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  • Christoph Malin

    the D500 seems interesting. but nowadays, as you can easily use Nikon lenses on other cameras via Novoflex etc, what are the benefits of a D500 on 4K filming over a Sony A7s2 or A7r2? Scratching my head there. As well, when will there be a D750 predecessor which offers the same 4K capabilities like the above mentioned Sonys?

    • Morris

      you can use nikon lenses with novoflex but you lose all the benefits (vr etc), basicly your lens becomes a big manual chunck of glass, while in DX it works ‘naturally and fully’

      and the more you go to smaller sensor (and i dont mean DX) the more you lose benefits

      benefits ?

      • Christoph Malin

        We so far use Nikon lenses on Canon Bodies as well during Timelapse Productions. They’re controlled via Software and Stepper Motors with custom made Novoflex adapters (aperture stepping, and in the near future with focus stepping). That’s why we are very open to use other bodies, and don’t mind asking questions on other bodies as well. They are therefore not a chunk of glass for us. Many Astrophotographers for example use the AFS 14-24/2.8 on their Canon 6D’s or 5DMK3, guess why 😉

        • Morris

          but you are talking about a ‘stationary’ +”software” controlled situation ? 🙂 and also ‘in the near future’

          when you are in the wild with sluggish-shy subjects that you might see 10 seconds only once a year you really need something ‘quick and ready without too many plans 🙂

          • Christoph Malin

            for sure. that’s why we have a DX camera as well in house. So again, the D500 sounds promising. But we have to keep other 4K cameras on the radar as well. breaks my heart to see the D5 with castrated internal 4K functionality for example. I don’t get why they simply offer the same like what the D500 can do internally. we have had a 1DC inhouse as well for testing, and while it is a great camera Canon’s sales on that camera have botched bottomless last year and will do even more with the new Sonys.

            • Morris

              strange decisions (im not into video) but indeed for videographers if i was Nikon boss i’d do more, but in the other hand, if i was a pro videographer, and i see that nikon is not serious into video, i’d have saluted it long time ago

            • Christoph Malin

              I for myself would like to stick with Nikon. Had them for over 20 years and was always happy with support, quality and all that as well as the image quality and their RAW quality. so, lets see what the D500 can do, and hope that the D5 will not be the other only (FX) 4K camera in their lineup for 2016!

        • MonkeySpanner

          Wow, that’s a lot of work to get Nikon lenses on to other bodies. If your goal is video why not go with a black magic with f mount (if they make one in f mount – I think they do).

          • Christoph Malin

            because cams like the D500 or A7s2 are great stills cameras too. But yes, BM is great as well.

    • MonkeySpanner

      If you are interested in video please switch brands now. Nikon is not and has not been on the leading edge of video implementation in devices. If I were into video I would shoot either Panasonic or Sony.

      • Christoph Malin

        I am interested in both. But the situation is that many professional photographers out there including one from NG I know personally, get their assignments since they provide images and a video BTS of their assignments. due to ever decreasing budgets they mostly have to do the video jobs on their own, which is crazy. It has been hard for them to keep up with their full HD Nikons, but now there might be hope with the D500. That’s why we keep wondering if the 4K situation is to be improving with Nikon. Since they are aware of the situation their pro shooters are in as well.

        • MonkeySpanner

          So there are media outlets demanding 4k video? Didn’t know that.

          • Christoph Malin

            getting more and more.

            • MonkeySpanner

              Wow. Well hopefully this new body alleviates the problem.

        • Christoph, good to see you around here again 🙂

          • Christoph Malin

            thank you Peter, just overwhelmed by all the good news 🙂

    • jarmatic

      Not to be a grammar a-hole, but ‘predecessor’ means the opposite of how you used it.

      • Christoph Malin

        thanks a lot, just corrected.

    • Carleton Foxx

      If you’re a single-person company like me, the benefit is that you only have to deal with one set of controls, hopefully the same color science, ability to match shots from different angles… All that kind of thing. If Nikon would get their video autofocus together or at least give us focus peaking, life would be grand.

