The new Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 180-400mm f/4E TC 1.4 FL ED VR lens will be priced around $10,000, shipping will start in March

The Japanese price of the upcoming Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 180-400mm f/4E TC 1.4 FL ED VR lens is going to be ¥1,287,900 including tax, or around $11,400. Based on this information, I am guessing that the US price of the lens will be around $10,000.

The new lens is expected to start shipping on March 9th, 2018. The official announcement should be on Monday or Tuesday.

There is also a new Nikon EH-6c AC adapter for D4, D4s and D5 DSLR cameras.

Via Nokishita

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  • Michele Perillo

    brrrrrr! Expensive, It better be way better than the 200-500

    • Errr whilst the 200-500mm is an impressive optic, it’s not on par with its more expensive brethren IMHO

      • James R Mercer

        Agreed. It better not be on a par, for the price difference. The 80-400 does better, though, but of course, it’s more expensive than the 200-500. A lot smaller and lighter, of course. 🙂

        • Bob Thane

          I’ve personally found that the 200-500 is sharper than the 80-400, though the 80-400 is certainly a lot easier to hold and faster to focus.

          No doubt the 180-400 will blow both out of the water, of course.

          • Bill Ferris

            And the 200-500 probably peaks in optical quality at 400 f/5.6. It’ll be interesting to see comparisons with the new 180-400.

            • James R Mercer

              That’s interesting because all the ratings show the 80 to 400 being slightly sharper then the 200 to 500. Now I have to think it out again!

            • Bill Ferris

              I’m not an 80-400 owner, however I would describe its rep on the web as being soft at the long end. When I read this report by Lens Rentals (it includes averaged bench test results for several lenses, including the 80-400), that solidified the impression for me: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/08/the-sort-of-great-400mm-shootout/

    • Doug-e-fresh

      I dought that image quality will be a mind blowing difference… it’s all about better build quality, weather sealing and faster focusing that justifys the price difference.

      • When Canon introduced the lens it was 12k as I remember. 10k is not bad if true. As you mentioned pro AF and build will be important for pros. I try to buy used professional lenses that will keep the value for few years. Yes, the money will be blocked. But you may not lose a lot if you have a way of selling it (FM or eBay). This lens will be amazing on D850 for trips to Yellowstone. A 180mm (45mp) to 840mm (21mp) lens with awesome AF is a dream. If the weight is less than current lens (which I doubt) the trip will be without tripod too 🙂

  • Plug

    So the price is high. Fair enough. Now we need to know about image quality which presumably will be excellent. But equally important is ergonomics: will it be lighter than the 200-400 and will it be better balanced with the centre of gravity closer to the body? For wildlife the possibility to hand hold is important.

  • Duncan Dimanche

    So this is a 180-400 f4 with the integrated x1.4 teleconverter ?
    Or can you get more reach ?

    It will be interested to see how much lighter and smaller they managed to make it with the FL glass

    • Eric Calabros

      FL didn’t make the new 70-200 smaller. It just helped them make it sharper without making it heavier.

      • Doug-e-fresh

        Actually… No, the FL coating does not improve sharpness, its meant to repel dirt and water (rain) and make it easier to clean the front element

        • Bob Thane

          True, though it does improve colour correction so it will improve perceived sharpness, plus the higher index of refraction allows for more effective lens designs.

        • CERO

          Didnt they also fixed the focus breathing?

      • Duncan Dimanche

        it made it shorter and lighter… not by much for the 70-200 butit did… oh and that’s a fact 😉

        AND it made the new 300mm f4 a LOT smaller and lighter… in fact it weighs half of what the old one weighted and a lot shorter

        FL :
        Approx. 3.50 x 5.81″ (89 x 147.5 mm)
        Weight 26.63 oz (755 g)

        OLD :
        Approx. 3.5 x 8.8″ (8.89 x 22.35 cm)
        Weight 3.17 lbs (1.44 kg)

        • Sebako

          Phase Fresnel (PF) is what made the new 300mm f/4E PF ED VR so much smaller and lighter than the old 300mm f/4D IF ED. It doesn’t even have any FL elements. (It does have a fluorine coated front element, but not fluroide glass.)

