Nikon DL cameras now rumored to start shipping in March


The Nikon DL cameras are now rumored to start shipping in March. There is still no official word from Nikon, but this timeframe makes sense: to show the DL models to the press at the CP+ show in late February and then start shipping in March right before the end of the Nikon financial year on March 31st in order to get some additional revenue (I think they will need it).

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  • If they cannot ship by March, I think they should just cancel all three DL cameras and start from scratch.

    • Shutterbug

      What would they add if they started from scratch? Even after all this time the sole competition is the RX 100 V which is substantially more expensive. If anything I’d say this speaks to lack of innovation among Nikon’s peers.

      • Don’t know but they cannot release a camera two years after they announce it. People will just not buy it. The other option is to drop the price.

        • Sebastian

          Most potential buyers have no idea that the cameras were announced 2 years ago. They look for a camera, online or in a store, compare a few, read some reviews maybe, and buy one.

          • Yes, you are right about that.

        • ITN

          The DL cameras were announced 11 months ago, not 24.

          • Zainb

            They were announced 11 months ago, but they aren’t shipping today, so it will be far more than 11 months, if and when they even ship.

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          • I was talking for the case if they do not release them in March but later in 2017.

        • sly

          Hi Peter. Do not forget that people that follow closely announcements, comments on forum etc … are a small fraction of customers for this kind of product.
          Most of customers will by it from the advice of a seller or a popular website.

          • Yes, I agree.

          • vFunct

            I’m going to have to disagree with you on that.

            These cameras aren’t impulse-buy point-and-shoot cameras. They cost a lot of money, as much as a dSLR. Why would a random person buy these instead of a dSLR?

            These cameras are for people that know what they’re getting into, and do their research online on them.

            I think the market window has passed on these. They have to update it for next-gen Expeed processor features, including 24fps Raw shooting or higher.

        • Sawyerspadre

          You can’t rush a good thing. 😉

          Hopefully they are perfect, when they ship, and are a breakthrough in sharpness, usability and ability to share seamlessly.

          • Allan

            Peter,
            I think you have a competitor for your Featured Comment. 🙂

        • pjpo

          The RX100v is already 50% more expensive and is the most comparable model with PDAF. They all need a mic input and better video formats to compete with Sony.

      • David

        Canon and Panasonic both have competing cameras for everything but the DL18-50. Honestly that’s the one that interests me the most.

        • Shutterbug

          Canon has nothing with PDAF, which a very key advantage, and I am not sure about Panasonic but I don’t think they do either.

          But yes the 18-50 is kind of their trump card since nobody else offers anything like it.

          • David

            Sorry, didn’t know you were speaking specifically about the AF system. Yes the phase AF system could be a big selling point. Not sure about the Canon system, but Panasonic has what they term Depth from Defocus technology. It’s good, but it’s not as good as phase AF.

            • Jim Huang

              Slightly off topic:
              I wonder why they don’t put on sensor PDAF on their DSLR, but they have it on their Nikon 1 system and DL series.

            • Eric Calabros

              Costs

            • ITN

              If the embedded PDAF sensors are tiny, they don’t work well in low light. If they are large, they affect image quality, unless the manufacturer uses something like dual pixel AF like Canon. Likely Nikon isn’t satisfied with what they’ve been able to make so far in this area, so it is not commercialized in products.

            • Thom Hogan

              Cost, and it effects the demosaic.

            • pjpo

              Because on sensor PDAF is for mirrorless. A DSLR uses a mirror to transmit light up to the focus module, not the sensor. What I can see them doing is to begin using it like Canon’s dual pixel where it is used with mirror lock up for live view shooting & video. For this, I agree that it has a strong use. Reasons against adding sensor PDAF would be cost/complexity and slightly decreased ISO performance. Sony can’t even get their adapters to fully work natively with sensor PDAF and DSLR lenses. There must be software complications. Otherwise, having a DSLR with mirror lockup and sensor PDAF gives the best of DSLR and mirrorless bodies in one.

            • Thom Hogan

              Sony RX100V has fast PD focus, the Panasonic has nearly as fast DFD focus. The question is whether the DLs will match that or exceed that.

            • David

              DFD is nice but still has issues in lower light that wouldn’t phase a phase system (sorry couldn’t resist).

        • Thom Hogan

          If you’ll recall, I pointed out when the DL’s were announced that the 18-50 was going to be popular, but Nikon didn’t think so. Even to the point where I did a quick survey on this to prove it. At this point, maybe someone in Tokyo has figured out that the 18-50 is their primary ace in the hole at this point. If it weren’t for that model, the DLs would effectively be RX10 and RX100 (and the Panasonic equivalents) years after the competition, with little to show for that.

          • David

            I seem to recall the survey, pretty sure I voted.

            I have an m4/3 system to go along with Nikon gear and use the Pan 7-14mm* a lot. I tried a Pan LX100 and Sony RX100. Neither had “something” worth hanging on to them for since I had m4/3 gear as small and/or as capable. I think the DL 18-50 would have the “something” with the 18mm end.

            *for those that don’t know m4/3 is a 2x crop so that’s 14-28mm eq.

            • Pat Mann

              We got the Panasonic ZX100 for a trip when we realized the Nikon wouldn’t be delivered in time. Our experience so far indicates it’s a pretty good little camera for someone who hasn’t taken pictures since a long time ago using the Nikon FM with 35-105, because everything digital offered for a replacement was too heavy or too slow and/or had a poor EVF. This one met minimum requirements and has pretty dependably produced usable shots.

            • David

              Agreed, the ZS100 fills a niche much like the DL 18-50 would. Its the only 1″ sensor option with well over 100mm zoom that you can slip into a pocket.

          • pjpo

            I don’t recall, but I know I felt like I was jumping and yelling and waving to get attention to the 18-50. The range I shoot with (17-35 +50mm) in a small body, stabilized, and fast aperture. I find it a dream for travel, camping/outdoors, realtors, etc. The 1’s 18-35 is regarded very well, so I expect this is of similar design.

