What to expect next from Nikon


Time for another recap. Do not expect anything new to be announced from Nikon this month (obviously) since March 31st is the end of their financial year. It seems that Nikon has decided to take a hit in the yearly financial reports and start fresh on April 1st (no pun intended). I already started receiving tips that there could be a new product announcement in April (second or third week of April, Nikon usually does their inventory in the first week of Aril) - two big shows are taking place next month and several companies are planning to announce new products. I received at least two tips suggesting April 20th as a potential date for a big Nikon event for a new product and a 100th anniversary celebration in Beijing. It also makes sense for Nikon to concentrate on the Indian and Chinese market which may explain the event in Beijing.

Here is a recap on what to expect from Nikon:

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  • animalsbybarry

    I am hoping Nikon does release something important soon
    Like the D820
    Sony will soon be announcing its new products and I currently use both Nikon and Sony
    I hope when I choose my next upgrade (fairly soon) Nikon will be one of my possible choices
    If Nikon does not release anything new, then I obviously will not be able to choose a new Nikon

    • Eric Calabros

      Then you will choose what?

      • Sawyerspadre

        He is planning to choose to go shoot and not obsess over his choice….

        • And, drumroll please, he’ll make pictures indistinguishable from those he would have made from an “upgraded” camera.

          • Contrary to popular belief different types of photography needs different features in a camera. Not to mention different tech levels. What if his type of photography will benefit from the upgraded camera?

            • Daniel Shortt

              What style of photography needs a camera that doesn’t exist right now?

            • silmasan

              I absolutely cannot start my Ultra Fine Detail Motion Portraiture project until a decent 10K 300fps camera comes. Even if it comes, I’ll most likely just up the required spec to a depth-sensing/depth-mapping one, with automated real-time VR capture and direct 3D bioprinting capability while you’re at it, so that I can clone my subjects and put them into my gallery collection (the clones, of course, not the original ones).

            • Daniel Shortt

              Ahh yeah. My bad.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Mine.

              My D3 is long in tooth and low in pixels for wide angle. A D4s or a D5 would suit but they are a bit pricey for me, since tele is well covered by the D500.

              A D810 would be fine except I do not like the body feel (love the D500). So I wait to see if Nikon’s D8xx upgrade wisely mimics the D500 body, in which case I probably will buy one.

              If the new D8xx body still does not feel right to me I will
              A) stay with the D500 as primary camera and D3 as backup or
              B) sell the D3 and add a D4s or a D5 to the mix.

              Note that UWA lens choices also affect the decision process, a lot. If an acceptable D8xx body were to jump into my kit I would be needing to equip it with expensive modern high quality UWA FX glass that I do not currently own.

            • Symmetre

              Unlikely that any D810 update would vary from the same basic D8xx body style. We’re talking about an incremental upgrade here, not a total redesign.

            • Wouldn’t you be able to name any type of photography which could be helped with better technology?
              To answer your question very strictly, people used to do bird photography or sports photography and get very good results even with rolleiflex. So any camera can be used for anything. But “HOW” that is the question.

            • I agree. But, we already have a huge assortment of camera options. It’s becoming hard to imagine how an “upgrade” of technology is going to do much for the quality of images one produces. Now, more flexibility, user interface, file export options…that might be interesting.

            • This is hardly contrary to popular belief. That said, any improvement on autofocus helps me mask my incompetence a little better.

          • miyaker

            People always find new techniques once technology evolves. A faster/better focus system will capture more keepers. Full-frame focus points would permit way more flexibility and speed. Better resolution permits cropping. Faster shutter speeds enable fast capture. Lower noise means shots at night you couldn’t take before. Lighter means you can take it where you couldn’t before. And on and on. Why shoots the same way they did with their previous camera?

            Debating how useful features are is one thing, but I never understand the constant need on here to disparage those on here who are interested in new tech.

            • The reason for the disparagement is because no matter what the manufacturers come up with, it’s never good enough. There is an underlying sense that “if only they’d do “such n such” I’d be be a great photographer”. It’s more about the gear than the photography. Don’t get me wrong, I love to hear about new camera technology, that’s why I’m here. But honestly, much of what many here desire isn’t going to add up to better pictures. They’d be better off learning how to do more with what they have.

            • miyaker

              It might or might not help them take better pictures. But even if it doesn’t, it probably makes it more fun for them, which is also a valid goal. Gear’s fun, what’s wrong with enjoying it? Or talking about it on a photography gear site?

              I just don’t think there’s a need to keep telling others here that they have to enjoy photography a specific way.

            • If people like myself didn’t collect more gear than they really need, half the camera industry would have bit the dust a long time ago.

            • ZoetMB

              And then there’s the opposite. Those who come on sites like this one and complain about the offerings and then when Nikon (or any manufacturer) does actually produce pretty much what they asked for, they don’t buy it anyway. Because they were never going to buy it. They just like to talk about it.

            • I’m just trying to urge people to have more fun, inspiration, achievement, accomplishment or whatever with their photography as they can with the gear that’s out there. If enjoying photography means calling every announcement of new gear “epic fail” because it didn’t fulfill their vision of what a camera should be, then I pity them. Because, there is so much more to be had. For so many, a camera is no more on the market for a month and they’re complaining that there isn’t a new version with 256mp. As for talking about gear on a photography website, I enjoy it as well. But I keep using my Df and seeing what I can do with it. It’s a very capable machine in terms of image quality. If they come out with a Df2 or whatever, great. In the meanwhile I’m still applauding the camera for what it can do today.

            • Agree, my Df travels the world with me, wouldn’t mind a few more pixels but not in a hurry.

            • nightoil

              Agreed. I’ve had a Df for 10 months now. Small, versatile, great image quality, unobtrusive. I’d be interested to see how they take the concept forwards. Couldn’t buy one though – I’m locked into Capture NX2. Df was one of the last 3 bodies supported by CNX2 (Df, D3300, D4S). Truth is I don’t “need” a new camera. The Df is plenty capable for creative photography. I have a D800 but 36 Mpx is surplus to my general needs.

            • ben132401

              why do you think you’re better than others? pretty pathetic i have to say. i got nikon gear, 300mm f4/d + d7200. i wanted a 300mm f4 with VR. they released one. and it was epic fail. its a pathetic lens with the same or worse image quality as my lens. then they’ve released the 200-500. good lens optically, even better than the 300+1.4tc. but theyve made it so slow to autofocus. pathetic. epic fail. in 2013 theyve released the 80-400 vr. it was good. until canon released their 100-400 ii a year later. which demolishes the nikon in the iq AND af speed and accuracy departments. so yea. another epic fail from nikon. so you see? i can do very good with my 300mm and d7200. but if i had started with canon i wouldve had a proper lens for wildlife, its better and cheaper than the nikon 80-400 even. so yeah nikon is failing. not to say my 300mm isnt amazing yeah? but come on nikon. FFS.

            • You need a therapist. And, work on those reading and comprehension skills. Nothing in my post about me being “better” than anyone else. Unless of course it’s people who just trash everything because it doesn’t meet some mythic criteria.

            • ben132401

              lol. amazing how you didnt comment about anything i said. you did suggest that by saying “It’s more about the gear than the photography” which suggests you know better than others, others’ ways arent good but yours is. i need a therapist? ok doctor, thanks. at least i have enough iq to think for myself. you stupid pathetic waste of oxygen

              wow. i gotta say. is this what you do for living? HAHAHAHAHA. just saw your lame website xDDD wow. i feel sorry for you. i bet you’re happy with pressing on a button to capture smiling faces. you add so much depth to this world. LOL. LOL. no wonder you’re a frustrated fool 😀

            • Feel sorry for you, looking at photographer’s websites to get their email address and then send them derogatory emails. Must be a lonely life. What were you doing with your other hand while you were doing that? I have enough self confidence to post comments anywhere on the web using my real name. Evidently you don’t and no wonder. FYI, I’ve paid a decent portion of my bills with the “smiling faces” you saw there for many years. Someone has to take those graduation photos and I’m not too proud to do it. I typically work about six to seven hours on a project and end up pocketing around $2,500 to $3,000. 95% of my corporate work is not on that site. No need to bother looking for the site that does have that work, it’s client only.

            • ben132401

              you suck, you’ll never be a good photographer, you’re not a photographer, you’re a button presser. lol. fucking robot. wake up in the morning, go to sleep at night. you’re fucking nothing.

            • nightoil

              Is this a chatbot or an actual human being?

            • ben132401

              why? because im speaking the truth? stfu co ck su cker

            • @NikonRumors Need I explain?

            • Allen_Wentz

              We would all “be better off learning how to do more with what we have,” except that the two things are not mutually exclusive.

              We can all work to learn to be better photogs and also buy new gear that allows new techniques. The advent of higher ISO, for instance, has allowed improvements in available-light captures sans strobes.

            • Absolutely, I’m not saying that isn’t true. I’m loving the files I make at ISO3200-6400 on my Df. It’s just that there is so much to explore I’m not in any rush to see a Df2. It it comes, great. In the meantime…

            • ZoetMB

              You mean like buying a $4000 body and taking the mode control off of “P”?

            • Sawyerspadre

              P is for Professional, right?

            • Lol, yeah, that would be a start!

    • I suspect that any body Nikon upgrades would be incremental. I already own a D7200, D500, and D810, so unless Nikon greatly improves sensor MP, DR, and/or weight, I may end up sitting this one out. BTW, the D500 was a great upgrade from the D300 if you do sports.

      • ernldo

        I’m still using a D800 and D7100. These two bodies are more than I imagined ten years ago and quite capable. I can’t imagine upgrading unless one of them dies…..

        • ernldo … The D810 and the D7200 were also only the slightest of incremental upgrades. Definitely worth skipping a generation.

          • ernldo

            I agree, wasn’t enough improvement to warrant upgrading. The D800 is still quite a good night/star camera, which I’ve lately been doing a lot of. Oddly, the D810 replacement might trigger a selloff in favor of a “better” body, I’d certainly be in the market for a lightly used D810….(cheap in my old age)…

          • KnightPhoto

            Don’t agree… the D810 upgrade from the D800 was probably the best two-year upgrade Nikon has made to date. That quiet/damped shutter, the LiveView, Electronic First Curtain Shutter, ISO 64, video, many more. That was a lot!
            (I didn’t get one but still I was pretty impressed for a 2-year upgrade model)
            Hope they add an optional EVF for the D820!

