Nikon stock down 23.6%, the worst underperformer in the Nikkei this year

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Just saw this report on Reuters:

"Nikon is down 23.6 percent year-to-date and is the worst underperformer in the Nikkei this year, while the benchmark has rallied nearly 49 percent."

Nikon had to cut their financial forecasts multiple times in the past few months.

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  • Skewer

    Nikon deserve this. Look at your marketing strategy and new product. What a joke. You call that Black Friday promotion a promotion?

    • Skewer

      I am ready to spend at least $2000 on new lens. But what’s your BF promotion? To buy another body? How much percent of people who already owned a FX body need to buy another body?If you don’t know how to promote your product, please just copy Canon’s strategy. Please, retarded Nikon.

  • Maji

    I hope Nikon survives the onslaught of camera phones and keep making optics and cameras that I can use in the decades to come. I have too much invested in Nikon glass.

    • Marcel Speta

      Many of us invested ten-thousands $ in Nikon gear, so nobody of us wants to Nikon fall down. But yes, they deserve it and they have to rework their marketing and customer approach.
      On the other hand, that’s not the only reason having difficulties. There are also objective causes – market saturation with high quality cameras of any kind and type. So this can not grow to the sky. I would assume the similar at Canon as well, but they have wider portfolio and may compensate the loss on other side.

      • intopix

        I second your opinion.

      • stormwatch

        Nikon and Canon are unfortunately the things of the past. Face it. It’s 2013-2014, not 1985.

        • Rhys

          Yep, it’s the age of mirrorless now. Sony, Fuji or Oly

          • Ronan

            Once they build a mirrorless that doesn’t feel like a cheap plastic toy, then it will truly be the age of the mirrorless.

            • Rhys

              For you Ronan. For others (practically everyone else) it’s about the whole package, performance/weight/size/looks.

              Camera makers like Fuji seem to know what people want. Performance still isn’t quite up to my D800E’s but Nikon is standing still while Sony Fuji are making strides. It’s just a matter of time now.

            • Ronan

              Wrong, for most professionals they want a solid camera.

              That’s why you don’t see professionals using mirrorless camera’s, a part from a few. Just because a dozen of them do it, it doesn’t negate the tens of thousands that don’t!

            • Rhys

              No, they don’t use mirrorless because they can’t match DSLR’s performance. Once mirrorless is FF, has multiple phase detect AF points, and a plethora of fast glass. You will see a mass exodus. Basically once manufactures release full frame equivalents to the Fuji X system, it’s game over for DSLR’s except for a few niche genres.

            • neversink

              It will take quite a while for mirrorless to equal that of DSLR. I need no lag time in focus and the moment when I press the shutter. The electronic finder is still a drag to work with. It takes the spontaneity out of any photo work. Yes the Fuji’s images are gorgeous, but the above problems I mentioned is not worth it. I can shoot quicker with a manual focus Leica M3 or M6. I don’t always need to shoot quickly, quite the contrary, but when I need to, I want to use the best out there, and to me that is Nikon D4 or D800. Phase 1 is great, but incredibly costly.

            • phil

              please enlighten me, what makes the OMD EM-5 feel like a cheap plastic toy ? It certainly looks more serious, than the Df.

          • R!

            Pansonic invented It!?

          • Maji

            I wonder if Sony or Oly’s mirrorless is making them any money. Nikon may be a dog of the Nikkei, but at least it is profitable.

            • Rhys

              There was a time Apple was losing money. Then they innovated. Where is Apple now?

        • Marcel Speta

          I am sorry, but really don’t understand your point. But respect it 🙂 Maybe that’s because i am not english native speaking person ;.)

          As a user of Pro Gear for 20 years i do not see any better Producer in 35mm system than Nikon or Canon. OK, Pentax and Sony are going really forward last two years, but they do not have such great ergonomy and number of accessories like those two and didn’t yet mentioned the number of lenses…..

          • Ronan

            Exactly!

        • French Fries

          There will always be room for quality products.
          Not everybody wants to take photos with a cellphone.

          Lets face it, the market is mature.
          Nikon could produce camera’s before the ‘digital’ age. Now we go back to those kind of sales volumes as we knew 20 to 30 years back.

          On the other hand, your camera will be doing fine in 5 years from now also. What is it that makes you think you need a new toy every 2 years like you have been in the past 8?

          • stormwatch

            EXACTLY this is the type of marketing strategy applied by Nikon! Who needs new cameras with all that modern technology, so let’s cut video which actually saved the DSLR world for another decade. But first, let’s play with the customers a little bit, just to check how stupid and dedicated to the Nikon italic or non italic logo they are…let’s make some oily products with bad focusing and sensor alignment issuses, and claim that there are no errors by remaining completely silent. Above that, we can always add some 10 or 20 number after the first product was a big fail, and say that it was only a generational change, or even better, those flaws they’re mentioning are just happening in their creative minds! We know that a brand dedication is one of the strongest drugs in nowadays corporate wasteland culture, and knowing they actually invested xxxxx $ or xxxxx Euros in Lenses and other equipment, there is hardly a point of turning back to other companies. But, let’s leave the best for the last…let’s actually take a flawed product, repack it in a retro styled body. Then add some fancy buttons and knobs which are actyally making camera operation slower and more confusing, and for the most important part – we make a strong advertising campain in which we’re openly claiming that without “this” there is no true photography and charge ridiculous amounts of $ Euro for it! Who bites, bites, we re saved by the Logo anyways…. No no Nikon, times change really quickly…just watch how the most dedicated fanboys leaving you for the better options out there!

        • tom

          What mirrorless can compare to a D4? or D800?

          • Ronan

            None, which is exactly my point.

            Heck anyone that owned a XPRO1 or XE1 (i’v owned both) will know INSTANTLY this isn’t a professional camera.

            • R!

              Fujis are Leica wanhave camera buyers!!!!

            • phil

              professionals are irrelevant, they don’t contribute to revenues at all. It’s consumers, where the real money is. You can keep shooting your D4 and D800, there are NO mirrorless cameras meant to replace any of these two. But anything below that has already a mirrorless alternative.

          • R!

            Lumix 16 mpx 25 600 iso and Sony A7R 36 mpx !

  • Greg

    Nikon need to keep up with the new kids, bring some funky tech to the table at reasonable prices. Their competition isn’t just Canon any more, I think they need to wake up and realise that.

    • intopix

      Bingo!
      Greg and Marcel are right on. The demand for encompassing technology has broadened the horizon. For example, “Pure Photography” is a myth. Or GoPRO takes videos but can also produce acceptable stills. Pros are mixing vids and pics because their clients want it… Swimming against the tide is dangerous…

      • Andy Aungthwin

        Pure photography is not a myth. Most people with a DSLR take only photos.

        My family and I just got back from a trip in SE Asia. All the “pros” there are shooting D3000/5000 and the like. None of them were doing videos that I noticed.

        They are probably not pro enough for you but believe me they make a living. They take pictures of tourists (us included) doing stuff like riding elephants, rafting on a bamboo boat and so on.

        By the time we got of the elephant there was a printed photo waiting for us, for US$1. Hard to say no to that.

        In the two weeks that we were there I only saw one wannabee pro (a foreigner) carrying his D4 or something totally ridiculous.

        The point is that Nikon will make what sells. Sure the Df isn’t going to sell by the millions but Imagine the size of the market in China or India for small DSLRs?

        And that’s why we are seeing stuff like the AW1.

        • umeshrw

          I live in India. A hardcore wedding PG friend of mine refused to buy Df for lack of video and two card slots. Mind you he buys all the new cameras (nikon) that come out. Even D4. He is 65 years old and doesn’t understand english or tech much. Even camera operations are to be taught to him which he remembers well. ( He started with F2 back in his time and is a great photographer) I don’t think he does video for work but he intended Df to be his walkabout camera for which he wanted video too. I don’t think many people would opt to work with Df but will willingly use it as take everywhere camera for which video is a plus.

          • Ronan

            Good job, you named ONE professional that doesn’t want to buy a camera Nikon said was NOT for professionals!!!

            Df is meant as a pure camera, to appeal to, the MASSES of people bitching & moaning about DSLR’s that have video’s. Nikon killed 2 birds with one stone. Old style SLR, and no videos.

            Where do you think ALL those people that said ‘no video in DSLR’ went? They were complaining NON-STOP a few years ago.

            • “Nikon killed 2 birds with one stone. Old style SLR, and no videos.”

              Yet they still missed the boat by skipping the split prism. That was such a critical part of old, pure film photography in my mind I can’t separate the two.

            • Ronan

              Nikon already said it does NOT need it + people that actually used it confirmed it.

              Just because you want something that the company + actual users claim is not needed, does not make the product faulty/bad!

            • Zograf

              +1! I was hoping Nikon would indeed add/keep the split prism (physical not electronic) in the Df, considering Df’s support of all F-mount lenses. Pity it did not.

            • Aldo

              pure photography was just a marketing strategy to exclude video from the df so that it wouldn’t hurt the other camera sales too much.

            • I’m still waiting to find out if the Df has clean HDMI out so people can use it for video with an external recorder.

              That would be a nice, subtle touch. No native video, but there is still the option available if you really, really want it.

            • neversink

              Why in the world would anyone want to do this? Just buy a camera with video then. In fact, if you want real video buy a pro video camera.

            • intopix

              Aldo, you nailed it down! 100%!

            • tertius_decimus

              +1

              Still, I prefer plain matte S-type screen because it releases me from dancing the focus-then-recompose cha cha cha. Surprisingly, there’s a company that still provides vide variety of these for every DSLR they make… Pentax. I’m scratching my head for a long time but can’t decide to change yet.

            • guest

              focus-then-recompose

              I hear ya man. So difficult…

            • tertius_decimus

              I get the sarcasm but you don’t get the point. For thorough composing this technique isn’t suitable. Go and shoot first then try joking, clueless.

