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Nikon Pure Photography video #6 is officially out

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The last Nikon Pure Photography video that leaked earlier today is now officially released and it does not reveal any new details about the upcoming Df camera.

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  • http://www.rmjphotography.net/ RMJ

    <3

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    Have we been able to see the buttons from the front before? At 1080p, maybe that’s new for the photoshop wizards to chew on.

  • Donsantos

    boring.

    • lorenzo

      Agree. I would like to see something new: a D4x or the so much waited D400, rather than an old camera re-modernized.
      Nikon must have learned from Apple that changes the color of an iPhone and calls it innovation.

      • Ronan

        Then wait for the D4x. It’s comming, with a whooping 50 MP or something ridiculous.

        Probably will have an electronic AA filter so you can turn it on/off.

        Great, it’s just not what this release is about.

        • Pete Grady

          D4x isn’t their hi res camera. That would be a D900.

          • Aldo

            d4x is rumored to have hi mp count…

            • lorenzo

              that’s what I thought but probably they won’t exceed 24 Mp reducing the D4 fps, accordingly.

            • Erik

              24mp, 8fps, what a nice sweet spot compromise that would be. (And 4K video too?)

      • Aldo

        d800 pushed limits and is a revolutionary camera despite the criticism… I’m sure the next d900 d4x d5 won’t disappoint… just have to wait. Df is a nice appetizer

    • Simon Goldsworthy

      Never satisfied are you? I actually think this will be a revolutionary product that will sell by the bucket load and dictate the direction of DSLRs for the next 10 years. Because if they don’t do stuff like this they run the risk of not being around in 10 years. To me, that’s pretty interesting… ;-)

  • http://marsweekly.wordpress.com/ Mars Observer

    Just one or two more ‘big sleeps’ until we find out the price!

    • lorenzo

      $3,996.95?

      • sette

        i wouldn’t be surprised

        • lorenzo

          and according to the interest of the comments in NR, it will certainly have lot of buyers – but me.

          • sette

            for 3000$-4000$ i can put a lot of film in my fe2

            • lorenzo

              True, and fool people who may think you have a Df :-)

            • Erik

              Yes, for many of us, film is cheaper than digital

            • T53

              Amen.

          • Anónimo

            Never say never and you can be sure that a lot of enthusiasts will never buy this camera but some present detractors will do it.

      • Captain Megaton

        Half that.

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      It’s kept very carefully for a “Last to be announced surprise”…, even Admin can’t find any information on it…, all leaps are sealed! Remember that this is an entry-level specification product….

    • AnthonyH

      The Big Sleep is a euphemism for death…so, are you waiting for a couple of deaths?

  • Ronan

    With the HD version, it’s clearly a LOT thinner than previously thought.

    Holy…!

    • lorenzo

      If it is FX, has a mirror and uses F lenses it shouldn’t be much thinner than the current DSLR.

      • Ronan

        The point was that for the past few days people thought it was very thick, just as thick as current DSLR’s.

        This video show’s it’s thinner. Of course it’s not wafer thin like SLR’s, but i’m concentrating on realistic expectations.

        • lorenzo

          It might look thinner to you from this shot but if physics is not an opinion the distance from the lens attachment and the back I really doubt can be less the current DSLRs. We’ll see.

          • Aldo

            If you refer to the classic film cameras you can see they weren’t very think either… I’m assuming the digital cameras are thinker because of the electronics involved including the sensor…. so there is room to slim down…

            • lorenzo

              … as long as we don’t change the distance between the lens and the sensor and can’t imagine how the thickness can be reduced unless they use one of the new removable external sensor :-)
              Consider that in addition to the sensor and its electronic PC board the DSLRs also have the LCD monitor and board to count.

            • Aldo

              yeah that’s what I was thinking too… but you know electronics always get smaller with time… there is always that min distance though… between lens and film/sensor… so they can only get so thin… the answer is mirrorless… but that would mean a different mount, different lenses.. not sure if that’s better atm considering how many f mount lenses are out there.

            • Erik

              Could you have a prism instead of mrror box and EVF instead of OVF? I.e. sensor located where the focus screen usually sits?

            • Thyl Engelhardt

              well, I could: by making the LCD a plug-on device. So, for “pure photography”, take it off; for more control, attach it to the body.

            • Erik

              How much thicker is a sensor compared to a pressure plate for film?

            • Arne

              Yes, but behind that, sits the display. You can compare it with a data back for film cameras.

            • Erik

              For me it would be ok to skip the LCD on a pure retro digital FM3A.

            • Nihon

              display adds only 2 mm.

        • Simon Goldsworthy

          It looks like it has an FM3A like design, where the body is thinner but there is a projection to give extra width to the mirrorbox. Assuming nikon can replicate the miniaturisation from the RX1 design, the ultimate limiting factor is the size of the mirrorbox

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    I think it’s the first time you could see the “new* Nikon logo, isn’t it?

    • Lars Steenhoff

      it’s not the first time

    • fjfjjj

      This is the same logo that was on the F2 and F3.

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        Not exactly.

  • Long

    I’m not too pumped up about this camera. There have been few leaks, and for some reason, to me, that means it’s not that “big” of a Nikon product, more of a niche body with little innovation. In fact, it doesn’t make much sense to me why they’d remove video. If the camera has live view, video seems to be a simple software switch.

    I remember with the D3 and D4, there were lots of leaks about the camera prior to launch because they were the big dogs.

    • Kendall Owns Ownafide

      Phyisical features neccessary to offer video functionality (the way most users expect/ demand):

      1) record button
      2) speaker
      3) mic port
      4) headphone port
      5) hdmi port
      6) still to video liveview switch

      If they are trying to trim down overall body real estate, trimming video is a good place to start.

      • Long

        Good point. I hadn’t thought about all the plugs. I only thought about the extra record button :)

      • Art

        While I take your point that the plugs are good for video, I don’t agree that removing the ports necessitate the removal of video. It just means you won’t be able to use the camera for pro or semi-pro video.

        The technical reason for removing video, I’d say, is simpler software and processing circuitry. I somehow doubt that removing video magically makes photos better. In practical terms, it means the “pure photographer” (yeesh…) won’t have to put up with a useless-to-them video section in the menu or a video record button. (Though not all video capable DSLR’s have that anyway) Dropping the circuitry needed for compressing video into h.264 or some other format won’t make a tangible difference in photo quality, or even processing speed.

        This sounds more like a philosophical design decision that says “We just wanna concentrate on making this a good stills camera. We’re not gonna give you pro-video anyway, so if you want happy-snappy video, take out your phone.” I don’t begrudge them for that, although I don’t necessarily agree with it. If Nikon can make a stills camera to beat them all (whatever that means) by not spending time on video, then good for them, though I think the real question is, what is a “pure” camera for “pure” photography anyway? I don’t feel like my photography is somehow “impure” for using a camera that can do video. Hell, in most non-studio shooting situations, I just put it on Av and get on with shooting anyway. Who wants to sit there and mess with dials? Be it shutter speed dedicated or not.

    • Aldo

      There are many chihuahua owners…

  • J. Kayd

    There’s one more “l” in officially.

  • Alan

    Kind of boring video….

  • nbleak21

    I’ve got to say I like what appears to be an all black neck strap! way better then the flashy black/yellow crap!

    • Erik

      Nice strap, could have been slightly narrower according to my taste.

  • Arthur Tazo

    ” My father used to say…find one thing you can do all day without looking at your watch.” Ummm……..FAP?

    • Andrew

      …and still be paid!

      • InDebt

        haha…. don’t go there…. talking about getting paid, shatters the romantic dream : )

  • piscesen

    Shutter speed dial is clearly showed; 4000, 1/3 STEP, X, T, B, 4, 2, 1..
    http://dicahub.com/2013/11/03/nikon-pure-photography-6-video-is-officially-out

    • vFunct

      Wonder where the Aperture is set…

      • Erik

        On lens or rear dial?

