The third Nikon Pure Photography video revealed a bit more of the DF camera:
The slogan this time is: "No clutter, no distractions, this is my world".
Nikon please do 35/1.8G FX (pancake, retro version) since it will nicely match with this classic body.
The 35/1.8G DX is actually one of my favourite lenses on FX(!)
That lens is too huge for my taste. I prefer G lens in the size of 35/f2D
I’m waiting to use my beloved 35 f/2 D on this baby …
This is not an SLR in the traditional sense, but a rangefinder with a removable ‘pentaprism’ housing which is an EVF. Please consider this a Fuji X100 with an F-mount, and an optional EVF accessory. Thus it has an optical (single lens) viewfinder, or with the EVF attachment, it’s a hybrid SLR.
In the videos, the EVF accessory is attached. In the product images, the EVF is not.
Nikon is touting this to meet more than one persons requirement, those that want a rangefinder, and those that want a dSLR.
If this is so, it’s a very innovative idea, but it would lose all interest for me.
As posted earlier by another poster, here is a better image :
One can see a viewfinder window on the right of the camera. Lends credence to the rangefinder conspiracy theory above.
You really think that’s a rangefinder window?
It’s not. It’s the DF logo blured.
or is this a flash unit (to the right of the camera ) ?
As I said before, No way it is a viewfinder window
if its not, i will be the happiest. keep it simple, keep it stupid, keep it pure and most importantly, keep it cheap….
this thing on top right of the camera is not a viewfinder window, but maybe a blurred F letter – the model name.
Interesting position for the strap anchors. Will the camera flip backward when worn around the neck?
Most likely. To me those anchors look like a result of an afterthought.
The strap anchors look really awkward in that position. Hopefully I will be wrong.
It looks like many film bodies over the years.
In the same palce as in the FG, an the grip looks like the one in the FG.
The FG really looks good! Somehow the recent trens in body design leave something to be desired.
Where are you seeing this window? Camera right or our right?
And do you mean rangefinder as in an actual rangefinder (the focusing mechanism), or the typical Leica rangefinder body shape?
I get the swappable VF idea such as in the F4. I can’t see them using a RF focussing mechanism so it’d have to be a regular pentaprism which would mean a mirror is required so it can’t really be like an X100 or any of the X-system Fujis but with an F mount.
I think they just mask parts of the camera, and unmask them for each new video. We could only see the lens at first, then some buttons, and now the whole front. Next time. we’ll see the pentaprism hump.
Interesting the 24mm 2.8D is shown in the video, which suggests a mount drive screw for autofocus on older AF-D lenses. Perhaps we will see an AIS lens in a later video.
Appears to be leatherette on the body and prism. Front command dial as on the P7100 Coolpix. Fixed F3 style front grip. PC flash sync cover. F3 and F4 style shutter speed selector dial. No top LCD. Left side top dial appears to be a selector, though style is like a rewind knob.
A selection of focus screens would be nice, though a hybrid viewfinder may be able to simulate enough to enhance the manual focus experience. Nice to see the old style AIS rubber grip pattern on the new lens. Appears to be 58mm filter thread size. Unlike the old AIS lens mount ring, the new silver ring will allow aperture selection directly.
If this proves popular enough, a silver and black version will launch. We may see a Titanium version in a year. People may mistake this for a film camera at first glance, which is the intention of the design. Definitely not a camera for everyone, but for previous Nikon film camera users.
Has it been ruled out that it is actually a hybrid for both digital and fim? (DF = Digital and Film)
There is a Nikon patent for a removable sensor, but to do that would make this camera far more expensive. There is no practical way to do a film/digital hybrid without a removable back, somewhat like the Leica R digital module. There are more than enough high quality Nikon film cameras on the used market, and there is still the F6 available new, so there is no good reason for Nikon to introduce another film camera.
I am maybe egocentric here, but I would personally find it a relief to be able to carry one camera with several backs instead of several cameras…
No, you’re not, you’re just being logical
Modular does make a lot more sense in the long term.
