There is no Nikon D760 or D850 (yet)

Some websites are reporting that Nikon will introduce new D760 and D850 cameras this month. I am pretty sure this will not happen. I already mentioned that as far as I know there is no D850 camera, even though the D850 model makes sense after the D750/D7500/D5/D500. To the best of my knowledge, the D810 replacement will be called D820 and not D850. Regarding the D750 replacement - I do not expect anything to happen anytime soon (maybe in late 2017 or in 2018).

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  • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

    Thank you for the update.

  • manattan

    The 810 is still their best camera. Best DR, best IQ, best shutter, best jack of all trades. There are some easy add ones for the 820, like a BSI higher res sensor, the D5 AF, touch screen, wifi, etc. Nikon could have piecemealed these things into the 820, 830, etc. and likely still had winners. Not sure what they are waiting on.

    • HD10

      The D810 may be good but Nikon cannot afford to sit on its laurels. The D810 sensor or an even better one, on the D500-like body, would be a natural progression as a D810 replacement.

      • MB

        D810 already has D500 like body, only a bit larger to accommodate for larger pentaprism…

        • D810 doesn’t have a tilting screen, which I regard as a positive feature.

          • MB

            That’s true, D750 also has a tilting screen so why not D8xx …

          • T.I.M

            I hate tilting screens, it is one of the reasons why I did not buy the D500, I like to keep things simple.
            If the D820/D900 come with a tilting screen then I’m keeping my D800.

            • I was concerned, but I don’t mind it. I only wish it swiveled and flipped so I could keep the LCD covered. And that the touch worked to select the AF point like my GX7.

            • I have a silting tureen you can borrow.

            • It’s useful but you don’t need to use it. Like video. So I hope Nikon ignores you :-). You’ll suck it up and upgrade anyway.

              I like being able to shoot from the waist without stooping, especially when photographing children, and likewise for macro shots at ground level. And I can frame overhead shots in a way that’s impossible without a lot of setup or guesswork. I really like the flip out screens because you can face them inward (both to protect them and to stop them from lighting up and ruining your night vision).

        • D810 has a flash. (yes, a lack of flash is a selling point for some of us!)

        • HD10

          Not really. Here are just a few of the differences:

          – D500 is lighter
          – D500 has a better and more comfortable grip than the D810
          – Very fast responsive and fast AF with group AF option
          – 153 points AF, 99 cross type (vs 51 points AF, 15 cross type)
          – AF joystick
          – Articulating screen
          – Touchscreen
          – higher reslution rear screen (2,359,000 vs 1,229,00 pixels)

          • ITN

            The D810 does have group area AF.

            Grip shapes are quite subjective; different people have different hand and finger sizes.

            Multi-CAM 20k is nice and should by itself sell a lot of D810 successors.

            • HD10

              Group AF in D810 hardly comparable to the D500 Group AF due to the Multi-CAM 20k.

            • ITN

              It is the same concept, has the same name and produces similar results. Multi-CAM 20k cameras are faster to focus but group area AF works perfectly fine on the D810.

            • manattan

              Actually group AF in the D810 is more useful than the D500, becuase the group is too big in the D500 but is almost perfect for the D810.

            • HD10

              A smaller AF group option for the D500 will certainly help but Nikon may think that this will put the D500 AF at par with the D5 and it may not want that to differentiate the D5 better. As to the D810, my concern is faster and more responsive AF, including group AF rather than the D810 not having the group AF.

          • Thom Hogan

            I think the point is that all of the things you’re calling out have nothing to do with the “body style.” You can put all of those on the current D810 body, other than perhaps making it lighter.

            • HD10

              I wasn’t thinking about body-style but rather body-features.

              All the improved features of the D500 other than the DX sensor, mated to an FX sensor of 36mp or higher, is to me a natural progression of the D810.

            • Thom Hogan

              Given Nikon’s historical update policies, I think that’s a done deal. Pro features introduced in D# series work down into other pro cameras first.

            • HD10

              I concur … and is the reason why I stated it as so.

            • decisivemoment

              Oh, I think they could make it lighter. Certainly smaller. You can retain the current base plate for the sake of grip and QR plate compatibility, but get rid of the bulge on the back for the screen by moving the logic board to the side like in the D750 and D500 so that there’s really nothing in between the sensor and the TFT assembly, and you’ve just shrunk the volume of the camera by shrinking the depth and it finally starts to assume film camera proportions. The D750 and D500 are both shallower than other Nikon bodies (not to mention Canon) despite the tilt screen because of this switch in internal design. Makes them nicer to hold too. And much as I hate to admit it, I can easily see the tilt screen making the body stronger because now there’s a true solid backplate to the camera itself and not just a gap for the TFT–if a tilt screen breaks off it is what it is and it can be replaced, but if a back frame snaps because of a grossly inadequate design to allow a regular TFT, it’s the end of the camera.