            • Yes, there were a lot of minor upgrades but there was no upgrade in MP, DR, and still not fast enough to catch peak action sports. These are the major game changers for me. Everyone has different priorities.

            • Now an optional EVF on the D820 would be a major upgrade.

          • snappyuk

            I’m in that camp as well. I use D800s for work but would love to see what the next generation brings in terms of both high ISO noise control and AF capabilities, having felt the swap to 810s wasn’t worth the increased cost. I’m sure they’ll increase the pixel count too for the D820 (or whatever they call it), but for everything I currently shoot, 36 million is plenty!

            • KnightPhoto

              I wonder just how balanced the D820 is going to be in megapixels, FPS, and buffer?

              If Nikon goes whole hog with a slower FPS megapixel monster D5X then the D820 can go more moderate in megapixels and retain its pretty good all around capability in the 5-6-7 fps range – e.g. a scaled up D500 sensor (which is a sensor capable of getting data off the sensor fast don’t forget) would be ~50mp and would be capable of supporting a very balanced FPS and buffer, and support higher fps in 1.2 and 1.5 crop.

              Then a 100mp anniversary D5X could come with a more pedestrian fps, ISO 32 etc.

              Not sure as personally if I was CEO I would be insisting on sensors with OSPDAF for use in LiveView, and optional EVFs on all the DSLR cameras.

        • I found the D810 to be a good upgrade over the D800. ISO 64 native is wonderful and the shutter a big improvement too. I still have one D800e and when I use it, the difference in the shutter is immediately noticeable. Other improvements are nice too, but not as big for me.

        • 24×36

          And there you just encapsulated the “declining camera market” nicely. There’s plenty of folks who are quite happy with what they already have and fewer and fewer chasing the next upgrade. It’s called market saturation, not the end of the world like it’s frequently painted to be.

          • ernldo

            Yup. I don’t blame pros, and even gear heads for upgrading with each small improvement, but for me, now an enthusiast at 67 find my gear quite enough. If I were to spend another chunk of cash, it would be on a telephoto lens, probably a 600 or 800 afs, f/4 for my wild bird photography!

    • ernldo

      I’m just curious, what does the D810 not do or not offer that you desire or need?

      • animalsbybarry

        Faster focus and faster burst rate

        • ernldo

          I guess it depends on need. My D800 is a very fast focusing camera, but burst rate is slow, its the big files of course. Resolution though, 36 MP is not enough?
          (I read a rumor that stated Nikon has a 60+ MP, FF sensor coming….)

          • animalsbybarry

            Yes higher res

            Many people who do not regularly shoot wildlife or action seem to think you don’t need resolution , just get in close so you don’t have to crop
            But that is not usually possible
            Not only is it often not possible to get close enough, but framing a subject like a bird in flight to avoid cropping will almost always result in your best shots having parts cut off

            • ernldo

              I totally get it, especially for wildlife use. I retired my D700 for the D800 for the cropping ability alone. I don’t do it for a living though, I’ll be sticking with what I have, unless Nikon delivers another knockout camera….

        • Troy Phillips

          Exactly. I got the d500 and its performance over my d810 is great. The d810 has the resolution factor though. I myself am super satisfied with the 36mp sensor of the d810. Improved processing will only improve this sensor. If I were Nikon I wouldn’t abandon this one just yet. Even if the d820/850 is not the camera for it. A d500 processor or better its af system etc with the d810 sensor would be an untouchable all around camera. Especially with the base ISO of 64. FF is chasing the resolution of the bigger medium Format sensor. But many working and non working photographers would benefit better with a camera that’s not just a one pony show . With the build quality and price of the d810.

      • An electronic viewfinder for example?

        • ernldo

          But what would you call live view? I guess its good to keep a fire lit under the makers though….

          • LV is ok… but not in shiny day. In such situations EV is perfect…

  • ben132401

    i dont think the d750 needs a replacement. canon doesnt even have an answer to that. canon has the 5d mark iv which is in the d820 class, and the 6d which is in the d610 class (well.. you know ;)). the d750 is a great camera, its even cheaper than the d500 in my country, and it shouldnt be replaced yet.

    • BVS

      I believe 6d2 is scheduled to come out this year though, which could be their answer to D750.

      • ben132401

        maybe you’re right, but they’re gonna have to make it better than the d750.

        • BVS

          I think a beefed up 80D with FF sensor, metering, and view finder would make a pretty compelling competitor to the D750.

          • ben132401

            but then nikon will release a d760 that will demolish the new “beefed up 80d” just like nikon always did. no, im not a fanboy, just looking at spec sheets.

          • dave

            no af spot metering, no thanks.

        • ernldo

          Why, and how? Do you think any D750 owners will jump to Canon over a couple FPS? I doubt it…

          • ben132401

            why? because you make a new camera better than a 2 year old camera?? logic.. activate it..

            • ernldo

              You swap out an entire system, lenses and accessories, and not wait for the sure to come soon Nikon upgrades? Logic, you say?

      • KT

        The 6D2 might be able to match the D750 in terms of IQ and low light performance but Canon will saddle it with a second tier AF system that will never match what’s being offered by Nikon in the D750.

      • Thom Hogan

        The rumor is that the 6DII will be announced in late April.

        • NikonFanboy

          Dear Thom, according to you when will you think D810 replacement will be announced ? Or in your words predict it?
          Regards nFB

    • Kiboko

      Maybe not … But I would love a better build quality and speed. Like the D500 with FX. 🙂

      • They already have that….it’s called a D5.

        • Kiboko

          I know … but I was more into the D300/D700 combo. Maybe a D500/D900?!

        • Nope, they still don’t have a “real” D700 successor.

          • I used to use my D700 for college football at night until the D500 came along. I remember when I first got my D700 and tried to use it for scenic photography in the high Sierras (Nikon 24-70 F2.8) under perfect conditions. I also remember, when I processed the images, that I wasn’t disappointed but I wasn’t elated either. In contrast, both the D500 and D810 are awesome.

          • ernldo

            The D800 was and still is a capable body.

            • The D800 indeed is a capable body although has a different purpose compared to the D700 which it supposedly succeeds.

      • Exactly why I am waiting for D850.

    • Alex Ionas

      I think the D810 goes against the 5Ds, the D750 goes against the 5D MkIII and MkIV and the D610 goes against 6D. I’ve heard a lot of comparisons but if you come to think of it this is the real class for each of them: high mp/good all-round/budget fx.

      • ben132401

        not really mate, the d750 when released was 2300$, the 5d mark iii was 3500$. the d810 is the competitor of the 5d mark iii (even tho it demolishes it) and the d750 is just a really good camera that canon never had an answer to.

        • Jon S

          You might look at it like that but Alex is right.

          • ben132401

            look at it like that? for real.. sorry that im using LOGIC.
            the d810 costs like the 5d3, the d750 costs 1k less. ????

            • Jon S

              Retail value and perceive value are 2 different things. While yes your right price wise and spec wise you are right, the way people buy these camera and perceive them Alex is right.
              So everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.

            • Alex Ionas

              Nikon has had a better performance/price ratio, historically speaking, but has recently been closing the gap due to numerous price increases. The 5DMkIV is an update to the MKIII (doughh) which has always been Canon’s all-rounder whilst they just got into the high resolution game with the 5DsR (a different naming scheme from the start). If you put the D810 in the same league as the MkIV that overlooks the fact that it is Nikon’s high mp camera. Please stop looking at direct price comparisons and start looking at the direct target use for each camera/equipment.

            • ben132401

              the d810 is a completely pro camera, the d750 isnt. it doenst have the level of weather sealing and build quality the d810 has, you’re just a bunch of fools lol. your logic doesnt work and its pretty pathetic. canon’s 5dsr is a new camera that nikon still havent answered to. the d810 was released as a direct competitor to the 5d mark 3 and the 5dsr has nothing to do with those, its in a different class. i dont really think nikon will answer to that, they will probably just release a new d820 with more mp’s. guys, please, dont be so dumb. activate your brain and think..

            • Alex Ionas

              Sorry, you can’t sustain an argument by offending the other people and swearing. Just shows that your level of education is not to be taken in consideration (apart from other things), so you’ve just confirmed we’re wasting our time with you. Have a good (and calm) day.

            • ben132401

              education? heh.. seems like you need a pole really high up your hole to help you chill, so you go do that. enjoy.

            • Jon S

              Ben, Neither Alex or I called you any sort of foul name? why did you just resort to name calling?
              The truth is I love Nikon and always have but Canons approach of using the same body (5D Mark 4 and 5DSr) is genius. Something Nikon should have done. Since they didn’t and made the D750 a lesser camera then the D810, when people compare them they will look at the equivalent and see exactly what Alex was talking about. Nikon should make all their cameras with he D500 style body and make a 50mp 40 mp and 30 mp. All with the same specs.

            • David

              I agree with the troll! Especially if the new Nikon D8xx has 46 mp, that’s the 5Ds fighter perhaps. From what I’ve heard you have to be soooooo precise with technique and exposure on the Canon which can result in significantly diminished image quality if one is lacking. The D810 still requires both but is much more flexible.

            • Jon S

              I’ve used the 5Dsr and I agree, any amount of movement or bad technique is very visible. We are not just comparing specs tho, we are comparing closest relative competitor. You’re right the D800 was originally made to compete with the Mark III and the Mark IV was made to compete with the D810, but since Nikon never made an answer to the 5Dsr. the D810 has had to hold its own against the 5Dsr. When when new buys are looking at camera system and say… I want he highest MP camera from Nikon or Canon they compare the D810 to the 5Dsr

            • Someone

              your argument is based just on price?

  • Photobug

    Unlike others, I hope there is a replacement to the D750 soon. It’s a great camera but we need the D760. Time to move a few of the D500 and D6 features to the D760.