      • piscesen

        I also wonder, but I think this is two ways for it; aperture ring on the lens and any dial. There are many dials. :)

        • Anónimo

          Just like for the existing models depending if you’re using G lenses, lenses that allow auto aperture control or not.

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        On rear (thumb) dial…

  • piscesen

    Here is last overlaid image removed letters almost and based on 1080p.

    http://dicahub.com/2013/11/03/nikon-pure-photography-6-video-is-officially-out

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      Thanks Piscesen. I spent a half hour in Photoshop learning how to do this and yours is better. At least I learned something.

      It is a sexy, sexy beast.

      • Ed

        Same!

      • piscesen

        Thank for you comment! :)

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          You didn’t happen to have made a new size comparison yet, have you? ;)

          • piscesen

            Here is updated size comparison. In this comparison, I think Df has almost same size of D610. But it’s not clear. All the size comparisons are not perfect! :)

            • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

              Excellent!

            • Erik

              And anyone has a comparison vs FM3A, F3 and F4?

            • piscesen

              Here is what you want. Also my original post was updated with this.

              Actually film bodies are wider than Df, but Df is taller than film bodies.

              P.S. In this image, F4 is with Multi Power High Speed Batter Pack MB-23.

              http://dicahub.com/2013/11/03/nikon-pure-photography-6-video-is-officially-out

            • Erik

              Thanks a lot! Really interesting to see them together! They have picked bits and pieces from all three of the F4, F3 and FM3A -

              Prism shape (incl hotshoe): FM3A
              Logo: F3
              Buttons on the front (e.g. for lens removal): FM3A
              Finish: F4

            • size matters

              It is huge compared to Sony :(

      • cletus_mcginnis

        I don’t think it’s sexy. I think it’s too big and bulky. Thin and compact like an FM camera would have been sexy.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          It’s slightly smaller than D6xx and 10% lighter too… and its not “full metal” as some foolishly suggest…
          Admin mentioned “excellent build quality” which it applies for all Nikon FX (D6xx included) and that Nikon seems to have the “know how” better than competition…
          This is a basic “entry level” new DSLr in the line with clever design so that it won’t be treated with “entry level feelings” from the market… nothing more nothing less…
          Price will be “entry level” too (that’s why its leakage is protected so much) and sales will be impressive!

          • Global

            Definitely, this camera will only be worth $500 more than the D700′s used price, unless it some serious boost in ISO over the D610G. So im placing it around $1700 right now.

            • DTB

              Yes, it should be priced below around $1700. Otherwise, I don’t see the benefit to buying this over a D800E. And, hopefully it comes without an AA filter.

              Although, at first, I was very excited about this camera, as I thought it would be a smaller, retro-styled camera with hybrid features (an OVF with digital overlay to show the histogram, etc) and manual control dials, I have lost interest because it seems it will just be another fairly large DSLR with the addition of manual control dials. While that is a great addition, it isn’t the retro-styled camera that it could have been. To be honest, all DSLRs should have always come with manual control dials, and the lenses should all have aperture rings and depth of field scales, in my opinion anyways.

              I am still hopeful that the DF will be an excellent retro-styled camera with a reasonable price, but I definitely have my doubts. If it is released at about $3000, as some have suggested, I think it will be a big mistake.

              In the near future, I would like to see Nikon develop a rangefinder-like mirrorless camera (similar in size to an X-Pro 1) with a full frame sensor and a set of high-quality fast primes (21mm, 50mm, and 90mm at release). That would be an exciting camera, which would likely sell very well. Unfortunately, it seems that Nikon is still sleeping on that opportunity, as they are still too conservative – they still want to protect their DSLRs, which is silly, as there is still room for both types of cameras in the market.

    • Jobs

      And the inside will be overlaid with D610…

      Minus oily sensor : O

      • Erik

        Come on, the D610 does not have a oily sensor.

        I am still hoping that Nikon will surprise us in the last minute with a better AF module and higher fps. That would be a great marketing trick.

        • silmasan

          There you go, D700 lovers… ;)

          “The new Nikon DF uses Nikon’s Advanced Multi-CAM 3500FX 51-point AF sensor module (also used in Nikon’s flagship model D4).”

          “The maximum shutter speed of 1/8000 second is accessible through the command dial.”

          “Viewfinder type: Pentaprism. Viewfinder coverage: 100%. Viewfinder magnification: Approx. 0.70x”

          “MSRP: $3,599″

          “A new multi power battery pack Nikon MB-DF will also be introduced. It will give users the option of using either a single high capacity battery EN-EL18 to allow a high speed continuous shooting of up to 10 fps at full resolution (JPEG or RAW).”

          “The Nikon MB-DF will also magically transform the ergonomics of the Nikon DF into … well, basically, a Nikon D4. MSRP: $2,399″

          D-Fusion. D-Flexible. D-Four. DF.

          • silmasan

            “either a single … *or 8 AA batteries* …”
            Sorry!

          • Erik

            Where can I pre-order?

            • silmasan

              Already up for grab at Adreamorama! Just go take a nap! Oh, and DF also stands for D-Five!

            • Michael Sloan

              Dis-Functional?

          • Shutterbug

            Where from do you know?

          • Santa

            Cannot be 3599 for a camera released for Holidays…

      • Cathay

        So true…guts from D600 with higher price tag

        • Sandy Bartlett

          Except for the D4 sensor

          • Ufupuw

            D600 sensor scors higher than D4 sensor on dxomark

            • Shutterbug

              That’s nothing new. I really ask myself, why the D4 got a sensor which scores not as good as D600 does. Despite High-ISO-Performance.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Because those who use it, will ensure you that its the best sensor area among all… Measuring something is different from using something!

              Let me give you an example, if you measure DR at base Iso between my D800E and my D4, you may find that D800E has recorded slightly more, but when you develop the image to make it as realistic as possible (and printable), you may be surprised to find that the opposite is true, because D4′s sensor is more “balanced” than the high resolution one…
              Nikon’s 16.2 sensor is as capable as any at base Iso (by far better than D3S) and beats D3X in detail too… After Iso D400, it beats anything in the market in all aspects of IQ by a margin…

            • R!

              Tank you ,at least some people are not blind round here…
              PXLs dont mean sh…t,the Size/quality/amount of light grabbed are more important.
              Nikon is known for that!

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Despite the fact that D4′s sensor is the best around at and above 400Iso, with amazing resistance to “DR” and “colour info” degradation, it’s biggest advantage is that it has no disadvantage!
              it can do landscapes better than D3X, it can do sports as good as D3S, it can do portraiture as good as a D800, it can even print as large as any (if you know what you are doing) with its files presenting no pixilation at 200% magnification!

            • Joel

              Absolutely agreed. My D800 is essentially my workhorse camera, performing as the primary body for jobs ranging from studio work through dimly lit functions. It’s a marvellous system for anything in great light, but it seriously starts to hit it’s limits with anything north of about 1600 – losing a great deal of detail, crushing the DR into what feels like about 5-6 stops at times (resulting in some difficult choices as to whether to let the highlights or the shadows clip in contrasty environments).

              The majority of my paid work seems to occur at ISOs 3200 and above, so as much as I complain about the lack of a 1/8000th sensor and a slightly crippled AF system, this body would prove to be a huge boon for a person like myself if it were priced south of a D800 body. I can work a small AF spread as I’m reasonably adept at finding the AF lock button, so that’s not a deal breaker. I just want that damned sensor.

            • R!

              102800 ISO 10 FPS !!!!!!!

            • Joel

              Scores poorly in what regard sir? Dynamic range? Colour rendition? Signal to noise? Megapickle count?