        • Eric Calabros

          300mm f/4 is not FL, its PF. different story.

        • Ed Hassell

          The 300 f/4D and the 300 f/4E PF are completely different animals: the former being standard lens optics and the latter incorporating a phase fresnel prism as one of its lens elements (think the fancy prisms used in light houses to focus beams of light way out at sea) — I suspect the algorithms involved kept a very powerful computer working overtime.

    • 180-400 natively.

    • Doug-e-fresh

      Yeh I’m wondering the same thing about the teleconverter?? More reach or integrated to get you to 400?

      • Bob Thane

        Yep, it’s 180-400 f4 native, and 252-560 f5.6 with 1.4x tc engaged. Exactly the same as any other lens with tc, just saves you time as you don’t have to remove the lens to put on the tc, and it should be sharper since the lens and tc are made for each other.

    • dan p

      Sounds a lot like the canon 200-400mm just 20mm wider.

      • hussey

        Yes, it’s the new version of the 200-400 (of which there is a Nikon version as well).

      • waterengineer

        And cheaper than the Canon, at least in the US.

  • Farhad Moghadam

    i would buy sigma 500 f4 sport for about $6000

    • Good, and you would have a prime. The two lenses don’t really compete with each other so room in the market for both.

    • Amir

      I had it for awhile and when I replaced it with Nikon counterpart,I felt in love with the latter.Oh boy,micro contrast,resolution,color saturation,and focus accuracy on Nikon is superb if we can focus not solely on sharpness that is almost on par.

  • According to the Nokishita article, It goes on sale on the 19th of Jan here in Japan followed by a general March release…

    It also says that the actual cost in the big shops, like Yodobashi Camera will be 1,430,000 yen including tax which is actually $12,650… (Japan has 8% tax) so it seem that $10,000 is a bit of a pipe dream, at least initially.

    Also, since Monday is Coming of Age day and a bank holiday, it’s unlikely the announcement will be on Monday… Of course, they might release information in other countries a day early…

    • I think the January 19th date is for the new adapter. There is no date on the 180-400 announcement (unless I am missing something). I doubt that Nikon will release the lens right after CES.

      • br0xibear

        CP+ announcement together with the D5s.

        • Jacobus DeWet

          No D5s expected before late this year. The last lenses to be upgraded tp FL is the 300 f2.8, 200 f2 and 200-400f4. I would love to have the new 180-400f4.

          • I don’t think they will upgrade the 200-400 after the new 180-400 is announced – the 180-400 is the upgrade of the 200-400.

            • Jacobus DeWet

              The 180-400 is an “upgrade” or replacement of the 200-400f4. so with this lens the only 2 left for “upgrade” to FL is the 300 f2.8 and 200 f2. Both are relatively “old” but we know optically fantastic. The upgrade is the inclusion of FL and lighter and slightly more compact

            • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

              possibly a good time for Nikon to update those two longer focal macro lenses 105, 200mm f4 as moaned by me earlier in this thread.

          • br0xibear

            “No D5s expected before late this year.” ?
            The D5s is very much expected in March according to Nikon’s own flagship schedule.
            Do you have information from somewhere that says Nikon have changed their schedule, or is it a personal opinion ?

            • ITN

              Where is “Nikon’s schedule” published?

            • br0xibear

              I’m talking about their schedule for bringing out the next flagship model, which has been consistent since 2007…or are you just trying to be a sarcastic tit ? (sorry for the language Peter…just had enough of these type of comments).

            • ITN

              My point is that no one outside of Nikon knows what their release schedule is for unannounced new products, unless you have new information to add. Nikon product sales have crashed through the floor basically, so you can’t just assume there will always be a new product in a frequent succession especially in a market which largely doesn’t exist any more in the sense that it used to.