    • ben132401

      we all hope for upgrades and better gear all the times, but nikon doesnt really need to upgrade the d750. i think they should at least wait until the 6d mark ii comes out.

      • Alex Ionas

        what I think it’s missing is real 4k at full sensor readout and probably a 28-36 mp sensor to compete against the 5DMkIV. I’ve actually been waiting for a D760 like this for over an year now and am in a really big need of upgrading.

        • ben132401

          im sure the d820 will have 4k

          • paige4o4

            Every Nikon product should/will have 4K. The questions are bit-rate and crop factor.

            • ben132401

              yep.

            • Richard Hart

              and codec variety. h264?

        • paige4o4

          D750 with with 36MP is pretty much an instant buy.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Or D5 features, unless you think the D6 will come first 😉

    • Edison Firme

      I would be willing to have the same sensor, but adding 1/8000th of a second, losing the pop-up flash, having a pro build like the D500, and using XQD cards for an endless buffer at 7 frames per second.

  • Bill Ferris

    A D820 makes sense. It’s Nikons flagship non-gripped body and sets the standard for the kind of features customers can expect to find in other FX bodies.

    I do think it’s important to really fix Snapbridge with a D820 release. A well-spec’ed D820 with an easy-to-use, reliable wireless protocol would send a positive message that Nikon is back on track.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Yup. An FX D500 with dual XQD, GPS and Snapbridge that works would hit it out of the park.

      • ben132401

        i dont think its gonna happen. well, at least not a “fx d500”. the d820 will probably be able to do 7 fps, might even be 6 and 7-8 in dx mode. but yeah, gonna be an amazing camera.

        • Allen_Wentz

          I do not suggest that D8xx should meet D5xx frame rates, just that the body be identical except slightly larger to cope with larger FX sensor and larger dual-XQD cards.

          Personally I could tolerate as low as 4 fps in a D8xx but I will take what I can get.

          • Viktor

            Have to agree with you, when I got your point 😉

            I am also fine with 4fps (and I am even fine with those 36MPs…..).
            Just the body would make me happy and going to have new main camera 😉

          • nightoil

            Totally. And on software / firmware updates, one of my (many) gripes with Nikon (as a 29-year Nikon user), is their constant refusal to provide improvements to existing cameras via firmware updates à la Fujifilm. This would be such an easy way of spreading goodwill and enthusiasm among the user base. For example, why couldn’t they have provided electronic front curtain shutter for the D800 after the D810 was released?

            Instead, we get this constant beggar-the-user philosophy: “All improvements are charged for. You WILL shell out big-time for our latest product. We give nothing away. Goodwill is NOT part of our philosophy.”

            Philosophy trickles down from the top. What is the tenacious cancer infecting the Nikon boardroom? Nikon needs a youthful boardroom coup. There is such potential in this company. They still make great products yet their market share is tanking. The catastrophic state of the camera market is precisely the moment for bright, imaginative, forward-thinking leadership capable of turning adversity into opportunity.

          • 24×36

            What do you think are the ergonomic improvements in the D500 body vs. the D810? Just curious, since I have a D810 and don’t think it has any particular ergonomic issues.

            • Pat Mann

              ISO button next to shutter trigger for one, focus point joystick for two. Flip LCD for three (low/high viewpoint, straight down or up framing easier). Deeper grip for four.

        • Proto

          hope they DONT give d820 a gigantic pixel. It takes too much storage. Need = 36mp like d810 + everything from d5.

      • Viktor

        “FX D500” ? :O No, D500 is DX and will stay DX no matter what you write here 😀

        • ben132401

          he means a fx camera with d500 features..

          • Allen_Wentz

            Yes. What I would like to see in D8xx is a D500 body exactly, except pricier and slightly larger to fit FX sensor, dual XQD and GPS.

            • Viktor

              I see…. OK, then Yes 😉 …. 😀

          • Like, uh, a D5?

            • ben132401

              d5? low dynamic range, olpf? nah.

        • sandy

          Wasn’t there an interview or rumor that conceded the true D700 upgrade may really happen?

      • Someone

        Snapbridge works fine now with the latest firmware. Also, no need for GPS if you have snapbridge.

      • Fly Moon

        That’s exactly what I was thinking. I own a D500!

    • Thom Hogan

      Hmm. You want to send 2mp JPEGs from a–oops, can’t say right now–uh, higher than 42mp camera that most people are probably shooting raw with?

      Thing is, the higher you go up the Nikon lineup, the less likely it is that SnapBridge is the networking thing that the customer would ask for. I’d think the D810 type owner would be looking for something more like Cascable. E.g they’d want the raw file moved over to their tablet to do post processing work on.

      • Eric Calabros

        What kind of tablet? iPad with restricted storage expansion? is it what they really want?

      • Bill Ferris

        Why does the image need to be 2 mp in size? Why can’t Nikon offer the option of smaller files & smaller file size?

        • Thom Hogan

          Looking at all the social Web site specs, the largest image size that’s used as is that I can find is Ello, at 2560 x 1440, or 3.6mp. A highlighted image on Facebook is 1200 x 717, or 0.8mp.

          Basically, the bar is really low for social sharing, and 2mp is just fine for that, especially since there are aspect ratio things that come into play. I’m sure Nikon looked at the social sites and tried to come up with something that works for the vast majority. And remember, these Web sites tend to make small changes all the time to their layouts and sizes. So sending 2mp when the norm is about 1mp gives them some head room for proper scaling.

          The biggest problem I have with SnapBridge is that I have to shoot JPEG to use it. Otherwise I have to spend time on the camera–more damned workflow–to generate a JPEG from the raw and then tell that to be sent. I have no need for camera JPEGs, remember, I’ve already got one in the raw file!

          • Bill Ferris

            Your comments about workflow hit the nail on the head. I would include addressing those performance or process issues within the broad scope of “fixing” the app. I suppose a better way of describing that would be to make Snapbridge both technically reliable and user friendly. If Snapbridge works as designed but the design is fatally flawed (e.g. unable to export a JPEG or any other image format you’d like from an original RAW), Nikon will be right back where they were before launching their full review and audit of all imaging products. What’s the point of that process of they’re not going to make real, meaningful change?

          • Davo

            Even if Snapbridge worked well, don’t you think it’s terribly inefficient to be moving images around so much, even the relatively small 2mp images?
            And for serious RAW processing, do people really want or need the transfer to be wireless?
            For me the answers are:
            Yes, too inefficient and there are better ways
            And no, wired transfer are fine for many large RAW files.

            • Thom Hogan

              Inefficient? So having my camera produce a 2mp image automatically, send it to my smartphone automatically, and then let me tap where to send it is inefficient compared to take the card out of the camera, put it in a card reader, ingest to a computer, make a 2mp version of it using some software product, then clicking to send it somewhere?

              I wasn’t asking for raw files to be transferred by SnapBridge. That’s a whole different workflow problem.

            • Davo

              No. I didn’t mean compared to taking the card out/card reader ingest etc.
              I meant having to move images wirelessly in the field which is power hungry so you have to be selective. And once it ends up on the phone you may decide it’s another image you want so it’s back to the camera. The to and fro is inefficient I meant.

            • Thom Hogan

              Okay, sure.

              It shouldn’t have to be. If you’re only using Bluetooth and 2mp images and only sending an image sporadically, that shouldn’t really impact your battery life much. And I’d tend to say that it doesn’t seem to.

              For some reason, however, shooting continuous and sending everything via Bluetooth does. But I’m going to guess that it isn’t Bluetooth that’s the issue of power draw. I’m betting that the cameras are inefficient in creating a new 2mp image, that something in that creation chain is drawing the power.

            • Davo

              Isn’t that EXPEED’s job (or one of them). To create jpegs quickly and efficiently?

              Anyways I was just thinking from what might be the thought process of a fickle consumer who might find it troublesome to be selective enough on what to send over to the phone.
              But then I realized that boat probably already sailed long ago. Which group of photographers who haven’t already settled for smartphones are demanding this instant share ability?

            • Thom Hogan

              Yes. But the difference would tell me that EXPEED’s normal JPEG handling is hard coded into the electronics, and the 2mp image is created by reading the final file and then running the CPU on it with real software code, not hardware encoded bits.

            • For me, it would be a selling point to move from a D810 to a D820 if I could have a reliable smartphone connection for triggering the camera. I don’t really need to share online 99.8% of the time. I should almost exclusively in RAW mode and edit in LR/PS. Having files even bigger than 36MP will mean that slow wireless links will mean I won’t be doing mobile edits of these files.

              But, give me the ability to control the cam (long exposure, time lapse, etc.) via my phone and I’ll definitely use it.

            • Thom Hogan

              The D8xx series doesn’t use the old WMU-style Wi-Fi approach. Nikon seems to think you should just use a WR-R10 in the 10-pin socket and fire the camera using that.

              I’ll be curious to see if Nikon changes their mind with the D810 followup.

            • Davo

              So is that laziness? Not utilizing the more efficient hardware coded EXPEED chip that’s already there or is rerouting that path an engineering nightmare.
              Either way, eventually the whole wireless transfer thing would be solved through bandwidth increases and better batteries. I guess a well working Snapbridge now may give Nikon an edge over competitors but I doubt this workflow will win back any consumers, at least what I know of consumer habits through personal observations.

            • Thom Hogan

              When you hard code an algorithm into a chip, as imaging ASICs do for their primary chores, it’s a long process. Note how long it took Nikon to fix the problem on the DL cameras that was in the ASIC. It’s a straightforward process, but time-consuming, plus you have to actually fab the chip to test it, so it can be expensive, too.

              My guess is that the SnapBridge requirements came long after the EXPEED chips for this generation of cameras was finalized, giving them no real option but to use the main CPU with code loaded from elsewhere.

            • YS

              I recall reading about people’s cameras and phones dying just from keeping the connection on. That’s kinda not supposed to happen with Bluetooth LE. Bad implementation perhaps? Does that happen with yours?

            • Thom Hogan

              Well, yes, if you leave BT talking forever it is using battery. It’ll eventually take your battery down. But that is measured in hours. Moreover, as I point out, at the camera end it seems to happen faster when you’re doing large number of transfers.

