Holt

            Like I said a moron who needs to crawl back under his rock. Just because people have needs you don’t you put them down jerk.

          • DougB

            Guess what, you know another one. Even with a D4s and D4 available to me, there were still shots that were better suited to DX, unfortunately Nikon also drinks the BS “all pros want FX” Koolaid, which is not true, because Sports and Wildlife shooters love the option of a DX body.

            • Eno

              Totally agree!

            • I have to ask, but why do you think that sports and wildlife shooters love DX bodies?

            • Eno

              What a silly question LOL.
              Because of the extra reach and better cover AF, why else?

            • By ‘better reach’ do you mean the 1.5x crop factor? If so, you do realize that there DX lenses do not actually increase the magnification of a lens (a 200mm lens in DX is still has the same magnification as 200mm in FX – the only difference is the DX crops to the field of view of a 300mm – but there is no magnification whatsoever) – this is a common misconception.

              Also, better coverage of AF is entirely dependent on which AF system they put into the camera. The 39 point AF system they put in many of the DX models is certainly no better than the 51 point (and faster) AF systems they put in the FX bodies.

              So, not a silly question at all.

            • DX crop on a D800/D810 gives you 15mp, Nikon’s DX sensor gives you 24mp. Larger frame coverage of AF sensors is also highly desirable for bird in flight shooters and other fast, erratic moving endeavors.

            • HF

              Many shooters are more than happy with D4/D4s and 16MP. In DX mode you have a large part of your VF covered by the AF-points, too. However, in good light you can make good use of the extra resolution, that is true. At higher ISO the difference when down-sampled is negligible.

            • The D4/D4s is a great camera but those of us that sell really large wildlife prints and especially small birds want a whole lot more pixels than the 15mp you get in DX crop mode on a D800/D810 or the paltry 7mp you get on a D4/D4s when cropping to the same angle of view. yes the AF point coverage is very good when shooting in DX mode but the megapixels are not. That’s where the wildlife guys are coming from when banging the D400 drum. The D7100 is actually pretty darn good for this save the absolutely crappy buffer.

            • HF

              That’s a valid point I can understand. Unfortunately you belong to a very small minority really needing large prints (most of the people on the forums usually don’t (my guess)), for them 16MP are sufficient imo. FF would help you, however you need to spend a fortune on good and fast lenses. Wouldn’t a D750 or D810 with the new zooms from Sigma and Tamron be an option, too, or do you require large fps?

            • To make our minority even smaller, most of us already shoot with 500 f/4, 600 f/4 or 800 f/5.6 and converters 😉

            • Eno’s point was about the “better reach” which is a fallacy (the magnification doesn’t change) – even with a larger MP size, the photoreceptors in DX are smaller, and aren’t as sharp as the FX – you get less resolving power in the DX even with a larger MP count.

              The AF coverage is really about the same, especially with the 51 point AF systems in the FX bodies…

            • amaas

              Better reach is not a falacy. Reach is about pixels on the subject, not magnification. You would need a 54MP body to put as much pixels on the subject with an FX camera than a current Nikon DX camera.

              And actually the current DX cameras outresolve the 24MP FX cameras, courtesy of their lack of an AA filter. The idea that DX pixels aren’t as sharp is a falacy, they simply need higher resolving power from a given lens to get a given amount of system resolution.

              And AF coverage is not the same. The 51 point unit covers around 2/3rds of the DX frame (and damn near the whole frame if shooting a D7100 in 1.3 crop mode), that’s notably better than the slightly less than 50% of the frame covered by the same unit on an FX camera.

            • Eno

              And if you don’t need a FF, why pay 3500$ for a D810? With the extra money you can buy a good lens.

              Not everyone needs a FF, it is as simple as that.

            • HF

              Use D810 in crop mode. Gives you pixel pitch of D7000 (but with now better sensor) and 7fps if needed (or just crop?). AF cover for DX mode is quite good, too. No complaints from my side (only prize, perhaps, but for two cameras in one?)

            • cppguy16

              Not nearly enough resolution on the D810 in crop mode. Even the D3200 has better detail.

            • HF

              How much resolution do you need? If you use it for sports or wildlife at ISO 3200 and up you will see a lot of noise with 24MP (at work we have both D7100 and D7000). Compared to the D610, for example, the D7100 needs to be down-sampled at ISO3200 to look usable for larger prints.