          • MB

            I tough we are talking about the body not trivialities …

            • HD10

              Trivialities? These differences change a D300 to a D500. For many D500 users, the enhancements in the D500 makes a big difference. I would not buy a new Nikon dSLR for less features than what the D500 has … the D810 replacement included.

            • MB

              Ok … you are right everybody else is wrong, life is cruel etc …

            • HD10

              Peace to you. We are just exhanging our views here.

        • Gilboa

          According to measurements I read, the D500 is the same depth and actually slightly wider than the D810, but also slightly lower than it of course due the DX formats smaller prism.

      • Bob Newman

        The D500 is a D750-like body (just different controls – only switches, nothing fundamental). The D810 has a kind of hybrid body, a plastic chassis grafted into the D800 to correct the cracking problem. I would expect the new camera to be much more D750/D500 like.

    • Chris

      Not the best DR and color rendering for handheld use. But overall it’s quite good. If you want one to use on the go, I’d recommend d750.

      What Nikon needs is to refresh d750 first with a better body and cut d610. Current d750 can stay in production and substitute d610.

      I used d810, d750, and df; and had compared them under the same scenario.

      • RC Jenkins

        I’d agree. I also did both the D810 and D750, and I find the D750 to be a better ‘jack of all trades,’ though both are good in this respect.

        The D810 has only fractionally better DR at base ISO 64–at all other ISO’s (starting at ISO 100), the D750 is superior by roughly half a stop (give-or-take, depending on the source). The D750 is also faster than the D810.

        I think the D810 leans more towards high resolution landscape or studio photography (great for tripod shots), while the D750 is a bit more flexible and forgiving.

        But I’d like to see the D810 successor before the D750 successor. I think it needs to have specs & features that are useful for calculated, tripod shooting. Ultra high resolution BSI sensor, pixel shift & IBIS, star tracking, etc. All that stuff. Make it Nikon’s IQ king.

        • decisivemoment

          I like the 1/8000th shutter, the true 1/250th and sorta-true 1/320th flash sync and the control layout myself. It’s not just a studio camera.

          • RC Jenkins

            You’re arguing specific features that are better at extremes (which I agree with). The D810 is clearly better in those respects. You’re also arguing subjective control layout, which I won’t argue with, since it’s 100% subjective.

            I never claimed that the D810 is just a studio camera.

            But these extremes are not the question. The question is in balanced performance, which refers to the middle, not extrema.

            Saying that you like 1/8000th shutter (a single extreme value) is just like saying “I like ISO 64.” Cool? But I like ISO 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, etc. on the D750–which is a more practical and balanced range.

            The D810 is also Nikon’s slowest current FF camera at only 5 FPS. And the worst performing higher ISO current Nikon FF camera. So it’s not a particularly good sports & action shooter.

            So if you look in terms of the FF spectrum: The D810 offers more extreme low ISO / high resolution image quality at the cost of speed & low light performance; while the D5 offers more extreme high ISO (low light) & speed at the cost of low ISO / high resolution image quality.

            The D750 offers an excellent middle ground. It’s not quite as capable at the extrema as either of these; but it’s also better outside of the extrema than each of these. That’s why it’s well balanced.

            In other words, say I shoot a little bit of everything: sports, wildlife, landscapes, portraits, weddings, astro, street, etc.

            If I have 2 Nikons, I’d want a D810 & D5.

            But if I have only 1 camera, it’s the D750.

    • Troy Phillips

      I myself would like to see an updated camera with the same sensor. Maybe the phase detection on the sensor where you have Phase detection in live view and video. Dual pixel or whatever it’s called. THe d5 autofocus system and tilt and touch screen if it has the Phase detection on the sensor. This is a huge plus for so many things. With the d5 autofocus system and processor it could have a higher fps rate . Better weather seals never can not have good weather sealing. Larger buffer and dual XQD cards. I really like the XQD cards . Better video autofocus which would be better with the dual pixel deal. I’m not sure how it works exactly but we need it. 4K video that’s not heavily cropped. No flip up flash.
      The better processor would even make the 36mp sensor preform better , I’m pretty sure. Definitely keep the ISO 64 , I doubt they could get that to 50 native.
      Keeping a 36mp sensor and upgrading the rest of the came would make it a better all around camera. Or give people a choice 36 or maybe the 42mp Sony and a 50+ mp sensor. 36mp is at the edge of having to push the camera to higher shutter speeds to compensate for high resolution pixel blurring. I’d try and keep up with all the innovations the Mirrorless guys are coming up with instead of only pushing the Megapixels. An all around camera for the working masses I think will sell better than a 20mp d760 and a 50+mp d820.
      Or upgrade the d760 to a 36mp and make it the same build as the d810. Then make a d820 with 50+ mp and keep the d6xx entry level at the d750 build quality. But with that update the camera layout to match the new 760/820. And also have a button for U1/U2 for people wanting this on the upper end cameras.

