Nikon D850 hands-on field test/review by The Camera Store


The Camera Store published their Nikon D850 hands-on field test/review:


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  • teteouu

    I want my Nikon D860 !!!

    • T N Args

      Apparently the model numbers go up in 40 now, so make that D890

      • CERO

        I wonder what they will do once they run out of numbers.

  • I cancelled my D850 B&H order. NOT happy with Nikon or B&H…

    • Michael Fabricius

      🙁

    • Jeffrey G. Bank

      When did you order?

    • Reggie

      Why?

      • Poor communication, leap frogging, and much more.

    • Eric Calabros

      Thanks

    • Shutterbug

      Why did you feel the need to tell us all that, and in the comments for a completely unrelated hands-on video?

      • Because God, via a talking sandwich, told me I needed to distract you for nine seconds today, so your time schedule would be shifted just enough to save you from an unfortunate untimely accident…

        • Shutterbug

          Thank you, I appreciate that 🙂

          • My pleasure, but stop wasting your time here.. .or you’ll shift yourself into another reality that wasn’t supposed to happen.

    • Roger S

      Matt, I don’t remember — do you have another one on order someplace else or are you stepping back from the D850 for the time being?

      • I’ve got a huge trip upcoming I really thought I would have this in my hands for… It’s my own fault for not seeking out a local store and getting a unit earlier. I’m adding a competitors setup for this trip now. I needed decent 4K for this trip.

      • silmasan

        To Matt or anyone else… just fyi, disqus automatically saves a cache of (the first version of) your comments and they’re still viewable if you happen to have slow connection and press stop before the disqus part is even loaded. :-/

  • This sounds like that last camera anyone will ever need. Well, until the D890 is released.

    • eric

      Only a film camera can cure g.a.s.

      • That’s why we old timers can’t understand the constant need for a new camera. I used F2s for something like 10 YEARS.

        • Aldo

          I think I used an f3/fm2n combo for 7 years

          • Proto

            No you did not use a film camera ever. did you?

        • But we used different sensors every time and the changes were very frequent too.

          • I think some of these folks on here would LOVE to get a new camera every 36 shots!

            🙂

        • Spy Black

          I used an F2 for 30 years…

          • Well, yeah, I STILL use one…but only very occasionally. So technically that’s what, 42 years? First really serious camera I bought in 1975. I had a Yashica mat 124G before that. Still have the first negative and print I made with it in 1973. Have I told you the story about when I met Fred Flintstone?

          • Proto

            same F2 body lasted 30 years?

            • Spy Black

              Yep. Still have it, 39 years later.

            • CERO

              How many times you changed the Brand or version of the Film type?
              I think back “then” the technology changed more on Film and lenses than actual bodies.
              Now since everything is digital and electronic, it can be upgraded and made better way easier.

    • Ric of The LBC

      or Df2 🙂

      • You’re more hooked than I am…:-)

        • Ric of The LBC

          Yea, so? What are you going to do about it!? 🙂

          • I’m gonna have my dad beat up your dad, that’s what!

    • For me it would be D870. Skipping one . I also felt the same like tony that this is meaning fully going to be the last great Dslr. So no holds barred features. The new kid on the block is going to be a mirrorless.

  • Aldo

    “If you wanna get the most out of the 46mp… this belongs on a tripod” this is one of the reasons this camera is not for me… I hope the d760 doesnt go all out on mp

    • Lladnar

      Use the high MP when you need it, lower it when you don’t, best of both worlds and IMO this camera justifies its price compared to any other DSLR even w/reduced MP. Plus, shooting fast shutter speed combined with VR can still give great results @46MP given the lens is sharp enough. Don’t take everything these youtubers say as gospel.

      I hope the D760 is at least 24MP and is built better than the D750, no recalls would also be a plus.

      • Aldo

        “Use high mp when you need it” I’ll never need it for what Im currently doing

        • T N Args

          “I’ll never need it”…. Just remind us why you are even here?

          • Eric Duminil

            Not every photog needs so many MPs. Actually, I’d say the majority of photogs don’t need more than 24MP.

            • T N Args

              Agree. But those people don’t need to be here as they have no need for the D850.

            • silmasan

              People also come here to satisfy their need for arguing. 🙂

            • Grenger

              Nobody needs more than 12 MP. Or that was what some people were saying in 2008, when the D90 came out. If it was true then, it is still true now.
              And if it’s not true now, it wasn’t back then either.

            • CERO

              then? Get a D500 or a D750.. problem solved!

          • CERO

            Obviusly to complain for something he clearly was never interested in lol.

        • T N Args

          Anyway, the Camera Store guys are wrong to say that you need a tripod. Let’s do the sums. The
          linear pixel size reduction compared to a D750 is 6016 pixels wide:
          8256 pixels wide, that is a 27% size reduction. Therefore, to get the same pixel
          stability you need a 27% higher shutter speed. That is not even 1/3
          stop! So if the D750 handheld needed 1/100 shutter speed, the D850
          needs 1/125th. Big deal.

          Or to put it another way, if you need a tripod for the D850, you also need a tripod for the D750.

          So tell us again why this is not the camera for you ??

      • Eric Duminil

        How do you lower MP exactly? sRAW sucks and it’s a pity to use an FX camera for DX pictures.
        I’d love to see a pro Nikon camera line stuck at 16 or 20MP, with all the bells and whistles the D850 got but without the MP.

        • Cynog

          Would that not be the D5?

          • Eric Duminil

            Ahah. You got a point. And without a $6500 price tag 😉

            • Andrew

              Or you will have to make do with the D760 when released as it also will pack more bells and whistles.

