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Nikon DX format DSLR cameras

The current DX cameras lineup on Nikon Imaging website

I believe that the next series of Nikon announcements will be DX related and I do not mean only DSLR cameras - I do expect also some new DX lenses. At the beginning of the year I reported that in addition to the D4 and D800, Nikon will also announce three more DSLR cameras in 2012. So far they have announced only two: the D600 and D3200. The third camera will probably be announced before the 2013 CES show (January 8-11, 2012).

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  • Tracht

    Would like to see the DX1. A compact mirrorless camera with EV viewfinder using using standard Dx lenses including new pancake primes.

    • Rob

      It’s physically impossible to make a compact mirrorless camera with an F mount. Why? Because it wouldn’t be any smaller than a DSLR. The F mount requires the sensor to be 46.5 mm from the flange, REGARDLESS of whether there is a mirror there or not. In comparison, the Nikon 1 mount requires 17mm. So a mirrorless camera with F mount would have to be MORE THAN AN INCH thicker than the Nikon 1 cameras. That’s not compact, and there’s no other reason to get rid of the mirror yet (EVFs suck).

      • Michael

        How about put it in Nikon sp body? The flange need shorter distance. The distortion and falloff is easy to control, the lens could be smaller even on fx sensor. Think about it nikon.

  • Parampreet Dhatt

    It’ll be interesting to see whether Nikon merges the D7100 and D400 lines.
    Currently, in spite of being the higher end and more expensive camera, the only areas where the D300S scores over the D7000 is the AF system and the body.
    Since its introduction, most photographers have preferred buying the D7000 over the D300/D300S. Seems logical to merge these two lines.
    Also, the D300S looks hopelessly dated and underpowered compared to its primary competitor, the Canon EOS 7D. No wonder the 7D outsells it by a wide margin.

    I’m hoping for the following specs:
    -Weather, cold and dust proof magnesium-alloy body
    -24 MP sensor
    -51-point AF system (with more than 15 cross-type points as in the current system)
    -10-12 fps continuous shooting (more with the battery grip), with a big buffer
    -ISO 100-25600 native (50-51200 0r 102400 expanded)
    -Video mode upto 1920×1080 60p
    -Uncompressed HDMI output
    -3.2″ LCD with excellent sunlight legibility
    -Dual CF & SDXC card slots

    • Now that Nikon has an FX body that is constructed like the D7000, I don’t see any chance for a DX camera with a magnesium body and AF adopted from the D800. Birders might dream about it, but there is not enough demand to justify such a product. We will see an update to the D7000 with a tweaked version of the 24MP sensor in the D3200 and some features migrating out of the D600.

      In the DX lens department what is needed most is a fast, compact, reasonably priced, wide angle prime. I think a 24mm f/1.8 would be great, or even a 20mm. On a D3200 this makes for a very compact package that outperforms mirrorless cameras. You can do this now with the 35mm f/1.8, but something wider is needed.

      • Sebastian

        + 1

        24 f/1.8 and 18 or 16 f/2.8.
        The latter is asking quite a bit, I think.

        • Pat Mann

          16 f/2.8 would never sell unless it’s a pancake (which would sacrifice a lot of IQ – designers have demonstrated they need more volume for good performance across the frame) – and would never sell to me because it’s not enough wider than the 17-55 to appeal to me. The 24 DX needs to be f/1.4, and they need an 18 or 16 f/1.4 (preferable) or f/1.8 (acceptable to me anyway) to stay competitive with APS-C cameras from Sony and Fuji for lenses – Sony and Fujifilm are going all in for APS-C, and if Nikon doesn’t provide one of these lenses and a DX top-of-the-line upgrade soon after the lenses are released by those manufacturers, I’ll probably have a nice and much more compact Fuji system for most of my PJ-type work, and the only thing I’ll use my Nikon for any more is birds. And Nikon isn’t even supporting that – there are many budget birders like me who have been waiting for many years for a 400mm f/5.6 AF-S VR, or at least an AF-S update of the 80-400 with strong 400mm performance. We have been using the 70-300, 300 f/4 AF-S +TC or the very slow focusing 80-400, none of which are really suitable substitutes for an affordable 400 prime. Nikon is practically forcing me to a Fuji + Canon system with their inaction.

