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Nikkor 800mm f/5.6 lens trivia by Moose Peterson

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Some interesting trivia on the $18,000 Nikkor 800mm f/5.6 lens by Moose Peterson:

Drool and enjoy!

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  • JKOJ

    Dude has deep pockets.

    • Mouse trap

      The dude is in Nikon’s pocket.

  • boris

    Now We Get Moose And Squirrel.

  • anatoly

    Now I know why it is so expensive – Moose Peterson comes with the lens!
    He is not cheap1

  • Aldo

    Interesting video. I like how he didn’t mention that a lot of us don’t have use for such focal length as one of the reasons why we won’t own one.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      If I had it, I would find a use :))

      • Aldo

        The best use I would find is to sell it lol

        • Matthew Fleisher

          Hope it doesn’t depreciate like a new car.

    • patto01

      I don’t know; if you didn’t have time to take a shower before shooting one of your weddings, it might just save the day!

      • patto01

        Almost forgot: this video was shot for his website which is mostly frequented by wildlife photographers, most of which could probably find a use for it.

        • Aldo

          Good point

    • bgbs

      Dudes just buy Nikon 1 with an adapter, put your 400mm on it, and now you got your 1000 focal length, and you can shoot at 60fps for second. Beat that.

      • patto01

        Yeah. Quality is way overrated!

      • Aldo

        Or buy a prius instead of a ferrari… since you are allowed on the carpool lane you’d be traveling much faster than the ferrari stuck in rush hour traffic.

      • groucher

        I’m using the 300mm f4 with a V1 which gives 810mm equiv. f4 and 60 fps. Autofocus speed is similar to my D800. The results are incredible for such a low priced setup (400 GBP) – I can print up to about A3 with no problem.

    • Michael Sloan

      Shoot small skittish birds and you will take all the millimeters you can get! I’ve shot finches with a 400mm f/2.8 and TC1.4 and TC2 from eight to ten feet away, and still had to crop the images from my D4. I’m waiting for Nikon to release the next best thing to a teleconverter, the D400. :-) Nobody mentioned it yet in this thread, I couldn’t resist.

  • Anonymous Coward

    I saw USA serial number 1 in person in Colorado Springs last month. It’s owned by an enthusiast in Denver. Doesn’t feel near as heavy as you think it is.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I’ve seen this lens too :)

      • Anto de Chav

        I bought one… its ridiculously good.. sold an EF800 to get it..

      • Anonymous Cowarx

        Small world, eh?

  • Ian Dangerzone

    For a guy shooting with a $30000 wildlife kit, I’m not terribly overwhelmed by his shots.

    • patto01

      I don’t believe he was talking about his shots…

    • AM

      I don’t think he cares about how you feel about his shots.

      • Ian Dangerzone

        Probably true! Typically, though, when I see wildlife shooters with rigs that exceed a wal-mart employee’s annual salary, I expect pretty rarefied results from their website galleries, especially when I know amateurs/semi-pros who produce far superior photographs with rigs that cost half, or a third as much. Whether the photographer is different to my comments doesn’t really speak to the observation that you can’t buy talent.

        • Aldo

          U just jelly

        • twofeet

          The amateur/semi-pros you know are more talented than Moose Peterson. Got it.

          • patto01

            And Ian is a lot more talented than his amateur/semi-pro friends…

            • Ian Dangerzone

              wow, thanks!

            • patto01

              You’re welcome! A good sense of humor covers a multitude of sins. ;-)

            • Steve Large

              Some people like my stuff and some don’t. Thanks for the compliments anyway. I very seldom use a flash or extra lght especially with owls. Who the hell are you guys anyway? Why don’t you use your real names?

            • patto01

              I don’t think it’s a matter of liking your stuff or not. Some of it is really good, some not as much. That’s normal and to be expected. I can’t speak for anyone else but, in my case, I’m trying to give an objective opinion in the hopes of helping you. I understand not wanting to use a flash all the time and, a lot of times, not knowing it would have helped until after the fact.
              By the way, the comment concerning Ian was made tongue-in-cheek and before I visited your site. You really do have a lot of good photos; much better than anything I’ve done but you don’t have to be a chef to appreciate cooking or know the lasagna needs a little more salt…
              Again, I don’t know about anyone else but I am using my real first name (it’s a romaji spelling of the way my Japanese wife and her family pronounces it); I append the “01″ out of habit due to sites that require a minimum number of characters. I don’t add my last name because it gets misspelled so often it’s not worth the trouble. As for your first question, I’m nobody.

            • Aldo

              People don’t use their real names because they like to remain anonymous for many reasons. This is why the most intelligent and bravest of men are found only online. I thought everyone knew this.

            • Shutterdancer

              Just slipped this in,in response to no one in particular …sorry that the ball landed on you Aldo ;-)……Although I won’t reveal my full name for fear of being stoned to death as a charlatan,I offer up my meager stream for critique and insult by the no doubt brilliant photographers who post to each and every thread on Nikon Rumors ;-)

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/shutterdancer/

          • Ian Dangerzone

            Mostly I’m thinking about a semi-pro, Steve Large (larges.ca), who is one of the guys who got me into photography when I was training at his dojang, and yeah, I consider him a better bird photographer than Moose (who, to be frank, I’ve never heard of before today; I pay more attention to macro and street photography). He does it on the side, having a full time job and a gig as a tae kwon do instructor to boot.

