Rumor: 90% of the Nikon D5 production will be XQD versions

Nikon D5 XQD CF memory card slots
Just like in Europe, Nikon USA is also pushing the XQD version of the D5 and is urging dealers to order more XQD than CF models (same price). Only 10% of all Nikon D5 will have CF memory cards, 90% will be XQD. The wait time for the CF version could also be longer.

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  • Plug

    I won’t purchase a D5 but I have a D500 on order. I will certainly use XQD cards and I hope that is the ways things will go. It is clearly a more advanced technology.

  • Colin Stuart

    XQD is the superior technology and it’s good that Nikon is pushing it. CF is around simply enough because lots of people have CF cards and don’t want to purchase all new cards (and also because it’s ‘good enough’). But XQD is capable of so much more and will be even more exciting as this format is pushed on more camera models & more cards become available.

  • RMJ

    Makes sense, the XQD is far superior.

    But if I don’t remember wrong, you can always buy the XQD version and downgrade it to CF version. At least I think Nikon promised them to be modular, so it should be possible.

    • lefantome

      Is there any official announcement or promise from Nikon to provide (paid) conversion between XQD and CF versions of D5?

  • Eric Calabros

    Good to hear that

  • D700s

    Glad to hear that since that’s the version I ordered.

  • ola

    What is the point of XQD when the buffer holds 200 shots?

    • The buffer doesn’t hold 200 itself (in memory),, that would mean 200 * ~23MB = 4.6G RAM (which at low power consumption would be tricky); rather, with XQD cards, it can flush fast enough so that it doesn’t fill until 200 pictures (although I hear this limit is self-imposed). With CF cards, I think you’ll hit the limit much earlier.

      • PhilK

        I recall seeing a specific number listed somewhere in a Nikon document for the buffer size when using CF cards. With a fast XQD 2.0 card, is where the 200 image figure came from, whereas with CF as I recall it was something like 73 images.

        • Yep, that is, surprisingly, very close to theoretical limit:

          – XQD: max sped ~400MB/s, buffer 200
          – CF: max speed ~160MB/s, hence buffer should be around 160/400*200 = ~80 frames. Which is quite close to 73!

    • lefantome

      The max burst number for the D5 is described differently from previous if you read them carefully.
      For previous D* models, the max burst number was tested with some average storage media (i.e. not super high speed model card), and you can assume the max burst number equals the buffer size; but for the D5 such numbers are given according to specific XQD and SD cards, which are both super high speed models. This possibly means the actual buffer size is smaller than the max burst number.

    • D700s

      Really? You’re kidding, right?

    • Ralf

      If you’ve ever faced a crowd of 200 waiting for a D800 to flush the giant files it produces from its buffers to a way too slow SDHC card then you know why cards can’t possibly too fast and buffers never too big. On a D800 that can easily take what felt like 20, 30 seconds.

  • Spy Black

    Now make XQD the size of an SD card and everyone else in the industry will embrace it. Otherwise the only people using it will be D4/5/500 users and a few Sony camera victims…

    • lefantome

      Why? It’s already smaller than the CF, and the major concern for such media featuring performance is indeed performance, isn’t it?
      Larger size (than SD) could mean more space for larger storage in the future (e.g. in terabytes), and with such extendibility the standard could last longer.

      • Spy Black

        Because they’re still too big. SD cards aren’t the standard for nothing. They fit in FF cameras, crop frame, M4/3, 1-inch, and subcompacts. That’s why no one’s embracing XQD.

        • Umano Teodori

          sd with last specification can handle 2gb at 300 mb/s. I think it has its own proprietary bus, drm support, micro and mini version as you said, and they are perfect for almost everything.

          Then there are the cf and now cfast for better performance and “mission critical” jobs. For example cfast are present on new alexa cameras.

          Xqd are based on pcie bus, and this means a lot, it is a far better technology. I hope, and only marketing can block this, that xqd replace cf and cfast, sd’s are in several different market segments as u know.