        • Diversity for Israel

          Yep. For people who don’t care about AF there are nice competitors to be found in other brands – except for the 18-50.

          • David

            I’m not sure care is the right word. I think many of the buyers of the RX100 series probably didn’t give contrast vs phase AF much of a thought. Many were more than likely upgrading from other P&S cameras so didn’t see / notice any difference.

      • Pat Mann

        That extra price on the Sony gives you built-in EVF, which these cameras should have had from Day 1. Other than that, these cameras are very well designed and specified. The failure to include EVF within the body means they are far less pocketable in usable form, but everything else about the descriptions and what I would expect in use indicates they could be excellent take-everywhere tools. I am still ready particularly for the 18-50 equivalent model. I would expect the EVF to be included in a special deal a little after intro to help sell these cameras to enthusiasts rather than just newbies who don’t understand that they need the EVF to make the camera useful to take pictures in daylight.

        • Diversity for Israel

          No, no and no. You continue this EVF circlejerk all you want but that won’t make it a truth. The DLs are perfectly fine without an EVF.

          • Pat Mann

            Fine for you, unacceptable for me. Neither of us is everyone.

      • Diversity for Israel

        Yeah, specs are still fine. But a price drop is in order.

      • 247th

        Beg to differ that the RX100mkV is the only competitor. The Canon GX9, GX7, and GX5 are fine cameras. The GX7mkII is Canon’s most popular advanced P&S. They feature 1″ sensors and touchscreen goodness.

        • scum

          You realize that G9X and GX9 is a different thing, right?

      • Federico Zaza

        More expensive but with better features and an integrated viewfinder.

    • sickheadache

      Peter. Poor lil Peter…this is the net..everyone lies.

    • pjpo

      No need to be all new from scratch, but they’re getting to a point of needing to implement some upgrades already. There is already a VERY significant savings on the DL line over the RX. As for those that keep talking about the fiddly gimmick of an EVF on the RX100, I respectfully disagree and would rather have savings and the option to use the external one or not. So many are used to shooting with their phones, and I don’t see people clamoring for an EVF on a phone.

  • Will they remain as originally announced or do you expect any tweaking of the specs?

    • Kiboko

      I hope at least they upgraded some of the interior … like firmware (easiest), CPU and sensor …

    • doge

      doubtful.

      • What is doubtful? That they remain unchanged or that the specs will be upgraded?

        • doge

          spec tweaking is doubtful.

          That’s not something Nikon does.

          • Oberoth

            What have they been doing though if not correcting/improving something? What’s been the best rumour for why they are so unexpectedly delayed?

            • doge

              There was some sort of circuitry problem. And the earthquake wiped out 1″ sensor production facility.

            • At that point I think there is more than that – it has been almost a year.

            • doge

              Maybe they canned the team responsible for the DL series and they aren’t sure what to do with it.

            • Thom Hogan

              I don’t. I think Nikon’s explanation and the quake add up to the current delay. At least as long as they launch in Q1 2017.

              Remember, the original target ship date was 6/2016. A 3/2017 ship is really only a nine-month delay from original plans.

            • DLynch

              Remember, since they were announced in February 2016 and still no confirmed ship date has been given by Nikon, I’d say it’s a long time.

            • Actually the original shipping date for the DL cameras was April:
              https://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/23/nikon-dl-and-coolpix-cameras-pre-order-options.aspx/

            • Sawyerspadre

              Hopefully hit the spec they publish, be sharp, reliable, intuitive and with a version of a Snapbridge that works.

            • Thom Hogan

              That would be nice. But that last part probably won’t happen ;~).

            • Thom Hogan

              If the delay was solely because of a semiconductor chip, most of the team would have moved on to designing other cameras. It’s only a small subset that would need to test and re-integrate the firmware, if necessary.

    • sickheadache

      Yes i heard these wonderful cameras will come with, 8mp to a whopping 10mp.

    • Ads

      Doubt there will be significant tweaks – Nikon just updated their website with a bunch of new info on specs – they wouldn’t have done that if they were going to change them…

      • I think they updated it back in November/December because they were expecting to start shipping in January. This will most likely not happen. I think they ran into a new problem.

        • Eric Calabros

          as Thom said January was a bit soon considering status of Sony sensor production. and as you said they probably delayed another month for financial reasons.
          Both Panasonic and Canon are using old 1 inch sensors, I guess if DLs come to the world finally, they’re equipped with new generation of these sensors. Quality is not something that they can add to spec list.

    • Thom Hogan

      The recent updating of the DL Web pages says they’ll have the original specs.

  • March which year?

    • Thom Hogan

      While I appreciate the sarcasm, the DL wasn’t going to ship in March 2016. It was planned to ship in June 2016.

    • Jaroslav Charvát

      I think some time there will be something like “Captain’s log, startade 41850.18: We have been searching the Alpha quadrant for quite some time now, but there is still not trace of the Dee-El Nikonium…”

  • valdazis

    After all the DL appearing odyssey as a self respecting Nikon customer and potential buyer I’d expect by minimum:
    1. APS-C
    2. EVF
    3. 4K
    4. Proper WIFI connection.

    But I doubt they will properly execute a single one out of these four.

    • MonkeySpanner

      I know for sure it will not be aps-c.

    • Shutterbug

      How is sensor size a “minimum requirement”? The 1″ sensor market is an extremely popular ‘sweet spot’, and a lot of people don’t want anything larger, myself included. Why not just go all out to full frame? It would be even larger and $3,000 but what the heck.

      We already know it has 4K, WiFi, and an optional EVF so…..

      • valdazis

        After all this waiting??? Of course Nikon should’ve roll out a full frame by now! That’s why it is a minimum requirement. BTW, optional EVF…? Snapbridge..? Are you serious…? Wake up!

        • Sawyerspadre

          The full frame Mirrorless is a completely different price level. A full frame Mirrorless, would be nice, but I would bet we will see a DX Mirrorless before we see a full frame. If we see a full frame it will be $3000.

        • Thom Hogan

          I see. So the longer the wait, the larger the sensor should be? Maybe the DLs will be medium format, then. If we wait long enough, they’ll be large format and we can all imitate Ansel Adams.