            • Eno

              How on earth a good DX camera affects you, I don’t get it? There are people like me, who want other things then you. And those people are wiling to pay Nikon for it.

              Nikon, if you are listening, please make sure you dilever us a pro DX with great image quality, great fps and great 4K video please!

            • mikeswitz

              Does not have better “reach”.!

            • VikingAesir

              Yes DX does, educate yourself on pixel density.

            • mikeswitz

              I’m educated. It’s still not better reach.

            • Eno

              Stop dissecting words, you understood perfectly what I wanted to say.

            • mikeswitz

              It’s not dissecting words. A 200mm lens has more reach than a 50mm lens. A 1.5 crop sensor does not have more reach than FF. It’s simple physics.

            • Eno

              You are both wrong and right. A 300 mm lens on a 10 MP FF camera has the same reach as a 200mm lens on a 10 MP APS-C camera.
              So a 200mm lens on a 10 MP APS-C camera has more reach then on a 10 MP FF camera.

            • Andrew

              Very clever question 😉

            • Michiel953

              So you’re saying mr Akagi is lying when he says Nikon is studying demand? Well of course, why would Nikon or any other company study demand? It’s just a spiel they hand out to the gullible, but you’re smarter than that I can see.

            • Eno

              They are not studying the demand, they are just reacting because the 7D mark 2 made a lot of photographers happy (except videographers who are angry at Canon).

            • Michiel953

              Ahh. So much for ground roots wisdom.

            • mikeswitz

              And those complaining about the 2008 sensor. Have you been to Canon Rumors? More whiners than even here.

            • Eno

              Well, I’m not saying 7D mark 2 is perfect, is far from it but at least it delivers. It uses the same tech as their FF sensors so they don’t know Nikon’s great DR, or Panasonic exceptional video.

              If Nikon makes a D300s successor with the current or better 24 Mp DX sensor, 51 Af points, more than 10 fps, deep buffer and good 4K with pixel resizing to 4K, they will sell it like hotcakes in 2000 territory. But they are not that smart and they won’t make it. 🙁

            • akkual
            • neversink

              What do you mean there are shots better suited to DX. That is total nonsense. I shoot sports, wildlife, industrial, editorial… I have no need for a DX camera. But if you want one, that’s ok by me. Just stop making ludicrous statements like “Sports and Wildlife shooters love the option of a DX body.” Have you taken a poll????

      • Couldn’t it be that the D810 is the D300s replacement?

        Semi-pro body, sure at 7 FPS with grip instead of 8?

        Or is it only the price?

        • Eno

          If you say it like that, way on earth is not D4s a replacement for D300s? LOL

    • Aldo

      4k video … “we need it now!” really?

      • Yeah, no.

      • KnightPhoto

        I can wait on 4K, I have no way to store that kind of volume and no way to watch it. Someday yes, so I’m OK with 4K in the next generation.

      • Eno

        Other people want 4K in a good DSLR, just look at how well GH4 is selling, they just stated the demand was much, much higher than anticipated!
        If you don’t need it, ignore it altogether. Good 4K in a camera means faster read out of the sensor, faster possible FPS, also a powerful processor which translates in better stills. In other words a great 4K DSLR will benefit video shooters but also still shooter without them knowing it.

        • mikeswitz

          You are a sucker for marketing. Ihave a former student who is a Panasonic rep. The best defense he was able to come up with is “different cameras for different jobs”, whatever the hell that means. Listen to people who really make a living at film and video. They have no ax to grind. The camera manufacturers do.

          • Eno

            I think you should speak more polite, it will do you more justice.
            It happens that I do make a living from both photo and video and I very well know what I need.

            • mikeswitz

              I think I have been very polite. To say one is a sucker for marketing is hardly a put down. What kind of video do you do?

        • Aldo

          Idk… a7s does 4k and the stills are meh. Don’t see much use for 4k video atm other than a tool for cropping during production. It is the future though… just not the immediate future.

    • mikeswitz

      As anyone who knows about professional film (video) production knows, 4k in DSLRs in its current availability, sucks. I’ll say it again, if you seen it on a true 4k monitor, it sucks. Nikon has stated over and over that 4k is not ready yet, at least for their cameras. All you wedding photographers out there, complaining about not be able to shoot 4k just don’t know what they are talking about.

