Viltrox NF-E1 is a new electronic autofocus adapter for mounting Nikon F-mount lenses on Sony E-mount cameras

Viltrox NF-E1 electronic autofocus adapter for mounting Nikon F-mount lenses on Sony E-mount cameras
The Hong Kong-based company Viltrox will launch three new electronic autofocus adapters and one of them (model NF-E1) will allow mounting Nikon F-mount lenses on Sony E-mount cameras. In addition to autofocus, the adapter can transmit EXIF data and control the aperture. There are several other brands that make similar adapters.

Additional details after the break:

Features:

  • Gold-plated electronic contact, Auto-focus function,
  • It can realize AF, adjustable aperture from camera body to lens's aperture
  • More durable metal material
  • Compatible for all the EF-lens

Specifications:

  Model   NF-E1 mount adapter
  Compatible lenses   Nikon F series lenses
  Compatible cameras   Sony E-mount series cameras
  Focus mode    Autofocus
  Tripod Socket   Cu1/4"× 1 ( non-collapsible )
  Diameter and Length   Φ61mm×29mm
  Weight   Approx. 92 g (excluding cap)
  Front cap   Camera cover
  Rear cap   Lens Dust cap
From the company's Facebook page:

"Viltrox will launch 3 new electronic adapters for Sony E mount and Micro Four Third cameras. NF-E1 allows Nikon F mount lenses to be used on Sony E mount cameras. EF-M1 and EF-M2 are electronic adapters for Canon EF and EF-S lenses to be used on Mirco Four Third camera. EF-M2 also equipped with 4 elements in 4 groups which increase aperture by 1 stop and reduce focal length by 0.71x.

All adapters come with USB port for firmware update. Retail price, product details and launch date to be confirmed. Please LIKE our FB page for latest announcement."

Update: this is a freshly developed adapter and it is not related to any of the other manufacturers (not a re-badged product).

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  • Gerard Roulssen

    “Compatible lenses – Nikon F series lenses”

    “Nikon F series” NIKKOR lenses do not exist. There are numerous F-mount NIKKOR lenses in three different (AF) series; D, G and E. Types of lenses as a matter of fact, not “series.”

    So, if the adapter is compatible with F-mount lenses, which type(s) of those is it compatible with? D, G, E … or all of them?

    • I don’t see a screw for AF and AF-D type lenses so it’s probably for AF-S lenses only.

      • Gerard Roulssen

        You’re mixing focusing types (AF vs AF-S) with types of aperture setting (D, G and E). For example, the AF 300/4 NIKKOR has a built-in SWM motor for focusing, but is still a D-type lens (with aperture ring for manually setting the aperture), while the AF-S 300/4 NIKKOR is an E-type lens also with the built-in SWM motor, but without the aperture ring because it sports the electro-magnetic diaphragm/aperture.
        So, are they both compatible with this adapter …?

        • RC Jenkins

          AF-D is not an aperture setting–it simply means the lens reports distance information to the camera based on the AF.

          G means lack of an aperture ring, and “E” means electronic aperture control (vs. mechanical).

          All AF-D lenses lack an integrated autofocus motor, but all AF-S lenses are “D” type lenses that report distance. In other words, “AF-S” is a subset of “AF-D.”

          • Gerard Roulssen

            So … which (AF-)D NIKKOR does not have an aperture ring?

            • Reggie

              Did you read the post that you’re replying to? “All lenses are assumed to have an aperture ring unless they are “G”.”

            • RC Jenkins

              Again, what I wrote is: “All lenses are assumed to have an aperture ring unless they are “G”.”

              I also wrote:
              “AF-D is not an aperture setting–it simply means the lens reports distance information to the camera based on the AF.”

              Which is consistent with what Nikon states on their site that I linked above. Here’s a screenshot, in case you are unable to figure out how to operate the link:

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a47966f933819c3a705313eae8d582779c3591325af601ef689bb8a0890c7ed6.png

              And here are pastes from Nikon’s website:

              D: Distance
              D-type AF-Nikkor lenses relay subject-to-camera distance information to Nikon SLR cameras that feature 3D Color Matrix Metering, 3D Matrix Metering, and 3D Multi-Sensor Balanced Fill-Flash.

              G: The lens has no aperture control ring and is designed to be used with cameras that allow setting the aperture from the camera body. G lenses also provide Distance information to the camera.

            • Gerard Roulssen

              So what you’re saying is you hate fat people?

            • Adam Padgett

              G….and E

            • Julian

              my 20mm f/2.8 AF-D certainly has an aperture ring, as does my old 50mm f/1.4 AF-D.

    • animalsbybarry

      It may be for the newer fully electronic lenses only and not work the older types of aperture linkage

      Personally I would preffer an adapter that works really well on modern lenses rather than one that sort of works on everything

    • MB

      None …

    • RC Jenkins

      A quick correction: These aren’t the “series” that are relevant here. There 3 relevant lens types are:
      -AF
      -AF-S
      -E

      Here’s why:
      -AF lenses (whether they’re “D” or not) do not have an integrated autofocus motor. They require the external body (or adapter in this case) to provide the autofocus motor

      -AF-S lenses have integrated “Silent Wave” motors. They only require an electronic signal in order to autofocus.

