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Nikon Df vs. Nikon D800 specifications comparison

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Nikon Df vs. Nikon D800 specifications comparison:

Playback Functions Auto Image Rotation
Full-Frame and Thumbnail (4, 9, or 72 images or calendar)
GPS data display
Highlights
Histogram Display
Photo information
Playback with Zoom
Slideshow
Auto Image Rotation
Full-Frame and Thumbnail (4, 9, or 72 images or calendar)
Histogram Display
Image Comment
Movie Playback
Movie Slideshow
Playback with Zoom
Slideshow
Highlights
Live View Shooting Photography Live View Mode Photography Live View Mode
Movie Live View Mode
Monitor Size 3.2in. diagonal 3.2in. diagonal
ISO Sensitivity ISO100-12,800
Lo-1 (ISO 50)
Hi-4 (ISO 204,800)
ISO100-6400
Lo-1 (ISO 50)
Hi-1 (ISO 12,800)
Hi-2 (ISO 25,600)
File Format Still Images JPEG: JPEG-Baseline Compliant; can be selected from Size Priority and Optimal Quality
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline Compliant with fine (approx 1:4), Normal (approx 1:8) or Basic (approx 1:16) Compression
NEF (RAW) + JPEG: Single Photograph Recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG Formats
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline Compliant with fine (approx 1:4), Normal (approx 1:8) or Basic (approx 1:16) Compression
NEF (RAW): lossless compressed 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline-Compliant; can be selected from Size Priority and Optimal Quality
Battery / Batteries One EN-EL14a Rechargeable Li-ion Battery or EN-EL14 Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL15 Lithium-ion Battery
White Balance Auto (2 types)
Choose color temperature (2500K–10000K)
Cloudy
Direct Sunlight
Flash
Fluorescent (7 types)
Incandescent
Preset manual (up to 4 values can be stored)
Shade
Auto (2 types)
Choose color temperature (2500K–10000K)
Cloudy
Direct Sunlight
Flash
Fluorescent (7 types)
Incandescent
Preset manual (up to 4 values can be stored)
Shade
Picture Control Landscape
Monochrome
Neutral
Portrait
Standard
User-customizable Settings
Vivid
Landscape
Monochrome
Neutral
Portrait
Standard
User-customizable Settings
Vivid
Built-in Flash -- Yes
Approx. Dimensions (Width x Height x Depth) 5.6in.(143.5mm)x4.3in.(110mm)x2.6in.(66.5mm) 5.7in.(144.78mm)x4.8in.(121.92mm)x3.2in.(81.28mm)
Monitor Resolution 921,000Dots 921,000Dots
Lens Mount Nikon F bayonet mount Nikon F bayonet mount
Battery Life (shots per charge) 1,400shots (CIPA) 900shots (CIPA)
Viewfinder Frame Coverage FX (36x24):100% Horizontal and 100% Vertical(Approx.)
DX (24x16):97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical(Approx.)
FX (36x24):100% Horizontal and 100% Vertical(Approx.)
1.2x (30x20):97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical(Approx.)
DX (24x16):97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical(Approx.)
5:4 (30x24):97% Horizontal and 97% Vertical(Approx.)
White Balance Bracketing 2 to 3 exposures in increments of 1, 2 or 3 EV 2 to 9 exposures in increments of 1, 2 or 3 EV
Storage Media SD
SDHC
SDXC
CompactFlash© (CF) (Type I, compliant with UDMA)
SD
SDHC
SDXC
In-Camera Image Editing Color Balance
Color Outline
Color Sketch
D-Lighting
Filter Effects
Fisheye
Image Overlay
Miniature Effect
Monochrome
NEF (RAW) Processing
Perspective Control
Quick Retouch
Red-Eye Correction
Resize
Selective Color
Side-by-Side Comparison
Straighten
Trim
Color Outline
Color Sketch
D-Lighting
Distortion Control
Edit Movie
Filter Effects
Fisheye
Image Overlay
Miniature Effect
Monochrome
NEF (RAW) Processing
Perspective Control
Quick Retouch
Red-Eye Correction
Resize
Selective Color
Side-by-Side Comparison
Straighten
Trim
Color Balance
Effective Pixels 16.2million 36.3million
Flash Bracketing 2 to 5 frames in steps of 1/3, 2/3, 1, 2, or 3 EV 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, or 1 EV
Card Slot 1 Secure Digital (SD) 1 CompactFlash© (CF) card and 1 Secure Digital (SD) card
AC Adapter EH-5b AC Adapter; requires EP-5A Power Connector (available separately) EH-5b AC Adapter
Requires EP-5B Power Supply Connector
Lens Compatibility at a Glance*** AF-S or AF lenses fully compatible
Metering with AI lenses
AF-S or AF lenses fully compatible
Metering with AI lenses
Monitor Type Wide Viewing Angle TFT-LCD Wide Viewing Angle TFT-LCD
Viewfinder Magnification 0.70x(Approx.) 0.70x(Approx.)
GPS GP-1 GPS unit
GP-1A GPS unit
GP-1 GPS unit
Approx. Weight 25oz.(710g)camera body only 31.7oz.(900g)camera body only
Sensor Size 36.0mmx23.9mm 35.9mmx24mm
Fastest Shutter Speed 1/4000sec. 1/8000sec.
Dynamic AF Mode Number of AF points: 9, 21, 39 and 39 (3D-tracking) Number of AF points: 9, 21, 51 and 51 (3D-tracking)
Image Sensor Format FX FX
Slowest Shutter Speed 30sec. 30sec.
Viewfinder Eyepoint 15 mm (-1.0m¯¹) --
Auto-area AF Mode Yes Yes
Top FP High Speed Sync Up to 1/4000 Up to 1/8000
Flash Sync Modes Auto FP High-Speed Sync supported
Front-curtain sync (normal)
Rear-curtain sync
Red-Eye reduction
Red-Eye reduction with slow sync
Slow rear-curtain sync
Slow sync
Front-curtain sync (normal)
Rear-curtain sync
Red-Eye reduction
Red-Eye reduction with slow sync
Slow sync
Flash Compensation -3 to +1 EV in increments of 1/3 or 1/2 EV -3 to +1 EV in increments of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV
Scene Modes -- --
Movie -- HD 1,920x1,080 / 30 fps
HD 1,920x1,080 / 24 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 30 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 24 fps
HD 1,280x720 / 60 fps
Mirror Lock Up Yes Yes
Movie Audio -- Built-in microphone, monaural
External stereo microphone (optional)
Exposure Compensation ±3 EV in increments of 1/3EV ±5 EV in increments of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 EV
Top Continuous Shooting Speed at full resolution 5.5 frames per second 4 frames per second
Focus Modes Auto AF-S/AF-C selection (AF-A)
Continuous-servo (AF-C)
Face-Priority AF
Full-time Servo (AF-A) available in Live View only
Manual (M) with electronic rangefinder
Normal area
Single-servo AF (AF-S)
Wide area and subject tracking AF available in Live View only
Auto AF-S/AF-C selection (AF-A)
Continuous-servo (AF-C)
Face-Priority AF available in Live View only and D-Movie only
Full-time Servo (AF-A) available in Live View only
Manual (M) with electronic rangefinder
Normal area
Single-servo AF (AF-S)
Wide area
Nikon Creative Lighting System (CLS) CLS Supported Built-in flash Commander Mode
CLS Supported
Exposure Bracketing 2 to 5 frames in steps of 1/3, 2/3, 1, 2, or 3 EV 2 to 9 frames in steps of 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 or 1 EV
Maximum Autofocus Areas/Points 39 51
 Price $2,746.96 $2,796.95
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  • Parfumeur

    I think an important feature (albeit I do not think important) for the purists, is the documented feature that the Fx will accept non Ai lenses. Truly retro, for those that want manual control ‘a la Leica M’ on their creative impulses. So, out of the box all those old non Ai lenses, Watch out Lens Baby, you have competion!

