Additional Nikon D850 coverage


Some additional Nikon D850 coverage:

  • The Nikon D850 WILL NOT offer FHD/120p movie recording option, just some kind of a "slow-motion" video option. The 1080/120p or 1080/100p options will not be selectable.

See also the previously reported D850 specifications and the press release, sample photos and press pictures that leaked a few hours ago.

I still do not have the US retail pricing. The D850 price in Germany is rumored to be €3,799.

Nikon D850 size comparison with the D810 and D500:




Thanks for the comparisons Broxibear and Steven!

You can expect some D850 footage and photos from David Yarrow (see his Facebook post):

Today is the last day in an 8 day film production for a major global brand. 4 countries, 60 different crew members and...

Posted by David Yarrow Photography on Tuesday, August 22, 2017

Like the new Nikon D850 Facebook page and join the growing Nikon D850 Facebook group for a more detailed coverage of the upcoming announcement.

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  • aerodreamer

    first!!!!looool. This is fun

    • Ed Hassell

      Guess that means I play 2nd fiddle.

    • csmith

      are you 12?

      • Jim

        omg lulz

    • Roger S

      Keeping the playfulness in Nikon. Good job!

    • fanboy fagz

      Were all so proud of your accomplishment. Truly an award should be given.

  • Eric Calabros

    We always have to beg them update the firmware so we can select options already selectable in other cameras

  • Evan Richardson

    3799 Euros? Ouch that’s like what… 4100$?

    • it’s not a direct conversion – that’s why I did not mention it, US prices are usually lower

      • Proto

        yep, hopefully D850 does not cost twice more than D500

        • Captain Megaton

          I think it will, at least for a while. Nikon needs the cash, and demand is gonna outstrip supply at least until the end of the year.

    • sgredsch

      depends on taxes. if you convert 3800€ to $ it will be 4469$, however thats including the german tax, without tax it should be somewhere around 3760$.

    • Dave

      Seriously, I hope not…hoping with the battery pack it’ll be $4000-$4100. If the camera is $4100 to start, then I’m just getting the d810.

      • Andrew

        Get it without the battery pack initially, then save to add it later. You could also think of creative ways to generate some extra cash like tapping into your entrepreneurial abilities.

    • Azimuth1

      Euro prices always included VAT taxes.

      • Roman Kosolapov

        Yeah 19% for Germany.

    • Luc Neyens

      I’ve noticed over the years that for Nikon cameras and lenses, basically € 1 equates to $1. So, expect the D810 to cost about $ 3799 in the US.

    • tomskyphoto

      3,799 Euros are 4,474 US$ (today’s exchange rate).

      But: 3,799 Euros – 19% German VAT = 3,192 Euros

      3,192 € is 3,760 US$. So the rumored 3,599 US$ sound plausible, maybe 3,699. European prices even without tax are usually a bit higher but then we also get a mandatory 2-year warranty with pretty consumer friendly T&Cs.

      • that’s sounds right

    • psv

      It should be 3799 euros and 3799 USD. Normaly the “nominal” price are the same, and what changes are the currency

  • Bob Thane

    Hmmm… 120 fps would be nice, but ah well, not even close to a deal breaker for me.

  • sgredsch

    3800€ vs the 2300€ i paid for the D800 new in retail store. feelsbadman. i really wanted to upgrade to the d810 successor but with an 65% price increase not gonna happen. sorry nikon.

    • Aldo

      The d800 and d800e were 3k and 3.3k respectively when they were released. That is far from a 65 percent increase my friend.

      • Tony

        But the D800 was availabie much cheaper soon after launch. I bought my D800 from a UK dealer for £2100 in June 2012. Time will tell whether the D850 has a similar rapid drop, but recent Nikon pricing would suggest not.
        My guess is that the D850 will indeed remain at a significantly higher price level than the D800/D810.

        • br0xibear

          It sounds as if there’s going to be a hefty price jump from the D810.

          The D810 was £2700 at launch, the D850 looks like it’s going to be £3500 (according to a Nikon Pro dealer’s estimate).
          £800 is a big increase if that estimate is correct, let’s see what the actual price is.
          Good time to pick up a D810 if the D850 has features you don’t need or use.

  • A. I.

    This might be a controversial opinion, but Nikon should just remove the video capabilities out of their cameras and put that R&D and IP money into still photography. What is the point of Nikon fighting this lost battle? Who in their right mind would shoot any semi-professional video with a Nikon?

    The only Cine lens with a Nikon mount is probably an off-brand hacked up $200 Rokinon. Just tells you where the market is when it comes to video.

    tl;dr, Nikon should give up on video.

    • Dave

      Video is where they could gain a lot of ground. That Elijah Wood show “Wilfred” was filmed with 3 d800’s, it looked great. I would love to have dslr that excels in video as well for at least half of my work that doesn’t require a crew rather than lug around another camera dedicated to video.