        • 24×36

          D4/D4S sounds like your camera…

        • KnightPhoto

          It seems Nikon has done something new in the industry for the D850 sRAW and mRAW. So it doesn’t suck anymore (demosaic, remosaic or some such per the author of RAWDigger), so it doesn’t have the big penalty of baked in WB and whatever the other shortcomings were previously.

          So… it seems it’s another all-rounder feature of the D850 is it can shoot like a D750 in terms of smaller RAW files. Very interesting development.

    • Sorry confused by this. If i can get sharp images on a 24mpx crop sensor then people can get a sharp image on the d850. Same pixel pitch or very similar any way. Unless people are looking at the images at 200% or something? At print res going to be plenty sharp enough. Sure, needs good glass and good technique, but only tri pod camera?

      • Aldo

        Im quoting what he said from the review. Part of the ‘good technique’ transfers to shooting at a faster shutter speed. Similarly to shooting a dx 24mp up from what you would use on 24mp ff or even the d810. One of the big sellers from ‘upgrading’ to ff is to have better low light capability… having to up the shutter speed due to pixel density (as you would on a dx) defeats that purpose. Do you see where I’m goinf with this?

        • Eledeuh

          That’s only true if you want the additional pixels. If you use the same shooting discipline a the one you used for 36MP shots (or any other size), then you’ll get perfectly clean 36MP shots.

          This really isn’t new nor much of an issue, I guess we could make it an issue if one was expecting to magically bump the amount of pixels on his images, but it’s never worked that way, for more pixels you must ensure less camera shakes ; which is where VR and tripods enter the game.

          • Aldo

            It is a significant issue to some… especially if you want tack sharp photos.

            • Eledeuh

              It isn’t if you stick to the resolution you can ensure with your steadiness/use-case.

              You wrote “I hope the d760 doesnt go all out on mp”, but it doesn’t make much sense: you can downsample as far as you want. If you want 12MP files out of a D750, you can, if you want 24MP files out of a D810, you can, same for the D850.
              The sensor pixel count only gives a hard upper limit, and defines the file size (not discussing the “medium” and “small” sized raws here). If you know you can ensure sharp 36MP with your handheld technique and gear, then you won’t do any less with cameras with more pixels available, it will only enable more in some situations.

            • Aldo

              Doest go all out meaning I dont want a 40mp sensor in it… I have no use for such resolutions and adjusting my technique to compensate for the pixel density is more of a handicap than it is an asset… not sure you are getting it

            • Eledeuh

              > adjusting my technique to compensate

              My point is precisely that you don’t *have to* adjust your technique if you don’t want to. You only have to do it if you want the 46MP, if you want to stick to lower resolution, do whatever you used to do, it still works, the blur is only visible at higher resolutions, and if you don’t need the higher resolutions then it’s just as fine as it used to be, potentially more actually once it’s downsampled.

            • Eric Duminil

              Yay! And you also need 4 times as much storage (HDDs, SD cards, backup drives) and processing power, before even downsampling your photos and looking at them on a 2MP display.
              For what exactly? So that you can get sharp blur when viewed at 100% resolution. No thanks.

            • That is a problem we will have to ask Nikon to resolve(No pun intended) in the form of “less mp count” camera and not exactly the issue being discussed here..

            • Eledeuh

              The storage and processing power is a relative non-issue.
              Any somewhat recent (<3yo) computer should still be able to handle it just fine (and that's for laptops), and I suppose if you can afford $3k+ cameras surely you can upgrade a computer every once in a while, or its GPU.
              And storage… in 2017 both storage and back-up plans are extremely cheap.

              It's not very reasonable to hope for technology to get stuck just because you want to keep using an old (or underpowered from the onset) computer forever.

            • CERO

              Computer nowadays are usually replaced on average at least once every 2 years.
              When you upgrade, these 46Mbpx files will feel like the ancient D610’s 24Mpx files in an older computer.
              You can get 4Tb hard disks or larger for like 120 USD.
              mere years ago that was the price for a 1TB or even smaller hard disks!

            • Eric Duminil

              Why on earth would you replace your computer every 2 years?
              If you don’t buy a camera with 46MP, you can either:
              * not buy a new computer
              * process your files twice as fast
              * have twice as many backups for the same price.

            • CERO

              “Why on earth would you replace your computer every 2 years?”, If you don’t know, you do not apply in the segment who needs/requires.
              Any working in the IT segment can easily answer this.

              “If you don’t buy a camera with 46MP, you can either:” equally the same, if you have to complain about 46Mp then do not buy the D850. Clearly its not your segment as well.

            • KnightPhoto

              Again it seems D850 sRAW, mRAW may allow you to deal with that storage issue at lesser penalty than any other previous sRAW/mRAW on a Nikon. Stay tuned as some thoughtful/expert folk are looking into this more closely. So far I think Thom mentioned he is studying the resolution / acuity as there may be a penalty there, but from the initial breaking news it does seem sRAW/mRAW might bear out more consideration than ever before. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

              And surprising Nikon didn’t trumpet this louder. For sure Canon is going to have to copy this technique as will every other manufacturer worth their salt.

              Side issue something I have learned through all these discussions is that I will go to 12-bit lossless on my cameras (only have 2xD500 currently) much more often as in many action/event situations I’ve got Auto-ISO ranging from 400-1600, 400-3200, or in Theatre even 1600-6400 and it turns out that 14-bit has no effect whatsoever once you get above (ballpark) 400 ISO or so. So that will be a nice savings of space. Incidentally because I need shutter speed to stop motion so often, that very much motivates me to buy the latest sensors as they almost always benefit me in that 400-6400 range I use so often. If I had a D5 I’d also go 12,800 and 25,600 with impunity but that is another story (I still want that sensor).

