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  • I wish I were unboxing a D3s at MY house.

    • Canon Fanboi

      The Nikon packaging materials are lame.

      Pro photographers want cameras with bigger boxes, in a range of fashionable colors.

      Canon boxes are so awesome, many pro-photographers think they are better than the camera inside.

      • another anonymous

        But we want better camera inside the box. To buy nice box is not so expensive, repack your nikon youself to be happy if you like.

        • Canon Fanboi

          Canon boxes are so good that many people think that a Canon camera is better not unboxed at all.

          • I’m not really interested in the camera itself which I can not afford anyway. But I am trying to find a great deal on the box it came in. drool………

  • rolling shutter problem is still there, the Nikon girl music video is funny as though.

  • Will

    Bah, still no 64 bit support 🙁

    I think with Windows 7, more and more will be running 64 bit due to the ability to use more than 4GB of ram.

    • right now I would KILL to be able to shoot RAW files and upload them into Aperture…….sigh

  • grumps

    JoeyL is so funny and a wonderfully talented young photog!

  • C Benson

    Just letting you guys know that the movie “Fantastic Mr. Fox”, was shot with a canon camera not a Nikon camera. If you look closely at the video you will see a wheel on the back of the camera. Plus the camera is allot smaller then Nikon D3s and one more thing on the bottom of view screen you can see the canon logo.

    • :facepalm:
      “and other cameras”…. Read a bit before making assumptions, won’t you?

      Re: rolling shutter problem is still there
      It looks pretty darn good to me – only a problem if you are looking for it. Better than anything before it, and better than any lower-end HD camcorder I’ve seen.

      Unless global shutters for CMOS sensors are adopted (that doesn’t look likely in the near future), there will always be a rolling shutter problem with any CMOS camera. Well, I guess we could see a resurgence of CCD cameras (which always use global shutters) if the specifics for video could be worked out for them. Dunno what we’d see happen to noise if that was the case though.

      • PHB

        One reason to go for an electronic shutter would be to achieve high flash sync speeds. Another, probably more important one would be to eliminate the last mechanical component from the camera, greatly improving reliability.

        However, at the rate ISO response is improving, how much longer will we need flash? It is intrusive, puts off the models, causes red eye and difficult to calibrate properly.

        The problem with a global shutter is that it takes one transistor per pixel. I think thats a reasonable cost.

        • Anonymous

          You don’t do much photography to say ‘how long will we keep using flashes’…

          • Squiggs77

            I agree, sometimes we want to control the source and quality of the light, so flashes will always be relevant.

          • PHB

            Note that I said that we might not have the need for flash, I did not say that we might not need extra lighting. That is quite a difference.

            We started using flash photography because the film of the day had ISO equivalent of less than one and exposures in full sunlight were measured in seconds.

            Modern flash is a lot more controlled than flash bulbs. But it is still highly intrusive and we now have cameras that can take pictures handheld in candle light. On the other side of the equation we have LED lighting coming along that is vastly more efficient than tungsten and potentially allows for full control of color temperature to boot.

            I light my studio for video in any case, only since I began I have discovered that I can make do with 500W of lighting rather than the 1500W I used originally due to the cameras getting better. I would expect that within a few years it will be more effective to use 120W or so of LED lighting.

            I have strobe lighting, but I find I do not need to use it. Video lighting is easier to work with, more consistent and easier on the subjects.

            Another possibility is that traditional strobe flash will be replaced by an LED variety that has more pleasant characteristics. Instead of releasing the light in a single uneven spike of 1/1000s or less, an LED flash could fire with constant brightness for the entire time that the shutter is open. Under those circumstances the front/rear shutter curtain issue is no longer a constraint and you can flash sync at any speed.

            That said, there are other reasons why an electronic shutter would still be highly desirable. One major reason for wanting one would be to automate the process of taking HDR shots by enabling two or more shots to be bracketed with essentially no gap between them.

        • Anonymous

          “However, at the rate ISO response is improving, how much longer will we need flash? ”

          Definitely the new #1 “dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the net”….congrats!

  • donde?