          • valdazis

            I am not an expert at corporation strategies, but just an upset customer and obviously blowing things out because of decisions made on these products especially 18-50.
            On the other hand I’m naturally expecting a progress: ok – leave the sensor, but some common issues needs to be solved: if it’s Snapbridge – it needs to work. If its 4k – it should not be 15fps and so on, as someone mentioned about snappier and better responsiveness etc.
            I have a bad feeling that let alone the specs, Nikon will reprice the 18-50 due to it’s unique optics in this product segment. As when Nikon announced it, everybody realised what a great little gem it might be.

      • dredlew

        The Nikon 1 sensor/processing was not very good quality-wise. However, they did show that they can get amazing quality from a APS-C in small form factor with the Nikon A. Since the DL cameras are not ILC’s, they could’ve easily opted for a better quality sensor.

        I sure hope they have improved the quality on the 1″ setup in the meantime but it’s unlikely to match the Nikon A. They already had a winner with the A, the only thing that needed improvement there was the AF. I would think that would have been an easier task than getting a 1″ on part with APS-C.

        • ITN

          Increasing the sensor size would require a complete redesign of the camera including lens and make it much larger. Also it is doubtful that the high fps and AF features would be available on a DX compact camera. The Coolpix A (with DX sensor) takes a very long time indeed to focus. Nikon 1 J5 image quality is fine and this should be better given that the lens and sensor optics can be optimized for each other.

          • dredlew

            They should have used a DX sensor for the DL from the start, not during the delay period. There wouldn’t have been that much of a size difference, when you look at the competition from Canon & Sony. We’ll see about that quality, if and when they finally decide to release it.

        • Thom Hogan

          This seems to be a rewriting of history. When the Nikon 1 appeared, it was well above quality expectations for the size. Indeed, some of the things that were being used in that Aptina sensor were so important that Sony licensed them, and now they’re in the Sony 1″ sensors.

          The J5 seems to match or better the Sony RX processing, so we can’t say that Nikon got worse over time, either.

          • dredlew

            I had the J5 and the quality was inadequate, both for the price and the fact that it came from Nikon. The DL Series seems more geared towards serious enthusiasts and pros, that’s why I said I hope they have improved on the quality.

            • MiK Images

              What does it mean “inadequate”? Compared to… ?

            • dredlew

              Inadequate is of course relative, it was certainly for my needs and expectations. While the line is geared more towards consumers where it may be perfectly fine, there was also the notion of getting enthusiasts & pro’s into the fold with the two different models V & J, the higher end lenses and accessories.

              Again, depends on ones use-case but if you have a certain level of expectation of quality, then the 1″ sensor does not live up to those standards. And as I mentioned, Nikon had an excellent sensor with the Nikon A in a small form factor and could have made an ILC mirrorless but the chose speed over quality. Whether that was the right choice is debatable. As far as I know, the Nikon 1 sold ok but it wasn’t a hit. Yet many pros were hoping for a small ILC mirrorless and I think their expectations were not met.

              The DL series seems to be next shot at reaching the enthusiasts & pros but if there haven’t been significant improvements in quality since the J5, it will fail again to really reach that segment.

          • EcoR1

            Umm. No. Nikon J5 is behind Sony RX100 V in every single category measured by DXOmark as every single older Nikon 1-model has been when compared to RX100 model released around the same time.

            • Spy Black

              I didn’t see any difference in the sensor between the J5 and my J4 in comparison shots I did, although everyone claims there is.

              Despite that the camera has other traits I find make up for it. Speed is the primary one. My RX100 III takes too long to be ready to shoot after it has been sitting in my pocket for a while, which is what these cameras are typically doing in their normal use, sitting around and waiting for a shot.

              The J4 (and I would assume also the J5) can start, take a picture, and shut down in the time it takes my RX100 III to be ready to shoot. The RX has caused me the loss many a fleeting shot.

              Autofocus is another weak point in my RX. It just sucks, period. I’ve heard that this issue has been addressed in newer RX models, but I personally can’t say. Dunno about their startup times either. Autofocus on the N1 series is well-known for it’s speed and accuracy.

              The RX is also surprising fragile, which you wouldn’t think considering the all-metal construction and whatnot. Metal is actually the worst material to make a compact out of. I’ve dropped my RX twice, less than 3 feet to the ground each time, and both times the camera was toast. I’ve dropped every other compact I’ve ever had, including the J4, and I’ve just picked them up and kept on going. Sadly the DL series also appears to be an all metal design, although I’m not entirely sure.

              So although Nikon sadly crippled the shit out of the N1 system and seemingly went out of their way to make sure they would fail, they do have their good points.

            • Michel Savage

              Agreed with RX being fragile. My RX100 stopped working after 11 months, apparently due to humidity or dust or something. Sony would not fix under warranty. Got it fixed elsewhere, and after 2 weeks, broke again. Lens would not retract. I dropped my Fuji (all metal) XE-2 from 2 meters onto concrete. Not a dent, nothing.

            • Thom Hogan

              Non-sequitor. Stop being a Sony fan-boy and try to follow the arguments.

              And before you go all in with using DxOMark as your proxy for IQ, note that DxOMark doesn’t measure the actual processing of an image, which was part of the original comment. Then there’s the issue with the difference in how ISO values are actually constructed by Sony versus Nikon.

              Cling to your need to make Sony the “winner.” It’s not the point of this thread, however.

            • Yes, he is a well known Sony fanboy and he will trash anyone who doesn’t praise the brand. #sonypolice

    • doge

      DX sensors would pretty much guarantee these to be a success. No chance of Nikon making that a reality with these cameras.

      • valdazis

        Of course man. I’m just riffing. It’s probably gonna come out with 18 months old specs, I’m just wandering what is going to be the pricing of these cameras.

        • doge

          Same price as when they were announced a year ago. DL18-50 $849.85, DL24-85 $649.95, DL24-500 $999.95.

          • valdazis

            You think it’s a fair deal?

