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Weekly Nikon news flash #194

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  • Jer

    No doubt the refurbished D600 would be clean of any dirty sensor issues.

    • http://www.facebook.com/larry.gray.12914 Larry Gray

      Or you could get the current special for $1999 and ebay the lens to take it down to the $1600 range. Plus you would be the first owner with a Nikon warranty, rather than the 30 or 90 day refurbish warranty.

      • V

        Considering that Cameta offers a 1 year warranty on all refurbished equipment. I’d still say this is a decent route to go. Save the the money and time of selling the lens, while getting something that is factory refurbished, guaranteed to work, and like as Jer predicts most likely clean of dirty sensor issues.

      • V

        Plus another 3 years for $99.

  • Brent

    May have to sell the D3100 and D7000…

  • ericnl

    what ever happened to the rumoured D600 firmware update?
    (the one containing aperture control in live-view mode)

    • ronadair

      And the fix for the HDMI black box unaccepability.

      • thomasverbeke

        Any news mod?

  • Spy Black

    iOS only for NPhoto? Bad way to alienate a potential reader base.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      You can also get the old-fashioned paper version.

      • Spy Black

        For free?

  • Spy Black

    The D600 is almost kinda making it’s originally rumored $1500-1600 price. :-)

    • Q

      It has made its $1500 rumour (NR Admin always said this was low and actually nailed the introductory price). In Canada, you can now pick up the kit for $1900, which is what I paid! Dump the lens for $400 and you’re at $1500. But, there’s a good chance you can sell the lens for more. I’ll find out, as my kit lens is now on Craigslist/Kijiji. Body is also selling for $1750. Nikon sees a weak spot in Canon’s 6D. It’s crippled and inferior, more expensive and Canon users coming from the Rebel line need to buy new lenses. Or, they can buy the D600 and immediately have the start of a system. Nikon’s willingness to move volume at the expense of margins demonstrates they are hungry for market share and see an opening. Or, it means they’re trying to move inventory before they introduce the D750 in the spring. :-)

      • Spy Black

        Well yeah, I meant all by it’s lonesome, sans that horrible kit lens. ;-)

      • One More Thought

        Without starting another endless C vs N debate as to which camera is better, I would add this from an economics perspective:

        The fact that the price of the D600 is coming down so far so fast is generally not a good indicator for sales of the D600. Basic economics would say that this means that supply is greater than demand. Now maybe sales are fine but Nikon made too many cameras…maybe it’s not the fault of the camera, but the world economy is still a bit soft…maybe Nikon took a hit with the stories about the dust on the sensor, maybe it’s some combination of all of the above.

        So far as the 6D has been able to maintain price, that’s a good sign for Canon. Now I personally believe the 6D will also come down in price to much the same extent once it has been out as long as the D600…the cameras are simply at different stages in their life cycle.

        However, while it is good for consumers, it is not good for Nikon to see their pricing power for the D600 erode so quickly.

        • One More Thought

          I would only more thing to the above post: perhaps both C and N know the stable price point for entry level FF to be about $1500-1600 US…and so perhaps they both started pricing higher to extract more money from early adopters and holiday shoppers.

        • http://www.facebook.com/craig.houdeshell Craig Houdeshell

          I want to bring another point to bear. We have been told for many years that the FF sensors are soooooooo expensive and that they are a huge part of the price uptick from DX to FX. As an engineer, I called foul on that several years ago. I never believed the price differential was that great after manufacturing scale up to handle the needed volume. Seems my thesis is proven correct. With the price coming down by the week the D600 “new” pricing is close to reality showing us that we have been hoodwinked for years about FF camera costs.

          Some will say N is buying market share pricing the D600 as a loss leader. I say balderdash to that. If prices go back up after the first of the year I will reconsider my position but prices will not be increased after January first.

          What will be interesting will be the pricing of the so-called D400 if it actually appears in 2013. Either there will be pricing overlay of the D400 (dx) with the D600 (fx) – a first for Nikon or there will be a downward price pressure on the D400 which will be good for consumers.

          • MyrddinWilt

            Cost of making any VSLI piece is almost entirely a function of yield.

            The larger the die area, the more opportunity there is for a flaw to ruin the piece. Unlike a memory or a CPU, it is really hard to make a camera sensor with redundancy built in. One fault on a CPU means trashing one core out of four, one fault on a DRAM and they can swap in another memory bank. Can’t really do that the same on a sensor. Can ignore one stuck pixel but a fault on a sensor track can kill an entire row of column.

            An FX sensor has twice the area of a DX sensor. So half as many on a wafer, they will be at least twice as expensive. If the yield on the DX sensor is 50% and the cost is $100 (say), the yield on the FX will be 25% (= 0.5 * 0.5). So those FX sensors cost four times as much to make – $400.

            Now imagine that they have the yield up to 90%. cost of that sensor is now $55 on the DX and the FX yield is 81%, so the cost is $123.

            Yields typically go up as a process is tweaked and they work out the problems. So the price of a chip tends to fall over time anyway – as production capacity rises.

            The price at which Nikon sells a camera is going to be set by the available supply and the demand. There was a huge pent up demand for a lower cost FX body. Now that is satisfied the question is what price they can clear their production at.

            Since the D600 is essentially the twin to the D7000, I would expect a D7000 like price. $1500-$1600 seems right to me. I think the D800 will come down off the initial price as well. $2500 is probably more what it should be selling at.

            • http://www.facebook.com/craig.houdeshell Craig Houdeshell

              Yes, I understand all those factoids. Thank you for finally getting around to my point about production increases and scalability and that we are overpaying, with your quote below:

              “Yields typically go up as a process is tweaked and they work out the problems. So the price of a chip tends to fall over time anyway – as production capacity rises.”

            • Sahaja

              Perhaps you are being generous. Since wafers are round, and FX is slightly over 2x the area of DX, they would get less than half the number of FX sensors off a wafer – add to that the quantities made of an FX sensor will usually be much less than the quantity of a similar density DX sensor (DX cameras outsell FX by many times) and the costs go up more than 4x. I’d reckon its more likely to be 6x to 8x.

              Of course if the keep the prices of FX cameras low sales will go up – demand for sensors will go up and yields improve.

              However I’ll bet FX camera purchasers tend to buy more additional lenses – and more expensive lenses too – so it maybe that manufacturers are willing to make less % margin on FX bodies.

              Nikon is using Sony made sensors – and Sony currently seem to be using larger wafers and more modern sensor manufacturing facilities than Canon – so their yields should be better. This may be one reason why Nikon can price similarly specified cameras lower than Canon.

  • Barb

    ditto about firmware update???

  • Chicco

    itunes? F that noise.

  • http://www.changthai.com Supat Sutti

    I will not buy this camera as it ‘s too expensive plastic

  • http://www.facebook.com/raico Raico Rosenberg

    Interesting opinions: The Nikon D600, an introspective from a landscape photographer.

    http://tenerifephotography.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/the-nikon-d600-introspective-from.html

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