You might think it was a relief – until you saw the price they would charge
I assumed it was the 50mm 1.4D since it was supposed to be paired with a 50mm. The 50 1.4D and 24 2.8D look nearly identical though (exact same diameter and one tenth of an inch different in length), so it could have been either of these. This doesn’t change your point about having a screw drive AF in the camera though.
The front element isn’t nearly as close to the front of the lens on the 50.
I’m a little bit worried that the quality of the one-liners is deteriorating.
The “this is my world” line at the end ruins this one. Tip to the copy writer: “No clutter, no distraction. Free at last!”
Ok, that’s true. It’s a better video than no. 2 tho.
Then the inviting shot at the end wouldnt work that well. The viewer gets part of his world.
Too bad he’s still a slave to his battery.
What is the car in the video?
In which video will the girl appear?
if the lens is also the new one than you could count of a non “G” lens, i.e. manual aperture ring.
Notice the way he almost starts to twist the lens clockwise before counter-clockwise – like you used to have to do with the aperture ring on older Nikon SLRs to engage the prongs with the meter.
Steve Jobs’s philosophy with products was that the key is not to figure out which features you are going to put on a thing but rather how many features you can leave off a thing while still delivering an awesome product. I’m hoping Nikon has taken this “minimum excellent product” approach here which might make it actually possible for an awesome sensor while still at a sub-2000 price point. They would save quite a bit of build money without a handful of common I/O hardware items. Anything that wasn’t used by everybody would get the chop, rather than “oh it has to have that and that because it’s expected and our competitors have that”. I certainly don’t need a lot going on behind my 24 1.4 to be happy. Just give me a bright viewfinder, good sensor, decent screen and a shutter button and I’ll be happy.
I don’t mind paying a little more if it has a brass body… I know it won’t happen though.
I want an iron body, as soon as it begins to rust, i would know that i have to change the camera to take better pictures.
I wouldn’t mind paying a little bit more to have a better focus system.
I wouldn’t pay extra for brass. Once dented, always dented. Also, it weighs a ton. No thanks.
You remind me of the fans of “LOST”, searching for every little piece of information.
I hope that the end won’t be disapointing, like in LOST…
No mirrorles = No buy !
If its natively compatible with F-mount lenses, even if there’s no mirror (ala Pentax K-01), the flange back distance needs to be preserved, otherwise an adapter is required. Do you want mirrorless with the same thickness as a DSLR? I don’t.
I think Nikon is doing the right thing if they keep the F-mount, I would not be more interested in a Nikon mirrorless with a new mount than in the Sony A7/A7R.
I agree. The FX lens line-up’s good but the DX and CX lines are far from complete. If you add another line for FX mirrorless mount, it’s spreading Nikon’s resources rather thin and will likely take a long time to flesh out that line of native lenses.
Do you remember the thickness of the older film bodies? The present thickness doesn’t result from a large flange distance actually.
I understand that. But if it were to maintain native F-mount lens support, the minimum depth from mount to sensor would be 46.5mm. Add to that the body thickness and LCD thickness. Meaning you can reduce the thickness to a minimum but you’re still stuck with the flange back distance as a fixed parameter. So mirrorless will always be thinner but can’t natively support F-mount lenses.
Why I _don’t_ want to be forced into exclusively mirrorless operation is because I expect that my camera can stay in my bag the entire day, turned “on” and if something happens, I want to be able to bring it out, track a moving object and capture a perfectly in-focus image in less than one second.
Then DF is probably not your choice. Remember the “clicking sound” in first teaser? You have to spend a lot of time for many clicks until your camery is ready.
In which instance can you imagine that I don’t set the aperture today?
That’ s the point I try to raise. This camera seems to have many unnecessary knods, thus making the setup more difficult. Once something happens and you want to capture it, you may miss it due to those knobs and many clicks. In comparison with D700, D800, both of them are much easier, faster in terms of control. To me, DF may be the example of design failure.
Why ? Are you so damn good looking that you have to mirror yourself all the time ?
Has someone got an idea about that number plate? I read SPI TWW.
Stunt Photographer Inside Tripod Will Wobble
Should Photography Imply The Word Waiting ????
What is the car?
Land Rover Defender 90 (or less likely, 110).
