More Nikon mirrorless camera talk

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Nikon mirrorless camera concept

The online chatter about a new Nikon mirrorless camera has definitely increased in the past few weeks, but I still have nothing interesting to report. Either Nikon is keeping this new camera under very close supervision, or the official announcement will not take place at the Photokina show in September - both are a plausible scenarios. The only specification we know for sure is that the new camera will have a "large sensor". Some older rumors also suggested F-mount, but for now I cannot even confirm that. There could be two different models announced at the same time - one prosumer and one professional.

A new Nikon digital camera was just registered at the at the Indonesian communications agency:

New-Nikon-digital-camera
See also my last "what to expect" post from few weeks ago.

If anyone has a clue what the new Nikon mirrorless camera will be, you can contact me anonymously here.

Nikon mirrorless camera concept credit: Al

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  • TO-DOUG

    Maybe this will present an opportunity for Nikon to make it a true 1″ sensor. (The current one is called 1″ only because that was the diameter of the old video tubes that contained this small sensor.) Assuming the larger N1 sensor actually has a 1.7 crop factor, and given that the FF sensor is 24×36 mm, that means the new and improved N1 sensor would be about 14×21 mm. What is the diagonal of that rectangle? Well, that would be 25 mm, which is… one inch!

  • EvilTed

    Unless it is manual focus 🙂

  • Kyle

    Hmmm Nikon going to a larger sensor would be interesting.

    I bought a Panasonic GH4 w/ 14-140mm lens a couple weeks ago and am really impressed with it. It may even replace my V1 w/ 10-100 travel kit.

    I do shoot a 7200 and 750 that it will not replace. Lol

    If Nikon can do a cx mount slightly larger body camera with more DSLR type controls, I’d be interested.

  • EvilTed

    Nikon FF, EVF, 2x XQD, size of Leica SL, 42MP.
    Under $4000.

    Sold

    • Fly Moon

      i would buy that too

  • Davo

    For DX and smaller the camera+lens package being smaller largely holds true.
    For FX, then the flange back distance start to become less significant especially for faster primes and zooms.
    Yes, I’ve seen some of the slower pancake primes on the Sony A7 series and yes the camera+lens package in those cases are quite a lot smaller. But IMO a smaller format mirrorless with faster lens achieves the same and should come in cheaper. Which makes the new CX mount with 1.7X crop sensor rumour very interesting.
    A CX with 30mm f1.7 lens on a CX mount with a 1.7X crop sensor would be similar sized to your example.
    Which leaves FX and DX mirrorless to just use F-mount.

  • Miggy Teotico

    Im a hardcore sony user but this is really good news. More competition is a good thing. I want Nikon to step up their game and focus on mirrorless more seriously. People are embracing mirrorless and pretty soon dslr bodies will be a thing of the past. Really hope Nikon survives the transition!

    • Michiel953

      What’s a “hardcore Sony user”? You have a tv at home? More than one?

      • Miggy Teotico

        tv? this is a camera rumors site… it might mean owning and using several sony branded cameras

        • Fly Moon

          “several sony branded cameras” like what?

        • Michiel953

          “Sony branded cameras”. You hit the nail straight on the head there.

          I handled a Nikon F body (# 680…) in a shop yesterday; worked beautifully, but I wasn’t going to spend (bearing in mind I already have an F2AS, FM2n, FM2/T, FE2 and FM3a) even as little as EUR 375 on that camera, which was a Nikon, not a “Nikon branded” camera.

          Nikon is a camera company, not a branding outfit.

          • Miggy Teotico

            strange… so you’re saying Nikon is not a brand (or name whichever you prefer)?

            • Michiel953

              Please read again, now slow? “not a branding outfit”. Geddit?

      • Andrew

        I have a number of Sony large screen TVs at home, a number of PlayStation 3 consoles and 1 PS4. A ton load of headphones and professional mic. And the list goes one with many Walkman and other electronics. I am the real definition of a hardcore Sony user. Oh, and many laptops 😉

        • Michiel953

          Yes, you certainly qualify, LoL!

