A new Nikon D810S is a possibility

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I have been holding off this post for few weeks now, hoping to get some additional information. Well, I did not and since it has been very slow on rumors, I decided to post this anyway. As of today, take it with a grain of salt:

I received a tip that Nikon is working on a new D810s camera that should be announced soon (in the next few months). I do not have any details or specifications, but I am guessing that compared to the D810, the new D810s will have a better high ISO performance and maybe few other improvements. It seems that Nikon is not yet ready for a big jump to a D850/D900 camera which explains the different D8xx variations (D800/D800E/D810/D810A/D800S). They also know how to "squeeze" better ISO performance out of existing sensors, so a D810s makes sense given the current "wait and see" approach.

This information comes from a reliable source who previously told me about the D810 camera. Like I already mentioned I have not received any other D810s tips, which makes this rumor questionable.

Several companies are rumored to announce new products at or right before the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC (October 21-24). This is also the last chance for Nikon to introduce something new before the holiday shopping season. All this is just speculations - as of today I have not seen any indication of an upcoming product announcement.

If you have any information you would like to share, you can contact me anonymously here.

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  • Joe Prete

    Wait for a D810s1a, there’s not enough of these bodies in circulation yet

    • true

      or D810sex

      • Joe Prete

        Seriously, the D800 started out with some issues, and they were undecided regarding the Low Pass Filter (D800/800E), but with the D810 and the repairs of the D800’s in use, all was forgiven and they were on track with a very reliable camera, (plus the Astronomy Model), but now, would’t it make sense to start a new line with
        a D850 or D900? After all, there are other areas that Nikon has fallen behind in, like their aged Speedlight system, that is still using Infrared, while Canon has started building their Cameras & Speedlites with Radio transmission capabilities. I wonder why more people aren’t concerned about this, because it could be a substantial investment for those of us using multiple Speedlights. I would really like to know what direction they are headed. With 8 Speedlights and a Commander, I’m ready to start trading up, or selling them to upgrade!

        • VikingAesir

          If it’s a minor incremental upgrade a new “S” model right before the holiday buying season makes more sense than a major version number rev.

      • T.I.M

        If there is a D810sex then it will have to be protected again viruses and spits.

  • chrisgull

    There was another “D900” rumor going around some time ago, but it really just sounded like someone’s published wish list.
    That said, it wouldn’t surprise me if there was an incremental upgrade to the D810 that adds 4K video. That would be an enabler rather than a mere improvement, and would lead to substantial sales to videographers.

  • Justtakethepicture

    This makes no sense at all. The current D810 and D810A are still more than good enough (compared to the competition). I see no need whatsoever to release a stop gap model before the next major iteration of their high res beast.

    This rumour feels like heresay.

    • fjfjjj

      Are you aware that “prosumers” are overwhelmingly consumption-thrill-seekers who buy cameras based on factors like how recently they were announced? There’s no sense involved.

      By the way, it’s “hearsay” as in “I only said what I heard”.

  • Brett A. Wheeler

    I have just received word that a new Nikon D4XS is in the works. Can’t confirm it, but expect the new camera to have an ISO approaching 4,000,000, 36 frames per second, and a new faster auto-focus that can anticipate and focus on your subject based on your thoughts.

    • whisky

      that and lower taxes …

  • Jim Coarse

    For an D810s, I’d hope for better ISO in low-light performance and maybe an completely new Autofocus system. My AF has had some major issues.

    • VikingAesir

      And higher burst rates. Even another 1 or 2 fps would make the sports and wildlife shooters happy, or at least happier.

    • HF

      What kind of issues?

      • Jim Coarse

        I’ve done the AF tuning on all of my lenses. I’ll do a shoot and everything is perfect. The next day, same equipment and everything comes back out of focus. I’ll turn off tune and everything is perfect. I’ll have another shoot a few days later and will need to turn it back on. And I’m talking 6 lenses across the board.

        • HF

          Weird. I only experienced that when adjusting for outside (wedding) and then shooting the dance-floor in artificial and dim light. Otherwise consistency is very good for our D750 and D810.

        • JonasHaerter

          Thom Hogan said this may be a broken central body-structure of d800 that have fallen on mounted Optics. It may be broken just behind the sensor and the distance between your optic and sensor is changing.