    The D3s was probably the backup camera in the fantastic mr fox… great news!

  • burgerman

    Microsoft were not even going to release a 32 bit version of 7 at all but bowed down to pressure from oem manufacturers. Many new machines are all 64 bit now including my own machine on the desktop (win Vista 64 and previously XP 64, now 7) as well as my laptop.

    I cant believe they STILL dont support 64 it computers. Even my laptop now has 4gb memory. Many new machines have 6 plus!

    Fortunately there are other third party solutions but the situation is rediculous.

    • T

      MS stopped shipping 32-bit versions of most of their server products already. Give it another release cycle and I’m sure Win 8 will be 64-bit only. (*sigh*, only 20 years after the 64-bit processor)

      • Anonymous

        32-bit support doesn’t hurt the OS at all, and had damn well better stick around. Don’t play into the planned obsolescence game–backwards compatibility is one of the positives Windows has going for it.

        The biggest advantage to 64-bit is for programs that need to manipulate large files–NX should take advantage of it, but I’m sure if you run it in windows it’ll show up in your process list as 32-bit still. They just supporting the use of it in 64-bit OSes now. Bfd. It needs a major overhaul to make it fast enough to be useful.

        Every time a new version of NX comes out I give the demo a try. It does some nice things with high ISO files, but it’s not significantly better than ACR and it’s much too slow to think about in a professional situation.

        Nikon makes professional grade cameras, but their software is still amateur grade.

        • PHB

          Actually there are two separate sides to the 64 bit issue. The first is the ability to access more than 4GB of RAM. I would really like to see that as at the moment I can only use 2.5Gb on my machine as it is running 32 bit Vista and 1.5Gb is taken out of the memory map by the graphics cards.

          The second and rather more important side is that 64bit Windows Vista was a lot more picky about the drivers it used. In particular support for a whole range of error-prone techniques that tended to cause XP to crash was withdrawn.

          As a result the 64-bit version of Windows was far more robust and far more secure. The downside being that you cannot run quite a bit of hardware from vendors whose drivers are notoriously bloated (HP, you listening) or buggy (nVidia? anyone there?).

          I remember when I bought my copy of Windows XP in the hope that a persistent crash problem would go away. Problem was that the 3DFX drivers were not available for XP so I had to replace the video card first. The moment I did so, the crashes stopped completely and I ran under 98 for another three months without a single blue screen. The problem had been that lousy driver.

          So if Win7 has workable 64 bit support and can be used with reasonably current hardware in 64 bit mode and still run software written for 32 bit mode, I would be very interested in giving it a try.

  • burgerman

    For those still waiting try Ardfry Imaging for 64 bit raw codec. Cheap and works.
    Or Fast Picture Viewer – free and has a 64 nit codec too. Read the site for info, also works well.

  • CC

    Joey is the bomb diggety…

  • Jabs

    About 64 bit and Windows:
    Windows is NOT fully 64 bit, YET.
    The CPU’s are 64 bit, but the Operating System has been ‘pseudo 64 bit’ since Win XP 64 bit.
    The best implementations of 64 bit in the Windows world is Win2003 64 bit and Win2008 R2 (both Server Operating Systems). (buy the ‘simplest version’ and then use it like a regular version but you gain STABILITY and speed) Win7 and Vista 64 bit are not fully 64 Bit and are marketing PLOYS to drive adoption of REAL 64 bit. Win 7 and Vista 64 bit, like XP 64bit are 64-32 bit but allow you to go beyond the 4 gig memory limit of 32 bit.
    If you want a great but costly 64 bit Operating System, then use either Win2003 Server or even better Win 2008 R2 (Release 2) 64 bit which is the ‘REAL 64 bit versions’ of Windows 7 or as some say Win 7 64 bit Server.
    Of course, these real 64 bit Operating Systems do not have the flexibility of the 32-64 bit ‘consumer’ stuff, so they are like ‘one hit wonders’, ‘one trick ponies’ or they do a few things really well.
    Maybe you run your Images/videos on a REAL 64 bit Operating system on a Quad Core with 16+ gigs of RAM and a RAID array of two or more SATA drives and then use the other ‘consumer’ Operating Systems to do regular stuff.
    Maybe use 64 bit OS-X or 64 bit Linux instead!