          • El Aura

            What do you think is the reason for Nikon requiring a separate JPEG image? That have slow card read mechanisms and reading a separate, significantly smaller file (JPEG) is faster than reading a larger file (raw) and extracting the JPEG from that data?

            • Thom Hogan

              Laziness or not seeing the need. Choose one or both.

  • Eric Calabros

    Marketing wise, D820 has higher priority, but for most of us Nikon shooters, D7300 is even more important. I know many upgrading people who wait just for a D750 style LCD screen behind the D7200, and 4k.

    • Thom Hogan

      Personally, I believe the D7300 will come first. I’m a little surprised it hasn’t already been announced.

  • Troy Phillips

    I have heard rumors of an 8-16 fx lens coming from Nikon. If it’s a fixed aperture say an f/4 what’s that guy goning to cost? An f/2.8 in that range is what I’d actually like to have . Oh and while your at it throw in VR. So handy for what I do. That would be a monster of a lens and probably almost impossible to build . At least of any quality.

    • I heard several different rumors, not sure which one exactly is true, but it will be a wide angle lens, most likely a zoom.

      • Richard Hart

        it could be an updated 14-24 with updated glass or with vr or something else to make it more video proof. It could even be a cheaper glass – look at irix and laowa competition.

    • Viktor

      This range sounds really crazy :O If this rumor comes true I do not want to see the price tag 😀 f/2.8 VR…… pro housing….. that would be an incredible monster….. actually as of having the Nikon’s situation in mind, I have to say, that I hope this is not the coming one….. it would not be an out-of-shop runner 🙁 I hope Nikon is not going to do such mistakes again and again…..

      • Andreas Kellermann

        Vr doesnt make sense. At 16mm pretty much everything is in focus at f4.

        • Sawyerspadre

          Isn’t VR for shake, not DOF?

          • Andreas Kellermann

            Yes, but bigger dfo at lower apature leads leads to high shutter speed and less need for vr.

        • ben132401

          lol dude VR = vibration reduction

          its image stabilization. has nothing to do with the aperture, focus or depth of field.

          • Allen_Wentz

            Totally untrue. Aperture, focus and DOF are all inseparable; and VR is similarly inseparable from the other three.

            If I can minimize shake via VR then I can get away with slower shutter speed which means I can reduce aperture which means I get more DOF.

            • ben132401

              i get what you mean. i didnt realize Andreas meant this also.

          • Andreas Kellermann

            hey dude
            Dude, short focal lenght == large dfo at a small aparture, dude. So dude, small aparture equals short exposure time equals little to no need for VR, see dude?

            • ben132401

              andreas, you’re a pathetic fat “photographer”, all you do is stand with your pathetic tiny lens and press on a button in order to “photograph” some landscape that 1000 people already photographed. you’re pathetic, and your cynicism indicates you’re just a frustrated nobody.

            • Andreas Kellermann

              lol dude you made my day 😛

            • ben132401

              glad to know you can accept the truth, you fat4ss waste of oxygen

        • Viktor

          Actually I do agree with you that VR has no sense for ultrawide lenses and really f/4 and on means all is sharp within the very wide DoF, but the reason is a bit different then you have stated…..

          It does not have to do anything with aperture, it is more about the ratio you move by shaking camera in your hands and the viewangle you cover.

          • Antonio

            It may not make sense for stills but it can be a bit different for video shooters with no tripod and moving the camera even if for short pans, depending on the way VR works.

            • Viktor

              OK, I have to acknowledge I forget a lot about video users as very ofter I even forget my cameras can do video 😀 I have made like 2-3 videos at all and I am always very surprised when I find out those cameras know to take video 😀

              So you are maybe right…. I do not know….. sorry video guys, my fault.

          • Eledeuh

            Nonsense.

            Do you guys really never go out when it’s somewhat dark ?
            VR allows the possibility to use slower shutter speeds, that’s all there is to it. You can’t always use a tripod, VR is for those times.

            Every time I see this argument here it seems everyone only ever shoots at midday on the clearest of days, probably the absolute most boring time for photography. VR *is* useful for wide angle lenses, obviously less so than for telephotos, but it’s still a killer feature.

            • Viktor

              😀 It is funny you wrote this to me as I used to be years ago (before becoming portrait specialist) a night scene towns and architecture photo specialist 😀

              TRIPOD is my solution to this and for many years it has been 😉 I have walked all over my beloved Prague with a heavy tripod and never desired VR…… please tell me when you cannot use tripod and you need VR, seriously, please…..

            • Eledeuh

              Have you really never stepped out of a city… ?

              Nature, any kind. Go do some photography in the wild with a heavy backpack, you can’t always just stop and set up a tripod, sometimes time doesn’t allow it, sometimes the terrain doesn’t allow it.

              Heck, even in large cities, sometimes tripod are not allowed for use (very common in Japan for instance).

            • Viktor

              😀 OK, OK 😀

              I do not know how it is in Japan, but you are right that even in Prague we have now some places you cannnot use tripod without formal allowance….

              So after all, I could agree with you that there are some places it can be used….

              However I still do not feel conviced enought to go and buy a wide angle lens with VR. The thing that I still do feel the micro movements do effect the sharpness on high-res sensors and technically the easier construction will have longer durability. (just personal point of view….)

    • KnightPhoto

      Hang on, an 8-16 FX would just be a Circular to full-frame fisheye wouldn’t it?

      Which would be fine with me…

    • Pat Mann

      Sounds like a fisheye to me if it starts at 8mm.

  • Spy Black

    Well, there was supposedly a Df update for the 100th as well, possibly to be released on the anniversary. I guess we’ll see.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Are you thinking of the medium format, compact Mirrorless, rangefinder inspired, lightweight, heavy duty, 100MP camera that we have all been waiting for, with the 20 million pixel EVF, the IBIS, all in an F mount that works all the way back to Non AI lenses?

      Of course it will have 8k, 480fps video.

      I heard it has an iOS 11 user interface, can share directly to EVERY damn thing, and if you are an iOS hater, it can be booted in Android, Windows Phone, Linux, Mac OS and even MS DOS, if you prefer.

      It will have Compact Flash, SD, XQD, and an 800k floppy disk drive all included.

      If it’s that one, yes, we are all in.

      That is, as long as it will work with Thom’s DX primes.

      • ben132401

        hahahhaa

        you forgot night vision

    • Thom Hogan

      I’m not hearing anything about a true anniversary type camera any more. I hear about “next 100 year kickoff” type projects and expected existing model iterations, but all talk of a legacy-focused product seems to have disappeared.

      • Spy Black

        Well, that would be a bummer, although not entirely unexpected. I was really hoping for an updated Df design with better AF.

  • geofflivingston

    I’ll bet the third camera is the Df replacement, a 100 year anniversary special. And before all of the haters jump on the Df, don’t be cruel. It’s my favorite camera of all time, even more so than my D810.

    • Those were the initial rumors from last year, but I never heard any details since.

      • Michiel953

        That deafening silence could be the giveaway, but I would have expected the teasers to have started by now.

        • Nikon is not big on teasers. Yes, they had one for the Df.

          • Michiel953

            That’s what I meant; fascinating and very enticing, but the outcome was slightly disappointing.

            When did that start? Two months before the unveiling? We’ve still got four months to go.

            • Yes, I think it started aprox a month before the announcement.

    • Ric of The LBC

      Long live the Df line!

  • sickheadache

    IF you all didn’t know this true fact..We are about a couple years behind this important news. The Last Product from Nikon that had a Sony Sensor is D800/810! D5 and D500 Nikon Sensors. The New D820 will have Nikon Sensor. And on and on. This is why Pentax only had that old Sony 36.3mp in their new camera. Sony high end mp sensors for only Sony Cameras.

    • ben132401

      seriously? the d500 has a nikon sensor?? where did you hear that? if its true, good job nikon!

      • Thom think it’s a Sony sensor. I personally think it’s a Nikon sensor (designed by Nikon) but I have no proof.

        • Eno

          Most probably it’s a Nikon designed – Sony produced (for Nikon) sensor. 🙂

        • sandy

          Not sure about designed, maybe more specced and helped in the design..

        • Davo

          Bobn2 on dpreview seem pretty knowledgeable about chip designs and is completely convinced the D500’s sensor is a Sony.

          • I will check his comments.

            • Davo

              You might have to go a long way back to when D500 first became available for the nitty gritty discussions. But in the recent discussions about Sony Imaging keeping sensors to themselves, he reiterated his claims that the D500 sensor design all points to a Sony base.

            • dave

              this is a different dave, I posted the link s few days ago which is https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57049513

              the thread is a good read and pretty much will change your mind on “who builds the sensor” as it’s parts from a few venders but nikon has its own sensor design team… too tired to rehash but its all there

        • DafOwen
        • MB

          The only Japanese company left that is capable of sensor manufacturing is Sony (besides Panasonic but they are too small and don’t make full frame sensors) and Nikon, being a patriotic company, has no choice but to buy sensors from them… tweaked or not…

          • Thom Hogan

            Of course you’re forgetting Canon ;~). In terms of ILC sensors, Canon has half the market!

        • I’m not sure who made it, but it’s much better than advertised. I expected it to but at par or subtly worse than the D7100 I had. It is much, much better.

        • Thom Hogan

          On my site I use the words “Sony (special to Nikon).” That’s because it seems clear it is fabbed on a plant owned by Sony, and seems to have some Exmor-derived IP in it. But it’s also clear that it is unique to Nikon, and in several properties. I would tend to say that it appears to have derived from the work Nikon did with Toshiba for sensors (e.g. the Toshiba 5105).

    • sandy

      Not so much. The D500 is reportedly, by people I trust, Sony. The D820 will have a Sony built sensor, bet you a beer. Don’t know where you get this stuff about Sony high end only for Sony, that’s hogwash. The 42 meg chip is Sony only (camera company), but Nikon can spec any chip and Sony (sensor company) will build it for them.

      • sickheadache

        U gonna lose. After the 810…no more Sony sensors.

