B&H updated the shipping date of Nikon DL cameras to March, 2017


Earlier this month I reported that the new rumored shipping date for the Nikon DL cameras is March, 2017. B&H recently updated their product listing for two DL models with "Expected availability: Mar 2017":

Update: B&H removed the expected availability date from their listings.


Thanks Aldo!

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  • Clubber Lang

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    • T.I.M

      I did not think that kind of humor would be your cup of T !

    • Zeneti

      oh yes… had me in stitches, rolling on the floor laughing my massive buttocks off.

      Gonna tell all the lads at work that one!

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      Wished Nikon (somemay say) get their act together and it should be straight forward to deliver the DL’s 2 market asap and then use the same tech / derivation of the tech to updating the Nikon 1 series.

      Sorry for the Rant – Dave the Rave… Just want Nikon to be as successful as possible.

  • Photobug

    I enjoyed the cartons. I am not surprised…you have excellent sources.

  • longzoom

    So what is a exact size of that CX format sensor?

    • Captain Megaton

      Yeah, 1″. 13.2 x 8.8 mm active area or 1/2.7x the area of FX.

      • David

        I think it’s correct to say the diagonal is 1/2.7x the diagonal of FX. FX sensor area is about 860mm². A 1″ sensor is only 116mm², so closer to 1/7.5x the size.

        • Captain Megaton

          You’re absolutely correct! I was looking at the wrong column of my spreadsheet. 😛

  • lordbaldric

    lol @ the cartoon.

  • Wolfejiang

    Do you guys think will it be selling well? One year delay for the tech product means the market will drop more than half, especially the camera product in today. If I was Nikon, I probably should announce upgraded version rather than original one. I think this is the only way can maintain customer’s interesting on your product.

    • dabug91

      Nothing new has come out since these cameras’ announcement in the 1″ segment that really renders them obsolete, so nah.

      • David Peterson

        Sony has basically released another new RX100 in their release cycle while we’ve been waiting on Nikon… :-/ 🙁

        • pjpo

          That added PDAF the DL already announced with. Sizable price difference from $650 to $1000, and most people I know with an RX100 don’t even use the pop up EVF.

      • Thom Hogan

        Not true. Sony RX100V and Panasonic LX10, to name two. Moreover, Sony decided to leave the older RX’s in production, which has resulted in cameras that are cheaper than the DL 24-85.

        This was a monumental screw up by Nikon. Other vendors took sales from Nikon. It’s entirely unclear whether Nikon can get some of those back. I don’t think Nikon’s potential dropped in half as @wolfejiang:disqus thought, but the potential is definitely lower than it was for everything except perhaps the DL 18-50.

        • nhz

          For me the DL24-85 could still be interesting if the lens avoids the limitations of RX100 and other competitors. I have considered several of them but they all have limitations that make them a less than great alternative to a compact DSLR kit. Most of these compacts have either a slow lens, soft corners at the long or short end, limited zoom/closeup range or pretty bad image quality for closeup. Admittedly, the somewhat comparable 15-85 zoom on my Canon DSLR is horrible at closeup as well and could use better corners in the WA range ;-(

          If the 24-85 is good optically across the range AND has nice closeup image quality (maybe not realistic for this price?), I’m interested. The 18-50 certainly looks interesting as well for e.g. city photography and action shots 🙂

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          agree should have done the dl years ago and improved its features in future family / revisions of each model

        • dabug91

          Again, the RX100V and LX10 don’t render the DL’s obsolete. And the RX100V is $350 more than the DL 24-85, and what huge advantage does it offer over the 24-85? None I can really find. And I doubt most people who already own an RX100III or RX100IV have even bothered to upgrade to the RX100V, and maybe RX100II owners haven’t yet either.

          • Thom Hogan

            You’re clearly not looking very hard: the RX100V has a built-in EVF.

            But in terms of other things, we simply won’t know much until we can actually test a DL 24-85 against a Sony RX100V (or maybe VI by the time the DLs ship ;~).

            Personally, the RX100III is/was the best price/performance of the bunch to me, and currently US$100 more than the non-existent DL 24-85. Plus it has the EVF you can’t see.

        • David

          What USP does the LX10 have? The f/1.4 aperture is only useful from 24mm to 30mm equivalent, so only a tiny bit better than Sony and worse than the G7X.

        • Diversity for Israel

          Yep, I’m only enduring Nikon’s BS because of the 18-50.

