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Rumors: Nikon D800 refresh instead of D4x

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Some new rumors started circulating that Nikon will not release a D4x camera but instead refresh the Nikon D800 (D800s?) the way they updated the D4s (same sensor, improved ISO, slightly faster, higher price tag). It is too early to mark this rumor with anything above 50% probability.

Nikon is rumored to announce 3 or 4 new DSLR cameras this year: so far we already have the D3300 and the D4s (already announced); the remaining two will be the rumored D7200 and D800s.

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  • Jon Ingram

    Hmmm…, well if this is true I probably won’t be able to get a D900 for another 3 years.

  • Young

    Well, if this rumor is true, let’s hope the D800s won’t have any focus issues or dust/oil issues. Hope the QC of Nikon can be improved.

  • ohnocanon

    Well Since Sony makes the 36.3mp sensor in Nikon’s D800…Sony will make the D4x’s 50mp or plus MP. I am cool with it. I know the secret about how forgiving and how special the D800 is. You big babies crying about the large files…Please Step off the MP Bus…and still be happy with 12.1mp There is a big difference in quality.

  • John

    Now this is what I have been waiting for! I kept my D3s, but got a D610 as a back up. I hope they keep it at 36 MP and make it better for low light. 6 fps would be perfect!

  • mikeswitz

    Please Nikon, just make it in pink.

    • EJP

      And don’t forget Lime Green!

  • Rafa R

    I honestly will be very disappointed if Nikon produces a D800s instead of a D4x, D800 shutter is simply not as robust as a D4 shutter, with 400,000 life cycles, and ergonomics, who cares for a D800 that will only probably gain frames per second, when the shutter still sounds like an old car closing the door, and the D800 AF simply sucks in low light compared to a D4. Instead if they produce a D4x that camera it will gain all the D4 features, built, AF, fps, ergonomics and other advantages.

    • Jeff Hunter

      I’ve never owned a D4 but my D800 focuses pretty damn quickly and accurately in dim light. And the shutter sounds fine to me.

      • mikeswitz

        You care about how the shutter sounds? Really? do you take pictures or listen to your camera? clearly the D800 is not for you. worry about the wonderful sound of the D4xxx

    • mikeswitz

      You listen to the shutter of your D800? Really? Do you take pictures or listen to shutters? I mean do you say to yourself everytime you capture an image, “Shit man, that shutter is never gonna last 400,000 actuations. WTF I am gonna do? And the low light focusing on the D800 isn’t good enough for you? Well then, stick with the D4, because the D800 was never meant for you!

      • Jeff Hunter

        It’s not like the shutter makes a farting sound!

      • http://ztj.io/ Zachery Jensen

        I dunno, when I had the D800, that shutter… wow. I was strongly reminded of a guillotine or something. I liked it! But, it was also certainly noticeable without having to be going out of your way to hear it.

        • mikeswitz

          I hear it….I just don’t give a shit about its sound.

          • http://ztj.io/ Zachery Jensen

            Then why are you even talking about it? Hm? Sure making an ass of yourself harping on people for talking about something they are interested in and you apparently are not. Since when did you become to interestingness police?

            Go piss off and police some other part of the internet.

            • mikeswitz

              I’m talking about it because many of us are tired of people whining about problems with the D800 that either don’t exist or were never an issue to begin with. It’s one thing to complain about the D600 and quite another to whne about one of the best cameras Nikon has ever produced.
              And speaking of asses why don’t YOU go piss off and troll some other place on the internet where you might add something useful to the conversation.

            • boulderghost

              The D800 is a great camera! The problem is that none of these Whiners have ANY other camera to top it, so instead of buying some mythical “D700s” that would never be built because Nikon isn’t stupid, they bash the camera they can’t afford and pontificate about the camera that they would build if they where Nikon. Sure one day, Ferrari will build a $20,000 entry level sports car and I’ll piss champagne and shite rainbow sherbert. Can’t afford the D800 or D4s? Mow more lawns or get a cheaper hobby. Sour Grapes

    • Scott M.