          His words:

          I’ve also gotten a number of reports of dropped D800’s being determined by Nikon as “beyond repair.” This happens because a particular section on the back side of the metal frame breaks, and when it does, it would require complete teardown to parts and a complete rebuild from parts. Worse still, a broken frame can result in the sensor, lens mount, and AF system being misaligned, making the camera unusable as well as unfixable. This is the first time I’ve heard of Nikon’s metal framing ever breaking like this, and I know NikonUSA forwarded this information to corporate. Indeed, the D810 frame is thicker and takes less of a turn in this same area, so it seems clear to me that Nikon changed the design, and probably to avoid broken frames. Further, all of the D800 cracks are completely across the frame (separation), and all are in a small area just adjacent to a tight bend on a thin portion. It’s unclear to me how “force” could produce such a break, and it seems also clear that it would take a huge amount of force. I would expect that cameras with broken frames would show other damage, but that has not been the case in four of the broken frame complaints I’ve examined. In two, there seems to be no other damage.

          • Just dropped my D750 yesterday; there is DEFINITELY a crack in the rear magnesium frame.

            …Still focuses perfectly! 😛

            (I know, I know, it still needs to be serviced. 😉

        • fjfjjj

          With which camera?

  • Russell Ferris

    Better sell your crappy old fashioned D800 cameras before they are worthless paperweights.

  • verytoxic

    Makes no sense to me at all. D810 was, pretty much, a D800s with a few other fixes. Maybe it will be a D810sx?

  • Jbay

    This is a too small Upgrade from d800-d800e-d810/a. Nikon has zu answer to sony’s a7r ii and Canon 5 dsr in better Dynamic Range and low light in 50mp Range.

  • Purdyd

    I think it would be wishful thinking to believe that the D810S would be anything other than a slight upgrade to the D810. Probably some electronic parts to align it with current production. Looks 2018 before we see a real update to the D8XX line.

  • nicolaie

    How about a frikin 18 Mp sRaw that a lot of people would use ?

  • sperdynamite

    They should give more time between models. It would save them money presumably. The D810 & D750 fixed some issues with the line up in the previous gen but all the while people are still buying 6D’s and 5DIIIs. I can’t imagine that anyone needs a better D810 or D750 or even D4S for that matter. It’s the DF that needs a ground up re-build. That concept is sound it was just executed poorly.

  • Bob Newman

    I’m not sure how a site that spends its time observing Nikon behaviour can post stuff like this, even with ‘take with a pinch of salt’.
    Point 1. You know (surely) Nikon’s release schedule. The next gen D8x0 (which will surely be called the D820, because that’s how the numbering system works now) will come just after the D5, and will share most of the D5 tech. That’s how it was with the D3/D700, the D4/D800 and how it will be with the D5/D820 (Nikon having realised that they’ll run out of numbers if they go as they had been going).
    Point 2. The D5 is due Jan/Feb 2016 (D4 Jan 2012, D4s Feb 2014). The D820 is due Feb-June 2016 (D800 Feb 2012, D810 June 2014 – delay probably due to moving production line to Thailand). Is Nikon going to introduce a warmed up D810 for about 6 months in the market? No, it isn’t.
    Point 3. The Dxx0 numbering system for the FX cameras has done away with ‘S’ variants. Now the suffix letters just refer to concurrent small spec variations, like cancelled AA filter (E) or IR filter (A).
    Point 4. The D810 beats the Canon 5DsR in everything except pixel count. Is this new camera going to increase the pixel count above 50M. No, it isn’t, so no point. (In any case, it would be a D810H on the old naming scheme if that was the case, not D810s).
    So, all in all, Not at all likely.

    • That’s why the site is called NikonRumors…

      • Bob Newman

        Sure, but there’s ‘rumors’ and just plain uninformed speculation. If that’s what you want, I’m happy to provide you with a couple of dozen ‘rumors’ a day (for a small fee….)

        • And your “predictions” are based on what?

          • Bob Newman

            Strictly, I offered you ‘rumors’, not ‘predictions’, and they’d be based on any old thing I make up. What else were you looking for? You already are posting any old thing someone made up and told me ‘That’s why the site is called NikonRumors’. So, if you want someone to make up stuff, I’m offering my services.