    • http://kyleclements.com/ Kyle Clements

      And it has no split prism to focus those non-AI lenses easily, defeating the purpose of allowing those lenses.

      • David

        Some of us actually understand how to focus without a split prism. Crazy I know.

        • Pat Mann

          As long as you’re keeping your aperture no faster than about f/2.8, you’re golden, or if you trust the electronic indicator, or use live view. If you’re focusing visually and want to be accurate at f/1.4, you need a different screen than the one that comes with this camera.

          • Sahaja

            In theory yes – but, with lots of experience, you usually learn to judge where that point should be – as long as you are using lenses properly designed for manual focus.

            • Read the FAQ

              I find that I have to bracket focus sometimes especially with something like the 50mm 1.2 wide open (like you do with a lens that has focus shift issues.) That works but tends to slow everything down. Wide open is always kind of tough even with a Leica’s bright rangefinder patch, let alone a single lens reflex camera (and esp in dimmer light.) And our bodies even tend to sway a bit when hand holding….

        • Troublemaker

          Just watch the highlights. And even on my D600, the focus indicator works great… even at f/1.4. A little slower than autofocus, but it works. If you are in a situation that requires better focus (lower light), just plug on one of your AF lenses… it’s not like any of us are going to rely on MF lenses alone. Lighten up, folks. The Df is a really cool machine in its own right. Stop carping and comparing. I can’t wait to get mine, with the restyled 50mm 1.8.

        • Ronan

          Crazy for sure!

          This camera is a quick way to thin out the crowds of wanabee’s retro shooter (or w/e they are called this year).

          Now that i think about it… i got a F3/T HP with a matt screen (replaced a damaged type K)… i better go buy a split screen for it ASAP or else it’s worthless! (I got a few hundreds rolls that shows it focuses perfectly fine at all apertures with a multitude of lenses, but heh what do i know!).

          • Read the FAQ

            I don’t use the K screen in my F3, either. I use a red dot matte screen with grid markings instead. But I do have both finders: the DE-2 and the DE-3 (which makes it into the F3HP.) I much prefer the DE-2 non-HP finder because of the .08x magnification.

            I have no real problems focusing manual lenses on my D800E, but the magnification is only .07x (same as the Df) and I feel that this makes a difference (for me.) And a DK-17M doesn’t cut it for me. If the prism of the Df is actual better/brighter despite the screen being identical to the D800/D610, that would be okay. But it would have been nice to have a bit higher magnification (I don’t wear glasses) and a bright screen. I’ll just have to see how it is when I can try one out.

      • Parfumeur

        Interesting. I was at PhotoPlus Expo, and tried the Zeiss Othus 55mm f/1.4. The Othus sample was mounted on a Canon (dunno the #, as I’m Nikon) with a split screen and surrounded by a micro prism. Worked nicely. I do remember in my film days, I would always get the matte screen with the grid. Never had a problem with the matte screen, albeit, indeed it would have been a nice touch to have the split screen on the Fx.

      • Ronan

        So far everyone that tested the camera say’s it doesn’t need a split prism to focus properly…

        Have you tried it?

        • Read the FAQ

          Can you point to those tests (besides what Bjorn says) where others have actually used manual lenses on the Df. Everything I’ve seen so far has been with the kit lens. Plus there’s still an embargo on publishing any images made with the Df.

          • Bill Ferris

            “Photographylife” has comparisons of the Df, D700, D610 and D800, including sample shots with all four bodies across the full range of ISO’s. The person who regularly shoots at ISO 6400 and higher will probably find the Df of interest. At or below ISO 6400, the D610 and D800 hold their own, quite well.

            • Read the FAQ

              Those aren’t images from the Df. They are images from the D4 used as a substitute for the Df. Anybody can find images from the D4. (Imaging Resources Comparometer is the best place for that: http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM)

              There’s still an embargo on images from the Df. I realize the sensor is the same, but there may very well be some differences with the Df and the D4. Nobody knows yet for certain. In addition no one has tried using a manual AI/AIS lens on the Df. Even the Camera Store (see their Youtube video) wasn’t allowed to mount a manual Nikkor on the Df (they mounted one on the D4 instead as a substitute and used images from the D4 as substitutes.)

              The only person so far to say that the finder is different, and who said that they did mount a manual lens (the Noct), was Bjorn. We’re just going to have to wait for a while, I guess. Bjorn says he should have one in two weeks and I know that he’ll be mounting older Nikkors on it; plus he’ll know how different the files might be (if they are any different.) But if the finder is indeed different/better, it’s odd that Nikon doesn’t emphasize this in their marketing of the Df.

            • Bill Ferris

              Thanks for catching my miss on the D4 images used in the comparisons. Since Nikon states that the Df has the same sensor and EXPEED 3 image-processing engine as the D4, the logical expectation is that the Df should deliver the same high ISO performance. It will be interesting to see that put to the test in comparisons using actual Df images.

            • Read the FAQ

              Yeah, I have no doubt that it will be certainly as good as the D4 in respect to ISO (for me, the D4 sensor in a smaller package is the real calling card for this camera; I’m somewhat ambivalent about the ‘retro’ interface.) But some people are speculating that it might be even better in certain ways, and that Nikon may have improved the file processing, etc.. Again, we’ll have to sit tight and wait. I’m probably more interested in the finder and whether it really is an improvement (as Bjorn suggests) over the current finders.

  • EAJ

    Swag//No Swag (pop-up flash)

  • MLN

    Nikon Df has “T”, Nikon D800 does not.

    • lorenzo

      what’s T?

      • Pat Mann

        T = “Time” exposure – press to start, press again or rotate something to stop, or perhaps turn shutter dial off T. Different cameras have done it different ways. On the F, it was rotating the ring around the release, as I recall, but this doesn’t have that style of shutter button.

  • Landscape Photographer

    I use tilt-shift lenses on my D800, and it has enough room to accommodate them. It looks to me that full shift movements with a tilt-shift will not be possible with this camera, (just by visual inspection of them side-by-side.)

    • lorenzo

      Correct.