If I understand this camera right, then I will actually buy one to use with my old manual focus lenses, but I will still need a D4 if I want to do kids/sports photography and a D800E if I want to do landscape photography…
So it seems Nikon has found a way to sell people like you three expensive FX bodies.
Have to consider how this fits with the recommendation to invest in glass and not in camera bodies…
if this is Nikon’s plan to take all over the world then I’m all aboard ! Take my money !
Admin, how come you had the grab shot before the video was made public? The lens he is cleaning is a D lens, isn’t it?
Just doing my job yes, it was a D lens I believe.
some people describe the scrunched up focus points of the D600 as “cluttered”. but somehow I don’t think it’s what they meant with “no clutter”.
and the camera looks tiny, like the Fujifilm x-series, but then still more like the x20 than the x100. that can’t be right?
The sound of the new 50 F 1.8 when It is mounted on the DF, is a big polycarbonate (plasticy) AFS lens like sound!
I dont like it ; and It looks huge,the metal ring “a la” AIS is probably a gimmick!!
…and why this guy is cleaning his AFD lens near a fire when he could get a great picture of melted marshmallow ?
this teaser is just much a worrier.
This is stupid. screw this, buy a D610, Sony A7 orA7r.
Or a piano
Or give the money to charity
I can give people my bank acc n. if money is being distributed.
What is that bulbous mass on the top 3/4 of the image at 1:03 minutes in? I think it might be an FTn finder. There is a sort of amorphous white lump in the 3:0’clock position, it might be the mechanical brass aperture linkage, and you have to twist the lens in two directions to engage the meter when mounting. Oh that’s so cool, I would easily spend $5000 on this.
I am really hoping for a hot shoe accessory that slides over the shutter speed dial, or I’m not buying this. I’ve been telling Nikon for years I need this feature.
This is just like the FM2 which is my favorite camera ever even though I never had one. It’s obvious Nikon has a huge hit on its hands, and it’s stock is already up 75% in the last month. I saw on TV people are already camped outside BestBuy and BlackFriday is weeks away!!! I can’t wait until the next commercial for it, if only someone could put me to sleep right now and wake me up Tuesday night!!!!!
bad, that logo “Nikon” is look like that it is engraved in “Italic” style and not the old “Normal”- straight style…
FM3a had italic (slanted style)
The lens he is cleaning looks like a 24mm f2.8D AF, in any case is not the 50mm f1.8G AF-S he later on attach to the body.
That came to my mind, too. The first lens at 0:08 says “AF Nikkor”, it could also be the AF 50/1.4 D. The second lens at 0:18 must be new: It has a silver ring like the older 50mm Ai lenses, but electronic contacts, an A/M switch and that big white dot like the latest AF-S designs.
The FM3A was ¥100,000 (or around $1K) when it was released 12 years ago – and, by several accounts, Nikon didn’t make money on that body because it was so expensive to produce.
Anyway (assuming the build quality is similar and Nikon haven’t cut
corners), at retail prices, add say $500 to the cost of the FM3A for
inflation – plus another $1K for the cost of the sensor and other digital parts, as well as the development of the camera, marketing, etc. – and then some more to allow room for the inevitable discounting of any digital camera after a fairly short period, and you get a figure closer to that of the D800 than that of the D610.
If, as many people suggest, this is a niche camera – Nikon may not expect it to sell in huge numbers.The D4 sensor is also likely to be one of the more expensive FX sensors around since it will not be manufactured in anything like the quantities of the D600/D610 sensor. Neither of these factors supports the idea of a cheap price.
The Sony RX1 (with a good non interchangeable lens) was $2,800 at
launch, Fuji’s APS-C X-Pro 1 $1,700 for the body only, Olympus OMD-EM1 with only an m4/3 sensor $1,400 body only. If Nikon is going for a similar market as the one these cameras are aimed at, there is every reason to believe they will ask around $2,500 for this camera.
Of course if they see this as their entry level FX camera, it would
need to be priced below the D610 – but there is nothing in this “pure
photography” marketing, presumably linked to this camera, that indicates that.
My guess is for a $2.5K + price
Your logic’s sound. And why I get this feeling that if it is to live up to the expectations of a digital FM-type camera, the cost will be higher than expected.