              The D4 was not made to be the highest resolution sensor on the market, nor was it made specifically the have the broadest dynamic range. It was however designed to function within a raft of different shooting environments with the lowest noise whilst moving data off the sensor at a blisteringly fast rate. Its the very best on the market by those measures. It’s workhorse of a sensor, a swiss army knife if you will in terms of it’s versatility.

              Perhaps Nikon will somehow manage to bring this body to the market at around $2k by cutting back on the more pricey components such as the 3500FX module, 92k meter, 1/8000th shutter, large battery etc. That could theoretically capture the first time FX buyer looking to access a system with a full lens lineup on the cheap, but it’ll also seriously tempt the professional who knows how to work around the lessor spec’d metering, AF and shutter system and really just wants to get their hands on that amazing D4 sensor at a bargain price.

            • Captain Megaton

              Screw dxomark.

            • hexx

              couldn’t agree more ;)

          • intel

            16mp does not automatically mean D4 sensor,,, unless it has the rest of sensor quality.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Only shutter and AF are guts from D600… all the rest is a further downgrade from it.
          Slower although files are of 2/3rds the size (“weaker” electronics ?).
          A card slot less, no video, no pop-up flash, weaker battery, one LCD less… and maybe more.

          I don’t know where you got this “higher price” that you suggest… What I know, is that if they would do this, it would be the most stupid thing they would ever do because:

          1. There would be no practical benefit to add market share since the camera’s (low) sales would mainly affect some of the D6xx and D8xx series sales
          2. There would be extra expenses to set up a new production line.
          3. Parts stocking would increase expenses further
          4. Production balance between FX models would be difficult to predict and would be unstable.

          This is an entry-level camera that will clearly be priced below D600, that’s why price leakage is so carefully protected (even the admin has no info on it although he is desperately trying) to be announced as a surprise.

          • R!

            Totally agree!!!!!

            • R!

              I still can believe there will be no Video,what is this ?
              …A SUICIDE MISION??????

            • jr456

              It’s a bad product because it doesn’t have video?? Please.

              To all the people wanting video on this camera there are PLENTY of other cameras in Nikon’s lineup that have video or you could:

              BUY A ******* VIDEO CAMERA!

            • Joel

              Hands up those here who shoot video regularly.

    • Erik

      Nice!

    • R!

      F3 category I like it but they need to develop a FE/FM like body,with small dimension and easy to use interface,and cheap priced!!!!!
      Thank you, still waitin.

  • Scott M.

    Bring on the specs!

  • tt_timon

    I could imagine how big this product to nikon and nikon user, not just the retro look, sure nikon made so many craps in compact cameras,BUT when nikon get serious,they mean it, just like the nocti nikkor, the FM series, SP rangefinder, and the 80mm on makina 67,etc u name it, when the japanese want to do it, without considering too much on cost,they can have comparable quality with germans,six videos before the launch, dude, 99 percent you will get the real japanese design and quality

    • stormwatch

      We’re lucky…if there were only 5 videos it would be definetly made in China….BUT WAIT! There are only 5 videos at all! 6th is a compilation of previous videos with some forcedly cooled speech!!!

  • Kevin

    Hype up the crowd with the idea of a simplistic, retro styled innovative camera, and disappoint with a modern looking dslr with lots of buttons and dials, with a very slight hint of retro. At least that’s what it looks like, but who knows until it is fully revealed with specs and test videos. I was really hoping to switch back to Nikon with the full frame, but if the price is over $2,000, I might have to stick with the canon 6D, unless there are some amazing picture quality improvements. All hope is not lost, but it’s not looking so hot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/barefootintactivist Barefoot Intactivist

      Retro and “lots of buttons and dials” are not conflicting concepts

    • Aldo

      you don’t sound happy… 6d owner… that may explain why :P

      • Kevin

        I don’t own a 6D. My first camera was a Nikon F so I Really want another Nikon, and a retro style FF digital would have been amazingamazing. If this camera disappoints in price and specs, I will but a cheap 6D instead of this.

    • rich

      “..disappoint with a modern looking dslr with lots of buttons and dials, with a very slight hint of retro”

      Let me help you save money, since you are a confused person. Just stick with your canon, you are just wasting money switching (unless you just shot with kit lenses) back and forth on
      personal emotions. Sounds like you don’t know what you want in
      photography anyways. Let the Nikonians with nikkor lenses enjoy this retro camera. IQ wise it is speculated it is a d4 sensor.

      • Kevin

        Why are you people so defensive?

        “you are a confused person.” No I am not.

        “you are just wasting money switching (unless you just shot with kit lenses)”. Seriously?

        “Sounds like you don’t know what you want in
        photography anyways.” Here is what I have and what I have. I have a Canon 7d which I use for wildlife photography, which I don’t make money from, but do as my passion. I have a few (non kit lenses) I use for portrait work. I am going to invest in a Full Frame and was really hoping to hop on the Nikon train for my professional portrait and wedding work. If this DF doesn’t pan out which I really was hoping it would, because I started out with Nikon and it holds sentimental value to me. So please stop being such a jerk. Thanks

        • rich

          Go back and reread how your original comment sounds, sound snarky/fanboy. You wine or bitabout a df boosting your canon like a fanboy. Look at the 10 downvotes, we understand /comprehend your fanboy talk, maybe you don’t (this is a nikon forum). You are free to post whatever you want. Post some mature comments you get more mature feedback; sound like a jerk, get the same reaction.

          I have no problem about your 2nd responses, so I will give you a mature debate or perspective. Won’t debating about personal preferences, just perceived informations.

          Price isn’t likely to be under $2000 off the bat, hold onto your 6d. I would guess between 2-3k (niche product, not mass consumer products like the d610 or your 6d. It is speculated to be a same sensor as the d4 a $6k camera). Like you I am praying it will be under $2k, if not then it is the sony A7. I will not sell my 10 nikkor lenses because nikon fail my price expectation, but will pick up a Sony A7 for fun. For IQ, Nikon has stay with more neutral look, it is about more natural color. Canon has less DR and color profile so it looks more saturated and contrasty when I view it. Nikon raw file can handle a lot of sharpening, since it wasn’t sharpen in the first place. See dxomark results. 6d has noise reduction applied in raw, for the high iso so it can look a little plasticity from sample I taken. Nikon offers multiple megapixal ff sensors. For larger photo/light diodes for low light you can pick the 16mp d4/ DF. Then there is the 24mp d610/d600 (like sony a7, A99 sensor). If you want more resolution you can get 36mp and without AA filter for more detail for pixel peeping d800e (sony A7r sensor). Obviously more megapixel means the diodes are smaller and crammed together, so it need more light or noise is the by-factor. Can’t compare sony to canon sensor in megapixel as sony fab are newer (see chipworks tear down). Canon use older sensor fab to save money, but adding new features in the body like wifi built-in. Not necessary for IQ, but quite a convenient feature. Canon might be more focused in video too. Also post production is what make your image look different from other. If everybody shot sooc nikon and canon raw, it would be very boring.

          Again like you I really hope it is under 2k so it would be a fun camera to play with old retro handling/ control with modern features. that is why I am interested in fuji and sony a7 line. I have a few bodies too, d600, d7000, nex3, film manual nikon fm2 & f3hp.

    • stormwatch

      Man…small, old, cheap D5100 destroys 6D in Colour Depth and DR, and you’re just thinking of switching….Nikon is not for you, that’s for sure.

      • Kevin

        D5100 has better color depth and is cropped. Sounds a crap ton better to me, especially when I’m looking to buy a full frame with great low light capabilities.

        • stormwatch

          Then You should look in the refurbished D600 or D610 way….way better than a 6D.