            • You must be new here because you really don’t know what are you talking about.

            • Bob Newman

              There’s a non-sequitur there. In any case, I posted because the quality of this rumour is very poor. Anyone with any familiarity with Nikon’s release patterns knows it’s not going to happen. So, the real question is, which you seem to be avoiding, is: is this a ‘rumour’ or just any old thing someone made up. You see I was expecting you, as the owner of a site like this, to have some tabs on things that might have some chance of happening. Otherwise, what’s the point? Anyway, why don’t we wait for the D5/D820 release cycle in the first half of next year, and we’ll see who was right, eh?
              Do you post ‘we got that one wrong’ when we cameras actually get released?
              BTW, on admitting I got something wrong, I should have said a D810 with more pixels would be a D810X under the old naming scheme, but I put D810H instead, which would be a D810 with a higher frame rate.

            • I clearly said that this tip is coming from a good source who has giving me correct information in the past but since I have not received any confirmations from other places, I am wasn’t completely sure – I am not sure what’s wrong with that:

              “This information comes from a reliable source who previously told me about the D810 camera. Like I already mentioned I have not received any other D810s tips, which makes this rumor questionable.”

              I have been doing this for 8 years and I cannot tell you how many times readers told me that I am wrong when I was not. Remember the 36MP D800? You guys destroyed me that I was posting BS and look where we are now. Unfortunately those people never come back once the rumored camera is officially announced.

            • Bob Newman

              If and when this D810s is announced, I’ll be back eating my share of humble pie. I don’t expect that to happen.

    • Davo

      Actually I’d propose that the +10 increment in the Dxx0 naming scheming had been a way for Nikon to distance themselves from a perceived flawed product. Oil splatter D600 and misaligned AF in the D800.
      Not sure there’s enough evidence that they’ve done away with s upgrades entirely.
      As you’d mentioned D810 still competes remarkably well despite newer Canon models. An s upgrade tweaking the existing sensor and a few other things would buy time until the D900 or whatever it’ll be called next year.
      And a D810h would have less mp but more fps.
      A D810s would just be a refined and tweaked D810.
      But sometimes s upgrades can move the bar quite far. Witness D3 -> D3s.

      Anyways I’d be inclined to believe Peter. He’s been doing this a long time.

      • Bob Newman

        “Actually I’d propose that the +10 increment in the Dxx0 naming scheming had been a way for Nikon to distance themselves from a perceived flawed product.”

        Adding +10 doesn’t distance. When they wanted to ‘distance’ they started a new and irregular series, so the penned D620 (actually, probably the originally planned D610) was changed to the D750, which Nikon explicitly said was part of a new series (‘+50’) because D700 was already taken, and D750 was the best compromise. If you look at the DX models, the ‘s’, ‘X’, ‘H’ suffixes have very clearly gone. If you look at the D600->D610 and D800->D810, both these were clearly ‘s’ models, but got the +10 instead.

        “As you’d mentioned D810 still competes remarkably well despite newer Canon models. An s upgrade tweaking the existing sensor and a few other things would buy time until the D900 or whatever it’ll be called next year.”

        Bet you it’s called a D8x0, with D820 being by far the most likely – unless it really is a radically different type of camera. As I said, most likely using D5 tech and the Sony 42MP BSI sensor.

        “And a D810h would have less mp but more fps.”
        Yes, I know, I typed ‘H’ when I meant ‘X’. Already acknowledged above.

        “A D810s would just be a refined and tweaked D810.
        But sometimes s upgrades can move the bar quite far. Witness D3 -> D3s.”

        The D810 is already an ‘s’ model. A D810s would be a D800ss. But there won’t be one.

        “Anyways I’d be inclined to believe Peter. He’s been doing this a long time.”

        He’s already distanced himself from this one, it isn’t happening. What he does have is a very good record close to release (almost as though Nikon was deliberately leaking). Given that the D820 is due Q1 or Q2 next year, if this camera really were to happen at all, it would be absolutely imminent, and he would have pretty good info on it.
        Most likely it’s just someone got wind of the D820 and misinterpreted what it is.

