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Nikon’s retro full frame camera coming in two weeks

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The new Nikon full frame retro-styled camera will most likely be available in two colors - all black and silver/black (a.k.a. as Panda version). I can now also confirm that the official announcement will be in two weeks (first week of November). I am surprised that Nikon will not be presenting the camera at the Photo Plus Expo that will take place this week in New York. If you are visiting the show, keep your eyes open - the new camera will most likely be shown to the press behind closed doors. You can also send me other interesting pictures from the different booths and new products at the show.

The upcoming camera was described to look more like the classic Nikon F3 instead of the FM2 - this means a more pronounced/bigger/sharper shaped pentaprism viewfinder:

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If anyone has more info on the new retro camera (price, pictures, etc.), you can contact me anonymously here.

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  • decisivemoment

    The F3 knockoff makes much more sense than the FM2; for one thing, the listed weight of the new camera is exactly the same as an F3, and for another the FM2′s viewfinder is miserably frustrating for glasses wearers while the F3 finder is a delight.

    But the F3 form factor makes it all the more inexplicable to me why Nikon is using the EN-EL14 battery. There is absolutely room in a digitalized F3 for something bigger, the EN-EL15 of other higher-end DSLRs, or the AA batteries that Nikon’s flashes use. Instead we get a battery shared by a bunch of Coolpix and low-end DSLR cameras.

    • ronin

      The F3 finder was a revolution that Nikon called “high eyepoint.” This really meant the image was smaller in the finder, so that you could see more of it at once.

      This was the opposite of what Olympus had been touting in its OM series, which had comparitively large image rendering, so that you could focus better and examine detail closer.

      • Read the FAQ

        Don’t forget that there were two finders available for the F3 body. The DE-3 finder was the “high eyepoint” and yes it had lesser magnification but better eye relief. The DE-2 finder had higher magnification and not as good eye relief. Both can be used on any F3 body (the body is identical it’s only the finders that are different.) So the choice for the HP was usually made by those needing better eye relief even though magnification wasn’t as high. The DE-3 was also preferred for using with underwater housings (for obvious reasons.)

  • Joseph Li

    wowaaa….truly exciting. A D700 replacement with a retro twist

    • ereshoping

      perhaps the new ipad 5 will go retro too :)

  • Erik

    Will it have the needle and the exposure times on the left in the viewfinder like in a FE2 or FM3A?
    Will it have interchangable sensors? BW sensor? Possibility to use film?
    Will it have have an optional HP finder like the F3HP?
    Will it have interchangable focus screens? Split screen option?

    • fjfjjj

      No, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes.

  • zerk

    no ibis = no buy
    no lightweight body = no buy
    no weather seal = no buy
    no white body = no buy
    no small lens = no buy

    • http://z7photo.com/ Csaba

      no sense = no post

    • Danny

      You must be fun!
      None of those are deal breakers.
      What you are saying is if it’s not loaded with gimmicks you don’t want a great basic photographers’ camera capable, rugged and nicely designed. Hmmm. You should look at Sony with their blunderbuss approach, throw every gimmick available at the wall and see what sticks. TriNav, Pericle mirrors, Ibis, OSS, DSLR, mirror less. Poor old Minolta. Why the only thing they haven’t done is made many great lenses and a full system. With a working flash…

      • Bamboojled

        Fantastic post!!!

    • BroncoBro

      must be a Republican…all no and no go.

      • Ronan

        LOL that made my day! :D

    • http://www.monsterbento.com/ Justin Jayubo

      Lol, all that no stuff, but under 20 megapixel is cool with you?

    • Erik

      IBIS would be nice, but I have a feeling it won’t have it. With the high iso performance of the D4 sensor you’ll just increase the iso value instead.

    • wf

      Zerk – no care

  • K

    Oh my… What a pointless thing.
    Nikon should waste less time with things like this and the 1 system and focus on something like the Sony A7.

    • Bamboojled

      Yes Nikon should focus on a camera system that has a small body and huge lenses, for the most part negating size advantage…

      Yes Nikon should focus on a camera system that has no introductory glass available, and the glass that will be available is significantly more expensive than Nikon or Canon’s offerings; and if you want to expand your lens selection, one has to purchase an adapter to use other manufacturers lenses…

      Make sense to me…

      • K

        Your view is completely flawed…

        *Exactly* because Nikon has a great selection of small, vintage, prime lenses, it would make sense for them to release a small, mirrorless, full-frame camera. Even *more* so than Sony.