            • tertius_decimus

              You’re such a moron…

              Focus/recompose technique isn’t suitable for thorough composing.

              Get a life, mr. troll.

            • umeshrw

              Sorry I cannot understand the meaning of your reply. But from the tone I think it is negative. It actually was a reply to a post saying that pros do not need or want video in their camera( Df like or otherwise) anywhere in the world. A categorical statement.

            • Rhys

              No they were complaining about video compromising still’s. i.e. When Canon stuck a fat AA filter on the 7D, people rightly protested they didn’t want that kind of compromise.

              Anyway this is the last last hurrah for Canikon, mirrorless will be the future.

            • Michael Sloan

              I didn’t want or need video in my DSLR, but I’m not running out to buy a Df camera either. Did Nikon make them fancy dials backlit? Probably not… Did Nikon put a FX AF system in the Df? Nope… Also, I don’t see how buying the Df makes my photography experience any purer than buying a D800. For about the same money, the D800 is the superior choice; I’ll just opt not to use its built in video features.

            • Ronan

              The Df has a FX AF system…

            • neversink

              39 points vs 51 on D 700, D800 and D4

            • intopix

              And D7100…

            • phil

              The ratio of consumers:professionals is at least 10000:1.

              Do you really think that Nikon can afford to be irrelevant on the consumer market ?
              ..because they are slowly becoming just that

            • tom

              WHat is pure photography? And any person how bitches because there DSLR has video is an idiot. if you don’t like video dont use it. what does it add to a camera that is such a problem to these people.

            • R!

              DF is a PURE FAILURE!!!!!(already)
              Because of Its price and no video stupid lack!!

            • Anónimo

              Reading a lot of fora till Nikon announced the Df there were a lot of people asking for a camera with no gimmicks and as simple as possible – some even claimed for NO back screen – and now the situation was just reversed and we see a lot of people claiming against Nikon because the Df has no video, no this no that…difficult to satisfy everybody at the same time, but we are still free to buy only what we want…at least.

            • stormwatch

              No, they actually killed a full Octave of birds with the Df. No manual aperture controls on the older lenses, old AF, old sensor, one SD slot, and entry level models battery.

          • R!

            DF is a snob camera,they wanted to compete with Leica and Fuji and they will end up beeing ridiculous in front of Sonys.

        • French Fries

          Child labour should not be stimulated.
          FYI those kids that take your photo get 8 dollarcents an hour.

          The camera is being handed out by their boss.

        • intopix

          Andy, I am still using my very old Nikkormat, so, in that sense “Pure Photography” is not a myth! But, when a company tries to reverse a trend (video+photo) just because they fumbled SO BADLY with the D600 and to a lesser degree with the D800 in its beginning, when they continue to ignore the cries for a D400, THEN, “Pure Photography” becomes a myth.
          I never claimed that they will never be people doing only “pure” photography — there are million of pictures taken every day, including from smartphone — but I am positing that video and photography will become more and more intertwined and main stream in the professional markets.
          OK, your guys in Asia were not using video just for the reason you mentioned: it’s easier to sell a $1 pic to tourists than a video. And they don’t need a D4 or a D800 or a D600 not even a 7100 accomplish that. Most decent photographers could it with a mid-level Coolpix.

          Happy Thanksgiving.

  • Jon Ingram

    Can’t say I’m surprised, but I think Nikon will be just fine in the long run. I think there are many reasons for this decrease, especially the changing global economy and shifting market trends. While I’m getting tired of hearing the same complaints on every NR post (D600 atrocity + no D400), these complaints are valid and I’m glad that the digital era gives consumers such a loud voice. Consumer feedback is a good thing.

    • umeshrw

      Don’t forget D700 replacement. (Also a valid complaint)

      • French Fries

        D800 IS the D700 replacement – how often need one to say that to those unwillingly to hear?

        • Marcel Speta

          i am one of them. D800 is not, sorry.
          D700 successor should use 24Mpx sensor from D600/610, 5fps (8fps with Battery grip), new AF system and damned video. That is D700 reverend successor.
          D800 is great camera even with problems it has, but different target audience and purpose.

          • sperdynamite

            Agree. D600 sensor is killer. Lots of room to crop, great in low light. All a wedding shooter needs. I haven’t seen that the D4 sensor is ‘worlds’ better. D800 does satisfy some, and I keep hearing the same old song about how I should just adjust to massive file sizes and slower processing times, but what if I don’t want to? And even on the best machine a smaller file will simply process and store easier and faster, why should I want to deal with 36mp?

            • Jeff Hunter

              36mp gives one maximum cropping power.

            • sperdynamite

              So does 200 megapixels. Except RAID storage is not particularly cheap and even on a fast computer a ‘just right’ [for the job] file size processes faster and takes up less space.

              16-25 is the sweet spot (for my work).

            • guest

              Are you kidding? Multiple terabyte disks in a midtower running BSD or Linux and you think RAID is not “particularly cheap”? RAID is dirt cheap. You just need to spend more time learning and less time posting.

            • sperdynamite

              Define cheap when it comes to 4 drive striped arrays. Plus I don’t run Linux, many photographers don’t, as my RAID is external.

          • R!

            THE D 700 IS NOT GOING TO BE REPLACE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jeff Hunter

            I’m one D800 owner with no complaints and no regrets. Love the damn thing!

            • Marcel Speta

              nothing against the D800. this is great camera.
              But in my opinion not D700 successor. 🙂
              D800 is new class.

            • Aldo

              A D800 “could” be a d700 replacement… a “true” d700 replacement cannot ever be a D800.

            • Anónimo

              At least it didn’t replace mine but for sure it was a replacement for the people that bought the D800 and sold the D700.
              It seems we should give up discussing this issue of D700 “replacement” as (being them right or wrong) Nikon is adjusting their lineup according to a strategy and people just buy (or not) the products that meet their needs…if they find them in the catalog…

            • neversink

              The D800 replaced the D700. Just like the f2 replaced the Ftn…. And the F3 replaced the F2… Etc…Get over it. Live with it.

            • De Mentia

              Ditto!

            • Aldo

              I loved the d800

          • Jacob

            Except that I would say that a true D700 replacement would be the D800 with a D4 sensor and slightly slower fps (because of no grip)… The D600 body just doesn’t work professionally… a shame really

            • T53

              The Df meets my specs for a D700 replacement but I’m not sure about the practicality of the control layout and the ergonomics. I’m waiting for it to show up at my local camera store AND for the price to come down a bit.

        • Michael Sloan

          Hardheaded fools will continue to repeat their claims to an unwilling audience. It would suffice to say, that there is a large number of Nikon customers who feel the D800 wasn’t the equivalent companion to the D4, as was the D700 to the D3. The complaints will continue until Nikon finally makes the D700 replacement that so many long for. Had the D800 used the D4 senor, all would have been well. The D800’s 36MP sensor could have been stuffed in a D4X, and Nikon could have sold them at a higher markup. Nikon should have produced a D4, a D800 (with D4 sensor) in one year, followed by a D4X, D800X/D800XE (with 36MP sensor) in the following year.

          • De Mentia

            Which camera company did you say you own? The peanut gallery always has all the answers. Trouble is, they don’t know what the question is. They have never run a large business either. Funny how that works.

            • Michael Sloan

              Canon, Leica, Fuji, Olympus…pick one!

          • Jacob

            Finally someone who talks sense! Thanks

          • Andy

            >The complaints will continue until Nikon finally makes the D700 replacement that so many long for.

            Which is what? The D700 was larger, heavier, had one card slot and a 95% viewfinder, not counting worse sensor, DR et cetera.

            Because the D800 is one single FPS lower than the D700 it’s not a ‘real’ replacement? Jeez. If you say so pal but everything else it does seems to compensate.

            Stop and think: increasing the FPS on 32 MP camera (often 42 MP when shooting at 14 bit) means moving a hell of a lot of data off the sensor, through the ADC (and the faster you do this, the more noise you can get), and through the I/O board onto the compact flash card. The faster you want to do this, the more electricity you’ll need to spend.

            Okay, how much battery life are you willing to give up? Moreover, given the storage in the D4, we know that the QXD is what Nikon is betting on for the next generation of Compact Flash. The licensing for these units is doubtless more expensive, thus driving the cost of the D800 up.

            Finally, higher FPS will mean more frames (duh) which typically makes engineers want to put in a better shutter. This also drives cost.

            I think the constellation of decisions that resulted in the D800 feature mix is more than acceptable.

            • umeshrw

              D700- 9 FPS
              D800- 4to 5 FPS (6 with crop)

            • Me

              A: Nine FPS was the D3 not the D700, the D700 was 8 FPS with a grip.

              B: Eight FPS of 32 MP is 256 megabytes in a single second. Stop and think of what’s involved in getting that off the sensor, through the ADC, over tho the I/O board and onto the storage volume.

            • umeshrw

              Sorry for mistake. Still 800 is falling 3 FPS short of the mark which is huge for some people. And your calculation is precisely the reason people are clamouring for 20ish MP body. Btw stop and think what is it that is involved in 7100 very small buffer.

            • Onnik James Krikorian

              I think this is the point. While many are happy with the idea of the D800 as a replacement for the D700, many others are not. And Nikon are basically losing their custom although not necessarily their loyalty. Simply, they have lost revenue.

              Given that the D700 ate into D3 sales, I can only hope that they’re just waiting a little longer until introducing something that I — along with others — would rush out and buy. True, I did almost buy a D800 immediately when it came out.

              But I wasn’t entirely sure and some reported left focus point issues (that and London Camera Exchange not willing to unbox the only one they had in stock so I could check it) made me back off. I still remain reluctant.

              I need a second body (which would become my main one), but as a photojournalist, the D800 wouldn’t be it. Personally speaking I need the equivalent of a D3/s-D700 combo. And no, I can’t afford/justify even one D4, let alone two of them.