I do hope for lower pricing but then something’s got to give.
Build, AF, features, OVF/mirrorbox etc.
What are people willing to give up for a lower price?
Why not make a cheap version in a (at least partly) plastic body and the D600 AF system and a premium version in a metal body with the D4 AF system?
If they plan something like that, they will likely launch an expensive version first – as Fuji did with the X-Pro -> X-E -> X-M1 -> X-A1
Nikon didn’t make money from FM3A? The only expensive part is the hybrid shutter, the rest of the body is pretty much the same as the FM2. And it was not $1000, about half if my memory is right as that’s about what I paid for.
I think I paid less than $400 for my FM2 in the first half of the 1980s.
The Japanese launch price of the FM3a was ¥99,999/-
A later US list price $820 for the chrome body. On Google I found a couple of examples of the camera selling for as high as $2,500 (!!!) only about a year after it was discontinued. KEH currently lists an EX+ black body at $546 (more than double the price of an FM2) and prices on ebay can sometimes still get over $850
The FM3a used better materials then the FM2n and there are quite a number other differences besides the shutter. At the time it was available, many chose to buy a second hand FM2 instead because, with people switching to digital there were many good copies of that camera available.at a very good price. .
In 2.5K range, that will be a mistake. Nikon will lose huge market share to Sony. I for one prefer A7 ($1698) and superb Zeiss 50/1.8 or 35/1.2. Now, A7/A7r is ranked 1st in Amazon camera ranking.
A7 does not have an F mount, does not have a Nikon Logo and does not look like a Nikon film camera – so it will not appeal as much to those missing their old F/FM/FE/FA series cameras
Unfortunately, most people don’t think like you.
I don’t think like that – but I do suspect that may be the market Nikon are aiming at.
I’m sure the Sony A7 cameras are superb but I would question how many Nikon owners would want to mount their Nikon lenses on a Sony camera with an adapter. You’ll need to use stop down metering and with G lenses an adapter that has an aperture control – and those lenses are not really designed for manual focusing.
There is a much better adapter for Canon EF lenses – so Canon have more to worry about than Nikon – particularly as they don’t have cameras with the 24mp or 36mp Sony sensors.
but I am sure Canon/Nikon will come up with identical something very similar to the Alpha7R with more matured AF and better mount design very soon.
well, in fact, he is right.
as a Sony/Nikon user , I know you can never trust Sony as a “system” camera company.
and , the new line of FAKE Zeiss primes are not really good.
in fact, I am confirmed it is almost impossible to design a decent FX lens for the E mount(the mount diameter is too narrow).
but Sony makes a good compact camera such as the RX-1R and RX100mk2.
I think you are probably about right with the price. I was hoping for something more in the range of the new Sony FF, but I know Nikon, and I am pretty sure you are going to be right about the price.
Agree. I hope it has at least D800 level of quality and water resistance.
Someone comments about the DF being small, that’s probably due to the purposely masked out pentaprism. If the leaked spec’s are to be believed, the DF is larger than the Fuji X-Pro and close to the D610.
Yeah, I’m confused why some people still believe that DF is “small”.
It will look and feel small for one single reason: thickness. Actually, if you take a D610 and reduce its thickness, it’s look much smaller. The older film cameras were not much smaller than the D610, maybe a bit shorter, but not re width.
compared it to my D800E or D800 , it must be a much much smaller body.
I am guessing it is kind like a Nikon version of Pentax LX digital
I wonder why every video lasts 34 seconds.
Or 1980, depending on when this wil be available: Nikon F3.- Or just a 3 and a 4 side by side
They have to pay extra if its over 35 seconds.
Or someone forgot the larger memory cards.
No, that’s how long this camera can shoot video 😉
Ah, 2 seconds fade in and out and 30 seconds of video. Got it.
Strange lens by the way. My 50mm f1.4G doesn’t have text on the front. This makes me a littlebit wary that it’s a Nikon A mount or what’sit called.
First he’s cleaning an AF-D lens, then he screws on something completely different (with a silver ring?) that looks like a lensbaby and then you see a AF-S 50mm 1.4 G with letters on the front. What is this??
it cannot be the 50f1.4G AF-S, it looks much much smaller than my AF-S50mm f1.4G lens, in fact, it looks even smaller than the f1.8G.