        And while you’re here defending this pointless camera, Sony A7 users are enjoying Nikkor lens and virtually *every* lens they want.

        • Bamboojled

          My point exactly!!!!

          Thank you for your help in making it.

          Sony has had 3 new lens mounts in the past 5 years…
          They have thrown everything under the sun trying to make something stick and garner market share.
          (mirrorless, pellicle, EVF, Reflex)

          The biggest criticism for Alpha users, Nex users, APS-c, and now A7/r users is lack of lenses and lens depth, on top of that the price gauging that they have to endure for rebadged Tamron lenses (18-200, 18-270) and the redesigned Old Minolta lenses that cost more than the Canon or Nikon equivalents but offer far lower performance (70-200 2.8).

          Now you tell me, as if the is a badge of honor, that they can use other manufacturers lenses (with adaptor)…no, they are forced to use all these other lenses because Sony has no system depth.

          So what flawed thinking do I have???
          This camera according to initial reports, will be like the Nikon F3, and will take 50 years worth of lenses.
          I rather have this, that gives you a perfect balance between the larger new G lenses and the older AF-D than the Sony A7/r that looks terrible with the small body and huge lenses that have to be attached because of lack of system depth.

          • K

            …and *still* you’re missing the point.

            “Sony has had 3 new lens mounts in the past 5 years…”
            Not relevant.

            “The biggest criticism for Alpha users, Nex users, APS-c,”
            Not relevant.

            “I rather have this, that gives you a perfect balance between the larger new G lenses and the older AF-D than the Sony”
            Again, no! This is not the point!

            The point is having a small NIKON full-frame, mirrorless camera, with the base mount being Nikon F, obviously!! The fact that it is open to the whole other systems of lens is the bonus. A big bonus!

            “the Sony A7/r … looks terrible with the small body and huge lenses”
            And can you imagine a small FF body, with the wonderfull AI/AIS primes…? And with a good EVF, with focus peaking. It’s simply a dream for many people.

            “People buy into a system to buy into the SYSTEM.”


            They buy into the system because they *have* to. Again, it’s the whole point. Not anymore!

            And just to finish, do yourself a favor and don’t talk about “honor” in times like these. Really. Nikon simply lacks it.

        • Tan

          +1

          Sony aims a market by using a small and light weight of A7 and A7r to people who love to use legacy lens from many brands while bringing back a feeling of good old day shooting. I would say Sony is okay eventhough they don’t have much lens because many people already have their lens longer than a few years before A7 and A7r are available. These people have not much choice if they want to pair their long time heavy investment lens with body. Only A7 and A7r are interesting right now. Also slower AF speed is not a concern if people use manual lens. Sony is clever to use Strength of other brands including Nikon who has excellent and variety of lens choice to benefit Sony itself.

          • Bamboojled

            People buy into a system to buy into the SYSTEM.

            I have never seen so many Sony apologists that constantly make excuses for the shortcomings and lack of system depth as clever, or part of Sony’s plan.

            I read the Sony forum and am constantly amazed at how many folks have to use Sigma or Tamron lenses or their 20 year old Minolta lenses because Sony has no system depth.

            Then they speak of having to use other manufacturers lenses as a point of pride….

            Nikon and Canon shooters shoot these brands because of the high quality optics and overall system.

            Sony users shoot Sony because of what advantage?

            • Tan

              IMHO, this is just me. I do own some good lens from brands. Then, I just looking for the full frame camera which deliver performance of my lens. I can’t afford full frame Leica camera. I also can’t carry a camera, which has too much weight. So I am looking to Sony A7/A7r. I value good lens the mosts. Don’t care much for a camera because it comes and goes. Just any camera that not too expensive and good with my lens. This is just my opinion. : )

          • Read the FAQ

            But don’t forget that you have to use adapters to use other lenses. That might not sound like a problem, but it certainly can be a problem. Not all lenses are going to play well with the Sony. Native lenses are really always a better answer in the long run. And Sony will not have all the software solutions built into firmware to correct many of those lenses if any (think of WA lenses.) It’s going to be a bit of trial and error to use non-native lenses.