      Long climb up the hill from 16mps

    • Michiel953

      What a load of bollocks. What’s an “old car” in your part of the world, and how many doors does it have?

  • Rameses the 2nd

    I am gonna be rocking my D800 for a very long time to come. My money is going towards glass and improving my skills.

    • Mjf

      Well done a moment of rationality amongst the if I only had this camera I would be a better photographer, good glass and training.

      Learn to use the tools you have

    • Naval Gunfire

      In my humble opinion, a lot of photographers would get a lot better if they spent some of their money on workshops delivered by well respected people in their respective fields. I’ve been a photographer for ~30 years and I still attend loads of workshops and learn new things.

  • Jeff Hunter

    I wonder if they could make one where you could activate and deactivate the AA filter by the press of a button?

    • nwcs

      Considering it’s built into the glass overlays of the sensor…. I’d say no.

    • E.J. Peiker

      Pentax has tackled that by not using an AA filter and with the toggling of an option it simulates an AA filter by very slightly vibrating the sensor if you choose to.

  • http://www.povazanphotography.com/ Jozef Povazan

    Higher price tag seems like Nikon #1 priority recently :) so let’s believe they will add some features which will deserve that. D4s vs D4 starting price does not seems to be that case IMO.

  • Know Photography

    Anyone suggesting the D800s (or whatever it would be called) should have Small RAW is wrong! It needs to have Medium RAW, but I’d take S RAW along with that.

    A D800 at 36MB which can shoot at 18MB would be far more useful to more people. Given an extra frame per second and it really does start to look like that D700 replacement everyone wants.

    • jtra

      I have read that wedding photographers with Canon 5Dmk2/3 do not really use medium/small raws as they compromise dynamic range (which is not great even with full raws there).

      With small raw there could be 4 (R,G,B,G) pixels binned into one full color RGB pixel, you lose some bw resolution and not much color resolution, but size savings are not great unless bit depth is also reduced. Alternatives could be with 4 (R,G,B,G) pixels binned into one pseudo Bayer component – that is say for R component there would be 12 bits of R, and 2 of G and 2 of R to help demosaicing. Slightly more savings, but still image quality would be compromised (less than JPEG though).

      Given all that, I guess some reasonable adaptive-to-content loss compression would be better than medium raw which would reduce resolution and DR without regard of what is inside that part of picture.

    • T53

      For me the sweet spot megapixel wise is 16-20, maybe 22 at the high end. I think Canon recognizes this but Nikon offers only two cameras with 16mp now D4s at 5G’s and the Df at 3…. and none with 18. A D800 with the ability to shoot at 18mp would be perfect. 36 is just too much file for what I do.

  • Bruce Photography

    I hope they do base the new model on the D800E and not the D800. Why not?

    • Sebastian Rasch

      I think the D800s won’t have a low-pass filter at all anymore, just like the D7100. With such a high resolution there’s just no need for it anymore.
      The D800E still has a low-pass filter, just without anti-aliasing.

  • dilbert

    Finally… AF fixing ahead, hopefully

    Since the only thing really ugly about the D800 is the lack of precision when shooting 1.4 to ~2.8 apertures and D4s claims progress on AF my engineer’s guess would be they now know how to fix the AF but need a new model to disguise it.

    Looking forward to this upgrade for sure, a combination of D700 precision and D800 sensor would definitly find me as a customer!!

  • Bajerunner

    Why, why not a D400??????? As so many of us ask…. Just don’t seem to want to introduce a high quality, reasonably priced, APS-C with a current sensor. No wonder so many are buying the K3 , despite less lens availability in K Mount (and how many lenses DOES anyone need) and are so keen on where FUJI is going with the brilliant XT-1. Another two years and the enthusiast APS-C is gone from Nikon to those two companies. That is fine, competition is a great thing.

    • Jay G

      I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Nikon’s made a conscious decision to abandon high end DX, it’s simply not a part of their plans for the future. I’d love to be proven wall, but the writing seems to be on the wall.

  • http://www.dwijadas.com/ Dwijadas

    Give us better image quality,
    Faster and accurate auto focus.
    Automatic lens back focus adjustment.
    Built in Wi-Fi —- wrong thing to ask ?
    Faster frame rate- isn’t critical though

    Rest all, is just great with D800 !