        • Thom Hogan

          Actually, the story is much more interesting than that. The original D800 sensor performed in ways that no Sony sensor before or even since has (deeper well storage, for one). I was actually surprised when it got licensed to other companies, but that may have been because of an exclusivity agreement that was based on exchanged IP.

          Look, if Sony Semiconductor decides to only make sensors for Sony Imaging, Sony Semiconductor is going to have profitability issues and Sony cameras are going to get way more expensive.

          What we’re seeing is an era much like the ARM has produced, where companies license or use some basic IP and then put their spin on it. Fujifilm’s X-Trans, for instance, is a good example. And Aptina’s original dual gain and PD-on-sensor IP is now scattered throughout the Sony lineup due to licensing.

          What most people don’t realize is just how much cross licensing and cooperative licensing goes on in Japan. IS on sensor, for example, is an HP original patent. It got to Pentax because HP used Pentax to manufacture the HP cameras. From there, it’s pollinated to others, I think because of some standard cross-licensing deals that were already in place (e.g. you can use my patents if I can use yours).

      • dave

        Sony camera’s and sony sensors are too different companies, if sony only used their fab they’d go out of business and nikon is their biggest customer

    • Shutterbug

      The D500 has a Sony sensor with the latest copper wire design, fabricated on the Toshiba production lines that Sony purchased. It might have Nikon design input. Looking at the design, there is nothing to suggest otherwise. The D750 also has a Sony sensor and was released after the D800. The D5500 also uses a Sony sensor. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from but it’s incorrect.

      • sickheadache

        After the D810…no more Sony Sensors.

        • dave

          some parts will be fabbed by sony, some by others, some ny neon and thenassumbled by nikon from what i know.

          If sony sensor company only sold to (a separate) sony camera company then they’d probably;y go out of business

        • Thom Hogan

          Again, wrong.

          Let me ask you a question: who designed the CPU inside an iPad and who manufactured it? Hint: Apple A9X may be the name on the chip, but it’s not the answer to either question.

      • sickheadache
  • DafOwen

    I’d like something in between 750 and 810/820
    – Great low-light
    – Great focusing
    – Pro-style no-grip body
    – CF/XQD cards – x2 or maybe 1 SD
    – Would be happy with 20-30Mpx

    Currently use a D800 for concert photography.

    • DafOwen

      and 400mm PF VR (f4) – so an affordable 400

      • ben132401

        canon’s 400mm DO ii costs 6000$. if you consider that affordable, then yeah.

    • Allen_Wentz

      NO SD cards! SD are old tech that limit performance of modern high-end DSLR. XQD rock.

      • DafOwen

        Yeah – although considering downgrading to 750 if my 800 shutter dies – I’m loath to mainly due to the SD cards/body.

        • KnightPhoto

          Don’t forget the D820 will be one XQD and one SD card :0)

          • 24×36

            Let’s hope they don’t repeat THAT mistake.

      • I like XQD as well, but there’s no reason I know of why UHS-II SD can’t hit adequate speeds. Example: https://goo.gl/tQ5n7t

        • Allen_Wentz

          First line of your link says
          “SD cards still can’t approach the kind of speeds CFast 2.0 and XQD cards boast.”

          XQD is superior tech and will just become more superior tech over time.

          • Oh, I’m with you–I have a D500 and it’s the same story. And I’m sure that no matter how fast an SD card you put in the D500, the XQD will always win.

            What I’m saying is, for instance, in a camera like the A99ii, there’s no reason it needs to be as slow as it is while using UHS-II cards. It should be possible to have acceptably fast write speeds with SD cards. Not as fast but adequate. The disparity in write speeds is real…but it shouldn’t be as bad as it is in these cameras.

            For example, Imaging Resource pegs the A99ii as writing at around 60mb/s to a UHS-II card. That’s insanely slow! The only Sandisk Extreme Pro 95mb/s cards are good for at least 85-90mb/s write speeds, and those are UHS-I!

            If the A99ii could write to UHS-II cards at something more like 250mb/s, which is totally achievable…it would be a different camera. And it would be more what I’d expect. Not a pedestrian 60mb/s.

            Yes, XQD is the fastest (or CFast), but SDXC need not be so damned slow.

            I think they’re cheaping out on controllers, and the medium is far more capable than what we’re seeing.

          • Also: the D500 isn’t hitting the top speeds the SD cards should be hitting either. Again, I think they’re just cheaping out on SD card controllers.

  • Davo

    Maybe Nikon’ll go beast mode and release a 100MP monster for the 100th anniversary.

    • Pat Mann

      How about two 50s – one for FX, one for DX.

      • Davo

        Haha.. good one.
        Or FX at 100MP and DX at 45MP. Same pixel pitch. Develop a scalable design to save on R&D costs.

  • doge

    Their anniversary isn’t until July 25th. Plenty of time to get their ducks in a row.

    • maybe announce in April, ship by July

      • RC Jenkins

        …and delay to February.

        Let’s not forget that last step. XD

        • Thom Hogan

          No, the last step is to cancel it.

  • Another date I heard is April 10… we shall see

    • Bill Ward

      The anniversary of the Titanic sailing.

      • lol 🙂

      • TwoStrayCats

        “Fujiberg dead ahead!”

    • Thom Hogan

      They don’t announce their fiscal year results until May 11. It’s possible they’ll announce something before then. Especially since it appears that several products have been queuing up for launch, and they really need to get those out in the April-Jun quarter.

      But normally they wouldn’t put a launch just before results, and for obvious reasons this year: the financial results and restructuring they need to do will likely bury the marketing of any new product in a lot of negative noise.

  • kristapnosmart

    I am hoping that they will present a new PR line and a new product for consumer market (the one that is not existent) and to set of that mess – a price increase for DLSR’s and lenses – Nikon never let us down on these ones.

  • bgbs

    For Nikon’s 100th anniversary expect $100 rebates

    • Sawyerspadre

      Right after the announcement that they will each increase in price by $200 😉

  • Oz Baz

    And the df2? Has it been dropped?

    • Not sure, I have not received any info on that model since last year.

  • Francesco Gelati

    ora sono stanco lenti di 10 anni fa e sensori sempre piu densi , i nuovi 1,8 made in cina sono un offesa ! gli Art un ripiego …..

  • Francesco Gelati

    I’m tired now than 10 years ago and lenses increasingly dense sensors, the new 1.8 made in china is an insult! The Art a makeshift …..

  • Taz Ali

    Or maybe Nikon surprise us:

    D8xxx – pro line

    D820- low light monster 8-10 fps, 20Mp, D5 sensor, $3,000
    D830 – all rounder, refined D810, 6-7 fps, lighter, flip screen, touch sensitive, $3,300
    D850 -D800 successor, 54Mp, 4K, flip screen, lightup buttons, $3,600

    D7XX – prosumer line

    D760, refined D750, touch sensitive, D5 focusing, reduced spread, $2400
    D7300- refined D7200, flip screen

    • ben132401

      -_-..

    • Shutterbug

      I think your prices are low, but I like your specs. They also wouldn’t do 3 versions of the 8XX, but maybe two. If I had to guess I would think they will just do one with how successful the D810 was as an all-rounder.

      • Allen_Wentz

        The thing is, Nikon should probably have one high MP beast for the folks who are into that, and for bragging rights; what the D800 was when it came out. But for most D8xx photogs the 30-40 MP range is fine, and the body just needs modernizing.

        IMO Nikon needs a high MP x version of something. Could be a D5x but I think the single-digit Nikon x versions went EOL when the D800 came out. So that ideally leaves us with two D8xx versions, but I agree with Shutterbug that one version is more likely and I think it will be more than 36 MP.

    • RC Jenkins

      Yes, that would be a surprise. It would be my surprise cue to exit because there’s no way Nikon could support all of that. Nor does anyone need all of that.

      We really only need about 3 categories of FX cameras: Fast / Low-light; Slow / high-DR; and ‘Balanced’ between the two. Maybe 1 additional category for feature limited cameras like the Df or D6xx.

      -D8xxx? Nikon already has a pro DX line: D500.

      -D820? …why? A slower D5?
      -D830? A more expensive D750 w/only the addition of touch screen and the D810 control layout? 6-7 FPS on a 36MP sensor would not be cheap to implement for any reasonable burst length.
      -D850? Sure.

      D760? Sure, but why the reduced spread?

      D7300? Sure.

      • Taz Ali

        Different tools for different folks

        So you don’t consider a D810 to be pro class…interesting….

        • RC Jenkins

          Where did I say that? Nowhere, because I never said that.

          The D810 is a pro class camera.

    • drororomon

      I see the line up in terms of specs and price points as such:

      Entry model – D3400 / D610
      Mid, Goldilocks model – D5600 / D750
      High end, high resolution – D7200 / D810
      Flagship, speed monster – D500 / D5

      I don’t see them making drastic changes until they figure out where in the lineup to fit in their hypothetical mirrorless cameras. The N1 comfortably sits outside the lineup by itself, but as mirrorless tech such as the X-T2, a6500, and A7rii slowly creeps up to high end models like the D810 and D500, Nikon can and should start thinking forward and start that transition soon.

      • RC Jenkins

        A few tweaks I’d recommend to your list:
        The D5600 is an entry level model, and the D7200 (& series) is very close to the D750 except the obvious DX / FX divide.

        Also, the D7200 also has pretty much identical resolution and image quality to the D3400 and D5600. The D7200 is definitely a mid/’prosumer’, not ‘high end’ model. This is further indicated by its control layout, which is consistent with the D750 and inconsistent with the ‘pro’ models like the D5, D500, & D810.

        So using your conventions, I’d say it’s more like:

        Entry model – D3400 / D5600 / D610
        Mid, Goldilocks model – D7200 / D750
        Flagship high resolution IQ – D810
        Flagship, speed monster – D500 / D5

    • Davo

      You know what, that’s not a bad idea..
      It’s sort of a variation of the Sony A7 series. Three models sharing the same body.

      But I’d make it:
      D850 – general all rounder
      D850h – speed (D5 sensor)
      D850x – high MP
      And two integrated grip bodies:
      D5x in addition to the D5

      Two body types and three sensor types for the entire lineup but keep the D750 as an entry level.
      But I’d priced the all-rounder the lowest. And when the D750 is due for updating, introduce one more lower end body and it inherits an updated version of the general all-rounder sensor.

