Weekly Nikon news flash #364

Sigma-50-100mm-f1.8-DC-HSM-Art-lens
→ Right on time for the D500: the Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art lens for Nikon F mount is now in stock at B&HAmazon US, Amazon UK, Amazon Germany and Foto Hans Keuzekamp.

Nikon DL camera release date
→ After the recently announced delay, the Nikon DL cameras now have a release date of November 28th at BestBuy.

Nikon Image Space
→ A new version of Nikon Image Space has been released.

Nikon D5 D500 Red Dot Award Product Design 2016Nikon D5 Red Dot Award Product Design 2016Nikon D500 Red Dot Award Product Design 2016
→ Nikon D5 and D500 DSLR cameras received the 2016 Red Dot Product Design Award.

TIPA awards
→ Nikon D5, D500 and SnapBridge won also the 2016 TIPA awards:

  • Best APSC DSLR Expert: Nikon D500
  • Best DSLR Professional: Nikon D5
  • Best Imaging Innovation: Nikon SnapBridge

Nikon D5 review
→ New Nikon D5 reviews at LensRentals and Photographyblog.

Nikon provided 5 million yen (around $46,000) aid to the victims of the 2016 Kumamoto earthquake. Update: Nikon donated another 10 million yen.

→ New Nikon cashback promotion is Switzerland.

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  • blckcat

    Which is better in terms of low light photography? D500 + Sigma 1.8 aperture lenses or D750 + 2.8 aperture lenses? Assuming that I can’t use fixed lens.

    • Eric Calabros

      The former. Unless you take wide shots at ISO 12800 in night clubs.

      • Really hard to know, I would expect it to be roughly the same. The D750 combo could be noiser but sharper!

        • Captain Insane-O

          Definitely the d500. That lens provides more than a stop more light and the d750’s iso advantage is probably under a stop now over dx.

          But, if you use a 1.8 or 1.4 prime, the d750 will be better.

          • I own d750 and have shot with the d500. D500 has more than a stop ISO advantage over 750.

            • Captain Insane-O

              By your metric the d500 is better than the d5, as photon to photos shows the d5 having 2/3rds stop better noise and 1 stop better dr over the d750 in high iso.

              Also, the dx mode of the d5 is 2/3rd of a stop behind the d750 in noise, and behind in dr as well.

              So, unless you’re using semantics, the d500 can go 2 stops higher natively, then you’re full of it. Science hurts.

            • JJ168

              I am sure you have both. But i am not sure about your assessment that d500 (a crop sensor) even though newer…. has more than 1 stop advantage over d750. Even comparing d500 vs d7200, the d500 is barely noticeabke better.

            • Aldo

              Are you taking the same shots Eric is? That must be some good stuff.

      • Amit Dadlaney

        I shoot nightclubs in Vegas with my DX never went anywhere close to 12800

    • Patrick O’Connor

      I would go with the D750. With the D500, you’re limiting yourself to a few specific lenses. All things being equal, you’ll have a much greater selection of low light lenses with a full frame camera, the D750 being as good or better than most.

      • The lack of lens options is what pushed me to FX. The D500 looks like a great camera, but the lack of lenses limits its desirability.

        • Captain Insane-O

          The d500 can use fx lenses. So it’s lack of ultra wide primes must be what you’re talking about.

        • Proto

          yup! D900 please….

        • Patrick O’Connor

          I’m seriously considering getting a D500 but only for those instances where I need the additional reach, FPS, and/or buffer. I’ve resisted getting a DX up until now since it would only add reach and for the most part, my lenses are adequate in that regard.

          • Allen_Wentz

            I do not know what you are currently shooting, but include superb low-light AF in the reasons for picking up the D500.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              That would be a plus but not a reason to switch.

        • Allen_Wentz

          One’s FX capture capability does not go away when adding DX. Adding DX to FX kit just broadens one’s choices.