      • Eno

        If you watch a good 4K film, even on a FHD TV, if you have the choice, you will never what native FHD again, this I promises to you!

        • mikeswitz

          I’m a filmmaker–have been for 40 years. I have watched 4k on every kind of monitor there is. It sucks, or at best as good as 1080p HD. Get back to me in about 2 years.

          • Eno

            If you are who you say, you wouldn’t say such nonsense!

            • mikeswitz

              IMDB. Michael Switzer. Over 36 movies for television some of which were also released as features. Over 60 1 hours episodes Doesn’t include documentaries or my work as a cameraman. I am who I say and none of it is nonsense.

            • Eno

              Good for you, keep the good work also from now on and relax a little because 4K is the future, at least until 8K appears. 🙂

            • Aldo

              lol 8k…. I hope it comes with an upgraded pair of human eyes…. because currently not everyone can perceive 4k on a 40inch or smaller monitor.

            • John

              Thank you Mike Switzer! I wish reason would win out but thanks for your input here!

            • mikeswitz

              Thanks, but somehow I never do with those that demand Nikon include 4k NOW.

            • captaindash

              For sequence shooters who need them as an actual sequence for a magazine (action sports, for example), the 7 or 8mp stills that 4k provides are perfect, unless there’s something I don’t know about. If you shoot video at a shutter speed of 1/1000sec, would a still frame look just like a ‘regular’ frame shot at the same shutter speed (just lower megapixels)? If so, then 4k is basically a 30fps camera because magazines were running full page covers off 6mp back in the day, so for 1/8 or smaller of a page (a single frame in a sequence), 8mp may as well be 80.

            • mikeswitz

              How do you propose to shoot at 1000th of a second at 30 fps?

  • DougB

    Dear Nikon: THE DEMAND FOR A D300s successor is THERE!!! While I own 2 FX bodies, if you make a legitimate D300s successor (not this D7100 crap), I will buy TWO of them. You don’t even need to design a new body, just put it in the D300s bodies… and upgrade the insides!!!

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      It won’t save Nikon from a disaster even if YOU buy three…

      • Andrew

        Actually, I see Nikon with its D810 (36MP) camera eating Canon’s lunch and Sony’s lunch in the video market. That is enough nourishment for them while developing the new D7200 camera which should incorporate their awesome new auto-focus system found in the D750.

        • Justin

          LOL, I laughed when I read they are still studying demand for D300s replacement. They really have lost touch with their customers on this one….

          • HF

            Do you really think they don’t do polls or do surveys? They certainly are calculating it through. The other thing I’m not sure about is whether they incorporate the indirect benefit of happy people spreading word to family, relatives and friends to help Nikon sell more other cameras.

          • Andrew

            You’re funny 😉 Here is the inside scoop, they have already moved a lot of their D300 customers to the D7100 and D810 series. A few more holdouts they captured with the D610 series. The D750 should get a few more. And when they “eventually” release the D400, they will get many of these same customers coming back to buy it. Many are now cropping the daylight out of the D810 (36MP) and operating it in DX mode and are enjoying it. Now all of this insider information is going to cost you something 😉

            • Alderaan

              Just wanted to add that when they eventually do release the D400 it will still only be ‘almost there’; not quite what you actually want but maybe just close enough to make you settle for it.

            • Andrew

              I tend to agree. Nikon has expertly found a way to agitate us for anything below $3,000. But since the D400 will be their all pro DX camera, I expect it to be as complete as the D810 and D4s.

      • FE10

        I have the D300 and P7800. Both are beasts. Nikon needs a beast child of the 2. Call it the BC8000. Just keep fingertip manual functions intact, don’t make it too small, improve speed of RAW processing, improve the electronic viewfinder. A successor to the AW1 in the shell of the P7800 in DX would be perfect for me…I guess I should keep dreaming…

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      In fact the only safe way for Nikon to expand their market is a FF (able) mirrorless.

      • DougB

        If you don’t want one, then shut your piehole and just don’t buy one… no need to be a douchbag roadblock for the people who do want, and need them.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          If you think you may jumb in every different subject asking your stupid requirement which is irrelevant from the subject and create a conversation around it… that’s YOUR stupidy of thinking… not mine!