  • Sick

    I heard they’ll use the sensor used in Nokia 1020 mobile phone. YEAH rock your socks off.

  • Anto de Chav

    If they do make this I hope they improve live view.. its pretty poor compared to canon live view..

  • microbi

    sorry nikon, no way!

    i would like a real d700 replacement with the new 16mp sensor.

    36mp are to much for me and the d610/df are not a real alternative.

    • Sebastian Rasch

      Not gonna happen. Nikon are not gonna cannibalise their flagship again like they did with the D700/D3 series.

    • henk

      WORD!

  • Shingo

    I think an upgrade to the D800 makes a lot of sense. Improved AF, faster burst rate and larger buffer, etc wold all be very welcome.

    But the biggest leap in terms of appealing to wedding and event photographers is the option to shoot is ‘small’ Raw size. The current size of D800 raw files is not always practical, so the ability to shoot to smaller raws of hopefully even lower res would be a huge leap.

  • Sebastian Rasch

    4K video would be due.

  • Michiel953

    Better high ISO capability would be useful, though in reality up to 3200 ISO my D800 performs quite well. The rumoured other improvements do not really interest me. And a higher price?

    My D800 (sitting across me at my lunchtable right now; 24/1.4 attached) will serve me just fine for several years to come.

  • nikclick

    D800s IMHO

    36MP FX-Format CMOS Sensor (with an On-OFF AA-Filter)
    (Built-In 5 to 8 ND Fliter would be great)
    EXPEED 4 Image Processor
    3.2″ LCD Monitor
    Multi-CAM 3500FX 51-Point AF Sensor
    91k-Pixel RGB Sensor and Group Area AF & AF orientation ( same as D4s)
    Base ISO – ISO 50-ISO 8,000 with better noise ratio. Expandable up to ISO 25,600 ( Asking for too much :p)
    5 fps, 14-Bit RAW with much better buffer size.
    Small RAW 14-Bit & 12-Bit (uncompressed & Loss less compression ) which increases the number of RAW which can be shot in burst modes.
    Full HD 1080p Video Recording at 60 fps

    Please improve the LV in all Nikon DSLRs

    NB :
    I personally believe , with an On-OFF AA-Filter – Nikon can merge D800 & D800E an one inventory which is D800s. NR posted a patent for a such an AA-Filter too. With a S-RAW they can tackle all complaints about upgrade of a D700. Two birds in a single shot !

  • EJP

    Maybe time to give up hope on a D400.

  • Aeroengineer

    My D800E is the best camera I’ve ever owned, by far. The one area in which it comes up short for me is critical focus for macro work. I might trade in/up if live view improved substantially for this purpose (I presume that user interchangeable screens are not really feasible these days) . But I’m not hopeful: macro, perhaps understandably, doesn’t seem to be high on Nikon’s list these days (200 f/4 refresh any year now, no extension tubes, no close-up lenses, PB-4 and 6 bellows nearly museum pieces).

  • Bern

    So anyone speculate on a release date?

  • TimD

    My thought is Nikon seems to be losing its direction as far as pro photographers are concerned. I have shot with a pro-body since I bought my first F2 in the 70s and have stayed with Nikon even through the hard times with its first DSLR offerings, and as nice a camera as a D800 is it is not a pro-body and if I am going to be forced to use a pro-sumer body I will have to really take a look at all the offerings out there including Canon and Sony to make a choice even if it is to move away from Nikon. I would purchase a D4X on preorder even if they only offered it in 36 megapixels and I would pay a good premium over the D3X cost when I purchased it. As far as studio work goes if you are looking for megapixels medium format is without a doubt the place you need to be.

    • Neopulse

      Why not get a Pentax 645D then? It has 40 MP with a tank of a body if that is what you’re looking for and you can get it at a very good price now. Around the price of a D4/s.