    – just some information to help us, especially when REAL 64 bit Adobe Products arrive that can use 32 gigs or more of memory and run Open GL really well on Workstation Video Cards.
    Server 2003 and Server 2008 R2 usually cost about 500 -700 US dollars but save you a lot of headaches PLUS are so much faster than regular Windows.

    • woble

      Dude, wtf are you talking about. Windows 7 64bit is as 64bit as it gets. They are not limiting anything. Yes, there are some 32bit apps still hanging in there, but that doesn’t mean it’s not 64. Windows Server 64bit versions are as much 64 as their desktop brothers. On server versions there’s just LESS support for legacy apps, which makes it look as if it’s superior. Which in some ways it is, but not in your 64vs32 argument.

      If Nikon doesn’t want to support 64bit OS as of now, then so be it. I will use something else that does the job even better.

    • Ken Elliott

      Jabs, I think you need to explain just what you mean. The Windows NT code base was developed on 64-bit CPU in the early 1990’s. The core is the same between server and workstation versions. 64-bit versions have been around since the first versions (MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC, Itaniumn, etc.)

      Just saying “it ain’t real 64-bit” provides us no information at all. It’s like saying the D3 is not a real full-frame camera, but not detailing what you mean.

      • T

        Actually, the Alpha version was never 64-bit. It only ran in 32-bit mode, what a waste of processor.

        • M35G35

          Actually, the Alpha version was never 64-bit. It only ran in 32-bit mode, what a waste of processor.

          Huh? Had a bunch of C programmers that had to redesign the software when we converted from VAX to Alpha. Took months to re-write. So, Alpha was a 64-bit chip. Don’t understand where you get this stuff.

          • T140Rider

            What he means is that the Windows NT release for the Dec Alpha CPU was not 64bit but 32bit.
            If my memory server me right this is correct. Microsoft kept promising a proper 64bit release but it never mateiralised.
            All other Dec supported operating systems (VMS, OSF-1/Tru64) were 64bit and Dec gave Linus an Alpha so that he could do the 1st 64bit port of Linux.
            I worked for Dec during this period. The first Alpha needed a US Gov Super Computer License for export. This was the Dec4000. All 200Mhz of it. How things have changed. IT was however a huge step forward in performance over the CPU’s that Intel were selling at the time.

          • M35G35

            I agree with that assessment.

