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Nikon D4 specs: 16.2MP, 11 fps, 12,800 native ISO, XQD memory card

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I was able to collect some specs from several sources for the upcoming Nikon D4 camera. The [NR] rating on those specs is 90% which means this is the real deal with maybe some small details being wrong possibly due to wrong translation.

Nikon D4 specs:

  • 16.2 MP
  • 11 fps
  • Correction: 100-12,800 102,400 native ISO range, expandable to 50 and 204,800
  • CF + XQD memory card slots! That's right, the Nikon D4 will have the new Compact Flash XQD memory card slot.
  • Compatible with the new Nikon WT-5 wireless transmitter
  • Integrated Ethernet in the camera
  • Face detection/recognition function that will be working in the viewfinder (maybe some type of a hybrid viewfinder? Nikon had several related patents)
  • Improved video, I have no other details on that but my guess is 1080p/30/25/24 and 720p/60/30/25/24 similar to the Nikon D800
  • Uncompressed video out through the HDMI port
  • Ability to assign the two buttons on the front of the camera to smooth aperture control during video recording
  • Improved 51 AF points
  • AF detection range will go down to EV-2.0 (the D3s went to EV -1)
  • Autofocus system: 9 cross-type sensors that are operational up to f/8

The Nikon D4 is clearly made to compete with the Canon EOS 1Dx. I will stay conservative on the announcement date, but there is a very good chance that the Nikon D4 will be announced right before or during the PMA show in Las Vegas (January 10-13, 2012).

With the next round of pro DSLR cameras I think Nikon will make a clear separation of the D800 and D4. This is why they will probably announce both cameras around the same time in 2012. The D4 will have low MP count, high fps, high ISO. The D800 will have high MP count, low fps, lower ISO. This is a clear differentiation from the previous D3/D700 offering that shared the same sensor/technology.

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  • gallon

    admin, might we anticipate more bit depth for this sensor?

  • Worminator

    Unjustified.

    Nikon 1 was announced when it had been rumored to be announced and had the specs it was rumored to have.

    There are rumored specs now for both the D800 and D4, very likely correct.

    There was never a “hard” rumor for the D800 release date this year. In fact the original rumor way back a year a go was “no new pro dSLR in 2011″. So if everyone would stop jumping to conclusions at every announcement of an announcement…

  • http://www.thirdelementstudios.com Forrest Cavale

    They’re perfect… For me.

    D4 for my weddings, sports, and portraits. (my primes can’t wait)

    D800 for travel, commercial, and landscape. (my 14-24 can’t wait)

    Both cameras would get use in my cinematography work.

    I’ll buy both when they come out, I’ve been savings all year.

    (Minus the different cards, I just bought all new CF’s.)

    P.S. Hello Matt!

    • http://slrlounge.com Matthew Saville

      Hey Forrest! It’s been too long!

      I totally agree- The D4 and D800 combo makes SO much sense. Especially if we get an “affordable D4″ within a year or two. As much as I love 12-16 megapixels for photojournalism and portraits, I could thoroughly enjoy 36 megapixels for my hobby of landscapes, or my new passion of “adventure portraits”… When the client wants a 60″ print, you can NEVER have too many megapixels!

      =Matt=

    • LOL

      My goodness a real life person!

      I’d just like to say hi… so sick of Canon trolls here.

  • Sky

    For 100-102,400 native ISO range, it is amazing. I think now we come into the HIGH-ISO times

    • http://www.flickr.com/genotypewriter genotypewriter

      Just because you can select it through a menu it doesn’t mean it’s going to be usable.

      • larry

        When they say native… usually that iso will be very usable.. in this case, 102,400.. same for d3s.. which had 12,800 native iso.. which was usable..

        • http://amusingfool.blogspot.com/ AMusingFool

          3 stop improvement in one generation? I’d love to be proved wrong, but color me skeptical (especially with an increase in pixel count).

          • Andrew

            You don’t have to be skeptical… the bottom line is that the ISO is going to be very high! Just select the usable part between 100 and 102,400 and go take some professional pictures.

            • http://amusingfool.blogspot.com/ AMusingFool

              Indeed. I’m looking forward to it (though not to paying the bill).

      • Suresh

        @genotypewriter: I know you are a canon user. So the Canon 1DX ISO 51200 is usable?

    • gargamel

      My Pentax K-5 is has 128ooo native ISO expandable to 512000 and costs ten times less..
      So what’s the big deal?

      • can

        you mean ’12 800 expandable to 51 200′ vs ’102 400 expandable to 204 800′ thats (part of the) the big deal.

        • http://dundermifflin.com dwight shrute

          Also, the K-5 is a cropped sensor and not a full frame like the D4. Don’t get me started on the lenses.

    • jodjac

      Just like the seventies, I SO HIGH times.

  • EnPassant

    Any information about the sensor? I guess it is developed by Nikon just like the one in D3s as we had no rumor about Sony making a 16 MP sensor.

    Rumors say Sony are making a 36 MP as well as a NEW 24 MP FX sensor (NOT same as the old one used in A900/850 and D3x) for use in their three (3!) next FX-cameras.
    The 36 MP is obviously the one that will be used in D800 (It could just as well be named D710! We don’t know for sure yet. Except maybe Admin.?)

    But what about the 24 MP sensor? Will Nikon not use it in any camera? There will be a big jump in price between the D7000 and D800. I think it would be a smart move for Nikon to introduce an affordable FX-camera somewhere in the middle of that pricerange for FX-enthusiastic common people. One of the Sony FX-cameras will be a cheaper model. And we don’t know yet about Canon’s plans. Leaving that price segment to the closest competitors would not be a wise decision today as times are changing. Nikon can’t look back and think it will be like before when Nikon and Canon effectively divided the semi-pro FX-market between them while Sony was almost irrelevant.

    With 24MP the enthusiast FX-camera would neither compete with the pro ISO-monster D4 nor with the MP-leader D800. To make it cheaper it would propably have a smaller D7000 type body further differenting it from the more expensive models.

    Question is when we will see this camera? With D800 and D4 coming ín the beginning of this year hardly before Photokina in September. But because of the natural disasters that have postponed the major releases maybe not until 2013? Although such a camera would be great to have ready for Christmas.