    • Fly Moon

      Well said. I remember a few years ago when there were rumors about Sony’s bankruptcy!

      • Andrew

        It was just rumors 😉 Japan’s debt per GDP is 229%. Imagine the entire Gross Domestic Product of the country for 2 years is less than their national debt and they are far from going bankrupt. So Sony was doing quite well with over 100,000 employees and a lot of valuable assets.

        • Fly Moon

          You do own Sony stock, don’t you? I probably would be a fanboy and defend them blindly if I owned the stock too.

          • Andrew

            I would advice you to stay out of the stock market if this is the way you reason 😉

            • Fly Moon

              That means yes 😉

            • Andrew

              The only company whose stocks I own is one that I invested in over 20 years ago. Unless you know what you are doing, I think it is better to invest in your own company which I did 😉 Oh, and I am actively engaged in product development.

              Anyway, back to your point. I am definitely a Sony fan, but not a fanboy. And there are some companies that I am not a fan of because of their long history of behaving unprofessionally or unethically. But I do not dislike any company to the point of not ever considering to buy their product if they come out with something that is exceptional. Having said that, I am definitely brand conscious from the standpoint of trust. I think I got that from my Dad who loved Leica cameras, Omega watches, Mont Blanc pens, and Mercedes automobiles. There are trusted brands whose products I am more likely to take the risk in purchasing and those include Sony, Nikon, and Yamaha among others. But I have bought Canon, Olympus, and Panasonic cameras, and yet surprisingly have never bought a Sony camera. And yet I have invested heavily in all types of Sony products. So as you can see, I am not blindly loyal to a particular brand, neither Sony or Nikon.

              But we should be careful when we use the word fanboy. A fanboy is someone that does not listen to reason and who would rather call names than argue a point convincingly. A fanboy is someone who would rather label someone else as a fanboy or by any other name than demonstrate intellectual rigor in articulating or arguing their views. A fanboy is someone whose sole purpose is to convince others than try to explore alternate viewpoints. I fanboy is someone who accuses others when they have no evidence to support their views. A fanboy is someone who thinks there is always fire when they see smoke 😉 There are times when the cloud is gray and moving swiftly, but it does not mean that there is fire in the sky!

    • Miggy Teotico

      uhm, have you heard of kodak and nokia? they were both giants some time ago. doesn’t matter how big you are. you need to innovate, compete and evolve. western digital recently acquired sandisk because of the transition from hdd to ssd. even apple is under a lot of pressure from the competition from all fronts.

      not sure why you sound hurt but i honestly want nikon to remain a big brand in the camera industry.

      • Andrew

        Nikon is innovating with the D810, D750, P900, and D500. But the lower end of the market is where most of their sales are and that was what their Nikon 1 Mirrorless cameras were supposed to address. Well it looks as if Nikon is still attacking that market which they need to do until their sales expand.

        But Nikon is a global company that is being impacted by the economic problems facing many nations which has affected consumer purchasing power. Nikon’s problem is different from Western Digital’s which is affected not only by a changing market but also by aggressive competitors such as Samsung.

        • Miggy Teotico

          thanks andrew. you made a lot of sense. does that mean consumers are spending less in general? i also wonder if the huge improvement in smartphone cameras are eating away camera sales

          • Andrew

            The smartphone market cannot eat camera sales any further regardless of improvements. Smartphones are good enough as they are and their impact will continue at the low end of the camera market. That is not to say that some surprising innovation might not come out in the future.

            Now having said that, smartphones would not wipe away the low end compact digital camera market because those compact cameras have the advantage of larger image sensors for better quality pictures in low light situations and their dedicated zoom lenses provide picture taking flexibility which the smartphones lack.

            So the big advantage that compact cameras have and will always have is being able to zoom in on distant objects because their lenses have sophisticated optics that you would not be able to fit into a slim smartphone.

            We also should take note that smartphones are introducing a lot of people to photography and so these smartphones are expanding the market. As their purchasing power improves and the economy improves, those same people will at some point want a more sophisticated mid-range camera costing between maybe $300 to $800 and so that segment of the camera market is likely to expand.