          If I were the market for the other DL:s I would have already jumped ships, and if Sony had released a 18-50 competitor I’d have looked into it.

        • pjpo

          The mkIII would be the only one that could be remotely comparable with a fast lens, and add an EVF and Sony apps. It is also still $750. You also lose PDAF, touch screen, greater reach, Snapbridge (if that gets updated), hot shoe, filter threads, etc.

    • Captain Megaton

      I don’t think 12 months of progress changes the market dynamics all that much. The RX100 is what it is, the DL and the LX10 and the Canons G7X are just permutations of Sony’s original formula.

      I suspect the bigger worry is that the market as a whole has moved on, that the RX100-style camera with its 1″ sensor isn’t all that interesting or appealing anymore.

      • Thom Hogan

        See my comment, above. Sony kept the older RX100 models in production at lower prices. The real question here is whether there are people buying 1″ compacts, testing them, and abandoning them for other 1″ compacts. Because Nikon’s lateness to the market is really going to test that. Canon, Panasonic, and Sony have had a long run with no Nikon product on the market.

        • Captain Megaton

          In Sony’s case, a *very* long run. My gut feeling is while a few people are upgrading from one to another up the chain, most people bought one and either stuck with it or sold it for something else entirely. Of the people buying them today, only a small minority are getting the top tier, most expensive model. The majority are happy to get a RX100 iii or iv for the reduced price. (This is a guess. I have no idea what Sony’s volumes look like on the various RX100 models.)

          • Diversity for Israel

            That’s because Sony hasn’t yet introduced a significant sensor upgrade for its RX100 series. IQ hasn’t changed much between the M1 and M5.

            Once Sony starts churning out a much different sensor I suspect there’ll be more renewals.

            • Thom Hogan

              Not true. We’ve had two significant sensor upgrades in the RX100 series, the first was the introduction of BSI which improved things about a 1/3 of a stop, the second was the move to stacked, which introduced far faster shooting and focus performance.

            • Diversity for Israel

              I wouldn’t call BSI a significant one, given that the comparisons at the time showed only minute differences in sensitivity – at the expense of sharpness.

              Improved AF came recently, yes, but this again didn’t impact image quality per se.

              So I’m of the opinion that if you don’t need crazy AF speed (and I suspect many people don’t) there’s no practical difference in terms of IQ between the MkI and the MkV.

            • Thom Hogan

              Okay, but the RX100 1 is selling for US$450 new these days, which is considerably less than the DL 24-85 will sell for, which was sort of the point that set this whole discussion in motion.

              Nikon’s a bit screwed either way: they can’t claim lowest price, they can’t claim highest spec. That means that the DL had better be darned well balanced and nuanced and that Nikon’s marketing can make that clear.

            • Diversity for Israel

              I certainly agree. They have to play the “middle point” game, i.e. “we aren’t the cheapest, nor the newest, nor the best spec’ed – but we offer the best bang for the bucks !”.

              Although this being Nikon, I wouldn’t expect too much in terms of finesse of speech. And that year long delay really pressures them in terms of price – personally I wouldn’t by any of the DLs (save for the 18-50 which has no competition) at MSRP.

          • Thom Hogan

            With only a little more information than you, I would guess the same thing.

            This is another tricky thing for the camera companies: they want to raise prices, but it’s clear that remaining demand is still quite price sensitive. I could see that clearly in data with Nikon’s discounting of the D500 over Christmas.

    • sickheadache

      I got a message from the President of Sigma(who did this same stunt a few years back) Akihiro Sigma No!

    • T N Args

      They should have started working on the next version a year or more ago, so still some time away for sure. But it would be nice if they have gen-2 firmware ready…

    • pjpo

      I don’t see it changing now, but mic input would be a great addition. In comparisons I’ve read, the DL doesn’t support video people as well as the RX line, and that is a solid user base for these cameras. Other than that, the DL24-500 doesn’t have the weather sealing of the 60% more expensive RX10iii (no PDAF though).

  • Politics_Nerd

    Why do people care about this camera?

    • TheMexican

      Because it should be a very good option, especially the 18-50mm

    • sickheadache

      I heard that Indiana Jones found these artifacts. Old Relics.

      • manattan

        Where they hiding at the Temple of Doom aka Nikon’s headquarters?

