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The upcoming Nikon retro full frame camera will not have video, possible announcement on November 6th

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Image credit: Mariusz Jeglinski

A quick update: the upcoming retro-designed full frame Nikon camera will not have any video recording capabilities. Here are the updated rumored specifications:

  • Nikon FM2 like design
  • 16.2MP 36x23,9 full frame sensor (same as in the D4?)
  • SD memory card
  • 2016-pixel RGB image sensor
  • 9-cell framing grid display
  • 3D color matrix metering II
  • Native ISO range: 100-12,800 (incl. ISO 50 and ISO 102,400)
  • 5.5 fps for up to 100 shots
  • 3.2" LCD screen
  • Battery:EN-EL14
  • Dimensions: 143.5 x 110 x 66.5mm
  • Weight: 765g
  • It will come with a new AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens (again, not clear what mount the new lens will have)
  • Standard F-mount
  • No video recording capabilities
  • Pentaprism viewfinder (meaning the camera will not be mirrorless)
  • The camera will meter even with non-AI lenses down to full aperture
  • The camera will ship with a new special edition Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens to match the look/design of the body
  • The camera will have physical controls and excellent build quality (which explains the 765g weight)
  • Expeed 3 processor
  • Same sensor as in the Nikon D4
  • Nikon calls it a "hybrid" camera - not sure what exactly they mean with that
  • The announcement will be during the first week of November

Nikon-announcement
Another interesting bit of information: the German store Dinkel Foto will have a "world premiere" on November 6th from 10am - 6pm. I am not aware of any other major announcement coming from other manufacturers, so this could very well be for the new Nikon camera.

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  • Jet

    Yes!! “Breaking Good!” Finally!! and the best part NO VIDEO! that means they sat down and made a camera just for photographers! and this may be extreme for some of you, but waht if they did’nt put an LCD screen either? :-)

    • anxiously_waiting

      That would be a stretch of the ‘retry-style’ concept, but it would still tempt me…

      But in honesty, no LCD at all is a bit too hard to do properly for digital cameras; there are many things to be set that can’t get their own control.

    • stormwatch

      Can you explain me please how can a video option in a modern DSLR be bad for the stills section? We’re not anywhwere near the times of tape transport systems, and that what’s you said is just based on the severe lack of any logical fundament.

      • Ryan

        Please read. There are lots of comments and discussion about video below. People have different needs. You are not the center of universe

        • stormwatch

          Yes, those who speaks about how good is the lack of video, don’t have a single clue what is the date outside of their retro apartements.

          • mikeswitz

            don’t understand. do they have a differnt date inside their apartments?

            • stormwatch

              They certainly have different dates in their minds.

      • Jet

        I didn’t say it was bad, video is just an option I do not use or need. My logic is simply that I don’t need it. I make 100% percent of my income from photography not video. I already have 3 bodies to include a medium format. When a client has a budget for video, they hire a video guy. The last campaign I shot the video guy showed up with a video camera not an HDSLR.

        • Frank

          Exactly. One certainly hopes that every penny spent on the cam is worth-while. Including video costs money, believe me.

  • ereshoping

    I just hope…….. a lot of people won’t be disappointed.

  • Nathan

    Ummmm I think I’m pretty sure what “hybrid’ is. Let’s take a look at these links.

    http://nikonrumors.com/2013/01/12/nikons-patent-for-a-hybrid-viewfinder-ovf-evf.aspx/

    http://nikonrumors.com/2011/03/17/nikon-files-patents-for-hybrid-viewfinder.aspx/

    However, I still don’t understand which benefits we can obtain from it.

    • http://gplimages.com/ TheFantasticG

      Very interesting if that’s what it means, but I agree as to what benefits would be gained from that on this type of camera.

    • Scott

      If it has a nice EVF you could conceivably do some cool stuff.

      Use focus peaking for old manual focus lenses while leaving the OVF nice and clear of obstructions like a split finder for auto focus lenses.

      Run your picture control or special effects (whoever actually uses them LOL) through the viewfinder while shooting. The best example would be viewing the world in black and white through the viewfinder while shooting. I already do this with live view occasionally, through the viewfinder would be awesome.