            • doge

              They’re priced competitively within their respective markets. Now if I think it’s a fair deal is a different story. But, no, I don’t think they’re worth that much. But Nikon always overprices their new stuff and then has significant deals on them later in the year.

              I wouldn’t buy any of these out of the gate.

            • valdazis

              Agree.
              In the meantime I’d probably wait on Fuji’s traidoffs.

            • Sawyerspadre

              The images will tell you if they are a fair deal.

            • sickheadache

              I will pass on these delightful cameras…that no one has seen or used…but they want to order…

      • David

        Actually about the only thing it would guarantee is that the DL 24-500 would be bigger than the P900.

      • Ads

        I’d buy a DX 18-50 equivalent in a heartbeat – something tells me it will never happen though 🙂

      • Thom Hogan

        It would also guarantee that they’d be bigger cameras ;~).

        • Ads

          Totally fine by me Thom – it would still be a more compact carry than a DX DSLR, and for landscapes and the like the AF would be more than adequate.

          Think it may wreck DX DSLR sales though so its unlikely 🙂

      • Pat Mann

        1-inch is a sweet spot for camera/lens size with this set of zoom ranges. APS-C would give you a much larger combo for any of the fields of view offered in these cameras. APS-C ceases to be pocketable once you put a 3x zoom on it.

        • scum

          Man, I wish there’s news on Coolpix A successor, maybe with a bit of zoom and weather proof… would be my choice for street shooting

      • Espen4u

        The lens would’ve been bigger with DX. My guess, bigger than pocket-size.

      • Andrew

        Nikon does not have to make the DL cameras with DX sensors, that would ruin their form factor. The Nikon A replacement (if released) would do the job for a DX requirement unless they are betting on moving consumers to the compact Df 2 full frame camera when released, though it will come at a price premium. But I do not see that line of thinking 😉

        I think if Nikon makes significant improvement in the DL cameras ISO performance (think D500), that would partially mitigate the smaller sized 1-inch sensor.

        Could Nikon come out with a series of Nikon A cameras featuring DX sensors? That might be a costly undertaking to have too many different camera models across their entire product line. And besides, the D5000 and D3000 series cameras will be under a lot of pressure, not to mention the loss in DX lens sales. And then when you add the D7300, Nikon would have too many cameras with DX sensors.

    • Davo

      They could do APS-C versions concurrently but the body undoubtedly will grow in size. Maybe LX100 sized or similar but if it had a built-in EVF I think it’d be quite acceptable.
      Too bad they used the DL as the name. Should have named it CL. Then the APS-C version can be called DL’s and eventually full frame sensor versions called the FL.

  • MonkeySpanner

    I am disappointed at the long wait. Almost pulled the trigger on the rx100 several times. But I think these will be better. I am already used to pp Nikon raw files, so the workflow will be the same.

    • Stefan Hundhammer

      Same here. The one thing that made me reconsider buying a Sony RX100 (mk3-5) was its user interface.

      I don’t need 4k (or video at all), but I need decent image quality – and usability that doesn’t leave me stumped with every little thing I want to change. This is where the Sonys fall short. So short, as a matter of fact, that I flatly refuse to touch any of that RX100 lineup.

  • Fly Moon

    What’s a DL camera?

    • DLynch

      Nikon 1’s redheaded stepchildren.

    • “Delayed Longtime”.

      • manattan

        LOL!!

    • MonkeySpanner

      Its basically the Nikon 1, with a fixed lens that Nikon should have made for the 1 system.

      • ITN

        Some lens designs simply cannot be made for interchangeable lens cameras.

        • MonkeySpanner

          So, an f/1.8-f/2.8 zoom for CX isn’t possible? I find that hard to believe.

          • ITN

            Each DL camera can have a sensor with microlenses optimized for its lens, and vice versa. Notice how compact Fuji X100 series’ 23mm f/2 lens is, compared to their interchangeable lens equivalent for the same sensor size.

            • MonkeySpanner

              I agree that there is no way it would be that small. But – not possible at all?

  • Aldo

    Found a coolpix A for 80 dollars and I couldnt pass on it… I was hoping to cancel my preorder of the DL but the fixed lens seems so limiting for family photos (along with the slow AF) that I will end up selling it.

    • silmasan

      Where? New/refurb/used/stolen?

      • Aldo

        Used… local ad.

        • silmasan

          Bargain! Coolpix A = the only Coolpix that’s Actually cool!

          • Spy Black

            …until it can’t focus…

            • silmasan

              C’mon… it’s a wideangle lens, just eff-eight and be there!

          • They should have continued that line, it was a nice camera.

            • Aldo

              A dx mirrorless interchangeable lens system with the AF and specs of the DLs would even threaten nikon full frame bodies and effectively kill dx.

            • ITN

              No, it would not as mirrorless cameras can’t autofocus fast teles competitively in action situations and that’s a key area of interest for DX DSLRs among advanced users (D7200, D500 level). D3x00 and D5x00 are entry level cameras into the F mount system meant to get people get started and eventually upgrade to more advanced F mount lenses and cameras. They can’t be replaced with mirrorless simply because those users would then find difficulty upgrading to higher end gear within the same lens mount system since there would not be as good a variety of options as there is with F mount. So for business reasons Nikon can’t do it.

    • pedantic_brit

      I liked the files from the A so much I could live with the fixed lens even though 28mm (equivalent) is not my favorite FL – much prefer 24mm or alternatively a bit longer. I agree though about the AF – which along with the clunky ergonomics is the reason I parted with mine. I just might keep my pre-order for the DL 18-50 if it really does ship in March. I wanted it for last year’s trip. It might be in time for this year’s.

      • Aldo

        Looks like we are on the same boat. Agree the files from the A are very good. But I feel nikon almost sold us a bare sensor. Switching to video and back also makes it clunky.

        • mikeswitz

          Best 27.75 mm (equiv.) I’ve ever owned.

      • MonkeySpanner

        I have a CpA – and I like the files a lot too. Like you, 18mm on DX is not my fav. Not really wide enough to be interesting, and not long enough to get into wide portrait territory (which I think starts around 23 mm). But the CpA is so good it was hard to pass up for $350 refurb.
        And I am drooling over the 18-50 DL. It would be a unique product.