          • Kevin

            Will do. Thanks for the heads up. I haven’t done too much research within the full frame market yet, but definitely will in the very near future to make sure I get the best bang for my buck.

  • piscesen

    Can you imagine these? See red rounded rectangles…
    (This image is little sharpened.)

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      There are still mysteries to be unraveled! No idea.

    • CoffeeGeeker

      The one around the shutter speed dial is to select the drive mode. I’m guessing the one around shutter is the power on / off switch. The smaller one around the shutter might also be part of the power on/off switch. I’m also going to say the shutter is threaded for old timey mechanical shutter cables for remote shutter release, a la the Nikon FM3a and others.

      • http://www.rmjphotography.net/ RMJ

        The one under shutter speed is indeed drive mode. It is controlled by your thumb from the backside. The lever was visible on #5 video.

    • Erik

      Best picture I have seen so far. I think this camera will look great with my AI-S lenses.

  • piscesen

    Can you imagine these? See red rounded rectangles…
    (This image is little sharpened.)

  • Peter

    Just don’t get this fanaticism with retro cameras these days. Who go backwards in usability with those 1 stop shutter speed adjustment buttons?

    • Simon Goldsworthy

      Because, multi function control wheels get in the way of true usability?

      Because people have more fun and control the camera more easily with dedicated rings and dials?

      Because if Fuji can design a system that combines dedicated rings and dials with 1/3 stop adjustment, it’s probably not too hard?

      • Anthony

        Fuji’s design is far more stylish, attractive, and artful, based on retro concept. Nikon , on the other hand, is simply an attempt to make it retro via the awkward combination of modern DSLR and retro style. The result is something bulky and fat with the layout of retro+modern buttons and knobs. That’s why many people feel disappointed now.

        • Vincent

          In the 3rd teaser, it says. “No clutter, no distraction”. However what we see is even more clutter than previous DSLR models. There are loads of button and knobs everywhere from top, front, and back.

        • Sandy Bartlett

          The Fuji is a crop sensor camera, The Nikon is FF. Nikon’s is actually based on real FF cameras, Fuji has never produced a FF, or an old camera of any kind, other than by “concept” And enough people are showing an interest that Nikon will sell all they can make.

          • MisterF

            Please… check your info before posting…
            They did and not only FF

            • KnightPhoto

              That’s interesting, didn’t know FujiFilm was/is Fujica!

          • hexx

            what a load of crap. X-Pan, medium format range finders, medium format SLRs, tiny Fujicas and list goes on… not even mentioning lenses – fuji has a lot of heritage

            • FF this

              Don’t try to enlighten the Nikon Fan Boy with facts..He’s blind to them.

        • mikeswitz

          I own both an X Pro-1 and a D800. I’m not a fanboy of either company. Both cameras produce wonderful IQ albeit somewhat better with the D800 given the FF36mp sensor. But they are very different tools to be used in very different kinds of assignments or situations. Comparing the two on the basis design for being “stylish, attractive and artful” is simply foolish. Who gives a shit if your camera is more “artful”? The question is, or should be did you take more “artful’ photographs with it given the characteristics of the job. It seems to me, at least from what I’ve been able to glean so far from NR is that the Df maybe an attempt by Nikon designers to create a camera that is less conspicuous, more compact and more intuitive for experienced photographers than other DSLRs. And in doing so trying to bring the best qualities of Fuji and now Sony to a totally new kind of Nikon. Maybe if this camera is what an awful lot of photographers on this forum are hoping for, it can fulfill a niche that is now covered by both X series and the D series.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      This has a 1/3 setting on the dial.

  • johnF

    a bit disappointed. because it looks more like a dslr and not much retro design in it maybe except for the shutter dial only. dont you agree?

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      Front and top retro, but the back is all modern.

      I’m not sure, John – not sure at all. I need to see it all at once.

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        On further speculation, I think I’ll get the camera for the D4 sensor and smallish size. Frankly, I wonder how often I’ll use the new knobs. Probably a lot at first, then less and less. It does look good tho – I hope!

      • Erik

        If the front and top are retro, then at least you will look retro to an observer…

  • Jon McGuffin

    So I guess judging by the videos, this camera won’t have a meter, all you have to do is just stare at your subject for a little while then you’ll just know what the shutter speed needs to be and you go from there..

    • Erik

      Sunny 16

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      IF you spend enough of your life taking pictures and paying attention to what your meter tells you, you can. I make a point of always guestimating before metering and can get it within half a stop generally, except at night with artificial light.

      • albine

        Exactly the opposite for me. Can only do that with artificial light. I would ask you out but we would never agree where and when to go! lol

        • BernhardAS

          And when you two meet, you might cancel each other out. Be careful.

          • Oz Moses

            Or, maybe, who knows, Osmosis could happen!
            lol

    • desmo

      The original ” F ” didn’t have a meter,
      but some how I thnk this one does,
      Matrix and all

      • Anónimo

        Look at the back side images and the metering options’s selector is already there (matrix, center weighted and spot).

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      If you that… (I do) no camera has a meter!

  • http://www.facebook.com/barefootintactivist Barefoot Intactivist

    Chances of EVF = 5%? Less??

    • silmasan

      Through the back LCD while in Mirror Up? Pretty high though. Why not?

  • Aldo

    Put a battery grip to ANY current nikon dslr and they all look the same… This camera brings back some long awaited physical style.

  • Bobby

    It is pretty obvious that Df is just another DSLR with zero innovation. Looking at latest products from other camps, we clearly see new ideas , development progress, and outstanding innovations. But with Df, I cannot see anything at all that deserves the word “innovation”. Perhaps I may expect too much from Nikon. Please enlighten me if you find any stunning development and exceptional innovation in this camera.

    • Mathias

      So true….

    • ShakyLens

      If it was me, I’d be waiting to hear the actual specifications before making sweeping statements… but that’s just me.

    • Nats

      There may be not technical progress in Df, but there may be one thing that deserves to mention here. In my view, it is the tremendously improved ergonomic handling and control, thus delivering seamless photography experiences and combining you and your camera into one. This is the message I interpret from all teasers.

      • stormwatch

        Hahahahahahaaha, you must be joking?!?!?!?!?!??!!!!!

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        Where do you see the “tremendously improved ergonomics”? …it’s different and it’s only with respect of setting the shutter or the mode without looking at the top LCD…
        I prefer it this way, it makes me remember how I started using a camera, but this has nothing to do with “improved” ergonomics… and certainly not with any “tremendous improvement”. It’s only saving the second LCD!
        Certainly not something that one would be prepared to pay for… may be saving for would be more sensible.

      • Thom Hogan

        Well, that’s certainly a bit of the implicit marketing message in the teasers, though the teasers don’t actually explicitly do anything to punctuate that. Nikon’s actual release better deliver on that.

        What I see mostly is people responding to a shutter speed dial. Really. We haven’t seen what the other four dials do, though we can guess (one will be exposure compensation, for example). So “improved ergonomic handling” to these people means going back to the camera they learned on. But this new camera still has plenty of the current UI in it, including the rear command dial, AE-L/AF-L button, AF ON button, the combined AF/MF/AF mode switch/button, and so on.

        I think Nikon’s message is going to be: shoot like you do with a modern DSLR, or shoot more simply like you used to, your choice.

        Also, I’m not sure that ergonomics is quite the word you want to use. Some people are going to complain about grip and hand position. What’s different here are type and position of controls. Technically, “perfect ergonomics” is the maximization of productivity. When the marketing campaign says “one great shot rewards everything,” we’re not talking about productivity ;~).

    • Scrooge

      The best innovation would be a price that wouldn’t feel like “Pure Robbery”!!!