            • Eric Duminil

              Thanks for the reply. D850’s sRAW/mRAW could be much better than the previous ones. Still, I think it’s an inherent limitation of Bayer patterns : If you put 4 pixels together to calculate one sRAW pixel, you get a quarter of MPs but only save 25% of data size.
              Let’s wait to see what Thom and other pros have to say about it.

            • 24×36

              Well, that’s not really the case either. You also “have to adjust your technique” if you want 12MP out of a 12MP camera, or 24MP out of a 24MP camera, as it were. Blur from poor technique is there no matter the pixel resolution you record it with.

              The issue is these “you must do this or that because more pixels” types are comparing images at vastly different sizes, i.e., at “100% crop,” which is not a meaningful comparison.

            • Eledeuh

              I think we’re saying the same thing.

              I was specifically taking someone with a given “technique” who’s already obtaining “satisfying” results with a given size, and who’s against additional resolution because it would “require adjusting the technique”: you don’t “need” adjustments.
              – if your technique handles 24MP perfectly and you still want 24MP out of a 100MP sensor, the requirements don’t change
              – if you want 75MP out of 100MP, the requirements do change
              – if you want 8MP out of 100MP, then you could potentially get away with a more sloppy technique of course

              With the same technique the images won’t get any more blurry just because there are more pixels. That’s what I meant.

            • 24×36

              I think we’re pretty much on the same page, except for the notion that you only need better technique if you “want 46MP,” since the same thing applies for any lower resolution camera. IOW, you’re not getting 24MP out of a 24MP camera without excellent technique, either.

            • Eledeuh

              Of course I’m only talking same size sensors. As I said elsewhere in these comments, the important variable for blur is the surface covered on the sensor; if you have a smaller-sized sensor with the same number of pixels, then any movement will have a proportionally larger effect.

            • 24×36

              You’re not getting it. Your images don’t get “better” because you don’t magnify them as much when you view them at 100%. View two images taken the same way with a 24MP camera and a 46MP camera, and the amount of blur visible at any viewing size won’t be “better” with the lower resolution camera. It’s only when you do the apples vs. oranges “100% crop” comparisons, which examine the images at two very DIFFERENT viewing sizes, that you’ll be able to better see any “issues” which arise from your poor “technique.”

              Examine at the same output size, and the higher resolution image will look better, period.

            • Aldo

              Here we go with the ‘crop ‘ comparisons… why buy a d5 when you can get comparable images downsized from 60 50mp at high ISO? Bottom line is… despite what anyone says the reviewer statement at the end is true. ‘If you want to get the most out of 46mp… put it on a tripod’ otherwise you are not getting the all the pixels you paid for.

            • 24×36

              And if you want the most out of 24, or 16, or 12, or 6 MP, put it on a tripod too.

            • Aldo

              right… and from many camera reviews he mentions that with the d850… he either just discovered the tripod or the zoom button. Whatever suits you.

            • Eric Duminil

              All else being equal, there’s no way you’d see any difference between a 24MP and a 46MP pictures when printed at 8×10.

            • 24×36

              And if all you ever want to be able to do with your images is print them at 8×10, you could have stopped buying cameras 10 years ago and you could have avoided 10 years of whining about too much resolution.

            • Eric Duminil

              Sorry, I meant 12×16, I’m not used to inches.
              The thing is, not many people print larger than that (or even larger than 8×10, for that matter), and most pictures are seen on 2MP displays anyway.

              Resolution isn’t the only thing that’s improved in the last 10 years : AF, FPS, high ISO, buffer, low ISO, LCD, …

              I hope the successor of the D750 doesn’t get more than 24MP.

            • 24×36

              I think you meant 12×18, but my reply wouldn’t have been any different.

            • Andrew

              Aldo, if you buy a different car or a faster car, you would also have to adjust your technique as the same pressure on the accelerator pedal will cause the more powerful car to accelerate faster.

              If you what to improve your photography or take better pictures, you would likewise have to adjust your technique. But not only that, when you use a lower MP camera like the D750, it comes with an AA Filter. Does that not also impact the sharpness?

              So this whole issue of adjusting one’s technique can become a farce. Whether one is adjusting, maintaining, or using a certain technique, or even processing their images from a RAW file or following a certain workflow is quite irrelevant as they all involve techniques and effort.

              So if the issue is that one must improve their technique to get a certain result which another camera cannot give you, then that is a personal or professional decision that each person must make individually and it is one that I consider to be a none issue. As far as the D850 is concerned, it is in my opinion (and many professionals) the complete camera. The image quality coming out of the D850 is absolutely stunning with its amazing sharpness.

            • 24×36

              Sorry, but your inability to see the blur at (a smaller) 100% view doesn’t make your images “tack sharp.”

              Compare at the same output size, and what is “tack sharp” won’t get worse as you add pixels – in fact, at the same output size, the higher pixel image will still look better if anything.

            • Aldo

              But you are not throwing pixels away with a lower pixel density sensor

            • 24×36

              Sure you are. You use poor technique, you “throw away pixels” on ANY camera.

        • Thom Hogan

          I see where you’re trying to go with that, but I fail to get there ;~). “One of the advantages of upgrading to full frame” has a problem: the DX camera you are upgrading from has the same pixel density ;~). Thus, there’s no defeat of purpose at all. Per pixel blur should be the same.

          • Proto

            Thom — does higher pixel density sensor show less camera shake since pixels are smaller?