    • Jim

      Because, me. I am the kind of person they’re doing video for. I have $10k in Nikon lenses and they’re worth way more for me to use than to sell and buy into another system. I’m moving into video more and more and I really don’t want to buy into both Nikon and Sony. If this camera’s video is “good enough” (that’s where I’ve set the bar), I’m happy to stay with Nikon. If they pulled out the video, I’d really feel the heat to move on to another brand.

      • Caleb Berg

        Totally with these guys on the video. I do both photo and video & admin the Nikon Videographers Facebook group. Since the D800 Nikon’s video offerings and options have already well surpassed Canon, continuing on with the D750 options. Now the 5D Mk IV having cropped 4K made it useless. So if the D850 is priced right, it’ll be a real banger.

    • Lost Traveler Nick

      You’re basically suggesting shutting the company down. Worse if you think of many of the things people whine about wanting/needing for stills they’re more important for video then stills

    • Lots of people are duel shooters, stills and videos of events, weddings etc. They largely do stills but throw in some video clips, switching between the two. If Nikon killed their video option they would loose a tonne of sales.

      • pedantic_brit

        “duel shooters” – like Hamilton and Burr?

    • Roman Kosolapov

      I would. Usually I work as a photographer, but want to make some stock video and don’t want to buy another system’s lenses and other stuff.

    • ITN

      It’s not possible today to sell a professional camera without video capabilities. Many professional photographers are expected to have the skills and capability to shoot video along with stills and cannot and will not choose a brand which doesn’t support video. Nikon may be behind in video technology but they are at least working on it and if you don’t require autofocus during video recording the quality of the video itself is ok for many purposes. Sony, Canon and Panasonic have been leaders in video for a long time and they have the advantage there but if Nikon is not trying to catch up they will lose the majority of the professional market and the photographers who are committed to never shoot video aren’t enough to sustain sales for this camera. This is just the way things are today. I’ve seen Nikons as well as Sony, Panasonic and Canon being used to record video by photographers who do professional photography for the media and are also required to do video interviews etc. Sony and Panasonic seem to be frequently be used by those who have higher emphasis on video than stills. The D5/D850 are for photographers who are primarily still photographers but occasionally must shoot video as well. And there are a lot of those photographers around.

      If the D850 offers 35mm full frame 4K video this is a feature that Canon do not offer yet, and certainly going to turn some heads.

      • Thom Hogan

        Or…look at RED. They’re going the opposite direction. Their latest video cameras are increasingly being used for still work.

        Ultimately, still/video is the same thing: imaging. Imaging goes through trends and fads and requires a great deal of flexibility, not total emphasis on just one thing.

    • Thom Hogan

      Not sure it would save them all that much money, particularly since Nikon isn’t pressing the forefront of video at all. You need the “video stream” for Live View, and we still photographers would complain about lack of Live View, especially since we now have high res LCDs that tilt.

      However, someone in management should get a window office (in Japan that’s not a positive) for fumbling the DSLR video thing. Nikon was there first, and was quickly passed by everyone else. There was a real opportunity there that someone punted on, probably out of fear that they might not succeed. Well guess what? If you don’t do it at all, you don’t succeed.

    • Wildness

      Are you a Cult of Sony troll?

      • A. I.

        No, Sony isn’t even on my radar. Been shooting Nikon for a decade+. Transitioned to video in the past year and came to a realization that all that investment in Nikon over the years came with a hard ceiling when it came to video. Started from square 1 with Canon gear. It’s painful and expensive, but I’m not investing anymore money in Nikon for the long run, especially for video applications. EF mount here on out.

        • Wildness

          I only use DSLRs as supplemental video… for actual video work I use a video camera.

    • mas921

      i was paid for making videos on a nikon D5200 for several years, GH5 is much better, but its much less “gear” than you think

  • Michiel953

    Looks bigger than the D810? Same weight then?

    That means no buy.

    • Aldo

      If you want the mini d850 wait for the d760

      • silmasan

        grandbaby D5??

      • David

        It makes sense, but do you think the next D6XX and 7XX will have the 36mp sensor?

        • Aldo

          Good question. I have no Idea.

    • Bob Thane

      Au contraire – if it were any smaller I wouldn’t go near it with a ten foot pole – gotta balance the big lenses.

      • Michiel953

        “Au contraire”???

        Lol!

        Anyway, I only do 1.4G primes.

      • BlueBomberTurbo

        Grip.

        • Bob Thane

          Yeah, I use a grip with all my cameras. Even still, the bigger the better.

    • Chris Phillips

      lighter than the D810

      • Michiel953

        How much lighter?

        • Chris Phillips

          I don’t know by how much but in the Chinese slides they’ve been mentioning it as lighter than the D810.

          • Michiel953

            Another 20 grs won’t help much, 100 grs would. Similar size to the D810 suggests 20 grs more than 100.

            • Chris Phillips

              Man you stick a 500 mm lens on any body weight issue goes out the window. I think it is not that much of a deal breaker. If it really does bother one then he ought to go with mirrorless

            • Michiel953

              My glass (1.4G primes) weigh 600 grs each; a 100 grs lighter body is noticeable.