      -Similarly, “E” lenses require only an electronic signal to stop down the aperture diaphragm. All non-E lenses (including “G”) require a mechanical aperture lever in the external body (or adapter in this case).

      The question is: Do these adapters have:
      a) Autofocus motor built-in (to support AF lenses)
      b) Aperture lever built-in (to support non-E lenses)
      ?

  • animalsbybarry

    The other adapters available are all the same
    Commlite, Vello, Photodiox…. they are part of a pro Dudu that line called “Comic” according to Sharpest light

    I am not certain if this is the same adapter or not, the response was confusing, but they said that Commlite is the mother and that this will be a second manufacturer

    There are some visual differences between this product and the others
    I am wondering if this may be the long awaited Steel Chen adapter but I do not know

    • “Comic” is a good name for those type of adapters 🙂

      • ninpou_kobanashi

        Especially if you enjoy frying the, “ahem”, competition (^_^)

        (BTW, I tried the Vello x2 and I still have the Fusion fryer)

  • Spy Black

    Well, Nikon doesn’t need to build a mirrorless then…

  • I hope I never get desperate for a mirrorless camera that I would feel compelled to mount my Nikon Glass on a Sony body.

    • same here, but apparently some are doing it for no other reason but because it can be done

      • decentrist

        it’s a circular search for something better…happens with the moon phases

      • Reggie

        I don’t think that’s the case. I find the a9 to be more appealing than any full frame Nikon. The 5-axis and frame rate are great – not to mention that you can get full frame 4k instead of the D5/D500 crops.

        I currently shoot with a D3s and a D500 I’d like to update the 3s, but I love my D500. If I could reliably adapt my Nikon lenses, I’d jump all over that. I could get the Sony 24-70 and use that 90% of the time, but would be able to throw one of my other lenses on it for that 10% of the time that the 24-70 doesn’t cover.

        Plenty of reason to do it other than just “because it can be done.”

        • So why not just use them on your Nikon cameras? You have two already. I would understand if you have sold them and still have nikon glass without a body.

          • not to mention that those adapters are expensive – pretty much the same price as a D3400 camera…

            • Reggie

              So? I don’t want a D3400…

            • No, my point is that I would get a D3400 to use my Nikon lenses instead of getting an adapter to use my Nikon lenses on a Sony camera.

            • TheRasmus

              D3400 autofocus system is a joke. Cannot be compared with any mirrorless which have perfect on-sensor phase detection.

            • Max

              Ospd is better than dedicated phase detect modules?

            • TheRasmus

              Yes, it is. Dedicated phase detection module might be a bit faster (which could change with Sony A9) but exactly the dedicated phase detection module is one of the reasons that we need to calibrate the lenses to the camera that we use. That’s why we never suffer from front/fack focus issues on mirrorless cameras.

            • Eric Calabros

              Perfect? Dude you need to learn​ how these things work.

            • TheRasmus

              I know how these things work 🙂 In DSLR camera there is a separate autofocus module – the camera may say that the image is on focus but in fact when projected on the sensor the image may not have focus at all.

              This cannot happen on mirrorless camera. Why? Because the focus is calculated on the sensor itself. On-sensor phase detection combined with contract detection gives incredibly correct focus. There are never front/back focus issues on mirrorless cameras. For me that’s the perfect autofocus.

            • Thom Hogan

              Funny. I found the D3400’s autofocus to be quite good. The drawback to the D3400’s autofocus system is that it is constrained to only 11 points in a small area. But I’ve been watching users lately. It’s rare I’m finding users that are doing anything other than center focus or all auto all the time focus.

            • animalsbybarry

              Mirrorless are getting better and better
              If Nikon builds a competitive F mount mirrorless camera then you have a good point
              But if Nikon chooses not to, and Sony continues not to make long lenses then the temptation to put Canikon glass on Sony bodies will increase

        • For example I see an advantage of using manual focus Leica lenses with an adapter because there is no other way to AF with them:

          https://www.instagram.com/p/BTVSWA6hwzx/?taken-by=leicarumors

        • AlphaStatuz

          Seems odd to me that you’d be attaching a fairly weighty wide angle dslr lens onto a mirrorless body.

      • Manfred Grebler

        I consider the a9 a very compelling cam. God knows when Nikon will have something comperable.
        If this adapter really works it will be a perfect way to use existing Nikon lenses with the Sony cam. Especially as the lenses available by Sony are limited and very expensive.

        • I am not talking about the a9 here – the camera does look good on paper and I already said that multiple times here in the blog. I just don’t get why one would buy this high end camera and then cripple it by using those third party adapters. I do not believe you will get the same results as using a native Sony lens or as using the Nikon lens on a Nikon body.

          • manattan

            What the adapter makers really should be targeting is the telephoto and wide aperture shooting scenarios. Being able to use a Nikkor 400, 500, 600 or 800 lens on the Sony would be a great reason to buy an adapter. Likewise, being able to use tilt-shifts or wide aperture lenses like an 84 1.4 may be of value to architecture and portrait shooters.

            • I really want to see how accurate and fast the AF will be with a 800mm Nikon lens mounted on a Sony body.