            • Thom Hogan

              You have to define variables before making conclusions. If we’re going with same size output that’s the max that the 24mp camera could do, then I’d say that the 45mp camera is going to have slightly higher edge acuity. Many people won’t notice it (just as people aren’t noticing the horrible artifacts in sRaw and mRaw: try looking at the lines in a star chart, you should see the pixel sampling points pretty obviously).

            • Proto

              Thanks Thom — when will you publish your opinion on mRAW from D850? Is it good or bad from your early assessment?

            • Thom Hogan

              Initial analysis: you’d be better off shooting with a D750.

            • Proto

              so, mRaw still sucks!

        • FerpectShotz

          I have been using the D850 for about a week now and from what I see, the camera is very good countering shutter shock and i am not seeing any problem using up to ISO 6400. In my opinion its easier to make a sharp shot on the D850 than D800. Plus it has the added option of using electronic shutter in case you wanted a super clean ISO 64 shot in low light on tripod.

      • silmasan

        Not really. If you’re shooting under bright sunlight (equipped with reflectors, scrim and maybe powerful strobes for example), you’ll be getting in the faster than 1/800sec zone most of the time which is more than enough for even a 200mm lens. Anything shorter/wider and you’ll have an easier time getting sharp shots. Increasing ISO to 400 won’t rob too much DR either so you’ll still have plenty of choice to make a shot work and still get the most res out of it.

        • Thom Hogan

          Certainly there are differences in the way we shoot. Sports and wildlife, if we’re not at or above 1/1000 we have problems to start with.

          Where things get more worth discussing is with photography such as events or weddings, where you very well may be in low light that requires longer shutter speeds. But you’re still going to have to convince me that a 12% linear resolution increase has pushed us over some edge we didn’t know about.

          • silmasan

            Yes, I was talking more about people portraits, not flying or highly animate subjects (well maybe cats & puppies). A monopod would be enough to solve the low light / longer shutter speed situations (at least for me), but then it’s the same whether shooting at 24, 36 or 45mp.

      • Thom Hogan

        If we are examining same sized prints and those prints aren’t larger than the 24mp camera can produce natively (e.g. 20″ long axis), you are absolutely correct. You shouldn’t see blur in the D850 image taken the same way. You might actually see a little edge acuity increase, as you’re essentially downsizing the D850 image against the D750 image.

        • I doubt that many people who have the d850 will be making huge prints. I get the need for a tri pod if you want the max sharpness and crispness. Of if you want massive prints for a gallery. But I’m thinking lots of people zoom in to an image at 1:1 or higher on a 4k monitor and panic over sharpness or noise, but when would an end user/client ever see an image up that close?

          • Thom Hogan

            Depends on the client. Some editorial, business, and advertising clients these days demand the original files, so they’d see what your shot discipline is.

      • ZMWT

        Yes, that is one of utter lies that became myths everyone believes in, because they are spread by the wildfire of ignoramuses on forums and blogs. Just because evryone is parroting them, it does not mean they are truths. TCS and other YouTubers perpetrate those myths over and over again.

    • Max

      That is only if you want to take full advantage of the extra resolution.
      Your noticeable resolution compared to the D750 will be similar or better at the same shutter speeds.

      • Aldo

        Not at lower handheld shutter speeds… I think this subject draws a lot of confusion.

        • Max

          Yes I must be missing something.

          • Aldo

            Easiest way to think about it (although not 100 percent technically correct) if you think of motion blurr as a single pixel of a photo smeared into two pixels of a 24 mp ff sensor and then compare that to the same photo taken by a 52mp sensor. You now have a single pixel ‘smeared’ into three other pixels. So you end up with four smeared pixels instead of 2… there is more to it than that… for example what if the pixel that was supposed to capture the ‘smeared’ is simply not there? That means the motion will not be captured.

            • Eledeuh

              I… think there is a bit of a misunderstanding at work here.

              The angular movement of your subject is constant, it won’t change because you’re using a different camera (given the same sensor size, of course), so the surface projected on the sensor doesn’t change either. The only thing that changes is the amount of pixels that are “activated” by that projection. What this means is that *afterwards* you can control if you wish to use a 42MP grid, a 36MP one, 24, 16, 12, 8, or whatever else fits your need. The blur is tied to the surface covered on the sensor, not to the amount of pixels.

            • Aldo

              No misunderstanding… if you get a tack sharp photo, you will get more detail than that of a lower res sensor… if you get a blurry photo, you will get more ‘detail’ of the blurriness than that of a lower res sensor. simple logic… no need to break your head around it.

            • Eledeuh

              > if you get a tack sharp photo, you will get more detail than that of a lower res sensor

              That’s why we use higher resolution sensors yes, so far so good..

              > if you get a blurry photo, you will get more ‘detail’ of the blurriness than that of a lower res sensor

              Yes, and if you downsample that, it will look crisper than the equivalent blurry photo on a lower res sensor.

              Wrap up: you don’t “need to” have better shooting discipline if you don’t want the additional pixels, when downsampling you ensure at the minimum as good a result as what a sensor of the target size would have given.

              ..and when you’re in good light you can probably afford the slightly higher shutter speed anyway (which, by the way, is a lower bump than for a 24MP DX sensor, 24MP DX = ~52MP FX).

            • Aldo

              And back to the reviewers original statement. ‘If you want the most out of this 46 sensor, put it on a tripod’ why throw away more pixels otherwise?

            • Eledeuh

              That’s not at all what you were arguing though.