Just look at the second photo dude…
It’s indeed a 50mm 1.4 G but it is different than the one on my D700 so it must be a Nikkor 1 type of thing?
A guy sits at night by a bonfire and cleans his sensor… no, he blows his lens, and looks dreamy into nirvana. Then suddenly the noise of birds wings – he looks alerted, mounts his ancient 35-50mm lens on the body and shoots… the birds…in the night.
It is so ridiculous, that I can´t get over it. So what will this new camera be, when it´s best suited for nighttime wildlife and nature photography? No clutter… fully manual, high iso, manual sensor cleaning^^ Hope it´s better than the campaign.
Didnt you see? He was shooting you, when you were laughing.
So, my face will hang on his wall, when he blows his lens again… with his hands. (makes my day/month/year^^)
I agree that this lonely man in the wilderness theme is really boring. If the talk is right, such a camerea would be better suited to shoot street, candids, reportage, documentary, not birds in the night (who does that, except the nature freaks with 800mm lenses?).
The 5th Video is this guy in Iraq with bullets coming down range, but him looking super content cause he has his NIKON DF….
Pure Photography : pure BullS##t !
Everything with that slow “developing” camera looks like kind of bad taste to me. Very naïve marketing, to say softly, very softly…
50mm VR?? If you look when he mounts the new lens, you can see the [A/M – M] switch, and it looks like another one beneath it. VR?
Ok, after some more Redbull and coffee, my brain told me this:
What if Nikon is NOT actually trying to make a profit on this camera. Think about it. Nikon seems to be determined to steer the good ship Nikon on the “FF for everybody” course. If this camera turns out to be an object to be lusted after at an irresistable price point, I dare say between the D7100 and D610.. Then…
-How many DX users would see this as a cool, cheap way to jump into FF? Get to use all their old Nikkors again as intended…. Still keep their DX body for fast/auto work. But dip a nostalgic toe back into the FF world as well?
-New customers who just want the latest in retro-cool.
The real money/profit will come from the extra FF lenses they are going to sell. Suuuuure, you promise yourself you’re only going to use old MF nikkors. That’s how you justify this purchase to yoursefl. But damn that 85/1.8G is very reasonable and very sharp… and the body was $1200 cheaper than you feared so… And so it begins.
It wouldn’t actually surprise me if Nikon actually this at around $1600-1800 launch price purely to quickly expand their FF customer base.The same way supermarkets sell crates of beer below cost price to get you to come to the store, because you always end up buying more “because the beer was so cheap anyway”
Step 1: Creat hype
Step 2: Float rumours about $3K price range
Step 3: Launch at $1800 and it’ll be sold out for months to come.
Step 4: Smile.
That’s what Ruthy would do. A quick loss now in return for steady long term profit.
Aaaaand what if this silver ring on the new AF-S 50/1.8G is actually an “Aperture-by-wire” ring. Not a physical aperture ring, but by twisiting left/right you can open or close the aperture?
Quick twist for up/down 1/2 or 1/3 stop, hold to ‘scroll’ up or down.
Seems a more feasible solution?
That’s what I’m thinking too, Ruth. And if you don’t have one of the new lenses with the electronic click aperture, you use the dial at the top left. (our left)
Doubt it, but well, who knows at this point? Each video shows a little more, I want to see where is the front dial, the one used typically for aperture. I just hope N does not make the mistake of having just one dial on this camera, I’m out in that case.
Nikon isn’t Sony and Sony’s Playstation 3 tactic where they lost money for years on the hardware hoping to recoop on software. We’re talking Nikon where they were in the Guinness Book of World Records for the most expensive camera system available.
Awesome. It DOES look small. And if so, this is how you compete with the new Sony full-frame mirrorless and Micro Four Thirds without reinventing the wheel and starting from scratch with an entirely new line of lenses. If they can make a camera as small as my old Nikon FG, I don’t care if it’s mirrorless or not.
How do you define “small”? In terms of dimension, DF is bigger than Fuji X-PRO1.