    We also don’t know if their will be a D300s replacement, a D400? Maybe Nikon thinks either D7000 or D800 in DX-mode (=16MP) will be good enough alternatives?

    What we propably can expect at Photokina is the replacement for D3100, likely named D3200. At least if the resumption of the DX camera-production goes according to plans and there are no new floods! We will also during next year see more Nikon 1 products. But will there already be more or updated cameras? Also The D7000 class of cameras was on a 2-year cycle and in theory should see a replacement at Photokina as well. But it is still quite competitive and I hear nobody screaming for it to get Sony’s 24 MP DX-sensor! So maybe just a smaller S-update and not until 2013? It is after all unlikely we will see as many as six new Nikon DSLR cameras, D4, D800, D3200, D400, D7000s, “D9000″ FX-enthusiast camera, next year plus an eventual Nikon 1 camera.

    • Fredbare

      Good post EnPassant,

      never considered the d800 as a 16 MP DX.
      What I could do with is a DX or preferably FX with really good low light performance.
      Actually dissapointed there’s no ± 16 MP camera with extreme ISO performance at this point in time – at least an affordable one.
      D700 has just too few pixels so an upgrade in pixels (limited to 16 MP) plus even better high ISO noise would have been a blessing for wild life

      • Bernie Yomtov

        Agree wholeheartedly.

        I’d love to see a 16-18MP FX Nikon, with good ISO performance, at something well below the US$5K price point. I don’t need video. I don’t need to go to 102,400 ISO. I’m an amateur willing to pay a reasonable price for a camera that fits my wants, but am frustrated at the $6500-9000 numbers.

        Time to go elsewhere?

    • lolly

      I’d say at least 3 FX bodies in 2012 … to go with the 8 or 9 FX lenses introduced last year 2010. I think 2010 was a record for fullframe, lens introduction. Maybe 2012 will be the record year for FX body intros.

      As regards DX bodies it looks like any new DX body is going to be below $1500 US to keep up with the competition – A77 and 7D.

      As for CX any new, improved, lower-priced model will be welcome. Nikon will eventually drop the D3xxx line and fill the gap with CX.

      The bottom line: FX bodies are long overdue including an entry-level one and the DX line will be squeezed between FX and CX.

    • The Fantastic G

      I’m betting on a Nikon D9000 with a 24MP DX sensor with the 39 AF system the D7000 has.

      • http://dundermifflin.com dwight shrute

        If there is ever a D9000, it should be an affordable FX. And the D7000 successor would be called D7100 and not D9000.

        • http://dundermifflin.com dwight shrute

          I just finished reading EnPassant’s post and he feels the same way about the D9000.

    • fs

      The 24mp FX camera in a D7000 style body would be my choice. While I don’t expect it to be quite the iso monster as the D4, I would be surprised if that new 24mp sensor isn’t *very* good at high iso — as Sony already has what must be a very good 36mp FX sensor, I think that low-light performance would be the reason to make the 24. The only draw back would be the non-pro body. Wouldn’t compete with the 800/D4 for the actual pro market, but I bet it would syphon off a huge number of the enthusiast buyers — who probably would have paid up for an 800 anyway. May not be a good idea.

    • design.matters

      Whichever sensor they use: either high-res or med-res and high fps: the pixel-crunch is high … update your computers before buying the cam.

  • http://nikonkrab.multiply.com/ HotDuckZ

    I want 16.9!!! I want something more pixels than 1Ds Mark II. :P

    • Justify

      Sure its the Canon 1D X, and you won’t have to sell off all your current equipment. :)

  • photoSmart42

    Nice balance of MP, FPS, ISO. Not bad at all. Good combo to a higher res D800.

  • borneoaddict

    Nice specs, and bless Nikon if the rumored mp & ISOs are true, though sensor modularity was what I really hoped for.

    PS: Nikon, please bring back the aperture ring on future AF-S lenses, otherwise I’m switching….to Praktica.

  • http://1dx a smart photographer

    LOL canon wins again

    • Kimaze

      Not yet till we see the image comparison.

      • Joris Driepinter

        There won’t be much difference. Both camera’s are more or less equal to eachother.

        • Cloke

          Are you kidding? How do you determine that by looking at tech specs and rumored tech specs? What a joke.

          • LOL

            Well that’s all we have right now (specs). It does certainly seem they’ll be similar cameras. Both good for the respective camps.

            Of course this blog gets a lot of fanboys (from both sides) coming and commenting so we can’t expect a rational bipartisan view to actually mean much here. LOL

    • Joel

      I see that you’re one of the photographers who think that the more megapickles a camera has, the more superior it must be. Well, you keep going with that buddy, because I’ll take the 1 stop increase in sensitivity over the 1D-X any day :)

      • Noelle

        However, the rumoured D4 is probably not 1 stop better.

      • Joris Driepinter

        Sure

        Only D4 won’t be 1 stop better, pretty sure both camera’s will perform equal

        • LOL

          I agree on the specs. They will be very close. Good for both sides.

          Why do we even have this Canon vs Nikon crap?! To give trolls something to do?

    • choob

      Again? The 1dIV was amateur hour compared to the D3s and even the D3. Maybe if they manage to make an AF system that’s actually competitive.

      • LOL

        I’ve owned a 1DIV and a D3s and while I like the D3s more, the 1DIV is certainly not a bad camera at all.

        Of course I’ve only got real life experience to go by, not armchair photography like yourself. :P

    • http://www.dimalozz.ho.ua dimalozz

      Wins in what?
      In ISO – of course not!
      In Megapixels – no! (just wait for D800 and D4s)

      So what is your poor trolling means? )))

  • satrio

    What’s the rumored price for this?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      No price yet, but I suspect it will be more than the D3s.

      • Discontinued

        It will be the better camera for sure. Only downside I can spot is no 60fps in 1080. Still the list of specs is the one of a Über-D3S. Well worth the upgrade for many.

        • http://amusingfool.blogspot.com/ AMusingFool

          Well, the specs said 1080p which is, by definition, 60 frames per second.