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      You are right…
      It’s only an entry level specification product, with only the basics that are needed to function at their basic form, that uses D610′s AF and shutter, but lacks the following from it:

      1. The video, 2. The second card slot, 3. The second LCD, 4. The pop-up flash…, 5. Is slower although files are of 2/3rds the size, 6. Has weaker battery, 7. Maybe smaller screen too (or so it seems)
      ….and has a styling that seems to appeal to many these days, but it’s the first time it’s applied to a mirror-box camera.

      My opinion is, that it was a very intelligent move from Nikon’s marketing department, to introduce their new entry level to the FX line, in a way that the price of it (I think it will be at 1600 in US 1500 in Eu) won’t be related with the word entry-level, but with its “retro” styling and appeal…
      Notice that price is kept as a “last time sealed secret” (it wouldn’t be so preciously guarded if the camera was expensive) to be announced as a final “pleasant surprise”.
      I believe it will sell better than candies and will increase Nikon’s market share considerably.

      • Thom Hogan

        I’m pretty sure it has a 3.2″ LCD, if that’s what you think is “a smaller screen.”

        But taking out video, a second card slot, a second LCD, the pop-up flash, and changing the battery probably amounts to less than US$10 worth of parts differences. On the other hand, it has more buttons/levers/dials than a D610. So if Nikon were to charge less than a D610 for this camera, they would be taking a lower profit margin is my guess.

        Moreover, since we know so little about it, that implies one of two things: it isn’t yet being built (then why announce it just before the Christmas rush) or it’s built in Sendai, which would have higher labor costs. I’ll bet the latter.

        I’ll be very surprised if this camera costs less than a D610, because it’s clearly intended for a more sophisticated user than the D610. Hmm, does it have Scene modes? ;~)

        As for increasing market share: no FX body is going to change market shares much at this point. We’ve had sub-US$2000 FX bodies off and on for some time now (first from Sony), and the market shares haven’t changed.

    • CptHaddock

      It’s probably not innovative (let’s wait). The NiK-CAN-ON haven’t been innovative all these years, leaving that to challengers. But Nikon saw the market response to Fuji. This Df has a vintage look like the Fujis (don’t care), is not compact like a Fuji, but tries to meet a public in search of a specific form of experience (great OVF, direct controls,…). I’m perfectly fine with that. I will not follow the hype. I will just put that camera in my hands, look in the OVF, touch, shoot, and feel if this gear does bring me what I never found in the (technically brilliant) Nik-Can-on FF DSLR to date. Call it emotion.

  • Erik

    Hope the Df can store lens data for more than 10 manual lenses!

    • Alex Dickson

      That is a very good point.

  • cyto

    What did his father use to say? Can anyone teach me?

    • FinchBug

      Find the thing you can do all day without looking at your whatch. Thats your passion.

    • stormwatch

      He was selling him the RETRO story saying that chap doesn’t need a wrist watch when he does something. It actually translates to the assets of DF. Now the only confirmed specification by far (smartly wraped up with the naive son – father relation) – is that new Nikon doesn’t have clock option – after all…it’s a nuisance in retro school.

  • Carl

    Enough is enough. Now would be a good time for someone to leak an image or two….

  • per

    I really think the camera needs to have a hybrid viewfinder. If it does, it will be amazing, a game changer. If it doesn’t, it will be a crippled D700 successor in an exotic package. The retro look is not enough in itself. It needs technological innovation to go with it.

    • fjfjjj

      What do you need an EVF for, if you have a TTL OVF?

      • per

        I would like to have both. I love the OVF: with a hybrid view finder, I would probably use it 80 percent of the time ( especially if there were advancements with LCD overlays). On the other hand, the EVF/online sensor technology have some advantages that I would like to use sometimes for critical work (WYSIWYG; DOF control, focus peeking, AF points spread out, et c.). With a hybrid VF, the Df could be a great street camera: combining a retro look (functional for street photography) with the latest tech, and also shoring up the F-mount legacy, giving soul to the brand.

      • hexx

        well, there are a lot of benefits with EVF – live histogram, virtual horizon, DoF, live exposure preview and so on… I use OVF/EVF roughly 30/70 on my Fuji cameras. these finders are big and the one on E-M1 and Sony A7 are even larger and clearer.

        • Pete Grady

          Not to mention the fact that the mirror will be locked up thus reducing vibration and noise.

          • hexx

            who knows, maybe this is the future of VFs in general, Sony, Olympus and others seem to think so. but on the other hands they’ve decided to start from scratch, new mounts and so on. i use both and can see benefits of both, but the recent EVFs are really good.

      • Pete Grady

        For someone who seems to delight in projecting what’s best for everyone else, you don’t know much, do you?

      • Thom Hogan

        Agree with the others: would prefer both options, as they each have advantages over the other.

        However, I have a camera that has both, and I have a variation of that camera that has only EVF (X-Pro1 and X-E1). What I’m finding is that I pick up the X-E1 more often than the X-Pro1. Now, some of that is because the OVF on the X-Pro1 isn’t completely accurate to framing and focus point, so it’s not as optimal as it could be.

        As Lloyd Chambers has been pointing out: now that we’re in very high pixel count systems, the traditional DSLR is suffering a bit. We need to be able to see and adjust for focus shift, for instance (either that or the camera makers need to adjust for it automatically, though that requires a huge DB of information in the camera).

  • fjfjjj

    If this is “the successor to the D700″ then I ask: What would compel the D700 owner to upgrade to a DF? The manual controls? 15% more linear resolution? I imagine the smaller grip will make it tiresome to shoot with e.g. the 24-70 Nikkor. Some as-yet-unrevealed innovation notwithstanding, I’m not seeing this replacing my D700.

    • per

      Most of those who clamor for a D700 successor I think wants the D4 sensor in a smaller/cheaper package, but still with pro features like the 51 point af system and a big battery. Many I think would accept some retro quirkiness, understanding that Nikon has to make the camera sufficiently awkward for the D4 buyers in order not to compete with this latter body. If there was a battery grip that will take the camera to 8 fps, that would compensate for the quirkiness. On the other hand, the 51 point system I think is crucial for this customer category. The dedicated ad-on button gives reason for hope.

      • T53

        For me any replacement of the D700 must begin with at minimum a 16mp sensor and 51 pt AF system which is what has me looking at this camera but the rest of it comes up a little short so it all rides on the price. Two grand or over, I’m out.

        • KnightPhoto

          you’re out… I don’t think this camera will be < $2K

    • Hulyss Bowman

      Exactly. I will not replace my D700 by this thing even for the ISO it give. I would buy it in + only if it have video but it is no way a better reportage tool than the D700.

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      It is very personal what can replace what… D700 is a camera with minimal approach that offers high association to the user to help him maximise the sensor (AF, speed, CF card, full metal frame etc) that the Df doesn’t….
      If the user is of the kind that he needs those, then Df will be inadequate, if he doesn’t and only likes the sensor characteristics, then D4′s sensor is the most realistic replacement in the market.

      • Thom Hogan

        For once I mostly agree with you.

        Note that most of the responses to what we know and the teaser campaign have been basically emotional, not rational. Of course, we can’t respond rationally until all the final details are filled in, and I’m curious to see how details will swing responses once they are all known.

    • Erik

      Nothing in the PR material hints at this being a D700 replacement. Rather on the Nikon homepage it was placed as a line of its own (before it was removed).

    • Flexy Nikoff

      It will have in-body image stabilisation for old lenses

      • hexx

        how do you know that, do you have more info to share with us?

      • Erik

        You’re dreaming. IBIS will earliest come in the DF2.

      • Pete Grady

        Now THAT would make this camera interesting.

    • The Other JM

      “What would compel the D700 owner to ‘upgrade’ to a DF?”
      The sensor.

  • fjfjjj

    This pre-release PR campaign should have lasted half as long.