      It’d be a more cost-effective model by adding volume to each body type and sensor type.

    • KnightPhoto

      For pricing don’t forget Thom’s “several cameras > $5,000 are in the pipeline” – not sure what that means 😉

  • hookshanks

    Nikon looks very vulnerable to a Sony takeover !

    • Nyarlathotep

      I don’t think Sony wants more liability in a declining market. I just don’t see Sony gunning for ownership of Nikon.

    • sickheadache

      hook…stop that…Sony is not going to take over Nikon.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Sony wishes they could sell as many camera’s as Nikon.

  • Ryan I. Peterparkerson

    I’d like to have a bit of confidence in the move Nikon makes.

    Embracing XQD card slot full heartedly is one of my wants.

    If the 5 new Nikkor lenses are going to be priced above the 3rd party options why not push the envelope with a D5x (megapixels not fps). Really showcase why it’s Nikon glass or bust.

    If you are going to raise prices just mix the 750 and 800 series and give both the crowds what they would want to upgrade to in a D850 body

    Don’t dummy consumer the D7300 give it real features to pull in existing 7000 series users. While keeping pros interested in grabbing a D7300 as well.

    D5X
    D850
    D7300

    • manattan

      What could the D7300 have that is not stealing from the D500?

      • Alex Ionas

        4k at full sensor read, 28-32 mp with same IQ as current 24mp sensor and PDAF.

        • Allen_Wentz

          So you are suggesting cannibalizing the pro-body D500 sales by adding newer high end features to the cheaper big-box-store-sales D7xxx line.

          I doubt if I would recommend that path to Nikon unless a D500 upgrade also was imminent, but one would need sales info by model and some market research to intelligently opine.

          • Sawyerspadre

            I think you could split the difference by adding the flippy screen, touchscreen, new sensor, and keep 51 focus points and the prosumerish build. Keep the FPS lower. Keep the pop-up flash and prosumer control layout.

            Keep in mind that in many markets the only place a consumer can touch a Nikon is at the big box, and they wouldnt be fondling any D500 there.

            The D500 is selling, and is Pro. It won’t be $1000 anytime soon. That $1000ish price point is a big seller and many of those buyers are not going to jump up to a D500. That is your target D7300 user.

            Also, a true D500 user would never settle for the “amateur” control layout and flimsy build, with a “useless” pop-up flash.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Makes sense.

          • Alex Ionas

            Does the D810 cannibalize the D5? I’m talking of the same class difference as in the FX line, High speed and iso performance versus slower but higher mp. The D500 will always be the choice for sports/wildlife while the D7300 will be used for landscape photographers (for example) that don’t want to lug around (or don’t make a living out of) a full frame body. Plus extra resolution would keep the line relevant to the smartphone steamroller because apart from the IQ (wich will always be better on a bigger sensor camera, of course) it will have that market spark that camera makers need to keep their products relevant even to the not so techy majority of consumers.

  • Sebastian

    Agree with this list. On the d820… they need a new sensor. And I’m not sure they’ll get it from Sony. If they get the 42 MP sensor then it’s a no-brainer. That’ll be your 820, plus a few minor tweaks.

    • animalsbybarry

      46mp and not from Sony (rumor)

      • Sebastian

        It would be smart in the long run not to get the sensor from Sony, even if it’s a bit worse.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Some folks (me) do not really like the D810 body as is, which is the only reason I do not own one. Nikon has opportunity to make D8xx largely identical to the D5xx body and I hope they do. No need for super high frame rates or super high pixel count.

  • eric

    d820 will have 36mp and snapbridge, thats all im guessing. the new lenses will probably be nice though.

    • Espen4u

      Will snapbridge ever be the solution for large files?

  • I am hoping their path is heading in the way of better video capabilities – I feel they have only really does lip service to ado so far but their last offerings (D500 and D5) produce very good vdo but lack controls and thoughts of operation.

    • dabug91

      Considering that Canon has their Cinema line and Sony has their high-end video cameras and Nikon probably never will have their own comparable line, I think they pretty much have to incorporate better video features into their DSLR’s to compete with Canon and Sony and even Panasonic.

  • Aldo

    I hope whatever nikon releases is free of issues.

  • dave

    Thats kind of irrelevant, look on the forum under that topic and follow link i posted… read.. gain knowledge , understand 😉

  • AYWY

    That they would continue to ignore mirrorless in 2017 is a concern. Competitors would already have so many iterations of their products and resolved multiple technical, usability and priduction challenges. It is too arrogant to assume you can have a fresh launch and be immediately competitive against others who have already refined their products after years of experience and multiple launches.

    Unfortunately, Nikon may be doomed to be a Pentax among MILCs – A few years later than everyone else to release an equivalent product and generally not competitive enough for the forseeable future.

    Maybe unless they fulfill an un-fulfilled MILC want. Like maybe an FF MILC system that does not slap Zeiss logos on so many lenses to jack up prices? 😛 (Incidentally looking through KR’s sample images for some premium FE glass, flare and ghosts can be worse than a modern Canikon kit lens – stuff that labs don’t measure.)

  • I am not sure I understand your comment. Are your trying to make a joke?

  • Yes, I am sure there will be plenty of clickbait nonsense coming out from certain websites and it seems that you like that BS. Please do not discuss this further again because I really have enough.

    • animalsbybarry

      Ok

  • DrNo666

    When it comes to lenses Nikon can do two things:
    1) Replace old lenses. There we have both D and G versions to upgrade. The E versions should be rather stable: 800, 600, 500, 400, 300pf, 200-500, 70-200, 24-70
    2) Come up with something completely new. Here i scratch my head and try to figure out what they can do? More PF would be interesting to see.

  • DrNo666

    D versions still to upgrade are no bestsellers: 14mm, 16fish, 135mm, 180mm, 200micro, 24t/s 45t/s and 85t/s
    G versions that are old are: 14-24, 70-300, 200-400, 200mm, 300/2.8mm

  • EnPassant

    Here is what I expect and the reasons why:

    Nikon D7300
    The D7X00 series is Nikon’s best selling enthusiast camera and the only not yet updated with snapbridge. It and it’s predecessors has been on a two year or so schedule all the way back to the original D70 and should therefore be a given release. An updated body with a lot of the features from the D750 including the tilted screen would be nice.

    Nikon D820
    The D8X0 series started with a two year schedule and an update was therefore expected last year. But change of release scheduling, slower sales of cameras and propably most important a new, better sensor, and maybe also some faster chips, not yet available have pushed the release forward. That however has allowed the competition to sell cameras with higher resolution, Canon with 50MP and Sony with 42MP for both E- and A-mount. Even Pentax, while using the same 36MP sensor, with the pixel shift technology can reach higher resolution than D810. Nikon therefore is under pressure announcing a new camera that at least on paper can be competitive, although many think D810 is still very competitive in practise.

    Nikon D760
    If one think D750 was the planned upgrade for the illfated D600 then we would have expected A D760 already 2016. However, unlike D810, the D750 is still going strong versus the competition, Canon 6D, which was more a D600 competitor, and the equally old Sony A99. So at the moment there is no hurry to release a replacement. Besides Nikon propably want to deplete the stock of D610 cameras first so that when a D760 arrives D750 can take the place as the FX, full frame entry level camera. A D760 coming next year seems plausible.

    Nikon DF2
    No rumors doesn’t mean this camera is not coming. It’s just not expected until late autumn/winter as the Df was announced on November 5. I still make sense for Nikon to release this camera as many liked the DF despite some compromises in operation. I would expect a similar camera body using the D5 sensor and be based on the D750 body.

    Nikon D5X
    Some think Nikon should make a high MP Pro camera for pro’s who want the same type of camera for all of their work. I do however think it will be hard to sell enough of them to make a profit if such a camera use the same sensor as the latest D8X0 camera. The only possibility is if a D5X is the resolution king for long enough time, like D3X. But does such high MP sensor ready to use exist? I don’t know and my expectations for such a camera is low, especially if a D820 is released this year as expected.

    Mirrorless
    I think Nikon is working on a mirrorless with a larger sensor than 1″ as Nikon 1 is more or less dead. Another reason is that the D3X00 and D5X00 cameras seem to be at the road’s end. They are no longer much upgraded but more downgraded to save production costs.
    However I think it may be to early for Nikon to release a mirrorless system already this year as they need to get everething right this time and therefore need more time for developing and testing. Although an early announcement is possible.

    As to the format I expect it to be APS-C or DX as Nikon names it. Because the DX cameras with lower sales price are under a stronger cost cutting pressure and therefore more benefitting from the cheaper mirrorless build. Nikon would also not want to compete with their big FX, full frame F-mount system. While many dream about a Nikon competitor for Sony’s FE system the A7 cameras are mostly smaller with a few, select lenses. Put the best Sony pro lenses on them and the overall size is close to the same as full frame DSLRs. So the main advantage of full frame mirrorless cameras is the EVF. But I have hope we one day will see a hybrid optical and electronical viewfinder. In the meantime the possibility to add an accessory EVF would be a good enough solution for many. Let’s see what the D820 brings!

    Lenses
    An ultra wide, propably zoom FX lens is rumored. I would like to see a replacement of the old 17-35 lens competing with Canon’s 16-35/2.8 III. however that may not be as ultra wide as the rumor suggest. So we have to wait and see what is coming. But at least one of the lenses should be a very wide lens.

    A 300/2.8 FL is expected for release. Maybe also a 200/2 FL.
    And what everybody is waiting for; The yearly DX-lens release! 🙂
    The mid and long DX tele zooms just got the P update. Next in line could be one of the 18-XXX super zooms. My favourite DX lens would however be a super wide zoom that is cheap but has great optical performance, like Canon’s EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS lens.