      • TimD

        I actually prefer my Hasselblad H5D-60 for a good portion of my studio work. However I also like shooting with the pro-Nikon bodies they are not necessarily interchangeable depending on what kind of work I’m doing at the time. I understand Nikon having Pro-Sumer cameras for photographers that are hobbyists or just getting started in the business. That gives Nikon a great edge on future business as those photographers get better and want to buy higher-end gear. However if you’re going to abandon the pro-photographer then you might as well just become a consumer camera company, as we all know that market is getting smaller. There will always be a need for high-end professional cameras as there will always be a need for high-end professional photographers.

        • Neopulse

          Well… I guess a D800 refresh with a grip will somewhat have to do. Also with an L-bracket for extra grip or ruggedness might have to do. But you never know, Nikon is still around, they’ve made stuff that people rumored once and later on was released. Cross your fingers I guess, because it can happen. Also Canon had an idea into getting into medium-format not too long ago. But I doubt with a rugged body though like Pentax/Leica.

          https://shootthecenterfold.com/rumor-canon-hopes-to-launch-a-digital-medium-format-system-in-2014/

    • UA

      Could you elaborate what does not make D800 a pro-body? As far as I am concerned, the D4 like body has been the “pro” body only for about 20years after introducing F5. D800 body style (or F4) came first for pro dslr:s. D800 has full weather sealing, and if you need the extra grip e.g. for 70-200 or 200/2, you can add the battery grip. Yes, I know, with grip it’s not as extremely sturdy as D3/4 (I have compared D700+grip and D3s to each other), but otherwise they are pretty much the same, what comes to ergonomics. Even the buttons and joysticks are from same materials. And the specs? Well, they both are the top of the line from Nikon..

      • TimD

        There is absolutely no comparison in the way the D800 focus operates compared to the D4, D3X or D3S. I realize some photographers don’t want to spend the extra money however you get what you pay for, while the D800 is a very nice camera it is not a D4 or for that matter D3X. When it comes to the focusing accuracy, focus reliability, or the ability to focus in low light situations. I am in no way slamming the D800 I actually am just disappointed that Nikon is abandoning their professional line.

  • pwmorg

    well looks like another year without buying a new camera from Nikon I will stick to my old beat up D200

    • broxibear

      Nothing wrong with the files coming from a D200 that’s for sure…

      http://www.theimagestory.com/story/alan-winslow-ty-jackson-montana/

      • pwmorg

        your right but it sure would be nice to see what a d400 would look like!

      • Mark

        Although these older cameras can still put out great photos, there are stuff they can’t do (or are poor at doing). Compare the low-light ability of these older pro-sumer cameras to the consumer ones. My D300 only has 200-3200 ISO – compare that to the 100-12800 provided by the lowest D3300. Unlike film cameras, the sensor is FIXED. It would be like back in the film days, Kodak came out with a great new film that was 1600 ISO, but had the grain of 400 – and only people that buy new cameras could use it. Existing cameras would not support it.

        There are also other features that make the new cameras more desirable. The D5300 has no AA filter, GPS built in. And of course 1080p/60 video. As an amateur, those are all things I want in my new camera. But Nikon has decided to screw the pro/semi-pro DX user, without updating the D300S in 5 years. Maybe they want us to go to the D600, but that camera is more on par with the consumer DX models (5×00, 7×00), or all the way to the D800, which is double what I spent on my D300. I would then also need to replace lenses another several $x000. The carrying weight of everything increases – for hiking, that makes it harder or you have to decide before leaving, which lenses you will bring.

        So if no D400 comes soon, I will likely still stick with nikon, but they would have pushed me down to the 7×00, or even the 5×00, getting less money from me. And also leaving their customer unsatisfied.

        • broxibear

          Hi Mark,
          I know newer cameras bring features and better image quality, but if you look at the way photographers take pictures often those extra things don’t come into play.
          Far too many people fall for marketing and hype, and the lust for new things…I was mearly pointing out that the D200 is still a very capable camera in many circumstances.
          You’ve got to work out whether the camera is holding you back in some sort of way, or whether it’s a perception you have due to outside influences.