          I believe the different bus architecture of xqd requires new resources for development and hardware design, it is also a sony/nikon patent, the cards were expensive till last week, that’s probably why most of ppl/brands are skeptic

          • silmasan

            I also prefer PCIe-based connections, so XQD over CFast for me (XQD is smaller too, so double advantage).

            Not related to cards, but tethering through Thunderbolt/USB-C should be here already.

            • That would be awesome – one think I always hated about D8x0 so far is the asymmetric cards layout.

            • I think for the file sizes involved, an SD card is a waste of space. Not sure what the thinking was there. CF cards are small enough as far as I’m concerned. SD cards feel fragile to me like I’m going to break it if I bend it inserting it while in a rush. CF cards are unbreakable. I’ve never used XQD, but I would if they were cheaper and more prevalent.

            • silmasan

              Since XQD is narrower but still as thick as CF/CFast, then it will probably be the hardest to break, all else is being equal.

            • Umano Teodori

              Yeah true!! pcie bus also for tethering through usb 3.1 it is a great feature and the next logical step. For enthusiast high resolution camera I think the best combo is XQD/SD

            • silmasan

              Well, that seems most practical for now. SD = cheaper backup.

        • Ralf

          SD has ruled where space at a premium. CF has reigned where more volume was required and at any given time the volume of the cards has allowed to make bigger CF cards than SD cards.

          CF’s grand weakness is the ATA bus which it was born with in 1994, something which allows very simple software support by a devicefor the simple case but also is running into a wall performance wise. And with ever growing speeds the hardware folks are getting nightmares.

          So both CFast and XQD seem to provide the necessary sanity. What’s annoying is that there are two paths into the future, two D5 models.

          XQD seems to suffer from a classic failure – Sandisk, Sony and Nikon were the only company behind the specification and Sandisk never made cards making Lexar the only company to join the party later.

          So I’m pessimistic for the future of XQD but as a user I think I won’t care. I usually buy a number of high-end, high-capacity cards for a new camera and that’s probably it for the life time for the camera.

          • Spy Black

            I don’t think XQD will go away, although you never know, but if the SD cards reach a data throughput wall, a new compact format will simply take it’s place. As more and more phones and various other compact and security cameras and various other devices start recording high-quality 4k, chances are they’re going to need MICRO-SD cards with the kind of performance you now see in XQD. These cards will become the new industry standards.

            So even if XQD survives, and prices drop on the format, they will always be more expensive than industry standards which are sold at far greater volumes. I don’t see their prices ever going significantly down.

            It also says a lot about XQD when Sony themselves don’t put it in their own high performance mirrorless cameras. It’s not giving the world any impression of resounding confidence in their own product.

            • PhilK

              One key reason XQD are more expensive than SD is because they are designed for robust, professional use. Never in my life would I want to entrust valuable professional photographs of an important one-time event to flaky microSD cards.

              As for what it “says” about Sony’s card/hardware choices, I guess you can make up any evil rationalization you want there. As far as “industry standards” are concerned – the SD standard is stewarded by a consortium of self-interested companies just like any of the other flash memory formats. In the case of SD, it just happens to be SanDisk, Matsushita (now Panasonic) and Toshiba. Instead of Sandisk/Canon (Cfast) and Sony/Nikon. (XQD) 😉

              BTW – the flash memory product that Sony is truly very covetous of is their very own Memory Stick series. If you think XQD has poor vendor support, take a look at Memory Stick. There is not even a public document available anywhere about how they work or are designed. 😉

            • Spy Black

              ” Never in my life would I want to entrust valuable professional
              photographs of an important one-time event to flaky microSD cards.”

              It’s all in your mind. Photographer Thomas Stirr shoots professionally with a Nikon 1 system using Micro SDs. I regularly use them in my own J4. No problem whatsoever.

              “As for what it “says” about Sony’s card/hardware choices, I guess you can make up any evil rationalization you want there.”

              I’m just simply pointing out the obvious. Sony’s top-of-the-line mirrorless cameras, which record 4k no less, use SDs. If XQD is so great, why isn’t the creator of the medium using it in it’s own top-of-the-line mirrorless cameras?