          Agreed FX is better at wide, but IMO the “lack of lenses” is overstated. 10.5mm f/2.8 plus 14-24mm f/2.8 plus 20mm f/1.8, f/2.8 is a reasonable wide-angle range.

          Normal range capture DX/FX are essentially similar, and at tele DX knocks the socks off FX.

      • Carlo

        You can use FX lenses on a DX body …

        • Patrick O’Connor

          Of course you can but, as others noted, you lose ultrawide.
          My main point, however, was that the D750 appears to be slightly better in low light, using the aforementioned f/1.8 zoom lenses being the equalizer and, in that regard, the OP is limited to two lenses.

          • Allen_Wentz

            I am the first to say that the IQ of expensive big heavy superwide angle glass on FX cannot be fully matched by lighter, cheaper DX glass or the same FX glass constrained to tighter FOV by DX. Note we do not _lose_ ultrawide. Real-world one can competently capture most wide-angle scenes into DX using Nikon’s 10.5mm f/2.8, 14-24mm f/2.8 and 20mm f/1.8, 2.8 lenses. Prior to the D3 I shot pretty much every type of commercial photography except indoor sports using Nikon’s DX D2x, no problem.

            And of course we gain greatly on the even more expensive tele end. A 16-80mm or fast 35/50mm meet midrange needs while our 70-200mm f/2.8 zooms become 105-300mm f/2.8. Note that 300mm f/2.8 is “lost” to FX unless one owns exotic 300mm glass (that would become 450mm FOV).

            Basic physics says larger sensors and bigger heavier glass should be better in low light. But the real world is not so simple.

            Specifically, once we get through lens optics DSLR capture is _all_ about the tech. The tech in the D500 seems to be substantially advanced over the older D750, even though it was just a year and a half ago that the D750 came out.

            As someone who shoots in low light very frequently, “better in low light” does NOT simply mean some laboratory measurement of maximum available DR. It means “getting the shot” with low natural light. That is the real D500/D750 comparison, and I expect D500 to outperform D750 on many real-world moving-subject low light image captures and on _all_ real-world telephoto moving-subject low light image captures.

            Just my 0.02, and I do not have a D750 to test the D500 against. I can only test against D3, and I already know D500 will beat the D3.

      • Great point, I have a D750 and the 3d look of the images taken wth it in combination with fast prime lenses is insane. I’m actually buying the D500 also, to combine it with the sigma 18-35 1.8 I already mounted on the D7000 and will probably use this combo for event-timelapse photography, while the D750 will be my go to fashion photography kit.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          Why do you think the D500 would be better for time-lapse over the D7000?

          • Actually I don’t know if it’s going to be better but as I’m giving my glory D7000 to my brother I will do this upgrade for myself 🙂
            Otherwise I started working with the D7000 and it’s one of the best cameras Nikon made in that period.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              Great reason to upgrade!

            • yeah as said before mainly for ISO performance for events 🙂

      • Allen_Wentz

        I shoot both FX and DX.
        Sorry but “much greater selection of low light lenses with a full frame camera” is way overstated. Only ONE Nikon lens, the 14mm, is unavailable to DX users. Is that one US$1900 super-wide-angle prime so critical that everyone owns it? I don’t.

        The 10.5mm f/2.8 DX is equal to the 16mm f/2.8 FX. Above that all FX lenses work on DX but shift their FOV; DX is simply different.

        I do not know about everyone else, but my low light shooting (which I do a lot of) is dominated by normal and tele distances, NOT by super-wide angle. And DX equals FX at normal and excels for wide angle.

