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New Samyang 10mm f/2.8 ED AS NCS CS lens announced

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Samyang announced today a new APS-C 10mm f/2.8 ED AS NCS CS lens with Nikon mount ($549):

Prototype version of Samyang 10mm f/2.8 lens has been presented to the public on Photokina 2012 fairs. Samyang has stepped its gear and introduced a focused development program to obtain the highest possible optical parameters and reduce the product's size at the same time. These efforts resulted in the latest version of Samyang 10 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS lens featuring parameters and capabilities comparable to the best wide-angle prime and zoom lenses on the market.

Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS is an ideal tool for indoor, architecture and landscape shooting. It provides an exceptionally wide field of view of up to 109.5 degrees and rectilinear image mapping function. Owing to a fast f/2.8 lens speed you can also use the lens in low light conditions. This is why it turns out a useful tool for sport photography and photojournalism purposes. The product's optics comprises 14 elements divided into 10 groups, this includes 2 aspherical AS lenses and one lens made of extra-low dispersion glass. During development works on the prototype version the lens was fitted with an embedded lens hood which ensures more compact size of the lens and reduces its weight by approximately 160 grams*. * - applicable to a version with Canon E mount

NCS (Nano Coating System)
Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS is the first Samyang Optics lens featuring a nano crystal anti-reflection coating system. This technology provides lower reflection factor than (U)MC system as the coating is now applied more evenly on the surface of the lens. Benefits brought by the nano crystal layer include better light transmission, increased resistance to reflections and higher contrast, and all of this translates into supreme optical resolution of the lens.

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Sample images and specifications can be found here.

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  • Chimphappyhour

    So, for those of us who can’t keep up with which company’s acronyms mean what, which cameras will this lens fit on? FX DX?

    • Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ

      DX lens. should be apparent from its size.

      • Chimphappyhour

        There is nothing to scale this lens against in these photos.

        • CHA0S_TH30RY

          Sure there is – you can scale it against the rear lens cap.

      • EnPassant

        How so? It’s about the same size and weigh more than the full frame Samyang 14/2.8!
        A consequence it being made for DSLRs using a mount and distance to sensor for full frame cameras.
        Had it been made for mirrorfree (sounds way better than mirrorless!) cameras with a short mount distance using an APS-C (DX in Nikon language) sensor a 10/2.8 lens could have been much smaller and half the weight.

        • Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ

          It still needs enough glas for that 10mm wide angle and f2.8 aperture. And the front element is clearly bigger on the 14/2.8.
          So unless Samyang has a magic design team that can design a 10/2.8 FF lens that is smaller than a 14/2.8 FF lens, I would just call the 10/2.8 an obvious DX lens

          • El Aura

            There has never been a rectilinear WA lens for (D)SLR FX wider than 12 mm (Sigma 12-24mm f/4-5.6). For flange distances smaller then what a mirrorbox requires, wider rectilinear lenses exist, eg, if you where to mount the Canon 17 mm T/S lens onto a mirrorless ‘full frame’ 645 digital MF, it would provide an angle of view of about 11 mm on FX.

            As others have said, given the size of existing FF 14 or 15 mm f/2.8 lenses, a 10 mm f/2.8 for FX, which would (a) be sensational and (b) much larger than this Samyang, anything but DX doesn’t make much sense. Just look how bulbous the front lens element is on f/2.8 14 or 15 mm FX SLR lenses, the 12-24 mm f/4 FX or the 17 mm T/S (11 mm eqiv.).

        • LarryC

          It should be called a “direct sensor camera” or something similar that describes what these cameras do, not a description of items the cameras don’t have. It’s like calling cars “horseless carriages”.

      • Mansgame

        Not really. No-names like Sigma and Samyingyang often try gimmicky focal lengths with crap results.