      Oh yeah, and output 4:2:2 10-bit color to the internal card.

  • HF

    If I use magnification, I usually don’t use peaking, too. In the macro regime it sometimes distracts me from getting the hairs or eyes on an insect exactly in focus. I find the A7x series focus peaking to be as reliable as green-dot focussing in my DSLR with fast glass, i.e. not very much. You can’t just use it and be sure that the eye-ball is in focus when photographing people. The point of highest sharpness is usually at about 1/3-1/2 of the whole DOF region. Difficult to estimate when being in a rush. The best peaking system I used so far was on the EM1. But if it were accurate, it would make for a very quick way of using manual fast glass.

  • Oh boy, I better not comment because it will get very ugly but trust me I have a lot to say on that topic. Maybe I will one day. Today I am more interested in the D5/D500.

    • Uh, yeah and stuff. No comment on my part as well.

  • Damian Lickindorf

    Does anyone finally know the bitrate of this 4k?….

    • Scott

      That’s what I’d really like to know, too. Anything to help offset the unfortunate crop factor.

  • Thom Hogan

    Progress in miniaturization is really just using fabs with smaller process for the most part. Nikon and Sony have been steadily using smaller process fabs over time.

    The problem with noise is simple: it has multiple contributors. Reduce one contributor and one of the others will then become the primary contributor. Unfortunately, one of those is a physics problem that’s not solvable: the randomness of photons.

    The D3/D4 sensors all shared a common thing: they put circuitry at the photosite that produced higher levels of what we’d probably call read noise, and they adjusted the gain so that it was more optimized for high ISO work than base ISO work in tandem with that. This means that a D810 easily trounces the D3/D4 models at base ISO in terms of electronics noise, but the D3/D4 does better at high ISO boosts. Indeed, the D3/D4 are tuned in such a way that they are NOISE LIMITED in dynamic range from base ISO to about ISO 800. You don’t get any benefit out of setting ISO 400, for example.

    Again, change one variable and another variable will become the gating issue in terms of noise. Nikon tunes some cameras differently than others.

    • FrancescoP

      Thanks Thom for the reply. It is intriguing to wait if the D5’s 100K ISO and D500’s 50K ISO are really usable in the real world.

  • You clearly have no clue to what your talking about, re: Thom Hogan. Your comment was rude and completely uncalled for. You may not agree with his opinion, but, to lump him with Ken Rockwell…tisk, tisk. Kinda makes you look foolish.

  • Thom Hogan

    Times change, Sickhead. Someone asked me about NOW and I replied to what I’d do now. Simple as that.



    Dont know if this was posted before….. Although this guy probably favours Canon and Sony hes Got some points

  • murdoc2009

    Saw it. EosHD isn’t biased, they gave pretty good reviews for the D750 and D5500. Disappointing to see how little Nikon still puts into video. I know this is predominantly a film camera but we live in a capitalist society and in order to stay relevant you need to keep up with your competition. And considering that video is becoming the way of the future, Nikon really needs to start putting more effort into this front.

    • I dearly hope video is not the future. I like looking at photos, but video takes so much time to watch that I usually skip it. Photos I can browse at my own speed, video much less so – speeding it up ruins the artistic effect (if any).

    • jonra01

      If that is true, then someday the average camera will be a video camera with some small stills ability. That may actually turn out to be true. If video cameras get good enough and have a high enough resolution, then you could just do frame captures for the stills. But, that’s still quite a way off. The days of 48-50mp per frame are not going to be here next week.

  • Indeed he does. Interesting, thanks.

  • Chris

    The only thing I wonder is why 3 minutes. I don’t care and I will buy if I have the budget. But I want to know the reason.

    • AlphaTed

      How big are 3 minute 4k videos?
      If it’s more than 4GB, then the limitation is in the FAT32 file system used in the cards.

      • Chris

        That is not reasonable. There are folks using external recorders which have HDD installed.

      • Chris

        BTW, exFAT should be available on cards larger than 64GB.

  • Arpe

    Even though I will probably buy it, things I don’t like about the D500:
    – no pop-up flash (hey – you don’t have to use it!). It can control my current off-camera flash, the D500 can’t. At least the wireless control should be built into the camera.