            • Chris Phillips

              My glass 200-500, 70-200, 24-70, 16-35, plus primes, any of the first three on it, 100 noticeable but not an issue, it is however much lighter than my D5, especially when used without the grip. We will know tomorrow exactly how lighter it will be compared to the D810. I assume you are using a D810 now?

            • Michiel953

              Yes. 20 grs lighter than my previous D800/E (I convinced myself I noticed that), which was 74 grs lighter than my D700 before that…

              Mind you, I never use a neck strap, just a by now well worn Gordy’s leather wrist strap. I don’t like a camera dangling from my neck.

            • Reggie

              Looks to me about the same size, and that’s from hacked together size comparisons without real data. We’ll know tonight, I am definitely hoping they drop some weight, make this my backpacking camera in place of the D500. Fingers crossed.

  • NOOOOoooooooooOOOOoooooooo!!! It’s a deal breaker-ish. Still buying though.

  • silmasan

    Wish there’s an equivalent of Magic Lantern for Nikon…

  • Art

    I predict a new marketing campaign. They will do away with “I am Nikon” and replace it with “The D850 is people!”

  • Julian

    so the missing AE lock button is the obvious difference on the back controls, I guess it has probably come up in previous conversations – how do you lock the focus / exposure now? – is that what the joystick is for? if its like this in the D500 – then how does it work there?

    • Chris Phillips

      propably like the D5 by pushing in the joy stick or and by assigning one of the function buttons

      • Julian

        OK – thx, sounds straightforward, here’s hoping that joystick is robust.

        • Chris Phillips

          I don’t see why not, its been great on both the D500 and the D5

          • Julian

            OK – good to hear.

        • silmasan

          The D5/D500 tips also show that you can assign AE-L to the AF-ON button, and AF-ON to the joystick button (I assume that’s what the circle with the little “x” symbol represents).

          There are so many different ways one can program these buttons to their liking, which is nice.

          • Chris Phillips

            Depending how you focus. For back button focusing you’d have to assign one of the buttons .

    • ITN

      Focus is locked when you lift your finger off AF-ON. If you’re not an AF-ON user and use the shutter button to activate autofocus, you can reprogram AF-ON to perform AF-L/AE-L. Or you can reprogram Pv, Fn1 or Fn2 on the camera or the lens buttons on the lens to do AF-L/AE_L.

      • Thom Hogan

        Or you could program the shutter release half press to lock the exposure.

  • Photoretouchpro

    Focus peaking on this model finally?

    • Fdfas Jlkjl

      I think they’ve decided they don’t want to sell a bunch of Zeiss lenses. The focus accuracy of the D5 seems pretty good, so I can live without it.

    • Photoretouchpro

      Yes, is the answer. Taking video seriously at last. Have to wait to see quality though.

  • Chris Phillips

    I think the whole video thing is generated more by Youtube vloggers than anything else. Most people buying into DSLRs would primarily buy for stills and the magic of stills. Having it available is always a good option but IMO NOT a deal breaker. On the other hand it would be a deal breaker if it were to be removed all together.

    • Andrew

      Cinematographers do not use movie cameras with autofocus capability. They pull focus (focus manually) between scenes. YouTube bloggers as I have observed predominantly use smaller devices such as smartphones. It is great to have video functions on a DSLR camera and the video capabilities on Nikon’s latest cameras is sufficient. But for most users, video performance is of secondary importance as it should be.

      • Chris Phillips

        Well said, I would go so far as saying that even 4K is a bit of an overkill for a lot of people still. 4K monitors and laptops and high speed internet subscriptions and staff are way too expensive for a large percentage of potential viewers so is it really necessary? For some I guess it is but for most?

        • Mugatu

          4K video footage looks way sharper even when rendered on 1080p. Also 4K allows video editors to crop in with no resolution loss. Think of it as similar benefits to high megapixels for stills. So to answer your question yes it is absolutely necessary.

  • Vladimir

    Is this finally “the real D700 successor” or we are still waiting?

    • Fdfas Jlkjl

      They will complain it has too many megapixels to process on a 486 with windows 95. You can’t please some people.

  • Mark Pitsilos

    Nikon, not giving customers what they want since…

    • MB

      You are obviously not a customer so how would you now?

      • Mark Pitsilos

        And you guessed that from?

      • Mark Pitsilos

        The D7000, D7100, D700, D3S, D750, D810, D500 I have owned so far beg to differ.

        • Harold1966

          You can’t say on here that the D500 is only 1/2 the machine Nikon could sell with todays technology in video and wifi! People might get upset. Specially if you say that Nikon doesn’t listen to it’s prosumer clients like Thom Hogan finds in all his online polls for years and years.
          Fanboys are partially blind 😉

          • Mark Pitsilos

            I am a Nikon owner and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future (although I am planning to get a Fujifilm X-T2 for experimenting with adapted lenses).

            That doesn’t mean that I (or anyone else) can’t be critical of the company.

            The same holds true for Canon as well, with their insanely suboptimal codec choices for the 5D MK4, no 4K in the latest APS-C bodies, etc.

            Artificially restricting their cameras is getting old, especially with Fujifilm and Sony trying to check as many boxes as possible with each new body they release.