    • Tieu Ngao

      I paid about $500 in 2014 for the Coolpix A when it was on sale at half of the original price. I’m still using it and I really like its IQ (fixed lens without AA filter and optimized for the camera) – better than my previous D7000. I agree that the AF is suck!

      • Stefan Hundhammer

        Coolpix A better IQ than the D7000? Who are you trying to fool?

        • Thom Hogan

          Nobody. I’d agree. But part of that is that there is no 28mm equivalent DX prime lens ;~).

          • Sawyerspadre

            You forgot Buzz, Buzz

      • AKH

        There are 2 settings for AF on the Coolpix A. If you use the right one it is perfectly fast.

    • $80 is a good price, do they have more? 🙂

      • Aldo

        It was only one sold by a private party Im afraid.

        • Spy Black

          Didn’t you want to sell it? Here’s your customer. 🙂

          • Aldo

            What would you give me for it? Money will go towards the dl..

            • Spy Black

              I didn’t mean me LOL.

            • Aldo

              Oh lol… it just sold anyway. Had it on ebay

        • I see, thanks.

    • Kyle

      That is a good deal, I’ve thought about selling mine for $250.

    • David

      I’ll take it off your hands if you’re interested!

  • silmasan

    DL Nukem Forever!

  • James

    Would any of the dx of fx lenses work on this?

    • Sawyerspadre

      No, the lens is fixed on the camera, not interchangeable.

    • Spy Black

      You want a Nikon 1 camera with an FT-1 adapter for that. Give full frame lenses a 2.7 crop factor, so you can take shots like I did with my 300mm (810mm equivalent) like this… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cda12fe6e79b075f14e7dd20d8b873041d7d967ab669683b2b390ff837b0cad6.jpg

      • Aldo

        This almost looks fake.. beautiful shot…outlined buildings would have put it over the top but THANK YOU for not pulling the shadows

        • Spy Black

          Although I did open this somewhat, pulling shadows is NOT an option on the J4. Surprisingly however, pulling highlights is. So typically you want to overexpose and then dial it back down for best results.

          I didn’t have that luxury in this shot tho, because the moon moves rapidly at rise, so you need as fast a shutter speed as you get away with.

    • Stefan Hundhammer

      Did you even read any of the available material on those cameras?

  • Tieu Ngao

    These DL cameras could be hot products 1.5 years ago but it’s no longer the case, and there are many potential customers who’ve got disappointed because of the long wait. Nikon needs to fix that by upgrading the specs to make these DL better than the competition, and how about a free EVF to sweet the deal?

    • Exactly my point.

      • Thom Hogan

        Define “hot.”

        My guess is that the 18-50 will sell out quickly, go on back order. The other two models will sell okay, certainly not much worse than a Sony RX100V and RX10III.

        • DaveyJ

          Personally I am still interested in the DL 18-50 equivalent. Always for me though I have to ask……how is it any much different than a D3300 or. D3400 with a 18-55 kit lens, which then can use my new 70-300Nikor AF-P DX VR lens? Called Nikon call center again today, still no Hood in 77 for the lens?
          I would almost have to personally see and hold a DL 18-50 equivalent. But I myself THINK I’d be OK with that sensor size.

          • Alphaios

            it’s 18-50 full frame equivalent not dx… its like a 12-35mm for your d3300

            • DaveyJ

              Alphalios: Thanks! Despite the fact that I am very used to format conversions…..as I shot in formats from 2 1/4, 4×5, 8×10, 10×30(custom built), 6×17, etc. I NEVER realized that the equivalent was for FX 35 mm not DX35mm, so my calculation was way off…..not even sure why I made that blunder. Therefore the 12-35 wide angle appeals MORE to me, as I do shoot a lot quite wide. I like 10-35 mm a lot on D500, D7200, D3200 etc.! So,I will continue tracking the DL 18-50 equivalent. I know many have written it off completely, not me! Might make a very convenient field rig. Now to find out its size as a carry camera compared to the D3400 types? Certainly NONE of these are pocketable cameras like a Small Coolpix?

            • David

              Late to the party, but there’s no such thing as DX35mm.

              These cameras are definitely sized to maybe fit in a jacket pocket but more likely (obviously necessary for the 24-500) carried on a strap.

        • EcoR1

          It partly depends if Sony introduces RX100VI and RX10IV soon 😉 In that case expect reduced prices for some older RX-models.

    • Ads

      They are going to have to offer some kind of sweetener if they are going to be a success.

      I have an awful feeling Nikon wont though, and these things will flop. There may be some Nikon 1-esque fire sales in our future if thats what they do…

    • MonkeySpanner

      The 18-50 is unique. No one else offers a compact 1″ wide solution. Could be a boon for Streeters.

    • ITN

      The specifications are still relevant and the samples show very nice image quality (especially the highlight shadow transitions and contrast suggest the lenses in DL24-85 and DL18-50 are of high quality). The user interface appears normal and not the convoluted Nikon 1 “how to make everything difficult for a photographer” interface. I haven’t been waiting for these cameras but now I’m interested and may buy one if it comes to market. I don’t want an EVF and don’t want to subsidize it involuntarily.

    • MB

      Developing a camera is pretty expensive, and there are 3 DL models. It would be almost impossible for Nikon to just throw away that kind of money and start from scratch without first trying to return at least some of investment, especially in current financial situation. In my opinion the only viable option is make DL line more attractive to customers by lowering the price (significantly) or more likely by offering some kind of super special deals (like free flash, leather case, lens hood etc …). Actually DL line is current enough … if Nikon announced today something similar I doubt you will be saying that it is obsolete without this unfortunate DeLays …
      It seems to me that “guilty” party is KeyMission line that some new people at Nikon marketing are currently pushing as the way to save the company so most resources have been devoted to that … I can only say that in my opinion those guys should be out of their jobs by now …

    • nwcs

      I think they could update the specs without updating them. Given how much camera control is directed by firmware Nikon could easily impress people by taking the firmware to another level. They could easily give more usability and features than were planned from the start given the delay.