              And you specifically said that you didn’t “need more pixels”, that’s perfectly fine ; we’re just saying that having more pixels is absolutely not a problem in itself:
              – you want more pixels = you’ll need a stricter shooting technique
              – you don’t want more pixels (you are here) = you don’t need stricter shooting technique
              – you want less pixels = you can get away with a less strict shooting technique

              You wrote somewhere else:

              > Yeah but why throw all those pixels away when you can trash fewer with a lower rea sensor?

              It’s not like throwing away pixels costs you anything, you’ll spend a bit more for data storage on one hand, and gain more resolution every-time you can use lower shutter speeds on the other hand. AND, you’ll get slightly crisper 24MP shots in any case.

            • Thom Hogan

              Your math needs a lot of work. The linear increase is not two smeared pixels versus four smeared pixels, even if I were to use that example. It would be basically three smeared pixels versus four smeared pixels. Of if the 24mp sensor wasn’t smeared at all, then the 45mp sensor would be partly smeared into the adjacent pixel.

            • Aldo

              I knew it was a rough example to begin with… but I think the point is there though

        • Stuart Crowther

          As a fellow D750 shooter I have the same concerns as you, maybe rent one for a day to see what the real story is.

          • Aldo

            Basically 2/3 of a stop faster shutter speed to get the ‘apparent’ same results. Thats my experience with dx 24mp vs ff 24mp

            • Thom Hogan

              That’s not far off from what we’ve been saying for years (film was full frame ;~). But, this is for pixel peeping.

              You have to speak about equivalent scenarios. And that means you have to discuss output. If your output is 800 pixel wide Facebook photos, hey, a smartphone works just fine. If we’re talking about 20″ prints, it shouldn’t matter if you using 24mp or 36mp or 45mp, though the higher counts might actually accrue a benefit from downsizing. If we are trying to max out our print size and go beyond the 300 dpi barrier, then a 24mp sensor at 36″ print needs to be handled just as well as a 45mp sensor ;~).

            • Aldo

              Yeah but why throw all those pixels away when you can trash fewer with a lower rea sensor? Also pixel peeping is a VERY loose term…come on Thom you should know that =)

            • Thom Hogan

              Who said we’re throwing away pixels? I didn’t.

              If you take an image at 24mp with a D750 and the same image with a 45mp D850 and downsize it to 24mp properly, the D850 image will have more edge acuity and very low level detail.

              I’ve written it since the start of digital (pre-DSC): more sampling is always better. We’re currently in a similar discussion to the original CD discussions. Is it better to have a brick wall filter at 20KHz—which is above where we hear—or to oversample at 44Khz or even higher?

              If you know anything about digital wave forms, you know the answer to that question: oversample.

            • El Aura

              The difference to audio is that nobody looks at audio at “100%”.

            • Thom Hogan

              And yet some can hear the difference.

            • El Aura

              But at 100%, not only some, but most people will be able to see the difference [of oversampling]. The audio equivalent would be very specific ‘test’ sounds being juxtaposed, but all audio comparisons I have ever heard about were people comparing actual music, not test sounds.

        • António

          How low are the speeds you’re thinking of and what kind of lens* you’d use for that?

          * Focal distance and maximum aperture. VR or no VR.

          Would you feel confident to do it with the D810 and te same exact conditions, including the ISO?

          Would you be able to raise the ISO or open 1 more stop if necessary?

          Do you remember the many post and comments going around the internet saying the D810 couldn’t be used handheld by the time it came to the market with its 36Mpx?

          • Aldo

            1/30 with 35mm non vr and 1/60 s with vr lens 24-200mm range

            • António

              If you shoot at these speeds and are happy with the results there are no reasons to dramatize about the D850 because I’m convinced that you’ll be able to adapt to its particularities.

              However there is one aspect I do agree with you, I’d prefer a lower Mpx count not only because these eventual difficulties but also the weight of the files.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      If you have decent hand holding, it’s still going to be sharper than a D750. But to wring every bit out of it, tripod it. Same with a D750, It’s sharper on a tripod MUP than hand held.

      • Stuart Crowther

        True, same story with flash, 1/60th with flash vs hand held 1/60th is sharper on D750.

    • silmasan

      I don’t mind tripod and 100-150mp as long as the subject isn’t hyperactive. 🙂 But I agree 20-24mp FX is the sweetspot for shooting handheld without worrying about wasted resolution (and therefore filesizes and time spent processing).

    • 24×36

      If you want to get the most out of ANY camera, it belongs on a tripod. Nothing new under the sun here. And in no way will a higher megapixel camera give you a “lesser” result than a lower megapixel camera shot using the same technique, tripod or otherwise. Quite the reverse, in fact.

      Will you be able to *see* the results of poor technique easier when you “pixel peep?” Sure, but that is only because you’re effectively magnifying the image more when you view at 100% with more pixels, NOT because the results aren’t every bit as good as, and in fact better than, the result of doing exactly the same thing with a camera with fewer pixels.

      • Aldo

        Give it time… if you could see the bacteria on your hands… you would wash them more thoroughly.

    • fanboy fagz

      maybe the d760 will get the d810 sensor, just updated?

      Im getting the d850 for weddings and I know the mp is overkill but Ill be shooting it at M fine (6,192 × 4,128 (25.5 MP)) and thats way much. the d750 lacks the 250 sync and 8000 shutter which bothers me. they wont add it in the next version.

      • Aldo

        You may me right there about them not adding the sync and shutter max. D850 is fine as long as you know what you are getting into.

        • fanboy fagz

          for me the D850 is a great camera that has everything a wedding protog needs. the D3s and d4 will be my go to cameras for the dance floor/low light above iso 5000, but all the rest, that d850 shutter is going to get a beatdown.

          btw, an fyi, photographylife.com short review, the mRAW looks very promising. though I dont shoot raw often unless I see ill need to recover highlights at times, its good to know its there. I was considering getting the d5 down the line, its not such a worthy successor imo so the d850 makes the most sense. I hope they add peaking in 4k video in firmware. cheers bro.