            • br0xibear

              Obviously only Nikon know about future releases, but what I posted was that their flagship cameras have always been consistent in their timing, so it’s more than reasonable to say they will stick to that schedule…hence I wrote “The D5s is very much expected in March according to Nikon’s own flagship schedule.”.
              If it had been released before, or isn’t released until late 2018, then that would be outside their normal timing.
              If you have information, an opinion then by all means add to the discussion…but I, and I know Peter is as well, am getting mighty pissed off by people posting just to start fights and arguements for no reason.

            • ITN

              I am not trying to start any fight. I believe Nikon haven’t sold enough D5’s to justify a mid-term update D5s. The professional sports photography market is in sharp decline in terms of payments for publication and I don’t believe photographers can afford to update equipment like they used to. Many of the sports photographers I know have moved to other work because it no longer pays enough to make an acceptable living. In my opinion the D5 is the best camera for action and low light but even so, the sales are not good. Canon make updates to 1DX series in 4-year intervals and capture most of the sports photography market. So I believe it would be reasonable for Nikon to move to a 4-year update schedule on the action flagship camera.

            • David Gottlieb

              br0xi —- Nikon past releases may have been consistent, but that can always change. It has with many other manufacturers….

            • br0xibear

              I never said Nikon couldn’t change their releases timings, what I said was according to their past flagship schedule, a D5s is expected 1st q 2018.

            • David Gottlieb

              Gotcha – but my guess is that there is no D5s coming out in the first half of 2018. When I was back in NY a few months ago, I very reliable source who has worked for more than 30 years as a Nikon salesman at one of the big retailers, stated that there might not be an “s” version of the Nikon D5. That was a rumor he had heard, but who really knows. I don’t think the Nikon reps who work for Nikon even have a clue as to what is in the pipeline.

            • Jacobus DeWet

              I have a friend that works for Nikon Japan and the indication is that the new strategy to focus on high end equipment and present “game changer” technology to the market means a potential longer product life cycle with bigger focus on firmware upgrades. There is also currently a very strong action on getting the mirrorless products to the market. But this is not formal, this is office talk/speculation as the actual release dates and cycles very much depend on product completion deadlines and extensive prototype testing.

            • br0xibear

              I don’t have any friends who work at Nikon Japan, Peter hasn’t had any information about a change with the D5/D5s, neither has Thom.
              All I know is that Nikon have a regular flagship schedule, they’ve been consistent with it since 2007, and if they stick with that schedule a D5s is expected in the 1st quarter 2018.

      • spam

        New adapter? Isn’t this the new 180-400 with a build in TC? Similar to Canon’s 200-400?

          • spam

            But as you point out, that’s already in stock at B&H.

            • It’s a new product, probably not yet announced in Japan.

          • Ed Hassell

            I understand that Nikon needs to make a profit; however, $360 for what amounts to a typical small computer power brick masquerading as a camera AC supply with Nikon’s name stamped on the side is highway robbery — just like the [expletive deleted] charger for the En-EL18-series batteries.

            • I can’t argue that one – those are Leica prices…

            • Ed Hassell

              Remember this name: Kapaxen . . .

            • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

              agree with you on that – the D5 battery charger for the D850, the two recent battery grips, MB-D17 MB-D18 are another rip off so they say and they are not interchangeable between the D500 and D850.

              Time if it is safe to look for the OEN / 3rd party solutions = means less sales to Nikon and negative kudos to Nikon, e.g., p%^%^sing of their loyal customer base even more, e.g., DL who had to purchase Sony, Pany, Canon, Fuji, etc equivalents.

              Sorry for my constant moan Admin.

            • David Gottlieb

              It is highway robbery. It’s an adapter. What’s in there. A Lithium Battery, a step-down unit, maybe a couple of capacitors, the attachment jack to the camera, some solder and some labeling. Doesn’t seem like it would be that hard to build a universal
              one at under $100.