          • mikeswitz

            Said the man whose EVERY prediction about the Df turned out to be wrong. Predictions that were stated as fact.

        • you forgot the “e” in douchebag.

      • VikingAesir

        In fact your opinion is BS. Leaving a market you once dominated to a competitor is stupid, no safe.

      • Mrpong

        “In fact the only safe way for Nikon to expand their market is a FF (able) mirrorless.”

        Based on what facts? What make you think so?

        • Andrew

          Maybe not the only way, but with its wide range of video possibilities, Mirrorless cameras hold great potential. But an APS-C sensor should be sufficient to do the job. Slow motion video, high frame rate (20 fps), small size, beautiful design; all of these are things that appeal to consumers. And consider that there are millions of soccer moms, that greatly expands the market for Nikon.

        • mikeswitz

          theodoros fotometeria has his own facts. as far Ican tell they are unique to him.

    • Eno

      Agree!

      • mikeswitz

        This could be the beginning of a brand new bromance.

    • Debopriyo Datta

      I want one too!

      • Daniel Högberg

        What? A bromance?

    • Kynikos

      You’ll buy two? Oh wow.

      Then again, they don’t sell many Nikon 1-V cameras at full price and they make those, so maybe you’ve got a shot.

      • Andrew

        The Nikon 1 V3 is selling very well and is currently back-ordered practically everywhere. At 20 fps, it will be a sports photographer’s dream if Nikon incorporates a larger image sensor. A larger sensor will give us much higher ISO which should improve the image quality dramatically.

        • HF

          If performance would hold up with a larger sensor, then yes.

          • Andrew

            Remember that the camera’s performance is also a function of the processing speed of the image processor. So when released, you would expect it to be coupled with a new EXPEED image processor.

            • HF

              Certainly. I just don’t expect 20fps. But 10-15fps should be possible (see NX1).

    • I’m all in on a pro grade DX body!

    • Morgan Glassco

      I kinda like seeing people squirm, so I hope Nikon doesn’t release a D400~!

    • BrainBeat

      As a D7100 owner I defiantly would not call it crap. That said an upgraded DX body is needed be it a D7100 replacement or a D300 replacement. Personally being able to use photos up to 12800 iso and keeping 12mp+ is what I am hoping for.

      • HF

        I believe ISO 12800 on APSC with probably 24MP sensors doesn’t look too good.

        • BrainBeat

          That is why I said if need be drop the resolution down as far a 12mp. I certainly do not need much more than that for most of my work but having “clean” photos @12800 I could very much use.

          You might then say go FX and I might but currently I only own DX lenses so it is a big investment to do so.

          • HF

            That’s true, especially if you want to afford larger tele-lenses. Our hobby is just too expensive.

            • BrainBeat

              Well relatively I think it is for the most part getting slowly cheaper with time. But yes for me I work in mass produced photo market where margins a small and pay is not that great so every investment is a big thing.

        • Andrew

          I would be happy with clean ISO 3,200 image on an APS-C sensor. If they can improve the quality to D700 class ISO 6,400, that would be wonderful.

    • HF

      I would be interested in how large (percentage) the demand for a D300s successor really is, amongst all Nikon camera buyers. There certainly are enthusiasts paying for it, but at a visible price point of around 1600$-2200$ there shouldn’t be too many.

      • BrainBeat

        Price point is a very relevant issue with this camera that somehow it has to be a “Pro DX” body but not hurt the sales of the D610 and D750. In a way Nikon has painted themselves in to a corner with no much room to move to release the camera in.

      • VikingAesir

        There are still a ton of people actively using their D300(s) I doubt they’ve all kept them because the camera is perfect but because Nikon hasn’t come out with a real upgrade yet. Canons 7d2 pre orders would argue that there is a tremendous market for a $1700 pro build DX camera.

        • HF

          Even if preorders look good, the question is how large of a percentage of the total (in this case Canon) camera sales we would/can expect to really make an impact?

        • dclivejazz

          If Canon does it, so will Nikon. These guys are like teenagers.