        In my low-light world I need 300mm f/2.8 hella more than I need 14mm f/2.8, especially since I already have 16mm f/2.8. DX makes a 70-200mm f/2.8 into 105-300mm f/2.8 while FX users need to spend US$5500 and double the lens weight to achieve 300mm f/2.8.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          I hope you appreciate my replying to you…I just came back from having surgery on both my hands!
          The OP was asking about the D500 with f/1.8 zooms compared to the D750 with f/2.8 zooms. There are exactly two f/1.8 zooms in existence as of this writing and, well… a whole lot of f/2.8 lenses. Pretty straight forward. 🙂

        • Captain Insane-O

          I hope you realize that f2.8 lenses on dx bodies produce images equivalent to f4 on ff bodies.

          No matter what you say, or what “demo” you have been to. It doesn’t change the fact that dx creates much less signal. Even the d5’s dx mode can’t produce better signal to noise than any current FX. Is the d500 dramatically better than the d5? No. Raw images confirm this, and those doctored jpegs mean little to raw shooters.

          Not to mention an f2.8 dx at 200mm produces the same dof and fov as a fx at 300mm f4.

          Fx allows far greater, 1 stop better always, dof advantage over dx for the same image.

          The sigma dc art 1.8 zooms do provide 1 1/3 stop faster aperture over f2.8 zooms, but there are many f1.8 or faster lenses for fx.

          CMOS is a matured technology. There isn’t going to be significant advancements in performance without changing the technology. The d5 highlights this with its huge base iso sacrifice to gain half a stop over the older d4s.

          So, the real question is whether you prefer better low light and subject isolation and finer details, or if you prefer more dof and better tele performance.

          I use both dx and fx for their different abilities, and neither is the best.

      • Steinar Knai

        Nothing stop you from using those same lenses on the D500. Most people shoot FF lenses with the D500.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          The OP’s question was how would f/1.8 zooms on the D500 compare to their equivalent f/2.8 zooms on the D750. My response was that, assuming they’re in the same ballpark (my assumption) I would go with the D750 since there are currently only two f/1.8 zooms.
          Taking his question off the table, sure…get whichever one and use whichever lenses you like.

    • Ritvar Krum

      why you limit FF with 2.8? (assuming you interested in Sigma 18-35 f1.8 DC) Sigma makes f/2 zoom for FF…. in fact D750 + that f/2 zoom lens should be cheaper too… if you like wide or wide zooms (Sigma 18-35 f1.8 DC = WIDE) – then FF is ireplaceble. obviously wet dream “D500 > D750” that cyldend through forums for months is gone since few days (since first D500 iso tests came in) so get it out of your head too… my two cents: if you like wide – go d750 (FF); if you want cleanest and most detailed high and low iso images – go D750; if you like tele and wildlife – go D500 (DX).. if you need jet unmatched speed and buffer – go D500; if you are on budget – go grey D750 (yea – first time in historry – good FF is cheaper then “latest and gratest” DX, when the hype will come down and there will be grey d500 then it should eaven out – but it is not to come in next few months).

    • blckcat

      Wow.. didn’t expect this much discussion..

      Thank you! Honestly, I have D7100 with 18-35 1.8 lens at the moment but I was thinking of upgrading to D750 or D500 later and keeping the 1.8 lens. I guess I could still use the 1.8 lens with D750, but it would be crop format. It should still fit me as I would generally use zoom lens when I’m on vacation or nothing that requires high res.. If I’m on hobby assignment, may be using a fixed lens or two could be useful.

    • neversink

      Stay away from Sigma and third-party lenses unless you are buying Zeiss or Schneider….. You will be sorry in the long run. Terrible QC. Look up problems with Sigma lenses on the net. Common problems – focus shift, slow focus, AF failure…..
      Good luck

      • blckcat

        I did have some issue initially due to back focusing with the Sigma 18-35 1.8 lens but after owning it for more than 2 year (I think that’s how long its been around) and have it recalibrated by Sigma for D7100, it works flawlessly.

        I did have skeptical views on third party lens but i think the modern ones are pretty good. I do take great care of my stuffs (always have resale in mind) so that may be the reason why its lasting so well for me though.