            Remember, the smartphone was introduced in 2007 and that is really a short time ago, and since then we have had major economic problems throughout the world including in Europe and the United States. And it was only recently that Greece, Italy, and Spain had what was amounting to a major economic catastrophe. And then in the past year, the major oil producers had the price of oil drop from $110 to $27. So these are all factors that people who are commenting on Nikon’s performance are not thinking about. All of the camera manufacturers are affected by the markets. So yes, consumers are indeed spending less in general.

      • Miggy Teotico

        woah. looks like you didnt understand my reply. you might want to read it again.

      • purenupe1

        I schooled you last week on this subject

    • purenupe1

      I have really begun to dislike you.

  • For me that’s too little, too late. By the end of the year I will have switched to Fuji with the x-pro2 and will only keep my old d700 with the 50mm 1.4g and my 105 1.8 ais for nostalgia reasons.

    • Andrew

      Switching to Fuji is not a bad thing so long as you are still in the photographic market. It is always a good thing to have many capable companies in the marketplace as it fosters innovation. I do remember when Nikon was making a high-end DSLR body for Fuji and its wonderful image sensor.

    • Fly Moon

      I thought people get Fuji or nostalgia reasons!!?

      • nwcs

        Some certainly do. I’ve seen plenty of comments on Fuji forums where people lust after the designs like porn. But there are plenty who appreciate the design approach and quality lenses in a smaller package. Personally I like the X-T1 type design far more than the rangefinder-type design when it comes to Fuji.

      • Ill get it because they offer a compact, well built system with not too fast and heavy glass. I’ll get the 14 2.8, 35 2.0, 56 1.2 and 90 2.0. Maybe I’ll throw an x-t2 in for shooting with longer glass. I only really use my camera when traveling and got tired of lugging a FF Nikon kit around.

  • Ian Kirk

    Ever handled the incredibly solid magnesium bodied V1?

  • Stan Dibben

    Bah. I hope this time Nikon will succeed where just failed with the Frankenstein DF. I’d stand in line for a mirrorless full frame NIKON F INSPIRED camera, even if manual focus (electronic split-screen and electronic exposure needle), but with a COHERENT design and polished menus (à la Leica). Designers and brand specialists should help engineers.

    A new manual F-Stop 50 1.4 and three other primes (21/35/85), a high priced body (3000usd), 24mpx sensor, 4K video… Boom! Success.

    http://www.leicatime.com/NikonFcaseBlackFront.jpg
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8073/8448681711_da21178e2d_c.jpg

  • Ineedmy Bobo

    Nikon has already lost the the smaller sensor mirrorless market to Micro Four Thirds, Fuji, and even Sony. Look at all of the wonderful high-quality and compact lenses that Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus have released over the past several years. If what Thom says is true (the new mirrorless push will be a Nikon 1 CX’ish update) Nikon doesn’t stand a chance. They’ll release one boring prime and three so-so kit lenses before they give up.

    I’m hoping that FX mirrorless is where Nikon wants to enter. Sony’s FE cameras are exciting, but a bit glitchy and lens lineup not all that mature yet. I’d love a camera with Nikon D810 image quality in a lighter and smaller body. And I’d love the ability to focus near the sides and corners with controls similar to the Fuji X-Pro2.

    • Michiel953

      Nikon never “lost” anything there, they, for some undoubtedly valid reason never really entered that segment.

      The small sensor p&s segment was lost to the phone camera for all manufacturers.

      • Ineedmy Bobo

        Let me clarify… by smaller… I mean M43 to DX-sized sensors. (This is NOT the small P&S segment.) If Nikon enters the mirrorless market with a new CX or DX line, it will be very difficult for them grab any market share. Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus already have that segment covered with great cameras and fantastic lines of high-quality lenses.

        If Nikon wants to succeed in introducing a mirrorless system, FX seems to be where they could compete the best. The Sony FE system isn’t quite right in so many ways.