    • Sebastian

      The sensor?

    • kentoney

      Agreed, D810 has the best sensor of any Nikon ever made.

  • zombietimeshare

    I am underwhelmed with something at this news of no news.

  • Andoz Krishnadas

    Thanks admin over time I’ve come to realise that if its on the Internet and if it’s a rumor and if its nikon related and it’s not on nikon rumours it’s probably fan fiction at best 🙂 … that said I’m really waiting on a d820 my d800e seeks retirement is well over 500 k thanks to birding and time lapse 🙂

    • Michiel953

      Does it still function Andoz? Post a pic; 500k clicks is impressive!

    • I basically don’t care about the BS other sites post online, but then I start getting emails with questions and then I hav to make a post like this one to update everyone.

      • br0xibear

        Does this mean Nikon aren’t buying Samsung Cameras, and Sony aren’t buying Nikon ?
        lol

        • Broxibear, you are guilty as well 🙂 once you create those fake Nikon cameras, other websites catch them and report them as real… then I start getting the emails and I have to make a post about it…. the magic rumor circle 🙂

          • br0xibear

            I can’t discuss it, I’ve signed an NDA with myself, lol.

  • Viktor

    That just means I am not going to buy anything from Nikon (yet)…. That just saves me money for some Sigma, Zeiss or Irix 😀

  • gnome

    Just to make sure I understand – in this post you are only saying that the D810 replacement will not be called D850, not that there will be no replacement in April. So there is still a chance that the D820 will arrive soon? I need to get a new body before July, so I really hope so… Last thing I want is to get a D810 just before its replacement arrives.

    • Correct, the D820 should be coming soon.

      • Michiel953

        Thought so. Is the difference in nomenclature important?

        • ZoetMB

          Only to the anal-retentives who inhabit this site.

        • decisivemoment

          It might suggest that Nikon is acknowledging they shouldn’t reinvent the wheel, break compatibility with all existing accessories or totally alter the control layout; in other words, that they understand this is a case where old-fashioned iteration is a good thing. They’ve got a pretty good platform; it would simply benefit from an update.

      • sickheadache

        Coming Soon? How soon is Coming Soon?

        • MB

          Just after they sell current D810 stock …

          • T.I.M

            It does take some time to take off the D810 logo and replace it with a D820 one.
            (and also upgrade the firmware and manual)

        • Most likely in the summer

        • Ric of The LBC

          goes to 11 soon.

      • Mistral75

        May be not that soon. There is no DSLR registered by radiocommunications authorities apart from D7500 (code name N1610) that was registered on December 14th last year by Postel and will be announced next week.

      • T.I.M

        May 25th ?

      • animalsbybarry

        How soon????

        • don’t have a date yet

      • gnome

        Thank you, keeping my fingers crossed it arrives on time for me.

    • Michiel953

      No, get a D810 after its replacement has arrived. You’ll save a bundle on a truly great camera.

    • Any D8xx “announcement” is not likely to be followed by the words “available immediately” unless the upgrades are so infinitesimally small that no one cares. If it is a “D820” you’ll likely see that new focus module, snap bridge and a $3.1k price tag. If it is a D850 and it we don’t hear about it by the end of April, they won’t be in anyone’s hands before July. Just a gut feeling on my part.

    • T.I.M

      I you get the D820/D900 it will be at high price, several weeks to get delivery and your camera will probably have bugs that will need to be fix in few months by sending it back to Nikon (or by firmware updates at best).

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        True be a hard act to decide whether the features of D820 will be worthwhile over the excellent D800 / D810

  • sickheadache

    Peter the Party Pooper!!! lol

  • T.I.M

    I’m totally broke so the D820/D900 should be announced soon….

    • Jeffry De Meyer

      if that was true there wouldn’t have been any interesting releases the past year

      • T.I.M

        That’s my point, I broke NOW because I spent too much last year….

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Probably unfortunately be on par with 5D MK 4 £3499 or maybe touching £3999 / £3999

  • terress

    It would be great to have 2 XQD memory type cards in an 820 or 850.

    • T.I.M

      I hope we will get a nice 16MP FX sensor, I could use my old 1GB Kodak CF cards !

    • Farhad H.

      It will not. Possibly the same XQD+SD

      • Thom Hogan

        That would be an interesting choice by Nikon. They’ve tended to respect pro use card selection (even the D5 is available in a CF version).