  • TL Robinson

    I have the the 50-100 1.8, got it Friday…playing around at a show last night. Used it on my D750 in crop mode, worked pretty freakin’ well. I get my D500 tomorrow and will probably go shoot one show or another next weekend. I think the two are going to be a killer combo – now makes me want to go out and get the 18-35 1.8 as well….

    • Fly Moon

      Interested to read what you think. Thanks

      • TL Robinson

        It went straight to the top of my favorite lens list as it sits. We’ll see what it can do with the D500 tomorrow…I’ll post back with some prelim results as it’s the first piece of glass going on that body. 😀

        • silmasan

          Full review now up at lenstip, confirms it all: very sharp (despite some previous complains by uninformed posters re: unsharpened files from a bayer sensor at 100%), pretty good bokeh (though front bokeh seems to be smoother than rear), and… noticable bokeh fringing wide open. Anyway this lens makes DX looks exciting again to me.

    • navKristapa

      Interesting, at which focal length vignetting becomes correctable if you use 50-100 on D750 at FX mode. I frequently use 18-35 1.8 on D750, at 35mm it has heavy vignette and distortion but it is correctable in Lightroom. In night clubs and poorly lit, crowded areas I have no problem using it at 26mm.

      • TL Robinson

        I’ll have to try it – I played with it in FX but just didn’t think it was worth the extra editing steps to correct but I might experiment later on. The 18-35 is now my next lens just based on it’s reputation and what the 50-100 can do (and this one is new). D500 comes today so more fun 😀

  • Nikos Delhanidis

    And with the good two sigma TCs you can have a 135 F/2.8 and 200 F/3.5 ::P

  • Spy Black

    “…the Nikon DL cameras now have a release date of November 28th at BestBuy.”

    Ha! Just in time for Christmas! Impeccable timing Nikon! FTW!

    • and right after Photokina where every company will announce their latest and greatest camera

      • Eric Calabros

        The best way to compensate is to already upgrade them, say 4k at 60fps, or things like that. There is exactly 7 months between now and then, thats enough to make major changes, or ordering a faster sensor.

        • JJ168

          Yupe, otherwise nikon just shoot themselves in the foot.

          • Justtakethepicture

            I don’t think they shot themselves in the foot. I don’t think they had a choice, since the Sony plant making the sensor is currently shut down.

        • Thom Hogan

          Nope. Major changes don’t happen that fast. And they certainly won’t happen that fast with a lot of parts suppliers affected by the quake, including Sony.

          And any upper management exec that green-lights a “make major changes” program on the DL ought to have his head examined, as it was a rush program that led to where we are now.

          • Allen_Wentz

            All of Nikon Marketing needs to have its collective heads examined.

      • Thom Hogan

        I would guess everyone is going to have troubles this year given the quake. It disrupted too many parts suppliers and a key Sony sensor plant. That, of course, isn’t Nikon’s reason for delaying the DLs, but it could be soon.

        • TO-DOUG

          Yes, but the good news is… The DL will be on the market just in time for Christmas! (We hope.)

    • Allen_Wentz

      Nov 28 release is actually very late for the winter holiday sales season. And coming so many, many months after announcement this is vaporware marketing that simply cannot enure to Nikon’s benefit.

      • jec6613

        That’s Cyber Monday though.

    • Sean Parchem

      That’s what I was thinking on the new DL. Wow, Right after Photokina, weird release date for a camera announced almost a year earlier. Maybe Nikon will announce the DL2 at photokina and have a fire sale on the new DL. Gotta make room for the newer DL2. I must say, I’m liking my Nikon 1 system even more these days. I have a feeling Nikon can’t get the DL quite right. I’m actually not sure what in the world they are doing with the DL?

  • Justtakethepicture

    I realise Nikon didn’t have a choice with the delay of the DL (since the Sony plant that makes the sensor is currently shut down without a restart date), but that is really going to hurt them/sales.

    • Thom Hogan

      That’s not why they delayed the DL models.