              Yet. 🙂

            • neversink

              And you are a photojournalist and you can’t afford a D4… You are obviously not working that much. Or you are working too cheaply. Granted, when I worked as a photojournalist,I probably got more for photos than people do today, particularly factoring in inflation and cost of living including rents.. It’s not easy being a freelance photojournalist today, and it was always tough. I loved photojournalism, but I made I supplemented my income with annual reports and other corporate photography. I think there were more opportunities for photographers, in some ways, in the 1970s.
              Good luck.

            • Michael Sloan

              Don’t get me wrong, the D800 is a fabulous camera. It just isn’t what everyone expected/desired it to be. In some cases it was too much. You can’t slap a battery grip on the D800 and make it shoot at 8 fps. The D700 was essentially a low light monster in a mini format, with the ability to shoot 8 fps for another $200, thereby making it a viable sports camera for many. As you point out, it is the large files that have to move through the D800 and thereby slow it down. I’ve owned the D300, the D700, the D3 and now the D4; I’ve shot the D7000 and the D800. The first four cameras have the better ergonomics, hands down. It’s not just the technology inside the camera, it’s also the user interface that is so very important. As for XQD, I find it funny that Sony doesn’t even offer a single camera with their own memory solution; the jury is still out if it will ever make it into another Nikon product. I will say this about XQD, “I like it, it is fast and reliable.” Maybe the original D700 was too successful for Nikon’s tastes, and it over competed directly with the D3, as many have suggested. Personally, I don’t think there are that many people willing to spend $5K+ on a DSLR and those who bought the cheaper D700 instead of the D3 for their businesses, probably bought two of them anyway.

            • Guest

              >I’ve owned the D300, the D700,
              The D800 has the same body.

          • neversink

            Why don’t you apply forCEO since you know exactly what Nikonshould and should not produce. I’m sure you’ll be hired immediately.PS- Happy Thanksgiving

            • Michael Sloan

              I would, but I’m too busy running Canon.

          • Robert

            Absolutely
            correct! I still have a D700/D300 and a bunch of lenses up to 600mm AF-S VR but
            I am not willing to buy a body like a D4. I want to have a real successor of
            the D700, with good low light capabilities, optional more speed (at least 8fps
            with battery grip like D700/D300) and good AF performance. Nikon only fulfilled
            the need of higher resolution with D800 but that is not what everybody needs. Until then many of the ‘original’ D700 buyers
            will still wait for a real successor…

            • KnightPhoto

              A lot of the D700-holdouts seem stuck on irrational factors – let’s see you have a 600mm and therefore can benefit from the high res of the D800 and are not willing to buy a body like a D4.

              D700 owners are mentally twisting yourselves into knots avoiding actually getting a camera, whether that be Df, D4, D800, or D610.

            • Robert

              Of course from your point of view everything sounds easy, buy a D4 and stop complaining.
              It is very interesting that everybody else know what other people need and want.

              Good for me, saves me a lot of money right now…

              If you are an non PRO photographer you really think twice to buy a D4 for about 5.5k Euros and
              a few years later is nothing worth anymore. Thanks, have done that with the D2X before – good glas keep their value for a long time.

            • KnightPhoto

              Anyhow, I’m not nearly so pessimistic as some here about how Nikon has “caused their own doom” LOL 😉

              Sure some D700 holdouts have mentally painted themselves into a corner, but it’s possible EXPEED4 will allow Nikon to be able to release more cameras with higher fps, which seems to be a sticking point with some of these folk. I.e. there is a demand for small-bodied high fps D400 and D750’s.

              In my local shop the other day, the knowledgeable young guy at the counter rattled off a whole laundry list of reasons he sells way more Nikon’s than Canons:
              – better quality and more mp;
              – better DR and high ISO;
              – better equivalent features than Canon (e.g. D610 vs. 6D) at many of the price brackets.
              Anyhow he went on, and his point was, he sells more Nikons.

              Absolutely yes we are at a serious crossroads in the imaging industry, no doubt about that, but many posters here are way over the top in terms of causes and finding fault. It’s not that tough to find a great Nikon camera at each level of the lineup from Nikon 1 through DX and FX. Could they be better, absolutely, but the current lineup isn’t the disaster that some here would have us believe. Hand a good photographer any of these cameras and they can get the job done.

          • KnightPhoto

            I guess the interesting question is – what has sold more units – D700 or D800? That would indicate which is the better strategy for Nikon 😉

            With EXPEED4 it is possible we will see some D800-sized 24mp 8fps camera in 2014. But not sure if that sensor can do more than 6fps at 14-bit, I am not aware of any examples of it doing 8fps.

            You’ve got your two cameras with the D4 sensor to choose from, now pick your poison, can’t imagine a THIRD camera coming out with that sensor!

        • skeptical

          Canon 5d mk3 is the D700 replacement. I just went with the X-Pro 1 instead.

          Give my post a negative rating.

          Haters gonna hate.

          • sperdynamite

            You are actually correct sir. 5D3 is everything the D800 should have been. Or they should at least have done D800H/X.

          • Simba

            5d3 cannot do 8 fps with grip, which is great for sport photography.

            • Jacob

              and the D800 can? Or are you saying the D700 can do 8fps with grip?

            • desmo

              most sport photogs shoot D3/D4 or 1D (whatever)

          • De Mentia

            Because people don’t agree with your comment they instantly become “haters?” What a cop out. If you can’t take disagreement, don’t post. Simple.

            • Dpablo unfiltered

              Oh, I have no problem admitting that I hate Canon. The only thing worse than it is the eggheads who come on here and pretend they can’t tell the difference in the garbage that is produced by the one…
              Sometimes I think it would be worth it to register, just so I could provide another down vote.

          • Aldo

            5d mk3 is the 5d mk2 replacement 😛

          • Anónimo

            So it seems you also need to go to another IP address where you can find your loving ones… 🙂

          • Jacob

            I almost switched for the 5dmk3… just thought its a bit silly to change all my lenses just yet – will wait for a few more years – but Canon is the way to go right now.

        • fjfjjj

          Sorry, but the D600 is the D700 replacement, the D7000 is the D300 replacement, and the D800 is the D3x replacement. Welcome to the new Nikon.

          • outkasted

            damn ya cute when ya mad

          • Andrew

            You have waxed poetic. May I add that 2014 is the 2013 replacement?

          • Aldo

            d700 replacement after 1k shots 307XXXX US serial number. http://www.flickr.com/photos/89218327@N06/11090882235/

            • Aldo

              I have to say the d800 sensor is sharper… even at 20mp setting vs 24mp of the d600… d600 handles low light better though.

          • Spy Black

            Hopefully no one’s ever asked you for directions…

        • Jacob

          You are joking right? The D700 was a down-sampled D3. I.e. smaller, not as quick (but still fast), and same megapixel in the sensor.

          There is no little brother of the D4… that would be the repalcement.

          As of now you have a massive oversized (in terms of megapixel) camera – the D800, which is slower than the D700, and creates massively sized images. Or the D600 which is still larger in megapixel, within an amateur body (dials missing) and the auto-focus array of a DX camera, which means it squeezes all points into the middle.

          Both are no replacement of the D700. If anything the Df is a replacement because it has the sensor of the D4. BUT it’s so retro styled that it doesn’t cater for the needs of a photographer (dials from the 70ies instead of proper digital dials, and square shape doesn’t fit hand). I’m not saying they should’ve brought out a retro camera for all those rich bankers that think they are photographers (would help the stock price), but as of now they haven’t catered to the needs of a large chunk of their professionals: D700 users and D4 users (who are desperately looking for a D4X).

          Thanks Nikon.

          • desmo

            you forget the D700 came out after the D3 ,along with the release of the D3s(a better sensor than the D3)
            so by the time it was released it’s sensor was obsolete compared to the D3s

          • Bill Ferris

            So, the D600 can’t replace the D700 because….
            1) Its sensor has more megapixels than the D4
            2) It shoots about 6 frames per second
            3) It has two magnesium alloy plates and weather sealing.
            4) It has a 39-point AF system with multiple options for predictive focus in AF-C mode

            Photographers who’ve used the D600 to shoot sports have actually been impressed by its performance. If you’re looking for a body that delivers better high ISO performance and improved IQ over the D700, but the D4 is out of your budget, rent a D600 or D610 body for an event and see for yourself.

            • umeshrw

              Ergonomics? Does it not get a a say in what photographers need? Decently spaced AF module? Is it unimportant for pros? It is the sum of many features that made 700 a legend. 600/610 is not it. (sorry to go there but cannot stop myself from saying it… 600 made a legend out of itself but for all the wrong reasons)

            • Bill Ferris

              The ergonomics of the D600/D610 are very good. I’ve been shooting with the Velo battery grip and everything’s where I need it to be. Good weight, good balance. Feels great in my hands. The AF spacing is fine, a non-issue.

            • umeshrw

              I am not talking about balance and feel. The buttons and quick handling which are very important for pros.

        • umeshrw

          For me it is same as I do not need high FPS. Try selling 800 to birders or sports shooters as 700 replacement. Same way 7100 cannot replace D300 because of low buffer. One can live with less buttons or even lower build quality but not with low FPS. (I can as I do not shoot high speed. I do not require motor drive either. But I understand that other people do)

      • jim

        You want something the same as the D700? Get the D700. Or join the queue of people still waiting for a D80 replacement (Also a valid complaint)

        • orpickaname

          My great great grandfather agrees with you, here’s what he has to say to all the waiters, “Son, you better move on. I’ve been waiting for a true F3 replacements for decades now…”

          • Brett A. Wheeler

            It’s called the F5.

        • orpickaname

          My great great grandfather agrees with you, here’s what he has to say to all the waiters, “Son, you better move on. I’ve been waiting for a true F3 replacements for decades now…”

        • umeshrw

          Not same , similar but better or I wouldn’t be wanting D400 too.