        • Mike

          “No-names like Sigma.” baahaha, silly troll

          • Mansgame

            I’ve been around photography for a while. Sigma was never known for quality. I remember paint peeling off their lenses and a $600 lens reselling for $200. Just because they have a few “art” lenses doesn’t mean they’re anything special.

            Samyammyangyang is still an ebay brand.

            • Andrzej Lukowiec

              My $850 super Nikkor went for… $130. Even worse :(

            • Mansgame

              Was it dropped? Which lens? 14-24mm was about $1500 4 years ago.

            • Andrzej Lukowiec

              No, it wasn’t. Immaculate AF-S 24-120 3.5-5.6G VR… A Nikkor. Quality NAME lens. Another one, also Nikkor, retails for $300 went for less than $100… AF 28 2.8. Also sold Tamron 10-24… This fetched only 76% of its retail value. But it wasn’t that good ;)

            • Mansgame

              I’m comparing apples to apples. This is probably one of the worst modern lenses Nikon has made. The release price was $560 so if you paid $850 for it, you got ripped off from the start.

              You can’t compare Nikon’s worst lens with sigma’s best new lenses. Let’s compare Sigma’s worst lenses to Nikon’s worst lenses and Nikon still comes out ahead.

            • Andrzej Lukowiec

              The lens was in production for 7 or more years… But just comparing resale value… Your Sigma resales for 33.3% and Nikkor fetches only.23.2% (taking into account quoted by you US price). My point is, if something is good, DOES NOT MATTER WHO made it. If it is Sigma, Tamron, Samyang, Canon or Nikon… The same relates to the price. There are many inexpensive (call it BARGAINS) around and who cares…
              Good to have choice :D

            • Andrzej Lukowiec

              My $850 super Nikkor went for… $130. Even worse :(

          • Danzig

            You saved me a 10-line objective reply trying to show him otherwise, but I couldn’t have said it better than you did :) There is no cure for trolls except spotting them out…

            • TeaBreak

              So I’ll do it. AFS 24-120 3.5-5.6 G VR and AFD 28 /2.8 are the ultimative outliners in Nikon lens portfolio – no good example for denying the value rentention of Nikkors. Btw: these lenses are old lenses constructed in film aera.Their decline in value was due the lack of sharpness with digital bodies as their rear glass element causes soft corners (too much bended).
              And of course Sigma lenses have a very bad reputation regarding quality. May become different in the future (art series) but I’m served. Never ever buy a Sigma again, this is a “named nonquality company”. Nothing other than a no-name company. As well as Samyang.

            • Andrzej Lukowiec

              You could add 35/2.0 AFD… and a few more from that era, still in Nikon’s portofolio. So, I guess, Nikon thinks they must be good… As AFS 50/1.4G. BTW, will test Nikon’s service with this one. Focus shift issues and focusing in general. Fine tune does not cure this one as there are different setting depending on the distance (from -20 to +6). Will never buy a Nikkor glass again.
              So only Sigma has a bad reputation regarding quality issues? You made me laugh… ;)

    • singlecoilpickup

      It’s APS-C.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        Yes, it’s APS-C/DX lens. I updated the post.

    • Michael Choong

      guess is dx lens lol

    • silmasan

      There, field of view of … 109.5 degree. That’d be about 15~16mm on 35mm/FX, says my cheat sheet.

      • Spy Black

        Just multiply the focal length by1.5 and you’d of reached the same conclusion. ;-)

        • silmasan

          There was a rumor of a 10mm rectilinear FX lens, so I deemed it wise not to prematurely jump into conclusions ;-)

          • andy

            That 10mm rumour will probably be a tilt-shift ultra wide ala Canon 17mm f/4 TS.

    • James Leahy

      The companies information states that the pictured lens is an APS-C lens with Nikon mount. Lenses designed for APS-C sensors for Nikon are DX lenses. However, Nikon D-SLR cameras all have the same mount so the lens will fit on either a DX or FX Nikon F mount camera. Since the lens is designated as an APS-C compatible lens the lens is designed to be used on a DX camera for the smaller APS-C sensor. It is likely that if used on an FX camera the image circle will not fully cover the larger FX sensor.