    • Colin Stuart

      Canon did this with the 7DII and all people do is moan and bitch and complain. Apparently people only like mirrorless cameras now :/

    • UnknownTransit

      Actually, they’re waiting to see how the 7D Mk II sells. Everyone here wants one doesn’t mean it will sell well. The pro market isn’t as big as the consumer market.

      If a consumer wants to upgrade from their D3xxx/D5xxx, they might consider FF cameras like the D610 oppose to a pro DX D300s replacement. If the D300s replacement and the D610 is sold at the same price, I think it would be more appealing to go FF. Unless they can make a profit by selling the D300s replacement at the D7100’s price, it’s very hard to market this camera.

      I do agree that Nikon needs a sub 2k pro body camera. Not everyone can throw 3k for a D810 that doesn’t do sports.

  • Michele Perillo

    You know, I was going to just say wow! too many good news at the same time!, then I started reading the other comments, and the guy who says -we need 4K NOW!- really stoned me. Need 4k now – what for? Really, now I think that we deserve to be mistreated by Nikon, these guys know what we need better than we do.

    • Eno

      Those guys know only one thing, to milk as much money possible by offering us incomplete products. As sad as it sounds, this is the strategy of most major companies and I’m seek of it. In the end they will pay the price for their arrogance when the customers will search elsewhere.

      • mikeswitz

        Give me a break. I think you are saying Nikon should make a DSLR that has 4k because people who have no idea of what they are talking about are demanding it? Really?

      • Aldo

        turn on the tv… most hd programming is 720p or 1080p (compressed low bitrate)… and you want 4k now?

    • neversink

      They need 4K video to take movies of their cats. Who knows? 4K has a long way to go before it is used professionally. They haven’t even decided on the different technical industrial standards in 4K yet

  • D700s

    Sorry Peter. If I comment on the site anymore I’ll be like everyone else and just trash Nikon. My mistake.

    • Eno

      Nikon needs trashing for wanking up!

      • fjfjjj

        +1 for “wanking up”

  • ZZ

    I for one do not want dinky body FF mirrorless … prefer same size as D800/810 with extra space gained from losing the mirror box crammed with faster processor and buffer … and larger/extra battery for EVF …

  • twoomy

    Of course this post leads us to many snide possible responses, but in DX or smaller, Fujifilm, Panasonic, and Olympus have already won. To find their niche, Nikon would have to do FX mirrorless. While Sony already beat them to the punch, the FE line has quite a small number of lenses. If Nikon can make an FX mirrorless camera with a few compelling smaller lenses in addition to “backwards” compatibility with existing F-mount lenses (via adapter and fast PDAF focus), there is a chance for Nikon to get in the market.

    • Debopriyo Datta

      I doubt that Fuji has managed to make much headway. I have a Fuji X which has major focus issues as well as a ridiculous battery life. The small form factor also makes it necessary to use a grip. Any sort of serious shooting will send me scurrying back to my Nikon DSLRs.

    • catinhat

      ” in DX or smaller, Fujifilm, Panasonic, and Olympus have already won”

      They might have won some new users. Nikon has a large established user base sitting on a pile of F-mount lenses. Many of those are still on the fence, but they won’t be on the fence forever. (actually, forever might have passed already)

    • Robert F.

      “…in DX or smaller, Fujifilm, Panasonic, and Olympus have already won.”

      Being first out of the gate doesn’t mean being first across the finish line. Nikon’s already established — and much larger — market share will more than make up for the head start Fuji, Olympus, and Panasonic currently enjoy.

      That goes double if the new Nikon pushes the features/technology envelope beyond what the others are offering.

      In fact, it could take some of the other players off the board … permanently. Or at the very least lead to some mergers/acquisitions (no names).

      We could be seeing the camera wars heating up again in the next 48 months.

  • twoomy

    BTW Whatever happened to the Nikon 1 AW line? An interchangable lens waterproof camera isn’t very compelling if you only have two crap lenses available for it. A wide-angle lens would be nice. Being waterproof is the only feature of Nikon 1 (AW) that sets it apart from the other systems, and Nikon seems to have pretty much forgotten about it.

    • It’s the only raw-shooting compact waterproof camera there is.

      For that reason, I own one. Possibly the only “1” that will ever grace my house. In fact, they just updated the flash for it, which I’ve been meaning to get but haven’t.