        • Captain Megaton

          You are right. I mean people looked at the N1 lineup and the MFT lineup and didn’t see any point to going with the smaller sensor. That would not change by making the N1 sensor slightly less small.

          The funny thing is there was a good argument for N1: smaller cheaper lenses. But that only figured on the few people who were interested in changing lenses to something other than the kit zooms.

  • Alphaios

    wait till you get into an argument with an MFT shooter, who will tell you that a 12-40 2.8 Olympus lens is 100% equal to a 24-80 2.8 FF lens, but much smaller (which I know it isn’t) 😀

  • madmaxmedia

    Every sensor size has its strengths and weaknesses, the biggest problem with Nikon 1 sales was not the sensor size but their design goals for the bodies (stripped controls, high price point, etc.) It could have been an APS-C sensor size, sales would still have been underwhelming if the body had that stupid mode dial from J1-J4/V1. Even the Coolpix compact cams have better user interfaces, and they are ‘consumer’ products too.

    • What killed my enjoyment about the V1, which I got at a knock-down fire sale price, was the lack of a focus ring on the lenses, and the cheap, toylike feel they had.

      I’m planning to get a new underwater camera, and I’m considering the Leica X-U and the AW1. Rationally, the AW1 should win because it’s $800 ($500 reconditioned) versus a staggering $3,295 for the Leica. But I really, really want a camera that’s better made with nicer controls.

      Anyone here have experience with the Leica? The one thing that makes me hesitate about it, other than price, is the fact that precious few people seem to have taken it underwater … why not?

      Here’s one review from the Leica Store Miami where someone took it under water and got some nice shots. Of course this review is, perhaps, somewhat unlikely to be impartial :), but the quality of photos speak for themselves.

      http://www.reddotforum.com/content/2016/04/leica-x-u-typ-113-review-waterproof-dustproof-shockproof-a-camera-for-all-my-adventures/

      I would love to find underwater shots from someone not affiliated with Leica!

  • animalsbybarry

    Nikon needs a pro level mirrorless
    They need to build it soon before they decline as a camera company to the point of no return
    And Sony currently has major production issues as well as major overheating issues wth the A6300….
    New info will soon emerge showing the overheating issue to be far worse than people currently realize

    So the ideal time to launch a new pro mirrorless FF system is right now, ASAP as in immediately…. Before this temporary window of opportunity closes

    • nwcs

      And end up like DL. Announced and then fail to deliver. Delay, delay. In the end worse off for having announced it as another brand puts out another generation of their product that puts it on par or surpasses it.

      • Shutterbug

        Issues with earthquakes and part suppliers are largely if not completely out of Nikon’s control. Unfortunate, no doubt, but it’s hard to blame Nikon in the case of the DL delay. I will also personally be shocked if anything comes out in the next year that surpasses the DL, particularly in the AF department, since no other P&S even has PDAF yet. I still think it will do well, but time will tell.

        • nwcs

          Apparently, though, their delay was less about hardware and supplies and more about a bug in xpeed.

          • Wade Marks

            Proof or speculation? I don’t understand why people have a hard time believing an earthquake can actually delay production? Geesh.

            Also keep in mind that almost all camera companies in Japan haves said the earthquake will impact production, including Sony, which may well make the sensors for the DL series.

            The cynicism and misinformation abounds.

  • Michiel953

    Mind boggling. Vaguely.

  • Duke_Sweden

    In other news…
    Can firmware be “hacked” to change the codec your camera uses?

    Specifically Nikon. I’m not talking about tearing apart a firmware file, just opening it in a hex editor and changing the codec from h264 to, say, DNxHD. Possible?

  • looks like a leica, isn’it it??

    • Don’t forget it’s just a concept – looks to be based on an XPro1 to me.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    This has been the noisiest rumor in quite some while, hope Nikon is paying good attention to all the people’s voices.