        • Davo

          “Adding +10 doesn’t distance. When they wanted to ‘distance’ they started a new and irregular series, so the penned D620 (actually, probably the originally planned D610) was changed to the D750, which Nikon explicitly said was part of a new series (‘+50’) because D700 was already taken, and D750 was the best compromise. If you look at the DX models, the ‘s’, ‘X’, ‘H’ suffixes have very clearly gone. If you look at the D600->D610 and D800->D810, both these were clearly ‘s’ models, but got the +10 instead.”

          D750 is a new completely different series. Nothing to do with the D600 and hence a completely different name. No resemblance to the D700 either so Nikon’s naming convention seems a bit messy.

          Since we’re both just speculating we’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether the +10 increment we’ve seen thus far was in response to the perceived flawed model or a planned ‘s’ type upgrade. I still think going from D600 -> D610 was a convenient way for Nikon to distance itself from the oil splatter debacle rather than deal with the D600. If it was a planned s-like update it came way too early and suspiciously with only the shutter mechanism changed.

          Consumer DX series no longer need ‘s’ nomenclature anymore due to their faster release cycle. The only DX model with a longer supposed 4 year life cycle ie. the D300 series, that would use s nomenclature missed its update altogether.

          All in all, the naming has become quite incoherent. Maybe partly due to the dual Tsunami and Thailand flooding disasters that threw off planned upgrades but I think Nikon still messed up.

          “Bet you it’s called a D8x0, with D820 being by far the most likely – unless it really is a radically different type of camera. As I said, most likely using D5 tech and the Sony 42MP BSI sensor.”

          I think if there’s an increment type update (which is the subject of this rumour) it will use the existing 36mp with further refinements. I don’t think the Sony 42MP BSI sensor will be used for any small s type updates and will also be skipped for the major model replacement.
          I don’t think the D5 tech update is due til late next year probably with a sensor not seen yet, maybe in the 50+mp region. And my bet is it’ll be D9xx.
          What I took from this ‘rumour’ is not so much the naming convention but that there may be one more small increment iteration of the current D8xx series before the jump to D5 tech.
          I don’t think Peter needs any distancing since he very clearly wrote about the nature of this rumour. A previously correct informant tipped him off about a possible s-like update (small increment) but not corroborated by other sources. This is not his ‘uninformed speculation’, he didn’t make it up. Just info he hasn’t been able to verify from multiple sources.
          Maybe Nikon decided to drop this last increment update and so the rumblings dried up. Who knows. It’s a rumour site.

          • KnightPhoto

            Good points Davo.
            If there is an updated D8x0 series 36mp camera coming it will clearly signal that Nikon is not satisfied with the42mp sensor and instead will be coming with something higher mp a little later. E.g a 54mp FX beast based on a scaling up of the very good 24mp DX sensor. Going to be an interesting next 12 months!

          • Bob Newman

            “D750 is a new completely different series. Nothing to do with the D600 and hence a completely different name.”

            D750 is pretty much identical to D6x0, same sensor, same UI. Just upgraded with better AF (like D7000 -> D7100), flippy screen and slightly enhanced frame rate. Yes it has the new construction, but that originated on D5300, which wasn’t a new series over the D5200. So a much more likely turn of events is that the D750 is what was originally intended as D610, but given the D600 problem, they decided to launch as first member of a new series, instead.

            “I think if there’s an increment type update (which is the subject of this rumour) it will use the existing 36mp with further refinements. I don’t think the Sony 42MP BSI sensor will be used for any small s type updates and will also be skipped for the major model replacement.I don’t think the D5 tech update is due til late next year probably with a sensor not seen yet, maybe in the 50+mp region.”

            I don’t think there will be an ‘incremental style update’ that was D800->D810. The next update is a big one, using the D5 tech. On Nikon’s usual schedule, D5 is due Jan/Feb 2016, not ‘late next year’. So, 42MP BSI is definitely in the frame. If the D5 is 20MP/15FPS, the 42MP sensor would give 7FPS, which would be quite a spec.

            “I don’t think Peter needs any distancing”

            I didn’t say he needed distancing, I said he had been distancing, whether he needs it or not.