      • Sebako

        I wonder if they’ll have specimens of the 180–400 in the NPS pool for the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang. It starts on 9 February.

        • I think they will.

  • William Faucher

    I really, really hope they manage to fit it into a smaller package like the Canon 100-400 f4. The 200-400mm is just massive.

    • spam

      They wont. It’s one stop faster than the 80-400 (or Canon’s 100-400). Plus the build in TC. The Canon equivalent it 3.6kg.

    • 400mm at f/4 requires a front element that is at least 100mm wide or it couldn’t be an f/4. Therefore, what you are asking is physically impossible.

  • James R Mercer

    And… that’s why I’ll probably buy a Nikon 80-400.

  • Chandan

    My Expectations: as good as 500f4 in terms of sharpness and focus speed, acquisition at 400mm. Better with inbuilt TC @560mm than 500 + 1.4 TC both in sharpness n focus speed. Great bokeh. 2.6kg weight. Let’s see. Anything less than this will be a bummer.finger crossed. Bit too more expectations. LOL

    • David Gottlieb

      I use the previous non-FL version of the 500/ f4 and am very happy with it. Amazing lens. The 600 might be a tad sharper but hard to tell, but the 500 is lighter. Will the 180 – 400 be as sharp as any of the super -tele prime lenses from Nikon? That is the ultimate question for me.

      • Chandan

        I have doubt. My expectation is at per FL series 500mm and obvious the focus acusition and speed.

        • David Gottlieb

          I have my doubts also. Although I am sure it will be much sharper (and probably faster) AF than the 80-400 or 200-500… We shall see…

  • animalsbybarry

    Sounds like a great lens

    Sounds like I will not be getting one

    • A. F.O.

      eh eh eh! I too, will not getting one.
      But anyone on Earth could offering me one 🙂
      Too Leica priced?

  • Spy Black

    No one notice the $360 AC adapter…

    • br0xibear

      Yeah I noticed lol, did no one notice that the current EH-6c AC Adapter already works with the D4, D4s and D5 ?…so why the new adaptor ?…D5s.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Not the current mark up on Nikon’s grips Mb-d17, Mb-d18 (also not be interchangeable between D500 & D850) and the steep price of the Nikon D5 battery charger (MH-26a) £350+ each

  • MonkeySpanner

    So – it seems Nikon has been signalling a lack of interest in consumer level product.

    • ZoetMB

      If so, that’s because consumers have been signaling a lack of interest in Nikon-level product. Besides, just because Nikon puts out something for the high-end doesn’t mean they’re not also going to put out something for the lower-ends.

      But in this market environment, you’re not going to see 6 to 9 lens releases a year anymore. (And for all we know, Nikon just might be putting consumer resources into a mirrorless and associated lenses.)

      If they came out with a D5s, which a lot of people are screaming for, would you complain that this means Nikon will never put out a D3500? It’s the high end that sells the reputation of the company and creates the brand. Even back in the early film DSLR days, people bought Nikkormats based on the reputation of the Nikon F.

      Furthermore, not including this lens, there are 98 lenses in the current Nikon lineup (both DX and FX, including TC’s and the old AI-S manual lenses). The average number of lenses sold per body is about 1.6. There are more than enough lenses for almost any consumer (as opposed to a serious hobbyist). Most low-end consumers never buy anything but their kit zoom. One can argue (as Thom does all the time) that there isn’t a full set of DX primes, but “consumers” wouldn’t buy those anyway. Only serious photographers are interested in such lenses.

      • MonkeySpanner

        Well, I think the 35/1.8 DX has sold pretty well. If I am a DX body owner who doesn’t want to buy expensive larger than necessary fx primes – what are my options? Fuji?