            • Harold1966

              Indeed.
              I am still happy with what my D500 does for me.
              But also mighty unhappy with what it doesn’t. Things cheap compacts or midrange slr’s of other brands can do for a couple of years already.
              Brand loyalty for Nikon hinges on the mount. That won’t last.

        • MB

          If that is true they gave you plenty so far 🙂

          • Michiel953

            Hahaha!

          • Mark Pitsilos

            I don’t think think they gave me anything.
            They offer functionality in exchange for money.

        • Michiel953

          Who forced you to buy those disappointing products from that manufacturer, oblivious to your needs and wants?

          This is all Greek to me. Remarkable.

          • Mark Pitsilos

            Unfortunately, I am invested in Nikkor lenses thus it is impractical for me to entirely switch systems at this point in time.

            That being said, if I started from scratch, I would probably opt for a manufacturer that aims for overwhelming, rather than underwhelming products.

            • Michiel953

              Any psychotherapist will tell you that you are deliberately, for some unfathomable reason, keeping yourself in a state of unhappiness, and that the best way out is to sell the lot and invest (after subtracting the amount of his bill) in those overwhelming products that you have identified on the horizon.

              If that doesn’t work, than repeat the process. And again. And again.

            • Mark Pitsilos

              LOL, I would have bigger problems if my happiness depended on Nikon camera features or lack thereof 😛

            • Michiel953

              “not giving customers what they want since…” forever? And you bought seven of their products, without being forced to I hope.

              Sounds like masochism to me. But if that makes you happy, who am I…

            • Mark Pitsilos

              It was an exaggeration to make a point, obviously.

              Even though I would have enjoyed a more technical conversation, I find your attempt to psychoanalyze me most entertaining, thanks.

              P.S. Groetjes uit Griekenland 😉

            • Michiel953

              Hahaha; wederzijds!

            • peter w

              you appear to find your Dutch fellow Nikon-fans and -botherers anywhere, Michiel… 😉

            • Michiel953

              Fans, botherers, same difference!

              We’re all wearing a pink flower tomorrow night, and yesterday’s Financial Telegraph rolled up under the left arm.

            • Thom Hogan

              Right. Read How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.

            • Michiel953

              Ha! That’s a long time ago…

              Find happiness in yourself and with what you have, not with what you don’t have.

            • Chris Phillips

              Such as????

      • DSP~

        I love the rudeness against people who criticize Nikon. It is just awesome to hear that you are an idiot if you don’t like specific things about the manufacturer that is represented on this website. Man, way to go with your positivity!

        Wake up! Nikon is shite when it comes to video, Nikon is shite when it comes to innovation, Nikon is not moving forward at all when it comes to features.
        I’m with @markpitsilos:disqus so much as I now need two systems, 4 instead of 2 bodies, 10 instead of maybe 4-6 lenses. Just because I *need* decent video…

        • Thom Hogan

          Or maybe a real video camera ;~)

          • DSP~

            Why should I need a “real” video camera if the m4/3 system has developed to a point where it is way better than any DSLR and fulfills nearly all my needs?

            And my question is: Why do I need to buy a GH5 or a Sony A7sII if I could have all those features in my Nikon DSLR system aswell?
            > It can’t be about sensor size, since the A7sII is full frame aswell.
            > It can’t be about the body size, since the A7sII is much smaller than a DSLR
            > It can’t be about technology and price, because for 1500€ I can have 4k60p, unlimited recording, peaking, log, IBIS and more

            So why can’t Nikon do that? Tell me! Please, tell me.

            • Chris Phillips

              You guys wanna do everything in a single camera and pay peanuts for it too, try taking your Micro 4/3s and shoot wildlife, sports,landscapes, you know….. things that the D850 is designed for. You want to shoot video just go with a Sony and be done with it already. I’d recommend the A9 in particular, shoots great for about 3-4 minutes!!!

            • DSP~

              I payed 2k for my D750 and 1,5k for my GH5.
              I wouln’t have a problem to pay 3,5k-4k for a decent Nikon DSLR with a simular featureset of the GH5.
              I would like to go with Sony but they dont have unlimited recording times and 4k60p.
              A mix of the GH5 and D750 would be all I want.

            • Thom Hogan

              A lot to discuss here.

              “way better than any DSLR” needs one heck of a lot of detail and explanation for me to believe. I just reviewed the E-M1 Mark II. A great camera. But “way better than any DSLR”? Not in my book. For every tradeoff a DSLR would invoke, so too would a m4/3 model. There’s no perfect world here.

              GH5: I have very mixed emotions about the GH series. In DSLR-sized bodies Panasonic has made an okay still camera and a decent video camera. But autofocus is highly suspect and unusable for me in video on the GH4/5. On the flip side, with a video lens on the camera and manually focusing, I like the GH4/5 for video. But not for stills.

              A7sII: Similar reactions on the video side to the GH series. Also, 4K from a 12mp sensor isn’t nearly optimal.