            • DaveR43

              While not including the longer tele primes, a gent named Brian Smith did a very comprehensive review of the (probably similar) Vello adapter (which is identical to the Commlite CM ENF E adapter). You should see the article if you Google

              GEAR REVIEW: VELLO NIKON TO SONY E-MOUNT AF LENS ADAPTER Brian Smith

              It provides a very good idea of what works and what doesn’t with the Vello/Commlite and the then available Sony mirrorless bodies.

              I noticed a telling point in the comments section:

              Q. What about focus tracking and face detection? Are those maintained with this adaptor?

              A. No, not with any Nikon adapters.

            • Thom Hogan

              I do not believe that the current on-sensor PD systems would perform all that well with very long lenses on objects in motion. The geometries aren’t precise enough, which means you have to roll CD after PD.

      • vriesk

        Well, I do have a valid reason actually. While my main shootout is a D750, I do have a full-spectrum converted Sony a7 that I use for fancies like infrared portraits and ultraviolet flowers, and I’d actually be happy to use some of my Nikon lenses with the ease of (manual) focusing wide open.

        • Bob Thane

          Yeah, I can definitely see advantages. Especially for video or manual focus glass, Sony has some options that are far better than Nikon. For a workhorse I still prefer Nikon, but until they have focus peaking Sony wins on several fronts.

        • Thom Hogan

          Yes, this is one area where lens adoption makes a lot of sense, especially since IR focus points are not the same as regular spectrum, and no modern lenses even have the IR focal plane identified any more.

          • vriesk

            BTW, true (>800nm wavelength) infrared autofocus with native lenses (tested: 55mm f/1.8 FE and 85mm f/1.8 FE) on the Sony a7 works suprisingly well.

            However, apart from those cherrypicks, most modern lenses are quite abysmal for the purpose of infrared photography due to extremely heavy flaring in infrared. And it’s really random and trial and error – for instance while both the 55mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.8 perform well, both the Sony ZA 85mm f/1.4 Zeiss (A-mount) and the new Sony FE 85mm f/1.4 GM are a total disaster.

            But luckily, there’s one lens that works really well infrared and is also a nice lens for my main Nikon – the 28-70mm f/2.8D AF-S. I do not hope for usable autofocus, but miss the option of being able to focus wide open and have the camera close the aperture to the desired value only on the actual shot.

            • vriesk

              Also, IR/UV photography is the one area that EVF is a clear win over the OVF. With on-lens filter, OVF is just useless (and needs to be covered to prevent light leaks), with the on-sensor filter it shows something different than what the sensor sess.

          • nwcs

            Also worth mentioning the IR hotspot issue. Sometimes the best lens at a focal length may be on a different mount. Also a nice bonus for mirrorless since contrast detect focus peaking (or other MF aids) can help with accurate focus.

      • ninpou_kobanashi

        To be fair to myself, I love the video features of Sony and I already have a Nikon glass collection (^_^).

        Hence, I’d like my Nikon lenses to do “double duty”.
        If I started afresh in mirrorless land, that would not be the case.

        Since I know how DSLRs work and their strengths (vs mirrorless), I’m not willing to give them (DSLRs) up just yet (^_^).

      • Thom Hogan

        No, it’s more subtle than that. Curiously, just before seeing your post here I got an email from someone that explained how they are dealing with the transition to Sony: (1) Sony lenses are expensive; (2) Sony doesn’t have every lens someone wants. But because adapters are so ubiquitous and some of them operate quite well, you can really pick and choose among all lens makers/mounts to put something on your mirrorless at a reasonable price.

        I’ve not yet seen a Nikon adapter with any automation that’s usable. They all have flaws, and that’s a bit to be expected by the complexity of the Nikon mount communications. I have seen Canon adapters that work reasonably well.

        People wonder why Nikkor lenses are devaluing on the used market. Well, mirrorless is one reason why. Nikkors really work decently only on Nikon DSLRs, of which the user base is eroding. Thus, we have more supply on the used market than demand. That devalues things for the remaining Nikon users (though makes for some cheaper used lenses to acquire), making the legacy lens lock less secure.

        Nikon is near a crisis point here. They cannot afford to have customer erosion increase, and with enough time, someone is going to solve the adapter thing.

        (And before anyone tries to quote me on “Nikon dying,” no it’s not that. There are three outcomes that are possible: (1) Nikon grows their market share back to historical or better levels; (2) Nikon holds their current lower market share; or (3) Nikon’s market share continues to drop and they become #3 in the market. #1 just doesn’t seem possible at the moment without a miracle of some sort and a whole new appreciate for customers. #2 is well within possible with the right products/marketing. #3 is where things have been headed and will continue to head without something changing.)

        • “I’ve not yet seen a Nikon adapter with any automation that’s usable”

          “Nikkors really work decently only on Nikon DSLRs”

          No further discussion needed 🙂

          • Wesley

            That’s really dependent on your definition of “usable” for the subjects you shoot. Are they usable on moving subjects? Nope. Are they usable on static subjects? Depends on the lens used but in a number of cases; yes.