            • Tan

              I am definitely agree with you. The compatibility between lens and a body is my big concern now. I buy a body for deliver the highest performances of lenses. If the body can’t deliver this result. I will not buy Sony

      • Stephen

        “….and the glass that will be available is significantly more expensive than Nikon…”

        Sony’s zeiss glass, in fact, the best glass in the world. Only Leica is comparable with Zeiss. Each zeiss lens easily blows away Nikon lens regardless of the lens price.

        Given Leica’s lens cost, Zeiss is a steal, extremely cheap.

        • KnightPhoto

          I’m sure Zeiss glass is great. I’m also pretty sure the Nikon 85′s both beat the Zeiss (widely recognized). I also hear one of the Zeiss WAs is no great shakes, can’t remember if it’s the 25, 28 or what have you. So your “Each Zeiss…” statement is a tad bit over stated. Like Nikon, Zeiss has some category killers and some very good OKs.

        • Bamboojled

          Absolutely, categorically wrong…
          There are many great Zeiss lenses but to say that all of Zeiss lenses are better is completely absurd.
          As Knight Photo pointed out, there are many Nikon lenses that outright outperform Zeiss.
          This also brings to mind many of the new primes that Nikon has put out.
          Most of the Sony/Zeiss lenses do not outperform the Nikkors in side by side test comparisons.
          This is only something that Sony users have bought into so they don’t feel so bad when they are being raped.
          I guess the best question is if Sony is so great, why do they have to rely on Zeiss and Tamron(18-200,18-270) to manufacturer their lenses, and all the other lenses are just rebadged old Minolta designs like the new 70-200 2.8 that costs $3000 but performs worse than the Nikon or Canon equivalents.

        • Read the FAQ

          Some Zeiss lenses are better and some Nikon lenses are better. Same with Leica. It’s not an ‘across the board’ kind of thing. I own all three brands and there are stellar ones from each and some not that great from each. But I think the argument he is expressing is that Sony doesn’t have a full menu of lenses planned yet for the A7/A7R and so that can give people a valid reason to pause. And third party adapters aren’t going to be the answer. Not all non-native lenses are going to work perfectly with the flange distance of the Sony.

          Also don’t forget that fast wide aperture AF lenses have limitations in size. We may discover that those lenses are going to have to end up being fairly large on the small Sony (unlike MF Zeiss ZM and Leica M lenses.) We’ll have to see what happens and that won’t be until into next year or even later.

        • Dpablo unfiltered

          Given Leica/Zeiss’s lens cost, Nikon is a steal, extremely cheap. Sometimes, given Nikon’s lens cost, off brands are a steal, extremely cheap…

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      You could just go buy a Sony and waste less time with things like speculating what Nikon should do.

      • K

        Oh, and I’ll definitely will.
        In the future (I’m not in the market for a camera now), if Nikon doesn’t come up with anything like that, I’ll get something like the A7.

        Oh, and it’s *this* pointless thing that it’s a waste of time.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          Well, I AM in the market and this looks like a great addition to my gear. I dig retro style, but I want something that has auto features that work really well for what I need it for. I like the Fuji concept, but the reality wasn’t for me.

          See, the A7 is something I have absolutely no interest in. I like my flapping mirrors and fast AF. :)

          • K

            Fair enough and good for you, then. :)

            By the way, I also enjoy a flapping mirror and see the said mirrorless FF as an alternative camera.

    • Horange Cones

      Ohhh K.

  • Jon McGuffin

    Those hoping for a sub $2000 price on the body I fear are in for a big round of disappointment. They’re simply not going to cut the legs odd their newly released and now fine FF camera in the D610 by making a “better” camera cheaper.

    From what I’m reading around here, we better hope for more performance and more cost and have this camera more closely snag D800 sales away. Illogically, we’re probably looking at a $2,400-$2,600 camera body here and given the proposed spec, that price point seems reasonable and justified. A couple of thighs to really hope for:

    - ISO performance to match D4
    - AF performance to match D700/D7100

    If those two are part of the package, they’ll sell a ton at $2,500.

    • Hexagon Jr.

      Agree.

    • ronin

      Disagree. This is a niche item targeting a niche market. Those who make their living will need a more flexible axe. Those who grew up in the digital age will cringe at the beast. This is camera for fogeys old and young.

