New batch of Nikon D850 cameras now shipping, Lightroom support rumored to be announced tomorrow


As I already reported, the next Nikon D850 shipment was expected to hit US stores in mid-October. B&H and Adorama were closed for the past two weeks, but other stores have already started shipping D850 cameras to existing pre-orders. Several people from Europe also reported D850 deliveries in the past few days.


The Sony 128GB XQD G memory cards are finally back in stock (they were sold out since the D850 was announced).


Tomorrow Adobe is rumored to announce a new version of Lightroom with support for the Nikon D850 (not sure if it will be an update to the current version or the already rumored new release).


Check D850 availability: B&H | Adorama | Amazon | BuyDig | BestBuy | Cameta Camera | Focus Camera | eBay | WEX | Jessops

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  • Connor

    Can’t believe it’s taken Adobe this long to get lightroom support.

    I’ve been using capture one in the meantime and I must say it’s night and day performance wise incredibly snappy on my hardware compared to Lightroom.

    Let’s hope this version finally starts making use of higher end systems with cores and memory to spare. if not I can see myself moving over to capture one

    • BlueBomberTurbo

      You can use DNG Converter to use LR.

      • Connor

        When I’ve taken a couple of hundred images the last thing I want to have is an extra step to processing them. it’s a lazy workaround on adobe’s part.

        • BlueBomberTurbo

          I’m guessing LR7 was so close, they didn’t want to waste development time on a soon to be outdated version of 6.

          • Luis F. Vidal

            I honestly don’t think that adding RAW support specially for Nikon or Canon can be a thing that can take more than of a couple of hours for Adobe.

            • TurtleCat

              Not as a quick and dirty thing. But if they (not saying they do) do validations and ensure that the color information isn’t subtlety different and if they optimize their profiles for lens correction then it would take more than a few days most likely. Plus any change has to go through change management, QA, release cycles, etc. So the raw time to add some code is a small part of a release duration.

          • Thom Hogan

            Not exactly, as 6 will be updated shortly to support the D850 (might already be today, haven’t looked yet).

        • 1. Use DNG Converter to process raw to dng in different folder than source (either use the card as source and some folder as destination, or copy stuff from the card to a disk first and create other folder as destination).
          2. While (or even before) DNG Converter is processing, use Lightroom’s Auto Import function (File-Auto Import), select the destination folder from DNG Converter, change your import settings to taste.
          3. Lightroom will import new DNGs while DNG Converter is still processing.
          4. Profit.

          Let’s hope that the new Lightroom is a great brave thing – they did not update LR because they’re will release D850 support with the new big release (rumors says tomorrow or next week).

          • Allen_Wentz

            All RAW conversion is NOT equal. Carefully eyeball C1 versus ACR/DNG.

      • kino13

        I am doing that at the moment, what I don’t understand is that the file size of the DNG’s are about 40Mb, while the raw lossless compressed is around 60. In fact, the size of the uncompressed looks the same as well.

        • TurtleCat

          DNGs are lossless compressed. There’s no reason to ever use uncompressed raw as lossless compressed is identical except for the disk space involved.

    • Lladnar

      Same here. There’s a few things I miss from LR in C1 but almost always better color and good workflow once you get used to the differences. Need that power under the hood with these bigger files too.

      • Connor

        Honestly if Adobe don’t match the performance i’m seeing out of capture one I’d be willing to learn the workflow and make the switch. So much more fluid files import faster making adjustments are near instant and I do quite like what it does with colour

        • Lladnar

          Being able to work on a photo with lots of others ones on the screen at the same time is very cool. Let’s me balance a set of them nicely.

        • TurtleCat

          The most painful part of capture one is the file management. If you were an Apple Aperture person you’ll probably be fine but if you are a file system managed person C1 will disappoint. You can make LR very similar to C1 out of the box, though, with a medium tone curve, camera standard control, some added sharpening and some mild noise reduction.

          • Allen_Wentz

            The good news is I am an Aperture person.

          • humenbean

            And then the photos are unable to be edited because of LR system crawl because you did noise reduction and sharpness on all your photos.

      • is C1 $300? or am I seeing the prices wrong? I think I’ll wait and see what Adobe comes up with.

        • Allen_Wentz

          C1 is a bargain. Adobe will come up with a way to make your files die if you fail to pay them every month forever.

          • TurtleCat

            Well, you do get perpetual use of Lightroom without the develop module functioning and, I think, maps. So it’s not that bad if you leave CC.

            • KnightPhoto

              Didn’t know that, thanks

            • 24×36

              “Perpetual use of Lightroom without the develop module functioning” is akin to perpetual use of your car without the ability to go where you want to.