        • Eric Calabros

          Why a pro would possibly​ choose SD?

          • Thom Hogan

            SD now nearly as fast as CFlash, less expensive. Like I said, Nikon has tended to stay with historic card use in the pro models, which would be CF, but CF is gone long-term.

            • I’ve noticed these card speeds (and how fast they read/write on my desktop)–why are the manufacturers so hesitant to put a suitably fast controller in a camera using SD? Example: the A99ii

            • Thom Hogan

              Cost, basically.

              I really think the camera makers are making the wrong decision on this. This mimics a time in the PC industry when the bean counters had control over designs, and the same thing happened: users perceived the companies as not keeping up with the times and slowed or stopped their buying until real innovation or leading edge products appeared.

              We see this all over on the camera: USB ports aren’t 3.1, most aren’t even 3.0; Wi-Fi is not current 802.11ac in many cases, let alone the best performing parts; few products get XQD or CFlash or UHS-II, let alone at the full speeds those technologies can sustain. All around the camera you see pennies being taken out here and there, because, after all, we sell millions of them. Oh wait, hundreds of thousands of them. Oh wait, tens of thousands of them…

      • Allen_Wentz

        Gawd I hope not. SD cards suck.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      I hope it will have the same configuration as the D500.

      • Allen_Wentz

        XQD is the future for higher-end cameras, especially those with large files sizes or with high frame rates. SD sucks.

        The D500 XQD+SD configuration is a big negative to D500 performance. I need to first pull out the lame SD card to optimize D500 performance, which means losing the benefit of having two cards.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Thanks for getting us back on topic…

  • Aldo

    So if it’s a d820 and not a d850 that means it’s gonna be a d810 with snapbridge. More reason to get out and shoot with what you have now instead of sitting around waiting for new cameras.

    • T.I.M

      You’re sitting around, right now I have one hand on the camera taking pictures of the Eiffel tower lights and the other hand on my phone typing this message….

      • Aldo

        Maybe you shouldn’t be on your phone when you are in front of the Eiffel tower except to post a selfie maybe? That means you aren’t having enough fulfillment.

      • T.I.M

        Note that it become more and more difficult to take pictures of the Eiffel tower’s lights, they get turned off every time there is a terrorist attack somewhere in the world.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          True instead of people trying to make a quick buck in copyrighting everything going – we should be more and more focused as a united race of people to suppress terrorism and division.

          • T.I.M

            The only solution against wars & terrorism is no religions at all.

            • thundrrd

              Sounds like a religion.

            • T.I.M

              It is, it’s called peace.

      • Brubabs

        Also, by French law the lights of the Eiffel Tower are copyrighted and you cannot legally photograph them.

        • T.I.M

          Wrong, it is not private but a French public monument and you have the right to take pictures of it and even sell theses pictures.
          I learned that in photography school, long time ago.
          I sold, publish & print many French (and other countries) public monuments without any issue.

          • Seems like you’re both right. Technically, it’s illegal (which is silly) and practically they don’t sue unless it’s very high profile (e.g. in a Hollywood movie or something). When I was studying film-making I was told to cover up every logo etc. which seems ridiculous to me but it’s a huge deal. It’s why US TV shows are full of Apple products with taped over logos. (One Arnie movie was pulled because a fictional company had the name of a real company, so they had to matte over every image and loop relevant dialog.)

            • T.I.M

              Thanks, next time I take pictures of the pyramids, I’ll make sure I send a SMS to pharaoh Tutankhamun.
              :o)

            • The Eiffel Tower itself has passed into public domain (according to the same article). It’s crazy to me that people can copyright things that are part of one’s environment, but apparently that’s the law in many places. (Similarly, on theory you can’t post photos you take of sporting events or even, say, tweet about the results.)

            • ZoetMB

              While theoretically, you could be sued if you used a logo in a commercial film without permission, the reality is that the opposite is true. Product placement is a business unto itself. The reason why those logos are covered up is not because the filmmakers are afraid of getting sued but because the production company isn’t getting paid for a product placement.

              Although laws vary from country to country, in general a public building can be used in any way you wish. It’s different for a private building and the owners of the Empire State Building have gone after people who have made commercial use of the building’s image. But in general, there is no expectation of privacy (in the U.S.) in a public place and that goes for buildings as well as people. So if you want to photograph a shopping mall from the street, you can, but the mall owners can stop you from photographing inside the mall.

          • Brubabs

            It’s not the tower, it’s the lighting that is under current copyright law.