      The V1 series is mainstream and will be a much better seller than this. Especially if it’s priced above the new Sony full frames.

      • Muscles

        Digital SLRs and Mirrorless with all their bells and whistles, including video, are for gearhead geeks old and young. Nikon is on to something here, with a camera that is (hopefully) built for photographers. Like the Leica. Simple, straightforward, demanding knowledge of the medium, and craft to achieve a vision. It is high time. DSLRs have only gotten more and more complex and frustrating, not to mention heavy (especially the lenses). Why else are so many switching to Mirrorless cameras? It sure isn’t for their build quality or ease of use… it is for their compact size and lighter weight. Period. If Nikon can replicate that with a modern SLR based on the great film cameras of only a decade ago, there may be hope after all.

        • mikeswitz

          You may be correct in saying that people are going to mirrorless cameras simply for their compact size and lighter weight but those qualities would be useless if the IQ is not at least as good as the best aps-c DSLRs. I own an X Pro1. It is light, compact, and with all the Fuji primes produces wonderfully high IQ. The biggest negatives are its kind of slow and continuos focus can be a bit problematic. But is was clearly created for photographers in the hopes of stealing a little thunder from Leica. Without many of the same qualities many of the new mirror less cameras wouldn’t be selling as well as they are. Which, of course, takes takes nothing away from the excitement of this new Nikon camera.

        • Cinekpol

          o_O DSLRs have gotten more and more heavy? You do realize that every since Nikon D1 weight of DSLRs constantly goes down? New Canon 100D is lighter than few mirrorless cameras!
          And lenses got heavier because… well… quality == weight. New 58 f/1.4 is a perfect example of that. I don’t see anything wrong in having higher quality lenses.

          Just compare DSLR glass with professional video lenses – suddenly you’ll find DSLR lenses to be very light and tiny! While at the same time they support optical viewfinders and autofocus, something PL-mount lenses don’t! ;) Deal of a year! :D

    • 103David

      Those are not the thighs I had in mind.
      Thanks for the straight line.

  • Terry Clark

    Personally, if it’s going to be a retro body then let it be truly retro and make it no frames per second — add an advance lever and let the photographer cock the shutter the old fashion way. Of course you could always add on a motor drive, but it would be nice to use my thumb again :o)

    Oh, and for the Love of GOD, clear up the horrible dust issue of the D600! Some may think that’s beating a dead horse, but as one who purchased that POS horse just a few weeks ago, that nag can’t be dead enough.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      no frames per second! haha! I like that.

    • Lips

      Clean your sensor, please.

    • Hans

      +1
      just a D610 in a retro body makes no sense, I don’t get it…..

    • Rabblerouser

      I spoke personally today with Nikon Repair, and according to them, the D600 dust issue does NOT exist. Just careless operators. I bought a refurbed D600 and have had no dust issues, and I am a landscape photog who spends a lot of time on dusty backroads. It is all about technique, like keeping your camera brushed off, and taking care how and where you change lenses.

  • saywhatuwill

    I might actually purchase this new retro camera soon after it comes out out of my best judgement since I don’t normally buy a new model until all the bugs have been shaken out and Nikon takes advantage of “specifications might change without notice.”

  • John McClane

    I definitely am getting excited about this. I feel like Nikon will pack this thing with features because this isn’t really a camera to squeeze in their lineup – this is in its own category. Looking forward to the announcement

    • Tonto

      Yippee ki yay!

  • Brandon Lin

    i bet it will be priced between d610 and d7100 :)

  • Komalkumar

    My dream camera was F3 ! will buy this retro for sure if it is based on F3 !

  • guest

    since it is below d610 in hierachy,11 AF points?

    • what_the_fox_says

      should be fine considering this camera won’t be targeted at the professional sports shooter or people trying to track wildlife. Better 11 focus points well spread than 39 crammed in the middle. Keep it simple Nikon

  • Spy Black

    I’ll be at PDN, if I see anything, I’ll let ya know.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      Stop by the Sigma booth and say hi to those folks. The people that work for them are super.

      Oops. Does that make me a PR shill?

      • Spy Black

        I’ll be covering the entire event. I’m looking to see what the state of IGBT monolights is at the moment. Hopefully I’ll see a lot of affordable IGBT unit from China there.