              “If you think XQD has poor vendor support, take a look at Memory Stick”

              Yes, but who designed and used Memory Sticks in their own products? As a matter of fact, the A 7R II and A7S II also take Memory Sticks. 😉

              My point is you need a versatile medium that is usable in all cameras of any size. SD is the medium of choice. Whatever XQD can do now SD or and evolved version will do soon enough, and the medium fits right on down to the smallest cameras and audio recorders. The Panasonic G4, Sony A7’s, Samsung NX1 and even the new Leica SL all record 4K to SD. Really, what’s the point in XQD?

            • Not everybody needs a medium that is usable in _all_ cameras of _any_ size. If you only use one or two cameras, it’s fine to use whatever. And if you don’t have the “must fit _all_ cameras” constraint (I don’t), then XQD looks better to me.

            • PhilK

              Obviously you have your mind made up, so I’m wasting my time presenting any other perspectives.

              I’ll just leave you with one question: why don’t any of the top professional still or video cameras use MicroSD? Or even SD? (And no I don’t mean $3,000 cameras. I mean $7000 or $50,000 cameras: Hasselblad, PhaseOne, Mamiya, Arri, RED, BlackMagic, even the top (not entry) 4K vid/cinema cams from Sony or Canon.)

              Have a nice day. 🙂

            • Spy Black

              Of course my mind is made up! Nikon should have never embraced XQD. So the Hassleblad, PhaseOne, and Mamiya cameras all take XQD? All the other units you list are video cameras, and quasi- or fully proprietary systems at that. I’m talking cameras.

            • PhilK

              You were trying to argue that MicroSD was just fine for pro use. I pointed out that I’ve never seen a professionally-oriented product that uses them. Your rejoinder was along the lines of some pro you know uses a Holga, so Holga’s are professional tools. LOL.

              In fact the Hasselblads, PhaseOnes and Mamiyas use CF (when not tethered to something), because the product lifecycle on those kinds of products isn’t as ridiculously accelerated as the markets that Nikon caters-to, and they don’t run at 14fps, either. XQD’s first card came on the market in 2012, the D4 was the first device to use it. After 3 years we have probably a dozen devices using XQD. At that point in CFast’s market lifespan (beginning in 2009), there were ZERO cameras using it. After another year, there was ONE ($50,000) camera using it.

              XQD is gaining market traction far faster than its closest competitor is, and will continue to do so.

              (For the sake of completion, RED’s use proprietary storage, some Sony pro video stuff uses SxS cards which you can’t buy at any standard retail store, and a lot of the other pro stuff also use either proprietary storage modules or SSDs, often in proprietary. You see, real pros are often *happy* to pay a premium for the good stuff. And they *really don’t care” if SD is a few dollars cheaper, or a quarter of an inch smaller, etc etc.)

              Cheap/small devices will still use SD, of course – including Nikon’s lower-priced, smaller-sized products. And that’s just fine.

            • Spy Black

              “Your rejoinder was along the lines of some pro you know uses a Holga, so Holga’s are professional tools. LOL.”

              Hate to break it to you, but camera becomes a professional camera the moment it’s in the hands of a professional. That includes Holgas. 😉

              Thomas Stirr is an accomplish professional, who dumped his D810 and FF gear and now shoots with Nikon 1 gear that, yes, uses Micro SD cards. He’s written several articles, some over at Photography Life, as well as one or two here at NR.You should read some of them and see his work. You just might learn something from the man you’re ridiculing for using what you’re perceiving to be non-professional gear.

              “In fact the Hasselblads, PhaseOnes and Mamiyas use CF (when not tethered to something), because the product lifecycle on those kinds of products isn’t as ridiculously accelerated as the markets that Nikon caters-to, and they don’t run at 14fps, either.”

              The Canon EOS-1D X runs at 14fps, so I guess it’s using XQD cards? Phase One just released a 100 meg camera, doe sthat use XQD?

              “You see, real pros are often *happy* to pay a premium for the good stuff.”

              Show me a pro who wants to pay more for anything. 😉 I’m sure XQD will find a small niche in the scheme of things. I expect it to stay that way.