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      …Which proves that this is a product aimed to the masses at a price for the masses…
      Another thing that enhances the above (pros that have been involved to advertisement as I have, can confirm this) is that the actor is a typical “mass subject” shooter, that shoots landscapes, fishermen. rivers, castles, sunsets, birds against the sky …etc. Not an artist that would buy a niche camera to shoot (mainly with a “B&W” mind) “artistic street” or “poverty” or “street portraiture” or “shadows”… He is a “colour” typical mass user!

      He is definitely one not “into” photography, but “around” it….
      Adverts are always aiming to the correct “target groups” and they should “speak” to web posters in forums where everybody is trying to be a “marketing expert” of nonsense…
      This is a well designed “entry-level cheapo”, that will be of huge success. ….Very well promoted too!

      • fjfjjj

        Theodoros Fotometria, or Hexx, or whatever your name is, go away.

        • hexx

          Oi!!!! don’t you associate me with someone else! reload this shitty disqus crap to correct nicknames

        • hexx

          And i’ll bite regarding ‘acting like you know’ isn’t it you who tells everyone to get Mamiya 7 and shoot film and whatever – double standards?

        • Pete Grady

          My your feces doth stink…who knew?

        • Tourette

          I’m sorry, can you say that again?
          I’ll try hard to see the compassion expression in your eyes this time… and pay especial attention to your body language. By the way, why do you limp? Are you trying to insinuate something?

          (insert Coprolalia)

  • Stopsurfing

    I started off expecting (and wanting it to be) a stripped-back manual camera, like the F2, but seeing after these teasers and reading the comments, I think Nikon has actually got their head screwed on about this. I now interpret hybrid as meaning two cameras in one – first, a camera like the F100, that a professional can confidently use with AF zooms and utilising modern technology, but with a beautiful big viewfinder (!) and the added capability of using non-ai glass and doing things manually. I would hesitate to buy a purist manual camera purely because I’d need another camera if I wanted to do a job requiring working quickly, chimping the results etc. This camera combines my hobby photography (with old primes and manual controls) with any professional needs I might have (I used to be a full-time photographer but now do just a couple of things a year). A combination between an f2 and an f100 – my dream camera! Very clever Nikon! At least in my book. Now, if you sneak video capability in there unobtrusively as well, I won’t complain…

  • Steffen Bjerre Hokland

    I don’t really have any opinion on the camera. The campaign however… Nikons PR team must be the worst in industry. ‘Now every frame is meaningful again.’ Apparently all frames in the digital era have been idle bulls*** thus far.

    • Stopsurfing

      Most of mine have been :(

    • per

      They started out great with the instant classic “I have it in my hands again”. But from there it went downhill. The last installments are not even platitudes. This is what sloppy, uninspired copywriting can do for you. I wish they had continued in the spirit of the first video, with lines like: “I’ve been waiting so long”, “Alone at last, old friend”, “God, your beautiful!”.

      • Degsy

        You sad f*ck

      • geecen

        It would have been very bad copy writing if they’d written “God your beautiful” rather than “God you’re beautiful”

    • Erik

      I think it depends on who you ask. If you ask me I would say it’s rather good. I am still fond of my FE2 and FM3A:s, I am divorced (which usually means that you are sometimes in a slightly sad mood) and I usually take a walk with my camera for relaxation and reflection. Last summer I was shooting Dunluce castle in Northern Ireland, not very different from the teaser video #5.

    • Anónimo

      Why not to criticize the marketing strategy of the brand if there are so many already criticizing the product itself…even not knowing it?
      But if PR is so bad, why are so many people claiming pro and agnst and following it since teasing one?

      • Erik

        Even in 2013 it is what you do (product) and not what you say (PR) that counts in the end.

  • Hulyss Bowman

    The Camera will be ok for what it will be but…The actor look soooo depressed and alone in this world … At the end its a bad PR, period. If they aim this “kind” of clients, photography world will be as grey and sad at this campaign ! Why they didn’t took a woman at first ? A young woman who learn photography on location with Steve McCurry or Antonio Banderas, roaming around the world (deserts, snow, city …). I would have started the campaign by the end, with the happy girl mastering her TOOL, with the smile of her mentor. Episode after episod you regress in time till the end, when she meet her mentor who give her the Nikon DF to learn how to capture light… Sorry just had a drunk party last night, Imight have some alcohol vapors in the brain :)

    • fjfjjj

      Protip: Work in PR. This is genius.

      • Hulyss Bowman

        One guy from Nikon PR department do not agree with you it seems ;)

    • just a comment

      Nikon PR: “it’s in my hands again”, “pure photography”, “passion” They show a man who is confident in what he does. => Nikon PR says this is the camera for those who love photography, who know what they want.

      You want to show someone who has to learn, who doesn’t know photography. You say it’s a camera for beginners, for someone who needs help.

      What do you think viewers want to be? The confident photographer who does what he wants or the beginner who needs help from a confident photographer who knows what he does.

      • Hulyss Bowman

        I understand what you say but here is my point:

        Who swallow those words ? “Pure photography ”

        This is sad. This camera will not sell to the masses, it is a “niche” camera and this concept is pretty racist in my world. Marketing today tend to aim (and create) some sort of social boxes : The youngs, the old, the rich, the fun … and this bring distances between people. Fact.

        Photography is an universal passion, for some, and a work for many. Camera with manual controls already exist since years like the fuji’s.

        Many of the ppl who will buy this camera NEED to learn too. We never stop learning photography. Many (almost 70%) will end up using it in A or S mode anyway. They will play with it at first and then switch to automatisms because automatisms (like a simple command dial) are more quick to set than knobs. Quickness in setting mean more possibility to capture a moment.

        A student should start learning with a hard tool, like this one, understanding how to set the tool for the correct exposure and all. A camera like this would be a very good school camera and schools would have been my priority market goal. Breaking “niches” and merging “olds, youngs, fun, pros” to re-unit the photographic landscape. Photography should be an happy passion, bright, dynamic yet contemplative.

        Instead of that, Nikon just brought grey sky’s with a grey guy probably under bromazepam, with a fat wallet, with a defender, with a luxury bag and ridiculous sunshades.

        Aiming niches is so 80′ …

        In my drunk PR idea of the morning, even if it represent a young student (I mean 20 years old), the “real” photographer would see if this camera fit him or no for his needs or envy.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          I think you are both right to look at the advert in order to “translate” this product, but I also think that you missed (more or less) the avert’s (suggestion of) target group… Please allow me to repeat a message that I’ve sent to another before… :

          “Another thing that enhances the above (pros that have been involved to advertisement as I have, can confirm this) is that the actor is a typical “mass subject” shooter, that shoots landscapes, fishermen. rivers, castles, sunsets, birds against the sky …etc. Not an artist that would buy a niche camera to shoot (mainly with a “B&W” mind) “artistic street” or “poverty” or “street portraiture” or “shadows”… He is a “colour” typical mass user!
          He is definitely one not “into” photography, but “around” it….
          Adverts are always aiming to the correct “target groups” and they should “speak” to web posters in forums where everybody is trying to be a “marketing expert” of nonsense…
          This is a well designed “entry-level cheapo”, that will be of huge success. ….Very well promoted too!”

          • hexx

            and what if the actor turns out to be a real photographer?

            • ereshoping

              Why is he ?

          • Thom Hogan

            Really? There are more DSLR users wandering around landscapes with no other people in them than walking over to the Eiffel Tower with their family?

            I think you have this backward. The mass market user would be stopping at scenic overlooks, taking cruises, or doing other vacation things. The loner looking for “one great shot to reward anything” is typically a high-end hobbyist/enthusiast.