          • Chris

            1080P is by definition, 1080 lines of Horizontal resolution displayed in a progressive format. The framerate is not specified.

            It is usually 1920×1080 and 30 frames a second, but 24 is also common (60P is just starting to show up in a few cameras but is not really supported by many TV’s and editing programs, its usally 720P at 60 fps) Also sometimes you will see 1440×1080, HDV and DVCPRO HD uses that, but most modern codecs use 1920×1080 these days.

  • Irundarra

    People get a grip, this are the Specs of a decent Camera at the end of 2010 not 2012 please look around… Canon, Sony… This specs are way to low for this market, you’re tripping if this camera package is worth more than $2700.00

    • Rob

      You’re kidding, right?

      • Discontinued

        No, she is seriously trolling!
        Or simply not understanding “this market”.

      • Roger

        Irundarra has a point.

        • floop

          A spec sheet and Image quality is not the same thing. Something no one seems to understand.

          • Jelly?

            Oh we understand. It’s just the trolls like Roger that don’t get it.

            Of course he’s just jelly his 5Dii won’t AF like the D700.

        • asdn

          Roger STFU with your trolling man.

  • Eric Calabros

    if Nikon releases a 36mp camera, they say: What a shame! my Celeron notebook cant handle its RAW files
    and if a 16mp announced, they cry: Mamma! Canon has 2 megapixels more

    idiots

    • http://www.dimalozz.ho.ua dimalozz

      Perfect!!!

    • LOL

      LOL brilliant comment bro.

    • Jonas

      It’s actually probably different kinds of users saying these things, not a horde of schizophrenic displeased users. But whatever… I’m tired of this fallacy…

      • Visualiza

        The problem with all of this silly sentiment is that these folks, however numerous and divided that they may be, seem to continually ignore that there are two distinctly different bodies with different focuses in mind.

        With that being said there is a body for both the high ISO/high fps crowd and the high resolution crowd as well. Both groups can be satisfied, but instead of making plans and discussing these future cameras, probably 70% of the nearly 800 comments in this thread have been silly complaints. That’s sad.

        As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t want what this cam has to offer, run over to a D800 thread and vice versa. We should all be discussing the creative opportunities and possibilities that these bodies will enable instead of complaining that they don’t do exactly what the OTHER CAMERA that is set to be released does.

    • ISP

      +1 !

  • French Fries

    Those specs ain’t right.

    Meaby the number of megapixels are, but XQD is NOT available until the end of 2012.
    Manufacturers only will be able to get a license starting in february 2012. Which means there won’t be any memory cards available until late summer at earliest.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      I don’t expect the D4 to be available before the summer either, unless you are a pro shooting the Olympics.

      • Davix

        Some websites are even saying that this format will not be in pro cameras before two years..this XQD will not be ready for Photokina in Sept where the D4 will be launched.

        • John Richardson

          The XQD probably is ready now, more than likely going in production now also. On launch date they should be available for shipping in quantity. But lets look at the D4, if Nikon has made a slot for it do you seriously think they haven’t been testing the near if not 100% completed card already?

          So “some websites ” say not in Pro camera for 2 years? If the D4 (that is a pro camera right???) is launched soon with the XQD useable and available I would hazard to guess “those websites” who say 2 years are pretty much blowing smoke out of their patooties.

          • Davix

            you may be right, we are talking about rumors and what i read on the web, i am not saying i have the truth!

        • Martin

          Nikon defined the XQD standard togehter with Sony and Sandisk more than a year ago. First cards are expected to be commercially available in February. So why should they not include it in the camera.

      • broxibear

        Hi Peter/admin,
        You said “I don’t expect the D4 to be available before the summer either, unless you are a pro shooting the Olympics.” and you posted “there is a very good chance that the Nikon D4 will be announced right before or during the PMA show in Las Vegas (January 10-13, 2012)”.
        That means you believe Nikon will announce the D4 six months before it goes on sale…is that what you’re suggesting or have I missed something ?

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

          Yes, I think this will be the case. Just like the Canon 1Dx.

          • broxibear

            Hey Peter hope you’re well ?
            It might be an idea posting that information in the main article…I think most of the people posting are under the impression the D4 is going to be available in Feb/March…not July/August ?

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

              No, can’t do that – then everybody will be going crazy if I am wrong. I am posting only what I feel comfortable with. I cannot predict when Nikon will have the D4 in stock.

    • CB

      Just because the cards aren’t available doesn’t meant the tech cab’t be in the camera. My macbook had thunderbolt well before anything was available for it. Camera won’t be out until after Feb. I’m suer Nikon will have no problem getting a license.

    • wublili

      Even if XQD isn’t available right now, basically nothing prevents Nikon making D4 “XQD-ready”. If I remember right it’s based on PCI Express, so all they needed was to design the memory controller around that technology. At first it may be be equipped with CF reader in PCI Express bus, but later can be upgraded to the other standard. Sort of modular design (which is the point of PCI Express in the first place).

  • Joel

    Umm… ISO 12k is a 2010 spec my good man. We’re talking about ISO 102k+ now which is a massive leap in sensitivity. If you’re more concerned about the resolution than the sensitivity, than this clearly isn’t the camera for you. Perhaps it’s best to wait until the D800 comes out, or better yet, sell your lovely Nikkor lenses to me and go and buy a 5DMK2.

  • HDR

    With the proper innovation in sensor tech, I want to see much higher dynamic range. Then, there will be no need to bracketing!

    • Roger

      Buy a D7000. I’m not joking.

      • Martin

        +1

        I’m amazed by the DR of my D7000.

        Only for better control of depth-of-field I need a FF camera soon. And I’d definitely prefer 12 to 36 megapixels. Too bad the D700 lacks video.

        • HDR

          @Roger & Martin,

          You guys, and most of the commentators, don’t understand what I am talking about. D7000 only output 14-bit raw. Now imagine what a camera can do if it can output truly 24-bit raw.