Hmm, c’mon, Fuji? Older film cameras were at least 140mm wide, to make then useful with all types of lenses, Nikon has experience on that, they won’t make a miniature FF camera. The new Soys won’t be easy to use even witha mid range fast tele.
X-Pro1 is the right size, it’s slightly bigger than Leica M6. In my opinion M6 is ideal size for me. Shame they can’t make M like M6.
If I need more grip on my X-Pro1 (for example for longer Nikkor glass) I attach L-bracket on with built-in grip – problem solved.
it is neither mirrorless design nor hybrid video capable pro body, so I do not see many people actually buying it.
I want a fully professional level true hybrid mirrorless from a trusted manufacture like Nikon, Leica , Canon or Fuji, not from Sony or Olympus, who seem to be interested in designing many many experimental toy-like cameras.
still though, I may get the A7R for testing but not use it fro serious works because I already knew the narrow-ish mount diameter of the E mount cannot fully utilize the 35mm FF sensor.
so the Alpha 7 is as a system camera already proven to be a fail.
Not a fan of m43 but i would call E-M1 a toy, it’s built like D4 and is as fast as D4 too. Sony, I believe, is still trying to find itself on the market. Excellent tech but to me it looks like camera division doesn’t really talk often with lens division.
evolution of the previous mockup, quick and dirty :))))
It seems these commercials are basically content-free. They progressively reveal more and more non-information with every release. They are trying to tease and titillate while revealing nothing much.
Which gives every impression of frantically designing a product as they go along. And freeze the market from other purchases (viz. Sony) while trying to gauge possible consumer interest as they finalize product design.
Unfortunately, if they thought Nikon Rumors would give viable feedback, all they did was confuse themselves even more. Because basically we all want everything and nothing, but we don’t want to pay for it.
You heard us, Nikon. Now give it to us!
Are you kidding? If they are about to release it it has been on the road under testing and under production for at least 6 months. Thom has reported on such a camera being developed for years now.
Agree, no way to influence it now. We just get what we get and then we can decide if we want to buy it or not. As simple as that.
But if I could influence Nikon I would ask them to build a premium camera looking exactly like a FM3A with the AF system, frame rate and sensor from the D4.
Me too. If they screw it up by making it too entry level, at least they can just make a premium version of the same camera. Same D4 sensor, D4 AF, better build. Don’t get me wrong, I like a lower price as much as the next guy but if they push the price too entry level then the product will reflect it. Whilst I’d be ok with the D610 AF module, many seem to detest it so maybe an entry and premium model of the same camera will make sense.
I just hope it’s got a shutter speed dial and aperture on the lens, then i’ll be interested. if it has normal PASM then it’s a no go for me – been repeating myself lately 😉
The shutter dial could have P(rogram)-A(perture prio)-8000-4000-2000-1000-500 ….etc. That would more than enough!
Maybe a dedicated ISO dial with exposure compensation on it. mmmh, gorgeous.
We already know it has two fn-buttons on the front. That’s just what I wanted to see, so let’s hope they keep revealing good design choices! I really hope there will be a dedicated AF-On button for the right tumb. Or atleast a programable AE-lock button like on D600.
If you want to use the aperture ring on the lens, there are plenty of F,Ai,Ai-S,AF and AF-D lenses out there! But obviously, it’s going to be geared towards “G” lenses as well – otherwise they would hurt their own lens sales!
aperture ring, shutter speed dial, exposure compensation dial and ISO via Fn button would be enough – apart from shutter release button you do not need anything else to make exposure, the rest is BS
I do manual exposure all the time and I actually prefer to adjust the shutter speed with a rear thumb wheel. It is the setting I change the most by far and a dial on top would just slow you down unless it is ‘flick-able’ with your right thumb. Left hand is too busy with focusing and aperture ring. Ideally I’d want to make quick SS changes without removing my eye from the VF.
An ISO dial is fine cause that doesn’t get changed a whole lot.
in these modern cameras I prefer to set ISO to lowest setting and in mixed light I prefer to use Auto ISO (3200/6400) and then just aperture and shutter speed. I don’t change SS that often, depends on the subject, usually stick to double of FL to keep it reasonably sharp. But yes, full manual too here. The reason I prefer SS dial on top is to see my current setting w/o the need to turn camera on and I often preset everything based on the current conditions/subject and then just shoot.