    • Qamera

      Here are a couple of reasons.
      http://www.qamera.com/Gear/Nikon-300mm-f4-Nikon-and-Sony/
      All the photos at the top of the gallery, including some action ones using AF-C tracking, were taken with the Sony. I love the “portability combination” of both the Nikon 300 f/4 PF combined with the Sony. The problem I have is, the Vello works sometimes, and other times it freezes up. Nothing that an off/on can’t fix, but by that time you lose the picture.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3983b50e408b9337beebbc3b4b19c3fbb93a1e2d765483016215698fb4f64be4.jpg

  • I only have one AF Nikkor left (50mm f/1.4G). I liked the way it rendered so I’d be interested in seeing if this adapter would provide decent autofocus. It was already a pretty slow focusing lens so I would just need it to be accurate.

  • Allan

    Peter,

    What does this mean?
    “Additional details after the break”

    • After the break means you have to click on “read more” in order to see the rest of the post – that is when you are on the main page https://nikonrumors.com/ .
      If you open the post directly from social media or RSS, the text doesn’t make much sense.

      • Allan

        Because I read your site on a PC, this expression didn’t made sense to me.

        Thanks.

        • like I said, if you go to the main home page, it will make sense, even on a PC 🙂 but if this is confusing, I will stop using that wording

          • jborg

            It’s a silly issue however also myself, not being native speaker, understood that you were taking some days off and – after the break – would have come back with more details 🙂 Hence perhaps a better wording than “after the break” would remove all doubt about the real meaning

    • manattan

      “Additional details after the break”
      That is Nikon’s new mirrorless mantra. They are on “break” and additional mirrorless details will eventually follow when they come back from their years long break.

      • Allan

        LOL

      • pjpo

        We were on a break!!!! /Ross

  • T.I.M

    With that kind of adapter you can focus closer but you won’t be able to focus at infinity.

    • RC Jenkins

      Why’s that? These adapters should be fine for focusing to infinity.

      I believe you’re thinking of when an adapter exceeds the effective sensor-to-flange distance, which has a similar effect of extension tubes. But the addition of optical components to the adapter are what allow it to then focus to infinity.

      But on a mirrorless camera with a lens designed for a DSLR’s larger flange distance, there is plenty of room for an adapter that does not change the range of focusing distances.

      • T.I.M

        If you look at the picture you won’t see any optical element inside the adapter, so no focus to infinity.

        • Lauchlan T

          For this kind of adapter that’s not necessary, as far as I can tell. Since the flange distance of Sony E is so much less than Nikon F, all they need to do is move the lens away from the sensor, and add contacts. For example, this metabones adapter has no glass elements but allows focusing at infinity: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1191277-REG/metabones_mb_nf_e_bt2_nikon_f_to_e_mount_nex.html

          Glass is only really needed if you want to get a faster f-stop on smaller sensors, like the metabones speedboosters, or if you’re adapting lenses to tilt-shift, like with the Hasselblad adapter.

          With that said, in some cases the sensor stack between cameras of different brands might vary enough that a glass element in the adapter could help with optical quality, but I don’t think that it’s necessary for infinity focus (at least for Nikon F to Sony E). Though I haven’t personally used these adapters, so if someone with first hand experience can chime in I’ll go with whatever their verdict is.

          • T.I.M

            Yes it can only works if the Sony sensor to lens distance + adapter length is shorter than the Nikon sensor to lens distance.

            • RC Jenkins

              It is. Nikon’s F-mount is 46.5mm.

              Sony’s is 18mm. That gives this adapter 28.5mm to work with, which is quite a bit.

              For comparison purposes, here is the Nikon FT-1:
              http://imgsv.imaging.nikon.com/lineup/acil/lenses/mount_adapter_ft1/img/product_01.png

              That is 29.5mm thick, has no optical elements, and allows infinity focus using Nikon F-mount lenses.

            • Nope you’re wrong. I thought you said you graduated from photography?

            • T.I.M

              I did, in June 1989, but I was a terrible student, I got the diploma because I slept with the teacher (she was damn hot)
              ;o)

        • Nyarlathotep

          If the mount adapter puts the lens at the proper registration distance, it will indeed focus at infinity

        • Mike D

          What? You don’t need an optical element for infinity focus if the adapter places the lens at the correct distance. I use Nikon lenses on my Fuji X-Pro2 all the time with an adapter (No optical elements). Infinity focus is fine.

        • RC Jenkins

          You are mistaken. You do not need an optical element for this scenario to maintain infinity focus.

          All Nikon F lenses are designed to focus 46.5mm behind the mount. But the Sony mount is located only 18mm in front of the sensor plane.

          This means that the adapter must move all Nikon mounts 28.5mm further from the mount–without any optical elements–just to maintain what the lens was designed to do.

          Optical elements in the adapter are only required when the flange distance is different than the one that the lens was designed for.

          This is the same reason that Nikon cannot produce a ‘thinner’ mirrorless camera that natively uses the existing F-mount. They can easily do it via adapter without optical elements.

        • Ric of The LBC

          If the flange distance is the same then there is no need for optical elements to focus to infinity. But i think you know that already. 🙂

    • BlueBomberTurbo

      They’re fine with infinity if the build quality is up to par. No additional macro ability.

      • T.I.M

        It’s optical laws, no miracles here.
        Do the test, move away your lens form the camera and you will loose infinity.