    • Aldo

      I still have my preorder on the 24-85… sony rx100 V is a 24-70 (equiv) and it sells for 1000 bucks… and no touchscreen. The AF on the DLs seem promising. I guess we just have to wait and see how they compare.

      • Captain Megaton

        wait being the operative word here

      • Eric Calabros

        Sony will soon add touch, 60fps4k, and insane AF claims to the feature list of the next model. But probably will charge $200 more.

        • BlueBomberTurbo

          The IV was $1K new, and so is the V, so that’s probably the limit Sony will stay at, depending on the price of the yen. Don’t forget, Nikon is raising prices again.

    • Wesley

      It has the widest focal length available on a compact (18-50).

      I personally like the convenient 24-85 range. Don’t like taking the DSLR on zoo trips and such.

      • dabug91

        85mm isn’t enough reach for a zoo trip anyway.

        • Aldo

          Better than a cellphone… and worth the compromise of carrying an SLR Imo.. plus it is 20mp… plenty of cropping power.

          • manattan

            Ahhh the allure of cropping on a one inch sensor. Unless you are making web pics you can’t crop on a one inch sensor like you do on a regular DSLR.

            • Aldo

              We are talking zoo photos though… taken at 100 iso… should be no problems… I’ve cropped photos from the cellphone at the zoo and they aren’t too bad… 1 inch sensor should do much better

            • Aldo

              This is from my cellphone all zoomed in… and it’s not even the original… got it from facebook.

            • Aldo
            • Aldo
            • dabug91

              That quality is too yuck to even be worthy of a small print.

            • Aldo

              This was zoomed in with the cellphone digital zoom. I think the dl zoomed it at 20mp would be ‘worthy’

            • David

              The best response to that is: the best camera is the one you’ve got with you. If Aldo’s not going to bring his DSLR or other large-sized camera with him, he wouldn’t be bringing home ANY shot. Thus, something like an RX100 or DL WILL be good enough for at least a small print.

            • Aldo

              Exactly.. like that time I went to the zoo… the cellphone is what I had… and it is what I could carry with me all the time. Hoping the dl is something that I can carry with me all the time.

            • scum

              Currently viewing at 13″ monitor 1366 x 768, this pics only sized 350 x 200 pixel, 20mp from cellphone camera good enough for this use

            • Aldo

              I think my cellphone frontal camera is only 8mp… and digital zoom which is straight out cropping. Now imagine the same photo taken with the dl at 85mm (equiv) at 20 mp. I think THAT is good enough.

        • Wesley

          Than the 24-500 is more for you.
          I’m going to a zoo, not a safari. Pictures are family with animals as the backdrop.

          • dabug91

            Then you might as well use a smartphone.

            • Wesley

              What’s your reasoning?

      • Davo

        “It has the widest focal length available on a compact (18-50)”
        By a considerable margin too. What’s the closest wide angle zoom compact camera?

        • silmasan

          Usually 24mm-equivalent, my fav is the 24-75 pana LX100 (4/3 i.e. bigger sensor than sony rx100 series and these DLs).

          • Davo

            Yea, there’re many 24-xx compact zooms. I just can’t think of one off the top of my head that goes wider. I thought maybe one of the old Panny LX series might have a 21mm equiv but I can’t find it with a quick Google search so maybe there aren’t any wider than 24mm?

            • David

              One of the new Panasonic or Sony compacts (I think it’s one of those two) starts at 20 or 21mm, but it’s got a 1/2.3″ sensor, so meh.

          • scum

            LX100 not even using all of 4/3 sensor, still can take good pics

          • BlueBomberTurbo

            Only problem with that is the res gets cut in nearly half.

  • Todd Warnke

    Wanna bet B&H made the change based on things they read at Nikon Rumors? 🙂

  • Tieu Ngao

    MY suggested retail prices:
    $600 for DL24-85
    $750 for DL18-50
    $850 for DL24-500
    $100 for optional EVF + free 2nd battery

    • Aldo

      Those will be the refurbished prices… I have to buy new though… I have the nikon repair center next door and I plan to abuse this camera.

    • Davo

      My suggested promo:
      Buy any two models and receive EVF and 2 spare batteries for free.

      • David

        THAT would be a very interesting promo…

        • Davo

          Going along the same thought process, the different DL models can be seen as complimentary depending on your needs. It would make sense to add a third DL model in the 70-200 range depending on how small they could make it.
          Actually, this would be why the Nikon 1 series should continue as it can be complimentary but expand the lens set to be more specialised. Leave the general popular focal lengths to the DL’s.
          And for goodness sake, make the Nikon 1’s compatible with SB speedlights and CLS.