            Copied from a website: ‘The Eiffel Tower is no longer under copyright protection (aka in the public domain), which allows for photos of the structure. However, the lighting design is a recent addition and the Société d’Exploitation de la Tour Eiffel, the organization managing the structure, maintain that the lighting is an artistic work separate from the structure itself. As such, the artistic lighting is not in the public domain, and without the EU Copyright Directive providing limitations, French law prevails. According to the Eiffel Tower website, taking photos during the day is permitted, “however, its various illuminations are subject to author’s rights as well as brand rights. . . Usage of these images is subject to prior request from the Société d’Exploitation de la Tour Eiffel.”’

            Isn’t that just nuts?

            • T.I.M

              That’s probably why the lights get turned off so often, they don’t want people to steal the lights design!
              This is ridiculous because without the tower, light don’t worth anything, so if it is an artist work, they should pay France to have the right to use the Tower to show off the lights.

            • Thom Hogan

              Yes, it is. Because the lighting tends to be active (changing), not static. Thus we’re almost immediately into fair use territory taking a still.

            • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

              Does that now mean you cannot take photos and videos of living Artistic performers like Mick Jagger, Elton John as there faces and images can be copy righted.

              Like this article on the late Robin Williams

              https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/31/robin-williams-restricted-use-of-his-image-for-25-years-after-his-death

        • T.I.M

          By the way, there is no such things as “laws” in France anymore.
          France is now a giant mess, we even have a president riding a scooter to go see his secret girlfiend…
          :o)

        • Mike

          That sounds silly. Does the light bulb manufacturers get a portion?

    • Michiel953

      DR?

      • Aldo

        uh?

    • C-M

      The naming 820 for a successor with new AF and sensor , processor and all other bits is illogical as it’s not an S update like the D800->D810
      It’ll be D850/D900

      • Sawyerspadre

        How do we know it has a new AF system? I think we can bet on a new sensor, with more MP. Maybe the new high MP sensor and the new AF like the D5, is being reserved for Thom’s new D5x.

    • Max

      A D811

      • Farhad H.

        Or even may be 810.25

        • Max

          Lol!

        • nwcs

          D810s

          • TheInconvenientRuth

            D810X, more likely…

            • nwcs

              Nikon has done a few s models. Maybe s=snapbridge in this case.

            • TheInconvenientRuth

              But “S” usually means a minor overall upgrade or speed upgrade whareas “x” used to mean a RESOLUTION boost, which is what most expect from a D810 replacement.

            • nwcs

              Unless it’s a D810 with only snapbridge. That’s what’s started us on this thread. 🙂

  • SpecialMan

    Buzz killer!

  • Just waiting for a D810 with D500/D5 focus sensor.

    • Shubhabrata Adhikary

      Same here, initially heard it’s going to be announced this April, now it’s D7500 , god how long to wait more ????!!!

  • D5X 60-70 MP $6999

  • D810 still does the job.

    • T.I.M

      So does the D800
      :o)

      • Sawyerspadre

        So does the D700 😉

        • T.I.M

          I had one, great camera but cleaning the sensors weekly was a PAIN IN A CUL

  • I think you needed yours two years ago 🙂

  • luca

    I don’t want to see the same (very good, indeed) things from Nikon, but I wanna see:

    1) an IBIS system (probably I will not see it, just my instinct says so…)
    2) an articulated touch screen
    3) a better AF with a Dual Pixel technology inside.
    4) a BSI sensor (please Sony stop keeping all of them for you!)
    5) a very VERY quiet shutter mechanism (ala 5D mark IV), possibly even with a totally electronic curtain, that would mean silent! (WITHOUT Mup, NiKON!)
    6) Wi-Fi and GPS integrated with a better implementation of Snapbridge, which is not snappy at all 😀
    7) An integration of OVF and EVF of some sort…
    8) a much better video implementation (see point n. 3)

    I really don’t care about MP, DR, and IQ … that are already top notch….

    • Wesley

      Adding my 2 cents.

      – U1/U2 on the mode selector
      – Auto AF fine tune 2.0
      – Integrated strap hooks
      – 75%+ AF point coverage
      – 14bit sRAW / mRAW
      – A feature that creates a file of all my current settings & lets me import it into a different but same camera model.

      • luca

        I do have to agree!

      • Sawyerspadre

        So are you saying that these would be mode options, but still with the pro control layout? Interesting, so spinning the main (rear) control wheel would go P,S,A,M,U1,U2?

        I have to admit that the implementation of U1 and U2 on the D750 and down is probably more intuitive and elegant, but this gets you U1 and U2 and you can keep the pro D500esque control layout. It’s a problem solver.

        Better yet, just have it on the touchscreen, in addition. You could have a U1 screen and swipe to your U2, U3 etc. the new-school kids would swipe, the old dogs (term of endearment) can have the mode button + command dial finger calisthenics.