  • spok

    Seriously asking, without the retro look, what is the purpose of buying this camera? for reminding our old days perhaps?

    • hans

      +1 exactly, I was thinking of a full manual camera, mechanical shutter, no display, battery for sensor and raw-files only. Now they bring something already there in just a retro-look, instead of retro-functionality. Makes no sense to me, sorry.

    • Mike

      It has a D4 sensor. Without a D4 price tag. The user experience of using a retro inspired DSLR is half of why people want one. And no matter the price, it will be cheaper than getting a second system camera and 2 or 3 lenses. Most people here have Nikon lenses already.

    • FredBear

      Well if you buy cameras based on looks rather than functionality that’s your choice.
      The ‘old’ cameras were based on similar ergonomics for a specific reason – ease of access. It was a design that worked.
      How many complain about where the buttons are placed on a DSLR each time a new one arrives? That’s because in all these years the manufacturers still don’t have the placements right.
      Not to mention having to delve into ever changing screens to access the parameters one wants? Sometimes less is more.
      If it ain’t broke don’t fix it and the old style SLRs weren’t broke by any stretch of the imagination.

  • Tom Shelley

    V1 was $900 when it came, RX100 $650. RX100 had faster sensor, faster lens. Coolpix A was $1100, 4/3 with Summilux 25 1.4 or DSLR is cheaper and overall much better. Nikkor 58 1.4 is $1700 but I know it’s not nifty fifty, still it’s very expensive in comparison to 85 1.4. Now this new camera with new 50 1.8 lens is competitor with A7 and 55 1.8 lens. Sony boundles these for $2700 and try to reach younger and in my opinion hance poorer clients. Good luck with new Nikon camera guys!

    • Dpablo unfiltered

      A big optical finder with a split screen and a D4 sensor with a mount to work my smooooooooooooth AI lenses that were made over the span of more than 30 years against WHAT??????

      • Dpablo unfiltered

        Oh and they don’t have any old lenses at the camera store. I checked.

    • ronin

      A year and a half later said V1 was $265 with lens. When Nikon products don’t sell, it’s Eddie’s used car time, blowing the ^@^*&$#% out of prices. Early adopters, better hope this sells.

  • KnightPhoto

    I hope Nikon is going all out: 51 point AF, hybrid viewfinder, and price it what it needs to be to support that. Would hate to see intentional de-featuring. Make it good.

  • http://www.povazanphotography.com/ Jozef Povazan

    If Nikon realized that many of us who already have plenty of their top DSLR in use for years was missing this piece, then HURRAH. Let it be top build quality, sensor and AF with no issue and please charge my visa premium for it. Just do not compromise on it please!

  • aamith

    I have to say, I haven’t been this excited about a new camera in a LONG time. I own…all of Nikon’s DSLRs, but they are my work. For pleasure I shoot small, all metal film bodies and I have wanted precisely what this camera MIGHT be for a long time. Already have my money out.

  • Ted

    My biggest hope… focus points aside and all the rest of the digital junk that most of us don’t really need… is a decent focusing screen for manual focus lenses. Give me an old K style screen and I will be happy as a clam.

    • DTC99

      As much as I would like strong AF in this, I think those calling for it are missing the point and something you have hit on here. This camera seems to be for those that want to go all manual but record to a digital file rather than film. So my guess is that they will go for a great manual focusing screen over focusing on the AF (although I have been proven wrong before)…

  • Nutt

    If this is real and the price is reasonable, I’d sell my D700 for this babe!

  • per

    I was thinking…what about using the film rewind lever to switch between OVF and EVF? This could be fun. I might buy the camera just for this feature.

    • per

      …or rather film advance lever.

  • Alberto Puertas

    I am surprised that in the known rumors not appears nothing about WIFI. What do you think, finally got WIFI? or not?

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      Gonna go out on a limb here and say, NO.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        I don’t think it will have Wi-Fi.

        • Alberto Puertas

          Thank you for all answers.
          Without WIFI is perfect for me

    • transister

      Nah! It will broadcast in AM, you’ll need one of these vintage AM/FM transistor radios.

      http://home.comcast.net/~morrised2006/radios/radiojpgs/am5~1.jpg

  • T53

    I think the price point for this camera will fall right between the D610 and the D800. For many of us old timers, the F2, F3 were the best cameras made by anyone ever so basing this on the F3 pushes all of my buttons.