        • Nyarlathotep

          Right, but if the lens is put such the mount is exactly 46.5mm from the sensor, it will properly focus just like if it were on a Nikon body.

        • BlueBomberTurbo

          Nikon has a relatively huge flange distance. Sony’s is one of the most shallow. There’s no issue making an adapter that maintains the proper distance from the rear of a Nikon lens to a sensor. Even Canon DSLRs can adapt Nikon lenses properly.

        • MB

          You do the test … put an extension ring (effectively moving away lens from the camera) and see what’s happening…

          • T.I.M

            You get a macro lens for free!
            :o)

            • MB

              Exactly … so why on earth do you insist on that freaking infinity for crying out loud 🙂

  • Chewbacca

    Another gadget that is trying to take Nikon users away to another brand. Nikon should have products already that prevent this from even being considered. Hardly any DX primes, No mirrorless option, No 1 inch compacts, Redundant entry level DSLR’s with an abundant of consumer zooms that less and less people are buying.
    I’m having trouble figuring out who Nikon is catering to besides full frame owners. Nikon makes one badass camera but they are slipping hard in other areas. It’s going to be interesting to see what they come up with the next few years.

    • Captain Megaton

      Let’s play a game: Name any mirrorless model price-matched to a Nikon dSLR, and I’ll tell you which is the more desirable camera.

      • nwcs

        Camera — or system? That’s a big factor in some cases. You could pit a X-T2 and D500 and the D500 will win overall (though there are some nice points in the X-T2 that aren’t in the D500). Yet if you compare the system then the X-T2 wins due to the number of APS sized lenses available vs Nikon’s APS sized lenses.

        • Captain Megaton

          No one forces you to use DX lenses on a DX camera though. F-mount is F-mount, if the focal length fits .. use it!

          As for the X-T2/D500 that’s a competitive match, and while the X-T2 is a compelling camera I’d choose a D500 without hesitation, and a D750 over either.

          • nwcs

            Yes, but now you’re using larger lenses that aren’t designed with DX in mind so you’re getting a weight penalty. For a body I’d go with a D500 over a X-T2 and D750 as well but for a system for the APS sensor I’d go with X-T2 over D500.

            • RC Jenkins

              (…and price penalty–especially on the wider end.)

              For example, if you want to use a 35mm-equivalent focal length on either, you can go with:
              -Fuji 23mm F/2.0 for $450
              -Nikkor 24mm F/1.8 FX is $750

              Because the large Nikkor has a lot more glass to account for the wide corners in the larger sensor.

              In its entire lineup, Nikon offers only 2 DX lenses that are constant F/2.8 or faster:
              -35mm F/1.8G DX
              -40mm F/2.8G DX (Micro)

            • Captain Megaton

              For X-mount though we are basically talking expensive primes, while Nikon DX is mostly all about inexpensive zooms; if you want to go system-level D750 vs. X-T2 seems a closer matchup. Fuji is of course more compact, but FX offers a greater spectrum of both MF and AF lenses, over a greater spectrum of price and quality, coupled with impeccable handling and performance of the camera.

          • Simon Chen

            And also a massive image quality penalty

            • Captain Megaton

              While I agree there is a penalty for the X-mount inherent to the sensor size difference, I wouldn’t say it was massive.

      • Chewbacca

        I’m not sure why this is directed at me. I own a Nikon system. I carry a cheaper level Olympus when the situation warrants it. This Price equivelancy doesn’t mean much to me. What I will tell you is that I find it more desirable to carry the smallest most capable camera and lens when hiking 10 miles before embarking up something like Mt. Marcy in the Adirondacks and it is not my D700. I actually find my Olympus pretty desirable for that situation. I suppose I could use my phone but I’m not willing to take it that far. I pondered an entry level DSLR for this but when you tack on some lenses it still starts to rack up in bulk and weight when you take into consideration all the other things one carries into the backcountry. I tend to keep things in perspective. I’m not expecting astro shots and top end performance with such a camera but it’s pretty dang good for certain things. I think at this point in time, cameras are all good enough that they are becoming very situation oriented.
        The point I was trying to make above is that it seems like the market is changing and Nikon needs to respond. The fact that they are not offering products that opens up the door for other companies success can’t be good for Nikon.
        I spent money on Olympus. The nikon 1 just didn’t cut the mustard in comparison.

        • Captain Megaton

          I’d bring my Nikon 1 V1 and 6.7-13 VR on that sort of trip but your Olympus is of course a nice if somewhat fiddly alternative.

    • Richard Reed

      I think their DX strategy is aimed directly at consumers who typically stick with their kit lens and possibly a tele zoom. IMO this explains the lack of DX lenses. The D500 is considered a “pro body” and I believe in their calculus determined these owners will use “pro” FX glass with it anyway as a primary or backup to their D5.

      While I still root for Nikon and its success, I eventually sold off my D700 and remaining lenses for the Fuji system.

  • Politics_Nerd

    Why would anyone do that? I’m more than happy to use Nikon bodies. Mirrorless is 95% hype and people following mindless trends.

    • Allan

      Apparently, it is cheaper to manufacture a mirrowless camera compared to a DSLR. Morrowless is probably here to stay, and will improve with time.