          • Mark

            Those are features I want. I go hiking in national parks, and want the automatic GPS added to my photos (and don’t want to have an extra device and cabling, etc. to get it, don’t want to add a general one later either). I also want to be able to take occasional movies. Demand that they are not satisfying. If they update their 2 year old D800, instead of the 5 year old D300S, I’d be pissed. And by the number people posting about wanting a D400, I’m sure I would not be the only one.

            • Naval Gunfire

              You’ve still got the problem of the lack of good DX lenses even if there is a D400. The 17-55mm is a nice lens that I used a lot when Nikon was producing pro DX cameras but even back in the D2 days I felt there was a lack of good DX glass.

              I’m not sure DX would ever have existed if sensors were cheap enough to make at FX size 15-20 years ago but it is here to stay now so Nikon might as well get behind it and bring out some professional DX lenses.

            • PeterO

              There is always Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and others. I am more than happy with their performance. In fact the Tamron 17-50 2.8 is razor sharp and is the only lens that needs 0 fine tuning on my Nikon bodies. Go figure. Nikon is definitely ceding the field for “pro” DX and the accompanying lenses that are required. I think it was a conscious decision by Nikon to ignore this demographic, knowing that we’re too heavily invested to realistically jump ship.

            • Naval Gunfire

              I jumped ship from DX as soon as the D3 was announced, I still had most of my old lenses from the film days back then. The third parties don’t really offer me anything for FX that Nikon doesn’t but if I was still a DX shooter I’d be sorely tempted by a couple of the third party offerings.

              With that said, I’ve been bitten buying off brand lenses too many times. There is never any guarantee they will work with my next camera which has been a problem for me in the past and as I tend to replace at least one of my DSLRs every two years it is a hassle I could do without. Nice optics on some of them (11-16mm by Tokina is a lovely DX wide angle) but just lacking in the future proofing department!

      • Michiel953

        Great shot!

  • brec

    The D800 made a lot possible for my work. I really hope for an upgrade. I also hope they don’t forget to update some primes like the 20mm, 105 and 135mm.

    • TimD

      Especially the 105mm and 135mm and please keep them at f2.0 or faster F1.8 would be wonderful.

      • Naval Gunfire

        I really like the 135 and 105 f/2 DC lenses, Nikon don’t build lenses like that any more sadly. Undervalued lenses in my opinion.

        • Marc W.

          I hope they release AF-S, nano, etc version of the 135mm f2. I just want the price to drop a little for the current D version. :)

  • robertkrasser

    The D800 is a perfect camera, Nikon please only 5 improovements
    – add a GPS inside
    – add WIFI
    – same IPTC menu than D4
    – small remote control like 4
    – 2 stops high iso

  • Sean

    I expect sRAW

  • Robin

    Hope the rumours are true! Going to buy the D800 successor straight away at launch.

  • Trond Arild Ydersbond

    800s is a very good idea, for several reasons. Not only does the processor and AF benefit from an update, but a good sRAW implementation for, say, 9 and 18 MP could really reduce the need for a “real” D700 successor. (Which Nikon could have given us had they put the D4 sensor inside a remodeled D800 instead of a remodeled D600.)
    It is surely possible to speed it up a bit too, and I don’t see where it has any chance of competing with the D4s in this respect.

    But to me, the most interesting aspect is the sensor. Comparing the D7000/D800 and D7100 pixel-quality-wise, the D7100 looks incredibly good for its small pixel size, and there is sure room for improvements – which I hope Nikon will exploit. But please don’t use the D7100 pixels in an all-round camera. I can see that some landscape shooters can make very good use of them, but we will really be giving up versatility if we stick to 50+ MP pixel count on FF. And the best of lenses have a hard time on the 24MP crop sensor, I’m not really much interested in seeing the corner mess on a 54MP sensor. I think it may be because of the 16 MP DX sensor being close to the resolving power of many good lenses, that the difference between 16 and 24MP DX seems so large: 16MP is “within specs”, 24MP a bit “out of specs”. We have seen the same story before: Compare tests on the 10MP D200 sensor and the 16MP D7000 sensor, there are lots of differences, and the steps up are similar, 1.5 and 1.6.