    • BroncoBro

      Wouldn’t it be great if, when it’s finally announced, it’s actually styled after the F2 rather than the F3?

      • KnightPhoto

        An F2 look would be great ;-) (better than any other F IMO)

  • Fly Fisher

    A beautifully crafted, well sealed and metal clad DSLR, with functional knobs and a sensible number of digital controls (far fewer than current models), without video would be a very fine package indeed. A machine made simply for making photographs. Function and form perfectly melded. For the many who never shot Nikon film cameras, it will be a new day. For the first time they will see a bright, fine-grained focusing screen with a split image prism that they can truly focus. The camera will fit their hands better than the fat pigs of today, with the solid feel that inspires confidence in the machine. They might even learn to hold their cameras steady without the aid of VR, and get fast at manual focusing. Look at all the fine glass Nikon has made over the years, just waiting to be used again! My wallet is ready for the $3,000 price tag.

    • tap0

      $3500. I had a dream/nightmare about the price, depending on how you look at it.

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    I hope that 5.5 FPS doesn’t mean it has the D600′s dust generator inside.

    I’m super excited about this!

    • aarif

      well its retro it must have dust :)

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        Truly retro cameras not only cleaned, but totally replaced their sensor multiple times per second. Even Nikon service couldn’t do that ;)

        • Anon

          They have 36 sensors per camera, not 36mp.. hahaha.

  • Delmar Mineard Jr

    I love the F3, had mine for 7 years. It was a great film camera. Now I was not interested when it was a FM2, but now….can’t wait to see it and the specs. This could be fun.

  • Neopulse

    Don’t get why Disqus keeps saying that replies are 11+ hours from the moment they are posted :-/

  • Ivan Feign

    Hell yeah, I love my F3, this might keep me from making a switch to Canon.

  • Neopulse

    Well, hate to point out the obvious, but is this a response to the latest trend of retro style cameras like the Fuji, Panasonic, Leica, etc? Just really hoping they keep it under $1200 compared to the competition. And also have to wonder how the Nikon 1 series V3 update is due and the D4x? Which camera is going to incorporate 4k in the end dammit?!

    • FredBear

      Hopefully (not a certainty with Nikon!) this camera has been in the works for a long time and isn’t one that’s being rushed to the market (again).
      I think there were rumours of this camera – or at least camera type (some call it retro, I call it functional) – going back some time now (Admin?).
      Thom’s latest survey reveals a very good interest level in this camera (at the right price level), and that’s just from a ‘Western’ viewpoint. The interest should be even greater in Asia.

  • Ian

    Do we have any info about its focusing system? i do hope it will feature D600 focus system which is fastest and relatively the most accurate systemamong Nikon DSLR. Really hope so.

  • ageha

    I’ll buy the new 50mm lens if it’s better than the current ones.

    • FredBear

      Has to be better than the current Nikon 50′s so you’ll buy it :-)

  • vwk

    removable pentaprism?

  • Spy Black

    Too bad it seems like it’s gonna look more like an F3 than an FM2. The F3 is not horrible, but the FM had a better looking style IMHO. As long as it’s FM-sized and not F3-sized then it won’t be so bad.

    • Espen4u

      Does’nt the PDAF-module sits directly under the mirrorbox? If so then it will be (nearly) as tall as a D600. Without it and with on sensor PDAF Nikon could probably have shaved off a cm from the height.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        On-sensor PDAF isn’t nearly as good. It would be bigger than a Fuji, but just as slow.

        Before anyone jumps me and tells me how fast the Fuji is, it still isn’t as fast nor can it track like a DSLR.

        • mikeswitz

          I own an X Pro1 and can confidently say that is an understatement.

          • J. Dennis Thomas

            I owned an XPro1 and I can confidently say that it was nowhere near as fast as a DSLR and the way it’s implemented it could never ever be as responsive.

            Not to mention that the XPro1 doesn’t even have on-chip PDAF so really, the point is moot.