      • laurent

        +1 too, i can’t wait for a 24mm f1.8 !!!

        • Slewey

          There’s a 28 f/1.8 you know? Sure, it’s a bit not as wide, but I think the reason they went with 28mm is so it won’t cannibalize the sales of the 24 f/1.4, releasing a 24 f/1.8 would destroy sales of the 1.4 version because you would need a very good reason to justify spending over $2000.

          • paul

            I guess they meant au DX 24mm, which can’t canibalize the 24mm 1.4. And which would be muuuuuch cheaper and smaller… And I would love such a lens!

          • Pat Mann

            Release of the 35mm f/1.8 at $200 didn’t stop them from releasing a 35mm f/1.4 for 8 times as much money for FX; why should a $450 24mm f/1.8 or $1000 24mm f/1.4 DX lens compete with the current 24mm f/1.4? I can’t imagine many DX users purchasing the 24mm f/1.4 FX lens just to get 35mm equivalent coverage, though some of us are getting pretty desperate for fast wide primes. Just not THAT desperate.

            Personally, I’d rather pay the same money and get a nice compact NEX or Fuji WITH fast 35mm-equivalent lens.

          • laurent

            Indeed, i was talking about a 24mm for DX format.

      • Parampreet Dhatt

        The D600 and the D400 would compete in separate segments, so I don’t see any reason why the D400 couldn’t have better specs than the D600.
        The Canon 7D had a better AF system than the full-frame and higher end 5D Mark II. The D600 is the entry-level FX model and the D400 would be the top end DX model. In spite of the FX hype with the launch of D600, Nikon sells far more DX models than FX and there’s no reason the D400 can’t be positioned above the D600, at least feature-wise.

    • Rob

      Outselling by a wide margin (citation needed) is much better than Canon having 100% of the market. I also fail to see how the 7D is better than the D300S. Nikon has better autofocus, high ISO, DR, color depth, and 2 card slots. Canon has better movies, more MP, and is cheaper. All the differences are fairly minor.

      You realize the specs you state would require the camera to cost at least (and probably more than) $1800, right? So you’re not “merging the D7000 and D300S lines” you’re just offing the D7000 line at that price point. That makes even less sense than getting rid of the D300S line.

      Also, 12FPS at 24MP is more than even the Expeed 3A can handle, so it would require dual processors or a new one.

      • Pat Mann

        By now the D400 should include the on-sensor PDAF of the Nikon 1, (none of this ancient 53-point AF from the D800 and D4 – lets see some real technology advancement in DX), built-in GPS and wireless, wireless UHF flash, lots of other enhancements that weren’t available a year ago. I think it will be great and am really looking forward to it. Provided there is an 18mm f/1.8 lens AND a 24mm f/1.4 OR a only one of those AND a 400mm f/5.6 AF-S VR introduced at the same time, I’m a customer.

        Otherwise, it’s Fuji that gets my money, and that old, slow, Nikon-abandoned Nikon DX stuff goes to eBay. Sorry Nikon – a customer since 1963 with my Nikon F, but hey, you got to keep up.


      I think you just described…Nikon D600….Ok..back to normal.

  • Sebastian

    I wonder what the D300 sales are at this point. Thom points out that Nikon cannot drop a DX camera because that means dropping big sales. Agreed, that’s why 3xxx and 5xxx won’t disappear. But I can’t see why a D7100 couldn’t replace both 7000 and 300. That simply would mean the already ongoing splitting of the D300 into a DX and an FX line is completed. The only issue is the resulting price gap from the highest-end DX to the lowest end FX, which would be a factor of two with the next higher FX just slightly above. Still, my bets are for a 24 MP 7100 with not much change from the 7000 other than maybe a better AF. And no D400. But what do I know.