      I read a note days ago: the Df doesn’t support PC lenses.

      • Pat Mann

        The PC lenses work just like they do with other Nikon cameras – the electronic rangefinder doesn’t work with tilts, and the metering doesn’t work well with tilts and shifts. The lens compatibility chart also indicates that the 24 PC-E can hit the body when tilted.

        Bottom line – they work just as I would expect – even my old 28 PC.

        • lorenzo

          > The lens compatibility chart also indicates that the 24 PC-E can hit the body when tilted.

          I see a contradiction here :-)

          • Pat Mann

            I suspect most of the range is available for use. If’ it worries you, I’d test the 24 with it before purchasing the camera. Personally, I have found the shifts to be sufficient, though I can imagine applications where tilts would also be useful.

      • 103david

        Who uses PC lenses anymore? Your camera hates them, they’re not very good lenses in the first place, your camera hates them, slow & clunky in the field, your camera still hates them, forces crappy edge resolution usage, and did I mention just how much your camera hates them?
        PC lenses have always been a stopgap item waiting for the invention of the computer and photoshop so they could blessedly retire.
        Hey, kids, it’s all done in post now, but only if you want good results.

  • ConsciousConsumer

    I guess I won’t be downgrading my D800 anytime soon…yeah!

  • lorenzo

    The current price of the D800 is $2,796.95 until 11/23

  • One More Thought

    The Df is not a model you buy based on spec comparisons. The Df is bought for the emotion, the feel, as well as the specs. It’s just like those who buy a Leica; there is no rational basis for buying such a camera at its price. But w/ the Nikon you do get a very strong performance set.

    Of course one also has to wait until the camera is released and truly experienced. The look, the feel, even the performance of the D4 sensor, is something that most people cannot anticipate.

    I’m still ambivalent on the Df, until I actually see and hold one, but I at least am willing to have an open mind.

    • Etr brony

      Well said!

    • One More Thought

      To add to my own statement:
      Bjorn Roslett is a very discerning and respected Nikonian…
      Here is what he wrote:

      Just returned from my first encounter with the Df. It is a lovely camera and ergonomically it’s a dream come true. Everything positioned where it should be. The viewfinder is much better than the sheer numbers would indicate and I had no problem whatsoever seeing the entire frame plus info below with my spectacles on. Focusing manual lenses was a breeze, even the 50/1.2, Noct, or my 35/1.4.

      When asked: Any significant improvement over the D800’s VF?
      His response: Lightyears ahead.

      Bjorn goes on to report on the Vf:
      Bright, clear, everything plainly visible even with spectacles on. And the fast MF lenses snapped in and out of focus.

      Just goes to show the numbers game don’t alway play out as one might expect.

      • Sahaja

        He’s also had the advantage of using the camera – which all the all the moaners and complainers here haven’t

        • desmo

          So,if they haven’t used it maybe
          they shouldn’t complain

          (or submit opinions based on their lack of experience)

      • owner

        How is the VF light years ahead than D800? Seems to have same specs…

        • desmo

          he’s talking about how sharp the viewfinder/focusing screen is,
          something he’s had they opportunity to use.
          (something that’s not listed in the specs)

      • neversink

        “Nikonians” never says anything bad about any Nikon camera, particularly if they have memberships to sell, books to sell, etc….
        Who cares about Nikonians. They even censor you on their website at times when you say critical things about Nikon they don’t agree with. I have no idea whether this Df is all it is hyped to be. I’m sure it will take fine photos. Owning the D4 and D800 for the bulk of my work, I see no need for me to downgrade to the Df.

      • Freeloader

        Doesn’t he work or is somehow compensated by NIKON?

  • One More Thought
  • Ronan

    ??? Two very different camera’s for two very different market.

    What’s with all the comparisons? Just because they share a price? That’s not a valid reason honestly…

    • Dpablo unfiltered

      I think one is a good counterpoint to the other. The new one is a lot trimmer and lighter. It has much lower resolution but still a good amount and is completely workable at extremely high iso. The one has 51 points for auto focus the other has a nice viewfinder for actually practicing photography.

      This way we won’t be able to enjoy any more brilliant discussion regarding the focus of some particular wide angle zoom in the far left hand corner…

  • Ian Lee

    what’s with the 1/4000 max shutter speed? That’s unacceptable

    • One More Thought

      How many times does one shoot wide open in very bright conditions anyway?

      My bet is that most people complaining about the max shutter speed very rarely if ever need anything faster.

      • MrSkelter

        I strongly disagree. I buy fast glass for shooting without strobes and so I can control depth of field. If I can’t shoot at 1/8000 (or faster) I can’t control DOF in daylight to the same extent. It’s easy to find situations with ugly background in which you want to shoot portraits. Even losing ads in a blur makes images more pleasant. I don’t want to stop down because the camera has told me to, rather than as a choice I’m making.

        • Sahaja

          Dƒ has a lower ISO so, as suggested – drop the ISO.

          50 ISO @ 1/4000 = 100 ISO @ 1/8000

        • Dpablo unfiltered

          What do you use to shoot faster than 1/8000?

          • fred

            Maybe he shoots with a Nikon D1 (up to 1/16,000 sec)

          • MrSkelter

            A camera? A Nikon 1, a Panny GH2, a D1…

        • Daniel Shortt

          why are you shooting a portrait with a bad background? sounds like you aren’t shooting a portrait but more after a PJ style shot, it is what it is, if you can’t work with 50iso and 1/4000 then you probably don’t have the skill to have the camera in the first place

          • Joel

            There are photographers out there who often don’t have a choice in location, ie event / wedding togs. Your ignorance reveals a pretty limited shooting experience.

            • Daniel Shortt

              I shoot events and weddings. Never needed to go over 1/4000th. Besides my comments were in regards to the above person saying they shoot portraits with bad backgrounds. Shooting a portrait in midday sun with a bad background sounds like the problem, not the lack of a fastert shutter

            • Chris

              No you just sound ignorant.

            • Daniel Shortt

              How so? Everything I said is from on the job shooting.

          • MrSkelter

            1. 50 iso isn’t real on DSLRs. It’s just a firmware hack. Native ISO is higher on every body I know of. You’re just losing dynamic range genius.

            2. A portrait doesn’t mean a studio portrait. There are thousands of places to shoot portraits with backgrounds you might want to obscure. Are you seriously suggesting I limit my photos based on what’s behind my subject? Do you consider all non-studio photography work photojournalism? Ever seen a wedding?

            3. Your comment “…f you can’t work with 50iso and 1/4000 then you probably don’t have the skill to have the camera in the first place” makes you sound like a colossal asshole. I’m glad you allow 1/4000. Why not suggest a “skilled enough” shooter only needs 1/125, f4 and a 50mm?

            • Daniel Shortt

              1 look up any charts of modern sensors, they all get better dynamic range at 50iso compared to 100, no loss of quality, I use 50iso often.