      • Jabs

        REAL 64 bit = 64 bit ONLY
        Pseudo 64 bit = 64 bit with 32 bit within it for backwards compatibility or even to WORK properly.
        Windows has to have the 32 bit structure within it so as to not break things from the past like its’ NTFS file systems, FAT32 (used in most Flash Drives) and such. Therefore Microsoft has to include it (this is why Microsoft canned its’ planned 64 bit file system a few years back when Vista was to be introduced and this led to the ‘mess’ of Vista).
        OS-X has almost eliminated all of its’ 32 bit code, so it has problems now with older 32 bit apps., but will be faster and better than Windows for NOW, once the programs catch up and they release real 64 bit programs. It’s a progressive move.
        Remember that the bit structure of the Operating System is NOT always tied to the bit structure of the CPU or processor, though you can run 32 bit programs on a 64 bit CPU, but not 64 bit programs on a 32 bit CPU.
        We have had 64 bit processors in the X86 world for a while (AMD Opterons were first), but many other ‘workstation or RISC’ processors were 64 bit eons ago, like DEC Alpha, IBM Power, Sun and others before AMD.
        The REAL advantage of 64 Bit is NOT just the ability to use more memory, BUT the ability to move 16 or 32 bit and LARGER datasets or files in REAL TIME as now, we cannot move around 32 bit files in a 32 bit Operating system without ‘fudging’ it. (they move it in parts and sometimes to memory or swap files)
        SAME in cameras – if the bit structure of the camera’s ELECTRONICS is low, then the camera cannot push out PIXELS of a large bit structure and do complex processing at the same time, HENCE the D3x.
        The D3x is obviously a D3 BODY with a high res. sensor plus one of the highest bit structure processing engines on the market and thus it beats most cameras including all 35mm digital (DSLR’s) and even some medium format digital cameras at what it does best (see DX0 web site for clues).
        That is perhaps WHY it is so expensive (D3x).
        Nikon is NOT stupid, but maybe quiet engineers.
        Most quote Microsoft info. about 64 bit versions of Windows, but actually Microsoft is finally catching up with REAL 64 bit in their Operating Systems but are mainly stressing the memory capabilities but most of the Windows world is ‘pseudo 64 bit’ or you would NOT be able to mount your NTFS file system from older Operating Systems.
        Microsoft is trying to move to strictly 64 bit, but they have a problem as they wisely KEEP backwards compatibility. Maybe Win 8 or 9 will finally break away – LOL!
        Apple is abandoning backward compatibility, so they can finally give us REAL TIME 32 bit + effects as that can usually only be done if the bit structure of the Operating System allows that.
        ITS’ LIKE this – 32 = the foot, 64 bit = the shoe.
        You can put a 48 bit foot in a 64 bit shoe and several 16 bit feet in a 64 bit shoe using a 64 bit Operating System on a 64 bit processor or CPU.
        The Graphics programs we have are often complex because they cannot move the FULL 32 bit structure of files in REAL TIME as the file being moved or even the 32 bit plus a 16 bit alpha channel = 48 bits of information (32 bit + 8 bit alpha channel = 40 bits) cannot move all the data within 32 bits CPU’S or Operating Systems (too small a shoe).
        Same with photographs.
        We now have 16 bit structure in many digital cameras but we are stuck running ONE instance of a file – 16 bit + 8 bit alpha channel = 24 bits being moved. We need to go to 64 bits, so you can move 24 or 32 bits plus 8 or 16 bit alpha channel.
        I use Linux and so does lots of the Movie Industry and many photographers, as they work on very large files, high bit structure and when you build up LAYERS of 16 bit information, you go beyond the capabilities of ALL 32bit Operating Systems. They currently move bits and pieces of the image to compensate, hence the scratch file, stuff stored in memory and such, while the real problem is the lack of bit structure which gives YOU the needed extra bandwidth to move either a large/small or complex HIGH bit structure file (even a composite file that became high bit structure) around WHOLLY. I move larger RAW files around with LESS memory in a REAL 64 bit Operating Systems with a REAL 64 bit processor than on a Windows machine – under Linux. I have to install Server 2008 R2 trial (64 bit) and see how it works now, as I tried Server 2008 (the first release) and it was like Vista but a little better and I uninstalled it (crappy to me). I actually prefer Server 2003 32 bit, as I use that also. It is NOT just about memory, but about BANDWIDTH in the bit structure and an ability to move more at any given time without breaking up the file into lower bit structure pieces FIRST.
        SPEED, SPEED, SPEED!!!
        Sorry for the long reply!

        • TY

          The D3s is not a real DSLR. You see, it can shoot JPEGs, and also small sizes.
          A real DSLR means RAW only, max size only.
          Pseudo DSLR means shoots RAW and JPEG, and allows you to choose size and quality.

          SPEED, SPEED, SPEED!!!

          I rest my case.

          • WoutK89

            I hope you know DLSR stands for Digital Single Lens Reflex? So what does that say about what it shoots, as long as its digital and single lens, it is a DSLR right?

          • PHB

            He was being sarcastic.

    • GS3

      great post. wild claims and nothing to back them up. doesn’t even bother to explain what you mean.

  • WR

    I like how in the video Nikon is the Beauty……

  • Canon Fangirly

    Even if there still is the rolling shutter issue, it’s the best (first?) improvement I’ve seen so far.

  • Zoetmb

    Remember that The Fantastic Mr. Fox, regardless of whether Canon or Nikon was used (and that definitely is a Canon in the video), was not shot using video mode. It was shot using still mode and that’s why the quality is so good. This is stop-animation technique. But the use of two brands raises an interesting point – if they used both Canon and Nikon, which definitely have different resolutions, color and different white balances, how did they mix footage? Did they simply just color time it to take care of the differences and ignore resolution differences, because each camera shot completely different scenes? I’d love to know how their post-production worked.