      Review your images in the viewfinder thereby avoiding glare on your rear screen and being able to see in bright environments without an external hood. I guess you’d have less people trying to look over your shoulder at your images as you viewed them and less accusations of “chimping” as well LOL

      Zooming in on the action while using a crop factor so you can see what you’re going to be capturing rather then just displaying a frame around the area.

      I have no idea how feasible or realistic any of these ideas are but it’s stuff I’ve seen tossed around and personally I like every single one of them! :D

  • James

    Not mirrorless…no video…nothing new… it’s just an overpriced step backwards.
    Sony A7R is going to be cheaper and better. Not much lenses tho… But then again I just need 2 f1.4 primes. They’ll get them in the next year.

    • Rogers

      As far as I’ve followed Sonyrumors, I always see negative comments about using non-native lens with adapter on A7r. Raw files are relatively soft, not impressive at all.

      It seems that body was optimzed for native FE lens. 35/f2.8 is about 800USD. 50/f1.8 FE is about 1000USD. I cannot imagine how much it would be for f1.4. Is it overpriced? Only you can tell.

      Have fun!

    • Mike

      You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s just a rumored camera with no mention of price. How the f can you make a comment like that?

  • Crackity Jones

    Some folks are bashing this camera for putting style over substance — for being “retro” for retro’s sake. But retro is not just a visual style. Some of us prefer to shoot cameras with more hard-labeled buttons and dials than are typical these days. I still miss my F4s — I found its controls intuitive and fast. My D700 is pretty decent along those lines, but isn’t quite there. I’d like a body that has modern innards but F4s-style controls — not for style but for usability.

    • Mars Observer

      Good point. I definitely prefer dials compared to push-button-command wheel operation. But I also like having the ability to capture a little bit of video. So I’m torn.

  • TheFantasticG

    Is it going to have the 51 pt AF of the D7100 or D4??? If it does, I’m sold even if it doesn’t have GPS…

  • Foot of our stairs

    Not sure Nikon can do this, expect another 1 series engineered and marketed as not to disrupt the SLR business, not something that will signpost a move away from the tried and tested SLR architecture.

  • 8811Designs

    Thank God it’s retro and NO Friggin video. A purist design. I love my D2 but nothing’s really spun my head around as far as upgrading. With lenses getting better and the bulk of my photography sitting ISO 200-800, I’d rather have something closer to my youth than these tech hungry gizmo-gadgeteers looking for everything in an all-in-one.

    • Scott

      Damn what are you shooting that you never leave the 200-800 ISO window?

      I’m up at 1000-2000 all the freaking time. And love it! :D

      With fast glass too!

      • robert

        I even shoot outdoors at 1000+ when I want speed.

        but he said d2. d2h, d2x? both sucked past 640iso so I can udnerstand. but a FF camera is a different level.

  • T-Rex

    As a photographer for some 40 years now, let me just say – There are indeed some advantages and disadvantages of both analog and digital photography. And we can mix and match the advantages of both and continue dreaming of our choice of ultimate camera. But one thing remains in both worlds. The more options you have, the more problems. “Too many buttons” have also been the downside of so many other electronic gadgets. Take Marantz for instance. Less nobs, dials and gadgets…. More quality in what they were constructed for. Namely to work without issues. So end of story… If you have the money and want real quality…. Buy the SLR and video camera separately. Just as you would with multifunction printers. They too are OK if you want mediocre scans, copies and photo-prints. If you want quality….. Buy them separate!

  • Hans

    620 post up to now!!!!

    Nikon, are you listening?????

    If Nikon puts it right, this will be a huuuuuuge success!!!

    • Orisch

      Yes, it’s gonna hit 700 comments soon. Hopefully this thing won’t become disappointing when the final camera is revealed.
      Really hope so.

  • Frank

    This is a camera that I have always been dreaming of. “No video” makes it even more desirable – I have D3S but I never used it to shoot video, so what’s the point in paying more for what I don’t really want? As for pricing, anywhere below $2500 (body) would be a nice surprise.

    • robert

      why is an old retro, all mechanical camera more desirable than for instance, even a d600/d620 (oil/dust on shutter problem aside) for less than $2000? doesnt seem like a great deal to me at $2500.

      • Frank

        It won’t be all mechanical. It will be a fully automatic camera with mechanical options. I’m quite sure the body has been reengineered and don’t expect oil/dust problems.