        • 300mm f/4

          And the 300mm f/4 replacement

        • Skip the D400 go FX

          Skip the D400, just go FX. DX sucks.

      • Steve

        Jeez — I can’t keep quiet anymore. The D700 was a MISTAKE. It cannibalized D3 sales. Nikon is NOT going to make the same mistake and give you a D4 at a D700 price. If the “D700 replacement” is supposed to be a $3000 D4, don’t hold your breath.

        • umeshrw

          Better cannibalize your own sales than let somebody else do it. How many would have bought D3 if D700 had not been there? I certainly wouldn’t. On the other hand canon is not afraid to cannibalize 1D sales. They came out with 5D3. Dx series are bought by certain type of people. 1) those who need only that. 2) Those who want to show off. 3) Those who want to have only the best and have cash. And 4) Those who have cash.

    • Jon Ingram

      Oh, and while I’m at it, I’ll put in my own wishful-thinking request for a Nikon product: An ultra-light full frame body that I can use for backpacking/mountaineering with my super-light Af-D primes, maybe similar to the A7 but a few ounces heavier is OK to accommodate the f-mount and motor.

      • EJPB

        The problem is they chose the other way, bigger and bulkier. Technology flows in the other direction, smaller and more advanced. Sony and Fuji are presenting the future, that’s were Nikon als needs to go, by developing a better, more credible implementation of the mirror less concept. Nikon one is just not the system where many high end photographers are looking for and the Df is just as fake as it could be.

        • agree

          +1

          • desmo

            what planet do you people live on???

            F mount is the strength of the system

        • Brent

          There is no reason that Nikon can’t make a camera like the A7, with a new mount, using an adapter(with motor) for F-mount.

          • phil

            there is one: lack of balls

            Nikon demonstrated this very reason ever since MFT was launched.

      • Marijn

        Dude, you got yourself a Nikon DF right there.

    • banzaii

      Well said, Jon. It can also be Nikon making the wrong moves, or the consumers deciding that photography is not at the top of their list.

    • guest

      “D600 atrocity”

      =8^O

    • stormwatch

      “Consumer feedback is a good thing”…I agree with you, but this era just shows how some companies are still not bidirectionaly connected to the internet, even in 2013-2014…For example, that Nikon company, completely cut out from the real world…if they were running the internet for example, there would be no Wi-Fi connections, with video avoided as mostly as possible, RIP graphics would be the official rendering engine for browswe, and I can bet that BBS style forums would be presented as THE way to go.

  • Assaad

    Producing a D3300 will save the situation 😛

    • Sports

      Sad thing is, all of us knows it won’t, but Nikon believes it will.

      • Cyrille Berger

        They probably make more money with D3300 than with a D400. Not per-unit, but in total, definitely.

  • Fotoplay

    Their best selling camera model ever is/was D200/ 300 line. Good strategy coming out with a retro camera film guys will like and 97 different cool pix models. Or keep upgrading entry level dslr and leave your sweet spot in the market hanging. And they wonder why they can’t sell cameras.

    • rhlpetrus

      I think you should geet better sources for your info.

  • Gear_Junkie

    I’m sorry, but Nikon FULLY deserves this for their horrible customer service (in USA at least)… AND NO D400!!!

    • Ronan

      D7000 and D7100.

      Nikon already said the D300/D700 were a mistake.

      • Marcel Speta

        of course it was a mistake … from crippled marketing point of view – yes! But deffinitely great move from customer perspective 🙂
        I own both + D3s and they are my precious 😉

      • broxibear

        Hi Ronan,

        Do you have a link to the article or video where someone at Nikon states or hints “the D300/D700 were a mistake” ?
        I’m not questioning your post, I just haven’t seen or heard that before and would like to read what Nikon said.
        Thanks.

      • R!

        That is the mistake.

    • Guest

      In Canada as well.

  • Onnik James Krikorian

    Nikon haven’t given us an equivalent of a 5D MkIII or any real successor to the D700 and that’s a problem, I think. And no, the D800 — as good as it might be for some purposes — is not it. To be honest, I’m not as excited about the two top end models — D4 and D800 — as I was with the D3/s and D700. A 5D MkIII equivalent would change the situation — or even if they hadn’t omitted video in the Df.

    • Aside from the superior autofocus, and low-noise high-ISO (but soft) video, I really don’t see how the 5DmkIII is anything all that exciting.

      It’s just a better 5DmkII

      • Onnik James Krikorian

        Well. maybe that’s what I mean then. i.e. I actually want a better D700. For me at least, the D800 is not it, but others will disagree. As I said, I’d consider the Df, but not without video for that price. Should have had it *or* a lower price point, but even then not happy with the AF system. I understand why they “crippled” the camera to avoid hurting D4 sales, but surely the D4 sensor *and* D4 AF while omitting video would have been more convincing for that price? At the moment I can really only consider the D800 and D4 as an upgrade route, but the D800 is too much in some areas (megapixels) and not enough in others (fps). As for the D4, I just can’t justify the cost at present so I’ll probably have to consider a used D3s even at 12 megapixels.

        • That makes a lot of sense. For the 5DmkIII, Canon took a camera that people loved, addressed the few complains people had, and made some minor tweaks, and that was it.

          The D800 was more of a start-from-scratch revolution, a perfect studio camera, and the 600/610 is professional image quality with consumer construction.

          There is no tough, rugged, fast D700 successor.

          Nikon needs to just throw the D600 sensor in a D700 body with a D4 buffer / AF system, and Expeed 4 processor, and call it a day.
          If they released that, they’d win back a huge chunk of the market.

    • Kasponaut

      Sorry, but that is bull….

    • French Fries

      You clearly have never used a Canon.
      Soft focus video, poorer AF, less detailed pictures and horrible noise in the shadows. If that is what you expect from Nikon, you better go with Canon indeed.

      • Mansgame

        So why is Canon doing so much better than Nikon and people are buying their stuff?

        • ronadair

          “So why is Canon doing so much better than Nikon and people are buying their stuff?”

          Because Canon is a marketing machine first and always, and they excel in practicing marketing voodoo.

          And photographers are dumb chattel that eat that crap up because they can’t admit the machine is far superior to their own ability to get off the couch and make something worth looking at. It’s easier to buy into the hype and flaunt the most expensive gear (warm fuzzies every time I hear “oooh, wow, you’re so professional!”) than admit that my skill level is only equal to an overpriced $50 film camera bought at the local pawn store.

      • Onnik James Krikorian

        True. Last time I used Canon was for a year when the 20D came out. Have to say I’ll anyway stay with Nikon because (apart from that year) I always have (since 1997 at least) and am used to (and very happy with) the ergonomics.

  • JW

    Not surprising. I purchased glass in 2011 in anticipation of the D400. I have since spent the $$$ I put aside on a new big screen TV. I love my D7000 but the buffer is simply too small. If the D400 was out 2 years ago I would have purchased it and been ready for my next upgrade. So from one customer that is at least $4000+ Nikon has forgone and there are hundreds of sport/nature photographers like me on the forums.

    • Plug

      Add at least another $5000+ from me for the same sort of reasons.

  • Alessandro Casagli

    I will restore my respect for Nikon when they will actually start listening what people want, produce less consumer cameras and focus again on pro photogs, but not with Kutcher or half ass cameras like the DF.

    • tom

      There is a lot less money in Pro cameras then in the consumer cameras

      • Alessandro Casagli

        Whatever, money doesn’t buy my respect. Also, if there was such money in consumer cameras, why they’re having this problem now?

        • phil

          Because consumers don’t buy gear now. And if they do, Nikon does not offer them much.
          Cellphones have reached or surpassed Coolpix P&S, MFT cameras have reached the IQ of DX (any difference is not really noticeable), while having the same size as Nikon’s inferior N1 system.
          Nikon keeps launching the same products every year, just adding a 100 to the name and 2 extra features.

      • nick

        But it is not the same with lenses.

    • Guest

      If manufacturers did everything their consumers wanted, they’d go broke. The company has 15 DSLRs for sale at many price points. How many more niches do you want to them to hit?

  • intopix

    No wonder. They have no vision and are becoming a a laggard in photo technology, resting on their laurels and ignoring customers’ needs.

  • nawab

    the remedy………………….
    1. offer products that people really want instead of Df’s and CX lineup (where are the D400, D4x and successor of D700?)
    2. avoid over pricing products
    3. invest in cell phone cameras, or better still put a phone in your cameras. This will feed R&D for DSLR like the coolpix.

    • neonspark

      1) when those are out, you’ll just whine about replacements for the D800, D7100, etc. never ends.
      2) will you buy crap?
      3) pffffff

      • umeshrw

        As for one that is bound to happen but not too soon. For second point the real issue is that nikon IS overpricing products lately and they have abundantly made it clear why. Atleast they give quality for overprice unlike Canon . (So you win). For third +1.

        • stormwatch

          What quality is Nikon giving lately? If there is a scale for the quality of problems, surely it’s a high quality company.

          • umeshrw

            I am talking about build quality which surely is better for nikon than canon for equivalent products. Of course the QC problems are there which is a sad thing.

    • Rhys

      3) Yep, I said that years ago.

    • Andrew Hollywood

      I want CX lineup.

  • Gjergji Bullari

    I think it serves them right. I’m a Nikon user but maybe this will make them aware that the competition is not waiting for them to catch up.

  • catfish252

    Not surprising considering some of the decisions I’ve seen them make as far as their marketing and product development, time for new leadership at Nikon. I pray the new leader if there will be one has a customer first attitude, Nikon has never had a global attitude, they have tried to keep their Japanese traditions and that’s fine at home but it doesn’t work anywhere else. it would be a welcome change.