            • TurtleCat

              Yes, although you do get to at least view, export, etc. your files which is valuable.

          • br0xibear

            “All Lightroom products now require a subscription. Lightroom CC 6.x will be the last stand-alone, non-subscription version that Adobe releases;
            it will be updated for bug fixes and camera compatibility through the end of the year.”

            I use Lightroom as a stand-alone piece of software, but I’ve been thinking of moving to Capture One for a while…now there’s even more reason to move.

          • peter w

            C1 is defenitely not a bargain. They have about the same policy and the same price, every larger software producer is moving to subscription models.
            For me it is worth it, Capture One. Sometimes I got better results in LR, mostly in COP. for incidental photos sometimes Capture NX is faster.

          • PhilK

            And that business model has been a massive windfall for the company.

            Adobe’s profits recently have been stratospheric.

            Now, what benefits do the users actually receive from all that corporate profit, besides a perpetual rental fee..

    • Horshack

      Adobe has D850 support done since they rolled it out in ACR/PS some time ago. They held off adding it to LR to roll it up into their upcoming major release.

      • 24×36

        Meaningless to LR (only) users. And they should be providing support for the last full LR perpetual license version, not requiring another (otherwise) meaningless “version upgrade” to get it.

        • Horshack

          I don’t disagree. It’s hard for them to give it out for free so close to a major release when they know deferring it will guarantee them thousands of forced upgrades.

          • Thom Hogan

            I don’t think that was the reason, but it’s easy to get cynical about Adobe.

            • Horshack

              You’re probably right – with today’s announcement of LR “Classic” and CC (which include D850 support), Adobe also announced an LR 6.x update that will have D850 support as well. It’s scheduled for October 26th.

        • Thom Hogan

          As I understand it, 6 will be updated to support the D850. If it isn’t already (haven’t looked today) it will be soon. But camera updates for standalone 6 users will go away sometime after the end of the year. At least this is what I’m told by Adobe.

      • It’s not a perfect solution. The camera profiles and Raw m/s support is not there which are very important for colour fidelity.

        • peter w

          Adobe is supporting more NEF file types than other brands. Including COP.

    • I already stopped LR a year ago and very satisfied with Capture One.

    • sgredsch

      yup same here – fed up with adobe shenanigans. also tried capture one and its incredible when ur used to adobe software, lol. finally i can put my monster rig to use. when i exported some jpgs today it finished so fast i thought it only exported one of them. colors are beautiful, sharpening is awesome, and the speed is day and night to adobe.

      id advice anyone interested in trying better software to have a look at the capture one – for those like me who got confused about the sessions and catalogues should have a look at their youtube tutorials, they explain everything. so far im really really satisfied with c1.

      • kino13

        This past month I have checked other options apart from LR, what I found about C1 is that it only supports one screen (bad start), and the color adjustments were very subtle to me. If I want to “burn” a picture with unrealistic colours that’s my problem, and lightroom definetely allows me to do it.

        Take all this as just an opinion, I am experienced with adobe tools, but I have used C1 just for a few hours.

        • humenbean

          This is the type of crap that got us in trouble in the first place. Lightroom and C1 should be used as catalogs with mild editing. For 99% of users. But someone like you comes along and says, ‘I want more! I want this super ridiculous specific thing!’ Go use Photoshop or Gimp. Stop trying to get companies to deliver a jack of all jack of trades.

    • Thom Hogan

      It didn’t take them long at all. The real delay was that they’re launching two new Lightrooms today and didn’t want to do a dot release a couple of weeks before that.

    • peter w

      Nothing wrong with COP. Check the pricing, steep, and yearly a totally new paid version. I have the monthly paid version.
      I had to save all my files again (batches per directory) since Nikon transfer alters the files sometimes in a way COP can’t handle.
      I don’t use the catalogue, just sessions. Since i use a different DAM.

  • 24×36

    Love the graphic, LOL.

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  • Horshack

    Nikon’s NX-D does a much better job with moiré than ACR for D850 files. I posted a comparison here:

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1513048

  • D900

    Is there anybody heard anything from B&H lately regarding this latest shipment?

    • no, I have not seen any shipments from the big three but they are always a day or two late

    • Ali Moradi

      Nope. I ordered from B&H a while ago and it just says “On Order”. I suspect that they’re still going to take a while.

    • Ali Moradi

      Actually, I just talked to B&H and they said they’re still fulfilling orders from August, so more than likely nothing until the end of the month.

    • luc_fr

      yep, “Order Sent To Warehouse” today 😉

      • Derek Seasons

        me too. High five

        • D900

          When did you guys order?