    Nikon could make a 54MP D4X, though, with lenses to match, and a practical high quality ISO range of, say, 100-1600. That one could be a worthy upgrade to the D3X. But I wouldn’t be much interested in it for my own use.

    • David Portass

      I’ve read Expeed 4 has double the bandwidth of the Expeed 3 so if it retains a 36mp sensor at full res could easily do 6-7fps, in sRAW possibly hit that nice 8fps spot

  • Yannick

    Are you really comparing D800 and PhaseOne? COME ON!! Medium format is not the same thing as a 35mm camera. It’s like comparing a Dslr with a point and shoot. I love my D800 and i would not change it for anything else, but please, dont compare it to a phase one or an Hasselblad! Pixel density is the key here!

    Please Remember that not so long ago, 12 mpixels was the standard! Why would you need a 54 mp D800? I am pretty sure the next D800 will get the same mp count but with a much better iso quality. BUT they they will probably wait a couple of months to sell some D4s!!! A D800s with comparable ISO capabilities as the D4s would kill the D4s sales …

    • Jeff Hunter

      More pixels gives you more cropping potential. I’ve found that to be very useful. It’s really silly to read comments criticizing the D800 from people that have never used a D800. You just don’t know what you’re missing.

      • Yannick

        Did you read my comment at all? I doubt it. I bought my D800 right when it came out and I still think it’s the best dslr on the market today. What I think is that if you want to improve this camera, it’s not by adding more mpixels but improving the high ISO.
        What I was saying in my previous comment is that you can’t expect the same IQ on a dslr sensor vs a medium format sensor.
        Having more and more pixels also have a downside, you must have top notch lenses and fine tune the focus for most of them. That’s why I hope they will keep

        • Jeff Hunter

          I did read your entire post. I must have been thinking of another post when I responded to yours, my apologies. That’s what happens sometimes when I watch TV and type responses at the same time.

          Yes, improved ISO would be nice as well as a larger buffer to accommodate longer bursts of shots. I would personally prefer the second card slot to hold a second SD card instead of a CF card.

          The extra cropping potential is useful for me because I don’t own any thing longer than a 70-200mm with a 2x tele-converter. And even if I did want to invest in a 400mm or 600mm lens I don’t really want to have to lug the thing around.

          • Yannick

            I own alot of both cards, but the fact it uses both annoys me a bit. I’d rather have 2 cf or 2 sd and not one of both. You would probably like to shoot with a D7100 or the non existing D400 with 24 mpixels if you use very long lenses. One more thing I’d love to see improved on the D800 is the focus points. It would be nice to have focus points to cover the whole viewfinder a little bit more like it is on my D300.

            • Name

              You’ll never see a FF camera with covering as much of the frame as they do on a DX camera, unless they are “on sensor” focus points. The DX can “fill the frame” with focus points because they are basically FF cameras with less than half size sensors. A purpose built, scaled down APS-C DSLR would have similar AF coverage to FF DSLRs.
              As for memory cards, please, Please, PLEASE put two of the SAME memory cards in the updated D800 – preferably either two CF or two of the NEW higher speed SD card slots (two “CompactFast”), so that the “slow” cards no longer hamper performance!

            • Name

              edits: s/b “with AF points covering…” and s/b (OR two CompactFast)

  • nostatic

    Ugh. When, if ever, are we going to get a replacement for the D700? Right now, it’s a choice between the D610, which is less, and the D800, which is too much (Nikon can shove those massive, overkill megapixels).

    • Michiel953

      I can tell you those D800 RAW files are really noticeably better than what my D700 used to produce. I haven’t been able to compare them with what the D4 processor produces, but if I were you I’d loan or rent one for a weekend and give it a try. D800’s are relatively cheap now, and they’re fantastic.

      • nostatic

        I have no doubt the D800 produces better images in every way. But, for me it’s all negated by the bloated size of the images. I’d have to carry around a gross of compact flash cards and rent out warehouse space for hard drive storage. All Nikon needs to do is combine the best features of the D600 with those of the D800 and they’d have the right camera for most enthusiasts and pros.