    – I prefer the mode dial of the D7200/D750 and the User memories. I really didn’t like the memory banks of my old D300s.
    – I never use the blutooth or wi-fi. I’d rather have GPS, but I know others disagree.

    I wonder if people would rather have built-in wireless flash control, or the blutooth/wi-fi it has got? I presume there’s not room for both?

  • Kiboko

    Will the Nikon D500 be considered a “pro”-camera for NPS/NPU? (Nikon D300 D300S where …)

    • jonra01

      It’s listed as an enthusiast’s camera on Nikon USA site.

  • malchick743

    Generally content with D5’s specs but not D500’s. Here’s what I don’t like about the D500 and thus won’t get one:

    a. No internal flash. This flash does come in handy when you need it. Really, if weathersealing is a concern, then why equipped the D700/800/810 with the said flashes as well? So better weathersealing is just an excuse here IMHO;

    b Plastic center-body. Think NIkon really sets a bad precedent here. Does that mean all future pro-DX bodies will also come with this body structure? Having used a D7000 for years I know how flimsy this type of body form can be, especially when compared with a full-metal one (eg. D300/S) — even though the D500’s center-body is of carbon fiber composite like on the D750. IMO, would prefer live with a little more weight with the full-metal body design in exchange for more ruggedness/durability;

    c. Compulsory XQD/SD design. Seems that Nikon was going the easier route by simply modifying the existing dual-SD design to accept one XQD and SD, instead of the usual stacked CF/SD slot design. Speed performance aside, XQD cards are still prohibitively expensive to the average high-amateur. So unless CF is effectively displaced by the camera industry, XQD shouldn’t be implemented on the Dxx0 body like this one;

    d. Pathetic 4k video. Only three minute durations and still H264/265 8-bit 4:2:0? Would rather see it offering only full-HD but with refined video quality, just like the 7D-2 (also no 4k video).

    • Re (c): CF will probably be completely replaced, its speed limitations are becoming restrictive. Either SD or XQD/CFast will replace it.

      Re (d): I think you got it the other way around. D500 can shoot 30 minutes, it’s the D5 that can only do 3 mins. Also, it’s 4:2:2 (but still 8 bit, indeed).

  • Odysseas Papageorgiou

    A professional DSLR camera in which you can’t even select the exact
    autofocus sensor you need. Nikon after essentially keeping the same
    autofocus system for 8 years in its professional DSLR cameras, although
    it releases updated versions every two years halfway through their
    product life cycle and these cameras are used mainly for sport
    photography (meaning very fast erratically moving subjects which by
    nature demand the best autofocus system) now it replaces the ancient
    autofocus system first released with the Nikon D3 back in 2007 with one
    that professional photographers can’t even choose their preferred
    autofocus sensor, because I imagine that Nikon doesn’t trust them that
    they will choose the right one. Another decision by Nikon which
    perfectly illustrates the respect that Nikon has for the professional
    photographers who demand the best equipment in order to cope with the
    ever increasing requirements of their clients. I predict that when the
    Canon EOS 1D X Mark II is released will win hands down the Nikon D5 in
    the autofocus department and will further expand the lead which Canon
    has even more. That is unless of course Canon doesn’t repeat any of the
    mistakes of the recent past, but even in which case the current Canon
    EOS 1D X (in photography) & Canon EOS 1D C (in 4K video recording)
    are already superior in comparison to the Nikon D5, although both were
    released almost 4 years ago. By the way, when cameras the size of the
    second generation of the Sony A7 series with in built image
    stabilization can record 4K video internally without overheating, how is
    that the Nikon D5 which is almost double in size and without an in
    build image stabilization can’t record 4K video for more than 3 minutes?
    I guess Nikon should have put more resources into bringing into the
    market faster its patent of placing a fan inside its cameras to combat
    overheating, because DSLR cameras the size of the Nikon D5 don’t have
    enough room internally to cool down by themselves. Nikon users welcome
    to 1985 when the autofocus was invented and cameras had a hole in the
    place when the digital sensor is nowadays with the added bonus of opening
    back film chambers so that they wouldn’t need any fans to cool down.
    Have in mind that even back in 1992 Canon EOS 5, which at the time was
    the semi professional model of the Canon SLR line up, had user
    selectable autofocus sensors. I guess that the Nikon D6, after 4 years,
    will feature the same autofocus system with the Nikon D5, since Nikon is
    a professional camera maker which respects tradition, while as an added
    bonus it will feature limited aperture control in fear of diffraction.
    Nikon D7, will be the first professional DSLR camera with 399 autofocus
    sensors, after 8 years Sony first produced such an autofocus module,
    half of which will be of linear type, so that autofocus of moving
    objects isn’t that sharp and thus bring an air of nostalgia to the
    professional photographers who until then they will still prefer DSLR
    cameras for shooting photos and videos, while at the same time it will
    also be the first professional DSLR camera to feature only an Auto mode,
    so that professional photographers can focus entirely in composition,
    while leaving aperture, shutter speed and ISO control, which by then
    based on the current rate of ISO range expansion by Nikon will have
    reach ISO values approximately in the region of 839,680,000 with boost
    but “only” 6,553,600 native ISO, to the camera. Because Nikon knows
    better than the photographer.