          • luc_fr

            I think ~ 7:30AM central on the 24th (non-nps)

          • Derek Seasons

            8/24 @ 7:41am est

            • D900

              Just checked my order status. It’s also been sent to warehouse for processing. The credit card is charged as well. It must be a good day. 🙂

              P.S. I ordered on 8/24 7:49AM EST

            • Nice! This is B&H, right? Amazon and Adorama will follow tomorrow.

            • Michael Hatzel

              Maybe Adorama, probably not Amazon. Adorama and B&H were both closed for two weeks due to the Succos holiday. They’re just now catching up.

            • Yes, that makes sense.

    • AlphaStatuz

      Sure, I received a “your item is still out of stock” email.

  • rex360hype

    Yeah I heard from a B&H rep MAYBE Thursday… But who knows lol

    • yes, the big three stores are always a few days behind

  • Derek Lauzon

    Hopefully the battery grip will ship soon.

    • fanboy fagz

      hopefully a 3rd party battery grip will ship soon.

  • Mark W.

    I ordered from B&H at 9am ET on 8/24… Should I have hope that I might be included in this shipment?

    • Matt Comerford

      Same here, Mark. There’s no hope.

  • Jason Lisiewski

    I ordered my D850 from B&H 8/24, and Still, somehow, someway, I haven’t got my camera yet…

    • Matt Comerford

      you and thousands of others…

      • Jason Lisiewski

        Yes, lesson learned. Never Pre order anything from B&H…

        • Nikon Fans

          Agree!

        • Matt Comerford

          Or join the masses and order from many venders on day 1. I preordered from Best Buy as well but cancelled that a few weeks ago, B&H will come through eventually.

          • Jason Lisiewski

            I actually got word that I’ll be receiving mine Thursday! Time to Crack open the 20 year.

    • Jason Mahoney

      Same. Ordered the first day at 6:00a pst and still nada so I cancelled my order this morning through B&H and decided that I’ve lived without the D850 for almost 2 months since ordering I’ll just keep using my D810 and treat myself to a 105mm 1.4 and save 2 grand.

      • Derek Seasons

        My order from 7:41 am was just sent the warehouse for processing

        • nice, like I already said – the big three are usually a day or two behind… they received a big shipment tonight… you guys will be happy 🙂

          • bobgrant

            I just ordered a D850 from B&H and one from Amazon. I wonder if there’s any chance to get one before the new year. The way things sound, probably not.

    • tousquared

      Ordered from B&H 8/24 @ 10:04AM Pacific. Still no dice.

      • Matt Comerford

        *exactly* when I ordered as well… let’s see who gets theirs first 😀

        • Matt Comerford

          wait, mine was 9:04AM Pac… hopefully I win!

  • whisky

    ouch! B&H jacked up the Sony 128GB QXD card by $50 from just a few days ago.

    • surgeon67

      well, look at it this way: by the time most of us get our cameras, the xqd prices should be lower…

    • TheBronx

      Do you think that it’s possible that the reason is that Sony jacked up their prices?

      • whisky

        in my case i was shopping an extra QXD card for my D500. it’s never a good idea to have just one supplier (in this case Sony) control a critical product in the supply chain.

        a $50 USD spike is, IMO, highly suspect.

    • MB

      It is still much cheaper than Sony fastest SD (but much slower than XQD) 128GB card:
      https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1322907-REG/sony_sosd128gbuii_128gb_uhs_ii_sd_card.html

    • D900

      Go for the Lexar 128GB XQD cards instead. Even though the Lexar prices are gone up as well in both Adorama and B&H. I got mine Lexars on 9/1 while the 128GB was still only $135 each.

  • Colin

    Has anyone had any luck receiving a D850 from Best Buy with this new shipment?

    • Nesto

      I ordered online from Best Buy on 9/8, some 2 weeks after release. This morning I received note that it has shipped, tracking number isn’t working yet.

  • Suhail Alam

    Interesting side effect of LR delay, tried out Capture One. Impressive!

    • SteveHood

      I think Adobe saw some leakage which is why they did some preemptive announcements regarding performance improvements. I was also getting more frequent Lightroom how-to’s over the past couple of months.

    • Sebastien

      I might switch to C1, if that new version doesn’t bring fast performance and a better raw demosaicing process.

  • I81U812

    The new version of Lightroom is definitely faster in several respects. It has D850 support. Not a ton of radical upgrades though. There are a few things (only 2 of which I’ll use) but It’s mostly a speed bump. And it is actually faster.

    • TurtleCat

      Any hints as to whether they have a new process model for their debayering process?