  • stormwatch

    Man, but what did they really expect? The only camera with Wi-Fi and GPS built in is the D5300…camera that came at the end of 2013. They shoud had it in D90 already, and that was in 2008. Then, flaw after flaw…SB 910 is the repaired SB 900, D610 is the repaired D600, D7100 is the repaired D7000, for D800 there is still no repair, and with this results, who knows if the Nikon would live enough to make a repaired version of it. Instead of orienting themselves completely, but COMPLETELY on the younger generations of photographs and videomakers, they made a Df…MAN!!!!!!!!!!! What a funny, ugly, overpriced and useless joke in 2013-2014…yes…profis and photo purists really like when you reach for the battery compartment in order to change the SD card…..Nikon is probably a new Commodore, it was not so long ago, that a company who was the ultimate leader in home computing made two bad moves and they were history….but Nikon is making mistake after mistake in 5 years long span…how much will that cost?

    • Skewer

      “What a funny, ugly, overpriced and useless joke in 2013-2014” LOL. I cannot agree with you more!

    • Ronan

      I’v had 3 SB-900’s, professional usage, no issues. What’s wrong with them??? Best flash in the market.

      Df already sold out everywhere… pre-orders are FULL… So i guess the amount of people that can afford it, is more than what Nikon is producing. That’s a win for Nikon.

      Younger generation shoots Nikon D5k and D3k. I see them here all the time + tourists. Or they shoot the equivalent from Canon. Around 80-85% of them here are like that, it’s RARE to see a M43 and it’s usually an older owner.

      • I also have a few SB-900s, and the “problem” with them isn’t something that bothers me one bit.

        The SB-900s have an overheating issue. They get too hot, then automatically shut down to prevent damage, and only turn on again when they have sufficiently cooled. It’s either running at 100%, or it’s completely disabled.

        The SB-910 fixes the overheating issue by slowing down it’s recycle rate when it starts to get kinda warm, so it never shuts down entirely, it just recycles at a much slower rate until it cools off, then it speeds back up again.

        Other flash units just get too hot, and if you keep going they burn out.

        • Ronan

          Jesus… how do you overheat a SB-900? Are they putting a black cloth on top of it and shoot full-auto until it auto-shut off???

          I’v done sport with it and never had one overheat… even in hot temperature… Then again i know how to use my gear…

          • I’ve never had an issue with them either, but other people seem to, so that means I can get some cheap secondhand 900’s as they jump for the 910’s.

            It’s a win-win for me and for Nikon.

          • stormwatch

            I can see that you didn’t do a lot with SB900….picture this…mid July, 38C outside and around 45C in warehouse where the shooting is done….normally SB900 cut’s out after 20-25 shoots, where SB-800 works without a glitch for hours.

          • Mansgame

            They do photography with it. something you know little about.

      • stormwatch

        Please, SB900 overheating issue is a popular and a well known problem. The only flash that never let me down is really THE best flash ever made – SB 800, some of them have more than 200.000+ discharges without a second spent in service. Speaking about pro Nikon flashes…

      • Mansgame

        lol troll. sb-900 was famous for overheating. It caused the price of used D800’s which used to sell for $350 new, to jump up to $600 on ebay. Sure they came out with a firmware update that kind of fixed it but it would still shut down. SB-910 does not.

      • neversink

        Where did you here Df sold out.. That would be good news for Nikon.

    • umeshrw

      D7100 is the repaired D7000- Why do you think so?
      For D800 there is still no repair? You should keep abreast of the news more often. With this results, who knows if the Nikon would live enough to make a repaired version of it.- You don’t like D800 result? What do you like then? MF back?

      • stormwatch

        Sorry but it’s a fact. D800 focus issues are the well known “glitch”, and Nikon did almost nothing to improve their reputation on giving it’s customers a hard time. Maybe you over there in USA have really good authorised services but here in Europe there is a completely different story.

        • umeshrw

          I live in India and even here they have trained their engineers to correct focus issue perfectly. And they have been doing it since a long time now. I do have two leftmost points faulty. I just don’t need to correct them desperately nor have time to go there. But I asked them and they are capable of repairing it. In fact another guy I know got his 800 repaired successfully. You are right though in saying that nikon did nothing their rep but atleast they didn’t give the customers hard time (like 600).

          • stormwatch

            Why do You say “even here” in India? It’s a country with over 1 billion people, their service has to perfom superbly on the big markets like that, but moreover, they have to perform on ANY market like that, no matter how big or small it is.

            • umeshrw

              I agree with you that they should but they don’t . Sadly in India very few multinationals care to give attention. Certainly people in countries like US are catered to with priority. It is as if they do not think that giving bad service or pricing the products higher or not giving any discounts would not matter as there are enough buyers in india.

  • José Soriano

    If they keep releasing amateur entry level cameras they will keep losing clients. They forgot professional photographers

    • Ronan

      Nikon D4, Nikon D3x, Nikon D800, Nikon D800E, you can also fully deliver to your clients with a Nikon D600, Nikon D610, Nikon D7000 and Nikon D7100.

      Back then we had ONE professional camera choice. You have: 8.

      • Mansgame

        except they completely lost their semi-pro customers who got the D600 last year and would have upgraded to the D800 / D4 replacement when the time came. Once a company essentially steals $2000 from you by giving you a lemon product and not fixing it, you’re not going to give them $3000 the next time.

        • Bill Ferris

          No question, Nikon botched their response to the D600 shutter problems. Anyone who’s purchased a D600, experienced the oil splatter and has not had it repaired to their satisfaction has every right to feel ripped off. That said, there are a lot of D600 owners who have not been plagued by this problem and a new community of D610 owners who are also not suffering through that. These photographers are nothing but impressed by the incredible value in pro performance these bodies deliver at substantially savings over fully-professional bodies.

          Nikon should be leveraging this by creating a public forum where photographers can share their success stories using entry level full-frame Nikon bodies to take great photos.

          They should also offer D600 owners who’ve sent their cameras in on multiple occasions for service either a free shutter replacement or a straight exchange for the D610. Whatever the initial cost, it would be much less than the lost revenues they’ll experience if every dissatisfied D600 owner leaves for Canon and never comes back.

    • phil

      professional photographers have all the gear they need – a D4 and a D800.
      It’s the consumers that make all of Nikon’s the revenue, not pros.
      And Nikon failed to produce anything interesting for them.

  • Two hugely embarrassing quality problems that they refuse to acknowledge. No spiritual successor for neither D700 nor D300 plus over-investing in MILCs, what do they expect?

    • Oh, I forgot about the SB-900. Make that THREE embarrassing quality problems.

  • Reza Evol

    Just a hypothetical question,
    If Nikon went under, would my line up of 1.4 nikon glass be worth more, the same or less?

    • I’m asking myself EXACTLY the same question.

    • French Fries

      It doesn’t matter, your camera probably won’t stop working the day Nikon goes broke and spare parts will be available probably for a long time to go.

    • Mansgame

      That’s my worry too. I’ve spent many thousands of dollars.

    • Jon Ingram

      Answer: IF Nikon went under, there would be a huge initial burst in demand, causing your gear to be worth a lot for a period of time due to other photographers wanting to get all the Nikkor glass they can so they can keep shooting Nikon. However, after some years the demand will decrease due to large numbers of photogs jumping to other companies (no predicting how long it would take for this to happen). After this happens, only the most valuable, rare, or “collectible” lenses will be worth more than original purchase value. The best strategy for making $ in a situation like this is to predict which lenses will hold value after the market shifts, sell all the other lenses during the initial spike, and hold on to those special ones (usually ones with extremely high quality, high price, and low amount produced -ie if Nikon went bankrupt next year and stopped production of the 58mm, it would be worth WAY more in the long run).

      That being said, this will never happen because at the very least another company would by out Nikon and continue making f-mount glass and cameras.

  • Espen4u

    Time to bring in some european or amercian management, to shake things up a little. Just like Oly did, and now they have the OM-D E-M1.

  • Davis5

    a lot of WRONG product:

    1) nikon D600
    2) Nikon series 1 without RAW files
    3) Price of an Underwater against GOPRO?

    • Bill Ferris

      The D600 is a fantastic product that suffered from poor quality control. The D610 is the best value on the market for pro and advanced amateur DSLR shooters. It delivers IQ comparable to the best pro DSLR bodies on the market at a substantial discount. It is a great all-around performer. Portraits, landscapes, action, wildlife…the D610 can be used to shoot any subject and will deliver outstanding results.

    • V1 has RAW.

    • Thom Hogan

      Nikon 1 cameras can shoot NEF (raw).

      Not sure what you mean about “price of an underwater.” A Coolpix AW110 is less than a GoPro and includes GPS and a zoom lens. An AW1 is an interchangeable lens camera with a far larger sensor and better underwater performance than a GoPro. Also “price” does not equal “wrong product.” You could have two identical products in specification but different in quality that are priced different. We can argue about whether Nikon is doing what it takes to be the highest cost provider if you’d like.

      • DaveyJ

        Go Pro cameras are selling so well it is unbelievable. Why? Quality in relation to price. Also pretty darn tough!
        I looked at the Nikon 1 AW 1 and then went out and bought another Go Pro. I do own 20 Nikons and believe they are GREAT. But the Nikon 1 AW 1 just isn’t compelling enough to get UW users to go out and try one. When I would have BOUGHT one they were temporarily out of stock just before leaving for Belize.

        • neversink

          Go Pro does not equal quality. It is about convenience.

      • catinhat

        Just quoted your D2X review above, perhaps you may want to comment on that.

  • Mandrake

    Maybe they should stop telling people “impact damage” and honor the warranty of their products.

    • Mansgame

      Yeah I lost that battle too with a lens. impact damage without a single mark on the lens or me remembering dropping it.

    • Guest

      They have used “user error” too, when even the rep. couldn’t demonstrate how to “properly” use the camera the negate the problem.