              2 portraits can be anywhere, but as a photographer its your job to find the best option available, if you don’t have that control you aren’t shooting a portrait, You are doing PJ work, its an argument over a definition, and pointless, but ask any PJ out there, they get the shot how ever they need to, so if shooting at f2 instead of 1.4 is whats needed…

              3. No, just pointing out some facts you don’t like, there is a difference. Photography is about problem solving for the most part, you pick a detail that has so many ways to over come it and bitch about it, just makes you look precious and like a bit of an “asshole”. Is having the option nice? sure! but if they told you the shutter would cost an extra $300 more, would you pay it? no you would just complain about the price instead…

            • MrSkelter

              Thanks for making this easy. I’ve ejaculated smarter stuff than you.

              1. Crack a book. ISO 50 is BS on DSLR’s because it’s not native. Native ISO on the D800 is 100. Native ISO on Canon bodies is 158, which they label 200. It used to be 160-200 on Nikon. I guess only one of us has a Physics degree. Read this and be quiet. http://dpanswers.com/content/tech_iso.php

              2. My “job” as a photographer is to take the best picture of my subject possible. That’s determined by the subject not the background. I’d love to see your assignments. “Why didn’t you get a picture of the kiss?” “The background was distracting.” “Where’s the picture of Miley with her tongue out in the studio?” “There was a stand behind her.” Congratulations, you’re the world’s worst shooter. On the upside your backgrounds are pristine.

              3. This is where you really stand out. You’re sticking to 1/4000 is enough for everyone eh? I bet you’re one of those guys who get angry at those of us with 1.4 lenses because “1.8 is enough”. Then you say there are a number of ways to solve every problem. No there’s aren’t. If you need a tele lens all the creativity in the world won’t turn your 24mm into an 800. You may be able to take a photo but not the now you want. This is why you suck (and you know you do).

              You think that gear is a luxury. It’s not. You use gear to enable your vision. The shooter decides the result and then uses the gear which facilitates it. You do it like an amateur in reverse. Zooming because you can. Shooting wide open for the sake of it. Your work must be appalling.

              As for your assumption about my finances you couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t make any decisions based on cost, and am very particular about getting the best. Find a comment from me complaining about anything being too expensive. You have my handle – go!

        • Aldo
      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        I checked my Lightroom catalog. Several of my favorite images were at ISO 100 and shutter speeds faster than 1/4000.

        The ONLY reason I decided that this is OK for me is that ISO 50 is literally a knob-turn away on the Dƒ.

      • Scott M.

        I use 1/6400 and 1/8000 all the time. On bright days it stops water and jumping whales and dolphins very nicely.
        On D800.

        • Sahaja

          This camera isn’t really designed for photographing marine wildlife.

          • tuga

            My old D2XS has 100 ISO and 1/8000 speed , i would love to update this camera sensor :), one of the best designed cameras , remember me a lot Nikon F4

            • fred

              The old Nikon D1 had 1/16,000th sec shutter speed. So we are now ALL missing out!
              Don’t forget the ‘old’ 1/500th sec flash-sync speed too. Yes we are still ALL missing out!
              Just we look at the specs (on paper),…. in real life – we adapt! ;)

      • Scott M.

        I use 1/6400 and 1/8000 all the time. On bright days it stops water and jumping whales and dolphins very nicely.
        On D800.

      • Mike Ver Sprill

        Wedding photographers or portrait photographers shooting wide open outdoors will tell they have maxed out the shutter (me included). Just because you dont use it doesnt mean it is rarely an issue…

        • Aldo

          I think a lot of photographers abuse shallow depth of field… I think it’s overused because if all other creativity fails… they have that nice bokeh to go with the frame.

      • Joel

        When one wants a shallow depth of field? IE. Regularly.

    • Ronan

      A few years ago, a revolutionary technology called ND filters were introduced to (professional) photographers. Give them a try!
      /sarcasm

      • http://ohm-image.net/ ohm image

        The only problem with ND filters and SLRs is that the affective view brightness is darkened. EVFs can compensate for this but SLRs cannot. I prefer to not use NDs to cover for slower maximum shutter speeds.

        • FredBear

          According to Roslett the Df screen is much brighter than the D800 to start with (links below).
          Bjorns comments make an interesting read.

          • Sahaja

            His comments are interesting – since, going by the viewfinder specifications, one would think manual focusing would be slightly more difficult than on the D800.

            Anyway I trust his opinion – so I’ll believe him until can try one myself.

            • FredBear

              I think many of the judgements of the Df are premature.
              Like you’ I’ll reserve my judgement until I have one in hand (hopefully in December when I’m ‘home’ and can go the local B&M store).
              Problem is I purchased a D600 last December. Couldn’t justify the extra cost over the D800 (funds not a problem). If the Df was available then, there’s no question I would have bought it rather than the D600 or D800. So we’ll see …

            • http://ohm-image.net/ ohm image

              I will test one out later this month as well. The eye point doesn’t look promising. I use the DK something optical magnifier with my D800, which works well enough though I’d much rather a native 85% finder. The Df finder doesn’t look as helpful. I hope somehow that it is as smaller than the D800 feels cramped.

      • Aldo

        some people are in thousands of dollars in nano crystal coated glass… they may not want to put 99 cent nd filters in front of them.

        • http://kyleclements.com/ Kyle Clements

          At first I was upset by the D600’s limit of 1/4000. Then I remembered that my older cameras that went to 1/8000 all had a base ISO of 200, while the newer ones camera’s are 100, so it works out the same.

          • Aldo

            good point…

          • NoMeJodas

            You may miss the 1/8000 in high-speed movement freeze applications though. And my D7000 had a base ISO of 100 and shutter speed limit of 1/8000.

          • albin

            I had 1/8000 on the F801 and F4.. and never used it.
            1/2000 seems plenty in most cases for me.
            Will I buy the DF? yes, eventually I will!

        • Andy Aungthwin

          You can get a decent CPL for $50 which will lose you 2 stops.

          I’ve looked at shots with and without a CPL on my D800 and I can’t tell them apart.

          And yes, they were on the holly trinity lenses.

          • Aldo

            There is a loss of optical quality but most people can’t tell or don’t care. Personally I don’t care or use ND filters much… but just wanted to put the idea on the table.

        • Half

          I am one of those who have thousands of dollars in glass. I don’t put 99 cent nd filters in front of them. I put $400 nd filters in front of them. It’s a bit of an asinine statement in an attempt to make a point. I quit using crappy filters about a month into learning how to shoot because I saw what they were doing to my shots. Do you feel that 99 cent filters are the only available option? If so, check out this thing called Google.

    • Sahaja

      It has a lower ISO which compensates for the slower maximum shutter speed.

      • Chris

        On the D4 the contrast is higher with ISO 80 and 50 (Lo 0.3–Lo 1). The D4 manual doesn’t recommend these settings. I guess they might do in a pinch. ND and other workarounds really have no place at this price point.