      • Thom Hogan

        They have a new process model, yes. It is unclear whether it applies to the demosaicing yet. It appears to have been needed to support the new features like Range Mask.

    • So, you are using a beta version? I’ve not seen any update in Lightroom CC in the recent past.

      • I81U812

        My brother is on beta. Very close to final. May not be tomorrow. They are on release candidate, but there might be one more of those before release.

  • TurtleCat

    Well, that will be fun to use until my subscription runs out at the end of November. 🙂 maybe they will wow us?

  • Allen_Wentz

    I used Adobe (Master Suite) since the 1990s but quit with the CC nastiness. When CS6 quits working I will use alternative products. Any product with licensing like CC is IMO unacceptable.

    • TurtleCat

      Acceptable or not, that’s where the industry is slowly moving to, unfortunately. It’s good for businesses (selling and buying) but potentially bad for consumers. I’m convinced some of it is generational, too. Many of us here grew up in an era where ownership meant something but others are growing up in a very disposable mindset where renting avoids long term commitments and allows them to sample many different things.

      • PhilK

        It’s 99% a profit motivation, it does little to nothing for most customers.

        Adobe’s profit since moving to the perpetual subscription model has gone through the roof.

        That’s why all the big software companies these days want all their customers on the hook for that perpetual, forced rental fee.

  • as i am happy with my D810 I have decided to await the D6

  • Have any of you experienced the issue where the 64GB XQD Sony memory card only has 56GB of memory?

    • MB

      Formatted capacity of any card is lower than the one declared …
      Although 64GB XQD should have around 59GB …

      • My Lexar one is completely fine, but I have tried formatting the Sony one on computer and with the camera, still only have 56GB

        • TurtleCat

          Remember that the vendors cheat by calling 1000MB a GB when it should be 1024GB. So 64GB of stated capacity is already 62.5. Factor in some reserve area for internal use and such and you’ll have less. You may also have a bad section that’s been mapped out.

          • RC Jenkins

            It’s not 1000MB = GB. It’s 1 000 000 bytes = 1 MB. So 64 000 000 000 / (1024 * 1024) = 61.035 GB (in base-2)

            But, many OS’s now display sizes using the base-10 numbers (vs. base-2). So something else is likely going on.

        • MB

          It should definitely be 59 … I don’t know of any XQD utility to check the card like SD formatter …

  • Any hint when the mb-d18 grips might be making an appearance?, and has any one in the US gotten one ?

  • Michael Hatzel

    Neat. The ads on this page blast music, even if they’re muted. Thanks for that.

  • HKer

    Am updating my LR now, it’s not LR 7 but called LR “Classic” CC! They also have this new subscription cloud based LR. Adobe are a money machine. Will see if the D850 files work with this new version of LR cc

    • Let us know if it’s safe to upgrade. I usually wait these days after having suffered through the Import fiasco of a couple years ago.

      • HKer

        haha I have a photoshoot job tomorrow, playing safe as upgrading my desktop first, while leaving my laptop as per version before. In the past haven’t had any problems upgrading.

      • worked well for me. looking like “Classic” LR CC is way faster now. Not sure how useful the new ‘cloud’ LR CC is going to be (especially considering the size of NEF files from D850 and new pricing model).

        Notice that if you’re on Adobe Photography plan – you get switched to a plan with 1TB cloud storage (and a higher price point when your current subscription ends). Will likely switch the plan to the one offering just 20GB of storage as I mainly edit on my desktop anyway (not to mention the bandwidth needed to upload those raw files).

    • Rich Murray

      I read and re-read the announcement and couldn’t find any reference to D850 support. I think we all would like to know if you are able to go there.

      • HKer

        Hi Rich, I have now upgrade to LR classic CC, just imported a RAW from my D850, have successfully imported the file and exported out as a JPEG. So all ok on that front.

        • Rich Murray

          That is good news! Thank you very much.

      • br0xibear

        “Lightroom 6 is the last standalone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering. Lightroom 6 will remain for sale for
        an undetermined amount of time, but will no longer be updated with camera support or bug fixes after the end of 2017. Lightroom 6.13 with support for the Nikon D850 will be released on October 26, 2017.”

        https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/2017/10/introducing-lightroom-cc-lightroom-classic-cc-and-more.html?scid=social74411037&adbid=1584031278306866&adbpl=fb&adbpr=341657335877606

        • Vince Vinnyp

          Also seems slicker. Not sure what the relationship is exactly with Lightroom CC which is cloud based more like the mobile editor but with what on a couple of searches has very powerful search tool.
          And we have Process Version 4 after only 5 years. No idea if this brings any improvements.