  • Wesley

    More Nikon joke comics.

    • decentrist

      the truth

    • Diversity for Israel

      Ask Nikon execs to make a stand up comedy.

      Sketch 1 : the C.E.O., C.T.O. and C.M.O. discuss the damage control methods to adopt after it has surfaced that new LSI isn’t actually working.

      Sketch 2 : the C.M.O. prepares a mass e-mail to his marketing teams across the globe about how to break down the news to prospective buyers that the DL:s have been delayed for the 13th time. He knows his personnel is highly stressed out because the Customer Anger Management classes they got for free after the D600 « oil spots » fiasco didn’t help much until now. Maybe free luncheon vouchers for the duration of the delay will tame his team ?

  • RC Jenkins

    I believe that’s a typo. They meant March, 2018… 🙂

    • Adnan

      LOL , by then Sony might have introduced 4 new models 🙂

      • RC Jenkins

        We’ll be comparing the first generation Nikon DL’s to the Sony RX100…X
        🙂

  • maxx

    or.. “Where is Nikon D850?”…. =O

    • Adnan

      In our dreams mate 🙂

    • peter w

      In my dreams, I’d rather see a D820 first. Same camera, very small improvements (with great effect).
      Shake free mirror and shutter, state of the art AF, and – why not – 42 MP, backlit. Perfected live view modus and no one will need a mirrorless for microscopic photography or work at the theater / music hall.
      I’m afraid thus it will exceed 3500 euro allready.

      • KnightPhoto

        Nikon would have to put the ‘Silent Mode’ LiveView feature in the D820 to appeal Theatre / Recitals shooters. Only the D4 / D4S / D5 has this feature and it is very handy in those situations.

        • peter w

          What would we need more?
          (Perhaps an optional electronic viewfinder for the hot shoe.)

          • Eric Calabros

            a view finder above a view finder? That makes it the most ergonomically weird camera of the year.

            • peter w

              (One could easily make it to bend over the nice and big room with a view-finder which is so missing in, and thus makes us rather not want, a Sodony A7IIr, or which ever.)

            • David

              Heh, I did that for a bit when I had an Olympus E-M5 and the VF-4 viewfinder. Wasn’t quite as awkward as you might think.

            • Eric Calabros

              E-M5 body is much smaller/shorter than D8xx.

          • KnightPhoto

            Yes, optional EVF on all the DSLRs to enable Silent Mode Live View would be fantastic.

            I use a Hoodman Loupe on the rear screen in the interim.

            And let’s not forget OSPDAF to go with! (on sensor phase detect autofocus)

            Personally, give me all of this and I don’t need a mirrorless camera.

      • Allen_Wentz

        A minimally improved D810 but with D500 ergonomics plus dual XQD and 42 MP would suit me personally just fine. Please Nikon, for once just exactly duplicate the D500 ergonomics instead of making each new device a challenge to move back and forth to. I do not consider the D500 perfect but Nikon’s insistence on changing ergonomics with every body is INFURIATING.

        However I think that from a marketing standpoint Nikon needs to be more dramatic than that and should probably go the way Thom has suggested with h and x versions. The D810 is so good as is IMO they should lead with a >50 MP x version and add an h version at a later date (which would facilitate production logistics and also minimize cannibalizing of the D5).

        Note that when bringing out a top high-MP Nikon DSLR in 2017, Nikon _must_ get it right this time. No rush-to-market, no endemic oil spotting, etc.

        • peter w

          I heard someone say something about your view on ergonomics Allen:
          To all you people who say Nikon has bad ergonomics, I’ll say this, once and for all, and the best of photographers I know say this you know: It’s bullocks. Yes, it’s bullocks, it is. Because, anyone can see, Nikon has the best ergonomics in the world. This beautiful world. And yes it is consistent. It is. It’s the best of the beautiful products this country has ever made. Don’t you start lying about this.

          Personnaly, I agree with some points in this statement. I think all my D-Nikons felt familiar and were arranged in a consistent way. Coming from D70, using D800 now. Some minor changes, sometimes pleasant for me, sometimes less. No problem to recognise which camera is in your hand, and set it accordingly.