          We have witnessed the these seismic events:
          * high mega pixel
          * high ISO
          * high-def video

          The next revolution and competitive edge with be:
          * high dynamic range

          And all the advances are brought out by innovation in design and fabrication of CMOS sensors

          • Roger

            There’s no need for 24 bit with todays sensors. Hell, Canon sensors dont even need 14 bit. ;)

            The revolution of dynamic range is already happening, but only with Sony sensors. It’s happening with improvement of image quality in the shadows, and that lets you expose for the highlights and than just lift the shadows in post. D7000 is an amazing camera for this, out of FX cameras D3x is the daddy if we’re talking DR and clean shadows.

            D800 if it has 36mp FX Sony CMOS, it could be a new king of DR, new king of resolution, and 2nd in low light noise, inferior only to D3s. Sounds like an interesting camera? You betcha. ;)

            I’m very much looking forward to it, I’m assuming rumored specs are correct, if yes, then I will be very much interested.

            • HDR

              On page4, someone already mentioned RED can do 18 bit. If D4 can do 24 bit, Canon will go bankrupt.

              Btw, a sizable chunk of Nikon’s Business is in selling CMOS making equipments.

  • jerry wen

    oh …Dame it! I just change system to Canon..coz Im waiting D4 for a long time…

    • http://www.dimalozz.ho.ua dimalozz

      It’s a bad trolling!
      You know old Nikon cameras are even better than Canon`s future relises ))
      Nikonists are never waiting, they just making pretty nice photos with todays cameras.

  • Ola Forsslund

    160MP/s, that is what Canon did 4 years ago!

    Nikon has the chance to really dominate by using a 24MP sensor at 10fps. Why would they chose this old sensor tech, instead of the Aptina or Sony tech that does 240MP/s?

    The 1 system has the speed, AND the QE, why not put that to use in the D4?

    I really hope this rumor is wrong!

    • Rob

      Just because 16 is less than 24 doesn’t mean that any given 16MP sensor is older tech than any given 24MP sensor.

      • Ola Forsslund

        16@11 fps IS old tech, compared to 10@24 as in the 1.

    • Roger

      That’s what I’ve been asking myself all day yesterday, Ola. I hope it’s wrong too.

  • Hobbist

    The good news is that the D3S prices will decrease. This camera is just perfect, we don’t need to pay for more.

    • Jpdyno

      I was honestly hoping the d800 was literally going to be a d3s sensor in a smaller body, as the d3 sensor was in the d700 (though I wouldn’t have complained about a couple of extra megapixels). Looking at these specs and expected prices, I may just end up with a used d3s.

    • Spooky

      I think also that I will just get a used D3s when people start selling them. Not more expensive then a D800 and in every other aspect it will be better I guess (high megapixels is NOT an advantage for me, at least not incredible 36). I don’t think the D800 will have better dynamic range or ISO then the D3s.

      • Roger

        You can bet on D800 having best dynamic range. NR has said it has Sony sensors, and Sony sensors today are the king of DR. It will have better DR than both D3x and D7000.

    • Davix

      same position with me: i will get a used D3S if we can still find one on the second market.. Because many will do the same calculation if the D800 specs are the one announced by Peter :)

  • Pixelhunter

    In industrial lifecycles it is common that technical specifications among competitors get similar over time and that differentiation shifts increasingly to branding. See the car industry: MB, Audi, BMW. This is also increasingly the case with the photo industry in general and Nikon/Canon in particular. Buying criteria depend stronger on aspects such as existing systems (e.g. investments done into lenses) or simply on emotions – unless new revolutionary innovations restart an industrial cycles. Recent novelties do not indicate that this is the case either for Nikon or Canon. Business as usual. Hence, no need to get overheated on either side of the brand enthusiasts.

  • John Richardson

    Better pixels is all I ask for, and it seems Nikon has stepped up the processing with the D7000. It seems they have come up with some nice improvements over the PS with the J1?V1. All this means for us is that the D800/D4 will have significant improvements over image quality from the past D700 D3/s/x. That is all that matters other than build quality and reliability.

    Our tools are getting better all we need to do is see the results and you can bet they are not releasing an inferior product. Start saving $ if you haven’t already if you feel the need to upgrade, but keep in mind you may or probably do not have to. Today’s Pros are taking killer shots with OLD TECH can you argue with that?

    • Fredbare

      John,

      now that’s a sensible comment. Glad to see there are some here that won’t be dumping their favourite ‘coffee table’ mags/books and full photo archives because they’re suddenly inferior due to improved technology :D

  • cameramm

    please bring out the d4! i expected more mp, at least it makes more pics per second, thats what i need – have to compete with all the canon shooters, and have to crop sports pics a lot … what surprises me is : the 1dx has 5.184 x 3.456 px RAW AND JPG – thats 17,9 MP – NOT 18,1? – if nikon d4 makes real 16,2 hey – thats maybe like 4984 x 3256 = 16,2 MP …. 200 pixel each dimension less … or 43,89 cm x 29,26 cm at 300 dpi (CANON) compared to 42,2 cm x 27,57 cm at 300 dpi (NIKON) … no big deal or? if the quality of the pic is better at nikon, its easy to add these missing pics in photoshop,genuine fractals or ….

  • Mimmo

    I don’t want a D4, I want only a D800.

    • D4you

      ok then just wait for the announcement in January 2012

    • LOL

      Good thing we have a choice (assuming the rumours to be true).

      :D

  • http://Www.driesrengle.be Dries

    I wish it was the other way. The specs of the d4 in the d800. D4 is too heavy and too expensive for me :(

    • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

      So you want the high end spec for half the price? I think everyone would want that…

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevline/ kevline

    which camera body could be better for wildlife ? Even if the d800 have low iso, it’s the same than d700 and enough for me :p and mainly the d4 is not affordable.

  • http://www.flickr.com/danielvb Daniel

    Looking at so many stupid comments makes me glad that Nikon doesn´t listen to it´s costumers very much …

  • andy

    102,400 native ISO. Doesn’t seem likely to me unless it sucks at top ISO.

    Whatever happened to CFast cards?

  • http://osmondstudio.com kevin osmond

    my money will go to either profoto or d800.

    lets see if nikon can bring me that 36mp beast soon!
    i hope the d800 have the ethernet connection.

    d4 sounds like a beast in sports.
    BTW have you notice that canon is always trying to compete itself in useless things, like MP, and FPS… lol
    Atleast their trying in iso department… i can sense a fail on the 1dx iso compare to the d4.

    last thing, after a while of being full time togs, camera at $5k doesnt seem to be as expensive or shock me as when i first started. it become more of a tool if i need it or not.