      • can you find a cheaper and a better mirrorless camera + lens for this price:

        https://bhpho.to/2q3roQa

        • RC Jenkins

          Manufacturing costs and retail prices are different concepts.

          Just because a cheap (retail) DSLR exists does not mean that an equivalent mirrorless camera can not be manufactured for less.

          I’m primarily a DSLR shooter, and I know how many precise moving parts there are in these cameras. I also have mirrorless cameras that have far fewer precise moving parts.

          At minimum, a DSLR (by definition) requires all the parts of a mirrorless camera + more (eg. mirror, pentaprism/pentamirror, focusing screen, dedicated AF module, etc.)–as well as precise assembly for alignment & motion of these parts.

          • Yes, theoretically that is true, but the reality is different. Once I see the latest Sony Alpha camera with lens for $400, I will believe it. In fact, as you already said, it should be cheaper than the DSLR – so let’s say $300 for a body + lens.

            • RC Jenkins

              You’re continuing to mix retail prices with manufacturing costs. Margins are not constant.

            • I agree, but customers (myself included) care about retail pricing, not about manufacturing cost. Nobody will say “this camera is very cheap to produce – I will buy it”.

            • RC Jenkins

              I’m not disagreeing that customers care about retail pricing.

              Scroll up. You were replying to this:

              “…it is cheaper to manufacture a mirrowless camera compared to a DSLR.”

              That’s the scope that I am discussing.

            • Yes, I was assuming that cheaper manufacturing leads to cheaper retail prices.

            • DaveR43

              Perhaps it is all to do with the price learning curve, which says every time cumulative volume doubles, manufacturing costs come down by a factor which can be up to about 30%.

              DSLRs are already a long way down the curve, with huge cumulative volume.

              Maybe mirrorless haven’t come far enough down yet.

            • Thom Hogan

              Indeed, we have a Nikon example to use: the Nikon 1. Less than 300 parts. Probably the cheapest ILC to make to date. What was the list price? ;~) Oops, didn’t sell at that price.

              But @disqus_jRvrr8RMpM:disqus has a point, though buried: all the mirrorless makers are still trying to recoup R&D costs, thus they’re putting their margins higher just like Nikon did with the 1. Nikon has very little R&D cost to recoup on something like the D3400, so has great pricing flexibility. That’s the tyranny of duopoly.

            • RC Jenkins

              Yes–and even that can be a long-term recovery of costs. There’s also a price in establishing market share–educating, incenting, and competing in the market, etc.

              I had a comment that wasn’t approved to this point, but I used Uber & Playstation as examples–both of which strategically retail at a loss in order to gain market share (and/or sell associated products).

              The net is that there’s little relationship between manufacturing costs and retail prices we see today.

              In fact, Olympus just reported their first profit in 7 years just a few days ago. They claimed they did this by “maintaining the selling prices and exhaustively controlling costs.”

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2657f20831375b45a73a4f0666ea65bc5361682470c7220e01b8a87990d1936e.jpg

            • manattan

              Price is a factor in decisions, but the area where mirrorless is heavily competing against DSLRs is at the more expensive prosumer level. Its the XT-2, X100F, GH5, Oly EM1 mark ii, and Sony A6500.

            • Thom Hogan

              All of which are in the D500 price range, a pretty strong camera to compete against. All of which are above the D7200 price range, another very strong product to compete against.

              This is why I keep railing at Nikon for the lack of DX lenses. It isn’t just a camera body you sell to customers, it’s a system. People are evaluating the X-T2 system and E-M1II system as being much more full due to the lens situation. Thus, they’re devaluing the DX DSLRs in their assessments.

            • manattan

              I agree with you, but would add that Sony needs more and better lenses ASAP as well. I am specifically not renting a Sony this month because of lack of lenses. Instead I signed up for a second rental of the XT2 this time with the Fuji 100-400 that is *supposedly* super sharp. A small battery and X-TRANS RAW work flow issues are holding me back from being a full convert at the moment.

              I am also thinking of renting the Oly EM1mii in a few weeks with the 300f4 to see how it does against the D500 or XT2. I already shoot the D500 in m43’s 1.3x crop mode frequently, so fingers crossed the IQ for tele shooting should be about the same or better.

    • Reggie

      Different people have different preferences. There are several features that make the a9 way more attractive to me than a D5. But I have so much money tied up in Nikkor glass, and don’t shoot professionally any more, so selling my 3s for that would be a fool’s errand. But I’d be mighty tempted if I could get good performance from all that F-mount glass I have. Pick up one or two native mount lenses, then use my existing glass when the need arose? There is a lot of utility in that.

    • Chewbacca

      Hype usually fades away at some point. It’s been around for quite some time now and it’s slowly getting better. Mirrorless has been around for a good amount of time now and you can now see those who discounted it earlier on in it’s technology changing their tune. It’s here and it’s staying, It’s just another tool just like anything else. Make a choice and go use it. It would be nice to have all options from Nikon so that one can use all of their lenses, flashes etc. across the board.