              But yes, I don’t understand at all why Nikon has simply not gone anywhere with the video side of their DSLRs. The D90 pioneered video on DSLR, after all. We even briefly got support for external devices such as the Atomos recorders. But there are so many things that Nikon simply hasn’t done I’m not going to spend the time to try to type the entire list here.

              This has to be a management decision, and a bad one. There’s absolutely no reason why Nikon couldn’t have done the same thing Canon did by splitting off a Cinema line. Or the same thing Sony did by incorporating lots of video features into still cameras.

              Instead, we got a GoPro clone.

            • DSP~

              Thanks for the “down to earth” reply after all those people hating on my comments over the last weeks.
              I totally agree. Neither the current DSLRs nor the current mirrorless cameras are perfect, but imho they might become perfect if all manufacturers worked on their mostly obvious problems.

              Sony needs to address dynamic range in their stills aswell as ergonomic improvements, customer support and pricing. On top of that they need some cure for the overheating that occurs for some people and 4k60p is the next logical step.

              Nikon needs to work on everything regarding video, basically. 4k60p, peaking, IBIS, log and so on. The cannot continue like this!

              And Panasonic needs to simply work on a Super35 / APS-C version of the GH5 with optional lens mounts for Sony, Nikon and Canon. Or they need a lower resolution sensor (5k/18MP) for a better compromise between low light and downscaling.

              There is a lot to do for everyone, but my main problem is, that Nikons video functions are so limited and bad, that it is way more frustrating than all problems that Panasonic and Sony have with their cameras.

            • PhilK

              I personally think it’s a pipe dream to expect a 45MP FF DSLR to compete directly with a 12MP or 20MP mirrorless on video functionality because of the different optimizations necessary on the different platforms.

              However I think Nikon’s real window-of-opportunity on video is their upcoming mirrorless product. That’s where I think they need to really up their video game.

              This would also provide a nice distinction between the two series, to give them some nice product differentiation to sell those 2 different lines to 2 different kinds of customers. (Hopefully with a good lens adapter that also provides access to F-mount lenses for their new mirrorless customers, another advantage for their new mirrorless if they do this technology right)

            • PhilK

              I agree mostly but DSP’s attempts to malign a 45 MP DSLR by comparing its video functions to a 12MP mirrorless are weak.

              Things like overheating are a much bigger deal on a 45MP sensor optimized for still photography than they are on a 12MP sensor which is optimized for video, etc.

            • Thom Hogan

              I wish we had more discussion about how 4K is being derived (or HD, for that matter). There are all kinds of techniques being used, from scaling to line skipping to direct Bayer to, well, the list goes on and on.

              What I’ve been finding is that a lot of the big sensor 4K just isn’t impressive when examined closely. Then pour bad compression choices on top and it gets really difficult to say any of the choices being made are all that great.

              What we really need is a three chip or three layer ~9mp system to get both color fidelity and edge acuity without artifacting, and then it needs raw or a benign, editable compression like ProRes.

            • PhilK

              Also, I think Nikon could address probably 50% of their lack of video appeal in their DSLRs with better video AF performance.

              But they either lack the tech to do this (eg because of Canon’s patent on dual-pixel AF) or their own native technology (which they also received a more recent patent on – IIRC it amounts to “quad pixel AF”) can’t be deployed because they need a sensor maker to implement it in a FF sensor and I’ll bet Sony is in no rush to do so.

            • Thom Hogan

              AFAIK Sony Semiconductor will make anything you ask them to, if you can show them how to do it (assuming they don’t already know). That’s actually how the Nikon/Sony sensor relationship started: Nikon’s knowledge of how to make steppers do things was instrumental to a lot of the things we take for granted today.

              As for autofocus performance for video, it’s algorithmic problems that Nikon has first and foremost, not hardware. That little burp they do at times just doesn’t play in the video world, but is tolerable with Live View.

            • Somebody should write a “Nikon CEO at start of 2008-ish” simulation game. Properly researched, could be textbook game for management training 🙂

            • PhilK

              The A7S II is 12MP.

              No one sells a 12MP DSLR for still photography any more, it would fail in the market.

              You’re welcome.

            • Cupsandpills

              nailed it. Feel exactly the same. for 70% of my shoots i dont need my Red Epic-W. I want a nikon to go with my nikon glass, not a sony with an adapter that loses clarity to get the same quality. there is no reason nikon needs to be 2 years behind the curve.

    • Andrew

      You might be in the minority if Nikon is not meeting your needs. But the concept of not meeting one’s needs is so nebulous at best. And besides, your statement needs quantification so please inform us about the areas specifically where Nikon is not meeting your needs.

      • Mark Pitsilos

        As far as my personal needs are concerned:
        * no focusing aids for manual Nikkor lenses

        As far as generally nice-to-have features are concerned, I can think of a few:
        * 2 identical card slots
        * 120fps FHD video (not a necessity but why not offer it?)
        * CD AF in live view up to par with Canon’s Dual Pixel AF

        • Captain Megaton

          * no focusing aids for manual Nikkor lenses

          There’s a rangefinder dot and carat system, and it may even offer the ILS bars with chipped lenses, my D3300 does.