    As to the death of DX: With just a little bit of love and care from Nikon DX can live for quite a while. It will die some day, but so did film, and many other things.
    Sure, FX gives the photographer more options. Better low light, better DN, better foreground isolation. But it’s also bigger, more obtrusive, heavier, and more expensive. If you don’t want that, but you still want a real viewfinder, fast AF-C, and good compatibility with a huge lens line-up, you take DX. If you can live without those things, too, you go to the mirrorless camp. Then the camera is truly light and small. The only unavoidable issue with DX is that the flange distance is too large for the sensor, limiting how small wide-angle lenses can be made even when they are DX only.

    So with a couple of wide-angle DX primes and some improvements in the staple zooms for higher MP count, DX can be in business for a while. I personally would also like to see a medium-cost telephoto prime, like 400 5.6 (no need to restrict a telephoto to DX), but I don’t think that will happen. Wide-angle DX primes, however, we really need. The current FX wide-angle primes are ill-matched with DX bodies. You can see what amazing things can happen for DX when Nikon wants to make it happen by looking at the 35 1.8. What a nice, light, sharp, cheap lens.

    • Angelus

      IMHO DX’s entry level will go mirrorless in two years and high end DX will be discontinued in three years, so you will be forced to go mirrorless or to go FX.

      • Worminator

        The D600 is the same price as the D300/s. There is no reason to buy the high-end DX body, and Nikon must know this. The D7000 and D600 replaces the D300/s. The D7100 will make that even more clear.

      • Sebastian

        And eventually FX will be replaced by a mirrorless version, too.

        • Arkasai

          I will miss that mechanical mirror slap and shutter actuation sound. One day they’ll be gone in favor of solid state everything but it’ll be a sad day. In a crowd of DSLRs it’s pretty easy to pick out the Nikons, Canons or Sonys just by their shutter sounds. I really do like how Nikon’s are loud, I wonder if this is by design…to have an aggressive sounding actuation.

          I really don’t want to lose the optical viewfinder too, I look through mine with the camera turned off all the time to check framing or just to get a better look at something. EVFs do have true 100% coverage but they require most the cameras systems to be on for it to work.

  • tmay

    I’m of the opinion that the next DX will be a D5200, and it will be the same feature upgrade from the D3200 as the D5100 is from the D3100. A D3200 with bracketing, articulated screen, and 14 bit for a tiny bit more DR, and it will be announced by end of year. This is an easy build for Nikon.

    That would leave the D7200 for early spring, a revision b 24mp sensor with improved data bandwidth and retaining the same or slightly better dynamic range and fps of the D7000. That would mean a uprated Expeed 3 and possible UHS-1 SD which would bump up to 50MB/s.

    The D3200/D5200/D7200 would all lead developmentally to a D400 in Fall of 2013 with a revision c 24MP sensor (higher bandwidth), CX crop, Multi-Cam 3500DX, Expeed 4 and UHS-104 104 MB/s SD in a D300 build. 8 to 10fps.

    Just under $2100 and it will be around for 4 or 5 years with minor updates. Somewhere in there, Nikon will begin transition to MILC DX, most likely from the bottom up.

    • v1owner

      “CX crop”? – you know CX and (DX,FX) have two different lens mounts, right? DX mode on FX is for marketing a migration path to FX for DX users with DX lenses which have the same mount, but smaller image circle.

      • tmay

        D4 has a CX crop (2.7) which is a native 1080P resolution (1920 x 1080 pixels) with an FX lens. It hasn’t anything to do with the mount, and it works with DX lenses. It seems to be important for video as Nikon’s 1080 p downsampling was initially noted (and still may be) as appearing quite soft.