    That leaves space for another 1-2 lenses. First I do not think it will be a 135mm lens as the 105/1.4 is to close and will be given more time to sell. A new 200mm Micro-Nikkor is still missing. The old one is optically great but big and without VR. Other suggestions is a high grade 50/1.4 sharp at full opening or a 28/1.4 with better optical performance than the the 24 and 35mm f/1.4 lenses. That would make the AF-S F-mount lens line-up almost complete with just a few more holes to plug and after that do some updates of the oldest AF-S lenses. That means Nikon from next year will have capacity to start releasing a new line of mirrorless lenses.

    Compacts
    Some kind of super zoom compact is propably coming. An AW compact, usable under water and using a 1″ sensor would be nice to see. As to the deleted 1″ DL line it may be asking to much expecting Nikon to came with replacement 1″ compacts already this year. But Nikon should definitely be present in the 1″ compact market just as their competitors Canon and Sony.

    Next Year predictions
    2018 I expect a D5s and a D760, propably upgraded with the 36MP sensor as the D820 already got a sensor with more MP and to distinguish it from the D750 still for sale.
    A Mirrorless DX system with two cameras and 3-4 lenses to start with could be Nikon’s big thing at Photokina.

    • Thom Hogan

      In terms of ILC predictions, I think you’ll go 4 for 7.

      I don’t think Nikon has until Photokina to launch a DX mirrorless system, and 3-4 lenses at that point won’t cut it. That would have to be 3-4 lenses and a full lens road map at a bare minimum, and even that would be iffy.

      • WBR

        Thom, buzz, buzz, buzz. I haven’t seen a single comment here, or a rumor anywhere, that even one DX lens will appear. If so, maybe thee 7300 is the last in the line……

      • Nikonland

        I agree. We will not see Nikon mirrorless before the first half of 2018. As a Nikon roadmap, we not ever see !

      • KnightPhoto

        Wait a sec Thom, you’ve got many of us convinced of the logic of retaining the F-mount for mirrorless, so why would they need a lens roadmap?

        • Thom Hogan

          I think it’s probably now too late to do it that way. Moreover, we’re talking about a DX type mirrorless, so even if they retain the mount, you still can’t match Fujifilm’s APS lens set, nor even Sony’s.

      • EnPassant

        I agree it is late. But these are predictions and neither what I think Nikon should do or want myself.
        In fact, since I several years ago realised wide angle primes for APS-C DSLRs will be bigger than comparable WA lenses for mirrorless APS-C cameras I instantly stopped wishing for them and since then was of the opinion Nikon should develop a serious mirrorless DX system that unlike DSLRs could evolve into a more or less complete system for the DX-sensor.

        Although I left the window open for an early mirrorless announcement already this year the reason I think the release will not be until next year is that Nikon have had a pretty rough ride all the way back to the earthquake and floodings in 2011.

        Although we can criticize the Nikon management for many wrong decisions, especially the fundamental mistake building an ICL system based on the small 1″ sensor, they have had a rough ride.
        Nikon so to speak have been like a ship that encountered one storm after the other. The captain and his crew therefore have been occupied saving the ship rather than get it on the right course and find a safe harbour.

        Only now it seems most things are calming down enough so they can consolidate and finish most of the older projects (DSLR cameras and lenses), rest and reload the batteries to be able to make a fresh start with new projects next year.

        Is it still too late next year? Well as I said I was of the opinion Nikon should have released a DX mirrorless a couple of years ago, as they in practise stopped the development of Nikon 1. But I only have to go to myself to understand big changes takes some time.

        Looking at the competition I can’t see any system that is perfect.
        Fujifilm have grown to be the most complete system with many different cameras and lenses. But they don’t have IBIS and use X-trans which some fans love but more people find disturbing. There is also a question about their production capacity as they seem to hold back entry level products and rather sell more expensive lenses and cameras to enthusiasts.

        Sony on the other hand have a more limited system with fewer APS-C lenses and only one serious camera line (A6X00). But at least they, for a high price!, offer both IBIS and other competent technologies inside their top model.

        Finally Canon who have been very slow building their mirrorless system, holding it back to not disturb their APS-C DSLR sales.

        The MFT should of course also be mentioned. They have practically everything; Lots of cameras and lenses, best IBIS on the market and an ordinary Bayer filter sensor. Their main weakness is the smaller sensor.

        So if Nikon took a hard look at what Fujifilm have done and improved their concept I definitely think they could be very successful within a few years.
        Where Nikon can improve on Fujifilm is having more entry level lenses for more modest prices just like they have for DX DSLRs and the Nikon 1 system, and Canon have for EF-M and EF-S mounts. A standard Bayer filter sensor will be seen as a plus by many. IBIS would finally be the icing on the cake. But I have sadly no high hopes seeing that in a Nikon camera. Maybe in a Pentax mirrorless 10 years from now!

        Despite no rumors at all about a mirrorless system coming soon Nikon can of course still surprise us. We know three cameras expected to release soon have been tested. One made in Thailand and obviously a DSLR that should be either a D7300 or D820. The other two are made in China and Indonesia. Are both compacts or is one of them a mirrorless camera? Could of course be a new Nikon 1 (J6?). But hat would look like a face palm release and make me wonder if the management have their office such high up in the sky that the thin air affect their minds.

        • Thom Hogan

          Don’t disagree with most of that.

          I do disagree some with the “one storm after another” analogy. Most of what has happened and is happening was (and is) highly predictable. I wrote in 2003 that I believed ILC sales would peak in late 2011 (they peaked in 2012). Why did I write that? Because I did a household penetration analysis and applied the data I had against the known historical cases. Peak sales was a known storm.

          In Silicon Valley we learned very early on that certain techs mature at different rates, and when they mature you basically have to reinvent the product to solve new user problems. Again, a known storm.

          In 2010 I outlined to Nikon execs what I felt were the reinventions that needed to happen, including the ability to live in the social media world. Six years later they came out with a small subset of what I suggested in SnapBridge, and as we all know, SnapBridge has a ton of issues even doing that little bit.

          While everyone keeps pointing at Fujifilm as someone to emulate, I think they’ll stop doing that in a couple of years when Fujifilm also finds that they’re hitting known storms. Where Fujifilm has succeeded is in attacking the gaps where Canon/Nikon were lazy and sat on their butts. But Fujifilm is still scrambling to get all the things in their firmware that the DSLRs have had for awhile (things like Copyright message, for example).

          • El Aura

            Household penetration was a predictable ‘storm’. The rise of the smartphones less so, at least in 2003.

            • Thom Hogan

              True, though my old friend Phillipe Kahn saw it long before the iPhone in 2007. I didn’t see it until I sat on Kilimanjaro in 2007 with a brand new iPhone and a brand new cellular network around me and I was suddenly able to read the NYT in the morning and send images back to the US in the evening. Very Aha! moment.

              Still, the trick was seeing what that was going to do with how images were shared, not anything else. So not being close to the Silicon Valley culture was detrimental in seeing the rise of Facebook/Twitter/et.al.

          • EnPassant

            Well, it was late in night and I had a poetic moment! 🙂
            I agree that what happend with sales was forseable.
            I am however interested in the psychological nature of things.
            So why didn’t Nikon act better despite at least somebody inside Nikon should know what was coming?
            But this is not the first time it happens. In fact it happens all the time and in every place where humans are active.
            Most humans don’t think like logical computers. They are more or less emotional.
            Sometimes they are lucky because their feelings are correct. Sometimes they are mistaken. Which in worst case can end in a disaster.
            Many times the corporate structure can be the problem with the important knowledge not reaching those who make the decisions.
            It’s more like a rule that bosses one one level do not fully know how the level below them functions and the true influence of their decisions on that level closest below themselves.
            Now to the customers the distance is even greater. And moving information up in the chain always have been more difficult than the opposite way.
            It can also be a fight in the board room. One fraction is right and the other wrong.
            Doesn’t mean the best wins. Like in politics many have their opinions filtered through an ideology rather than logic, creating a lot of bad decisions and results.

            While the possibility to easy move images to the internet may convince some customers I think the days when a lot of system cameras were sold to people with no interest in photography except recording their own lifes and places they visit are mostly over and we are almost moving to the market before the release of the Canon AE-1. The differences are many more people on the earth and a higher percentage of those being able to afford cameras. So like before those who buy system cameras will mostly be those with a genuine interest in photography. I don’t think any camera company can do much about that development. What they can do is of course improving their cameras compared to the competition and hope many of the smartphone photographers will be interested in photography and want something better.

            Fujifilm in my eyes have the only serious APS-C mirrorless system. But as you say they are not perfect. X-trans is not loved by everybody and many lenses are a bit expensive compared to comparable Canon, Nikon and even Sony APS-C lenses. So that is actually good news for Nikon if they want to enter the mirrorless APS-C game. If Nikon for once do things right they can still build the best mirrorless APS-C/DX system. I think many are still waiting for Nikon to do that as non of the competition feels like the perfect choice as they all have their flaws. And while most people on these forums just talks and thinks about full frame cameras APS-C is where the majority of system camera sales are. Just like 35mm was the most common film format in the past.

  • Politics_Nerd

    All I want from Nikon is for the D500 to slip down to the ~$1250 grey market range in time for next year’s track and field season…

    • Fly Moon

      What’s the lowest grey-market price for D500 so far? around $1500?
      So you you don’t think shooting with this camera for a a full year worth $250?
      No offense, but that’s being cheap not smart!

      • Politics_Nerd

        Only need the 500 for track days. The D750 kicks ass everywhere else. 🙂

        • Fly Moon

          Cool. Got it

    • Allen_Wentz

      Buy now and learn the camera.

  • Have thought this for a while. If Nikon release two d850(or what ever the name) one for resolution and one for speed and every day use they will have a winner. They could release the 800 series successor with a similar body design to the d500 and have one model with the d5 sensor, possibly tweaked for low iso quality, and one with a 42 or higher sensor for res nuts. The i want a true d700 successor would be happy and the high mpx fans will be happy. Surely both cameras would sell a tonne. Where they could continue the d750 line is another matter.

    • KnightPhoto

      Yeah I’d like the “D700 successor” too

    • Neopulse

      A D700 successor? Already exists, and your definition of a successor of a D700 is different for many people. I for one found the D800/E one of them.