              “Cheap/small devices will still use SD, of course – including Nikon’s lower-priced, smaller-sized products.”

              Like the D810?

            • KnightPhoto

              Correction – Thomas Stirr shoots three V2 cameras which use SD cards of course (not microSD).

              And IIRC one of his concerns in his list of dislikes when the V3 came out was you guessed it… MicroSD 😉

              Agreed great photographer though!

              Face it, SD is not meeting all needs out there. It’s not a bad theory on your part, it wouldn’t be so bad if we could all stack up on UHS-II. But you don’t think the Kwanon 1D X coming out next month is going UHS-II of old-style-CF do you 😉

            • Spy Black

              You’re correct he wasn’t happy about, but he does still use it. Yes, he shoots with the V2, but he also shoots with the J5, which was where his comments on the Micro SD card come from.

              I’m referring to the SD size format, not any particular incarnation of it. It’s already in use in many cameras used professionally daily. It will continue to evolve as it has and continue to be able to meet the needs of cameras as they too evolve.

            • PhilK

              Yanno, if you want to just completely reject the concept of a “professional” piece of equipment and claim it can be redefined at any time, then trying to ascribe “professional” quality to any particular memory card or any other piece of equipment is invalid too. You are god, I am god, we are all god. 😉

              “The Canon EOS-1D X runs at 14fps, so I guess it’s using XQD cards? Phase One just released a 100 meg camera, does that use XQD?”

              I never made any of those claims. What I SAID was that the medium-format products typically have a much slower lifecycle and aren’t used for high framerates*, so their requirements are different. And I suspect a large percentage of the time, those super-high MP medium-format cameras are used tethered anyway. *(One of the reasons for which is the memory media is too slow. 😉

              In the case of Canon, they are politically linked to CF/CFast, so they will likely never use XQD for a new product as long as CFast is around. The D4 which was announced a few months after the 1Dx, was the first product in the world to use an XQD card. The cards were not even available prior to the D4 announcement.

            • PhilK

              A little political history:


              Note how the chairman of the CFA is a Canon employee, and how he boldly proclaims that the new UDMA7 mode, published in November 2010, “…will firmly establish CompactFlash cards as the highest performance professional card solution for the foreseeable future.”

              Which is pretty funny, because *2 weeks earlier* Transcend announced that they were already shipping CFast cards. LOL.


              And of course less than 1.5 years later the D4 hit the market, supporting XQD with about double the top speed capability of UDMA7. (Later increased further) I think Mr. Kanda has a strange concept of “foreseeable future”.

              Kinda reminiscent of how IBM kept trying to troll Univac in the 1950s over their “new fangled” magnetic storage media, telling everyone it was an unreliable, unproven thing that people would regret buying, that they should keep buying IBM paper punch cards for storage instead. 😉

          • PhilK

            Re: “classic failure”, it’s really mostly a matter of industry politics. Sandisk has their own “horse in the race” – they are the sponsor of the Cfast standard at the Compact Flash Alliance. (The XQD standard is also maintained by the CFA – and the sponsor in that case is Sony.)

            The annoyance re: multiple D5 models is mostly to A) Nikon – which has to compromise the camera design, waste money and potentially lose sales over it, and B) resellers, who risk getting stuck with too many of the “wrong” version in inventory. Surely Nikon did not volunteer to create that stupid scenario, stubborn users are the real culprits. Nikon made a significant sacrifice to provide both options in the D5 for users – I doubt Canon will be so generous with the 1Dx Mark II. (Which will probably have dual Cfast slots)

        • PhilK

          XQD will become more popular, no doubt about it. It’s a modern technology which is at the beginning of its market lifespan. SD was introduced nearly 20 years ago.

          Any improvement in flash memory density that allows higher-capacity in an SD card will allow even higher capacity in an XQD card. 🙂

        • Patrick O’Connor

          You seem to have a personal thing against XQD. Any particular reason?