        • Wesley

          Whether they put it on the mode dial, screen swiping, or as touch buttons on the info screen is fine by me, just want the feature added.

    • Thom Hogan

      You don’t care about DR but you want a BSI sensor? Please resolve your own conflicting statement. In essence, you just wrote “I want more expensive sensors.”

      • thundrrd

        Thom, I have to say, I always appreciate your opinion – you make me think … more – so I am asking the question, why did you say luca wrote a conflicting statement … I am just trying to understand more. Thank you.

        • Thom Hogan

          BSI basically flips the sensor over, allowing the photo diodes to fill the full area of sensor rather than a portion of the area (electronics take the other portion in FSI). So, in essence, a BSI sensor the same as a FSI one will have more fill factor (more light capturing area). It also has more flexibility for electronics, as you’re no longer trying to minimize the space they take.

          Where we have the same sensor that’s FSI and BSI and can compare (e.g. certain Sony RX100 models), the net gain was about 1/3 stop DR. There were probably some electronic speed differences due to more electronic space on chip (e.g. faster sensor refresh/offload).

      • luca

        Sony in its implementation has used BSI for more MP and (high) ISO perf rather than more DR. I ‘m much more interested in the latter of the two so you see contradictions where there aren’t.

        As for the price it’s pretty easy and intuitive knowing that the next hi-end Nikon Dsrl will be in the 3200-3500$£€ range as lately this is the price of those kind of cameras, no matter if they have BSI or not… Hi-tech pro bodies have raised their prices in the years and there are many reasons for that. Anyway I truly hope the coming Sony A7R 3 will not raise the price’s bar!

        For me BSI is only a good reason for Nikon to develop a solution for a stabilized sensor, or, at least, a more quiet shutter mechanism. Probably right now what’s available to Nikon from the Sony’s catalog in terms of BSI is rather limited.

        • Thom Hogan

          You wrote “I really don’t care about MP, DR…” Then you tell me what BSI can provide, and it’s MP and DR. That is a contradiction, short and simple.

          Stacked sensors are different thing.

          • luca

            I already wrote you: I’m looking for high ISO performance. So there is no contradiction.

            And you was wrong: “A back-illuminated sensor, also known as backside illumination (BSI or BI) sensor, is a type of digital image sensor that uses a novel arrangement of the imaging elements to increase the amount of light captured and thereby improve low-light performance.” (Wikipedia)

            MP and DR are a _side_ effect of this and they depend largely on what you want to get with your sensor in terms of project. Infact Sony in its implementation went for more MP and basically a _worse_ DR of its previous 36MP CMOS. Low light performance – instead – are far better (considering 42MP vs. 36MP) in its 42MP BSI CMOS. (source: Dxomark)

  • idefixx

    it must have been quite frustrating to be the admin of a nikon rumor site recently. thanks for keeping it up nevertheless…

  • Wesley

    At this point, I’d want quality of life features.

    – U1/U2 on the mode selector
    – Auto AF fine tune 2.0
    – Integrated strap hooks
    – Touchscreen LCD
    – Canon dual pixel AF like feature
    – 75%+ AF point coverage
    – 14bit sRAW / mRAW
    – A feature that creates a file of all my current settings & lets me import it into a different but same camera model.

    Anyone got more to add?

  • I’m just going by an article I found by an IP lawyer after googling the subject. The opposite is not true — if you portray a serial killer as always drinking Heineken then you might discover your movie cannot be screened. Product placement is an industry, but companies want very tight control over how their brands are portrayed.

  • Urgh. My d800 needs retiring. Full frame 4k pls. 38mp would give a 1:1 super 35 crop 4k crop. Wahhh. Me wanna

    • T.I.M

      I own a retirement house for D800 & D800e, we charge only $1 a month.
      :o)

      • Dont get me wrong, I love my d800. Its just getting a bit beaten up and things are starting to not work. I dont want to buy a d810 now if the d820/850/900/wateverthehelltheyllcallit is just round the corner

  • HotDuckZ

    Ouch, want 4k 1:1 in D820.

    • T.I.M

      4K is fine but you need a very large 4K TV or you won’t see the difference.

      • HotDuckZ

        Hi, 4k is mean more $$$ for stock video work. 1:1 is gave me a longer reach but less $$$. That why I’m so excited.

        • John Albino

          How much video work do you do versus still work? Seems to me if video is your main bread-and-butter you’d probably be better off with a dedicated video rig than a Swiss Army Knife….