      Tip: Turn ADL off or the shadow noise will drive you crazy.
      Otherwise the 1 in. sensor is fine in good light. A little flat, but fine.

      I have three types of photos with it: beach, underwater and snow. That’s it.

      • henk

        Yes! I need a AW2, my AW1 i dead, waterleak… 🙁

    • A much wider lens is definitely needed for any serious UW photographer.

      • Aldo

        I think a serious UW photographer would just get a waterproof rig for a dslr… that and a comedy book.

  • PeterO

    Nikon will absolutely, without question, perhaps think about, at some time in the future, maybe doing something that might involve a camera. Possibly.

    • They didn’t commit that. They’re studying it very hard though.

      • PeterO

        Indeed you’re correct InTheMist. My comment was far too committed. Yes, much more studying must be done.

      • catinhat

        They better hurry, some may buy a 7DII while they are studying.

        • mikeswitz

          If that’s what they want, they should. And they added benefit will be we won’t have to hear their whining anymore.

        • Aldo

          7d m2 claims to focus like a video camera… that’s hot

  • Marcelo Tezza

    Nikon studying the demand of a d300s successor
    It is a joke right?
    UAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHA!
    DX lenses yeah, someday in the future, maybe…
    Why nikon still don,t have a 70-200 dx eqv?
    DX seems today like A-mount is to Sony.
    They made you like something, but now they want to get rid of it, but doing that they loose loyal customers…
    who needs a D4x today?
    Why they don’t make a sports camera with d810 style?
    D4s price its like a mine of gold for then i suspect, because 80% or more don’t need that kind of a professional body, we want the d700 successor and the d300s successor everybody says that for years and they say like they never heard anybody asking for.
    Nikon, really?

  • RMJ

    What is there to study ??? I’d kill for a D400 or two !

    • fjfjjj

      I guess they’re busy studying homicidal photographers then.

  • Aldo

    Here’s the truth guys… (if you haven’t figured it out by now). Nikon does NOT wan’t to give you a “pro” body for under 3k…. even if they bring a d300s replacement… expect it to look something like the d750. They would want to sell you a pro dx for over 2k and to them it just doesn’t make much sense when you can get an fx sensor or well under that.

    • You can get a larger sensor for “well under that”, but not much else as compared to the D300s.

      • Aldo

        I guess they are in the business of selling sensors now.

  • I would totally buy one of these:

    It would have to be fast though, and the battery would have to last.

    https://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Nikon-mirrorless-camera-concept1.jpg

    • Or the original Nikon mirrorless. Yeah, I would buy one of these too.

      https://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nikon-I-first-camera.jpg

      • Mrpong

        The S series is so gorgeous but unfortunately it’s not based on F-mount as far as I’ve known. Its flange distance is about 34.85mm, compared to 46.5mm of F-mount. Thus the S series was thinner and more compact than other F-mount bodies.

        If they make mirrorles, there are pros and cons to think about. Using F-mount with a big pile of F-mount lens or using a new mount that can make a body thinner or smaller.

      • mikeswitz

        I had one. I rue the day (20 years or so ago) Sold it. The SP was one of the great film cameras of all time.

    • Neopulse

      EVF and LCD use never really is conservative on battery power.

      • Mrpong

        I had Italy trip few months ago and took X-E2 with me. I spent a whole day shooting with one battery,and that’s enough comfortably.

  • RMFearless

    wake up nikon!

  • Newbie

    Sigh…frigging slow Nikon

  • Narretz

    Calling it now, Nikon will release (or join) an APS-C mirrorless mount that will replace DX. FF FX will still be their pro line. (I am taking bets)

    • captaindash

      That would be interesting. I started out with Nikon in DX (D300), but I bought all FF glass because I was using it professionally. That made my switch to FF seamless. If the DX equivalent was a different mount, I might not’ve made the jump.

  • fjfjjj

    Nikon still producing cameras in 10 years is a possibility.

  • Greg Heller

    By the time they finish studying the D300s situation, all the customers who wanted them will be dead.

  • Jonathan

    They better study the demand for a D300 successor faster. I don’t want to go canon if I don’t have to, but they already have the 7D Mk II.

  • I_am_waiting

    “So maybe if there is enough demand”… “studying the demand”…
    ok…The message is : we need high volume sales now
    so question: who has “studied the demand” for the Df ?