          • Spy Black

            I suppose it appears so, lol. I just don’t find it a practical long-term media. We don’t need what is essentially proprietary media to contend with. It’s not a practical size, and it’s insanely overpriced. Nikon users also got caught holding the bag on this as well. After all, you don’t see Sony mirrorless cameras supporting it, do you?

            Essentially, the whole thing drinks to me.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              You had me until you referenced Sony cameras. I have no use for mirrorless and certainly not Sony. My daughter-in-law has an A77 Mark II and I tried to get her a ttl speedlite for it. The Sony’s are ridiculously expensive and there’re few third party alternatives. :-/

            • Spy Black

              My point is Sony themselves don’t incorporate XQD into their own top of the line cameras.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              Given their market share for top of the line cameras, I don’t see that as significant. If they used it but neither Nikon nor Canon did, now that would notable.

            • Spy Black

              You don’t see that as significant? 😀

            • Patrick O’Connor

              No. I don’t think their cameras would benefit that much from the speed. Without that benefit, I don’t think they’d want to take a chance on a new memory card format hurting their push to increase market share. They don’t need any more reasons for people to NOT move to their cameras. Nikon, however, does benefit from the speed and are already in a good position market-wise. A lot of photographers will buy the D5 and D500 no matter what. For a lot of them, XQD, and its benefits, sweetens the pot.

            • David Peterson

              Maybe the A7s mk3 will get it. Hope so!! So it can handle 10bit 4K 60fps 😉 Wishful thinking.

              But Sony has never had a D4s competitor. And only NOW did a D500 get announced. So clearly it is still very very very new thing for a prosumer camera to have XQD card slot. So patience, and Sony will bring it to their mirrorless eventually. Maybe an A9 or A7r mk3?

              Disappointed the FS5 only had SD cards and no 10bit 4K support

            • PhilK

              Look up PXW-FS7, PXW-Z100, PXW-X180. You can also use XQD via an adapter in models like PMW200.

              How did you miss that. 🙂

            • Spy Black

              Those are all camcorders. I’m talking cameras. The D5 and D500 are not camcorders. You don’t see XQD being used in Sony flagship (or any) cameras.

            • PhilK

              Sony doesn’t make $6500 still cameras. They are the “newer/eager/cheaper/smaller-form-factor competitor” and are thus very price sensitive, and body-size sensitive. SD makes more sense for those products.

              Whereas Nikon is dealing with far more pro photographers at the highest levels using their cameras for work every day, and is also saddled with users who whine and gripe when Nikon tries to take their CF card workflow away from them. Very different kettle of fish. In the former case, they demand the best reliability and most reliable, fastest-performing media. In the latter case, Nikon was forced to compromise the body design of the D5 to accomodate them or risk mutiny. Sony is lucky to not have those issues to contend with.

            • PhilK

              XQD is no more proprietary than SD or any other format. In fact, it’s way less proprietary than Sony’s in-house Memory Stick family.

              SD is ubiquitous because it’s been around for nearly 20 years. That’s all.

        • David Peterson

          Have you handled XQD cards? I have. Much smaller than CF, barely bigger than SD really.

    • RMJ

      SD cards are horrible. They are way too thin : no structural strength what so ever.

      • Spy Black

        Never had an issue with an SD card ever, and and I’ve been using them for 10 years now. I have no idea what you’re doing with your SD cards.

        • ShaoLynx

          Nowadays, OK, 20 years ago, not so much.

      • Ralf

        I think they also need less strenght due to their small size. I’m careful if not paranoid with my cards but I’ve seen others abuse their cards in terrible ways and usually they survive just fine being carried in pockets of a jeans for days followed by the washing machine, on a dashboard of a car in Brazil. Salt water and static electricity seem to be the true killers by my observation!

        Now I wish memory card readers were that sturdy but I seem to burn through one every other year …

      • PhilK

        They are definitely less sturdy than CF/Cfast/XQD, no doubt about it. (Tho the damage-prone protruding CF pins on the device side aren’t helping that format.) The smaller variants of SD are ridiculously fragile, and the tiny connectors very unreliable.