            • hexx

              There were FW updates for both body and lenses. But I agree that if tracking is what you need then you need good old dSLR. I don’t shoot sports nor wildlife so I don’t need it. But mirrorless cameras have more AF points and they cover whole frame – dSLR can’t do that ;)

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              I decided to pull the trigger when the new firmware was released because people were raving about how much faster it was.

              The XPro-1 doesn’t cover the whole frame. And the continuous focus stops when the shutter is pressed. So even if shooting an action street shot is hard.

              I found that the focusing system on my M8 was way more reliable. :)

        • Espen4u

          I don’t think physics limits the on sensor PDAF, just the current implementations of it. So what we need is a new sensor generation with layered/stacked photosites, on sensor PDAF and an electronic global shutter that doesnt steal the light. And probaly at least two die shrinks of the expeed for upping the processing power/lowering battery drain.

          • J. Dennis Thomas

            You should get right on developing that. You’ll be rich.

        • FredBear

          If this camera had blazing fast AF then it would be a competitor for a D4 right?
          So on sensor PDAF is a distinct possibility as some form of ‘hand brake’ not to compete with a D4.
          Expect the same performance from the sensor as a D4 (why go backwards?) but with sensor based PDAF.
          As far as I’ve read the Nikon implementation of sensor PDAF on the Nikon 1 is pretty good already?

    • http://reciprocity-failure.blogspot.com/ Stan B.

      The stated dimensions already well exceed either film counterpart- and a larger digital equivalent of an FM (particularly with its miniscule pentaprism housing) would look both freakish and ungainly. A digital equivalent of an F3 has a better chance of being better proportioned- and a slim chance at that. Be careful what you wish for…

      So far, only Fujifilm has done retro right. Beauty or beast, I won’t be able to afford either- but am happy to continue to use both their original film incarnations.

  • Anny

    Doesn’t Nikon realize their mistake? Nowadays, there is no more room for bulky and monstrous DSLR shape with awkward hump. People need FF mirrorless and compact lenses! Don’t obsess with F mount? It’s time to be more creative!

    • what_the_fox_says

      why bother with Nikon then? Go buy a Sony and be happy!

  • Global

    Would “oil on the sensor” (D600) type issues worry anyone about ordering on the first day? If Nikon cuts corners by not including video, what else are they going to cut out?

    Does making a “dumbed down” camera justify it having more features in Nikon’s world (a la D5000 series)? Could we see cheap D600 AF sensor arrangement, but 1/8000? Could we see silent shutter, but no video? Could we see 1/250 sync but no programmable buttons?

    And what does the “special” 50mm/1.8 represent? That this is being produced SOLELY as a fashion item for the top 1% as a crippled features camera, but what will look nice as a $4000 Gucci purse around their necks? Or is the camera going to be priced for actual Nikon users — around the D400/D600 level — (in which case, why the designer lens?) who Nikon thinks will actually use the cam (and perhaps use the lens as a fixed, almost)?

    Will Nikon make additional “special” versions of primes for it? Or is this just a one time deal to sucker rich people out of money for a HIPSTER fashion item?

    Do you think a “next version” will come out in 1 year (D600)? Or in 3 years (D700)? Or never (D400)?

    • tap0

      I have a feeling that this might be for the 1%. Priced as a fashion accessory. If proved wrong, I would be the happiest.

  • Guest

    That would be sick!

  • stas

    This will be a killer with the new 58mm f/1.4 lens!

  • Leonard

    Finally SAR reports Nikon’s latest move. Or course, nobody thinks F3 can be a candidate for competition. I hope there will be more retro style lens.

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/a7-competition-the-mock-attack-from-nikon-fuji-gets-more-serious/

  • Marco

    FOCUS PEAKING PLEASE

    • Kenny

      Can you give me a reason why we need focus peaking for Nikon body?

      • Zeon

        Focus peaking is greatly helpful if you use manual-focus lens on any body, not only Nikon.

        • hexx

          Not sure, I found it annoying and disabled it on my Fuji. It only works with contrast so it can be deceiving.

          • FredBear

            You manually focusing?