    Sony is currently alone in the market with the A7 series and while they are doing a terrible job at it (bad ergonomics, bad colors, bad RAW implementation, bad and expensive lens lineup, boring industrial design, all places where Nikon whoop competition’s ass) they can’t keep them on the shelves because people can’t get enough of what they are doing right (IBIS, 4K, high ISO performance, wide DR, compact and light bodies). This is where Nikon will find their next “paradigm shift”: back in the late 50’s it was turning people en masse from Leica rangefinders and their copycats to Nikon’s futuristic F SLR system, it’s time now to turn people from big, heavy OVF DSLRs to slim, light LV EVF bodies. Nikon is good at perfecting what’s on the market, that’s how they leapfrogged everybody else with the F: they amalgamated the best ideas out there into one indestructible tank, it’s time Nikon repeated the same feat with the mirrorless scene. I just hope Nikon doesn’t remove the video capabilities like they did with the Df.

    • Allen_Wentz

      OK but just keep the tank part.

  • Max

    looks yummy

  • TO-DOUG

    I am a scuba diver and Nikon owner for decades. I don’t do UW photography, but note that the Leica “X-U is rated for a maximum depth of 15 meters (60 feet) for up to 60 minutes, making it ideal for shallow dives and snorkeling.” So if you just want to play around in the shallow end, this would be fine.
    But if you are planning on taking pictures any real distance underwater, the Leica is not sufficient. Most recreational scuba divers go down to 30 metres or more. Even if you don’t plan on going that deep, what happens if you drop it and it goes down in 20m deep water? What will your be retrieving? There is also the risk of damage. Water leaking into an UW camera can totally ruin its electronics. You might prefer to destroy a Nikon AW1 than a $3,300 Leica. An finally, the underwater environment is rather compromised for photography, due to reduced light, silt in the water, etc. You might be better off spending less money and getting proper gear that would include UW flash units.

  • wincros

    I don’t see any advantage in keeping the CX mount if the sensor size changes. Why would anyone want to use existing lenses that would not cover the sensor? And if the Nikon 1 is to be dumped then there is no point in making new lenses backward compatible. The D500 should have been the flagship mirrorless for Nikon including an adaptor for existing lenses. Then gradually change over the rest of the DX line.

    • purenupe1

      Why an adapter? If the D500 had a new and different mount then it would likely have been crippled by the lack of lenses right now and the reviews wouldnt be as favorable

    • Davo

      Mirrorless for a D500 that is aimed at the tele crowd using large lenses? Making a D500 body thinner doesn’t gain you much with the target market, probably making it worse and adding an adapter just increases error margins.
      The advantage of the D500 over mirrorless systems is the AF system and its OVF. Going mirrorless for the D500 is the last thing they should be doing.
      Mirrorless is more appropriate in other models, not the sports and wildlife orientated D500.

      • Paul Johnson

        The big advantage for me, as a wildlife shooter, is not having that mirror slapping around. I shoot the D500, and my favorite lens is my 800mm. Anything I can do to make the image sharper is something I’ll strive to do. I often put my V1 on the 800mm and stick to the electronic shutter for this reason (and the 2160mm reach). I’m desperate enough now to use my J5, even though I hate composing on the LED screen. I will absolutely stand in line to buy the V4, and my 800mm will be the first lens on it. I don’t care how thin or thick the camera is, as long as it fits on the lens. No mirror equals less vibration equals sharper images. And no noise! Sign me up.

        • Davo

          Hi Paul, that’s fair enough. I didn’t realize mirror slap was that big an issue at the shutter speeds you guys would normally need with the big tele’s.

          I did write somewhere else that I thought the top tier DSLRs should move to a hybrid finder so you could shoot mirror up or down depending on the situation. Premium products should include premium features.

          I agree re: the (audible) noise. But for me it’s shooting my baby, especially when she’s sleeping. And the DSLR goes ‘clank’, my baby stirs, my wife gives me the evils and I sheepishly put away my DSLR.

  • The FM was an enthusiast camera at most. The F2, F3 were a bit larger and heavier, and honestly, they are what the Df should be compared to. I owned all those cameras in their day, and for me the Df is kind of a synthesis of the F2 and F3, despite what all the 30-year-old reviewers say.