Yeah me too. I still can’t believe Sony included a pasm dial on the A7r….
I saw it coming – they cooperate with Zeiss and the only Zeiss designed lens that features aperture ring (for mirror less) is the one on RX1. Tuoits for NEX don’t have aperture rings either, only Fuji versions.
This is Dumb,just wait till the crap comes out what’s with all the silly games .Nikon is loosing grip on reality,sneak peak on camera that’s just plain silly
D4 = I AM PUSING THE LIMITS
D800 = I AM A BIG PICTURE
DF = ????
DF = I am a photographer
DF = I AM FOR YOUR OLD GLASS
I AM PURE
I AM MINIMALIST.
I am what I am? – as tuff as Popeye
I AM EXPECTED……TOO MUCH.
The camera looks really small on that dark image.. I mean REALLY small.. As someone mentioned in the comments, in the size of the FG.. The size numbers in earlier rumor dont add up.. But, jag håller tummarna!
But when he holds the lens in his hand to mount it, it looks big to me. Unless he has tiny hands. I feel like this will end up being larger than the Sony.
it will be larger than sony. don’t forget, sony is mirrorless this new model from nikon won’t be and even if it is it will have F mount so the flange distance is different 😉 not a bad thing though as I found NEX7 small to hold and this A7 isn’t much larger.
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but when you pause the 3rd video at the 0:18 mark, you can see the swtich allowing for both manual and manual/auto for the G type 50mm lens. Just another observation….
Front looks like a smaller version of F4 with the grip like F3. Hopefully DF comes with dedicated shutter speed and ISO dials. Please no PASM!
Easy on the expectations people. For all we know, this is going to be a mirrorless camera, with fake shutter cock and mirror lock up sounds, focus-by-wire, no viewfinder (optical or electronic), new mount, APS-C sensor, scene mode dial on top, movie button right next to shutter release to be frequently hit by accident, built-in flash, no AF motor… all in a retro shell for the suckers.
well . lets keep it simple. this is how the df will look like.. plus a slight increase in hight and depth http://www.flickr.com/photos/arcticcorsair/1755522827/in/pool-1722676@N25/
plus – pentax will release one in 2014 right after the k2 announcement. which will be coming in a time when nikon brings the new cool pix to the market.. one with a 50mm eq and one with a 24mm eq.
in the end
small + video ? get the sony a
medium sized ? get the nikon
best photo tool ? get the pentax.
I don’t remember this much excitement at nikonrumors since the D4 and D800 leaks.
They seem to be keeping a very tight lid on this “retro” camera (I hate that word, lol) I am hearing that many of the details ie button design, texture,dials etc are very much like the P7100.
Having previously owned a FM2 I’d love a digital version of that, but I fear this isn’t going to be it. This is Nikon trying to prevent it’s loyal users from dumping their dslrs in favour of smaller, lighter cameras like the Olympus E-M1.
I think Peter’s (Admin) right as far as price is concerned…but the materials used may reflect that.
Nikon has left it late as usual, time will tell if it’s too late…at least it’s got us all talking.
Broxibear, good to have you back
Thought I’d pop in and say “Hi”, I can’t access my last email account so I’ve got this one if you need to get me…If I hear anything about this camera before you do I’ll give you a shout. It’s all pretty quiet.
Yeah, very P7100 looking.
My guess is that the front dial is going to control the aperture (again, just like the P7100). Maybe we’re basically looking at a slightly more refined and simplified P7100 with full frame and F-mount. In some ways, I’m already disappointed.
Oh yeah, and as for “uncluttered”? There are already more bits on the front that the D610! Let’s face it, Nikon hasn’t designed a decent, minimalistic camera for a long, long time. I fear that nothing will have changed.
Never looked at or considered a P7100, but well I could live with that, although it looks more like a FM10 than a FM3A.
Wow, good to hear from you again broxibear.
Thanks PeterO…I’ll try and dig up some information about this DF if I can. People have been asking for a digital FM2 for years…maybe people are expecting too much ?