    You can see rolling shutter issues on the chair leg video, although lag time in display can create the same artifact. If you’re shooting “The Bourne Ultimatium”, you probably don’t want to shoot using a DSLR. But for many types of shooting, it’s perfectly fine. One of the jobs of a photographer (or a videographer) is choosing the right tools for the particular job. “Rolling shutter” is the new “brick wall” for pixel peepers. But even more than a still image, a video should tell a story and if we concentrate on pixel peeping, we won’t even come close to making a compelling video. (And this is probably why many photographers don’t want video on their DSLRs – I think they’re afraid of it because they don’t know how to tell a story.)

    As for that rap video, although I despise rap, especially when white boys take on ghetto accents, I thought the Canon vs. Nikon video was quite funny and I give them extra points for shooting in Coney Island. When she licked the lens, I laughed out loud. I also liked the line about his Nikon not fitting in her Canon (although that sort of mixes metaphors). But it doesn’t look to me like it was shot using a DSLR. If it was, I’d certainly like to know which one because the video looked pretty damned good to me. And what was with the glass Coke bottles in the “epilogue”? Did Coke sponsor this thing?

  • Jabs

    Rolling ‘shutter’ issues:
    This problem has been around for eons and many manufacturer’s have already “solved” the issue, PLUS if you knew about VIDEO, then you would know how to fix the issue.
    When you START to shoot, first shoot a static scene (or shoot a series of stills of the intended scene FIRST) and then allow the sensor to catch up, THEN you shoot action. [a delayed start in other words with a series of still shots]
    Sort of what we did when digitally recorded video became the norm years ago.
    You EDIT the long intro OUT in Post Production (Adobe Premiere or such) or the part that has not synced YET or even has NOT been recorded as a FULL frame yet.
    The VIDEO equipment manufacturers have already solved this problem by having a LARGE buffer within their equipment and they SAVE to the video camera the last or a series of stills or frames (that you previously shot) that they MOVE backwards when you REPRESS the shutter and then pick up a similar frame (which overwrites your current frame when the shutter is pressed) and then the eye perceives it as NOT being there (rolling shutter issue).
    In other words, they store a frame called STILL STORE by many within the camera and then write that over the frame at the start of recording and eliminate the problem. The STILL STORE frame(s) replaces the new START frame(s) and things are eliminated.
    See or other such sites.
    Lightwave 3D, Video Toaster (from the Amiga days – LOL!) and other great Video programs.
    Look at Sony Broadcast equipment web sites.
    I have used video equipment for a while and the problem was solved THERE but photographic camera manufacturers have to NOW build in this capability into their SLR cameras or some means of fixing that or we need to learn how DIGITAL video works.
    In the mean time, FIX it in post production – another piece of crap, that one has to now learn AGAIN … LOL!
    We now have to learn digital photography, POST Production in both STILL images and Post Production in Video. Most camera users are uninformed about HOW to DO much, so hence – go study or there will be a lot of RICH Post Production Houses … LOL!
    They should have tried Speed Razor [software] (I think that is how it is spelt) from NewTek or gotten a Video Toaster (expensive hardware and software).
    Adobe is alright but NewTek is more robust stuff, but more expensive. See Lightwave 3D and all that stuff that has been used for years to fix issues NEW to digital photographers.
    The issue is BUFFER related mainly and requires a very LARGE buffer to save to the camera MEMORY the last series of frames shot of the last thing shot BEFORE the camera was stopped or PAUSED, then when you resume, it replaces a few FRAMES (from the buffer) or places these at the START while erasing the real START frames for a seamless look.
    Imagine the buffer size needed to store several FRAMES of High Def (720, 1080 or above) running at whatever frequency or frames per second (24 to 60) – actually 24 frames per second is BETTER for movie making while 60 frames per second is better for action or even ANALOG television (now deceased) … LOL!
    60 frames seems to introduce MORE rolling shutter issues, as the frame rate is HIGHER and not the other way around … Duh!
    This is VIDEO and not still photography.