  • RX78

    Somehow I don’t think the 90% just “rumor” , I won’t be surprise to see this production ratio between two version. Oh well, time to get XQD cards ….. Lol

  • Wade Marks

    Good for Nikon for pushing XQD. Some people can only complain. As someone else mentioned, if they stick with old CF tech then people complain that the technology is getting progressively older and more obsolete and limited. If they go with a new standard then the same people complain about having to change.

    In tech sometimes you have to create the change. Apple has done this all the time, eliminating floppy disks, now they’ve just about eliminated optical drives from their Macs, getting rid of the old 30 pin connector for the Lightning connector, etc. It hasn’t hurt Apple and it won’t hurt Nikon to be known as cutting edge.

    Also, if you watch one of the videos of a Nikon rep being interviewed at CES and asking why the 2 different versions of the D5, he clearly states that the CF version is primarily meant for press agencies like Reuters, AP, etc, that already have CF cards in use and will not change at this point in time. So I would expect most of the CF versions of the D5 to be sold direct to these large press agencies and not through conventional retail channels.

    • br0xibear

      ” So I would expect most of the CF versions of the D5 to be sold direct to these large press agencies and not through conventional retail channels.”
      Where did you get this information from Wade ?
      Park Cameras in the UK are offering both models for pre order.

      • Wade Marks

        I just researched it and there is a video on Fro Knows Photo’s Facebook page, where he broadcast the Nikon CES presentation, at the end he interviews briefly one of the Nikon reps…and asks him about the two options for the card storage system for the D5. The Nikon guy responds that many press agencies have an established workflow using CF cards, and basically Nikon needed to accommodate them. The Nikon guy also mentions that because XQD is better, he believes that these agencies will eventually recognize that and hence the option to convert the card slots later.

        Ironically, broxibear, I believe it was you on one of the threads that alerted us to the fact that Fro was broadcasting the Nikon event live at the time.

        • Yes, I was 15 minutes late that day – I was expecting the announcement at midnight, not in the afternoon. Nikon has not announced new products during the day since I am running this blog (2008).

          • br0xibear

            Jessops say only the XQD version will be available in Europe and if other retailers are listing the CF version then they’re sourcing them from the US.
            Park Cameras are listing both models as pre orders, WEX list only the XQD but said the CF version will be online for pre order with weeks.

            • so that 90/10 ratio is probably right

            • br0xibear

              No idea as to the ratio, but UK retailers have definitely been told by Nikon Europe to push the XQD versions.
              So far Park Cameras are the only place in the UK I’ve seen with CF version pre orders. The others are waiting for Nikon to tell them they’ll get CF version stock before making them available for pre order…when that will be I don’t know.
              I wonder how many people are contacting retailers and asking where the CF version is ?

            • br0xibear

              Park Camera’s Website notice…

        • br0xibear

          Must have been someone else, I don’t use Facebook.

    • Ralf

      Apple is uniquely successful in the ability to bring change to the industry aka force it down customer’s throats. Nikon had to be a bit more conservative.

      • Wade Marks

        Apple now has the clout to force change…but it wasn’t always so, and yet they still were very quick to abandon old tech and embrace the new. And if we are talking personal desktop computers, Apple still only has a small market share and yet still drives change.

        Kudos to Nikon for having the guts to force the market forward.

        • PhilK

          Much as I am often critical of various Apple technology, their recent track record with power and I/O interface connectors is pretty good. Lightning is a good tech (especially now that 3rd-parties have brought the H/W prices down), Apple’s patented magnetic breakaway power-cable design for laptops was a very nice design, they were one of the first to use DisplayPort, which is another good tech, etc.

  • br0xibear

    If you’re going to offer the D5 with a choice of CF and XQD then be fair with your customers and let them choose, don’t force them to go down one particular root by limiting the supply of the CF version.
    I’m hearing that Nikon Europe are asking retailers not to stock the CF versions, apparently Jessops have been told they’re not getting any CF versions to stock, although Park cameras seem to be getting some ?
    Nikon always seem to find new ways of fucking things up, lol.

    • Wade Marks

      Consumers do have a choice…they can always order the CF version. No need to have retailers tie up big dollars in inventory on the lesser tech.