            “Maybe Nikon decided to drop this last increment update and so the rumblings dried up.”

            Maybe there was never an increment update. they usually only do one ‘s’ model, and they already did the D800s. Much more likely this is a garbled report of the D820, D5 based camera, due Q2 2016.

            • Davo

              “D750 is pretty much identical to D6x0, same sensor, same UI. Just upgraded with better AF (like D7000 -> D7100), flippy screen and slightly enhanced frame rate. Yes it has the new construction, but that originated on D5300, which wasn’t a new series over the D5200. So a much more likely turn of events is that the D750 is what was originally intended as D610, but given the D600 problem, they decided to launch as first member of a new series, instead.”

              Dunno. I’m not convinced. Although they share lots of similarities it seems there’re lots differences by design, particularly the different body construction. With Nikon’s push towards FX, I think a three model lineup might have always been planned.

              “I don’t think there will be an ‘incremental style update’ that was D800->D810. The next update is a big one, using the D5 tech. On Nikon’s usual schedule, D5 is due Jan/Feb 2016, not ‘late next year’. So, 42MP BSI is definitely in the frame. If the D5 is 20MP/15FPS, the 42MP sensor would give 7FPS, which would be quite a spec.”

              I think you misunderstood me. I know the big update is due in the D5 soon. If anything it is slightly late. The D# generation normally appear a year before the Olympics bringing with it new generation tech.

              The late next year comment was regarding the major model change for the D8## because I think there will be a gap between the D5 release and the D810 successor release. Possibly a full year and a small incremental update to the D810 soon is not out of the realms of possibility if that is the case. A simultaneous D5/D500 release is more logical due to the complementary nature of the two products.

              “Maybe there was never an increment update. they usually only do one ‘s’ model, and they already did the D800s. Much more likely this is a garbled report of the D820, D5 based camera, due Q2 2016.”

              It is possible. I don’t know. We’re all speculating but I disagree with your predictions.

            • Bob Newman

              “Although they share lots of similarities it seems there’re lots differences by design, particularly the different body construction.”

              As I said, the differences in body construction are the same as those between the D5200 and D5300 – those didn’t signify a new D6000 series.

              “The D# generation normally appear a year before the Olympics bringing with it new generation tech.”

              The D# generation is on a four your cycle. Since the Olympics are on a four year cycle, it’s hardly surprising that they coincide. The D5 certainly isn’t late compared with the D4. D3 was Aug 23 2007. D4 was Jan 6 2012. So expect D5 Jan 2016. As for the next level down, D700 was Jul 1, 2008. D800 Feb 7, 2008, a month after the D4.

              “A simultaneous D5/D500 release is more logical due to the complementary nature of the two products.”

              I presume by ‘D500’ you mean a DX version of the D5. That isn’t logical at all. If it was, Nikon would have done it with the D4 generation. A DX camera needs a completely different platform to an FX one, so releasing two together would involve co-development of two platforms, while the D3/D700 and D4/D800 pair share the same platform. The only reason that the D300 existed was because Nikon was scared that its pro users would not all migrate to FX. The D300 was actually a repackaged D2X with D3 AF and processor and the old 12MP CMOS replaced with a 12MP Exmor. Nikon is unlikely to bring out another D2 based camera – much more likely to upgrade the D7x00 line which is now the top end DX platform.

              “It is possible. I don’t know. We’re all speculating but I disagree with your predictions.”

              Mine are based on observation of Nikon’s past behaviour. I’m not sure that yours are. Anyway, we’ll see, an I give you full licence to gloat if you’re right and I’m wrong. I don’t think that I will be.

            • Davo

              So are mine but it is quite ok to arrive at a different conclusion.
              This back and forth is quickly loosing meaning. Fact is neither of us have all the information and hence anyone’s observations and speculations are as good as the next guy.
              There’s no need to gloat regardless of how things pan out. It serves no purpose.