    • sickheadache

      Coming Soon..They are NOT on that Boat. Coming with a New 54MP Provided by Sony…And first time ever…New Battery Grip with Warm Settings to keep your hand toasty warm during the cold morning shoots.

  • Adnan

    If Sony can put an FF sensor (in probably a smaller body) ,Nikon should at least put a DX sensor.The market is very vast and tough and Nikon always enters late.

    • Davo

      Sure you could put a larger sensor in there. But your lens will grow too depending on the specs you want.

    • Wesley

      They had the Coolpix A.

      • David

        The Coolpix A and Ricoh GR are the two DX-sized compacts I can think of. The LX100 uses at least part of a m4/3-sized sensor. How many DX-sensored bridge cameras have there been? In “recent” times, I can only think of the Sony DSC-R1 and the Leica X-Vario. That possibly tells you what you should expect size-wise. I suppose you could see something like a Sony A6XXX-sized body with an improved version of the 16-70 hanging off the front as a fixed lens. That could be something interesting, but it would have to be quite an improvement for anyone to consider it.

        • Captain Megaton

          Also Fuji X70.

  • Mohd Shamsul

    Is this a record in terms of announcement to shipping time?

    • Thom Hogan

      Could be, but I seem to recall a couple of cancelled announced products in the digital era.

      • Mohd Shamsul

        Actually, the Contax N was longer. But since DL is still not out, Nikon could take the title from Contax.

    • Allen_Wentz

      Apparently Nikon is competing with Microsoft to be the vaporware King…

    • nwcs

      Unless we’re looking at Duke Nukem Forever…

  • mikew

    Can even Nikon be this incompetent ? is it a deliberate delaying tactic until they launch their mirrorless interchangeable DX in a few weeks (joke)

    • Thom Hogan

      If the second sentence is true, then the first sentence is true.

      • Mr_Miyagi

        Thom, you’ve commented on something like this before, I think: Does US commercial law allow Nikon to release a product so long after its initial announcement date while using the same name for it? I’ve been under the impression, perhaps an incorrect one, that after such a long delay, Nikon might have to change the name of the DL product line. The idea of the law, I thought, was to prevent companies from pre-announcing products that will not be released soon thereafter, merely as a strategy to freeze the consumer demand for a competitor’s product, i.e., such action constitutes an unfair trade practice.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Irrespective of legality, vaporware marketing tends to not enure to the benefit of a seller unless the seller already maintains a dominant industry position (like Microsoft did with Windows in the 1980s).

          Put another way, such marketing usually comes back to bite a non-dominant seller in the ass in the long run (e.g. Microsoft Surface 2012 introduction, 2013 delivery).

          Personally I think Nikon may get away with the DL incompetence with minimal downside because I do not think most DL buyers care much about past stupid, wasteful marketing expenditures if the cameras themselves work.

          • Mr_Miyagi

            But one of Nikon’s competitors might object and decide to sue, in which case Nikon might be forced to suspend sales of the DL cameras until the matter had been fully litigated. That should be of concern to Nikon’s customers, whether or not the cameras “work.”

            As it happens, I’m interested in the one DL model Nikon will not, according to the rumors, be releasing in March, the the 24-500mm. This is the DL I would buy to replace my Sony RX10 Mk I. The Nikon DL is cheaper and much smaller than the RX10 Mk III, making it more convenient. The DL also uses Phase Detection for autofocus, whereas the Sony as well as the Panasonic FZ2500, another competing camera, use Contrast Detection for AF. While the Panny AF is quite decent, it will not be as fast or as accurate as an AF system from Nikon.

        • Thom Hogan

          I don’t think so. There are laws about what you can call “new” and so on, but I’m not aware of a pre-announce law like you describe. There are pre-announce laws that apply to taking money from someone, but Nikon hasn’t done that.

  • pipe2null

    DL = Dead Labour (in pregnancy)

  • Ineedmy Bobo

    Nikon really needs some sort of good news or exciting announcement this year.