        • Michiel953

          You’re probably right. I have no problems with my D800’s file size (I only shoot RAW 14bit lossless compressed), but I’m not a pro and don’t handle the big numbers. I love the image quality.

        • Jeff Hunter

          I shoot uncompressed RAW D800 files. In the camera I have a 128GB SD card and a 32GB CF card. That’s capacity for at least 1,600 photos! I’ve never come close to maxing out the camera’s cards in a long day of shooting.

          I download the files into Lightroom as DNG files which are about half the size of NEF files. File size is just not a problem. The problem is the rumor created by people that have no experience using the D800.

          • nostatic

            So you say. I have read and talked to others who sold their D800 because of the bloated file size. You’re a brave man shooting with such ginormous-sized cards. After having lost a whole shoot on a big camera card, I never use anything bigger than 16GB now. Too risky.

            • Jeff Hunter

              The D800 has an option to make a backup copy to the second card. But that significantly lowers the capacity. I would prefer the second card slot hold a second SD card instead of a CF card. CF cards are supposed to record video files quicker. I use Lexar cards and so far have not had a problem. I’ve read it’s best not to use bargain or off brand cards.

  • PJ

    Maybe I’m waaaaay wrong, but someone at Nikon should really look at the comments posted here. Someone whose job is to give advice about the company’s strategies should not ignore the “vibes” you get from the majority of the comments.
    We’ll never collectively be happy about cameras, that’s a given. It’s almost never happened, except maybe for the D700. We always have something to complain about, and there will never be the perfect camera for everyone. But on the other hand, there can be a perfect camera for a specific use. Nikon’s strategy looks odd, and it feels like they make it up as they go, while looking more interested to the amateur market, and way less to the pros.
    The D800 is a terrific camera, no doubt about it. For some people it’s the perfect camera. For others it’s clearly not, and I’m not sure a refresh is the wisest thing to do. Nikon shouldn’t look at the complaints from people asking for a “new” D700, they should look at *who* is complaining and wishing for such a camera. For instance, photojournalists. When it was introduced, the D700 was one of the top choices for those working in documentary photography, it was considered the first real digital F100. The choice for those professionals was clear: Nikon D700, or Canon 5D mark II. Here we are, 5 years later, and the D700, still an awesome camera, looks older than it probably should, maybe also because Canon came up with the 5D mark III. As a loyal Nikon customer (20+ years, film & digital), and a documentary photographer who doesn’t need the uber-D800 or the heavy D4, I ask: Dear Nikon, where’s *your* 5D mark III?

  • Max

    Many years ago a Fuji rep visiting the lab I worked as a B&W darkroom guy told me the 1st Canon Sureshot autofocus 35 mm doubled the amateur use of film from one roll per annum to 2 rolls per annum. The sales of colour film in the UK at that point was approx. £200million per annum. Amateur film sales was 80%plus.

    For every D800/D4 it sells it sells a dozen D5300s, 4 D7100s a whole bunch of Coolpix etc. Numbers are guestimated but you get the idea.
    Bang for buck the D7100 is great. I have one. As a published Photoshop author I have a clue about how to maximise the bit after you’ve gone click.

    Professional sales are not what makes Nikon’s money. It hangs its reputation on them. A bunch of sports smudgas running round Soochi with D4s cameras is not to flog D4s cameras it’s to flog 12 D5300 cameras to accountants, housewives, plumbers for their weekend hobby.

    The DX line is well catered for with a bunch of varying levels at 24MP. There is absolutely no need for a Pro DX. The D400 is never (lets say 99%) going to exist. it isn’t actually needed.

    Now I’ve taken great pictures with a little teak box with brass fittings called a Zero2000 pinhole. It’s not frames per second, it’s seconds per frame.

    Taking pictures is what photography is about. It takes knowledge of your equipment and an understanding of aesthetic, not a plethora of features. Most which don’t get used.. by pros.

    Many great pictures over the past 150 years were taken with, by todays standards, pieces of crap with slow uncoated manually focused lenses.