    But then again being a photog, doesnt make me rich…. yet :P

    • Thanos

      I do not get why someone needs an ethernet port on camera!! You can have an adapter or something. Why use the space weight to have such an option by default on-board a portable device?

      • Bozo

        because transferring data through Ethernet port is much faster than doing the same in an adapter that does it through a USB 2.0 port. USB 3.0 ports are not mainstreamed yet, so Ethernet port is a wise choice from Nikon I think.

        • Thanos

          My SanDisk card reader (USB 2.0) is tremendously fast and much safer and stabler than an ethernet connection. DCC will require a special program to assign a direct connection with the cam if you connect directly and if your computer is connected to your network via ethernet, you need an additional switch to connect your camera, or to disconnect your computer from the network. This sounds very confusing to me. Oh and most important of them all, on desktops you have front USB connectors for easy access, should i remind you where you will find an ethernet port on a desktop?

          • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

            “safer and stabler”? That doesn’t make any sense, how so?

            I think this feature is targeted more at pros who shoot in studio. You have the camera hooked up to AC and the computer via ethernet and images stream directly (and quickly) from camera to computer where the client and others can immediately view the results.

            • Thanos

              To my knowledge ethernet is not the ultimate connection for large file transfers and it is one of the most vulnerable devices on your computer (i.e. during a storm, ethernet and PSU are usually the first things to go). If you used camera control pro you could see that there is no such need. There are much faster and reliable protocols like the thunderbolt, firewire 800 and USB 3 which can be implemented other than ethernet.
              Ethenet is for networks and network devices, do you consider your camera a network device?
              By the way, Gigabit ethernet is not that fast as it sounds. When you take into consideration the protocols, cables (usually cat 5e and not cat 6), system bus architecture for the PCI port ethernet attaches to and network infrastructure you loose a lot a speed. And most importantly, I ask you again, do you have a second ethernet port on your pc?

            • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

              Why do I need a second ethernet port on my computer? I have a 24 port gigabit switch.

              Sure, Thunderbolt, USB3, and eSATA are all faster but very few computers come with these connectors and I suspect all are more costly to add to a device. Further, they are not networked like gigabit so there are pros to going that route.

              I have no idea where you are going with this storm thing, if you are not using proper power filtering for your system that is your problem. I have never had anything fry during a storm.

              And I ask you again, if you are shooting in-studio for clients who want to see the images on a 30″ screen as you shoot them do you plan to pull out your card and upload it after every shot? Or would you rather network your camera and have it stream as you shoot?

            • Thanos

              I quote below Nikon products available today for current and future Nikon cameras which completely fulfill the presented needs.
              By the way I assume you don’t want to walk around the studio with a LAN cable attached on you especially after you spent a fortune in making your flash system wireless…
              As for the switch part, I do have a gigabit switch, but not everyone does, 9/10 computers though have multiple USB ports and firewire / thunderbolt daisychain (allow serial connection of devices without the need for additional ports).
              When you think about the camera think first about its purpose and then of your use of it, if I used a similar example, exaggerating and trying to give you an analogy of your suggestion, adding some humor, I could argue that it would be nice to have an attached stun-gun or similar device for when that tiger sees you on that tree or you are spotted by a rebel troop on the battlefield. :p Many things are good to have but they should be weighed to their importance to the whole system and the purpose it is built (minor note, a 16MP 100k + ISO cam does not sound like a studio cam)
              Oh, and two final things, filtering your network kills its speed and I never had anything fry either, but I know people who had and statistically PSU and ethernet usually are the first to go.

              Camera Control Pro 2 – Full version:
              “This software enables remote control of the settings on most Nikon digital SLRs. Connection between the computer and camera may be via USB cable, or through wired or wireless LAN using a wireless transmitter. Advanced camera features are supported including LiveView, the Picture Control system and the Viewer, which collectively enable the preview and selection of images prior to transfer to a computer. It also supports workflows from Nikon’s exclusive photofinishing and browser software.” (nikon.co.uk)

              Wireless Transmitter WT-4:
              “The WT-4 is a high performance Wireless Transmitter for specified Nikon digital SLRs. It supports wired LAN (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX) and wireless LAN (IEEE802.11b/g, 11a), and enables the creation of multiple camera networks with remote image browsing and download capability. The stand-alone unit can be worn on the waist and enhances the photographer’s ability to shoot without interruption. Remote control of the camera settings and LiveView output is possible with a computer on which Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 software is installed. The WT-4 is powered by a specified Nikon battery, or AC adapter.
              For more information about the compatibility of this item with other Nikon products, please check the “Related Products” section below.” (nikon.co.uk)

        • Thanos

          … you also need to be on battery power to be able to connect via ethernet, card readers are standalone devices…

          • Bozo

            Thanos,

            Whatever you say will not change the fact that Ethernet is much faster and more convenient way of transferring big amount of large files at ones to your HDD or even transferring big video files quickly or maybe even streaming live video feeds through Ethernet ports to your computer large HDD.

            You can’t do that with USB 2.0

            As I said previously, USB 3.0 is not mainstreamed yet and Thunderbolt is only exclusive to Mac users.