      • Thom Hogan

        It’s there. ACR 10, DNG 10, and Adobe Lightroom Classic CC are all up to date with current cameras as far as I can see.

        • Rich Murray

          Yeah, I’m down loading now. I just didn’t see any mention in the announcement.

      • see my latest post on the blog

  • HKer

    I can confirm the D850 RAW now works on the LR Classic CC (today’s upgrade). Take a while to upgrade CC especially if you catalogue is large. But so far no problems upgrading CC and PS

    • Good to know, thanks.

  • HKer

    Also the 8-15mm fisheye lens profile is on the new upgrade!

  • Connor

    Just installed Lightroom classic can now import D850 files and performance is a lot better. certainly seems to be making use of my hardware near instant previews no more 5-10 second loading and using adjustments and moving between library and develop is a lot quicker.

    tried out the new Lightroom that cloud sync crap won’t be using that personally.

    • HKer

      happy they fixed the photo reference in Develop, as I found I was stuck in a loop using the reference and active photo. Seems they fixed this! yay.

    • Michiel953

      Connor, did you get a new subscription, or was it an update of your CC?

      • HKer

        LR Classic uses the same plan as the previous LR CC. There is no change in pricing. Only if you purchase the LR cloud base system you have to pay more.

  • Someone

    FYI, new LR is here.

    And it is shit! haha

    • yes, posted online already, thanks

  • Thom Hogan

    ACR 10, DNG 10, Lightroom Classic CC were all updated today. Now all support D850.

    • Tony Beach

      Guess I should try Camera Raw 9.12.1 on a D850 file one more time before installing version 10. Then I can do a quick and dirty side-by-side comparison.

      Doing some housekeeping with Adobe and Nikon software. Now my computer is D850 ready, even though it may be quite a while before I actually get a D850.

  • Great, the day I finally get support for my D850 ends up being the same day I have to send it back to Nikon to fix their glitchy new camera 🙁

    • Michiel953

      Tell us more.

      • It does not turn off when I turn the switch off, I have to physically take the battery out. I tried all the different resets etc. When I try the “reset to factory defaults” it just sits on the screen till the battery dies.
        I have also had it skip back a couple hundred pictures in the numbering system causing it to rewrite over previous files. Being as it never turns off properly, any changes I make in the menus don’t stay, the camera just keeps going back to what my settings were before all this started.

        • Michiel953

          Bad.

          • Yeaaa…. really bad!

            • Michiel953

              Not to make you envious, but no problems with mine. Some 600 clicks since Sep 7. One of my four year old girls managed to push it off a chair last Sunday, falling on to a wooden deck. AF still ok? Think so, although not all AF points are equally reliable.

        • PhilK

          Hmm, that’s disturbing.

          Hope this doesn’t become a pattern.

  • bobgrant

    I just ordered a D850 from B&H and one from Amazon. Anyone think I might get one this year?

    • thundrrd

      Ummm … maybe.

    • Michiel953

      Christmas present

    • Matt Comerford

      Wait a few more months and they’ll probably be discounted, or at least have refurbished units available.

      • PhilK

        Re: refurbs – that way you can receive the one that Alan Wohlgemut (see above) sent back to get ‘repaired’. 😉

  • bonem

    Got mine! Ordered first day with Adorama, no dice. Ordered 4 weeks ago at a local shop, just got it today. It’s wonderful.

  • Slowtrekker

    I got my first d850 on Sept 7 with a serial no 82006xx and a second 3 weeks later on Sept 28 with serial no 82014xx, is this any indication of the production rate..

    • bonem

      Mine today was 50xx

    • D900

      Just got mine today from B&H. The S/N is 30047xx. Don’t really understand the logic of their numbering system.

  • CERO

    I wonder, is the D850 the best camera release for Nikon?

    How many are produced per month? o_o

  • Miguel Santos

    Well, I guess I shouldn’t have waited until August 31 to order mine. Probably won’t get it until next year! It’s getting a little bit ridiculous.

    • surgeon67

      I’m guessing (hoping??) that as orders get filled, people will cancel duplicate orders and the list gets shorter. Also, I wonder if production will gear up some as well so deliveries get more frequent (maybe hoping there as well).

  • mdc1138

    I just had a chat with B&H, they said they got about 50 units in the first batch and about 60 in the second – so no wonder the backorders will take a long time to fill! I had ordered around 8am PST on the first day B&H was taking orders – but apparently I should’ve done so at 12:01 the night before. Nearly two months out, I’m still waiting. For kicks I checked Amazon, who listed “Usually ships in 2-4 months.” So clearly there is pent up demand and/or really low production volumes at this stage.

    • Garlik

      Just got mine. Ordered on 6:34am ET.

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