    Now this year I’ve got a few more dollars in my pocket. I’m upgrading to more full frame glass and a D800e. I’m going to hang fire if a D800 upgrade is coming. I suspect it will be a modest hardware upgrade and a significant software enhancement. Great. I’ll have one. I don’t need video. I shoot stills. I don’t need frame rate. I don’t photograph rock and roll bands anymore. I’m retired and finally can be an amateur. I live by a beach in paradise. You get the idea.

    If they up the pixel rate I’m fine with that. I have enough horsepower in my system and storage hanging of the back to deal with it.

    A 50+ MP sensor is fine. Good Nikon glass is up to the task. 36MP and more is just more editing headroom for me. I run a 17″ Canon printer with 12 inks. I can run a match print on my home printer and take it to a friends bureau in town. She runs a 60″ wide Canon. Quality won’t be an issue.

    Owning $15,000 worth of Nikon cameras does not make you a photographer. It makes you the owner of $15,000 worth of Nikon cameras.

    It’s Nikon’s job to sell that to you. It’s your job/hobby/enthusiasm, pro or not to use it to take pictures.

    An extra frame per second is not the difference between a good picture or not. Using the kit you have and your eye and technique is what makes a picture.

    FFS quit bitchin’ about the things you wish you had. Get your hand out of your pants, a D400 wont make it bigger. Take some damned pictures with the gear you’ve got.

    • torwag

      “We’ll never collectively be happy about cameras, that’s a given.”

      No! If Nikon sales the D800 for the price of a D3X00 and the D4s for the price of a D5X00 everyone will be happy, beside Nikon ;)

      Honestly, all the ranting here is mostly about I want a DX for the price of a DXXXX.

      People are happy using a lens-switchable system but persist to use a “All-in-one-body”. Ever thought about the fact that one can replace units on both sides?

      Real pros couldn’t care less… they just buy what they need to get the job
      done and happily switch between D800, D4 and D7100, if one has benefits
      over the other for the particular job.

      And I’m pretty sure Nikon knows that all the rainting here is mostly from people who will never be satisfied unlike they get a D4s for $450 and a D800 for $300 and this is the reason they don’t care.

      • Max

        “We’ll never collectively be happy about cameras, that’s a given.”

        Absolutely agree. I worked in the photo biz for 40 years, I still lust after shiny toys. But, I actually earned a living by using my modest talent and a great deal of application. That’s 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration and a reasonable eye for it.

        “Real pros couldn’t care less… they just buy what they need to get the job done” They often hire specific gear for the job at hand.

        Most of the ranting here is people hoping that by having a D4s/Dwhatever for loose change, their pictures are suddenly going to be great.

        It doesn’t really work that way…

        • PJ

          “Most of the ranting here is people hoping that by having a D4s/Dwhatever for loose change, their pictures are suddenly going to be great.”

          “Some”, yes. “Most”, maybe.
          Honestly, some people are complaining because they see a “gap” in what Nikon offers. I don’t want a D800 for a price of a Coolpix, because the D800 is just not the right camera for documentary photography. Give me an updated D700, a “Nikonian” 5D mark III, for the same price of the D800 (or even slightly more), and I’ll buy 2 of those.

  • Pall Jensson

    Bonus if 10 iso for portrait. Nikon 800s

  • jeffrey

    I think Nikon will not make it if Nikon D800s will be with the patent AA filter on or off as the ones who bought the D800 will not sell their D800 to buy the D800s as for me they will loose a lot of money for me dust/oil on the sensor is more an issue than updating the iso and slightly faster

  • SebastianAllan

    And i just purchased a D800e a few weeks ago, i’ll just tippex an ‘s’ on it, no-one will notice. Cant be happier with the D800e though.

  • Adrian Bitoiu

    I know D800 series had a problem with the sensor. Did Nikon acknowledge that, or could we expect the same issue on newer high-res cameras?

    • KnightPhoto

      D800 did NOT have a “problem with the sensor”.

      D800 had a short-term problem with the outer autofocus points on initial batches, long ago solved, so I wouldn’t particular worry about that one. Nikon will be checking for that on any new model.

  • Chad

    Why not replace the Nikon D700 instead?

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