            • Thanos

              Bozo,

              Thanks for your reply. Please note that ethernet is not a “way”, it’s a connection type and the protocols are the ones that define the “way” files are transferred, different connections support different protocols, but just know that what will define the speed is the protocol that will be used (most common is ftp). This also means that there will be a need for software and hardware to implement that protocol (run the code, define packages, validate them etc) as well as to implement the network GU interface of your camera as a network device (like you have when you connect to your internet modem/router using your browser by typing its IP address), to implement security protocols for user authorization and will also require your camera to act as a “server” for this functions. I don’t understand why spend money on R&D and implementation of such additional feature which sounds secondary and increases the camera price and why connect your camera directly to a network and most possibly the internet and open a window to a whole bunch of crap which may enter your camera. Like it happened with bluetooth phones and now with smartphones, you will soon need an antivirus for your camera as well!!!
              As to your second suggestion, streaming, that requires encoding from the part of the device sending the media (and decoding from the receiver), which means additional processing power required (and software), which means weight, power consumption, cost and at the end compromise on performance as the camera can only process so mush information at once.
              I may not be a network engineer and technology moves on rapidly, but at least I know that much (you can also google them to see for your self).
              And its is not practical either, as most possible, as it happens with home NAS servers, or at least the one I have, as well as other network devices, you need additional software on your PC to locate the device on the network and sometimes for accessing special features and that, as I’m sure you also experienced with your modem router, requires a CD with the program or an internet connection to download it. Where is the convenience in that? What happen if you don’t have your computer with you or there is no internet available? USB is Plug ‘n Play which means it doesn’t anything more to work, no setup, no software.
              As to the other part of your answer, neither is a gigabit cat 6 cabled network mainstreamed nor a second gigabit port on computers and laptops, but USB 3.0 on new computers is. Moreover the XQD format is designed for speeds higher than the current practically achievable transfer speed over gigabit network, you need Thunderbolt or USB 3.0 to match the speed. In addition, please note that thunderbolt is a technology designed and owned by intel and currently implemented on some apple products and soon PCs have the option available.
              Finally, a USB 3.0 PCI card is about USD 30 and 5 times faster than gigabit ethernet, sure you can spend 30 bucks if you have 5 to 7 grand for a camera body…
              Maybe they will implement it, maybe they will not, but I still think it’s a big mistake and raises the cost, weight and vulnerability of the camera without giving that much benefit, I thought so when I saw it on the 1DX and still think that.

      • Cameramm

        We connect the Camera at Big Sport Events like olympics, wc … Direct to the Editors System … Seconds Count on World Wide used pics… Thats maybe Not Photography but it is the Job …

        • Thanos

          Agreeable and true, that is why I suggest an adapter rather than port. This camera is designed to be used in live events as well as in battlegrounds, deserts and jungles, where other qualities come in handy. The port uses additional space, adds weight and requires additional weather-sealing meaning one more thing that can go wrong in a though situation.

  • cobby

    I know that cross type helps in grabbing focus quicker. 61 vrs 51 AF points i dont have a problem with.

    But the 1Dx has 21 f/5.6 Cross Type Sensors, 20 f/4 Cross Type Sensors, 5 f/2.8 Cross Type Senors (making it 41 cross type sensors?) and the D4 has 9 cross-type sensors that are operational up to f/8.

    Can someone ps help me understand what this means in real life, because on paper it looks like the Canon will be very good at focusing. Sometimes its like the other camp looks greener than this side..

    • Guyana

      Probably the point is that canon has none that go to f/8 and Nikon have 9.

      I’m sure it’ll have more cross times that only work at 5.6/4 or wider and 2.8 or wider too.

  • mrjirey

    Well, I have to say, it is hard to have just one type of camera. With today’s limits on sensors, you can’t have it all.

    I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this, but I don’t think any one manufacturer has the answer. I have several different brands and types of cameras depending on my shooting needs.

    I have a Sigma SD15 with the Foveon for prorates. can’t beat the rich tones. I used to shoot a Mamyia 645DF with the Leaf Aptus back, but the systems was just to costly for my shooting needs

    I have a D3s for low light shooting. With a good aperture prime lens and ISO at 6,400 the thing sees in the dark

    I have a Canon 5D Mark II for a compact shooter and the picture quality when cropping is excellent.

    I just ordered a Sony NEX-7 because I wanted a compact travel camera. Have not received it so it is too soon to say if that is going to work out, but the concept seems sound

    So, each of these cameras has its strengths and weaknesses. When your shoot, you need to determine what tool is the right one for your task. Just like a car, your not going to do off-roading in your Ferrari.

    All that being said, as the technology increases, we will all probably be shooting spectacular photos on our smart phones in a few years and wonder why we forked out $5,000+ on that huge beast of a camera.

    • Thanos

      on BH prices (USD)…

      SD 15 = 990
      D3s = 5.200
      5D = 2.210
      NEX7 = 1.200

      Total = 9.600

      and this is just for bodies, you’ll need at least twice the amount to buy some good glass for these bodies and we should also don’t forget that the technology moves on, so you don’t “marry” your equipment, you have to upgrade every few years.

      Sorry, but i find your approach unrealistic for the average user. My opinion is that a pro Dslr should cover all your needs for a most situations with superb quality and good ISO sensitivity. You can always get a compact system to compliment the pro equipment but nothing more.

      This is what troubles me with the D4 specs I see in this post, the specs sound like a D4s (or D3ss as I noted in an earlier comment) rather than a D4 which should be a great all-rounder for the pro photographer rather than a tool for some categories of photographers.

      • EnPassant

        Specialist tools do their thing better than all-round models. And Nikon have to think about the competition, Canon 1DX. Trying to compete with that camera with an allround model would be like driving a super sportcar made for the street in a formula 1 race.
        If you don’t have the need for what D4 will offer then you can buy either of a (used)D3s or D3x or the new D800 depending on your needs.
        For average users I would recommend the D5100! It’s the best all-rounder Nikon sell. If you can consider a pro camera then it will not break your budget (nor your back!) even if you add some good lenses.

        • Thanos

          A pro Dslr is a special tool in its own! Car metaphors don’t work on cameras, it is not the same kind of product, I would suggest a marketing introduction handbook so you can see the basis under which products are judged. Having read a few my self, I can tell you that the D4 is NOT a specialist Dslr or tool, it is a pro Dslr, the best Dslr (from Nikon at least) money can buy. Having said that, I would like to add that the D4 represents a new line of pro Dslr cameras, if Nikon indented it to have its D4 line differentiated (specialized) they would present two cameras (i.e the D4s and the D4x).
          My argument is that the D4 is marketed (designed, developed and engineered for) to the pro photographer and not the pro sports photographer or the pro photojournalist or the pro product photographer etc. It is designed to be the best and not the compromise that is why they also call it the “flagship” camera.
          By the way, the D5100 is not the same type of product as the D4, it is not a pro Dslr nor an amateur Dslr, but a entry level Dslr and marketing-wise it is NOT the same product, as it is marketed FOR a different market.
          And one final note, to my understanding, average users are those who cannot fully use their equipment to their maximum potential and I still sell shots taken with my D50 and the 18-70 DX lens with its CCD colors and shallow contract. To me the endless lineup of equipment is overkill, always taking into consideration that I don’t have louis vuitton or Prada in my list of clients who may be able to appreciate the subtle difference, but then again I would have to shoot the head with the Sigma, the dress with the Nikon and the shoes with the canon and photoshop them altogether :p

      • mrjiery

        You are so correct.

        my philosophy does not apply to the average user. But, at the same time an average user should probably not be considering this D4, or some of other Nikon, Canon, Sony…….. DLSR camers. For the most part these cameras are designed as tools for professional or very advanced shooters. If you are not of that level of shooter, you most likely will be just as happy shooting a D5100 or Canon Rebal t3i or XXXXX for thousands less money.