      Now, I don’t expect this, but this would be how I would handle it if I were running Nikon. I’d make really sure the firmware is solid, feature rich, and maybe even include some innovative concepts and things people have asked for over the years: long filenames, luminance histogram, new firmware UI interface, etc.

      • Tieu Ngao

        Agreed. Many features can be improved with firmware at minimum cost (compared with hardware modification).

    • Shutterbug

      Can you identify competition is outside of the RX 100 V? Nothing else even comes close even after all this time.

      • nwcs

        RX10
        Panasonic LX10, LX100, ZS100, FX1000
        Canon G1 X MII, G9 X, G7 X Mark II

        Just a few that I thought of that compete with the DL series just not exactly the 18-50. Each have their strengths and weaknesses.

    • Kyle

      I would imagine Nikon will do something similar to the Key Mission special – offer EVF, flash, extra battery memory card, etc with every purchase.

    • AKH

      How do you know that?

  • Davo

    When it eventually gets released there better be none, and I mean zero problems/bugs whatsoever with the cameras. If they dropped the price and throw in some freebies I’m probably still in for the 18-50.

    • Ads

      Me too, maybe.

      When they were first announced I was thinking “take my money”, now I’ll probably wait for a few reviews, see if the early adopters are having any problems, before I decide.

      If it wasn’t for the 18-50 focal length I would have tuned out ages ago…

  • why bother. What they should bother with is a 4K shooting d810 replacement with focus peaking and zebras. STAT!

    • ITN

      Nikon’s professional DSLRs aren’t worked on by the same people who make their compact cameras so you can’t just transfer people from the DL project into making a D810 replacement.

      You can use, e.g., the Manfrotto Digital Director with an iPad as a display for video and get focus peaking and zebras. I would assume some external recorders and EVFs offer similar features.

      • Well goddam. I expected nikon to read my comment and act on it immediately 😉 (And really the d810 is too big already without having to rig it! Have you seen some of the video features of the current mirrorless crowd (GH4/5 sony 6500…) Not having those 2 is mentioned is like buying a modern car without windscreen wipers).

  • brtravel

    Two of the models don’t seem like anything too special compared to other 1″ cameras, but the 18-50 version remains wholly unique. They’ve lost out on many thousands of sales to landscape photographers and aspiring vloggers.

  • Captain Megaton

    Well, it certainly won’t be any earlier or we’d have all known by now. So sure, March if you say so. Why not, just turn the rumor clock back 1 year…

  • Marion Toblery

    I am wondering about many negative comments. No one forces anybody to wait for a new NIKON camera or to buy it. Even NIKON haters will not gain anything from an unsuccessful NIKON company. So I wish NIKON all the best along with all competitors for the benefit of all people interested in photography. Marion Toblery

    • Duncan Dimanche

      well said

    • valdazis

      Nikon has always had devoted customers that pay big money for their products. But for the last 5-6 years Nikon is literary taking a mickey out of their customers with the service and production they are providing.

    • Kyle

      I love my Nikon cameras (D750 , 7200, v1, Coolpix A).
      But in a corporate sense, Nikon treats its customers like the red headed step child, whereas Canon treats its customers to a silver spoon (seemingly) … except on the consumer side and 4K video issues. lol

      • Max

        Just curious, does your D7200 feel like a baby D750 to you?

        • Kyle

          I would say so.

  • Chaitanya

    Stupid Nikon should drop these Vaporwares already. I cancelled my preorder and got Panasonic FZ2000. With all the recent dumb lies Nikon has been telling wont be surprised to see them lose market share even more to Canon.

  • Stefan Hundhammer

    I don’t know about all you people, but I would be perfectly happy if Nikon finally delivered what they promised almost one year ago.

    I don’t need video, much less 4k.

    I don’t need a viewfinder, but it’s good for all those who need one that it is available at least as an add-on option.

    I don’t need the articulating screen, but it’s nice to have.

    What I need, though, is good image quality. And that means a very good (i.e. Nikon quality) lens and a decent sensor.

    What I also need is good usability; preferably something that handles very much like my Nikon D750 to minimize the inevitable confusion when you constantly switch between camera types.

    And this is where Nikon can make a difference with regard to the Sony RX100 series. Try it; go to a camera shop and try to make sense of Sony’s idea of a user interface. However good the image quality of the RX100s may be, there is no way for me to put up with that confusing jumble of menus: Even the tiniest operation becomes a challenge. And I’ve been using other Sonys (the R1), several Canon compacts, Panasonic MFT, so I am not just too much set in the way Nikon does things.

    If it wasn’t for that, I would have bought an RX100 IV or V last summer already.

    If Nikon manages to get this right and the image quality of the DLs is on par with the RX100s, they may very well rule this market segment.

    • David

      Agreed, I tried an RX100. Nice image quality, didn’t enjoy using it.

  • DLynch

    Sad to see they are still going down this road. They should have cut their losses and moved on a while ago. I bet this group of cameras will do as well as the N1’s did. I guess in part this explains their poor financial status. Still hoping for a good mirrorless from Nikon.

  • Clubber Lang

    The Industry is changing and it’s probably a difficult situation to get a grasp on for theses companies.
    Canon is setting themselves up nicely and adapting to these trends and it appears to be paying off for them already. It’s not a matter of this is better than that. It’s a matter of what is good enough for a new market and Nikon seems like they are missing the boat and reacting too slowly and too defensively.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Yup. Nikon’s arrogance has led them to zero meaningful consumer feedback. No mechanism built to provide that feedback. Ergo slow and/or wrong direction, sales-losing reactions.

      • Kyle

        Exactly, it will take a major work culture shift in order to turn the Nikon ship around. It is def headed in the wrong direction compared to Canon.

      • Clubber Lang

        It can be said that Nikon has gained a large amount consumer feedback….only it comes in the form of no sales after the product is released rather than figuring out what people want beforehand. That seems to be a problem.