  • Gerry Mulholland

    I’ve seen so many questions as to ‘why is anybody interested in the DL?’ Talking about specs and obsolescence. Yeah, like everyone else I’m frustrated with the wait and it just doesn’t seem ‘new’ anymore. But, depending on your needs, the DL may still be a viable option for many people.
    Personally, I like to shoot environmental portraits and use my speedlights a lot. But I also travel a lot and sometimes it’s just not practical to bring my D750 and associated kit with me.
    1 aspect of the DL that captured my interest immediately was that it is compatible with Nikon CLS. At least with the DL24-85 and a couple of SB500s and small Flashbenders in my bag I should have a fairly capable small kit that allows me to take the photos I like to take while maintaining better creativity than I can get out of a cellphone.
    I know it will never replace my D750 and my 24-70, but that’s not what it’s meant to do.
    I’d rather have a small DL kit with me, than be kicking myself for missed opportunities while my D750 is back at home.
    I know it’s not for everyone. There will always be naysayers, but it’s different courses for different horses.
    You may not like, need or even rate the DL, and that’s a valid opinion.
    But for some, it holds the potential to be a valuable photographic tool and not quite ready to be dismissed just yet.

    • Thom Hogan

      Well, if you’re adding light, then some of the disadvantage of 1″ goes away. That’s why I thought it was a huge mistake to not make the Nikon 1 CLS compatible, especially considering that nice 32mm f/1.2 lens we eventually got.

      But this marks Nikon’s prevalence to “design to user” as opposed to “design to photography.” The Nikon 1 was supposed to appeal to young and women, and they don’t need/use Speedlights ;~). That paternalistic thinking keeps getting Nikon in trouble. I see this with the KeyMission cameras, too.

      • Allen_Wentz

        The only trouble with “Nikon’s prevalence to “design to user”” is that Nikon performs negligible meaningful market research. Ergo Nikon is not actually designing to user, but instead designing to some arrogant Nikon fantasy of what “user” is.

        • Thom Hogan

          When I wrote “design to user,” I mean that Nikon is designing to an arbitrary assumption of a user, as in woman, millennial, active lifestyle, etc. You are correct that they then put their own beliefs on what would work for that user into the product, but without much in the way of testing that on the actual target purchaser.

          This has always been the “tricky spot” in tech. In Silicon Valley we talk about “the golden gut”, but what we really mean is someone that has the ability to sift through the possibilities and see a real use pattern not being served. That usually happens because said person has a strong background and interest in the underlying tech/platform.

  • Andrei Sevela

    While specs looks promising..1 inch sensor wont be able to produce really nice images. Even few years old eos m will bit DL in image quality easily. Im pretty sure. So it depends what you need. They really suppose to ugrade it to aps size sensor, even if size would increase. At the moment it not so compact anyway

    • MB

      Define really nice …

      • doge

        The 1″ sensor will deliver ‘really nice’ photos outside on sunny days. Any other conditions the 1″ sensor will not deliver ‘really nice’ photos.

        • decentrist

          you haven’t used current gen Nikon 1

    • MonkeySpanner

      I think it will be at least equivalent of DX plus kit lens.

    • I’ve used the Sony RX10 II quite extensively, and I found it to have amazing image quality in daytime conditions, and quite impressive image quality even for nightscapes, as long as there was a little bit of moonlight on the landscape…

      Either way, as much as I’d love to see Nikon create DX versions of their DL concept, I’m at least eager to try out the super-compact option that is the 1″ sensor. It will make a nice 2nd or 3rd camera for my adventures and timelapse etc. content.

    • decentrist

      define really nice

    • Allen_Wentz

      We need to test production DLs of course, but this is 2017 and I think that a 1″ sensor CAN produce nice images.

      IMO the big challenge is in the ergonomics of “getting the shot,” and adding things to a compact camera like CLS (with all that entails, which is a lot), fast AF, brief shutter lag, high frame rate, etc. can be very significant. The glass of course needs to be decent, but Nikon does do good glass.

  • Eyal Darshan

    The comic really cracked me up, good job!

  • Narren Rot

    Unfortunately they have not updated the price…

    • MB

      They will … they are waiting for upcoming price increase …

      • Narren Rot

        ;D true story ;D

  • dclivejazz

    I doubt I’ll be interested in these since my Fuji gear is already fairly compact and easy to carry around when I don’t use my DSLR. But I’d consider the 24-85 version if it is substantially more compact. It might be useful for something like biking.

  • T.I.M
    • Considering how recently the 5D 4 was released, and how it still doesn’t beat the D810 for image quality, …I’m gonna wager that Nikon is going to take their sweet time on the D900. I mean really, all they need to do is toss the D5 AF and (hopefully even better) 4K video into the D810, maybe updating with the D500’s ergonomic improvements, ….and they’ve got a winning D900 recipe.