        • ZoetMB

          There wouldn’t be all that much of a size/weight difference in those lenses at 50mm and below and for the same quality, they’re wouldn’t be much less expensive. I had a D70, then a D200 (and now a D800) and although I had a few DX lenses initially, the only one I wound up keeping was the 12-24DX. All my other lenses were FX (mostly the 2.8 zooms) because I knew that one day, I would probably move up to FX and I’m very glad I made that decision.

          Besides, I wasn’t arguing that Nikon shouldn’t release DX primes. I was only arguing that the low-end consumers wouldn’t buy them anyway and that the release of a pro lens doesn’t mean that Nikon is giving up on consumers.

        • Sebastian

          Yes, Fuji. That pretty much sums it up.
          But -and that’s the big problem- you won’t have any long lenses in your new system anymore except for the 100-400. While with Nikon DX you have tons of choices these days, both Nikon and third party.

    • Sebako

      Nikon is, as usual, signalling that they will not allow a situation to stand where Canon has something that Nikon has not. Thus it was last year with the 8–15mm f/3.5–4.5E (for competing with the EF 8–15mm f/4 L) and the AF-P DX 10–20mm f/4.5-5.6G (decidedly a consumer product by the way, competing with the EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6).

      In this case it’s the EF 200–400mm f/4L IS USM that wouldn’t let them sleep. Arguably that lens exists because Canon, for their part, saw the Nikon 200–400mm f/4G VR and couldn’t let their customers go without something similar. Only they did Nikon one better with the integrated teleconverter, and so now it’s Nikon’s move. So it has always been between Tokyo and, well Tokyo. (I believe their headquarters are something like a kilometer apart.)

      It’s almost funny, while the Internet is all worked up about mirrorless and Sony and Fuji and smartphones, back at Nikon headquarters all they have eyes for is still what Canon is doing (in the DSLR space).

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        true a bit of a dinosaur sort of approach – stop looking at your direct competitor and look at all competitors including like what you excellently pointed out the mirrorless and smart phone kids on the block, Sony, Fuji, Apple, etc, etc and take appropriate action.

  • Bill Slattery Jr

    Is it f4 all the way to 560mm? Or just up to 400mm? Do you need to press a button or do something to have the TC kick in? Or just zoom past 400mm? Hope they make it so there’s some way to obviously know you just upped your aperture if it jumps past 400mm. With this high of a price tag it may help to raise the 200-400mm used prices which are ridiculously low right now.

    • Fatih Ayoglu

      At 180-400 it is constant f/4
      At 250-560 it is constant f/5.6 (the effect of TC1.4)
      There will be a flick kind of switch to activate TC I presume like the Canon version.

      • Bill Slattery Jr

        Thanks Fatih. That really is amazing. A TC that’s there but isn’t.

        • Fatih Ayoglu

          exactly, plus since the TC will be optimized and inbuilt specifically for this lens, I expect a good result

  • Gary Gruber

    Maybe I need 2 (one for each hand)?

    • Maybe make a pair of binoculars out of them.

      • TurtleCat

        Actually, binoviewers are a niche within astronomy. Usually with less expensive optics but they tend to have a couple of several thousand dollar scopes tied together with some premium eyepieces.

        • Yes, in fact, those were the inspiration for my comment. The first one I saw was a pair of 17 1/2″ Dobsonian telescopes…totally crazy when you think about it! It was back in the 1980s in an issue of Sky & Telescope. The whole apparatus was home-built and the guy described the elaborate method by which he aligned the two scopes. I remember, too, that he had gone to great pains to grind each of the primary mirrors to the exact same focal length within a very tight spec. No easy feat I can assure you having ground a mirror myself. The theory is that you get an approximate increase in aperture of around 40%. So, those 17 1/2″ scopes had the light gathering power of a single 24 1/5″ scope. I’d love to look through something like that one day…I’m sure it’s impressive.