        • Just a comment II

          Nikon wants to sell an expensive FX camera (even at $1500 it would be expensive). It is not a beginner camera, it’s not a learning tool. It is a niche product (retro, knobs’n'dials camera) in a niche (FX).

          Your advertisement idea would be a cool campaign for a DX entry level camera (with knobs’n'dials) that costs around $500.
          But I would try not to use the stereotype of a young woman needing the help of a older man.

          • Hulyss Bowman

            Yea :)

  • indi

    I can understand all disappointed users still waiting for a real d700- or d300s-replacement, but these Nikon-morrons still don´t serve what many peoples are waiting for and it seems, the Df is not fulfilling these dreams/needs.
    So what? Folks, it´s that easy: Accept, moove to another brand or keep on waiting

    • Erik

      Shoot with what you have today – and enjoy it! Reconsider only when there are better options in a price range that suits you.

      You can come a long way with only a Nikon D40 and a 35mm f1.8g.

      • Pete Grady

        I’ve got a hard drive full of really good photographs shot with a D40x and kit lens. More photography, less masturbation. (OK, I know, what am I doing here? (it’s still dark out and I don’t have this camera yet)).

  • hexx

    sobering up slowly and am trying to work out what would this camera bring to the table for me and started to look at sony a7 again. this isn’t retro camera at all, it has both retro and modern controls and seems to be cluttered a lot in comparison with sony. so the only benefit here would be I guess only AF and that’s it. really, really hard decision to make which way to go. I’ve got a mix of F and M mount lenses. maybe I should keep enjoying using my film cameras in old way and have a digital FF ILC and just use it in modern way in small package.

    • hexx

      and then there’s tech spec to compare, 24 or 36mp vs 16mp – I know with that 16mp sensor I can shoot grey squares at night but I don’t do that :)

      tough tough tough

      I would replace X-Pro1 which isn’t slouch at all and has brilliant lenses

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        How can one compare a mirror less with EVF with a mirror box with pentaprism?
        It’s like comparing a sports car with a caravan… Do you want a sports car or a caravan?

        • hexx

          well, you see I don’t look at it like that. I look at it like comparison between two full frame cameras not DSLR or mirror less as it is completely irrelevant to my needs – don’t shoot sports or wild life.

          I was excited when it was all about pure photography and manual controls but now it looks like 2 cameras in one – cluttered with loads of controls to satisfy both shooting styles.

      • Pete Grady

        “I know with that 16mp sensor I can shoot grey squares at night but I don’t do that :)”

        Then maybe this isn’t your camera.

    • VK

      same here, it’s not how I pictured FM/FE -inspired “retro style” digital nikon. But I’ll wait for official announcement to see if Df will fit my photo style. In the meantime I off to take pictures with FM2 and Ilford PanF, planning to compare film to XP1 and DP2M :)

      • Erik

        If you’re seriously into film and want a semi-digital workflow having the best scanner possible is what will make the biggest difference. For B/W 35mm negs I highly recommend the Minolta Elite Scan 5400 (first version).

        • hexx

          those scanners are hard to get and expensive, the same as Nikons – but they’re both brilliant.

        • VK

          Thanks, I know. But my negs vary from 135mm to 4×5, I do pre-scan on Epson V700 and then few keepers go to professional lab.

      • hexx

        would be interesting what you find out. my findings are that 35mm film can’t compete with either (I too have DP2M and X-Pro1), medium format is different story though ;)

      • hexx

        aaah, disqus thingy is again playing up with names… refreshed and now I see that it’s you :)

  • wootpile

    So it’s a 610 with all the controls on the outside? I would have liked to see a camera 1/3 smaller. If this is the df flagship then perhaps we will get a mirrorless version one day. Small, all buttons, flipscreen preferred. Goooo

    • Erik

      And possibly with D4 sensor (confirmed?) and metering with all legacy glass. Lots of discussion further down this thread about what is possible to do with the size while retaining the F-mount. However, not introducing a new mount is a good thing in my opinion.

  • Erik

    How about a high mp version of the Df to use with the Zeiss Otus 55?

    • Pete Grady

      Already have that. It’s called a D800.

  • malchick99

    No I really don’t feel comfy about this. So essentially this Df has D610 shutter and alleged 39-pt AF (4800?), D4 sensor, D800-grade alloy body, perhaps PC socket, D800-style shutter eyepiece (perhaps with integrated shutter), and some retro elements. That’s it? What’s the point of it apart from “selling” some retro mechanical feel??

    No offense but Df… “Dumb flop?”

    • Erik

      I think it will be an excellent body for use with old manual glass.

      • hexx

        and that’s the reason why I’m thinking again about Sony… EVF and focus peaking is great manual focus aid, or just simple magnification.

        • FinchBug

          To me it is much easier to focus through a big bright optical viewfinder. And I hope that new camera will sport one. Best like FM2. If its sharp in that little window, the image is sharp too. No distraction, really. (I use an F100. In the beginning only AF. Now I even manual focus the AF-lenses. Because: Its in my hands, and I get what I want.)

          • hexx

            that’s true, but still unknown if it features one – would be nice though

      • ereshoping

        Is there really enough potential buyers with old manual glass to make this an economic business decision?

        • Neopulse

          I think there is, this has a certain appeal to the long-time users of Nikon.

        • Pete Grady

          I believe it does. Nikon shipped their 7o MILLIONTH lens this year. That’s a LOT of legacy glass out there that still seems to fetch good money on eBay. That market is about to go up a notch or two in activity.

          • ereshoping

            Is there still 70 million around allowing for breakages, dropping off the boat, getting crushed under the car (insert your own choice of lens demise here) :)

            • kim

              Even if you estimate that as many as 10% of those extremely durable Nikon legacy lenses are broken or perished, you still have enough Zeiss, Voigtländer and quality lenses from Tamron, Sigma, Samyang etc, that I think it’s safe to say there are more than 100 million F-mount lenses out there. It’s a huge market.

        • Erik

          Obviously, Nikon thinks so.

        • Zograf

          I get the feeling that Nikon will start producing anew MF lenses again.. One more way to double the sale at some focal lengths??

  • some.guy from.texas

    Sooooo…given the right timezone, will it change its internal clock with daylight savings?

  • The Other JM

    One thing that we can take from this is that if Nikon has managed to keep the price such a closely guarded secret, then all those premature rumours that prove to be true must be deliberately leaked by Nikon.

    • Pete Grady

      Not Nikon….Snowden.

  • ereshoping

    In the true photography and retro spirit of things…no. You have to change the clock yourself :)

    • some.guy from.texas

      Seems I already have a few retro phones… :-)

      • ereshoping

        Me too. But at least the battery lasts a week !

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      But it appears from screen shots that it has an analog and two redundant digital ones, but nobody is able to figure out why.

      • ereshoping

        Awww….excitement of anticipation (or is that waiting) :)

  • dorothy

    The more I review overall specs, the more I don’t get its 3k price tag.

    • Pete Grady

      WHAT specs? WHAT price? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you seen this for sale somewhere?

      • ereshoping

        ^ whs

      • Atkins

        almost 3k for body. Wanna bet? :)

    • Erik

      3K is as far as I know not confirmed yet. I guess it could be even higher $3-5K.

    • Thyl Engelhardt

      Most of the operating elements that have been eliminated with the introduction of digital cameras have not been eliminated because they were obsolete, but to save money for the expensive sensors/electronics. A well made turning dial for shutter speeds is probably a rather expensive mechanism. The same holds for other elements like a bright viewfinder, maybe a 100% field of view, etc.

      Re-Incorporating those into a body will inevitably significantly increase the costs. So, you really need to include these as “spec elements” into your judgement. Just add USD100 for every turning dial that protrudes from the top face, and 200 for a good OVF. Don’t forget to include another 50 for the thread-in cable release button.