          • HotDuckZ

            I love photography but I can get more money from stockvideo & YouTube. Then all-in-one is great solution. :3

  • Steve

    Peter I hear they have stopped production of the 810 few months’ ago. So a year to wait seems unusual…

  • Fly Moon

    Kind of a related question. I need to buy a FF camera and I can’t wait for the upcoming D8xx. Has anyone used this eBay seller? eBay reviews look very good but thought to check with my peeps here at NR. Thanks

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEAL-Limited-Time-Stock-NEW-Nikon-D810-Digital-SLR-Camera-DSLR-Body-Only-Kit-/272457458366?_trkparms=5373%3A0%7C5374%3AFeatured

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b7c62da362a27b56c90d983e74faffdc6a9c09e1bb270fd51079051ca9f22c4.png

    • Sawyerspadre

      I haven’t done business with this seller. It looks like the camera is a gray market unit, so Nikon USA doesn’t cover warranty and probably won’t repair. That said, if you need it for a project, and you like the price, it may be a good deal for you. I have seen folks buy gray, for a project and sell it as soon as they are done. I would give it a good check over as soon as you get it, to determine if it’s good to go, and return it right away if you see any issues.

  • Mistral75

    Indeed but this external accessory would in turn have to be registered. Since none has been apart from the 2012 WU-1A and WU-1B it means one of those would have to be used, i.e. WI-fi only, no NFC, no Bluetooth (even though Bluetooth wireless controllers have been registered), no SnapBridge, etc.

    To sum it up, highly improbable.

    • Thom Hogan

      What if it uses the existing WT that the D810 and D5 share? ;~)

      • Mistral75

        WT wireless transmitters are WiFi only: no Bluetooth, no NFC.

        • Sawyerspadre

          Which maybe is how they should be?

        • Thom Hogan

          Sure. But so what? The WT-6 on my D5 is faster, more stable, supports longer distances, and talks to my computer or router.

          From a pro perspective, those are more important things than “sends reduced photos to your camera roll and gives you a remote shutter release with lag.”

  • eric

    i dont see any reason to upgrade from a d810 unless nikon unveils a small medium format camera. i mean if you can’t take great photos with the d810, you aren’t very good, or you need to buy better glass.

    • Bob Thane

      Yeah, maybe you can take great photos with the D810, but maybe you can take better photos with the D820/D850.

      Like you can take great photos with the D610, but people still buy the D810. And you can take great photos with the D3300, but people still buy the D610.

      • eric

        the d820 would have to be a huge increase in megapixels to take different photos with it and even then its only going to be minimal unless you’re printing huge mural style images. the “better” syndrome is more of an amateur gear head thing in my opinion and is not really something most pros ever talk about. i got into Nikon at the d810 level, so I do not know any comparisons with the other models. all I know is d810 is a class above anything else for detailed digital prints, based on the digital prints ive seen.

        • Bob Thane

          We always say this. “Oh the D700 is all you’ll ever need, 12 MP is plenty for billboards and it’s good up to ISO 3200!” Then the D800 comes out. “Oh the D800 is all you’ll ever need, 36 MP is way overkill, it’s good to ISO 6400, and removing the AA filter doesn’t really matter!” Then the D810 comes out. “Oh the D810 is all you’ll ever need, 36 MP is plenty for any use, it’s good to ISO 6400, and with the AA filter removed it’s perfect!” Then the D820 will come out. “Oh the D820 is all you’ll ever need, 46 MP is perfect, it’s good to ISO 8000 with the BSI, and it has 4k video!” Then the D850 will come out. “Oh the D850 is the only camera anyone will ever need, 46 MP is still plenty, it’s good up to ISO 12800, and it does 7 fps!” etc. etc. etc.

    • Allen_Wentz

      On the one hand that oft-heard truism is mostly correct, but on the other hand photography is not just about capturing a few great photos with a given piece of hardware.

      Much of what comes with new models is improved ability to “get the shot” in by-definition-limited time. Things like AF, buffer, frame rates, higher ISO and the like mean any given photog can get more successful captures with newer hardware (once it is learned) than the same photog would with older hardware.

      Another parameter that often gets improved is comfort/ease-of-use. The tilt display of the D500, for instance, is a huge value add for tripod usage as well as for shooting high or low. I would call losing the built-in flash an ease-of-use improvement too, but some others disagree.

      We are spoiled by how really good Nikon DSLRs have been in this regard, but another important area that slowly improves with new bodies is color. Changes over time have been mostly tiny, but they are definitely present and color reproduction has improved over the long term.

    • Gilboa

      There’s always room for improvement otherwise we’d all still be living in caves! Anyway…Nikon retain the same res if you like but add non-cropped 4K video and improve everything around it. Basically give us a FF version of the D500 but without that camera’s crippling 4K crop factor, and I think everybody will be happy!

      • eric

        I actually live in a cave but I get your point. Incremental change is always possible but it doesn’t always make me want it.