        My error would be calling it a CX crop on a 24 MP DX camera. It would still be a native 1080p (1920 x 1080 pixels), but the crop would be larger than a CX crop. I’ll have to figure out how to calculate the crop of a 3:2 sensor format to a 16:9 format.

    • Pat Mann

      Late 2013 is way to long for a D400. The 300 sensor will be 6 years old by then. Nikon is losing a lot of sales every month they keep this camera off the market.

      The D300 was launched in late summer of 2007. The 300s was a nice upgrade, but not a generational one – it’s still a 5-year-old sensor. It’s a great camera, which is why it has held on this long – I bought one this year to replace a D200 that failed, but if I hadn’t found a discounted refurbished I would have just bought another D200 given the current list price. It will be 6 years old in late 2013, making it very dated in digital terms, and is long overdue for an upgrade. Nikon will lose a lot of sales if it waits until late 2013 to upgrade this line.

      Those who say the D7000 is going to take over the high end of DX can’t have shot with the D200 or D300 – there’s just no comparison if you’re shooting something that demands quick response to changing conditions, rough handling and weather.

  • FDF

    I predict a D8000 and later a D6000, both succesors to D7000, the first a more expensive high MP camera (36MP), and the other a less expensive lower MP one (24MP).

    • I think there’s a good chance of seeing the D400 soon. Nikon and Canon have their cameras at the same time. At Canon rumors already beginning to speculate as to the new 7D to be launched in January ….

    • Worminator

      A D8000 sounds reasonable on paper as a high end, high fps DX sports cam … until you price it. A D6000 sounds reasonable as a more ‘D90’-like enthusiast cam… until you price it.

      There isn’t enough room to support four DX models in a landscape where the D600 is $2000 and falling, and where mirrorless continues to draw marketshare away from dSLRs, even in the high end (sony NEX 6/7, Fuji XE1, XPro1 etc).

  • divino

    i need 24 1.8g dx

    • delnerdo

      +1 to that!!!

    • Alan

      Why do you need 24mm for dx? Maybe 18mm? Because 18mm covers 24mm in fx..

  • I think I would hope for a D5200 first, to compete directly with the 650D, then perhaps a D7100 later in the spring.
    And a wide angle DX lens….

  • Eddy GL

    Personally I expect an upgraded D5100.
    Where I am, the D3200 and D5100 are selling for almost exactly the same price, and the D7000 is practically double that. This is leaving a fairly obvious gap between the 5100/3200 and the 7000, not to mention confusing the choice between the D3200 and D5100. I mean why bother getting the newly upgraded D3200 when I can buy the D5100? Or even more confusing, marketing wise for the “general public” why is the “low end” 3200 24 MP and the “mid range” D5100 “only” 16?
    Basically I expect a D5200 almost the same as the D5100 but with the 24 MP sensor from the D3200, and upgraded movie features, priced smack dab in the middle between 3200 and 7000. The price and feature differences would make sense marketing-wise then, placing the 5200 as an upgrade to the 3200 instead of a downgrade from the 7000. Even if the more educated would lament the loss of the D7000’s sensor.

  • tak

    i want 50 f1.2 N

  • “before the 2013 CES show (January 8-11, 2012).”

    perhaps you meant . . . January 8-11, 2013

  • D300user

    Hi, I have D300 and D700, either 8 fps (with the same grip!) and professional body. Low light? I use D700. Telephoto? I use D300. An upgrade would be liked by now. But the couple of reflex FX+DX with the same grip doesn’t exist anymore. It’s a pity. Don’t tell me to use a D800 in FX and DX mode, it’s only 4-6 fps and a waste of MP. Don’t tell me to downgrade to a D7000-like body. I need a D400 with 18-24 MP, fast fps and professional body. Sadly the upgrade of the D700 is not available, it’s not the D800. Give me 8 fps in FX mode at 3000 $.

  • I hope that Nikon will announce the D7100 soon. I really don’t understand, why they have revealed a D5200 now.

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