      But if we are being honest we need to realize that yes, sometimes company have to aggressively drive change forward. Customers are creatures of habit and will tend to remain with the old stuff.

      As Henry Ford once said, “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

      • br0xibear

        If Nikon wanted to “to aggressively drive change forward” they wouldn’t have a CF version.
        It’s not a choice if Nikon Europe are only supplying their retailers with XQD bodies.
        I don’t know what’s happening in Asia as far as choice goes…wait and see I suppose.

        • Wade Marks

          Really I think the way to look at it it this: the camera is really an XQD model. Nikon has agreed to the demands of some of the large press agencies to create a CF version largely for them, which can be converted later. Think of the CF version as a special order version for some of the large press outlets.

          Also, I believe you contradict yourself. If Nikon is sending only XQD models to retailers and limiting consumer choice, that is aggressively driving change forward. You can’t on the one hand say they are not driving change forward because they are offering a choice, and then criticize them for not offering a choice.

        • PhilK

          I’m really interested to see what Canon does with the 1Dx Mark II. I’m betting about a 95% chance it will be dual Cfast – which is 100% incompatible with CF, just like XQD.

          But instead, people will probably praise Canon for being “forward thinking” with that choice. You watch.

          I think Nikon made a surprising and admirable choice to provide an option on the D5 to use old cards. Pity they had to compromise the design of the camera and suffer other added costs to do it that way.

          • br0xibear

            Hi PhilK
            It would be good for Nikon, and Nikon users, if Canon did go XQD, more demand for cards would make more manufacturers, like Sandisk, likely to make them, reducing prices and making them more available…but I think you’re right, CF or Cfast

            • PhilK

              Canon will not use XQD. They are heavily invested in CFast, have made multiple official statements on behalf of it, are listed as a primary supporter in the standards documents, etc.

              Matter of fact, the chairman of the Compact Flash Association (standards and promotional organization that also stewards the XQD standard, by the way) is a Canon employee. 😀 It largely comes down to industry politics and alliances.

              So it’s really very much another Betamax/VHS thing. I was in the retail electronics business when that was all going on, and I watched the same thing play out over the years with a number of mass-market electronics industry standards.

              What a lot of people may not realize is that is the same case with SD, otherwise known as the SecureDigital flash memory standard. It also was created by a self-interested group of companies in the industry (Sandisk, Matsushita and Toshiba), who have patents that apply to the format and they charge a license-fee for everyone who makes SD-compatible products.

              CFast came out 3 years before XQD (2009 vs 2012) so they have a big jump on XQD in the market, that’s a key reason why CFast prices at the moment are lower. But if you look at the adoption of the format over time, at this point in the CFast market lifetime there were ZERO photo products using it. Around the 4th year after introduction, ONE product announced support for the new 2.0 version: Arri. With a US $50,000 video camera.

              Based on that track record, XQD is way ahead. 😀

            • David Peterson

              Well said Phil !

  • R0gue_4cid

    RIP CF…..

  • How come it doesn’t have Photoshop embedded?

  • D700s

    Shame Nikon couldn’t swing the inclusion of a XQD Card and reader this time around. It was nice when I purchased my D4 and they included a card and reader since none were initially available.

  • br0xibear

    There’s no mention about which ones will be sold through retail, that’s what I was interested in.
    Anyway, here’s the transcript for those who don’t want to watch the video…

    Nikon rep: There are two different models.
    J.Polin: Why ?
    Nikon rep: Because some people still like to using
    J.Polin: So what is it ?
    Nikon rep: Some agencies will purchase the CF
    versions other people will purchase the dual XQD version.
    J.Polin: So there’s two versions ?
    Nikon rep: Yes.

  • MichaelSNC

    I don’t doubt you and please no hate mail. I just wonder if they are only going to offer 10% of their production to CF, why even go there? it will take them more time to re-tool. Now granted, it is probably just a “module” for them to basically plug an unplug but still that is a change in the production line. Again, I am not doubting you and everyone please hold the hatemail to a minimum, this is a valid question.

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