      Thyl Engelhardt

      • Ryan

        A7r can incorporate all into its tiny body, including wi-fi, uncompressed HDMI video stream, and bluetooth, at under 2K.

        • Neopulse

          Yeah but they overcharge their lenses big time. For example +$600-700 more for their 70-200mm E-Mount. They’re not stupid, they know there’s more money in glass than camera bodies. No CF/CF 2.0 (or even XQD for that matter) on their bodies, no weather sealing, less than half the AF-points compared to Nikon (51 pts), Canon (61 pts) and even their older a99 (102 pts). On top of that it uses Contrast detection instead of phase and yet there’s already small bodies that use phase detection.

          It’s not a bad camera, it is light and compact as hell. It’s just that it’s too pricey buying Zeiss-branded lens with a reduced system :-/

  • ereshoping

    With all the excitement will i be able to eat, drink or sleep until its released……….yeah no problem :)

  • jr456

    What I’m noticing a lot of is that there are a lot of people whining about how there is no video on such a camera….some people are never happy…sheesh!!

    • Erik

      I think a summary of the criticism in this and earlier threads looks something like this:
      1) Video : I can live without it, but if it has video, then I want it to be 4K (for grabbing stills from video)
      2) D600 AF module: Don’t like the AF points cluttered in the centre. Low light performance is not so good either. Really hope for a better AF module but there are no indications whatsoever pointing in that direction
      3) 5.5 fps: Is barely ok for me, but would like it to be in the 8-10 fps range.
      4) 1/4000s: As pointed out, shooting at 1/4000s at base ISO 100 is in a way equal to 1/8000s at base ISO 1/8000s. So, practically this is not much worse than on the D700
      5) Size: Not FM3A sized. This camera is not even coat pocketable.

      Of these, 2 and 3 are the ones that will make me keep the D700 (and sooner or later upgrade to a D3S/D4) even if I buy a DF

      • jr456

        I agree with you on the other points…if Nikon is marketing this as a bare-bones shooter’s camera then it would be nice if AF, FPS, etc were in line with a higher end model.

        I just don’t get the video thing. I find shooting video on a DSLR to be a complete lame compromise to shooting on a real video camera. The only thing a DSLR gives you IMO is lenses…because you probably already own them for stills. Otherwise…just a complete wasted feature to me. But then again I do photography…not videography.

        • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

          True about the DSL video being a compromise, but it is good to have some, even very basic, video function on the camera “in your hands”.

        • T53

          What really appealed to me about the D700 was in addition to all it has going for it, Nikon did not force me to pay for video I would never use. And I haven’t. Stills only.

          • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

            Other than a bit for the audio, basic video functionality adds very little, if any, hardware cost. It does start to muck up the clean operation of camera though. It is a slippery slope.

      • George

        In fact I’m fine with all of these, except the AF points cluttered in the centre. Mostly I shoot journalism, people, and life. I put people on the left or right as foreground, and leave background to fulfill a story AF pointed cluttered in center makes my work inconvenient and slower composition. I don’t care how many AF points, but these points should spread out the whole frame.(i.e. D700, D800, or D4)

        • KnightPhoto

          No way around that on FF with a mirror (is a physical limitation of the size of the sub-mirror for AF). For sure what you can do is get a D7100 and shoot it in 1.3-crop. I’ve sometimes thought a D7100 would be a useful for that alone, and at $1,150 it’s a lot of camera for the money.

          On sensor PDAF like on the Nikon 1 is another way to achieve this.

      • KnightPhoto

        There’s a subset of posters here who should just get a D4 and be done with it, maybe you and the whale watcher. Don’t muck about with the DF if you actually need or want the D4. The D4 is a great camera, and for me yes it “just get’s out of the way”. Anyhow, you DF purchasers are gonna like this sensor – no muss, no fuss and I certainly prefer it in low light over the D800E.

        It continues to seem that Nikon wants to sell more D4 than they did D3/D3S. Or at least give you fewer reasons to avoid getting the D4. I sometimes wonder of even the D7100 buffer is set that way to protect the D4 ;-)

        • Erik

          I think you’re absolutely right that the D4 might be a better camera for me than the Df – and participating in this conversation has actually helped made me realise this. It would be logical to sell all my manual lenses to fund a D4. But it wouid still hurt a bit because I have also been waiting for a body like the Df for a very long time.

          However, choices are good to have. And now we have more.

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    This isn’t to sell a CAMERA, it’s to sell a COMPANY.

    The more I think about it, Nikon has a clear message:
    “We are the ones who find pure photography important. We are the ones who have support for lenses that go back decades instead of a handful from last week, month or year. We are the ones who believe in the tradition of getting out with your feet on the ground – a person, a lens, aperture, shutter speed and ISO. Personal. Traditional. Real.”

    • addri4n

      +1

    • hexx

      that’s done through products, not videos

      • Thom Hogan

        And it would be ironic to use video to make the statement that you don’t need video.

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          With all due respect, cloud companies pushing paperless office products print brochures too.

  • addri4n

    I think the message from Nikon is very clear regarding the hybrid thing: either you use this camera almost full manual with much less power from the battery, or you use it full power which tranforms it in a different beast, such as the D700. I also think the D700 users might find a real upgrade in this one only if NDf uses 51 point AF,and the D4 sensor. I dont really believe that lack of video, 1/4000 ss or iso from 100-100k(instead of 50-200k like D4) is a deal breaker. People are interested also in the size of this camera and what if the big N will produce a nice grip for this one?
    So, my last toughts are these(hopes for upgradind D700):
    1. full metal build
    2.OVF
    3.51 AF
    4.16mp senzor
    5. dials for speed because one can miss shooting opportunities

    • Yamagushi

      During few days, it has been discussed widely among Japanese forums about Df’s hybrid. It’s likely to be the blend of old nikon SLR features into digital style. Users will have two options to operate and control their Df cameras. We will see further details soonest. Please be patient.

  • Jeff Curtner

    Some people complain about the Df back being too digital. Well, come to think about it, the old film SLR backs are just plain flat, nothing a modern DSLR can be made to look like them, unless we stripe out everything.

  • Enrico

    Dad, my passion is for watches

    • orpickaname

      hehe, nice one!

  • inevitablecrafts

    i put out my fe2 today, and put it next to my d700

    and i think they wont fit that d700 into that tiny fe2.

    i mean probably they will, who knows, but from all those buttons i can see from the backside of the Fd i think its just a designchange, nothing more.

    another question that raises is if this is the new nikon back to basic design, then wheres a nikon 1 v3 in rangefinder design and a j4 with a centered hotshoe for evfs ? :)

  • jk

    this will be a huge disappointment for many of us, no video, no EVF , no fast frame rate, I cannot imagine who will get this so-called digital FM or “pure” photography tool.
    we need new gen hybrid camera not pure photographic tool.
    wake up Nikon , or you’re gonna lose many of us to Sony.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      I started my x100s just now to take a picture of a rainbow over the rooftops. Three seconds to boot, two seconds for the EVF to stop being blown out and compensate and the next image I saw in the finder was the battery empty symbol.

      True story.

      I had a spare battery a few feet away, so I did get the shot in teh end.

      • hexx

        LOL!!! but still interesting that yours is so slow, my original X100 is faster than your S.

      • toby

        Update to the firmware 2.0. Much faster apprently

    • A photographer

      “I cannot imagine who will get this so-called digital FM or “pure” photography tool.”
      I think a lot of people who are keen on still photography who are tired of using overblown computers instead of cameras, and who take their time with every shot instead of blasting away at everything in sight.

    • KnightPhoto

      “we need new gen hybrid camera not pure photographic tool”

      Nikon is still going to do a mirrorless FX camera as well. And yes it will have 60p ;-)

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