      • I was talking about the crowd who are not happy with the d800 not my own view. Lots of people are do not think the 800 was a direct replacement. That’s my point, with breaking the 800 line into two, one speed one res, you keep two camps happy. Nikons issue is the only way to do that is to get different body types, I think it makes sense to have one pro body type with different sensors for different uses.

  • Thom Hogan

    Bob’s answer is a little incomplete and has one slight problem.

    Canon moved from their old 500nm fab to something far smaller, I believe in the low 200’s. Which is where all those 24mp APS-C sensors with dual pixel and other on-sensor attributes are getting made. Canon no longer has a process size issue compared to the other companies, though I suspect that, like other chips, we’ll eventually see the need for smaller processes on the image sensors, too.

    Nikon does indeed have at least one full time sensor team, and I believe more than one. In many ways, Nikon has been a “pollinator” in the image sensor industry. The Aptina IP is a really good example of that (Sony licensed it after Nikon began using it). There are other plenty of other examples.

    The interesting thing I find is this: back in the early days of the century, Nikon was showing up at image sensor symposiums with their teams and presenting papers. They no longer do that (their personnel may attend such conferences, but I don’t know of a recent presentation by anyone from Nikon). I’m not sure what that’s all about. It could be that they want to keep things they discover quiet until they’re actually using them. It could be because they don’t have anything they believe is progressive enough compared to the other presentations. I don’t know.

  • KellyVanRijn

    Just switch over to Canon. I did, and couldn’t be happier.

    • Fly Moon

      I am just curious. How many Nikon mount lenses did you have before you switched?

      • KellyVanRijn

        Four, although the only one I will miss is the 17-35 2.8. I just are tired tired of Nikon’s incremental mediocrity.

        • Fly Moon

          Cool.
          I am sure it depends on what type of photography you do, but what did Canon provide you that Nikon couldn’t?

          • RC Jenkins

            Shadow noise.

        • Bob Thane

          Nikon’s incremental?

          I can guarantee you that you’ll feel the same about Canon in a year or two if you don’t already.

          • KellyVanRijn

            There is a reason that Canon outsells Nikon two to one.

            • RC Jenkins

              Toyota Corollas also outsell Ferrari LaFerraris by a higher ratio than that.

              But the D5 has some great tech–better AF, better low-light performance, and (arguably) overall better for stills than the 1Dx-ii.

              Just like with the D4, a lot of that tech is going into the next Nikons. And that’s why even ‘prosumer’ cameras like the D750 got the advanced 3D Tracking, -3EV AF, face detection, incredible DR, ISO Invariance, etc.–that outperforms the 5D-iii (and in many aspects, the 5D-IV).

              But if you need to switch systems constantly or gauge your decision based on an entire brand’s recent sales, then the equipment is not the issue.

            • John Albino

              More intelligent marketing by Canon, for one. More Mons-With-Cameras buying into Canon Rebel kits to shoot pictures of their koffee-klatch peers’ kids for free or at low cost. More fickle wedding photographers buying into the Canon ecosystem for whatever reason.

              Overall though, not necessarily because of Canon having superior quality, but perhaps because of lesser needs and wants than we Nikon users… 🙂

            • Bob Thane

              If we’re talking incremental, look at the t3i – t4i – t5i – all the same camera. Nikon did the same with the D5300 – D5500 – D5600.

              Or Nikon increments, but Canon does nothing. Canon has the 6D, Nikon brings out the D600 which is better than the 6D. Then the D610 which is better still. Then the D750 which is far better, even besting the 5DIII. Canon still hasn’t brought out anything to replace the 6D.

            • Sawyerspadre

              I would say that Canon is doing almost everything below their DSLR line better, so that can make up some volume. Also, if you are upgrading from a Canon, you will look at a Canon first. Both Nikon and Canon are making good DSLRs

            • Allen_Wentz

              Yes, but the reason is not because the ILC cameras are better.

        • Sandy Bartlett

          Canon still doesn’t have a camera that can match the D750 IQ. Think I will stay Nikon.

        • RC Jenkins

          The incremental updates have been to the entry level Nikons like the D3xxx & D5xxx series. Is that the ones you’re shooting with?

          Or do you have any specifics? Outside of these entry level cameras, in the past few years:

          The D500 came 8 years after the D300S. Major.

          The D5 came 2 years after the D4S. Major. It arguably has some of the best AF & low light performance on the market right now.

          The D7200 came 2 years after the D7100, with major changes, especially to AF, buffer, wifi, etc.

          The D750 was a new line that combined major features from Nikon for the first time…back in 2014. It was likely a response to the 5D-iii’s versatility (besting the 5D-iii in many key areas).

          Nikon has only released 3 non-entry level cameras in the past 2 years: The D5, D500, & D7200.

          Canon’s does something similar. And in total since 2015, Canon has released 11 DSLR’s. Nikon’s done 6. Do you think none of these Canon refreshes were incremental?

          I remember seeing a very interesting comparison on dpreview once:
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca24ca63a7580647a3707bca716c85f43e65ae8c81a49be2f3bb8a56a79823d6.png

          That’s two Nikons from 2014 vs. two high-end Canon cameras released 1 & 2 years afterwards, respectively. Looks like Canon needs more major updates just to catch up in this one respect.

          So what are you basing the ‘incremental mediocrity’ on?

          Both Canons & Nikons have their flaws and both make excellent cameras. They also both constantly improve and try to one-up each other–or in some cases, catch up (see image comparison).

          As of now, Nikon’s still provide excellent IQ, AF, ergonomics, price, etc., and the only real direct head-to-head comparison would be the 5D & 1DX-ii. Others have completely different schedules for a start.

        • John Albino

          I know of many long time Canon users who make the same complaint about Canon incremental updates…

        • Allen_Wentz

          When I got the D2x I saw no mediocrity. When I got the D3 I saw no mediocrity. When I got the D500 I saw no mediocrity.

          That covers the last decade, and all those cameras including the recent D500 comprise SUPERB, no incremental mediocrity to be found.

          Perhaps you just made bad choices…

    • Nikonland

      And who cares ?

    • Michiel953

      Kelly (sic!) just came by on this Nikon forum to inform us that he or she changed to Canon.

      I for one feel very relieved now knowing this.

    • Anybody who switched from Nikon to Canon and “couldn’t be happier” …was clearly not using their Nikon to its full potential.

      If you don’t push the envelope very far in certain directions, pretty much ANY camera these days will make you happy, so just pick whichever bells, whistles, or other key features are important to you, and knock yourself out.

      Personally, as someone who pushes the envelope in numerous directions, (that’s not bragging, that’s the down-side of being both a full-time wedding photographer *and* a nightscape / timelapse photographer) …Nikon is the only system that will do, for me!

  • jake337

    Df2!

  • Eric Segarra

    Is it too late already? Can Nikon afford the barrage of “so what” publicity that will accompany a mere incremental improvement to their DSLRs? I really hope that Nikon starts fighting for the lead, rather than accept as de facto their second place in this race. I’m still holding on to my D750 (although it is not getting too much use) with the expectation that it is to this model’s replacement that Nikon is looking to surprise us with a FF mirrorless. It’s delay may end up being good news after all, so I’ll wait, but not forever. Fingers crossed.

    • RC Jenkins

      Why did you buy a D750 if you want a mirrorless camera…? Just get a mirrorless camera. Also, why do you have it if you don’t use it? Are you an equipment collector or a photographer?

      I don’t care if Nikon is second place in market share. What does that have to do with the camera quality? What I do care about is that Nikon continues to offer industry leading combinations of image quality, autofocus, control, features, and price. In a DSLR.

      When Nikon releases a new mirrorless line (which should have its own mount and lenses), I’ll give it a look if I’m interested in it. But I still want my DSLR for the foreseeable future. Because I use it. I also use my mirrorless cameras. And I don’t think Nikon should get rid of an excellent, balanced camera for a whole new system.

    • The Nikon D750 weighs the SAME as a Sony A7R II with 4 spare batteries, and it’s cheaper.

      What Nikon *really* needs to do is. just start offering the features that the A7R II offers, via live view.

      In other words, gimme a D750 with 4K video, and I’d be much happier. Best of both worlds- optical viewfinder, with more on-sensor features…

  • Tom Taubert

    The Nikon 1 is dead. Long live the Nikon 1.

  • xrb

    My D810 still does all of my photography needs. I was hoping for a D750 replacement with full articulating screen with 4K video and improved live view AF for my video needs. Full-frame sensor, 4K with articulating screen will make it a killer for video and make it compete with Sony A series cams. Ofcourse AF needs to be really good with phase detect will be nice.

  • Oz Baz

    I bought the d750 after much research and testing of the various ff options and I still love that camera. Nikon (and canon) are very mature systems compared to Sony at the time. The menus are logical and there are many accessories and lenses to suite all budgets and requirements. Full frame interchangeable lens camera bodies + lenses are big and heavy even if they are mirrorless. However the Nikon d750 is exceptional value for money and really well designed. The improvements others listed below would be welcome but I am in no rush to upgrade

  • Oz Baz

    I am looking forward to a df2. I nearly bought the df but the d750 was just too good a deal. I would strongly consider a df2 as a second body.

  • Oz Baz

    How about a mirrorless camera that was a full frame rangefinder based on the Nikon SP to compete with Leica as a high margin prestige product. Alternatively a mirrorless system much like the Fuji x series but full frame with auto focus and 2 models based on the lay out and looks of the fm2n and sp respectively. The both take a new lens mount designed for mirrorless but also F Mount lenses with a Nikon made adapter which worked seamlessly with full electronic connections allowing autofocus etc.

  • flaker

    So the D810 is 3 years old, is out of production, and is set to have the replacment anounced in a few weeks…. but the buying guide still hasn’t changed to a ‘wait’?

  • Reynaldo Cisneros

    Nikon better come up with something good and soon or I just will have other settle with sony

  • TinusVerdino

    In march the Price of the D810 went op by a whopping 400 euro’s
    https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/4469652_-d810-body-nikon.html Look at the graph. So what is going on. D820 cancelled? Or is the D810 out of production and there is some problem with it’s successor? Ricoh has already reacted and is rising the price of the K-1 to €2300 (from 2100).

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