        To tell you the truth, most professional shooters may not need all the performance that is packed into a camera like this. But, if you need that one feature, that gets that one shot, then you may need this camera.

        I probably only use about 40% to 50% percent of the features that are on my D3s. But, since I do a significant amount of low light shooting that I can’t use flash for, that feature alone justifies this camera.

        Oh ya, I may not be a fully versed in marketing since I have a few post grad degrees in it, but car metaphors are still a good way to communicate with people, and put a message into an easy to grasp concept.

        I just think that it is important to make sure that you are purchasing the correct tool for you photography.

        That being said, there will always be those posers wanting to show up with their shinny new Hasselblad H4D with a bag full of rare glass.

    • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

      “All that being said, as the technology increases, we will all probably be shooting spectacular photos on our smart phones in a few years and wonder why we forked out $5,000+ on that huge beast of a camera.”

      Phones are getting better, my new iPhone 4S takes great photos under good conditions but they will never replace a DSLR. Even if the tiny lenses on these phones get better and have decent optical zoom they are still tiny and can’t gather light like a big lens.

      I went shooting last weekend with a borrowed lens, the Nikkor 400mm f/2.8. The lens is incredible, and I swapped between that and the Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8 to get some landscape shots. There is no way that “in a few years” any cell phone will be able to compete with even today’s tech to get what I produced with an SLR and these two lenses let alone the other lenses available.

  • R!

    I like this,I’m going to keep my D7000 for 3 more years without wondering on the more expensive & heavier so called “pro” body, he he…

  • Canon Master

    This is the rumor Nikon put out to make Canon confidently in the 18MP D1x spec. Then, just some months ago, Canon got the the real D4 spec, @24MP.
    Canon rushed the press-release, to not risc releaseing the lesser spec AFTER Nikon.

  • JaaF

    Official,
    It’s a rumors.
    to close.

  • http://www.zeedgames.com game

    Oh Raelly it perfect spec.!

  • http://aarif aarif

    That sounds great to me I better sell my D3s soon but ONE THING Nikon please listen it’s not that hard to do, I want to keep my Long exposure NR on and not have to wait between shots for a long time just so the long exposure NR job to complete, I’m not asking to view my image I understand that but let me shoot while the NR job goes on in the background.

    Come on Nikon you can do it

    • Jay

      In the background while you’re shooting? I think you don’t understand how long exposure noise reduction works. when you take a long exposure (e.g. 5 mins), your sensor warms up and that leaves artifacts on the image captured. Then the camera closes the shutter and takes another exposure same duration as the original shot (i.e. 5 mins), the sensor warms up again and leaves the same artifacts without anything else on the image. Then the camera subtracts the artifacts captured on the second shot from the original shot, leaving you with a clean image. I don’t see how this can be achieved while you keep shooting – it’s not a pure software solution after all. (Some people suggest keeping a database of artifacts resulting from long exposures in the camera using that but it doesn’t seem like a feasible solution if you ask me)

      • http://aarif aarif

        you see I have the 1Dmk4 too and it allows me to shoot even when with Long exposure NR is on but you can’t view the image, if Canon can do it Nikon can too.

        I shoot a lot of lightnings with exposure time generally between 1-2 minutes and have to wait the same amount of time for the NR job to complete till my next shot that leads me to miss very good opportunities

        • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

          Does Canon approach the NR differently than Nikon? I didn’t realize Nikon did that two-exposure thing with NR, interesting.

  • Levi H

    I’m with a lot of others here. I was really hoping the D800 to be the smaller/lighter version of the D3s. It would have been great for wedding photographers not wanting to carry a big camera body around, but still getting that great high ISO.

    I do understand where Nikon is going with this though, hitting two entirely different markets. I just wish the wedding photographers had something a little bit more affordable around the price of the D700. I actually can see the price of the D3s rising now as those wishing for a high ISO D800 look towards those selling their D3s in favor of the D4. I bet demand for used D3s is going to shoot through the roof.

    • http://aarif aarif

      As so many of us want a smaller body maybe if the grip was optional it would have been better

      • Discontinued

        On the other hand all these optional grips never really melt with the camera and often feel loose. “Many of us” is unequal most or all of us.

      • Levi H

        Well, here’s to hope for a D700S and Nikon hearing the complaints of “many of us”, even if it isn’t most of us. :)

  • Zim

    I think this sounds more like a D300s replacement.

    • fleep

      face, meet palm

      sigh

    • Discontinued

      I think anything with clean ISO up to 400 can replace a D300.

  • http://www.facebook.de Horst Klebuch

    gern dabei und gleich geteilt, damit noch mehr neue FANS den WEG zu Euch finden. und liebe Grüße Horst .und eine schöne Vorweihnachtszeit

  • Mtt

    Some info about the buffer?

  • Kerry33

    Some of u guys expect that the so called
    D800 with 36mp will replace the current D700?
    Its funny…just look at this RUMORED D4..

    If the D4 is for real, there’s is no way an FX camera
    with 36mp is called a ‘D800′. It will be a ‘D4X’ or something like that..

    But some of you still put up high hope about those D800 with 36mp and its gonna be ‘cheap’.
    Well, you will be dissapointed..