  • Lladnar

    Shame they still omit the touch screen thumb sliding for focus point select as on the D5500. With this many points available that would be really convenient. Glad this guy sees the benefit of this feature and pointed it out.

    • Connor

      I’ve not run into any issues using lenses with VR files look plenty sharp to me even when dropping the shutter speed. Of course with primes it’s a little more difficult but not impossible. I could get away with almost a full second with my A7RII thanks to the IBIS but I don’t miss it as it only came in handy now and then.

      Every camera has its limits and quirks you just have to work around them. It’s the reason I dumped my A7RII and went for the D850. I’d had the Sony since launch and I was starting to hit the limits too often. Not to mention getting a lens fixed in the UK was nothing short of a nightmare. But if I have to be a little more aware of my shutter speed with primes or lenses lacking VR not really a big deal to me.

    • chromedome

      I dunno — I’ve not used it, but it seems like my nose could be moving focus points by accident! Just tried the joystick on the 850, though, and it is sweet.

      • Thom Hogan

        The usual problem with touch LCD focus control is that the minute you start sweating or there is a lot of moisture in the air, it starts to fail.

        • chromedome

          Yep, I’ve wondered about this — using my D810, etc, the LCD gets partially fogged just from breathing, perspiration, etc. I give it a quick wipe so I can check the histogram, etc. Will soon learn if a touch screen is a disadvantage when viewing previews and histograms right after a shot.

          Right now, my biggest problem with the touch screen for menu usage is simply remembering to use it! Years upon years of button-navigation is hard to unlearn. And when I unlearn it on the D850, I’ll no doubt be trying to touchscreen my D810.

          • Thom Hogan

            The other thing no one is talking about is watch when he demonstrates how he’d want that touch focus on the LCD to work. Pay particular attention to his hands and how “well” the camera is being held.

    • Thom Hogan

      Can’t say that I’d want it. I do want it on cameras without a way to control focus cursor, sure, but not on one that has a perfectly fine way of controlling the focus cursor.

      On a D850, it’s a long stretch for me to get my thumb to the LCD and it distorts my hand position in a way that isn’t conducive to good shot discipline. As it is, I wish the joystick were about 1/16″ to the right of where it is.

  • well fergs, i already bought two and waiting. but then I don’t follow reviewers but decide on my own decision if it should be kept. i mean i had 2 d800e and 2 d810 and i returned 1 d810 as im happy with the d800e. but couldnt return both d810 cause of its dynamic range. but traded my d800es to get both d850. hopefully i dont return both and keep at least 1.

    • Lukasz

      it sounds like g.a.s.

  • eric

    This guy is a good reviewer. Watched his reviews of other cameras before. Im not buying the d850 but i respect honest reviews about new products.

    • this is pretty much the only YouTube channel I watch for reviews

      • Mike

        Bonus points that they’re Canadian. 🙂

        • Brent Rawlings

          Yup. The store is about 20 minutes from my house in downtown Calgary. Great store. Great people too.

          • Fly Moon

            I used to live 5 min from the store 🙂

      • Mehdi R

        My last watched review of D7500 before buying it was Chris’s last month field test and it was great. But my main review source is Tony Northrup 🙂

      • jvossphoto

        Steve Perry has good reviews and very useful youtube videos.

        • Oh yes, I forgot him – so there are two YouTube channels that I am watching 🙂

        • Fly Moon

          By far, my fave is Steve Perry.

          • Lyle Cameron

            Steve Perry is fantastic.

      • John Matthews

        The buddy dynamic is probably what sells me. I’d rather there be more technical evaluations to it (and why, by god, did we not hear how the regular, Q, *and* silent shutters sounded side by side?), but they’re great. The year-end videos are great.

      • Michal Zdunek

        you forgot to read reviews on KR….

        • No Kens for me 🙂

      • Daniel Högberg

        Yes, tcstv is the best. Serious and fun at the same time. Just great!

      • Greg Smith

        I watch tcstv and Tony and Chelsea Northrup camera review videos as well.

    • fanboy fagz

      I like that jordon talks about videos. for me its relevant. for future wise, I will need to shoot videos here and there. and many times clients pay me a little extra to shoot a part in videos in an event. so I use a camera on a tripod and make a few extra bucks. the hybrid photographer

  • just called Camera Canada (in Ontario) – they had a couple D850 in stock and I should get it in Vancouver on Monday. 🙂

  • David C. Lester

    Has anyone made large prints of images made with the D850 to see how much impact the additional megapixels have?

  • Claude Mayonnaise

    The D850 is so badass it bit Jordan’s hand

  • Photoman

    Are the the A7RII compressed raw files equal in quality to the the D850 lossless compressed files?

    • Thom Hogan

      In what way? The Sony compression can put annoying artifacts near bright/dark boundaries. Nikon Lossless has no such artifacts, it restores the original data.

      In terms of dynamic range, Sony compression also tends to gobble a bit (essentially 11-bit recording when all is said and done). So if the full dynamic range at base ISO is desired, you are at a disadvantage in the extremes (but Sony’s compression does tend to preserve small tonal ramps better).

  • David C. Lester

    Thanks, Stuart, I had not seen this. I’d like to do some close-up pixel peeping, but these looked pretty good!

  • Proto

    How are you archiving all those large volume wedding photos in 70-100mb sizes?