      • Justtakethepicture

        I’ve seen the official press release. However, I find it more likely sensor supply is the issue. It’s not exactly a secret the 1″ sensors in most compact cameras are supplied by Sony, and neither is the fact their main CMOS plant is currently shut down. Nikon have never exactly been forthcoming when it comes to revealing their suppliers, so I doubt that want to name Sony in a press release.

        Just my opinion.

        • Thom Hogan

          Nikon made that announcement before Sony had even assessed plant damage ;~). Indeed, it appears that Nikon was piling up a bunch of “impaired assessment” announcement just prior to their annual shareholders meeting (they announced another one this morning, for the semiconductor equipment division). Also, note that others using the 1″ sensors, including Nikon (;~) aren’t announcing delays to products yet (they probably will at some point as it becomes clear how long the Sony plant will be shut down).

          • I think Nikon just used the earthquake as an excuse for another delay.

            • Thom Hogan

              “Excuse” isn’t the right word. They used the earthquake as “cover” for delays caused by factors under their control. That’s why I called that move disingenuous.

              With their annual report and shareholders meeting coming up, Nikon is trying to appear to do the right thing and disclose material issues that might impact results. They just announced another “impairment” issue this morning.

              But frankly, the last fiscal quarter is already long ago closed ;~). These new impairments will impact first quarter results for the next fiscal year, and possibly significantly.

            • Yes, all of those should not impact the financials of their Q4.

          • Justtakethepicture

            I doubt the timing makes any difference. I’m sure they were aware/informed the plant was shut down before Sony made an official announcement. I’m not aware of any other 1″ sensor cameras (apart from the RX10III) that have been announced just before the earthquake, but are not yet shipping. I would imagine cameras already available have a reasonable stock already in the market. I guess if Sony can’t re-open their plant soon, we may see other manufacturers effected.

            This is of course purely speculation on my part. 🙂

      • Sean Parchem

        It quakes certainly aren’t the reason. But what in the world is going on at NIKON Thom? Can it really be that bad?

    • whisky

      speaking about hurt, it makes one wonder how much of an impact part interruptions will have on subsequent batches of D5’s and D500’s — not to mentions lenses, flash units, etc.

      also, Nikon’s not the only company looking to find new parts suppliers, which in turn can and will catalyze more price increases from some key suppliers in the short term. perhaps longer.

      • Justtakethepicture

        As far as I’m aware, neither the D5 or D500 use Sony sensors. So hopefully that won’t be a problem.

        • whisky

          first reports appear to indicate there have been a large number of widget supply disruptions.

          without widgets, all manner of assembly gets disrupted — including components which assist in bringing those manufacturing facilities back on line. even if Nikon had an ample supply of sensors for the D5 and D500 — it’s the other “just in time” components which i wonder about.

          • Justtakethepicture

            Ah, I see what you’re saying now. Yes, what other components are effected is a big unknown. I guess we’ll see over the next few months.

      • No impact. I no longer believe what Nikon has to say. Remember they delayed the D500 because of high demand? That means that the D500 should have been freely available for purchase right now. It is not, so why did they use this lame excuse? How does high demand link to a product delay? The demand for that camera will be high at least for the next 6 months, should they introduce another delay because of that?

        • BVS

          It kind of feels like Nikon just doesn’t have the bandwidth to manage multiple releases at the same time. So, they took care of the D5 release first, when that was done they moved on to D500, and when that’s done they were supposed to move on to DL, but they discovered a problem which made them delay it.

          Unfortunately, they probably have several other big releases already planned for the upcoming months (e.g. D850, D3500, etc.) and couldn’t do DL then, so it got bumped all the way to November.

          • Thom Hogan

            My response to that is yes, and it’s a flaw in the company that will eventually kill them if they continue to believe they’re a consumer electronics company and continue to operate the way they are.