          Oh … you mean in *liveview*. Ah ha ha ha. Nikon is still OFV centric, as befits a dSLR. They should probably get their act together and offer focus peaking in live view, on sensor PDAF, and 120 fps video, but the people for whom this is a dealbreaker are the people who would be better off with a mirrorless camera anyway.

        • ITN

          There is the electronic rangefinder in the form of two arrows and dot. I’ve found this to work well with some lenses for some applications (e.g. portrait with Zeiss 135/2) though not precise enough for some other lenses such as fast wide angles. Third party split image screens are available for most Nikon cameras though they may affect center spot meter accuracy. I personally don’t like focus peaking as when I’ve tried to use it the focus hasn’t really been where I wanted. It just didn’t seem precise enough though perhaps this is a matter of implementation. It also distracts from the subject. But the choice of which method to focus using is highly individual.

          Identical card slots would be nice in a situation where the industry has agreed on a standard high performance card type but this is not the case today. Many people want to be able to use SD cards in a pinch. Personally I would prefer dual XQD but can see why this is not happening.

          High fps video probably isn’t a priority for Nikon as this feature is for slow-motion applications and more a feature of a specialized video camera than a still camera that has some video capability built in. If a 120fps feature meant the still image quality had to be compromised to implement the fast sensor reads then this would work against the interests of the majority of the buyers of this camera who are in it for the best still image quality and performance.

          Dual pixel AF would require doubling the number of photosites on the sensor, i.e. 90MP. All those photosites would need to be read at high fps rates (90 MP at 9fps is a lot!) and the data processed in real time to focus and capture the images. Dual pixel is not implemented in Canon’s high resolution 5Ds either. It also may make it harder to implement full frame 4K recording.

      • Thom Hogan

        You are in a minority if Nikon IS meeting your needs. Specially, a 24% minority this year, down from the usual 33% and a high of 38%. Something about that number alone, ought to tell you that Nikon isn’t meeting someone’s needs.

        • Andrew

          Every camera that Nikon or any manufacturer comes out with is a trade-off. The recent notable ones whether the P900 83x optical zoom (I had to add this one in there as I love to see things at a distant), D750 which is quite liked by wedding photographers, D7200 which came with some needed refinements, D7500 with high-end features and low price, the D500 with its broad focus points and massive buffer, or the new D850 which looks quite promising all are trade-offs.

          But the fact that one can obtain professional results with these cameras with exceptional image quality and at arguably a reasonable price goes a long way towards meeting the needs of most photographers. People who need cameras buy them. And those who do not need a camera are in some cases looking for their wish list of features to come along to strong-arm them into buying.

          For him to say that Nikon does not give customers what they want is a none issue as perfection is far from attainable and trade-offs with technology constraints are inherent into features selection. But to make matters worse, he uttered what I suspected all along, his justification for his dissatisfaction with Nikon allegedly not meeting the needs of most of their customers is his desire to have 120 fps 1080p video and Canon’s Dual Pixel AF (not to mention the fact that Canon has been receiving complaints lately about crimped video on their high-end camera). This guy needs a video cam and apparently, for him, Nikon is not advancing its technology fast enough to fully merge camera functionality with his (personal) video requirements 😉 Ah, the need to spill ink to address such trivial concerns as expressed by this guy leaves me wondering why I ever respond to them 😉

      • Cupsandpills

        you would be surprised at how sought after 1080/120fps is in the world of video. Watch any good doc / music video / product video these days.

        • Andrew

          I think that Sony uses in their televisions clever technology to scale up the frame rate. But I think video performance is something that Nikon will try to address in their next generation mirrorless cameras but there may be some significant technology constraints.

          The Nikon 1 J5 mirrorless camera sports the following specs: “There are several high-speed modes as well, with frame rates ranging from 120 fps at 1280 x 720 to 1200 fps at 400 x 144.” As you can see pushing all of those pixels at a frame rate of 120 fps even for the J5 poses quite a challenge. I believe that Nikon was the first to give us 60 fps up from 30 fps for 1080p video. But with 4K videos becoming more prominent, the frame rate battle is not one that will be easily won 😉

    • What do they want? The 850 looks amazing and will still tonnes.

  • MB

    Seems to me the overall size of D850 and D810 is exactly the same …

    How many of you people actually use 1080 120fps video for anything else but slow motion?

    • Cupsandpills

      100000% the only reason i would get it is for 120fps. I currently use an A7S2 as a B-cam with my Red Epic, but the nikon glass on my sony isn’t as crisp as it is on nikon d800s. the D850, if 120fps would be the perfect Bcam and run and gun for me, but if they dont do 120fps ill stick to the sony.

      • MB

        That is all very nice but why do you do it if not for slow motion?

  • Gerard Roulssen

    3.800€ – well that’s a surprise, a nice one. I was expecting Nikopn to price this one way above 4.000€ …

  • I hope that lion shot is a still from video or not shot on d850 – or that they overexposed it to buggery. Otherwise ho hum

  • Michiel953

    So it’s actually a bit bigger than the D810. Where’s that D500 form factor (which I was very impressed with)?