    • Sahaja

      Well Nikon probably think they need something to compete with the 5D mkIII and the new Sony full frame cameras which will be 36mp and not cost anything like a “D4x” would

    • http://mike.heller.ca Mike

      “If the D4 is for real, there’s is no way an FX camera
      with 36mp is called a ‘D800′. It will be a ‘D4X’ or something like that..”

      Why? The D800 can’t have higher MP count than a D4? The Nikon D7000 has higher MP than a D3, D3S, D700 which are all FX cams. Canon’s 5D Mark II has a higher MP count than the 1D Mark IV and even the latest 1D X.

      I can see the D800 having higher MP count than the D4, but lower frame rate and lower ISO performance among other features. In a few years, we may see a 48MP D4X but for now the model numbers and specs seem to make sense to me.

  • Nick W.

    IMHO…

    I’m not sure if someone mentioned this in those prev comments or not… If so, please ignore mine. :-)

    Rumored D4:
    •Improved 51 AF points
    •Autofocus system: 9 cross-type sensors that are operational up to f/8

    Canon 1DX:
    …The 21 focusing points in the central area are standard precision cross-type and effective with maximum apertures as small as f/5.6….

    D3:
    …All 15 cross-type sensors retain the same outstanding level of performance with any NIKKOR lens as fast as f/5.6…

    These sounds like the arrangement of D4′s sensor is just like D3… Except one thing: 9 vs 15 cross-type sensors.

    What I can say is, hoping the new D4 has all 9 cross-type sensors spreadout like D2x (except the left-most and the right most sensors), not grouping them all in the centre.

    If so, capable to take the advantage of the cross-type with f/8 would be really nice.

    If the AF sensor arrangement can cover wider area would be even nicer.

    (Side note thought: surprisingly, 1Dx’s sensor does not spread widely. They are arrangement just like D3: concentrated in the center. (For sure someone might complain about this.) This makes me to start thinking that for a full-frame camera, there might be some technical issue when the AF sensor is closer to the edge. Maybe the CA of the lens is bad for focusing. May be the light fall off is also an issue. Maybe the curvature of the focus plain is not perfectly flat. Maybe something else… Just my wild guess.)

    Just MHO. We will see. ;-)

    • Ola Forsslund

      Yes, it is a technical limitation caused by the maximum size of the sub-mirror.
      But there IS a way around that now:

      The Nikon 1 system has on sensor PD AF. Using that on the D4, would allow Nikon to skip the submirror and spread the AF points all over the viewfinder.

      However, I think that is D5 technology. :(

  • http://www.aquahabitat.com DaveyJ

    The D4 specs look good to me. It will be a year before most of us could buy one if we decided to invest that much. I am primarily interested in a D400. The D700 I have would be worth a lot more with video on board. Right now my favorite cameras to use are the D300 and the D90.

  • DFive

    135 f2 AF-S G is coming with it.

  • DFive

    I Shoot:

    NIKON D3S
    LEICA M9-P
    FUJI X100
    RICOH GRD3

    Covers me and my needs perfectly ;))

  • simpleguy

    “Uncompressed video out” , this is very interesting if it will really work :)

    • Daniel S.

      This is already the case with all DSLR cameras.
      The Atomos ninja and Samurai take advantage of this.
      http://atomos.com/

  • i hate fanboys

    what a load of idiot fanboys post on here, blah blah blah… why is it on canon rumors theres a serious debate on the D4 and the 1DX
    funny how the peeps at my camera club that always place or win, get exceptences into exibitions and the likes have Canons ( the crap lesser camera )
    just must be better photographers :-)

    all gear and no idea comes to mind with some of the posters on here..

    • Jon

      With respect, you’ve come on here to tell everyone how Canon users are the better photographers. You sound like a fan boy to me.

      Had you said that both Canon and Nikon produce quality cameras and that a good photographer could use ether to produce stunning photographs, I would have had totally sympathy with your point.

      I do agree with your point about a lot of posters on here being only interested in the technology as opposed to photography though.

  • david

    This is the reason why Canon announced a camera that doesn’t exist.

  • KitHB

    If they go with the Ethernet port, I really hope they choose to enable Power over Ethernet+ (IEEE 802.3at) – takes up almost no space and recharge batteries / flash whilst working tethered or do without an external power lead altogether. 25W should do it for them, a Macbook Pro needs less.

    • double E

      Power over ethernet requires a minimum voltage of 44V. The camera operate on 7.4V, that’s alot of heat on the voltage regulator!

      Yes it does take up space. Especially on the circuit board. You have the POE IC and the voltage regulator. Not including the resistors and capacitors to condition the signals, dc coupling etc.

  • http:www.christianhandl.com Christian Handl

    The specs for the D4 sound reasonable to me, although a gain of 4 MP is not much, if you want 50 % more quality (resolution) you need to double the MP count! And for the D800: 36 MP means a maximum aperture of f5,6! Beyond that diffraction eats up the resolution fast. So which lens is good at f5,6? Maybe 14-24 f2,8 and some of the new primes.

    • goldaccess

      So you do equal quality with resolution? ;-)

  • PAG

    It seems that as high ISO performance continues to climb and as AF cross-sensors move to f/8, the need for ultra-fast (and really expensive and really heavy) glass will drop for the average photographer. Maybe affordable, lightweight 300mm, 400mm, and even 500mm f/5.6 lenses will become available for us amateur nature photographers.

  • mrjirey

    The D4 looks like it will be a very nice camera. the key question here is what will it cost? If it is around $5K that’s not bad, for it, under that would be great and Nikon will probably sell gazillions of them.

    Everyone is looking at it in comparison to the Canon, but Nikon must also look at what other manufactures are doing as well, most notably the new Sony Alpha 9XX. Sony has not performed well in the past, but they are making significant leaps, and judging from what I’m seeing in the Alpha 77, they are catching up fast.

    The great news about all this is that there is allot more choices for me.

    Frankly, I don’t care who makes the the camera as long as it performs for what I need it to and at a reasonable cost. It does me no good if the new Nikon D4 comes out with 46 megapix a 200,000 ISO, 23 fps and weighs less than a pound if it cost $35,000.

    There will always be compromises at this level of camera, the trick for Nikon is figuring out where the best place to make them is.

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