  • D800 is coming

    TO TOWN!!!!
    already out and in testing. Coming Feb-March 2010.
    Why? I said so.
    Specs? no comment you will love this.

    Do not buy D300s, D3s

    • WoutK89

      So, where is my D400? 😛 D300s is for a different league of Photographers than D800

      • YEAH

        D400 end of 2010. 1year from any “S”

        • WoutK89

          And if not, you are treating the whole Nikonrumors fanbase on a drink at least 😉

      • PHB

        I would have thought that the primary base for the D800 would likely be folk upgrading from a D300.

        If the D4/D400 are the same resolution or close to the D3/D300 then we can certainly expect it to be at least a year before a replacement. But more astute obervers will note that we are very close to Xmas now and that the recent announcements were simply Nikon updating the legacy line to maximize the Xmas season sales.

        I think that the launch of the D3x makes it impossible for Nikon to launch a camera with less than 24MP as the D4. Such a camera would not compete with the D3s any more than the D3x made the D3 obsolete. There will be some tweak to allow people to realize that you can always trade resolution for ISO response by averaging over a series of sensor sites. Perhaps the max ISO will bump up a notch if you go to 12MP. But it is pretty clear that the D4 will have to be everything that the D3x and the D3s are.

        When I was in Costco, I noticed that Nikon is considerably more aggressive than Canon on price this year, about $70 cheaper for the entry level DLSR kits. Clearly they are looking to expand their market there, but it is also possible that they have to cut prices to make up for the fact that the Canons offer 1080p video and the Nikons do not.

        For that reason, I am pretty sure that the D4/D400 will offer 1080p video as well.

        I don’t think you can read anything from the D3s/D300s launches other than that a D700s launch will happen soon. Clearly there will be a D4/D400 at some point in the future, the only question is when Nikon/Sony can get high enough sensor yields.

        One thing is certain, whatever you buy will be obsolete before long.

  • Nikonist

    Have just uploaded a first ultra-short sequence made with my new D3s:

    • Nikonist

      ready in 25min!

    • CC

      Very nice!!!

  • All vendors seem to be out of stock right now – any ideas when the D3s are shipped “in larger numbers”? It seems that the first batch was just 1 or 2 per shop.

  • Mark

    While we all learn to accept that Nikon software is never brilliant. The lack of 64bit support on what is a tiny, and not particularly complex piece of software is beyond a joke. Luckily they make better cameras than they do windows apps. 🙂

    • another anonymous

      hmm i’m also programmer and even if i have a lot to learn, i don’t think i’m any kind of lame, but i think i would be a lucky guy when producing such quality in software as they do in optics 😉

  • Jabs

    A little comment here:
    This is a great web site of Nikon Rumors and even people teasing each other for being shameless fanboys or fangirls.
    The problems often center around people being unaware of much and then to cover themselves, they make idiotic comments or jokes.
    Digital everything requires a STEEP learning curve and almost anyone who tells you other than that, perhaps is not ‘well’!
    If you want to pick up equipment and use it at its’ default settings, then DO that.
    The proper use of or to get better use of your equipment means that you have to learn and retain much plus do much more.
    Digital solves issues, creates new issues and often complicates others while simplifying others.
    There are trade offs and all of us have much to learn.
    There are new perspectives and new ways to gather information but it does not mean that you can always read web sites and become ‘instant experts’.
    Educate yourself plus use your equipment and then push the boundaries again and again.
    There are subtle differences between equipment, so fans mock each other and I don’t care, as we all have our own likes, preferences and dislikes.

    Thanks Administrator for this web site!

  • Begging your pardon, a little semi-OT:
    “no camera is official before the unboxing pictures are online”. You seemingly have a strange sense of reality: in your world a thing doesn’t truly exists unless it is spoken of online. I thought that in the real world “no camera unboxing pictures are online before it is official”. How could you unbox it, if it is non-existent or unofficial??? And what if someone counterfeits unboxing photos? 😀
    Come on, update your logic!

    • Humorist

      Some people don’t have a sense of humor….

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