    • tomskyphoto

      Doesn’t look bigger to me. I also can’t feel a real size and weight difference between my 810 and 500. The 810 just gives a bit chunkier impression due to its larger pentaprism and raised body shoulders.

      Weight (incl. battery and SD card) for the D810 is 980 grams, the D500 clocks in at 860 (official Nikon specs).

      Given its larger viewfinder components there’s no way that the D850 could weigh just 20 grams more than the DX D500.

      • Michiel953

        Very slightly bigger in the 810 comparison. Can’t imagine much of a weight loss. I was expecting/hoping for 900 grs.

  • Mike

    Would have bought immediately at upto $3499 – it would have been a
    stretch, but any higher and it its a non-go. This isn’t a need – it’s a
    want. I’ll keep my D800.

    • peter w

      D810 is 3299 euro, so this thing going up above at least 3500 euro was to be expected.

  • Adam Fo

    Backlit CMOS sensor with gapless microlens technology. Is that what Sony are using ? https://www.flickr.com/photos/134746128@N05/36346001260/in/dateposted/

    • Thom Hogan

      Gapless microlenses in Nikon bodies date back to at least the D3. The definition of “gapless” has changed a bit along the way, though, and with BSI sensors the need for gapless is less about light collection as light direction.

      BSI has slowly been working its way up from smartphones. It’s a costlier sensor technology than FSI. Moreover, the benefits from BSI accrue more highly on smaller photosites than large ones, because it’s mostly about fill factor. We had 100% fill factor in FX way back with the Kodak Pro 14n, for what it’s worth.

      Sensor technologies just keep iterating in small and useful ways.

      • Adam Fo

        Thanx Thom

  • br0xibear
    • thanks, will add to post

    • JasonsArgonauts

      Looks like they’ve gone with the deeper-sculpted grip like the D750 which is A GOOD THING. 🙂 Shutter button looks to be a tiny bit further forward, which again, would suit my hands well. Having moved from Canon 2 years ago now, it has to be said that Nikon really do have the ergonomics sorted a lot more than the big C. I didn’t notice until I moved over, but then the difference is REALLY apparent and the Nikon’s are a lot easier to hold on a 14-16 hour long wedding!

  • Amir

    Simple math: €3,799=CDN$5641 plus %13 tax equals CDN$6375! I believe the only person who may willingly purchase for this baby is the CEO of Nikon Canada!No installment,no discount,nothing!

    • Emma

      Isn’t the €3,799 price including the 19% German VAT/tax??
      If not, the 25% tax in my country would make it $5,597 and that seems ridiculous…
      I think €3,799 is a little bit too much anyway, but yeah we’ll see…

      • Michiel953

        Yes.

    • Adam Fo

      That price includes German MwSt @ 19%. All consumer prices by law in the EU must show the inclusive rate.
      For a website showing something aimed at trade or professional use the price shown is often exclusive. The reason for that is many sole traders and businesses are VAT registered and the VAT is reclaimed.

    • tomskyphoto

      €3,799 – 19% German VAT = €3,192

      €3,192 = CDN$4,010 + 13% tax = CDN$4,531

      Quite a difference, eh?

      • Chris

        But now you spoiled the whining. 🙂

  • JasonsArgonauts

    It’s a real shame that Nikon (and every other camera company besides Leica and Fuji) deem it necessary to keep their cameras black. The limited edition 100th anniversary models and the Fuji X-series in their titanium colours all look brilliant and I’m sure that if Nikon offered the colours at a standard price or with a few shades then they’d sell really well. It’s just a tool for me, and black is fine and very businesslike, but having a couple of options would be nice and would cost Nikon nothing more to produce!

    • Would need a lot more stock around the world at considerable cost.

    • Vince Vinnyp

      Black used to be “pro” and cost more over the silver versions. You could always get a DF.

      • JasonsArgonauts

        But everything is just a black ergonomic box nowaday, without a personality. The DF had personality, unfortunately, it was crap at autofocussing in anything but great light. Trust me, I had one and sold it! And yeah, I bought the silver one. The edges soon rubbed off though because it was a poor paint job!

  • So hardly a deal breaker but no built in WR-R10 and also will probably still need an adapter to use it and thereby make proper use of Nikon SB-5000 radio flash ?

    • Vince Vinnyp

      That’s a shame, where did you get that from. I have the WR10-set up and it works well but I would prefer if it at least some of the functionality were in camera now the built in flash has gone from the D850.

      • I was looking for confirmation

  • Actually it looks like my D500 and D810 could be replaced just by one D850. Of course its better to wait a while for real tests and reviews, plus for Adobe LR support… I still hope for same great DR as D810 has…
    Do you think the same that these two models could be replaced by D850?

  • Connor

    Had a few back and forth emails with panamoz sounds like they won’t have stock of the D850 for about 2-3 weeks after the launch/announcement so that would tie in with the mid September release.

    They don’t have a rough price yet however they said that if I compared the price of a 5D IV in the UK vs the price they charge I could expect a similar conversion that makes my bank account happy.