      So, I’d say no sooner than 6 months, but no greater than 18 months.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Personally I _hope_ Nikon is taking “their sweet time” to get it right. And as long as the D500 plus dual XQD is emulated the improvements you describe work for me; after handling I would preorder even at 36 MP.

        However I think what Nikon needs from a marketing standpoint is a new, higher-MP splash to move forward from the still-excellent D810.

      • Verco

        It’s not just “4k” that’s needed though. We good good codecs, 422, 10 bit, log, stabilization, etc etc. 4k is no good if the image quality is still shit

  • Pat Mann

    Still no price on the EVF on B&H’s site.

  • I honestly feel like this is oldschool Nikon come back to haunt us. We yelled at Nikon for all their QC / design flaw disasters from the D600 to the SB900, and we longed for the “olden days” when Nikon always seemed to just take their time and do things RIGHT the first time.

    Well, this is them doing it RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, I hope. It’s a shame that it’s taking this long, but then again we all had to wait what seemed like an eternity for revolutionary milestones like the D3, too.

    • nwcs

      The problem, ultimately, is one of communication. Nikon may be doing the right thing but not communicating with users with updates will really hurt them.

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  • Tom Taubert

    So it looks like there are no built in EVFs in Nikon’s 1″ lineup. That’s too bad. I need a camera (for urban photography) that I can pull out of my pocket, compose, shoot, and run away. The V1, 10mm, 18.5mm works great (at fire sale prices). When I wear this gear out, I’ll probably go for the Sony 6000 series.

    I met someone in the street that had one and compared it side by side with the V1. The a6000 is really sleek, pocketable, and of course has a crop sensor.

    I was thinking that maybe Thom was being to harsh, but he has correctly pointed out the mis-guided direction that Nikon is headed. You can’t get the critical moment fiddling around with the rear screen. Your physical presence alters the scene.

    I’ve used Nikon cameras for many years, but loyalty ain’t nothing to me. I need a tool for a job. If it’s Sony, Fuji, or Panasonic, so be it.

    grumble, grumble, grumble ….

    • Allen_Wentz

      Obviously viewfinding is a big deal. A primary reason that I shoot D3 & D500 most of the time is because “you can’t get the critical moment fiddling around with the rear screen.”

      That said, the competence of Live View on the D500 has changed my photography. One can capture many pix (urban in particular) _better_ using Live View (camera way lowered or raised high, for instance).

      If focusing on the DLs is similar or better than LV on the D500 (and it should be) then lack of EVF may be a reasonable trade-off to achieve small size.

  • Aldo

    Admin bh went back to ‘not available ‘ lol

  • RC Jenkins

    Poor Jeffy won’t know where the Nikon DL is. He wasn’t even conceived when the Nikon DL was supposed to have been released.

    • yes, they just changed it again…

  • Jon

    Must admit that I’m sorry I didn’t have my Leatherman with me in the spring of ’16 at the photo show in Birmingham (UK), as the Nikon stand had working examples of the DLs and I loved the feel, handling and pocketability of the 24-85 version and wish I’d just clipped the security wire, (so I could take some great pictures of the inside of my police cell…).
    I’m guessing not many folks have seen these beasts in the flesh but, as long as image quality’s up there with its supposed rivals, I reckon they’ll do pretty okay.
    Oh, and the EVF was better than I expected too, although I appreciate that’s damning with faint praise.

  • Paul Rumohr

    It seems that Nikon is embracing alternative facts but BH Photo is not.

    Bye bye March release date on the DL listings.

    • Aldo

      lol ‘alternative facts’ can’t believe a new term has been invented for people who flat out lie.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Also called a “Trumpism.”

  • Andrei Sevela

    The way Nikon communicate with clients is complite disrespect. I was really into this cameras as main vlogging camera, but all this mistery around dl’ s put me more and more towards other manufacturers. Even if dl will come in march by that time we might get more great cameras on horisont from brands who do have some respect to customers. Really unprofessional from Nikon brand. Is it so hard to make press conference and explain to people what going on with dl series? No respect to Nikon from customers also if they play this game

  • Joel

    The expected delivery date is removed from B&H.

    • Diversity for Israel

      Yep, came here to say this.

    • updated post

  • Davide

    LX100 V doees not have touch screen, LX15 does not have ND filter. Nikon is supposed to have them both…so i’ll go with the Nikon.

  • aarif

    D Layed

  • k9education

    These cameras are never coming.

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