  • Kyle

    I’m not surprised too. Looking back what they released to the market is a proof. CX format is a big joke for mirrorless community. Df is another ridiculous combination of retro and modern style with overpriced tag. They have a serious problem in their marketing or product planning team.

  • Aaron

    I’m blaming it on Ashton Kutcher. 🙂

    • broxibear

      But Aaron you’re missing the hidden meaning…

      Ashton Kutcher advertises Nikon…Ashton Kutcher plays Steve Jobs in film…Nikon on the verge of bankruptcy is bought by Apple.
      Shhhhhhhh…don’t tell anyone…it’s still a secret.

    • sperdynamite

      You’re not far off. The coolpix cameras are never as good as competitors, they only sell based on price. And as new and interesting models come out from Sony, Panasonic, Canon…Nikon keeps repeating the same mistakes. Why make the Nikon One which everybody hates, when you could make the RX100 which is nearly universally praised? Grow. Some. Balls. (and fire your designers).

  • Pete

    It’s time to stop conservative marketing Japanese style.

  • pd956

    One thing Im shure … let the admin make a post or a poll in this page ,… about complaintment.. lets see how much people agree , finally send to nikon to see if they care their loyal customer !!!

  • RMFearless

    As the owner of nikon d600, I can say they got what they deserve!

    • Mansgame

      Yes they do. I can’t wait till they start laying off the people who were telling me my camera had no issues when I called them after first discovering the issue.

  • pd956

    I always visit this blog hoping to read for a replacement for my d700, im very sad ,, but i dont like any other brand … so we need to do something. My family depend from my photography…. really need a change about nikon , please people be constructive.

    • Joseph

      This is a ridiculous post.
      There is a D700 replacement…it’s called the D800. Buy one. Enjoy it. It is the pinnacle of SLR-style cameras right now.

      Don’t like 36mp? Tough, it’s really not that big of a deal. Buy an extra couple 2TB drives for $200 and call it a day. If you can afford a $3,000 camera, you can afford a $1,000 computer that will eat those files for lunch.

      Still don’t want to go that way? Then buy a couple more D700’s. They are plentiful, even mint/unused on eBay and the like. Do you really need to deliver images over 12mp? Are your clients demanding you use a newer camera? (If so, get better clients.)

      As a ‘professional,’ you should know better. Your photography isn’t going to change much with a newer camera, so why the whinging? So keep doing what you are doing with whatever tools are appropriate.

      • umeshrw

        I don’t understand .You posted that you keep visiting blogs for news of 700 replacement. And then you say all this? Btw all your points are valid except for ” 800 is replacement for 700″. You can overcome all problems except low frame rate . ( I don’t need frame rate so I don’t care but many of them do)

    • Ronan

      If you are shooting professionally, why haven’t you switched to the D4? It will do the job for high-iso/fast shooting. If you own a studio, then you shouldn’t be shooting with a D700, but a D800…

    • catinhat

      What’s so wrong with your D700 that it needs a replacement. What are you missing exactly?

      • Mansgame

        Nothing lasts for ever. 12 MP’s is considered low now days for people who frame pictures. Magazines also want 300 DPI which makes 12 MP cameras off limits often especially if cropping is involved. Even the D7100 has better high ISO performance then the D700 now. This isn’t 2008.

        • catinhat

          Hardly, I’m very familiar with the D700 and D7000, and D700 is better, while AFAIK D7100 is not a meaningfully better high ISO camera than the D7000, although it does have a better AF.

          You may find this quote from Thom Hogan’s review of the D2X enlightening, amusing, entertaining, or just bizarre (pick whatever fits best):

          “…the D2x is more camera than many amateurs can handle–they simply don’t have the shot discipline (or the lenses) to get all the bits of resolution of which the camera is capable (pardon the pun). Pros shooting for large formats may find a deeper discussion of resolution slightly useful, but when I have to get out a magnifying glass to examine differences printed at 13×19″ on my Epson 2200, I think that we’re beyond the point where 90% of the market will find that discussion useful. For the pros: you’ll need Nikon’s best lenses to fully achieve what the D2x is capable of capturing, and, yes, we really are in the realm of better-than-35mm resolution.” (http://www.bythom.com/d2xreview.htm)

          Now, he is talking about a 12MP camera here, not a D800, but I personally believe that what Thom wrote back then is still very true. Nikon et. al. of course want you believe that you need 36MP for best quality, and next year it will be 48 or 54, or some other large number. The problem is, as Nikon’s sales results show, that a lot of people are not buying into it, and, consequently, not buying as many new cameras as Nikon wants. They also want you believe that high ISO and insane DR is all that really matters about a camera, while in the process sacrificing the low ISO color fidelity they used to have. Maybe nobody noticed, but some may not buy for that reason alone. I know that for color fidelity D7000 was a huge stop down from the previous models, but if all you care is high ISO, then it’s great. And, as far as the sensor, the D800 is just a D7000 scaled to FX.

        • T53

          I just did a magazine shoot with the D700 which of course required 300dpi. If you know what you are doing and plan your shots, 12 mp is quite enough but for me 36mp is too much. Files are too big. My ideal D700 replacement would be the D4 sensor in a rugged pro body, and two card slots. 8fps would be nice but 6 would do for what I do. The Df is pretty close but I’m not sure about its practicality as regards controls and ergonomics.

      • Guest

        I guess he wants a heavier, larger, more expensive single card slot and 95 per cent view finder. You know, all of those incredible ‘advantages’ of the D700.

    • neversink

      Get real. Get the D4 or the D800. The D800 is the replacement for the D700. More dynamic range, less noise and 3 times the megapixels of the D800. It is an incredible camera which I use along side the D4. And yes, I use it for action shots as well. Not as fast as the D4 in fps, but 4.5 frames per second was good enough for me when I was shooting photojournalism with an F and F2 with motor drives and no auto focus.

      • T53

        I recall a quote from Nikon saying that the D800 was/is NOT a replacement for the D700. Frankly, I think the Df is about the closest thing to a replacement for the D700 as we’re gonna get.

  • WAlfaro

    As everyone has said, Nikon needs a turn over, and bring all they have. It seems to me that all these years they have been holding up their technology and just have given us the customers their best in drops. Why not D400? Why not USB 3.0 in all cameras? Why not professional DX? Who dictates that a line of DX can not be professional (especially for nature photography)? Why is that Nikon 1 series cannot have continuous focus with the adapter to fx lenses? What are their fears? Why limiting the cameras capacities so much? Same to lenses prices… For instance, Olympus comes with a little OM-D E-M1 that is amazing, and for natures photography it has a 2x sensor. There is a consumer’s market out there waiting to be heard. The Df just reflects the “traditionalism” that is in the head of the Nikon Corp- they need new people, new CEOs, younger ideas. I am sorry but the Df was made for themselves.

    • Anonymous Coward

      Nikon fixed the continuous focus issue with the FT1 adapter with a firmware update for the V1. Still, however, limited to the center focus point.

  • Marc

    As a former Canon DSLR user, switching to Nikon 4 years ago was at the time the best decision for my photography needs at the time. This latest news however does cause concern about the long term viability of Nikon as it is today.

    I am not against the Df per-se, I can see how it has a place in the market for Nikon, however at that price point and with more pressing needs from photographers, it does seem like poor judgement.

    It’s also worth highlighting here, that a considerable portion of Nikon’s revenue comes from outside the DLSR business, in the compact camera business, which is facing very stiff competition from new market players, namely in smart phones and other GoPro style cameras. For many people in this market, why buy an additional compact camera that doesn’t offer anything significantly more than the smartphone already in their pocket? Nikon needs to innovate around this; offer something compelling, or accept it is not a market it wants to be in and focus elsewhere.

    I am certainly hoping to see Nikon get past this lull, as I have no desire to be left with lots of Nikon glass and potentially no way to upgrade camera bodies in the future.

    My wish list?

    – a smaller form factor body (think 1 series) with DX/FX sensor to compete better against the new Sony Alpha 7/7R

    – a replacement for the D700, perhaps as a smaller camera to the D4. Something along the lines of the D400 everyone has been calling for.

    – more competitive pricing across the product range; just look at the latest Df or 58mm 1.4 offerings; these are tailored to a small market. Lovely bits of kit don’t get me wrong… but how many of these do they expect to sell at those prices?

    Come on Nikon – we are all here waiting…

    • phil

      Nikon has never launched a product with a price below the general expectations. It’s always 40% above what most people predicted. This overcharging has gotten out of control.
      Compare this to Sigma – they create a first ever F1.8 zoom lens and sell it for $870. If it was made by Nikon, we would expect it to cost $1500 and Nikon would actually launch it with a $1800 price tag. Ridiculous.

      • Guest

        Don’t you remember the D800? People were floored by the low price when it came out.

      • stormwatch

        If it was made by Nikon, that Sigma 18-35 would cost minimum 2000$ and perform much worse…

    • R!

      you switched backworth,I’m switching Nikon to Canon right now keeping my F6 FE and D300s with only AFD & AIS lenses only ,saling my plasticy AFS.
      That’s PURE photography right there!!!!
      Buying the best and selling It when something better is out!
      Photography is about pictures not gears.

  • Bill Ferris

    With the 2014 Winter Olympics coming up in just over two months, Nikon needs to do whatever it takes to get their cameras and lenses in the hands of pro sports shooters, travel and street photogs with large online followings–basically, anyone who will be in Sochi, Russia next February and whose work will either be picked up by major sports news outlets or seen by a large social media audience–and then provide these photographers an open forum where they can share their images and report their experiences with great freedom. The best way for Nikon to rehabilitate their brand, is to create a forum for people whose work and opinions are respected to give open, honest feedback on Nikon products.

    Of course, this strategy will only happen if A) Nikon’s upper management can admit to themselves that the Nikon brand has taken a significant hit and B) they’re willing to gamble their careers on the quality and performance of their products.