    • Azmodan

      I’d agree until A9 was announced. Finally mirrorless startin g to live up to the hype and allow things not possible with DSLR, too bad they haven’t cracked the flash issue with electronic shutter. But I’d much rather Canon and Nikon did the mirrorless than Sony, they at least get ergonomics and battery right the first time.

  • Mehdi R

    I’ll never mount my beloved Nikkor glasses on Sony toys. Never liked Sony, not even slightly.

    • T.I.M

      Not even the Sony Walkman ?

      • TwoStrayCats

        I found my Walkman a couple of weeks ago. It was in the dresser stowed on top of my polyester bell-bottom jeans.

      • Mehdi R

        Even the Walkman, Panasonic was my brand that time 🙂

        • Chris

          LOL, i have to agree. A few years back when I dug into MD pit, I realized that Panasonic had really interesting stuff. Sony kinda cost down (undermined) their own stuff since somewhere 80s.

        • Spy Black

          Yeah, but any compact portable music cassette player merely aped the Walkman. The Walkman was a landmark device. You were just listening to a Panasonic “Walkman”.

    • jstevez

      I put Sony on my never again list when they secretly add a DRM Trojan virus on CD’s ( I know, long ago)

  • Aldo

    Will come as a bundle with the A9…

  • Please let me know your feedback when you start using your Nikon lenses on the a9 with an AF adapter – I am really curious. I am particularly interested in the AF speed, accuracy, 3D tracking and the noise of the AF motor.

  • T.I.M

    NR is so quiet…..
    I wonder if it’s the calm before the storm.

    • Mehdi R

      Exactly 🙂

    • T.I.M

      By the way, we have a new president in France, a young nice guy, he like to take his mother out.

    • John Mackay

      Nah, this is Nikon, it is the quiet before the more quiet before the news that the noise has been delayed a few months so sit back and enjoy the quiet a bit longer. Then the noise turns out to be snapbridge.

    • Ric of The LBC

      The seagulls are waiting.

  • outkasted

    The only thing I can see A9 is street Photography in capturing peak moments. sports also but less because of cost of large lenses. Street would be awesome with silent shutter.

  • DLynch

    They can make these things all day long I’m not switching to Sony. I still think Nikon and Canon make a better quality product. Sony I’m sure like they did with the 7 series cameras will start flipping out other versions of the 9 series soon. Not worth chasing that train, not for me anyway. Peace Out!

  • T.I.M

    It’s a long way to D820,
    It’s a long way to go.
    It’s a long way to little D900,
    To the sweetest girl I know!

    • Bob Thane

      The D9’ll be out before the D900. 😉

  • zipduck

    Compatible for all the EF-lens

    …k

  • purenupe1

    While I whole heartedly believe Nikon will produce a capable and well built mirrorless equivalent and or competitor…..i want to use what’s available to me right now, a working adapter that allows me to get in on the latest and greatest without the full financial cost of buying new lens….im all for it. So if I don’t like it it I’m just selling a body and adapter versus a full system.

  • SkyMeow

    I hope this won’t turn out to be another adapter that damages the body.

  • Julian

    Surely any kind of adapter will change the expected distance between the rear of the lens and the sensor resulting in a loss of sharpness or?

    • DaveR43

      Per RC Jenkins response 13 hours previous to your question…

      “All Nikon F lenses are designed to focus 46.5mm behind the mount. But the Sony mount is located only 18mm in front of the sensor plane.

      This means that the adapter must move all Nikon mounts 28.5mm further from the mount–without any optical elements–just to maintain what the lens was designed to do.

      Optical elements in the adapter are only required when the flange distance is different than the one that the lens was designed for.

      This is the same reason that Nikon cannot produce a ‘thinner’ mirrorless camera that natively uses the existing F-mount.”

      “It’s also the same reason that Nikon F-mount lenses can autofocus to infinity on Nikon 1 mirrorless cameras using the FT-1 adapter–which has no optical elements.”

      • RC Jenkins

        Correct. @Siarl:disqus : as an exercise, take a look at the top of your camera. You should see this symbol:
        φ

        That is the sensor plane–where the sensor is located.

        It’s probably very far back on your Nikon DSLR.
        From that plane to the mount is the thinnest they can make an F-mount camera. That’s the distance an F-mount lens expects to focus at.

        Compare the sensor locations of a Nikon DSLR to a Sony mirrorless camera:
        (between the flash hotshoe & LCD):
        https://www.ephotozine.com/articles/nikon-d810-36-3-megapixel-digital-slr-announced-25757/images/highres-D810_top-Custom_1403712381.jpg

        (Left of the hotshoe):
        https://cdn.photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Sony-A7R-II-Top.jpg

        On a Sony body, the lens must be moved forward that same distance (28.5mm forward) to focus properly without any changes in image quality or focus distances. There is no glass in the adapter.

        • RC Jenkins

          Just to clarify, here’s how to look at it:

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d458cea034c18fe1a4d16ff86577ec7f8d554951b68b7218db904f39a23e569.png

          That gap between the Nikon Flange & Sony Flange is where the adapter would go, without requiring any additional glass.

          • Ric of The LBC

            RC, Well done.

            • I don’t get this mirrorless = small body hype. That means bad ergonomics for body (knobs, dials, buttons) and lenses (telephoto). And of course small batteries due to small grip = bad battery life. Why paying so much money for all these disadvantages if a DSLR performs better?