    • JasonsArgonauts

      4TB drives. 6 of them. Three in the computer (date ordered) and three external backup drives. Although with the amount of weddings and commercial images I shoot, I’m due to get some more. The drives are relatively cheap and easily worth it for peace of mind and being able to shoot at the highest quality settings possible.

    • ToastyFlake

      Files are coming in a little over 50mb, lossless compressed. Still big, but significantly better than 70-100mb.

  • Daniel Högberg

    My wrists and back is hurting just by watching the video where those guys hold that big heavy brick! My god! I will never buy such a big camera again! I went from the Nikon D3 to a D600.. the D600 was to heavy and big so now Im primarily using m43 cameras – and when they feel to big I take my Nikon J5 instead. Could not be happier 🙂

    • Michiel953

      I feel your pain.

    • TurtleCat

      When that J5 feels too big there’s always your smartphone. And when that’s too big there’s always your eyes and memory… 🙂

      • Mike

        There’s always the gym.

    • Lyle Cameron

      Received my D850 yest. It is amazing but to your remarks, it is big and heavy.

  • Cynog

    Personally, I think the DSLR is a long way from being dead, though I dream of one with a hybrid viewfinder to please all folks. For my own part, I don’t much care for EVFs. On a bright day, I can’t see anything through the finder for several seconds until my eye becomes accustomed to the drop in light. That could miss me a good shot.

    • ToastyFlake

      Aside from that current advantage of the optical viewfinder, are there any other reasons to keep manufacturing ILCs with mirrors?

      • IronHeadSlim

        Better focusing speed and accuracy.

        • jypfoto

          Ill give you speed in most cases but Accuracy? Mirrorless have the advantage of not having to auto focus fine tune. Also with Eye AF, or makes focusing on the Eye easier and more accurate.

          • TurtleCat

            Accuracy is really with continuous AF. Tracking AF with mirrorless is getting better but it’s not as accurate. For single point static AF I would agree with you.

          • IronHeadSlim

            Yes, like TurtleCat said, I was thinking about tracking accuracy.

      • 24×36

        I’d lose the word “current” there. An OVF will always be an advantage.

        • ToastyFlake

          What advantage(s) of ovf do you think an EVF can never overcome?

          • 24×36

            Lag (you can *reduce* EVF lag, you cannot eliminate it) – nothing beats the speed of light.

            Battery consumption – I can look through an OVF all day without even turning on the camera. An EVF requires the camera to be on and battery to be continually being drained in order to view anything much less take photos.

            Sensor heating – EVF requires the sensor to be used to generate the image, causing sensor heating not necessary with an OVF. Heat adds to image noise.

      • Cynog

        For me, the optical viewfinder is a huge advantage. I don’t need an EVF, though I realise they have a different appeal. If I had to use a camera with one (there being no other choice), I would of course, but at my age (71) I don’t think I have to worry too much. I have a D4, D810, D850 and Pentax K-1, all with relatively low shutter counts, so I think I’m covered. But a DSLR with a hybrid (or a separate built-in EVF, or one that slides into the hotshoe) would be wonderful. That would be the best of both worlds and something a mirrorless camera couldn’t match, unless it had something like the Fuji X-Pro series, with its parallax problems and lens jutting into the field of view.

    • fanboy fagz

      the DSLR is a long way from being dead

      for sure. mirrorless still lacks things pros need. the ergonomics is crap on all of them. battery life is crap. two basic things every pro needs. adding a grip is not the solution, the ergonomics still suck ass. most of the hand is holding the upper body which…sucks ass and fatigues the hand. I think the D850 feels fantastic in the hand and even the single digit bodies are perfectly ergonomic for long day use. although the d850 with a grip will be huge. plus theres tons of lenses to choose from. and doesnt overheat.

      I hope nikons gets their ml ff camera right.. I wont be moving anytime soon though. just hope they get more customers instead of the many that trickles to ml. especially for video. love the feel/ergonomics and heft of the dslr.

  • manattan

    How loud is the shutter versus the 810? In the camerastoretv review it sounds like it is louder. I haven’t made it to the store to test it myself, but just curious since you shoot both, what your take is?

    • JasonsArgonauts

      I personally think it’s quieter in QC mode, although it’s just a different sound, as opposed to a quieter one. It’s less invasive during a quiet moment, lets put it that way. It sounds more dampened and thuddy, rather than clicky like the D5 or D810. You need to hear it in person to get what I mean! Haha!

      • Michiel953

        It sounds as loud or as silent as the 810, just a bit tinnier. Probably a result of the mechanical measures taken to eliminate shutter shock.

        • JasonsArgonauts

          Hmmm, I think it sound like more of a thud rather than a tinnier sound. Still, it’s all subjective! Haha!

          • Michiel953

            Yeah I know. My D810 is gone, so it’s all done by fading memory…

  • br0xibear

    No, Nikon just change the DXXX number, do some fancy marketing, invite youtubers to parties (sorry, press launches) and convince people to sell their obvioulsy useless 2 year old camera for an even more expensive, shiny “new” one.
    Shhhhh…don’t tell anyone, they’ll get upset. Lol.

  • Asterix7

    Looking into buying it with grip, however the charger for the el18b grip battery, called MH26aak is about 400$us?? Is that the only option to get to 9fps ? Any 3rd party chargers ? This is almost 50% of the cost ! Not even sure it charges the normal camera battery, and I just ordered a double charger for 30 eur.

    • Ed Hassell

      If you search Amazon carefully, you will find an OEM version of Nikon’s MH26 charger for less than $100. I bought it and it has worked just fine for me. Doesn’t say Nikon any on it but it looks identical and seems to operate identically as well.