  • Bill Pahnelas

    somehow, i get the feeling these stock exchanges are out of touch with reality. nikon may deserve its lackluster share price, but the rest of the market may be engaging in a bout of that “irrational exuberance” that crashed the system in 2008. i’ll take a staid, reliable company any day.

  • BetaHal

    This is what Nikon needs: A full frame mirrorless camera, with in body stabilization and F-Mount. Make it a whole series, going from amateur to pro cameras. Some people still don’t know why they’re going to NEED these, but believe me, they would buy them in spades.

    • Mike

      I wouldn’t. No matter how fast EVFs get, you’re seeing the world after the fact. I’m quite happy with OVF.

      • BetaHal

        On the contrary, with an EVF you can see much better before taking your picture that with your old, untrusty OVF. Color balance, exposure, focusing, all the things that matter are much better controlled with a good EVF (with focus peaking, please!)

        • Mike

          Really? You’ve had problems with this? To each their own. OVF will always be real time.

          • BetaHal

            Evfs are fast enough. Much faster than, let’s say, autofocus or your brain giving orders to your finger. Yet we all learn to assume all those little delays and end up playing in sync with our subject.

            • UA

              EVFs have three major probelms:
              1) they consume huge amount of battery, because they are a screen, which is on

              2) they consume huge amount of battery, because they need the sensor on
              3) they consume huge amount of battery, because they need the processing on

              Also, they are sluggish and the AF is not good (well, these will eventually get better, I hope)

        • Bob

          I’m not going to debate which is better because it’s apples and oranges. I will, however, say that I’ll NEVER, EVER buy a professional camera with an EVF. Did I mention NEVER!?

          • Jon Ingram

            I wouldn’t mind one of each… keep the large full frame with OVF for event photography and use the small mirror-less with EVF for mountaineering and for pics of the family.

            • BetaHal

              * sigh *

          • Guest

            Don’t say never too soon.

      • BetaHal

        And why of all things should I need a sensor-sized mirror banging my camera the precise moment of taking a picture?

        • joakim

          Because no matter how good an evf is, it can’t be as good as your own eyes. it add delay, noise, false colors, false dynamic range etc. Evf stream is an (manufacturer dependant) interpretation of the scene, an ovf is the scene straight to your eyes. Plus, ovf consume no battery.

          • BetaHal

            With a good evf you will see the signal to noise ratio, colors and dynamic range that your camera is able to reproduce. Your eyes are good at what they do, but they won’t ever let you preview your final image as well as an evf will do. And, remember, in photography previsualization is a must.

    • phil

      yep, Nikon needs just that, but without the freaking F-mount.
      Consumers don’t really want an extra 3cm of air.
      You might want that, people with a lot of Nikon lenses might want that, but those who determine in the end whether a system is succesfull or not – really DONT want that.

      • catinhat

        The freaking F-mount is the main thing keeping Nikon in business. That’s why they stressed their commitment to F-mount by releasing Df which takes pre-Ai lenses, not that too many people care about pre-Ai lenses, but it is an important statement in and of itself.

        • phil

          ..and keeping people away from Nikon..
          Df is a flop. It’s a Nikon V2 all over again.

        • Mansgame

          That was why I chose Nikon. The ability of my lenses to continue working.

    • Mansgame

      That’s what the Df should have been.

      • If the Df was mirrorless, I wouldn’t have bought it.

        • phil

          If the Df was mirrorless, there would be 50 buyers for every single InTheMist that bought the current Df.

  • rhlpetrus

    Camera business is on a big sour period, it’s not about this or that model or problem. Despite the forecast cuts, they are still doing better than other camera businesses, but they don’t have much else to get support from in this bleak period. Oly, tgat some below says is sonsmart, woukd have filed for bankruptcy if not for Sony’s help. Panny is on shambles overall, Canon is likelybthe healthiest ofcsll, but theybare also very conservative. So folks, please do a little homework before compkaining about Nikon’s policies. No new model or better customervservicecwoukd have out them in a much better situation.

    • rhlpetrus

      Sorry for so many typing mistakes, it’s this d@mn virtual keyboard!!

    • phil

      Nikon’s problem is the lack of innovation.
      Look at Sony’s A7(R). Those are the most exciting cameras in the last 10 years of digital photography. When was the last time that Nikon did something extraordinary ?

      • ronin

        Nikon is profitable selling photo equipment. Sony is not. You can ‘innovate’ yourself into oblivion.

        • phil

          actually the Sony camera division was profitable in 2012 (34 bilion Yen)

  • neonspark

    this means buy!

    • Guest

      And lose your pants.

  • rich

    dslr market is just leveling off. Doesn’t mean people aren’t buying dslr anymore or switching all to milc. Example. 5 people bought dslr last year, nikon expected 6 or 7 next year. In reality only 5 will buy next year so they dropped their expectation down like 25% to 4-5. Dslr market is saturated, and most people (mass market consumer) hold onto their camera for 2-4 years. Nikon needs to sell more accessories or lenses.

    For me, who will buy a new camera less then 2 years, another dslr isn’t needed. I need something different like a A7 or x-pro to get me to buy a new camera. Got 3 dslr in 6 years and they are just the same. Do Like the Df, but not paying that much for nikon profit, they can sell it for 2200-2400 I will pick one up. I don’t mind a smaller milc that has a larger sensor and not a p&S interface.

    • Mansgame

      Canon and Sony are selling their cameras.

  • Spy Black

    Let’s see how things look like in 6 months.

    • VikingAesir

      If they don’t release more interesting gear at more reasonable prices things will only look worse in 6 months.

  • Ric

    Crap, now my camera takes 23.6% less pictures. I’m switching!!!!!!!
    🙂

  • Rhys

    Don’t worry the DF will save the day with it’s ‘high margins’.

  • Marc Beckerman

    No big surprise here. Nikon is just not getting it. When the D600 was announced, to be the full frame camera for the masses, Nikon priced the D600 way too high. To be the full frame camera for the masses, the D600 needed to be priced no higher than $1,200 (USD). Instead, Nikon priced the D600 at about $2,000, making it NOT the full frame camera for the masses. And then there were issues with oil and dust spots after the D600 was released.

    Before that, there was the D800 fiasco. The D800 is a great camera; when it is working properly. However, many (early) D800 cameras had the well discussed focusing issue, along with other problems. Nikon refused to acknowledge and repair such problems. Accordingly, those of us sitting on the fence regarding possibly purchasing a D800/e just didn’t.

    More recently, the D3200, D5300, D7100 have represented only very small evolutionary upgrades from prior versions. There really has been no compelling reason to buy any of these cameras if one already owns a prior version.
    So, over priced products, defective products, poor customer service, uninspired product updates, etc., and Nikon ends up not making much money. Go figure.

  • joakim

    I’ll stop buying anything from nikon until they release a proper D700 successor. If it’s not happening, I’ll probably switch brand when needed. Simple as that;

    • SinkingShip

      The last Nikon camera that I bought was the D3s. And it might well be.

    • neversink

      It’s released. It’s called the D800 and it is great and so much better than the D700 which own and which I loved shooting with until the D800 came out. Get real. More dynamic range, less noise despite the 36mp. What more do you want?

      • Uknowtheanswer

        8fps

        • Andy

          Eight times 32 megs is 256 megabytes per second, or eight times 42 megs in 14-bit mode is 336 megabytes of data generated in a second.

          A burst would render the camera inoperable to you while it writes to the card. There’s a reason the D4 is ‘only’ 16 megapixel.

          • AgainUknowtheanswer

            Yep!
            A true D700 replacement would be 16mp/8fps. Same relationship to the D4 as the D3/D700 pairning.

            • Andy

              No True Scotsman fallacy. You ignore everything the D800 does better in favour of a single feature.

              Sorry. Have you forgotten that the D800 is actually less expensive than the D700 launch price. 99 per cent of the market agrees with the 800 and Nikon properly is chasing those dollars.

            • It’s What He Wants!

              A pair of corks for you as well, I think.

        • neversink

          That is total nonesense. The image quality is so much better on the D800 than the D700. I can live with it. If you need a machine gun spend your money on the D4

          • It’s What He Wants!

            Someone should give you a pair of corks for Xmas.
            ??
            Hint: one in each ear will stop the wind blowing through

            • neversink

              Thanks for your clever and humorless reply on why a D700 is better than a D800. Can you only insult because you realize that D700, although still a great camera, is old technology and the D800 leaves the D700 in the dust. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and uncorked some good wine.

            • It’s What He Wants!

              It wasn’t intended as humour.
              I was just maiking the point that the guy had simply given his answer to your question and that you responed had with total nonsense.

  • rt-photography

    it was inevitable. it was written on the wall.

    -Sigma/Tamron/Tokina stealing a huge share

    • joakim

      You can group it all under “overpriced products”. (Most) People aren’t that stupid.

      – they woudn’t be forced to buy off brand if nikon products where resonably priced. This is true for lens, grips, cameras
      – the QC is very true. I’ve no confidence in nikon after sale service

      The Df’s price / performance ratio is so bad. I don’t understand how people could be fooled to buy this camera, well, they must be dumb or have more money than common sense

      • rt-photography

        yes, youre absolutely right. it comes down to money and what worth for their hard earned cash people feel they are getting with the product.

        QC is down. CS is crap. so people are feeling they are paying too much for products that are not of quality.

        let me not start with the DF and 58 1.4. and overpriced camera with no features. and a plastic lens that is not significantly better than the 50 1.4G. why pay more. get the D800 and 50 1.4G.

        bottom line. its a crap economy. people have no money and nikon are greedy and asking for way too much. the trio lens mfr see this and are delivering kick ass products at much more tempting prices. no need to pay so much for a great flash or grip or even lens.

        Im happy though. when your pocket is hit, then you stand up and listen. theyve been sleeping in japan for too long. stock is down and they will have no choice but give people what they want.