    • Wow, ranting on three separate discussions (this one, the announcement one, and the leaked doc one) with the exact same comment. Do you feel better now? Did you let it all out? Don’t hold back!

      Note 1: D5 has 55 selectable focus points, compared to EOS 1D X 61 AF points. So it’s a wash here, I don’t know what you’re ranting about. Do you understand the reason why Nikon has restricted the selection? Can you say anything about that specific reason, or are you just ranting?

      Note 2: Sony A7 not overheating? That’s not what I heard. Have you also heard about the firmware update for D5 extending the 3 minutes, or are you just ranting?

      Note 3: “Have in mind that even back in 1992 Canon EOS 5, which at the time was the semi professional model of the Canon SLR line up, had user selectable autofocus sensors”. What is this all about? Do you think the D5 has *no* selectable focus points? Or, again, are you just ranting?

      • Odysseas Papageorgiou

        First of all, I posted my comment on three different discussion forums because I wanted to receive as much feedback as possible as well as because I wanted to tease as many Nikon users as possible. This was meant to be a joke with some truth in it. As far as your remarks are concerned, the Canon EOS 1D X, which is four years old and is one generation apart from the Nikon D5 which was just released, has 61 selectable autofocus sensors out of which 41 are cross type. Have in mind that with each new generation of its professional EOS 1 series Canon introduces a new radical autofocus system which is much better than the one it is replacing. In addition, the newer autofocus system of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II, which is the semi professional model in the Canon line up has 65 selectable cross type autofocus sensors, as is supposed to be the autofocus system of a camera which is specifically designed for sports photography. Thus, according to the prior history of the EOS 1 series, I expect the autofocus system of the Canon EOS 1D X Mark II to be significantly better than one in the Canon EOS 7D Mark II. As far as the overheating during 4K video recording of the second generation of the Sony A7 series is concerned, considering its size in combination with the in built stabilization, can be much more easily justified than in the case of the Nikon D5, which not only is much larger (almost double) in size but also lacks in build stabilization. Furthermore, I find it completely unacceptable for a company with the reputation of Nikon, which most professional photographers are supposed to trust, to think that it is OK for professionals to spend $6,500 for pre-ordering the body only, if they want to have it in time for spending some time with the camera before the Summer Olympics of 2016 , but at the same time have to rely on rumours or at best reassurances from Nikon itself, of a feature which should be available since the offical launch of the camera, especially when considering that the Canon EOS 1D C had it available for the last four years. As far as the point I wanted to make by mentioning the Canon EOS 5, is that a camera which is either semi professional or even worse professional must meet certian criteria. Among these is an autofocus module with as many selectable cross type autofocus sensors as possible and not an autofocus module which out of 153 autofocus sensors (linear & cross type) only 35 are selectable cross type autofocus sensors.

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