    • Adam Fo

      I don’t think I’d buy an early mk1 electronic item from a grey importer…

      • Connor

        I’ve bought from them for the past 5 years, they were quick to get my A7Rii shutter fixed. And my insurance company covers grey imports anyway. Given all the trouble Nikon has had with the D750 I don’t think they will want a repeat of that and there’s no way i’m paying full UK retail

        • Adam Fo

          I buy do grey, £1595 for a D810 from HDEW for example (actually £1329 as I’m vat registered) and £895 (£746 ex vat) for a Nikkor 14-24 f2.8, but wait 2 years from launch till the bugs are ironed out !
          Since Brexit UK grey prices have gone up and are now no cheaper than the US

  • A. I.

    Schneider makes top of the line optics on par with Cooke and Zeiss, but these are incredibly expensive and meant for serious professionals. I would be surprised if they had sold dozens of F mount cine lenses if at all. There’s no feasible market for this.

    People have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that Nikon dropped the ball on video and will never catch up at this point because it’s financially ruinous to change mounts this late in the game.

    • Reggie

      LOL, so originally you say, and I quote

      “The only Cine lens with a Nikon mount is probably an off-brand hacked up $200 Rokinon. Just tells you where the market is when it comes to video.”

      When this is disproven, you say “Schneider makes top of the line optics on par with Cooke and Zeiss, but these are incredibly expensive and meant for serious professionals.”

      But I thought the only lenses were hacked up Rokinons? Funny that when presented with data contrary to your previous belief, it only strengthens it.

      Did they drop the ball up until now? Yes. Financially ruinous to change mounts? No, Panasonic did it a few years ago, and now they’re pretty popular for video. And they wouldn’t have to any way. To say that it would be a bad thing for them to spend a little money to catch up in the one or two ways they’re behind Canon for video is spectacularly stupid. Especially when the market is moving more and more towards convergence devices.

      You remind me of the market prognosticators a few years back spelling doom for Nvidia if they didn’t drop their pursuit of their Tegra line and focus back on their bread and butter, PC gaming. They ignored that advice, though they shifted where Tegra was aimed. Worked out OK for them.

      Advice to a company to bury their head in the sand and pursue a market that is quickly diminishing to zero is so lacking in foresight it’s dumbfounding. Nikon is behind, but to say they can’t ever catch up is asinine. There are new entrants to the market all the time, and clearly people willing to hop brands. Will they catch up? Who knows. But I can tell you that if they follow your advice they’re going to go the way of the dodo bird.

      • A. I.

        Nothing I said contradicts any of my earlier assertions.

        I challenge you to go to Sharegrid or any other rental outlet and find a cine lens with F mount that’s not a rehoused mod or off-brand shitty glass like Rokinon.

        Even a company like Sigma that targets the long tail and traditionally has been great for Nikon users has no F mount option on their cine lenses. https://www.sigma-global.com/en/cine-lenses/products/ff-high-speed-prime/

        Schneider having an F mount option is not evidence that there’s a market or if customers are buying it. BFD! Who’s stupid enough to drop $8,000 on such a lens?

        Nikon is in deep trouble and no amount of gimmicks is going to revive their video efforts. It’ll be purely a novelty on their cameras as it has been on a D90, D7000, D750, D810, etc. Just an endless stream of letdowns.

        Video market lives and dies on the back of the ecosystem that supports it and for Nikon there’s none outside of stills. Everything meaningful is geared towards big boys like RED, Panasonic, Canon, Sony, et. al.

        It would take a very long time for Nikon to claw itself out of the hole and consistently put out hardware that isn’t embarrassingly bad for video. But with the way technology is moving it’s probably too little too late.

      • PhilK

        I think the product where Nikon really has to do video right is the upcoming mirrorless.

        If they are smart, they will make a serious contender for top-of-class in video functionality with that product, as well as a competitive still camera, and then have two strong product lines with strengths in different areas to give customers a nice differentiated choice.

  • Cupsandpills

    Why would they get rid of the 120fps? That literally killed this camera for me. My sony a7s2 with my Nikon adapter will have to do. Cmon Nikon get with the times

  • mas921

    bummer…

  • Originaru

    Button placement is finally perfect!
    This is the ideal Button placement i always wanted, the only thing i have against is that i really liked the d700 AF lever it does not have it anymore.
    OBS: They are each and every iteration going into Canon direction of the handling shutter placement, interesting fact, which i agree is one of the best because it enables the camera to be smaller at the same time easier to grip.

  • Rich

    Got to say – I think this rumour has been running so long I think the hype has worn off – for me at least. Looks like a nice camera though – perhaps the last great digital SLR?

  • Josh Boak

    I’m gonna be extremely pissed if I can’t select 1080p at 120fps.

    • Cupsandpills

      precisely.

  • T N Args

    I hope the size is a bit smaller than the projected size comparison shown here.

  • 120_300 OS for nikon

    Can we stop with that stupid first because the only who is first is peter the great ADMIN he is the one and only Amen thanks again Peter !

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