      • Spy Black

        Sometimes if you stop down enough you can get FX converge with some DX lenses, you’d simply have to try it with this lens to see if it would do it or not. If it does then it would be a hell of a wideangle on the FX body

    • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

      I read APS-C in the text… i.e. DX

      • Chimphappyhour

        Awesome. If you scroll up to where NR responded, you’d see they added that after my comment.

  • SK_HDP

    Lens hood looks too big for 10mm wide-angle.

    • Loki

      You a lens engineer?

      Thought so…

    • Dover

      It only has a 109 degree angle of view, it isn’t a 180 fisheye. It looks like a normal hood for such a lens. Unfortunately, it looks non-removable.

  • Remedy

    Told ya!

  • waterengineer

    What does it mean, “rectilinear image mapping function?” Is that just a fancy way of saying it is a rectangular image and not a circular one?

    • Meinrad

      “Rectilinear” means that straight lines stay as straight lines. It therefore is not a fisheye lens, but a regular wide angle lens.

      • JcPhotoMedia

        that isn’t what it means – the first guy had it. There are rectilinear fisheyes and circular fisheyes. This is neither but rectilinear does not stop a lens from being a fisheye

        • Dover

          Wrong. Rectilinear refers to a wide angle lens that renders straight lines straight. Curvilinear refers to a full frame (as in not circular) fisheye lens.

      • LarryC

        Of course, all things are relative. Every one of my Nikon lenses lenses distort to some degree, that’s why we have LR lens correction.

    • http://loewald.com/ Tonio Loewald

      I think more like it doesn’t distort images (i.e. isn’t a fisheye).

  • G16

    How Samyang optical quality compare to Nikon and Canon’s L series? I mean I have heard that it is very good, but how?

    • Spy Black

      Most lenses are quite good, the 35mm f/1.4 being the best of their lineup, better than the Nikon, Canon, and Sony equivalents. The 24mm f/1.4 isn’t so good, the 85mm f/1.4, while not as sharp at the principle point of focus as the Nikkor, blows it away in bokeh. The 14mm f/2.8 is spectacular except for it’s mustache distortion. The 24mm PC lens is quite good.

      If it doesn’t suffer from distortion like the 14mm, I anticipate this to be another great lens from them.

      • Johnny Dough

        Easy fix for the 14mm: don’t photograph anyone with a moustache ;-)

    • xtt2

      my 200USD 2nd hand 85 1.4 for nikon AE is great. The only problem is manual focus.

    • Aeroengineer

      I have the 14MM f/2.8 and it can produce wonderful results on the D800E. Agree with Spy Black that distortion is not uniform barrel, but for landscape shots this is not a big issue. And we all know that manual focus on the 800 isn’t well supported. But for 20% of the price of the Nikon 14-24 F/2.8 it is a no brainer if you need 14mm.

  • Kenoko

    Far more interesting is 12mm f2, which is made for mirrorless cameras (But not for Nikon 1). http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1039948-REG/rokinon_rk12m_e_12mm_f_2_0_ncs_cs.html

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Since the other lenses were not Nikon related, I covered them on PhotoRumors.

      • xtt2

        any idea about why this len is not available for nikon dx? this one is really more interesting.

        • http://500px.com/yoan_mitov/ Yoan

          Because it was designed for mirrorless cameras.

          • xt

            Can’t they just change to mount and make it become nikon DX len? since there is no AF.

            • http://500px.com/yoan_mitov/ Yoan

              No. Mirrorless cameras have a much shorter flange distance compared to DSLRs. If they put a DX mount on this lens the mirror would probably hit the rearmost lens.

        • Kim

          I see many people on the web calling a lens: ‘len’, as if the word ‘lens’ is plural. It isn’t.
          ‘One lens, many lenses’!
          Spread the word around!
          (I refuse to believe that THAT many people have a stuck ‘s’ on their keyboard…)

          • xt

            thanks for correction..