  • TylerVPhotoGuy

    Wow this is extremely exciting!! I own all Nikon cameras and glass. I however, just accidentally broke my Nikon D700. After hearing the announcement of the Sony A7r I quickly preordered it with a Zeiss 35mm f/2.8. Well, THIS is what I was REALLY after when I was ordering it. A smaller, full frame camera that is capable of producing amazing photos with minimal fuss. I’ve been waiting for a digital full frame camera with a retro design like this since I became a professional wedding and portrait photographer in 2006. I’m also incredibly excited that I will be able to just use my existing glass instead of having to invest in all new glass through Sony!!! By the looks of how much it will weigh vs its dimensions I can pretty much say that the build quality, comfort in holding will all be superior to the Sony A7r. Sony preorder is being cancelled!

    • FredBear

      “instead of having to invest in all new glass through Sony”
      Sony have lenses for their cameras? ;-)

  • Christin

    What I want to know so muchhhh is its AF system.
    Any clue? Any hint?

  • alpcns .

    Ah, the good old F3. A tank of a camera, gorgeous. I still use it together with a F4 – yet another tank. I am very curious to see that new retro camera! And I couldn’t care less that it won’t have video, but that’s just me. Good times!

  • Nick Harman

    I have a Nikon D1X. It is in fact the old film camera with the guts removed and the electronics shoved in. How retro is that? I use my old AI lenses on it and the pictures are as close to film as you can get without getting deeply involved in Photoshop.

    Autofocus? Hocus pocus, do your own focussing. It isn’t hard.

    I wish the new camera looked more like my beloved F2. The F3 I never liked using.

    People who want video buy Canons. Then they use prime Nikkors on them.

  • captaindash

    When will we move past this?! I’m not against retro stuff per se, but the fact that the ONLY camera body designs that are anything stylized in the least are always retro really bugs me. We get digital cameras, then spend our time and money to make digital snaps look like our old film prints, then we buy retro bodies. All this new futuristic high tech stuff, and what do we do with it? Imitate what we used to do. Riddle me that!

    My Nikon bodies look just like the Canons (shaddup, yes they do), and everybody’s lenses look the same (save for the white Canon lenses I guess). You can get a flip out screen on a $550 body, but not on a $6500 body. Seriously? Black cords, black triggers, black flashes. It all looks the f#@king same. I’m not a fanboy in the least (I hate the actual company itself), but I wish Apple would make a DSLR, or mirrorles etc. At least it wouldn’t look exactly like everything else. The big 2 are so worried about ‘pro’ photogs who are so threatened by anything functional that things that can be useful if you need them, like a flip out screen are scoffed. Why? If you don’t like it, don’t flip it out. Duh. I ran into the same thing while a videographer when the screens came out. They were dubbed as ‘amateur’. I shot action sports professionally, and the screens were super helpful. Ask a photojournalist (if there are any left) or a paparazzo if a flip screen might come in handy.
    I honestly think the camera companies are purposely keeping innovation down and I don’t know why. They have to be. They will tout CLS, then bury it in the menu system beneath other things you’ll only set once. The D610 doesn’t even have a live histogram in video mode. The D3200 sure does for $1300 less. Why? I can’t think of any other reason than it being on purpose somehow. These smart people can’t possibly be this stupid. Sorry for the rant, I just can’t believe that a retro FF is their solution to getting creative. *barf*.

    • KnightPhoto

      Good rant Captain, hard to disagree. i think the guys who actually need to change Aperture in LiveView and need Live Histogram can buy a D800, it won’t kill them. It is a great camera and the $800 diff shouldn’t be a barrier one would think. And heck the D800 has some other pretty nice features thrown in for for a measly $800.

      But do us all a favour and at least embed your CLS settings in your MyMenu where you can get at them ;-)

    • FredBear

      On a camera that is (hopefully) built like a brick and well sealed why would one added a ‘flip out screen’ that is prone to moisture ingress and damage to a great body?
      Flip out screens are not seen as congruous with a (maybe) pro body.
      IFF they were ‘secure’ then fine – but they’re not and the very mechanisms by which they’re attached will never be durable.

      If you want a flip out screen then buy a D3200 for a lot less money.

  • SR

    And maybe this Full Frame 35mm f2.8 VR will come to light with this new body? http://nikonrumors.com/2012/01/15/nikon-files-patent-for-a-35mm-f2-8-vr-full-frame-lens.aspx/

  • Ryan McBride

    This is going to be a documentary photographers dream camera.

  • fvanzela

    That is exactly the kit I learned a little bit about photography. It will be for sure something to make me think about coming back to Nikon!

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