    • Jamo

      I have never ever needed 1/8000 shutter speed in 40 years of photography. Many of the cameras that offer it have base ISO of 160 or 200 instead of the 100 that Df has. You can also push Df down to ISO 50, giving you another stop of exposure in bright conditions.
      As for freezing extremely fast subject motion – well there are other cameras that are specifically designed for the specialist needs of sports and action, this one isn’t.

      • Mike Ver Sprill

        then you probably never shot a wedding couple outdoors @ 1.4 into the sun… I’ve maxed out my shutter in those situations

        • Joel

          Exactly

        • Hexagon Jr.

          Oh I’m glad ND filters got invented.

          • fred

            …and Polarizing filters too.

    • John M

      1/8000 at 200 ISO, the minimum ISO of the D700, D3, D3s etc, is no different for most uses from 1/4000 at 100 ISO.

      Does that make the D700, D3 and D3s unacceptable?

      • Daniel Shortt

        Ahhh someone with a brain! ;D

  • codeNsnap

    Dead on arrival…IMO it would sold much better if they had put the 51 AF system…they are so conservative…as if 6fps + 51 AF points would cripple the sales of D800 or D4..its amazing how they crippled D610/D600 and this..sad

    • One More Thought

      And do you know the engineering tradeoffs for that 51 pt AF? the impact on the size of the camera? Any other factors?

      It amazes me how many people think you can just pop in a different AF module without any ramifications on the rest of the camera engineering. It’s almost like opening up a hamburger bun and substituting a pickle for an onion.

      These cameras are complex instruments; you cannot make one change without it impacting something else. All engineering and design is tradeoff. Most of what people accuse Nikon of in intentional crippling is nonsense.

      Take a car for example. You wouldn’t treat it as a trival thing to add cylinders or horsepower to an engine; you would realize that this would impact many other factors.

      • codeNsnap

        When they can put it in the much smaller D7100 I don’t think its a engineering problem at all.

        • One More Thought

          The devil is in the details. The D7100 has a much smaller DX sensor, leaving more room for the AF module.

      • Lamar Lamb

        Market separation.

    • Sahaja

      So buy a D800 or D4 – or even a D7100.

      Nikon isn’t forcing anyone to buy this.

      Other people’s perceptions are different, and I expect it will sell well despite all the naysayers.

  • codeNsnap

    Dead on arrival…IMO it would sold much better if they had put the 51 AF system…they are so conservative…as if 6fps + 51 AF points would cripple the sales of D800 or D4..its amazing how they crippled D610/D600 and this..sad

    • Bonem

      I think otherwise. DOA because it was in between. This should never have tried to rival the D800 or D4. This should be sub-D7100. This should be a $1200 kit at best. I think the specs are way too high for a throwback.
      Then again, Nikon most likely is not producing these like they did the D800 so there will be no huge market loss. This is for the people that buy solid gold iPhones.

      • One More Thought

        Perhaps the Df is overpriced, but it seems absurd to say it should be priced at $1200. That shows no sense of reality in what it costs to make this camera and bring it to the market.

        Also, there is no solid gold iPhone. The gold colored iPhone is simply that; made with the same aluminum shell, only with a gold color (and it’s a very modest gold color).

        • Aldo

          agreed 1200 is way too low… it should be 1300

        • neversink

          Wrong. There is a diamond encrusted solid gold iPhone 5 out there with a black diamond going for $15.3 million. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417769,00.asp
          So obviously you don’t know the value of merchandise Why is $1200 any more ridiculous than $2700????

      • Joey jo jo

        $1200??? Are you kidding, it has the sensor and processor from nikons flagship camera, $1200 is a joke, anything said before or after that lacks credability

        • One More Thought

          Someone on another forum commented that if you order a replacement D4 sensor with processor it costs $1300 alone.

          • ronin

            The question is not what the sensor costs the consumer, it’s what the sensor costs Nikon. What can it be, $70? Just asking.

            As for waving around “the flagship camera” flag; that flagship price is not a yardstick handed down from on high about which all other models must gauge their prices for comparison. It’s just an arbitrary number by which the product marketing department hopes will sell enough models and make enough margin for that particular model.

            • Sahaja

              Sensor probably costs Nikon around $330 + their R&D costs

      • Bonem

        It shouldn’t have flagship specs is what I meant. It should have specs to set it at a $1200 ( or $1300) price range. A $3k throwback is a joke.

  • droll

    D800 was far from perfect technically, but much better than Df since the former trumps the latter in almost every category, except for the design. The only benefit you get owning a Df is you may look a little smarter than you actually are with a Df. But if you want to appear smarter, you will naturally carry a Fuji, which makes you look smarter still. And it IS smarter to carry a Fuji, because it is much lighter, cost-effective with superior design and better color rendition, superior lens offerings, etc.

    • One More Thought

      I like the Fuji’s, they are great cams…however, they cannot compare in build to a Nikon. To me they feel a bit cheap and hollow.

      I also would take issue with the assertion that Fuji has superior lens offerings. It is hard to compete with the lens catalogue of Nikon; only Canon has anything similar.

      Now the Fuji may be more cost effective…but I guarantee you that the Nikon has superior AF, build, low light performance, overall IQ, etc.

      In fact, it’s funny to read people touting the Fuji’s, when there is also this criticism of the Nikon AF…when in fact the Nikon Df Af will smoke any of the Fuji’s…

      • Jeff Hunter

        Maybe he was making a joke ;-)

      • mikeswitz

        Totally agree, and I own an x pro-1 and love it.

        • neversink

          but do you own a Nikon??

  • droll

    D800 was far from perfect technically, but much better than Df since the former trumps the latter in almost every category, except for the design. The only benefit you get owning a Df is you may look a little smarter than you actually are with a Df. But if you want to appear smarter, you will naturally carry a Fuji, which makes you look smarter still. And it IS smarter to carry a Fuji, because it is much lighter, cost-effective with superior design and better color rendition, superior lens offerings, etc.

  • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

    I’m really looking forward to getting my hands on a Df. If I’m smitten by it, I’ll buy one, if not, I’ll pass. It is that simple. The “debate” is BS.

    • Etr brony

      So true, and using a d4 sensor I’m sure it will take stunning images

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        Agreed. Exceptional IQ is a foregone conclusion.

        • Jordan Powder

          To me the IQ of the D4 is greatly exaggerated.
          Its good but hardly any better then D800.

          Not that many people that need to go beyond ISO 6400 all the time.

          • neversink

            I use both. I prefer the D4 slightly more, but the D800 iss a close second.

    • Mikael Risedal

      not really

    • predictor

      will be smitten, if you have money to throw….

    • http://www.mikekobal.com/blog mike kobal

      exactly my thoughts.
      looking at the crystal ball however, I can see a $500 rebate in the foreseeable future :)
      lets see how it handles, not sure about the +- dial on the wrong side…

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        Right.

        I find the (unlocked) compensation compensation dial in place of the (ridiculous in my opinion) PASM dial a better idea.

        You’re right tho, there will be, very shortly, a large rebate. Most likely after the first production run is finished. They probably didn’t want to repeat the six-month waiting period of the D800.