    • LarryC

      +1, and the 10mm f/2.8 and 24 f/1.4. These are pretty bright lenses for MFT and others and MF is perfectly fine for these FL.

    • LarryC

      +1, and the 10mm f/2.8 and 24 f/1.4. These are pretty bright lenses for MFT and others and MF is perfectly fine for these FL.

  • rt-photography

    for the price theyre ok. build quality is meh. all in all you get good (not great) optics. I went with the 8mm fisheye, and for an amateur or hobbyist its fine. but the IQ isnt as good as id want. will get the sigma for $300 more.

    just make sure you get the lens with the chip for better efficient exposure control. bower, pro optic, samyang, rokinon, all the same crap.

    dont know why they cant make a locking tab for the aperture ring.

    • Spy Black

      You can’t judge the Samyang line by one lens, especially the one you chose. Would you judge the Nikon line by one lens?

      • rt-photography

        you are correct. I work with people in the industry who use it. the consensus is theyre a good alternative to the expensive AF version by others. all said, nice IQ, but nothing spectacular. good alternatives for those who are low on funds. you can upgrade later.

        videographers love the 85 1.4 but one has a slipping focus ring if he turns it too fast.

        I had the sigma 15 fisheye so can compare it. both are nice. but if you think about it, the samyang isnt a great deal. IQ is not as good. f3.5 vs 2.8 and af and build quality is better on the sigma a bit and better warranty, so for $250 more, its cheaper to go with the sigma from the get go. bad buying decision on my part but I was low on paper.

  • NikOnAndNikOff

    Just a tad faster than the 10-24 Nikkor, not a lot cheaper, manual focus… meh

    • MyrddinWilt

      Someone can have my barely used 10-24 Nikkor for the price they are asking for this.

      Its a great lens for the price. But I moved up to a D800 and a 14-24 and that is better for everything except putting a filter on it.

      I can’t see wanting to use a MF lens on a DX body.

      What would interest me a lot more it the rumored replacement for the 16mm fisheye. If they do a zoom that goes out to a full circle on the widest end they will get my money for it.

  • jp

    Finally some interesting glass for my DX Nikon. Samyang makes great glass (e.g. 85 1.4), but MF only – fortunately that’s not a problem for this UWA. It’s an advantage. Go Samyang, take my money. Did somebody tell Nikon that we cannot mount Nikon 1 crap on DX body???

    • Kynikos

      Exactly. Who needs AF at 10mm?

      • http://www.gradyphoto.com/ Pete Grady

        Actually, you really need AF. I shoot a lot with a Sigma 10-20MM F/3.5 and it’s difficult to see what’s going on, especially on the short end. Sure you can stop down, but diffraction sets in pretty quickly and the image starts to get soft. I haven’t tried a magnifier (I’m shooting with a D300s) but I’d like to try and find one and see if that helps as I’d much prefer to do MF with all my lenses most of the time if I could.

        • Kynikos

          Must strictly be my style of photography–I grab a UWA lens, whack it out to infinity, and everything I need is in focus.

      • rt-photography

        Ud be surprised. their 8mm fisheye needs adjusting to get proper focus.

  • Kynikos

    This is a small point in a way as it has nothing to do with the lens, but a larger point for Samyang overall: why would you put out a press release in any language that is not written by a native speaker? This isn’t an us-vs-them racist rant: if I was a lens manufacturer speaking mostly English, but marketing my glass all over the world, I would have native speakers (and great writers) doing my releases.

    I mention this only because the third-party manufacturers often get the criticism, usually unfairly, that their goods are lower-quality. Why reinforce that stereotype, even subtly and unintentionally, by putting out material that doesn’t read perfectly.

    Me, I’m likely buying the lens for my D90.