  • iNtervengo

    I think that Nikon is actually waiting for faster buffers and SanDisk (et similia) to speed up their cards for 50 + MP cameras. At the moment even Canon is ‘throttled’ to 50.3MP but when ‘un-throttled’ the sensor can already deliver a staggering 60MP. Possibly Nikon is working at that end of the spectrum (surely above 50MP) but sees no true reasons to release a camera which doesn’t have the appropriate card to go with it. To better understand what Nikon might/might not do in the near future, one has to take a closer look at these cards (and related price&performances). I see very little improvement in a D810s frankly… even at ISO 32. Nikon will surely deliver a 4K camera and way above 50MP camera as well. That’s at least my guess.

  • Lincoln Harris

    When is the next most likely time/event for an announcement of this type to happen?

    • CES show in early January or CP+ show in February

      • Lincoln Harris

        Thank you.

  • Funn Foto

    No matter what they do. At this point. Either the D5 and D810s should have 4k. It does not make sense at this stage to starve what consumers want and that is the access to 4k like Sony.

  • tedtedsen

    at the moment Nikon does not have aneything to compete against canons big cat 5d sr in terms of reselution and micro details

  • tedtedsen

    i dont cear what Nikon is naming the Next camerabodey d810 d900 d850 it dosent matter its ust a name you geth what you geth perhaps its called d800 prostata

  • petervandever

    I dont think the timing of the release will matter. It is not like people will be buying as a Christmas gift. It is a system that photographer buy, not moms for their 10 year old sons.

  • SUMAN

    Perfect, We all know the iso performance , pixel density, internal hardware performance & overall output of 800 series. Very imp. That Nikon must make the meaningful camera. Not only mega.Pix or Better Iso per.f camera. When we can get , what we really need..

    We need a Greatpix count with meaningful best quality of sensor which produce Cleen & best iso, with the modern electronics hardware. Is there any camera co. Can show us that we can take a shot and this is final…. We must ask ourselves. Each and every body. I am talking about 100% , not take a pic. We every body take pic. R We REALLY REALLY SATISFIED ? Chk again…

    Photo not sharp,
    Iso not up to level ,
    If we make any how pic done then grain so much,
    Shutter speed not perfect,
    Internal data transfer rate low so much,
    Focus point not cover completely, Auto F.Point not swift & perfect,
    Bottom r not intelligently made and placed,
    VR is very poor…
    How many arrangement we do , to take a pic.only, still on 2016… Then after took again arrangement as editing , WHY? Bec we need to see our pic. Is good…

    Is this camera good ? Or over all idea of photographer arrangement is good.
    We everybody pay isn’t it ? What ever co. Want we pay… Every time…. But still co. Do not want to produce the BEST… FOR US… & we are keep on taking pic. & great hidden thing is that we all know the camera is not that what we “REALLY NEED” but we keep on show off , praise, advertise, compair…

    Co. Shows us that how long time we are researching everything about camera… So mechanical architecture engineers design a meaning lessly movable back screen.
    We can not produce perfectly it’s okay… CAN WE LEARN FROM OTHER… ?

    What we are doing still now…

    BEC. TODAY’S SUN RISE WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN…
    BEC. THAT BIRD WILL NEVER FLY & TWIST AGAIN…
    BEC. CHILD WILL NOT SMILE OR ACT SAME UNIQUELY. AGAIN…

    SO every time we send a silent msg to our mind that A..HHHHHH it’s not perfect…. “AND THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR LIFE”…

  • D700s

    I love reading these old threads. I wonder if people go back to see how ridiculous their comments were/are. I saw one person jokingly stating what the D4XS might have. He joked it will have 4,000,000 iso, focus tracking that anticipates the photographers thoughts, and 36 fps. Not to far off with the D5 specs. Guess the jokes on him.

  • terress

    Would like to see a D810 with double XQD slots.

  • John Hernlund

    “They also know how to ‘squeeze’ better ISO performance out of existing sensors…”

    I’m not sure what you mean…there has been no meaningful improvement in noise on a pixel-for-pixel basis (i.e., without cheating by downsampling the image prior to noise analysis) since the D3s.

  • Otis Criblecoblis

    “…[S]eems that Nikon is not yet ready…” Really? Really? What is Nikon waiting for, Canon’s next 5DS iteration? Maybe Pentax or Olympus or Leica or Sony to develop their new D810 competitors? Maybe Nikon’s waiting for a formal invitation to innovate? Good grief Nikon.

  • well this rumor was bs. bummer.

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