  • Curious to know if you shot the wedding full resolution or opted for mRAW? If you did the latter, have you edited those images at all and what did you think of those files? Thanks in advance.

    • JasonsArgonauts

      I always shoot in 14-bit lossless compressed at full resolution to get the absolute most out of each file and haven’t even looked at the MRaw option. The biggest thing for me hasn’t been the storage, but the time it takes for ACR to do adjustments. It’s fine for the first dozen or so shots, then it starts to slow down as the cache fills up. A restart sorts it, but it’s clear that even on my octo core i7, 64gb ram, dual SSD, 6gb graphics card machine is struggling. Everything is optimised properly for PS & LR and there’s nothing else open at the time, so it’s the software itself and it starts out great, just slows down as it goes on. Fingers crossed that Lightroom 7 can sort the issues out. But the files are magnificent. The same dynamic range as the D810 but with about an extra stop of low light ability. It’s more about the autofocus and general handling of the camera though, it’s just a step above the D810 in almost every single way. The only thing I’m missing is my battery grip. I’ve always shot with one and I’m finding it uncomfortable without. Nikon say they’re on their way, but there’s no sign yet and I’ve shot two weddings without one. I need that grip! Haha!

      • KnightPhoto

        Definitely like the advance rumour that LightRoom 7 is all about performance…

  • mas921

    TCSTV finds the video AF bad, Tony said it was better than GH5 or A7R2…? it was clearly hunting in this review though

  • disqus_hlLLDdz9K1

    I am now very concerned about the quality control of D850. Got my camera today, and try it with a new Lexar XQD card on it. After a few shoots, the camera lost its connection with card, and got an error message “cannot access this memory card”. Reinsert it and the error disappear. I then try my SD card and remove XQD, and get flashing [Rrd + [Err] on the control panel. Then I push SD and XQD together, this time I have flashing [Err] in control panel and view finder, according to the manual, this means ‘camera malfunction’… disappointed.

    • Lyle Cameron

      Received my D850 yesterday and testing with the Sony 128gb xqd card, having no problems. I’m wondering if your problem could be the card and not the camera. Hope you get this resolved soon.

      • disqus_hlLLDdz9K1

        hope so. I am going to buy a new SD and try again. but XQD is sold-out… however the likelihood of both cards are dead is quite low…

    • D700s

      No problems here with Lexar XQD and SDXC.

      • KnightPhoto

        What did you do with your second D850?
        (inquiring minds want to know)

  • dikiz

    Why you never share the Angry Photographer’s review? Not a reproach, just asking. Thanks

    • Max

      Ahhh.. A can of worms. Shall we open it?

      • no let’s keep it closed please 🙂 I usually delete this type of posts

    • Luca Motz

      Because you know more about the camera before the review than after 😉

    • because his opinions are worthless – most of the times he just repeats what he reads here on NR or he just makes stuff up to get more click and for many other reasons including spamming this blog for months, I basically encourage everyone to boycott his channel for spreading fake news, every reference to him or his channel here will be deleted

      • chromedome

        I’d never heard of him, but someone posted a link to his D850 review on FB: He didn’t seem angry to me, just kind of scattered and disturbed. Each moment was more interesting than the next…. 🙂

        • you have not missed anything, nothing to see there, move on…

    • Regular Car Reviews are the only “angry” reviews worth watching. All else does not deserve to be spoken of.

  • Julian

    Just had the chance to watch the review in full, great review, love the sense of humour, and definitely a very interesting upgrade this one.

  • Lucas Andersen

    Better focusing speed and accuracy.

  • John W

    Anyone experience with D850 grip mb-d18? Just got it with D850. Grip’s sub-command dial (front index selector wheel) is very stiff and lot more imbedded into grip. My D700 mb-d10 grip’s wheel is positioned a hair more towards outside and turns really smoothly without much pressure needed – very similar to body sub command dials. Anyone got similar experience – ie is this a ‘feature’ or do I have a one-off dud? D850 works fine so far – no issues with card readers, and focussing works great. Quick tests photo’s at iso 1600, F2.8, 200mm, 1/80s no VR shows that D850 focuses better and less vibration than D800 – pleasant surprise ! Also iso 1600 seems very useable SOOC.

  • KnightPhoto

    OK – Holy Mackerel, a print that is bigger than the life-size person(!), and at ISO 6400 mind you – just get the freaking camera everybody 😉

  • Gerdy

    Last test I can make every camera mistake. Intentional wrong setting and you get something like that. When you target, focus camera on object that moves. Continuous settings. And maximum number of focus points.

  • It’s not even about who was right or wrong – sometimes I am wrong too, it’s the way he presented it – he was 100% sure and he was trolling big time about it in order to get his clicks. He was spamming this and other blogs and he has been doing this for months. Don’t get me wrong, we all want more clicks – it’s what you do in order to get them. I am perfectly fine not posting anything for several days on the blog if I have nothing important to say. I am also 100% sure 🙂 that he has no sources and he is making everything up. Note also that he scraps this and several other websites for information and presents everything as his own. If I post something here, it will end up on his channel 30 min later. I have said it multiple times and will say it again – we have to boycott this behavior, otherwise it will get worse.

    • dikiz

      Hehe yes he did that lately about the Nikon guy interview who was pretended that pros don’t use fujifilm, sony, etc. Well AngryPhotographer’s point was right (that statement is outdated), but he was pretending having found the news on the Chinese source with Google Translate. No room for doubt though that he didn’t stumble upon that article in chinese but went to NR and just read it there….

      • Yes, that has been the case for a very long time…

  • yes, many sites shared his video without having a clue – but then again, this is nothing new

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