  • Espen4u

    As others have said…
    1. Make the d3xxx or d5xxx series mirrorless, same form but cheaper to make
    2. Make a video-dSLR as a mirrorless DX variant (lots of lenses missing)
    3. Make a fm2 sized/styled mirrorless with f-mount, touch screen, FX, aperture ring

  • Allen_Wentz

    I am a scientific diver and NAUI instructor; u/w photography was very much my thing a while back. The reddot pix are all taken at about zero depth. Seawater filters out much of the red end of the spectrum by 4 meters depth or so, so the depth at which one wants to capture images very much determines what gear may be appropriate. Some folks PP to adjust color for the red-filtering effects of seawater but it never works for me.

    Personally I suggest that if one wants to capture 1-meter-depth images grab whatever you get a bargain on, because the images available that shallow and without buoyancy control are mostly boring anyway.

    It takes about 4 meters to get reasonable buoyancy control, and most of the best images are available above 20 meters depth. 4-20 meters is not real deep from a scuba standpoint but it is from a lighting standpoint. With some specialized exceptions, strobe lighting is required.

    Strobe lighting means u/w camera systems that accept u/w strobes, u/w strobes and all the hardware necessary to mount and connect u/w strobes. A fair chunk of change but worth the effort IMO. I would NOT put my money into an expensive u/w Leica. Instead I would go with something like a refurbished AW1 for rafting and rain, and save my money for a real, housed FX body and u/w strobe system for real underwater photography.

    Seawater magnifies and mostly provides limited visibility (which makes tele mostly impossible), so u/w photogs are always challenged to achieve wide angle, meaning FX is much preferable to smaller sensor formats.

    P.S. Backscatter dot com in Monterey CA are good people and have been a great source for all things regarding u/w photography for me for 20 years.

    P.P.S. Ikelite gear is lower end but totally adequate for getting into housed u/w photography. But do your own research because I have not used the latest housings. Some folks worry about the risk to the camera at depth but with decent gear and a competent photog it is totally manageable.

    • Thank you for a very interesting and detailed answer!

      I visited the Leica store yesterday and saw the X-U. It is a lovely little thing. Leica has a definite flair for making highly desirable, albeit expensive, objects, and they’ve really done a great job with this camera. One big advantage over the AW1 and point and shoots is that this camera has photographer style controls instead of consumer electronics controls. You can adjust the aperture and shutter speed through dials. You can set ISO with the press of a button. For someone who has suffered through the interface obscurities of consumer cameras, it is a real breath of fresh air.

      I’m a little confused, though, because your description makes me think the X-U would be pretty much perfect for my needs. It has a wide angle lens (35mm full-frame equivalent), it is APS-C which is a much larger sensor than the competition, and it goes down to 15 feet, which is pretty much the whole range where it’s possible to shoot in available light.

      My ambition is to shoot coral reef fish from my boat, and I believe they are almost all within that range from the surface of the water.

      I am not a SCUBA diver yet and would be taking my initial pictures from a snorkel. While I am not a serious diver, I am a serious photographer, and it strikes me that the Leica has the image quality chops to serve a serious photographer, while having the simplicity of a true underwater camera.

      I think this camera would also be useful as a walk-around camera around nature centers. I could put my telephoto on the D5 and when I wanted to shoot wide angle I could use this one. Obviously there are far cheaper solutions for this, but I think I would use the combination of underwater + small and light camera more often than I would want to use an underwater housing.

      Your advice to buy the cheapest rugged camera available doesn’t seem right to me since I have seen the image quality of those cameras and I don’t think much of it.

      I suppose I am doomed to take boring pictures – perhaps not really boring, but easy to take and therefore ordinary for anyone deep (pun intended!) in the underwater world. I enjoyed the Leica store lady’s pictures, so my guess is that I’d also enjoy my own.

      Thoughts?