    • Yirmin

      No video is fine as long as they cut the price accordingly. But it appears they are going to charge a premium price for a product that is missing expensive add-ons. Maybe they think there are enough idiots in the world to make it a profitable venture. I see it as a fail.

      If they wanted to go down this road why bother developing a camera at all, just come up with a sensor attached to a 35mm film cannister with a micro SD slot. Let people drop it into any existing film camera and have a ball… But to try and go backwards in technology and still charge a high price is stupid.

  • xt

    642 comments in one day.. this is hotter than D800 and D4

  • bertbopper

    If they ditch the LCD screen, I buy one.

    • robert

      no video, I can understand, but no screen. thats just ridiculous. next your gonna tell me no viewfinder..

      • Scott

        Dude, no meter either! Lets really go back!

        :D

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          glass plate wet collodion digital!

    • Frank

      digital cam without screen? better go back to plate camera…

      • FlightlessKakapo

        Why not. Film camera didn’t have a screen. Nowadays they can add a phone app+bluetooth/wifi for those who really want to preview the image. FYI, action cameras (e.g. GoPro) don’t have screen.

    • vkphoto

      100% agree. Just make the camera raw only + add battery/memory card compartment and micro usb to set the camera initial date/time. May be tine LED display at the back to show battery status and the frame count.
      Once I set my camera at the beginning and I don’t use LCD again.

      • stormwatch

        And maybe Nikon can forget all the stuff about digital, who needs that in 2013? Why bother with bits when nobody made a camera for Photo Litography…maybe there is a huge PRO market for those…

  • Ducky

    seem a proof read is inorder anyone that doesnt know a slr nikonwill alway have an Fmount is crazed. these specs seem strange a full frame sensor thats lower mp then a crop? why? im all for retro in fact if they put all the goodies on the back plate ill just use my F! that would make for a truly cheap camera. but no video? Nikon has been lagging behide cannon for years with respect to inovation. i think they need to push harder Nikon has some of the best lens in the field! the fact that their slrs have never changed the mount means i can use any nikon len in my D5100. that makes len options staggering. but they need to push forward record video in 240 fps! hell record at 4k quality! bring back the manual app ring and have a split ring focus on the focusing screen! but dont make a half ass retro intro camera.

  • TE

    Hope you full framers are happy. Where’s my D400?

  • Scott

    K so this is great and all but I want images. Some of you genius photoshopers start whipping up some potential designs for us showing your thoughts on optimum buttons and dials that you’d include in such a beast!

    :P

    Please? :D

  • aarif

    Please please please please please Nikon do NOT use the the D600 AF

    • http://gplimages.com/ TheFantasticG

      That is if it is going to have AF at all.

      • aarif

        no video no AF no nothing it will just gather Dust on shelves, when the rumor of a D610 came out every
        one was hoping for the 51 pts AF that they’ve put in a cheap 1,200$ cropped sensor D7100 , really it does not make sense to have the crossed types sensors clustered in the middle on a FF sensor

    • Micheal

      This digital FM2 utilizes metering system from D600, so I guess it will also use AF from D600 too.

      :(

  • Matthias

    “Hybrid” = Digital & Film ?

  • jackleeeen

    75% larger by volume and 60% heavier than Sony A7 (by the rumors) … if not for the collection of F-mount glasses versus using adapters for everything on A7, I really don’t know what the advantage of Nikon’s “response” is

    • kadajawi

      Having an optical viewfinder.

  • TNT

    No AF?

  • 103David

    Whew! Hope somebody over at Nikon is listening to this discourse.
    Hope somebody over at Canon-Fuji-Pentax-Whoever is listening to this discourse.
    Hope every maker is listening to this discourse.
    At this point, with commentary nearing a thousand, I’m hoping the dimwits in charge of concept and production are reading this. Or at least the ones that can read, are smart enough to ask someone what nearly a thousand comments may mean.

  • Bertrand

    You are all wrong!! If the digital FM2 don’t have video, the FE2 will have!! –>It’s a joke, don’t hit ;-)

  • MXP

    Could be interesting with just a hinged digital back for the FM2/FE2/FM3A and for the F3. All I would need was to set the ISO and a slot for a SD memory card. It should just store the images in NEF. Then I could take pictures like the old days on film. No screen needed. Then the battery could be relative small with a long life before recharge. A kind of intelligent on/off switch…..so you don’t take “empty” images. Probably a kind of “feedback” for every picture needed so you are sure the image is in the “box”. When a new/better chip is available it would be nice if just the chip module could be changed so save cost. Maybe different chip modules option wold be nice. What about a super light sensitive 6 MP module? ….what would be possible with todays technology? ISO 6400 with no noise?