            • tomskyphoto

              A bigger body would have also allowed them to go for a much larger mount diameter rather than squeezing a 36×24 sensor behind an APS-C lens mount causing unnecessary difficulties in lens designs.

              But I’m afraid they did it on purpose because they wanted the bragging rights about “the world’s smallest full frame mirrorless camera”. That functionally often detrimental infatuation of Sony engineers with excessive miniaturization goes way back into the late 1970ies.

            • RC Jenkins

              A small flange distance provides the option. Not everyone wants ergonomics over size. When coupled with a larger diameter mount, it also allows for easier and cheaper design of better quality optics.

              For example, in addition to my large DSLRs, I have mirrorless cameras that fit in my pocket and are the size of a wallet, with pancake lenses the size of a set of keys. I’ll casually take these places (in my pockets) that I don’t take my DSLR.

              Better-ergonomics/large size vs. Worse-ergonomics/smaller size is not a ‘better or worse’ argument.

              Having the options is a good thing.

  • SimenO

    I tried to ask this at mirrorlessrumors but didnt get a satisfactory answare. Exactly what lenses does _make sense_ to adapt to E mount compared to just buying native E mount lenses? Examples please!

    • purenupe1

      For me…I would rather not have to buy a new lens if I can use what I already have. If you have a 300 mm for your D810 but get a A9 for your bday….why would you want to shell out the money for a new 300 mm, duplicating the focal lengths?

    • RC Jenkins

      The ones you that Sony doesn’t offer or that you already have.

      Here’s Sony’s full-frame lineup:
      http://www.sony.com/electronics/lenses/t/camera-lenses?cameramount=e-mount&sensor-lens=35mm-full-frame

      20 lenses. Nothing that’s both wider than 24mm & faster than F/4.

      And there’s also more to lenses than just focal lengths & apertures. For example, Nikon offers these great portrait lenses:

      -Nikkor 105mm F/1.4E ED
      -Nikkor 105mm F/2D DC

  • animalsbybarry

    I received this answer from Sharpest light

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    Sharpest Light Limited

    Thanks for asking it again. As replied on our Facebook, Viltrox and Commlite are rivals. Therefore, it is a different adapter coming out of different factory.
    Steel Chen, forget it. He is stuck with hardware development. Without support from manufacturer, even with the best software, product will not start production. Do you know about Fringer adapter for Contax N to Sony E? He success to develop software by himself and start small production. However, the retail price is not acceptable by most people.

  • Those third-party adapters are mostly an unreliable thing which means they don’t play well will all (modern) kind of lenses from one and the same manufacturer, for example could work with a 50mm lens but struggles with the 300mm lens regarding focus accquisition, focus speed, reproduction of repeating steps (let’s remember which problems Canon and Nikon user already have with Sigma lenses when it comes to repeatedly getting precise focus detection on different bodies or having live view issues). Might me a nice option for amateurs who have time to play around with gadgets but not for professional people unless you do everything manually.

  • tomskyphoto

    I see close to no point in these adapters for Nikon stills photographers
    as there is an equivalent and better performing camera in Nikon’s portfolio for every Sony A7 apart from the video-centric S models.

    A7RII = D810 (42/36MP class). For me the 810 wins hands down for stills photography and I own both of them.

    A7II = D750 (24MP performance class). I don’t own the 750 but have played around with 750s occasionally. Much nicer camera than an A7 MkII type body and lots of happy users in Nikon-land.

    A7 = D610 (24MP budget class). OK, the ugly ducklings of both systems; but if you are on a budget and can live with their limitations – mainly AF on both models and less than stellar build quality particularly of the Sony – both might still be viable options.

    The original A7R doesn’t really count, that thing had way too many issues and design flaws to consider it as a serious allrounder. It was good for slow work, mainly landscape, architecture or controlled studio environments but its absolute slouchiness killed it the very moment the action got a little bit more fast paced.

    Even the prices of the comparable models are somewhat matched; so again, why in the world would I want to adapt my Nikon lenses to the, in my opinion, inferior Sony mirrorless bodies using poorly performing adapters rather than having the genuine all-Nikon experience first hand? I can somewhat understand that a lot of Canon shooters gravitate(d) towards the Sony R models, especially as most of their lenses can be adapted with reasonable performance, because they want(ed) that higher DR and better shadow recovery that are characteristic for Sony sensors and saw a way to use that fabulous D800 36MP sensor without having to dump all their nice and expensive Canon glass. But Nikon shooters – why?

    And the best digital adapter for Nikon legacy glass? Well, it’s called Df – fantastic camera with a fantastic sensor that accepts pretty much every F-mount Nikkor since 1959. Just add the manual focusing screen that Nikon incomprehensibly forgot to install from the get go.

  • James Jackson

    Hopefully this one doesn’t brick people’s cameras.

  • Picture Perfect NY

    This should be interesting. I really don’t want to replace all of our glass. so hopefully, this will, at least temporary, get things going

  • So, will it be easier to focus an Otus on the A9 than on the D800?

  • Qamera

    Will be curious to see if this new adaptor is any better at auto focus than the commlite / velli which works ok part of the time.

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