  • Bill Ferris

    Hmm, for the $8,500+ price difference between the 200-500 and the new 180-400, one could buy a D850 and a used 500mm f4G VR. The 200-500 is probably at its optical best at 400mm, f/5.6. It will be interesting to see just how much sharper this new lens is at 400mm, f4-5.6.

    The new 180-400 will probably appeal to professional sports and wildlife photogs. It’s a deductable business expense. Durability, optical quality and fast AF make a difference to one’s bottom line. However, the vast majority of enthusiasts desiring that focal length range will be much better served by the 200-500, by investing in a good quality used 500mm prime, a more capable camera body…or both.

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      The 300 f4 mk 1 & mk 2 could be a good lens to invest in and coupled with the 1.4 TC could yield good results.

      • Bill Ferris

        A sharp, compact and lightweight option fo bird and wildlife photography with an APS-C body. It’s too short to be the primary option for birds & wildlife with a full frame body.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          Good call Bill.

    • ned

      Yes if you want a lens that focuses slower, loses a stop of light, and is less sharp, you can pay a lot less money. Good point.

      • Bill Ferris

        A used 500mm, f/4G VR will cost a lot less, that is true. However, it has the same maximum aperture as the new 180-400 will have. It will probably focus at least as fast, be at least as sharp and may be superior to the 180-400 in both categories. There will inevitably be reviews comparing the two…and the 200-400, the 400 f/2.8 and others. Those should be interesting.

        If your comments were directed exclusively at the 200-500, you forgot to mention the part about being able to use that lens to make excellent images. That’s an important factor considering that the vast majority of enthusiasts don’t have the financial means to spend $10K+ on gear. For those who do, an upgrade to a D850 and a used 500mm, f/4G VR is but one of several options to consider.

        The weight of the new 180-40 will be a huge factor. If it’s not significantly lighter than a 500 f4, that may limit its attraction for wildlife photogs. It may be hugely popular with sports shooters. I’m looking forward to see images taken with this lens during the upcoming winter Olympics.

        • ned

          A 500mm prime is a different lens with different purposes than a 180-400mm zoom.

          “you forgot to mention the part about being able to use that lens to make excellent images”

          If you are totally happy with the performance of your 200-500, then there’s no need to make comments about a $10k pro lens. “Excellent” is subjective. I own the 200-500 and have owned 3 f4 primes; they are in different leagues in all respects.

  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    A fair price for pros and low volume, niche product ( from a non pro sort of view point)- although Nikon needs to update the older lenses in their line up (105 & 200mm f4 macro) and improve some par point lens 24-120 f4) – but to keep price in line with the current models or not much as a mark up on the current versions.

    • David Gottlieb

      I don’t see what improvements need to be made to the 105 micro. Fluorine coating might be nice to keep dirt off of, but it won’t really improve it much. The 105 micro is an incredibly sharp lens.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        Good call on your findings – improves to the VR unit ( think it is a first gen 3 stops) and to make it Electromagnetic diaphragm, Silent Wave Motor, AF-P to improve it for both stills and movie macros. But the 200mm F4 Macro could definitely do with an update with the stuff mentioned – although optically these two lenses are superb.

        • David Gottlieb

          Agree – the 200 micro is definitely in need of an upgrade. It’s widest aperture is f/4 – Imagine if the 200mm f/2 beast was made into a macro…. It would be impossible to use. The f/2 is a killer of a lens, but so difficult to handhold….

  • If they are going to put early copies of this lens (before going on sale) in the hands of sports photogs at the olympics, they will have to announce it in the next month.

  • Tieu Ngao

    We need a breakthrough, in science and technology, to help make these big and expensive lenses become something much smaller and cheaper.
    Personally I don’t like any lens that weighs more than 1kg and can’t afford any lens that costs more than $1500.

    • Sebastian

      These days you can almost have it. The 300/4 is super light, a bit more expensive than you want. If heavier is OK you have quite a few choices for less than 1500.
      The technological breakthrough are diffractive elements. But they are not dirt cheap.