        I’m in product marketing too, and there is only one 100% effective brake pedal if you’re worried about demand vastly exceeding production capacity: THE PRICE.

        • http://www.mikekobal.com/blog mike kobal

          agree, that’s exactly where the +- belongs. the idea to loosen the grip of your (left) support hand to fiddle with the dial while shooting isn’t a good idea, everyone got that by now, fuji, sony, olympus, panasonic. PASM is set before you start shooting, +- gets constantly adjusted during a shoot

  • Beer Me

    I will buy a DF…when they are $900.

    • Aldo

      when it comes down to 900 it will be a retro indeed

      • Dpablo unfiltered

        Full retro is with a 58.

      • fred

        eBay in 4 years = Df $900.fred
        No one will want it, they would have dumped it for the next version, the one with longer-life shutter of D4 and 1/8000 sec shutter speed, built in Wi-fi and built in GPS. Of course the new model will need much bigger battery to run all that junk……..and video ON as an option in menu (because apparently no one can survive without video).
        ;)

  • Mark

    Does the DF have an anti-aliasing filter ?

    • Sahaja

      It has a relatively low pixel density – so I expect it does.

      Anyway, they would have said if it didn’t.

      • Mark

        Thanks – I thought I had read about it but maybe it was when the rumors were running…

  • Kevin

    hmmmm. interesting, this chart shows exactly what you’re trading off between Df and D800 — get a D800 or forgo a lot of the D800 features for a D4 sensor. whether the Df sensor is an upgrade or not, is up to the buyer to decide.

    • Sahaja

      Aside from the sensor, it depends a lot on which kind of handling you prefer – which is very subjective.

  • Arthur Tazo

    Aesthetics aside, on the basis of functionality, if you want to move to a a Df from a D800 and gain 1) lighter and 2) smaller body along with a better sensor in terms of 3) ISO capability and 4) better dynamic range across the ISO range, 5) longer battery life, YOUR COST WILL BE 1) loss of better AF system and restricted to concentrated AF points, 2) loss of resolution (could be reversed for folks for outdated systems), 3) loss of dynamic range at base ISO, 4) loss of shutter speed, 5) loss of video capabilities, 6) loss of usable DX mode, 7) loss of dual memory card slots, and 8) loss of built in commander flash mode.

    • Cuculain

      9) Price in Amazon Germany for D800 body: 2099,-€. Price for DF: 2990,-€ including retrolens for 289€…

      • Joel

        Could we have a price comparison with the D3200? The way 200 we be a car better deal if we’re making the comparison on price alone…

    • Read the FAQ

      I’m not so sure I understand this “moving” from one model to another. All of these cameras are different models of cameras from the same company. It’s not like choosing between an Audi and a BMW. It’s picking a model within the product inventory of the same company. Do you want an SUV, a crossover, a coupe, or a sedan? Those are different products and for different purposes but with the same brand name.

      Just like a lot of people have more than one type of automobile, a lot of people have more than one type of camera. The Df can be a worthwhile compliment to the D800. The Df, D4, D610, D800, etc., serve different purposes. But certainly if you can only afford to own one camera at a time, then there will always be compromises to be made. There’s just no way around that. Choose the camera that does the most important thing(s) that you feel you absolutely must prioritize in a camera, and go with that. Anything else becomes something you simply don’t need.

      I don’t think the Df should be even considered as a Swiss Army knife of Nikon DSLRs. It’s much more of a complimentary type of camera. And I’m assuming it will most likely not be purchased as someone’s only camera. This is much more of a specialty camera, and a secondary or tertiary camera.

    • Daniel Hine

      Surely you’d be GAINING a faster shutter speed?

  • eventhorizon

    Admn,

    According to the D800 manual, its eyepoint is 17mm.

  • Julian

    Here where I live in Sweden the Nikon Df is priced at $1100 more than the D800. What a bargain! (sarcasm intended).

    • Carl

      Same in Norway. Quite ridiculous, and it’s gonna be a tough one to sell if the price doesn’t come down.

      • Cuculain

        Same in Germany

    • French Fries

      Yes the Df is overpriced for the whole of Europe.
      Its even more expensive than the D800E by 500 euros if you buy the Df as a kit.

      Whoever is going to buy the Df in Europe must have been hit by a hammer on their had….

  • Cynog

    The problem the Df has at the moment in the UK is that the D800 is £1962, body only, while the Df is priced at £2,749 with non-optional 50mm lens. Someone will really have to love the styling or the D4 sensor to be tempted. I hope the price of the Df does come down to around the £2,000 point at some time. If so, I will buy one.

    • what_the_fox_says

      + don’t forget £160 cashback on D800

    • toby

      at that price, fly to the US and buy it

    • Degsy

      There is always those with more cash than brains

  • Jean

    I had a chance to play with the Nikon Df here in Paris for about 15 minutes. I had a silver version in my hands with the new 50mm. I was only able to review the pictures on the LCD as I was not allowed to use my own SD card but only the Nikon one inside. So these are my comments.

    I liked:
    – The weight and general feel of the camera in my hands.
    – The snappy precise AF
    – The viewfinder

    – The colors and image quality in general.

    I did not like:
    – The stupid ergonomics of the buttons on the top. I explain: to take a new picture with a different setting, if you want to use the top wheels you need: 1- take down the camera. 2- push button to release the wheel 3- change setting 4- put back the camera at the eye level. Useable only for picture where you have enough time to play with digital menus that you will have to learn anyway to shoot quickly when needed.

    – The wheels on the front.

    The Nikon representative was making the joke that it is the D4 of the “poor” as Nikkormat was the Nikon of the “poor” (3000$ is not for poor people of course).

    • OldeTimer

      Your Nikon rep does not know his history. The F had more features, but the Nikkormat had a better, more durable shutter, higher sync speed and was even more robust than the F. Ask any repair man who was working in that era.

      • desmo

        so you owned a Nikkormat
        (because you couldn’t afford an F)
        I guess that legendary performance and durability was why all the press guys carried Nikkormat’s
        LOL

        • Olde Timer

          I owned & used both Fs and Nikkormats thank you. Note the plural.

          • Dpablo unfiltered

            So did I. I think the F is better. Much smoother.

            • neversink

              Agree… I had a Nikkormat. It was not nearly as convenient to use as the F or F2. Nor was it as versatile or durable.