  • TinusVerdino

    Are these replacing the Nikon 1 system? (as we are seeing zero development there). Nikon should make mirrorless a aps-c camera. It will sell like the Canon m5 does.

    • The last time Nikon talked about it (I think it was at the Photokina show last year) they said the Nikon 1 system is still alive.

      • MiK Images

        Also Samsung spoke ‘alive’ to the very end 🙂

        • Member

          Samsung isn’t dead just hibernating.

          • MiK Images

            Yep, “hibenating” … forever 😉

          • Tom Bruno

            Yep. Deep hibernation, as with their exploding washing machines:

  • One wonders if it wouldn’t have been smart for Nikon (as it would be for any company with this kind of product delay) to have just fessed up about exactly what the delay was about and what was being done to address it. Instead, there has been an avalanche of speculation by “camera buffs”, much of it erroneous I’m sure. Now that it’s gone on so long, those erroneous claims have taken root and Nikon may be being blamed for problems they don’t actually suffer from. Anyway, I’m not much of a video shooter, and my taste in camera features is simpler than many shooters, so I suspect these will remain interesting to me when they finally get out there. I’m sort of drooling over the 18-50.

    • Allen_Wentz

      My understanding (I am no market expert) is that compact camera sales are crashing. I do not think any of those limited numbers of folks buying compact cameras really care about why DLs are coming in 2017 rather than sooner.

  • CBJ

    Is anyone here interested in buying a DL? Just wondering.

    • sperdynamite

      Absolutely not.

    • Sean Parchem

      Nope. Happy with my Coolpix A. Except the AF:-) Well, and with the other Nikon bodies I have. I also really enjoy my RX100 m3. But I was hoping for a DX sensor in a small form factor ala the A with updated AF. That’s really all that was on my wish list. Hopefully Nikon releases 2 cameras for the 100th…..

    • Allen_Wentz

      Compact cameras were of use back when the Coolpix 990 was around, but once the D100 then D2x came out the category has been dead for me. Looking at crashing sales I would say the world agrees.

      As I want more image mostly it is pro-body competence to “get the shot” that I am looking for, so I grab the D500 and/or D3. Compact cameras (or for that matter bodies like the D6xx or D7xxx) do not make the cut for me, even though under ideal conditions they are often capable of excellent images.

      I need to handle one to be sure, but at a US$850 price point I expect that money will instead go toward a lens or a D8xx. Plus when I can tolerate a non-ILC camera the pic quality from my iPhone 7 is pretty good.

    • Pat Mann

      18-50, yes. I’m going for it once the special deal including the EVF comes out.

    • Member

      As a more compact and faster replacement for my 6.7-13mm and keep the other bodies free for longer lenses

    • Markus

      Sure, they are still amazing products to me.

    • The wide option, yes. There really isn’t anything like it on the market.

    • Stefan Hundhammer

      I am. And unlike most who commented here, it’s the “boring” DL24-85 I am interested in. Right now I still use a Canon S95 as my always-with-me camera, but that one is getting awfully long in the tooth; so much, in fact, that I find myself more and more hesitating if it’s really worthwhile to take that shot when I find myself in an unexpected photo opportunity. The gap in IQ between my D750 and my Panasonic GX1 and that S95 has just become too wide. In other words, I habe become just too spoiled with great IQ from them. 😉

      • Tom Bruno

        I had a Canon S95 for years, always with me. But that little sensor was limited. Now, I’ve got a Canon G9X. Love it! Really good IQ, very compact, great detail, very pleasing color rendition, the smallest compact available with advanced features. And half the price of the DL. I use it more than the D750 and the D800E, albeit for quite different photos.

      • Pamela Duthie

        Me too on the 24-85. Im not even a very good hobby photographer but Ive reached the limit of my L820 and want something a bit smarter without having to lug about lenses. The AF is the thing Im waiting on 😀

    • Surya Chataut

      Still have my preorder. D750 user here and I want one for the following reason. * The camera specs are still current * I don’t need EVF * I am very familiar with Nikon system/menu. * I have not really looked at other system besides Sony and since I am not in a rush I will wait just a bit longer. I really hope they took the time to make other improvements.

    • Pamela Duthie

      Yup still have my preorder and looking forward to it. For ME and what I want I still think its the best Im gonna get for the money. Still excited about it

  • LOL

    I would’ve been all over this camera 6 month ago……now I dont need it. PS. Its a software processing age now. Look at the pictures current smartphones make, some come out better then DSLR, and Snapseed has some amazing filters to top it off

    • Max

      I often look at the pictures my smartphone make. They are horrible. And no amount of software can fix it.

      • LOL

        Check out some YouTube reviews on Galaxy S7 (and soon to be even better S8) and Pixel/Pixel XL. Some users specifically compare them to DSLRs, and on some shots HDRs look better on smartphones then on DSLR

        • I have a Pixel XL and the camera is amazing, for a smart phone. It will not give results that approach what I can do with a DSLR, HDR or not. What’s more the Pixel XL quickly looses quality as the situation becomes more demanding.

          • LOL

            I am talking about basic photography, point and shoot.

            • Stefan Hundhammer

              Well, the point and shoot crowd is not exactly the target audience of those DL cameras; it’s enthusiasts and maybe the odd pro.

            • Allen_Wentz

              I disagree. Big box stores like Costco sell tens of thousands of D5xxx and D7xxx and Canon Rebels all the time at ~ $600-1,200 price points. Those buyers are not IMO enthusiasts, just point-and-shoot folks who want a decent camera.

              The DL series will fit right in there.

            • LOL

              Most amateur photographers and not really enthusiasts think the bigger the camera and the more expensive it is, and more MPs, better the photos. I mean you are not likely to see some carrying $5k+ pro DSLR, but $500-2000 bucks is pretty common I would say. And those point and shoot exactly the same as current smart phones (some pictures better some worse).

            • Stefan Hundhammer

              Since the DL cameras are not released yet, any speculation about their image quality is just that — speculation. Why not simply wait for the first serious reviews before making completely unfounded claims like “exactly the same as current smart phones”?