    • http://www.gradyphoto.com/ Pete Grady

      Yes, I always think the same thing. This one isn’t as bad as some, but it could be better, for sure. It always leaves me wondering, if they don’t care or know enough to do this, what about the product itself?

      • Kynikos

        Good point about the samples.
        $10K spend the right way might sell 10K extra units.

  • Marcel

    No filter thread, no go. (for me)

  • http://www.Ilvision.com iLvision

    Meh. I wanted some AF wide angle FX glass or an AF prime.

    • http://www.gradyphoto.com/ Pete Grady

      Poor You, maybe next time.

  • Aldo

    I was so good and fast with manual focus on my F3 using the split screen… I could never get used to it with modern DSLR’s

    • Spy Black

      The solution is to have an effective eyepiece magnifier. Modern screens have far finer micro finish, making it difficult to “snap” in a shot with most lenses 50mm or shorter. I’m gonna try to design en effective magnifier with components from this supplier:
      http://tinyurl.com/m9b25jx
      I might discuss this with an optician and possibly have him design it, as I don’t think just sticking a magnifying lens in there is gonna cut it. I would like to get my D600′s 0.7x magnification up around 1x, or even greater if possible.

    • Spy Black

      Actually, they have a ready-made 1.3x unit for $45 that brings the D600′s 0.7x eyepiece magnification to 0.91x, I don’t know if that would be sufficient:http://tinyurl.com/kkjm7r9

  • broxibear

    I think this is it, along with a 1980′s soundtrack…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjprneAiPY

    • broxibear

      I think he was trying to unsuccessfully rip off Kraftwerk’s Tour De France, that’s a great track…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3p-F2x7rY

      • Spy Black

        I’m not sure if that was it, I think he was just using a lot of syncopated sequenced riffs with retro sounds that fall into the same vein.

        • broxibear

          Hi Spy (with my little eye ? lol)
          I know…it just reminded me of the Kraftwerk track

          • Spy Black

            Visually it looks pretty impressive, at hidef anyway. It appears to look like another winner from them, only one relative architectural example, so the jury’s out on whether it’s well corrected or not. Certainly a great candidate for natural scenic shotshowever.

  • Rob

    Needs to be in the $450-650 range to compete against the Sigma 10-20. Probably drop in price after Christmas.

    • David Peterson

      Hello Rob ;-)

      I’m glad to see this 10mm f/2.8 has came out, the more competition and choice the better it is for everybody.

      But I reckon I will be *this year* be purchasing the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 instead. It is pretty comparable in price (cheaper even! Until the Samyang drops in price, which I guess will happen?), has Auto Focus, as a zoom it has a greater range than a prime, and has a rock solid reputation already. Only disadvantage is 11mm vs 10mm

      For me the Sigma 10-20mm f/3.5 isn’t in the picture, is kinda pricy yet 2/3rd of a stop slower. Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 is even worse, though it is now comparable in price, it is a whole stop faster. I like to take every bit of extra speed that I can for the low light and indoor shoots that I do :-)

      • Rob

        I had the 10-20,4-5.6 which was a neat lens and very sharp. I’ve never coveted fast lenses as I like outdoors photography. Yes the more the merrier, though for it to sell they will be competing against AF zooms as you say, not an easy task as people look for features not ultimate sharpness or brightness at this end of price scale. The Tokina is generally more expensive here in NZ though I think they have better build quality to the Sigma, 10 or 11mm is neither here nor there, I would grab the Tokina if you can afford it, it didn’t exist when I was in my UWA phase.

  • rt-photography

    whats the deal with all the initials in the lens names. ap ts rf ed pc asp dc ip fl wth wtf..

    I guess more initials make it seem more expensive and they can ask for more money. or if you put an A like sigma do, its an automatic jump of $400 haha

  • Rick

    Around 500 euros for this lens when we can have the Tokina 11-16mm or the Canon 10-22mm and use filters? Good luck Samyang.

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