    • Zarderak

      They’ve studied the demand for the Df extensively – after they brought it to market. After 3.000 hrs spend by interns on post-hoc analysis in a Nikon summer project, the mangement summary said: It looks silly, doesn’t sell (only to silly people) and degrades the Nikon brand. But on the bright side, it didn’t cost much R&D as it did nothing new and it doesn’t cannibalize any pro or cosumer bodies. 😉

      • mikeswitz

        You obviously have not shot with one. And there must be an awful lot of silly people out there.

        • Zarderak

          I have and there are – just not enough to economically carry the product line

    • MonkeySpanner

      If they want high volume sales now – why not drop the price of the v3 kit to $450?

    • mikeswitz

      Sold pretty well—made a profit.

  • Robert F.

    As soon as Canon hinted at a “serious” mirrorless camera during a recent Photokina interview (reported yesterday)…

    …dpreview reports this today.

    lol.

    As goes Canon, so goes Nikon … and vice versa. I suspect we’ll probably see a serious mirrorless offering from Nikon within 2 years.

  • Neopulse

    You know what would be pretty awesome, the D300 successor being a high fps mirrorless camera. With a optional grip to help with ergonomics (for some), with extended battery life and speed. Wonder what would their work around be for lenses though.

    • Aldo

      if it’s another d350 they will deff bitch lol

      • Neopulse

        That would be hilarious if they named it that.

  • Does not the concept looks like Fuji X E1/E2..? Hm Nikon does XT 1 hopefully scared you so much you woke up now 🙂

  • Does not the concept looks like Fuji X E1/E2..? Hm Nikon does XT 1 hopefully scared you so much you woke up now 🙂

  • Probably the best review I have seen of the Sony A7S is from Philip Bloom. http://youtu.be/q8qmccMniSI A few key points: rolling shutter, rolling shutter, rolling shutter. Also, no 4K in camera. Another general point he makes is that people need to light their videos, and not just crank the ISO, even if the high ISO is quite good.

    So, if Nikon wants to play in that market, the Sony A7 line is the model. It would mean some form of adapter for F mount lenses, because then the body could be thinner; otherwise there is little point to make a mirrorless FX body. Arguably Panasonic appear to do 4K better than most other companies.

    Nikon has old lens designs in their archive that could be modernized and made into autofocus versions. When the Dƒ was launched, the designers mentioned a study for a Digital S model, though not necessarily a rangefinder camera. Nikon could also go more “DSLR like” in the body design, which again would be like the Sony A7 line. If the Sony and Zeiss combination is getting enough sales, then Nikon could move quickly. My guess is nothing before the next Olympics.

    • He made an excellent point about rolling shutter that seems obvious now but I hadn’t thought of. Shoot in 1.5x crop to reduce the rolling shutter phenomenon.

  • jsa

    What’s to study ? 7DII sales !

  • bgbs

    Here is the deal Nikon, lets release a real D700 successor in a mirrorless body, and I’ll be happy. You owe us the D700 successor anyways.

    • mikeswitz

      Actually, Nikon owes you nothing.

  • Funduro

    As long as the large size(DX,FX) mirrorless camera can accept my Nikon FX lenses without any major compromises, I’m a customer in waiting. Df the retro look will be much appreciated.

  • Matt012

    “study the demand of D300s replacement”

    My goodness….it surely means that they haven’t started any research or development at all. We have been waiting it for five years at least! How many years do you want more? This leaves me no choice and I have to consider Canon 7dmkII which definitely makes every DX body like a clown.

    • mikeswitz

      Go for it. But check out Canon Rumors first.

    • Mrpong

      I too have a plan to get 7dmkII. DX future is ambiguous. It’s likely that Nikon is going to abandon their DX users.

    • KnightPhoto

      Thom indicates there has been more than one “D400” prototype in the last 7 years… They shoulda already punted one out on the D7000 sensor (which was a good one), that was missed opportunity #1.

  • Hennry_s

    Nikon seems to conservative too much. If Nikon is not sure how to manage strategically their DX segment, they can incite the market and maintain customer’s satisfaction by introducing a new DX a body which is mirrorless and based on F-mount.

    • mikeswitz

      I think, but don’t know, that is exactly what they are doing, based on that interview.