    • A breakthrough that you describe is not going to make lenses small and light, but sharper. You can buy a small and light lens today. But you don’t because you want optical quality.

  • David Gottlieb

    My only concern is the built in TC – Knock it slightly and will it go out of alignment???
    It’s a great idea and I’d love one, but only if it could take a bit of a beating out in the field.

  • Julian

    I’m still very happy with my 200-500, which cost me $1600 new, and so this lens would need to be $8400 better… I’m wondering on the demand for this lens at this price.

    • David Gottlieb

      Of course there is demand. The competition for sharp photos from publishers and editors and creative directors, etc. is fierce.

      • Julian

        There is competition too from the likes of Sigma and Tamron, and their build quality at the top end is pretty impressive now.

        • David Gottlieb

          QC is questionable with Sigma lens production, unfortunately. Check the internet about problems with Sigma lenses…..

          • Julian

            I think the problem is less QC, but more that Sigma lenses need to be designed generically, and so they are not always setup optimally for the Nikon sensor position, that is why they have a usb lens dock that allows you to fine tune the focus. I think most users are not prepared to go to the lengths of buying a doc and fine tuning a lens, (which is not that easy). My own experience is with the 50mm f/1.4 Art which is currently my favourite and I would also say my sharpest lens, but I would have returned it if it had not been for the usb fine tuning. Otherwise the build quality on the Art lens is as good as my other pro Nikkors.

            • David Gottlieb

              Thanks – I had a Sigma lens that broke down within a month after purchasing. The AF went. The lens was nearly as sharp as the Nikon equivalent — What a pain as I was using this lens for an extended shoot. Oh well. I felt burnt, even though I got it repaired. That is when I looked on the net and saw so many complaints concerning Sigma lenses. Hopefully, they have improved their QC….
              Had a Tamron lens once in film years — an extreme wide angle lens. It was pretty sharp, but I never used Tamron afterwords.
              For Nikon, I stick with Nikon lenses. My worst nikon lens 17-35 f/2.8. Three times I had to have it repaired by Nikon for the same diaphragm problem. And it still has the same problem.

            • Julian

              I think QC wise both Sigma and Tamron have made huge improvements in the last few years, that said if you want the best I think we all agree here that Nikon is the place to go.

              What I really like about this new lens is the innovation with the inbuilt TC – thats a really good idea and welcome to see.

    • Pablo And-Jennifer Gabetta

      I can use my 200-400 f4 vr in pouring rain no questions ask. When I had my 200-500 I could not do that.

      • Julian

        I shot once with my D3 and a weatherproof lens when I travelled to Barcelona, and they actually had 2 full days of rain (practically unheard of). My D3 after 1 day stopped functioning, and I had to send it in for repair. Nikon found that a fractional drop of water had got into the lens mount, and was shorting the electronics in the body. The lesson I learned from this – do not ever assume your kit is fully weatherproof.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          True on that – been there and done that – if there is any possibilty of medium and heavy rain tend to use a waterproof body and lens jacket and if there is less demands on the shoot – use a cheaper alternative, eg.., rx100, m4/3, smartphone instead still yield good results.

        • Bob Thane

          Yep, I’ve used a D3200 and 18-55 in heavy rain and it was fine, and other times the pro-level cameras have shorted out. The pricey stuff is better, but none of it’s waterproof. If you need the shot, go for it, but if you know you’re facing extreme weather you should always bring a raincoat for the camera.

          • Julian

            One simple botch it solution is easily reached with a clear plastic bag, and some scissors and elastic bands (please don’t sue me if this fails;). Usually this is sufficient for pro kit, which I agree can usually take some punishment (just not too much).

  • William Dyer

    I own a 200-400 f4 Nikon and am very happy with it. The new 180-400 f4 will have to be pretty amazing to make me want to replace my current lens, especially at $4000 more than I paid for my current lens.

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