            Funny thing is, I look at a smaller company like Blackmagic Design and they’re releasing products all over the map simultaneously, while upgrading existing ones significantly. They have no apparent problems with either the marketing or distribution of all these things at once.

        • Thom Hogan

          Has to do with US and European laws regarding distribution, basically. The NPS orders were probably high enough that it distorted their ability to provide equal deliveries to all dealers of the same category.

          That said, it’s clear that the D500 is still not actually ready for market: the missing iOS Snapbridge app is a good indicator of how tight the schedule must have been.

          • If that’s the case, they still could have distributed equal amounts of D500 bodies to EU distributors, right?

          • Allen_Wentz

            I still think that the Snapbridge on iOS delay is likely to be political between Nikon and Apple. Snapbridge for Android (70% of Android phones anyway) is out now while iOS remains shown as “after summer.” That is a very long time in tech.

            • Thom Hogan

              In serious digital photography, the Android/iOS and Mac/Windows user ratios are much more balanced than in the general population. The D500 isn’t a general population camera.

              The reason why the Android version is ready and the iOS one isn’t is very, very simple: Nikon repurposed their existing Android software engineers when all the internal Android projects failed, but doesn’t seem to have ever had any decent iOS software engineers.

              Beyond that, establishing “political” penalties for unfavored companies is near suicidal in tech, especially dependent consumer tech. Nikon has already hurt themselves badly with their Adobe aversion.

            • whisky

              they also hurt themselves each time they assert “Apple OS” is not yet compatible with Nikon software. 🙂

            • Spy Black

              QuickTime…

            • Thom Hogan

              Not sure how that’s relevant to this conversation.

            • Spy Black

              “Beyond that, establishing “political” penalties for unfavored companies is near suicidal in tech, especially dependent consumer tech.”

            • Thom Hogan

              Not quite the same thing. As Apple has pointed out, Microsoft finally got around to providing native video playback capabilities that did what Quicktime did, thus Quicktime was no longer necessary. To some degree, the same is true on MacOS and iOS, too: better, more broadly capable video players exist on all platforms now.

              The problem with Quicktime Window’s demise is much more nuanced. Adobe and Blackmagic, among others, relied upon Quicktime being installed in order to provide the necessary codecs for ProRes and DnXHD, as well as some disguised playback in certain situations. There are many different ways that could occur without Quicktime, which I’d guess is Apple’s position, only no one is doing it ;~).

              When Adobe issued their statement about Quicktime for Windows, the immediate feedback at NAB was “Adobe is lazy” not “Apple did something wrong.”

            • Spy Black

              Adobe is lazy, but there’s more than just Adobe affected. Apple was wrong to just pull it. It left manufacturers in a bind. Very unprofessional.

            • Thom Hogan

              Apple hasn’t pulled it. It just hasn’t updated it.

        • whisky

          it’s not like Nikon could ramp up six months of orders for delivery after just one extra month. i also believe it has more to do with what Thom suggested regarding US & European distribution.

          regarding supply, never pre-order a hot ticket from B&H — as that’s where everyone else goes to order first. at any given time, B&H probably has more orders in it’s unfulfilled queue than it’s competitors.

          also, it’s highly possible while the first allotment of D500’s was air freighted, subsequent ones will arrive by sea. it’s apparent Nikon underestimated demand for the D500 at the price point they introduced it — and they just never caught up. JMO.

  • CERO

    Hey guys, I have a question about the AF of the D500.
    Is the AF really that good?
    some people said that it can focus almost in complete dark environments (-4EV) or “moonlight in the sand” is what I heard.

  • Amit Dadlaney

    Anyone know when adorama is getting their stock in of the sigma 50-100. Seems like every place els has it in stock but I’m still on a pre order list.

  • Filippo Malvisi

    Sucks for the DL getting delayed so much, might have to buy a -more expensive- Sony RX100IV after all 🙁

    • nwcs

      By then the RX100V will be out.

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