    • kadajawi

      Leave away the screen on the back of the camera, but put one into the viewfinder, with a way to black out the mirror for review. When shooting in LV mode the viewfinder would be black anyway, leaving only the screen.
      That way they can make the camera thinner without sacrificing the ability to review. Also, if it could do video, it’d be great to have an external (optional) screen that can be attached, or a bigger one (at least FHD resolution) that is connected via flexible cable or wirelessly.
      A 6 MP sensor might not make much sense anymore, since the gaps between the actual light collecting pixels will probably have been minimalized. There is probably litle loss of light due to having more pixels.

  • mps

    no video is quite a bummer – i dont get it why…

    nikon could so easily rule the (v)dslr market – just include 10bit 422 videofunction with some type of log! since they dont have any video cameras they cant canibalize their own system, and sony, canon and panasonic would be so much under pressure… would make tons of users from these systems switch to nikon.. well.. guess that means stay with canon to me….

  • Starfires

    Strange set of hardly marketable specs. Perhaps this camera is for the purists, but leaving out a modern 24mp sensor and video abilities seem to condemn it to niche status. Even the Leica M has video and 24mp!

    It’s not that I’d be using it for video, mind you and I can see how this might simplify the controls. Just why produce a camera with such deal-breakers… unless it was planned long ago?

  • Viking

    Hopefully, “hybrid” means it can be used in liveview with mirror lockup, so it can be totally quiet. I can live with not using the viewfinder in silent mode, but this is critical to me… That’s why I have the Fuji X10 in addition today

    • kadajawi

      They could have a transparent OLED screen in the viewfinder… they can light up by themselves, while being transparent when not used (you might lose a bit of light though…?). In normal SLR mode you get an overlay, but when you switch into LV the screen gets used to display the sensor output. Easy.
      Oh, and if you like silent… the Pentax K-5 is pretty quiet, at 7 fps. And the K-3 will be too, at 8 fps. Didn’t notice much difference to the X-Pro1 and similar cameras.

  • kaos42

    No worries guys, a version with video will come in less than a year :-) that will have a slightly different model name FM2V or something along the lines

  • droll

    i would rather buy a Fuji because their color rendition as well as the sensor is vastly superior.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      I have a Fuji X. While the colors are excellent, the cameras are dog slow compared to a SLR. Slow to start, slow to focus, slow.

      Nice camera, but I miss a lot of shots because it’s just not ready when I am.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        I had the same problem. A great image sensor isn’t worth a thing if you miss the shot.

  • Guest

    I wonder if this camera will drive AF-D lenses, considering it’s retro styling, I don’t imagine it will have a native AF drive motor.

  • Walter Hemming

    I want Digibacks for my FM2 and F(1)!! ;-)

  • Bob’s your Uncle

    First of all look at the range. From entry level DX to entry level FX everything is 24 MP. The D4 chip has been around for well over 18 months so maybe that in a retro styled camera makes sense. I think maybe an improvement on that in pixel count.

    A retro camera with an emphasis on manual controls is aimed at the Pro as an off duty camera. i.e.. Hardcore enthusiast. It’s about shooting stills. Video isn’t the priority. Nor is handling speed. Though many of us managed quite nicely long before auto anything..

    This is a for considered photography. The emphasis is on setting the aperture, shutter speed, focus yourself. It’s about the user being the boss not the preprogrammed chip. That will be included but it doesn’t come first. We already have everything for that.

    The pixel count will be sufficient for quite large prints on a gallery wall with the sensitivity to shoot that under quite varied conditions. It won’t be cheap. This is about integrity not sales.

    I want something outstanding. That’s on my wish list.

    Anything less than that won’t wash. I can buy a nice retro styled system from Fuji for the price of the 2 Nikon lenses I’ve budgeted for Christmas.

  • bo

    Ais lenses on this thing would put out great files. 55mm, 105 and 28, bet the ebay prices start going up…but…….wait a second—no focus peaking or mag. view in evf? wtf is the point ?? never mind.

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