            • LOL

              I haven’t said a word about unreleased DL cameras….

        • Max

          Wow. Thanks for letting me know. I’m gonna ditch my ilc’s and gear right now and get an iPhone with a tiny little sensor and a selfie stick. I’m sure the dynamic range from the iphone 7 files are gonna blow the D800 out of the water.
          Not to mention all the manual controls of the iphone.
          It is going to take my photography to the next level.
          I’ll be standing next to the sports field at rugby world cup with my iPhone soon, rubbing shoulders with 1DX’s and D5’s soon.
          If they dare laugh at me I’ll just tell them to go look at the youtube videos that say the iphone pictures look nicer now and I don’t even need a tripod (I just mount it on my selfie stick) .

          • LOL

            Read below….BASIC POINT AND SHOOT PHOTOGRAPHY was compared

            • Max

              ok cool i get it

          • tonkotsu

            No amount of equipment will make up for your lack of skill and poor attitude.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Max, you need to buy a flagship smartphone like an iPhone 7 or (next fall) 8 or a Galaxy S7 or (coming) S8. Ever since the iPhone 4s the image competence has been reasonable.

        However before the iPhone 4s (and on most of the hundreds of low end phones running free unsupported Android) image capture was/is a waste of time.

        • pedantic_brit

          I have a Nexus 5x and in general only use the camera to take notes as I detest the ergonomics (or lack thereof) of phones as cameras. Occasionally though I do use it in lieu of a “real” camera and have found the lens and sensor to be ok and the metering exceptionally good – especially for tricky scenes like our community swimming pool just after sunset – underwater lights, overhead flood lights and a stormy sky.

        • Max

          I walk around town during my lunch breaks almost everyday and shoot with a new P9. It’s lots of fun and I have made some compos I’m quite happy with, as I did with an S4 before this phone.
          I like how eveything is in focus, how discreet it is and the nice contrasty punch I’m getting. In a way they are the best street cameras.
          However, every time the Samsungs and iphones get updated you have people saying “ooo it’s now bordering on dslr iq!”, and neither my P9, nor my wife’s iphone 6 can touch even my PEN F.

  • Carleton Foxx

    Finally! Even though they’re so late, I can still see myself buying a pair of these—the wide angle and the telephoto versions to shoot events.

  • AKH

    Hurray. Finally. Looking forward to the reviews and maybe going on a trip to the camera store to try one.

  • decentrist

    Sonoma Rumours, whine country

  • Lcky

    Sony A6300 for $800 +/- with any small/large/fast lens I want.. Its 2017

    • Fly Moon

      Apple and oranges!

  • Verco

    I feel like these DLs have been the only nikon news for the last 12 months

  • phyz

    A camera designed in 2015 with specs locked in February 2016 might ship in March 2017. If I wait for an as-yet-to-be-announced RX10 IV, I think I’ll be shooting before the DLs hit the street.

  • zzzxtreme

    over $800 for the 18mm version without EVF is pretty hard to swallow.

  • Paul Rumohr

    Nikon, pull your crap together and release the DLs.

    • I’m sure a memo went out, now, and they’ll be right on it. 🙂

      • Paul Rumohr

        I’m getting embarrassed to say that I like Nikon

        • I get it, I wonder about them as well. But, they still make the best DSLRs. They still make incredible lenses if you want a true artistic lens that delivers images that have great color and character. Sigma can use the phrase “art series” all they want. They are very sharp lenses with…no soul. Nikon is still a great brand and company. They are not a great consumer company. *sigh*.

  • Emil Pierre

    I have conversed with one of the larger online stores in northen europe and they verify that their preliminary date of 2017-02-06 is correct and they should have the DL-15-50 without EVF by then. https://www.dustinhome.se/product/5010946215/dl-18-50

  • Michiel953

    The suspense is killing me…

  • kahiri78

    And Fuji just released XT-20 and X100F while Leica releasing their M10…Yet we are still waiting and waiting for this DL model. Sometimes I pity Nikon loyal users-including myself…Nikon better make it right first time when DL starts to ship. Hopefully no dust.shutter problems like their big brother D600/D750

    • MonkeySpanner

      Yup. The d5600 should have been the xt-20. Yes I know it would get a new model number. But Nikon wasting development effort for marginal upgrades – why? Do something bold.

  • MonkeySpanner

    I gotta say, if you are not into multi-thousand dollar pro cameras, Nikon has been pretty boring. I mean we have had the same d3000, d5000, d7000 series for how long now? The 1 series was nice, but had a terrible sensor and bad lens support. It is time for something new from Nikon. And not the DL, which might be nice but isn’t a system camera. So – will 2017 be the year?

  • they actually did not say anything – those are just rumors

    • Paul Rumohr

      Excellent point. Then I will amend my comment to state that the rumor doesn’t even say what year.

  • dwj6211

    To be completely honest, I am (would have been) a first time Nikon consumer, I’ve had my eye on the DL24-85 since it’s announcement. I’ve watched Sony, Panasonic and Canon announce, launch and relaunch several models within the time the DL24-85 was announced. I have empathy and feel bad for the victims of the earthquake and a camera is secondary to the devastation suffered in Japan… however, what I don’t have empathy for is a manufacturer deceiving consumers and making excuses for shipment delays. I’ve reached out several times to Nikon for information, and all I’ve gotten is “sorry for the delay, please subscribe to our email list for breaking news and launch information”. In my honest opinion regardless of the cameras specs, there are and will be competitor cameras that easily match up…. ultimately I cancelled my preorder and I am quite pleased with my new Canon g7x II, I decided to purchase instead.

  • Carl Berger

    I’ll be the broken record for DL18-50 and DL24-85: “Why no built-in EVF? Please give us an in-line EVF, Nikon.”

    I’ll take a decent in-line EVF any day even if that means a dinky or non-existent screen.

    Broke down and pre-ordered the DL18 anyway. It’s going to be sharp to the corners at some usable aperture (my bet anyway). Really want a crisp super-compact super-wide. This will be the only game at all.

    I can wait until March-April.

  • they already changed it…

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