How about this – the Pentaprism is removable ( from the screen grab) and the pentaprism contains the sensor. That would be cool.
There would be no other reason for a removable pentaprism.
slight misalignment in the mirror and you’d have problems
If the prism was removable, which I don’t think it is, then it would be used to change from optical to digital. You could also have a waist-level finder too. With a moveable LCD in the back, though, it’s a little redundant.
It looks like it has a P7100 style front control dial (not my favorite thing). But the size and shape look nice.
just looked at the P7100 (sorry never looked at it before) and it does indeed look similar – does it also produce similar. hmm…confused now a bit
Actually I couldn’t remember which camera had that funky dial and had to look it up. But it is a bit odd-looking.
yes it is. but the picture of the front of P7100 on DPreview features dial which looks identically to this one. let’s hope that it isn’t the aperture dial
Contax G cameras had that dial and grip seems similar.
Nikon DF size.
I’m guessing this has been done already, but I can’t find it anywhere…
The size of the 50 1.8 will probably be similar to the current AF-S G version, no? if so, we know the filter thread is 58mm, meaning we can quite simply calculate the other dimensions. If my assumptions are correct, the width of the DF is only 122mm. That seems very small! the F3 is 148mm, the FM/FE series cameras are 142mm wide, and the D700 is 147mm wide.
The D3200, on the other hand, is 125mm wide, so that’s pretty similar within the margins of error of my calculations!
One major caveat with this calculation is if the picture we’re looking at of the DF + lens is a very wide angle shot. i.e. that the size of the lens in the foreground is exagerated in relation to the camera body in the background.
That’s about the size of my Fuji X-E1 – I think I’ll rather go with the “wide angle shot” theory and hope for at least around 140mm…
Yes, that would be ideal, I guess. But I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve seen the full specs and held it in my hands.
Thank you for your effort. It makes sense to me. I do hope your calculation is precise.
How will he use his 52mm filters then?
hehe. You mean the ones he’s got saved from the glory days of old? I’m guessing there will be a step-down ring accessory (€ 299) that allows you to use your old filters, PLUS a nice lomography-esque vignetting!
God this is looking promising.
I’m still distressed that the lens they’re letting us see is a “G” series. Maybe that’s part of the tease, you know, get to think about that, then surprise them by introducing it with the ability to use the aperture ring on lenses that have one.
Oh… I didn’t know I can include images in comments. So I write again this comment:
Here is better image: http://dicahub.com/2013/10/28/nikon-pure-photography-video-3-and-overlaid-body-shape
Interchangeable prism….this baby is going to be pricey
Aha, THAT’S IT, HYBRID….! Choose old style pentaprism and use the conventional mirror box OR change ‘prism’ for EVF module and lock up the mirror so it functions as a mirrorless camera with all benefits that come with that of high frame rate etc.
THAT’S why F3 came up as the design cue, interchangeable finders……
the 16.2mp FX is not an Aptina or a Sony , it is a Nikon designed Renasus produced sensor.
Is that good or bad? Never heard of Renasus before.
I suppose the D4 sensor has quite good reputation. The remaining question is – will the 16mp sensor in the DF be the same as the D4 sensor…
Is this the new lens? It definitely isn’t the lens he was cleaning. The silver ring is the same as in Video #2. Seven contacts visible.
What’s that behind his right thumb? Looks like on/off markings on the grip?
Isn’t that the “Nikon” on the front of the pentaprism housing? If he is indexing the lens to the whit mark in front of his left index finger, that should be where the front of the pentaprism is.
You get the sense, even in this fleeting pixelated few frames, that the lens is plasticky. Shame.
Really? I think the lens in this screen cap (if it is the new lens) looks pretty solid . It has the older style focus ring grip material, and that metal ring that looks like the ring that separates the aperture and focus ring on an AiS lens. I think this must be the new lens, since it also has a modern switch panel on it. Are there any AF lenses or later that have this combination of physical features?
I think this will end up looking a lot like an F3 with an FM prism. Also, note the PC socket on the front.
By combining all the frames of the last part of the video, i could get a better image, since the light is moving, showing more than a single frame would…
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