  • Yes, this camera is thicker than the old film cameras, but it’s a step in the right direction. This is exactly the kind of lame review I talked about earlier. If you listen to this guy, you wouldn’t buy this terrific camera. He puts too much importance on the aesthetics (or perhaps for him, nostalgia) of the styling and not enough on the functionality that drove those design choices. He complains about stuff that either doesn’t matter, is a matter of working preference or he doesn’t understand. It seems that for him a day out with a camera is an opportunity to play with all its features and marvel at the technology he bought (likely with his credit card). Photography is secondary. He says several times that the camera was designed to look and operate like a Nikon FM, as if he was the one heading up the product concept meetings in Shinagowa. The Df is more a blend of the F2 and F3 than the FM. He complains about the mode selector and the fact you have to lift it to change it. Thank God! He doesn’t know how the shutter dial works, which is laughable. Bottom line, this camera is like any other; you like some things and not others. For me the good outweighs the bad by a hefty margin. I’ve used various Dxxx cameras for nine years now and the Df is the first one I’ve actually enjoyed using. I pick it up and I’m excited to go to work. I’m concentrating on my photography and not the camera. I have no doubt that the mirrorless machine you describe would sell well. That would be great for Nikon. Meanwhile, I’ll keep my Df.

    • Martin L

      I like the Df and frankly, it is a very handsome camera, aesthetically speaking.

  • Martin L

    I foolishly bought a Nikon 1, V2 several years ago and was disappointed in the image quality (while still owning Nikon DSLRs–which I feel are superb). Because I wanted the benefits of a mirrorless, I bought an Oympus OM-D E-M10—which is a very handsome camera and very competent in terms of image quality.

    But to this day, I have a hard time believing that Nikon (or Canon, for that matter) will ever design a mirrorless camera which would at least compete with their lower end DSLRs. I believe it was Thom Hogan who speculated that eventually, such a large sensor mirrorless cameras could take the place of the D3300 type lower end DSLRs.

    But I’m not sure if either company will seriously commit to mirrorless in this regard. While electronic view finders have progressed, I find that they are still a disadvantage in bright daylight. And mirrorless still is at a disadvantage in sports photography. And short battery life still seems to be an insurmountable problem.

  • Marc P.

    A complete Nikon 1 Relaunch wouldn’t make much sense to me – the One “1” stands for the 1 inch sensor. A bigger sensor, even if smaller than DX/APS-C, so let’s say MFT – would maybe need newer lenses to cover the larger image circle, if the current lenses can’t do this.

    And second, why in hell a Nikon 1 System relaunch, when there is the new Nikon DL Trio, at least the DL 18-50 and DL 24-85 are made with very high quality glass, lenses for this 1 inch sensor class – and it’s fast glass, too.

    Nikon would put buyers off these 2 DL Series mirrorless, if they’d release about the same lenses for the Nikon 1 System. And even the DL 24-500 Megazoom wouldn’t be into the new RX10 Mk. III IQ class & lens speed, it’ll be maybe more aggressively being priced, i’d guess.

    Let’s say Nikon would release a “Prosumer” Mirrorless System with DX or almost DX Sensor size – the problem here would be the same as it is since 99 for the whole DX System: good, fast, affordable primes & zoom lenses, Nikon doesn’t have a 23mm DX/1.8G, for ~35mm Focal length into FF terms, for DX….there’s only the 35/1.8G DX prime, which correlates to about ~52.5mm in FF terms, and no other cheap, affordable DX Prime since March 2009 back then – it’s really a shame from Nikon, even more – considering the DX D7x00 Series are very good DSLR Bodies.

  • Captain Megaton

    “What killed my enjoyment about the V1, which I got at a knock-down fire sale price, was the lack of a focus ring on the lenses, and the cheap, toylike feel they had.”

    Well, each to his own but I doubt the addition of that feature would change your opinion much. I’ve used N1 lenses which are anything but toylike and have a focus ring (32/1.2 natch) but being able to focus manually (the zoom crop engages automatically even) is if anything less efficient than using single point AF and AF-L.

  • BrainBeat

    If they are looking to go larger I would suggest go m4/3 size and join Panasonic an Olympus as they are the next closest in size and have some super glass already. That said there are rumors that they are looking to go bigger too so may not be a great idea. I think the problem with any smaller sensor than APS-C is they are about at the limit for resolution without compromising high ISO performance.