  • decisivemoment

    Good, I’m glad to see it’s a “D820”. That’s a hopeful sign that it will fit the current accessories and won’t cost me an arm and a leg to add to my D800s. Because you know what will happen. I’ll add the D820. I’ll then find I use it all the time. I’ll then sell the D800s and add another D820. If on the other hand Nikon gets too greedy (e.g. breaking grip and accessory compatibility, charging too much for the body etc) or too meddling (changing all the controls on the camera), I’ll just have to throw in a used D810.

    • Allen_Wentz

      I have the opposite view on the 820 number. The D820 nomenclature is probably bad news for me personally, because it likely means maintaining identical ergonomics and feel to the D810. If I liked the D800 body as-is I would already own one, because D810 performance is excellent.

      Dual XQD and improved buffer would be enough to make D820 36 MP tech fine for me. Coming from D2x, D3 and now D500 it is the existing D810 body that I am unfond of. Who knows, perhaps thousands of D500 captures have now enured my “feel” preferences to being more acceptable of whatever the D820 turns out to be.

      As regards D8xx body I had really hoped for an FX D500 replica (with identical cheese), but after decades of wishing for Nikon to stop forcing us to rapidly adjust to new button placements as we switch among bodies I will not hold my breath expecting Nikon to finally learn. If the numbering holds at 820 odds are Nikon did not make the kinds of significant body changes I would ideally like to see.

      Who knows, in the end Nikon may make out even better if a D5s catches my fancy. D3 + D500 remain fine for me right now. It is only Nikon that is losing by me not spending on a new FX body and expensive new lenses to suit it.

  • Matti

    Personally If nikon is smart and not suicidal, and reading between the lines, i think 100th birthday is their aim to launch the best D8xx incarnation they can make, to make a bit of buzz other then memorial stuff. They’ve shown what they can fail at, at start of this year (DL, a bit fiscal loss, market share loss). But I don’t think they are totally stupid. Either they wanted SUCH a big bomb, that now they have troubleshooting that needs resolving (early new technology problems) and thus the D8xx is delayed cause of it. Or they want to combine D8xx (a bit their pride model, as it’s a ‘good in all, bad in not really anything’, that most ppl love so much), with 100th birthday.

    An indication (and weird that Peter is not speculating or talking about it) is the end of D810 fabrication that was enounced a bit back. That means Nikon either thinks the D810 is now not wanted by people anymore (we all know that’s not true), or that they have a stronger model coming, and are certain it’s ready to be produced. I dont think they have crazy d810 stocks, they produced new camera’s slower then D800. So i’m pretty certain summer would be late for their plans. Only quality control issues are now the matter of when they release it imo.

    Also, think about it, Nikon never ever did BSI. But making a camera capable of reading out such sensor, is a ‘new’ thing. They are not used to it. Same for other technological advance. Perhaps that delayed them.

    I don’t think Nikon is stupid, but their marketing is dumb, and their ‘permanent silence, ultra passive interview, and bad – negative perceived – communication about losses (extra ordanary loss), hits the company hard and with a stigma they are failing. Same for the loss of 1000 jobs.

    I think Nikon quickly needs to show it has balls. Nikon has made ‘+10% performance’ iterations last years, on most stuff, i think it’s time for another D800/D500, ‘+200-300% in certain area’s, performer, for a still good price. It’s only way they can protect against the marketing, and market share of Canon to get some back, and protect future.

    • T.I.M

      D900 go!

    • Sawyerspadre

      Might be similar to the short gap from the time they made the last D300s to when they launched the D500. I would say, however, that was more than a 10% improvement….

      Hopefully the wait for a D810 replacement won’t be that long. Who knows maybe we are getting a D820, with the D810 sensor, and a D850 with a 50+ MP sensor.

      • Gilboa

        To match Canon…interesting.

  • true

    Nikon mirrorless when? Sony is far from good system, it’s “ok” to “workable”, but only because there’s no competition. Battery life is bad, ergonomics are bad, user interface is bad, m43 does everything better. If nikon could come up with a good FF mirrorless, it could be much more interesting than sony.

  • Iceman

    I just do not know when (or never) Nikon remove the Auto, P , scene modes in pro-line camera, in order to introduce more bank setting and otehr more useful feature in dial button. I have never touched those for longtime. If it is stay in D3400, 5600 for newbie okie but the like d7500, d500, or FF should not have those.

  • Tim Hulme

    All I want in life is the D810 sensor with the D500 AF and a tilting screen. Whhhhhy we waiting so long! They could easily have done this as an interim before releasing a D850/900 with whole new sensor.

    • Gilboa

      But video is very important in the market place now, and I don’t think the current D810’s 36MP sensor is capable of 4K video.

  • Benjamin Brenner

    Are you pretty sure this will not happen for any specific reason?

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