      • 103David

        Not really a fair nor even accurate comparison. They were different tools for different (if somewhat overlapping) tasks. Like looking in a toolbox and selecting a hammer vs a screwdriver. Much like the the eternal ongoing debate.
        In the day, you’d select “F” if you needed a motordrive, interchangeable prisms, interchangeable view screens, or any of the many accessories of the system that required removing the camera back. The price you paid for that was virtually no weather sealing, possibly a less robust body, a slower flash synch, and a much slower lens change (at least up until the FTN prism.). We press/combat type photographers despised the fact that you had to disassemble the camera to reload it. Many a rusty “F” back from being thrust into a sweaty armpit under a duress speed load, I can tell you.
        You selected a Nikkormat not so much for the cost but rather the quick reload, built-in meter, quick lens change, and possibly faster flash synch. Both cameras, really, were and remain amazingly durable and with a c&l, probably fully functional today, not counting the meters. By the way, the “F” shutters were in no way delicate, what with being titanium and all. If the users could keep their fat, filthy fingers from poking a hole, there was rarely a problem. I have personally field repaired quite a number of shutters that had fingers, pens, unmentionable objects thrust through them but the vast majority of the repairs were to the warm ‘n fuzzily remembered early FM2 high speed honey-comb shutters that were reputed to explode with a disparaging look.
        Kinda’ dispels the warm and fuzzy memories, doesn’t it?
        But here’s the deal…it was the absolute best there was in those days. Most photographers had and carried at least two bodies (myself 3 or 4) so the mix might commonly be an “F” plus 1 or 2 Nikkormats.

    • Read the FAQ

      Just curious, but isn’t all the info in the viewfinder? With analog cameras we got used to the location and directions of the top plate dials and could do them while holding the camera and not having to bring the top plate down to eye level. In other words we could use them blindfolded (I know exactly the direction of my shutter dial on my F3 and the LCD readout in the finder gives me the info.) And if one is using a non-G lens then clearly the aperture wheel isn’t needed. Even if the shutter dial is locked, you can still unlock with the fingers on one hand. And you can do the same with the ISO dial (and/or use the auto ISO function.)

      I’ve thought through the Df and its layout very carefully and feel that logically it’s not going to be any slower to use than any analog or any modern DSLR (after all you have both interface options available.)

      I’m surprised that you felt it wasn’t that functional. But thanks for posting your opinions. I’ll have to wait to get my hands on one.

    • Susan

      I (still) have a Nikkormat FTn and a F2 Photomic, and I prefer the Nikkormat 90% of the time.

      All other things being equal (the film, the Nikkor glass and a reasonably working shutter) the smaller and lighter Nikkormat is still my standard film camera carry.

      In the digital world, for anyone with a D4, the Df is an absolute no brainer as a smaller and lighter “casual” camera.

  • PoorJob

    How can you expect this comparison to be taken seriously when there is no mention of the neck straps?

  • Robert

    The spec comparison is for the brain but eventually the ‘buy’ decision is for ‘the feel’…

    • robert

      you see, im a different robert. how can it be 2 people posting udner the same name.

      yes, im the one whos pissed at nikon and said their revenue will be a bear. the 50 1.4 is a ripoff.

  • Gegeti

    Why you forgot “Exposure Metering Sensor”
    Df = 2,016-pixel RGB sensor 3D Color Matrix Metering II vs
    D 800 = 91,000-pixel RGB sensor 3D Color Matrix Metering IIIHuge difference. With D 800 it is exceptional to use the +/- button for correcting the exposition.

  • broxibear

    To those who are or were thinking of buying the DF, IF Nikon had taken the D800 body, changed nothing in it except switching the sensor for the D4 sensor, and kept the price the same as the DF price, would you buy that instead of the DF ?
    Is that the Nikon body people really want ?

    • Taildraggin

      The D800 is an annoying camera to operate. Coming from the D700 to the D800, everything is less smooth and slower in operation. I want the more simple, direct operation – a mini D4 or D700 w/D4 sensor&AF. A smaller “FE size package” would be nice, too, but it didn’t have to try to look like one…

      • Joel

        I’ve made the same upgrade a year ago but certainly havent had the same experience. In fact, the new AF switch makes swapping AF modes dramatically faster.

        • ShaoLynx

          Me too. Still have both. I prefer the new way by far. Don’t change that back, Nikon.

    • lean consumer

      yes! under 3K

    • Mansgame

      That’s all I ever wanted. A true D700 replacement. And no dust.

    • fjfjjj

      I would buy a D800 body with the D600 sensor for $3k (or with the D4 sensor if I didn’t already own a D700).

      • Lubos

        I would by a D610 with 91,000-pixel RGB sensor of D800 for $2500 no problem at all. :-) that would be the dream camera.

  • Mikael Risedal

    as usual I will try a Df for a test but just now my interest are more at Sony 36Mp and adapters, I have lenses from Canon, Nikon, Leica to investigate how they are on the same body, but as the camera nerd I am, I like Nikon Df concept

  • andy

    The specs comparison doesn’t cover materials of construction. In particular, the Df chassis is made from plastic. The D800’s is made from magnesium alloy.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      The Df is mostly metal except for the front panel. The D800 is better but the Df seems not to be a cheap plastic build.

      • Andy

        Sure. This picture shows the metal bits that are stuck to the outside of some plastic… It’s quite different to a full metal chassis. None the less, I’m sure it will be a very durable camera. And being made in Japan, no doubt a quality finished product.
        I don’t quite think this camera is for me but that’s ok. I’ll just wait till the next round of FF offerings from Nikon.
        By the sounds you’re going to get one. I look forward to reading your review. Above all, I hope this camera does put the focus (pardon the pun) back on tacking quality pictures… I’ve read enough spec sheets for the moment.

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  • stormwatch

    D800 is way better. Df is a waste of time.

  • Robert

    the sensor DF (D4) and 6fps in D800, is all that wedding photographers need to be happy with the Nikon.

  • NZPaul

    DF any day, don’t care about the pixel war, never heard anyone complain about the D4 sensor before. Ergonomics shcmerognomics, anyone who’s used a film camera knows where the dials are on top of the camera. I never moaned when my f501 had the buttons on the top.

    This is pure retro sexy photography. Oh btw I’ve never shot a single second of movie with my D7100, so that’s by the by too.

    One last thing, I have a suite of lens that are suddenly relevant again & a lovely cable release that’s itching to get some use again.

  • NZPaul

    DF any day, don’t care about the pixel war, never heard anyone complain about the D4 sensor before. Ergonomics shcmerognomics, anyone who’s used a film camera knows where the dials are on top of the camera. I never moaned when my f501 had the buttons on the top.

    This is pure retro sexy photography. Oh btw I’ve never shot a single second of movie with my D7100, so that’s by the by too.

    One last thing, I have a suite of lens that are suddenly relevant again & a lovely cable release that’s itching to get some use again.

    • Mansgame

      lol enjoy having to make annoying clicking sounds and not having video.

  • Alex

    it’s a nice camera, but overpriced, and i’d wish what that the top plate controls looked like that…

    • Alex

      sorry, wrong jpg :P

      • Aldo

        The fact that you have to pull the dial from manual to program wasn’t a good idea. The U1, U2 should be pretty much standard now. I never use the shooting banks.

        • Sandy Bartlett

          I haven’t taken a camera out of manual for years except when I hand it to the kids.

      • Lubos

        I do like this layout lot more then the original Nikon :-)

        • Vin

          Let us have that on the DX, DXf or the next 24mp FX for 50% off $2750..
          The Df is really growing on me. Can’t wait to see more reviews. And I am sorry, people you should be able to shoot just about anything with the Df, except videos.