    I know the point to sell any of these types of cameras is to sell glass and I think they would have a better change of not creating any new mounts and either use what they have not or partner with someone else.

  • luca

    I basically agree with Thom: what Nikon needs now to quickly recover all lost time of the last years is a EVIL DX system with the _SAME_ DX lenses of DSRLs , period.

    a system a la Fuji with the same Nikon F bayonet in DX format of reflex. Then they have to add a comprehensive line of new DX prime (wide) lenses and it’d done. F/1,8 just to start. They already have even too many (boring) zooms, they just need primes.

    An excellent EVF, ask Panasonic or Sony, or even Fuji for that.
    A good APS sensor, they already have one … just add hybrid AF and it’s done. They are the king of AF systems.

    Nikon UI is already excellent. Flashes and accessories are already there. Ergonomics is where they excel. They don’t need anything else but a decent battery life.

    The possibility to interchange lenses with DSRLs will be a BIG PLUS! And they will sacrifice only a bit in terms of weight and dimension, but because they will choose APS , they will be waaaay better than Sony FE in these terms. Maybe Fuji will be lighter and smaller but not that much I guess.

    Nikon, please awake!!!

    • MonkeySpanner

      agreed – Sony A6300 + Nikon D5500 body = success.

    • MB

      I basically think the idea of relaunching Nikon 1 with larger sensor has no ground in reality … first of all there is no such thing as CX mount, CX is an image format and this new fictional sensor, being larger, even with the same Nikon 1 mount would require investing in yet another new line of lenses with enough coverage … and there was nothing wrong with CX format, the only thing wrong was the fact that ILC are too expensive to build to make viable product with small sensor format … making sensor a bit larger would hardly make any difference at all and I am sure Nikon learned that lesson well …
      I would really like the mirrorless camera with Nikon F mount and all the advantages that would give us … overall there would hardly be any size difference with long lenses, and without mirror Nikon could make new line of shorter lenses with protruding rear section and/or retractable lenses … and could boost current F mount line with lenses that could be shared by DSLR and mirrorless models … but unfortunately I doubt all that …
      Nikon was never an innovative company … they started as camera company by making a Contax rangefinder replicas … later they moved to SLR by modifying that design and adding Contax pentaprism technology and basically making what we now know as Nikon F mount.
      According to mirrorless camera concept image we have now Nikon intends to continue in this manner, seems to be what we will have is a replica of very successful Leica digital cameras and maybe with a touch of Sony ideas like starting with APS-C sensors (not to compete with current FX DSLRs) and later moving to full frame in a couple of years.
      Unless there are some serious new brains inside Nikon corporation, which I seriously doubt having in mind current ownership and decision making structure, this is unfortunately my humble prediction of ɡloomy Nikon camera business future …

      • luca

        well… even if I tend to agree with you as for gloomy Nikon future … all what I’ve written about an APS mirrorless camera with F mount doesn’t need any innovative mind … it’s just a re-engineered stuff of something that already is there!

  • DouglasGottlieb

    I’d love a bigger than FF camera with a fast fixed normal to slight wide view. Like a Fuji 690.

    But a FF mirrorless that takes EXISTING glass would also be great.

    Would be smart to beat Canon to the punch too.

    Hurry up Nikon!

  • En_av_kreaturen

    Nikon (and Canon) have waited a long time, perhaps too long. Not a single official word from the Nikon company to us consumers what to expect. Regards to Nikon there have been some rumors that a mirrorless launch can handle the F-mount. Evil thinking…. it can also have been planted there just to have us, the consumers wait and think twice before looking at something else
    Time builds up more and more pressure and expectations. Really hope that several years of work with a mirrorless launch is not going to be a light pocket “market test” version 1.0. Compared with what are already there, mirrorless versions 2 or 3 from Sony and Fujifilm etc. If so then Nikon (and also Canon) are going to have a problem. A huge problem.

  • I agree with Thom. A simple light magnesium DX and more DX prime lenses.

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