        • guest

          People may not have money but they have credit. Nikon, et al want as much of that money as they can get before the various governments turn off the spigots.

      • Mansgame

        But when they do get a loyal customer who shells out over $2000 for the D600 and thousands of dollars in full frame lenses, don’t sweep up the dust under the rug. Admit fault.

      • lobsterhat

        The Df is basically jewelry for hipsters. I think they were trying to go the apple route with it and create the high end consumer perception of the DSLR as a luxury item since all the cheap stuff is being obsolesced by the cell phone industry (in the minds of the masses at least). In their defense it actually looks and (I presume) feels like more of a luxury item (it is the prettiest camera they have made in a long time) and with a D4 sensor in it the IQ is nothing to scoff at. They are going for psychological appeal. If your camera looks sexy, you get in a better mood when you pick it up, so maybe then you are more creative than the troll who keeps griping for a new bezier curved darth vader D400. The Df is for the consumer who wants a Porsche Boxster instead of a Mustang Cobra – it looks better with a suit. We are dorks; we know it isn’t REALLY the best camera in the world and we won’t buy it. But it isn’t made for us – its for your CEO who has a new hobby or some Ivy League fop with smart glasses and a typewriter at Starbucks.

        • stormwatch

          Df is surely meant to look posh and fancy, but something went very, but very wrong in that process…actually it reminds me very much of the Mazda 323f model from 80’s with those cheap pop up headlights…they nicknamed it here in Europe as a “Gypsie Porsche”.

    • Bill Ferris

      One could make the argument that Sigma, Tamron and Tokina lenses make products like the D600/D610 more attractive. It doesn’t describe every D6000/D610 owner, but many are photographers on a limited budget. Sigma, Tamron and Tokina make quality lenses that deliver images comparable to the best Nikkor lenses but at hundreds to thousands less in cost. How many D600/D610 owners made those purchases because aftermarket lenses allowed them to afford quality glass within a limited budget?

      • rt-photography

        Im certain there were tons who added more money and jumped to the D600/610 instead of the D7100 because they took into account that they could buy lenses by sigma tamron tokina and get into a FF package for much less than if they bought nikon lenses.

        the direction is that the trio mfr are bringing some fantastic lense to the market and one can get the “holy trinity” set for $3500 vs nikons $5300+ for the same equivalent focal range and IQ will be as stellar.

        I just think prices for lenses are WAY too high. and we can see that. no sales. 24% stock drop is HUGE!!

  • ronadair

    The stock market is a farce. And we let this virtual farce impose real-world consequences. Investors are idiots. Analysts are even more idiotic. It’s pretty sad, actually.

    • Mansgame

      THeir cameras suck lately. That’s all that matters.

      • ronadair

        So why are you here? Duh.

        • Freakyform

          Call me crazy but I’m guessing he likes their old ones and is hoping for better new ones.

        • Mansgame

          Because I own one of those sucky cameras called D600. It wasn’t always like this, my other older body was good 4 years ago. Still no dust in that one.

          • ronadair

            So dust makes an otherwise mind-bendingly incredible camera “sucky”? You’re speaking completely hyperbolically for effect since you’ve been personally (and unexpectedly) inconvenienced, right? Because I would bet dollars to doughnuts that this so-called sucky camera can do laps around your personal skill level. And no, I’m not bashing you, but rather referring to how not-suck that camera is.

            If you’ve got a fixed kit lens on the camera that never changes for 4 years, then yeah — you’ll not have a dust problem. But If you’re not needing to clean your sensor at least occasionally, then I have to wonder how qualified you are to be making such assessments in the first place.

    • T53

      The stock market is no farce, its a confidence game and right now investors who, by the way are not idiots, have little confidence in the company. Nikon’s handling of the D600 disaster is a case in point. As Thom Hogan wrote in one of his commentaries: ”

      What I fail to understand is Nikon’s behavior here. They have done
      the following by staying quiet about the D600 issues and trying to get
      around them by doing a sleight of hand with the D610:

      Eroded key customer confidence

      Devalued a product by their actions, which leads to:

      Lowered their product margins

      Added another lingering inventory problem, which also leads to lower profit margins”

      This is the kind of thing that tilts a company’s stock price and thus its valuation. It’s no surprise Nikon’s stock price is in the toilet. Nikon’s worst enemy is Nikon.

      • ronadair

        No, Nikon’s worst enemy is boob-sucking ingrates living in their parent’s basement who think a little excess oil on a shutter mechanism is a reason to take to the streets with facemasks and molotov cocktails. I shoot professionally and have had to clean my sensors ever since I picked up my first digital camera. And before that, I was hand-retouching out dust spots and scratches that were a fact of life when shooting film.

        Does Nikon need some help in the PR department? No question.

        Does Nikon need to adapt a little more quickly in some areas of their business? Sure.

        Does Nikon deserve to be castigated as the worst camera company in the world who’s cameras suck because they don’t release a full frame 150mp camera with 8k video and interchangeable sensors in a kit with an ED/Nano crystal coat 70-200 VRXX lens all for under $999USD? Yeah. Let’s burn them.

        People need to get real. And the stock market (and her idiotic analysts and yes, uninformed, greedy investors) needs to die so companies can stop making decisions based on the stock market and start making them based on long-term good of the company and customer. It’s not rocket science. That said, if you’re invested in stocks, then the old Upton Sinclair saying applies:

        “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

        • T53

          Regardless of what you think of the market, perception is reality and right now its costing Nikon dearly. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you about dirty sensors being the baggage that comes with a DSLR. I’m pulling for Nikon. I have a 40 year history with them. Perhaps the cratered stock price will wake them up particularly in the PR Department.

          • ronadair

            I’m glad you are willing to admit that the issue surrounding a lonely, out of place drop of oil is silly. Could one say “man, it was a little disappointing”, or “geez, that was kind of a pain”? Sure. But what’s happening instead is akin to a Salem witch trial. It’s ignorance at it’s finest, and it’s occurring at all levels of the market.

            That’s the reason I keep asserting that perception is NOT reality, but you’d be damned to find another sensible person in society today that will recognize as much, let alone admit it publicly.

  • Kevin

    It’s too bad. nikon makes great cameras despite the senseless comments I see here (ie. “If they built a DXX for me, and ME alone, the company wouldn’t be in this mess!” ).

    Hopefully they will start a new mainstream product line to support their dslr line!

    • NRA Advocate

      Solid reply, dude. 95% of the comment that came before you are from folks with no clue about cameras or the realities of the marketplace.

      People moving to mirrorless my ass!. DSLRs still outsell mirrorless by a factor of 10 to 20x…!

  • mirrorless

    Many times you need smaller and lighter and serious camera.
    Nikon does not have anything to that category, Thats why people are
    buying m43, nex … instead of Nikon. F-mount is not ideal for compact camera body..they need ‘S-mount’ (and ‘couple’ of new compact lenses) for small mirrorless cameras with AF-adapter from S to F-mount.

    • UA

      Mirrorless are crap. Buying NEX-6 in a hurry was my biggest mistake on camera purchases so far. I’d be happier with Nokia Lumia 1020 than any mirrorless, or capabilitieless, or nothing-works-really-fast-or-well-less. I mean, 400 photos per battery loading? The optics suck, and will suck, because squeezing a big sensor in short “throw” distance. Sensor has “buckets”, if you throw light at them in angle, they will not fall in correct bucket and you get smushy. Film did not have this problem. Nikon understands this problem and does not provide us crappy cameras. Alas, I am not a fan boy, I am just fed up with this mirrorless Sony NEX oh-lala hype from people, who do not own one, or do not use their cameras anything serious. OK, you might get nice landscapes with NEX, using an adapter and quality optics, but that’s it. No good for sports, no good for people, no good for weddings, no good for animals, no good weather proofing, no good battery lifetime etc.

      • BetaHal

        Make an F-Mount DX mirrorless, and the angle won’t change. Use the space where the mirror was to insert something like the metabones adapter, and/or some IS mechanism. You’ll get a truly awesome camera…

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      The D5300 is a tiny camera. It has the guts of the D7100 (the flagship DX camera , is that serious enough?). It works better than any mirrorless I’ve used and you can use small primes with it or a large aperture zoom if you want. Why does it HAVE to be mirrorless? The D5300 with a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 isn’t much bigger than a Fuji X-Pro1 with 35mm f/1.4

  • I AM UNMOVED

    Nikon’s “no D400” policy continues to bear fruit. Just imagine how bad the results would have been if the D300s had been replaced.

  • phil

    is that a surprise, when all the latest Nikon products were either bugfix editions (D610), or products aimed at 5 costumers worldwide (Df, AW1) ?

    • guest

      “costumers”!
      Beautiful. (I shoot Leica but even I can appreciate *that* mistake.)
      🙂

      • orpickaname

        I see nothing wrong with that word. That’s akin to “cosplayers” right? Right?

      • phil

        consumers + customers = costumers 🙂

        yes, it was a typo

  • R!

    TITANIC SYNDROME!!!!SINK SINK SINKON !!!!
    COME ON NIKON REBOUND GIVE US SOME REAL EXITING PRODUCTS WITH 4k TOUCH SCREEN UNDER 2000$ AND YOU’LL BE SAVED…
    …IF NOT YOU’LL SINK AND WILL END UP BEEING A SONY DEPARTMENT;
    I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT JUST FIRE SOME MARKETTING AND DEVELOPEMENT EMPLOYEES THAT DID NOT SUCCED OBVIOUSLY!

  • Tu Vinh Dong

    well their service sucks now everything is impact damage. never ever will i preorder anything from nikon.

  • roadie

    Two things they can easily do (no R&D, no retooling) to start turning things around:
    1) Update firmware frequently to fix problems AND add new features
    2) Admit mistakes, pass this attitude to their service department and fix the cameras without hassle

  • MIke

    Lucky the DF is to the rescue…. 😛

    • Mansgame

      har dee har har

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