      • malchick99

        IMO a retro-looking body does not really need to maintain those dials config, and that maintaining the basic retro body design is good enough. My suggestions to the top panel design:

        1. “Repositioned” mode dial will stay. Lower ISO dial should be replaced with 360-degree auxiliary function dial (S/CL/CH/ME/Q/ISO etc.);

        2. Shutter dial should be replaced with vertical LCD display with large icons/numbering for easy viewing, as well as D4-style illumination. Original small LCD should be reconfigured to be able to be customized to display just one parameter, eg. ISO;

        3. “Repositioned” EV dial will stay, but does not need to be lockable, so that “Easy Exposure Compensation” can be achieved.

        Anyway just my $0.02…

  • 103David

    For some reason…the D800 here reminds me of meeting my last blind date. She was some bigger than her picture and was a tough one to give a twirl.

  • Markus Gruber

    The Price tag is too high compared to the D800. I don’t think that the vintage look is it worth.
    What I would like are the dimentions. My D800e is quite large!
    Another nice Thing would be a second slot (the media type is not so important; nice would be two identical Slots – I can not understand what the D800 has one CF and one SD Slot; CF will be history in a few years)

    • jk

      actually many people simply prefer the smaller but better built body of the Df over the old dated look of plastic D800E,which I owned but never really like (I mean I like the sensor and the AF but its ergonomics design is not that good).

      • Markus Gruber

        better built? … depends!
        A big Advantage is the small Body – definitely!
        Some weeks ago I took a look on my old cameras:
        The F801 (N8008 in the US) was already huge compared to a FM2, but then, a few years later, the F100 was much bigger, heavier (and needed much more energy)
        Today, the D800 is even bigger and needs even more energy! Horrible! Also the lenses are getting bigger and bigger

  • jk

    wow, the D800E is huge in comparison , I much prefer the Df body but I cannot buy the Df cause it does not have proper video….sad.

  • optimaforever

    Exposure bracketing 1/3 to 3EV!!! Why can’t Nikon propose that on D800??? For HDRI skies this is a must!!!

  • Breakfromfb Brock

    all of you are retards.. The D800/E has a superior sensor compared to the D4.. and so does the D610/D600. Effectively all of these cameras have about half the advertised resolution.

  • Ernesto Quintero

    So Nikon marketing is keeping the shutter cycle life from possible buyers. Anyone know if Snowden got that bit of info from the NSA ?

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Might it be the same as the D610, 150,000?

      • Saffron Blaze

        Might be the D600!

  • Saffron Blaze

    Makes the D800 look like a bargain. Perhaps that was Nikon’s devious plan all along.

  • neversink

    Waiting for the D4 to Df comparison, since the sensors are the same, these two are the most important comparisons. D800 and D610 have different sensors….

  • mikeswitz

    Does anybody think this guy gives a shit about his 51effin focus points:

    http://framework.latimes.com/2013/11/04/a-lifetime-of-impressions-translated-to-film/

    • Saffron Blaze

      There is a reason all the flagship models have the 51 pt. The reason the Df doesn’t have the top of the line focusing system is to keep costs down and improve margins by charging a higher than warranted price.

      • mikeswitz

        I assume you didn’t watch the video, because your reply is completely beside the point. If your primary concern about tools is Nikon’s profit margin you are probably in the wrong business, assuming you are in the imaging business.

  • DoubleTalk

    According to Steve Huff:

    Many are bickering over the cost…but why? Let me point out a few key points;

    The $2800 Nikon Df houses the amazing D4 sensor. The D4 is $6000 and HUGE, HEAVY and BEASTLY.

    The Nikon Df is weather sealed in a solid magnesium body.

    The Nikon Df has a cool retro look and manual controls that MANY have been asking for.

    The low light capabilities of this camera will be about the best you can get in full frame. Shoot anywhere, anytime.

    It is attractive in an odd ugly kind of way, but me, I like it.

    It can accept all Nikon F lenses. Modern, AIS, Ai and pre Ai.

    16Mp means better low light, smaller files and plenty of resolution for 99% of needs.

    Worlds smallest full frame DSLR.

    The Viewfinder is in reality sufficient for manually focusing classic lenses.

    NO VIDEO! To me, this is a plus! There are many others that do video well, we do not need it in this camera. It represents PHOTOGRAPHY.

    • malchick743

      Looking at the press photos, the Df does not seem to have a solid alloy body but instead retains the body design of the D600/610 ie. top/bottom/rear alloy but plastic mirror box area.

  • jimbocurtis

    anyone want to buy my D800? :D

    I have waited a long time for something laid out like this.

    I cannot find anywhere in the specs if the Df has an intervalometer. I have read that it doesn’t make time-lapse, tho.

    I have pre-ordered this and am 1st in line for a black one at the same small shop where I got my D800 on the first day they were available. I love the D800 but i’d love it to lose some weight.

    • Read the FAQ

      Look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JokHDKECffE&feature=c4-overview&list=UU4UfjPMKNdEVxu6ggLCP50w
      at around 15:04. There is an interval timer shooting set up (intervalometer) in the menu.

      • jimbocurtis

        excellent- thanks for finding that video and posting it!

    • Neopulse

      How much will it be going for and what will it include?

      • jimbocurtis

        I have a condition 9 (out of 10) D800 body, 35k shots on it, with warranty for another 1.5 years. also, grip, batteries, new LCD cover, MC-30 cord and some lenses for sale: 85mm 1.8G, 180mm 2.8D, 24-85mm 2.8/4. Open to price discussion.

        • Neopulse

          That is pretty sweet. If I wasn’t saving up for an MF body I would definitely get this.

          • jimbocurtis

            I will part my kit out, probably on ebay, unless someone wants to deal directly with me on this. Cheers- and good luck to all of us camera fans!

  • R!

    BEST DEAL X MAS PRESENTS:
    D600 :1300 euros!!!!
    refurbished:AROUND 1000euros!!!!!

    • R!

      AMAZON Occasion grade A Nikon check up refurbished .

      • R!

        “Tout vient a point,a qui sait attendre”
        “Everything comes right,when you know how to wait”

        Jean de la fontaine.

  • Lars Steenhoff

    Does the Nikon DF have Clean HDMI out?
    Then I could use it for video too

  • http://richardcromptonphotography.com/ RichMonster

    It still looks like a great camera to me apart from the current RRP. I’ll be giving it a few months before my order is placed and hopeful it will then be at a price that is a bit more reasonable for its feature spec. My main problem is my lack of older glass! No use having a lightweight body and still putting a 24-70 2.8 on the front expecting it to be a compact package. Ebay here I come!

  • Clint

    Too bad about the limit of 1/4000 sec shutter speed…..not the best with fast lenses in lots of light…that said it looks like a pretty cool camera, albeit greatly overpriced.

  • Bret M

    It’s a shame there’s no video mode, I’d imagine that 16mp sensor would do much better with noise than my D800’s 36mp. Still, the price does not match up with the specs really, no denying that.

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