  • rich

    I guess they will release quite a few dx cameras next year. The fx got upgraded this year. Expect mirrorless dx, d3xxx (which is almost yearly), d7xxx, and d3xx next year. Nikon usually upgrade their most expensive camera first, so maybe the d3xx. I expect 4k too, even though most people dont have 4k tv or internet speed to watch 4k youtube.

  • BrainBeat

    To those 300 owners and are waiting for the upgrade what exactly are you after? If enough of you can actually agree on what you want and some how articulate it to Nikon maybe they may actually do more than study.

  • Bill Ferris

    What he said: We are “studying the demand” for a D300s successor.
    What he meant: If Canon sells a ton of 7DMkII bodies, you can bet we’ll rush a D400 to market.

    • And lose that first ton of users in the process… 🙂

      • captaindash

        Canonrumors was full of people really underwhelmed with the 7DII. If not, I might’ve made the switch, just out of spite at this point, haha. The only reason I didn’t was because it’s probably like switching cell phone carriers. You just change for the same.

  • Des

    Give me FEV control in the AW1 and I’m happy. Geez never knew auto cameras were so hard to use.

  • Sebastian Wunsch

    What i’m still waiting on (as a D800-owner) is a counterpart to the Canon 7D mk.2 , meaning a D400 with a good high FPS in combination with good low-light-capabilities and a pro body. I’m aiming for the d810 right now as it is faster than my d800 (the one frame more with better buffer is it for me) and simply has a better body than the d750.
    It is a shame that nikon simply doesn’t get it going, especially since the demand is there.
    And after it got out, it will be bought, the so called haters will get quiet rather fast.
    I’m still hoping it will happen.

  • zeum

    Vaporware at the moment. a bit late for me. I’m currently in the process of selling off my D610 and lenses in switching to the Fuji xt1 :come on Nikon!

  • This is how people communicate.. saying nothing forthright, just hint at things. For the Japanese (or much parts of Asia), subtlety in communication is highly valued – it is a sign of high cultural upbringing. Yes, it is infuriating to those who like to call a spade a spade.

    So, it’s quite fine (now) to hope that there is a pro-DX coming.

    @NikonRumors:disqus, what does your ‘good source’ who gave you the D9300 info back in April have to say?

    A high-end, EXPEED 4 DX is missing in Nikons lineup. It will come. Question is ‘When?’ 🙂

  • Riccardo

    New DX lenses….

    GREAT! A new 18-xxxmm f3.5-5.6 incoming!!!!

    DX lineup:
    18-70mm
    18-135mm
    18-55mm
    18-55mm II
    18-5mm VR
    18-55mm VR II
    18-105 VR mm
    18-200 VR mm
    18-200mm VR II
    18-140 VRmm
    18-300 VRmm

    I see quite a gap between 18-140 and 18-200. Perhaps it will be a new 18-160mm!

    • Douglas Green

      It will be an 18-170

  • Jeroen Wijnands

    Via the AP link I read their article on the 7D. Wondering why Canon recognizes this and Nikon does not.

    , Canon has stressed the crucial role played by the camera’s
    target user, saying that photo enthusiasts ‘drive and inspire’ the
    entire UK photography market

  • DouglasGottlieb

    If that mockup has a high quality left side EVF, weather sealing, dual cards, PDAF and a FF sensor, you’re good to go. The styling is perfect, but offer an all black version as well and move the logo from the front to the top plate. 🙂

    • captaindash

      All black version? How novel. Are you a ninja trying to stay unseen? Better put black writing on it too.

      • DouglasGottlieb

        Good idea Black on black version would be sweet and novel. Only Fuji’s XPro- and Leicas are so discreet. Nikon would be a welcome addition

  • Denis Lynch

    Nikon 1 V3 Grip on SALE! $99 Ebay

  • nzswedespeed

    I wish I could block out comments about a d300s successor….I know you guys want one but commenting on every post is getting olde

    • captaindash

      We need to go all arab-spring and protest in front of Nikon. you’re right, this social media approach isn’t working, haha.

  • fjfjjj

    What does Nikon mean that they’re “studying the demand” for a D300s? All of the information necessary for their decision has been diligently compiled by the experts in the NikonRumors comments section.

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