            • patto01

              He has some pretty good stuff but you might want to tell him to think about using some lighting at times. Some of his bird/wildlife shots are kinda flat.

        • MyrddinWilt

          Well maybe WallMart should pay their employees more. I don’t shop there because I don’t want to support a company that extracts billions of dollars in subsidies from the taxpayer by having us make up the difference between what they pay and a living wage. The Walton family are the biggest welfare spongers in the country. Horrible, horrible people.

          As for the lens thing, to take good wildlife shots you get in close rather than using a long lens.

          At that focal length you don’t need a particularly fast lens to get shallow depth of field anyway. And a tripod is going to be essential regardless.

          • patto01

            If Walmart paid their employees more, their prices would go up and low income people wouldn’t have the same buying power they currently enjoy. Also, if they paid their employees more, they would, justifiably, require more experience/skills than they currently do and a lot of those people you feel are underpaid wouldn’t have a job in the first place.
            Getting back to the purpose of this blog, getting in close isn’t always practical for the photographer or good for the subject.

            • Jorge

              Who cares? I say RAZE each and every Walmart and run them out of town(s). I’m 56 and have NEVER, EVER entered a Walmart, or a K-Mart. The “lowest” i go is a Target — and that’s barely tolerable.

            • patto01

              Ah! So you don’t really care about people with less money than you. You just like to complain about people who have more to make up for being the last one picked when choosing teams in gym class.
              You’re a sad, pathetic little man…

            • Jorge

              Who’s complaining? I’m not little, I’m not pathetic. I’m stating the fact I don’t shop at Walmart, or Kmarts. Hey, if you shop there, or probably work there, more power to you. I’m not lucky, I busted my Butt to move up in the world and NOT have to shop at shitholes. I don’t begrudge people that do, I just don’t.
              I was also DEF. NOT the last one picked in sports. I wasn’t the first, but def. not the last. Why must you associate wealth with physical prowess/sports ability. Maybe it’s you who is pathetic and little in oh so many ways.
              And I don’t begrudge anyone who has more than me. If you are talking about my comments about ol’ Moose, he is an A$$. Always was, always will be.
              And quite a few folks have more money than me little man so bite it.

            • patto01

              Since you’re incapable of following logic on your own, let me walk you through it:
              - You have no problem with me shopping or working there but you want it razed to the ground!?
              - I didn’t speculate as to whether you attained whatever money you have through luck or hard work. Given your obvious lack of education, I would assume you came from poverty and worked your way up…
              - Your original post would lead us to believe that your position regarding Walmart is concern for poor people who you clearly don’t care about.
              - You don’t begrudge people who have more than you (and I’m referring to your comments regarding the Waltons, not Moose) but your attitudes belie that.
              - My comments regarding being picked last are more of a generalization that I’ve come to through a lot of years worth of encounters with people like you. Your personality could just as easily be a result of any number of other social deficiencies.
              - and lastly, my final comment was a quote from the movie, “Toy Story,” and intended to denote sympathy for the bitterness that defines you, in the same way that it consumed “Woody,” from the movie.
              “bite it?” Really??

            • Jorge

              Wow. Lack of education now. Damn you really are covering all your pathetic little bases… I have a Masters. I’m the Director of IT at a NYC corporation. Mmm And yes, came to this country after being kicked out of Cuba when I was 5. We left four homes, and our wonderful maids and butlers to come to this great country with $30.00 in my dads pocket. And yes, my parents worked very hard as have I. So while you go off to your meaningless job, I am off to enjoy my summer home on the Maine coast in a few hours.
              You don’t know me, so please don’t assume you do. And I’m not a totally heartless a-hole. I contribute a minimum of 20k a year to various charities to HELP people — do you? Oh wait, you can’t… That’s your annual salary.

            • patto01

              That’s amazing. With all your presumed achievements, you’re still insecure. Maybe you should try yoga or Tai Chi. I hear photography can be relaxing…

          • Shutterdancer

            I think that patto01 said it best MyrddinWilt…..you can’t always get close and depending on the critter you might not want to,even if you could.
            If getting close was that easy,why wouldn’t all of the pros be using a 50mm ;-)
            Just one example…have you ever tried getting close to a pileated woodpecker?
            And seeing how this thread is about Moose…he was just named as a Nikon US Ambassador,along with 15 other outstanding photographers,and love him or hate him….his lifetime body of work speaks for itself!

      • Barney Rubble

        After meeting Moose I can assure you he doesn’t care….

    • Greg Heller

      I think most of them are pretty good except he has a propensity to make his images dark as in brightness, Just an observation, not a knock. he does get $1650 for any 24×30 print and $275 for an 8×10.

      • patto01

        I went to one of his talks and he does that on purpose to make them look sharper or some such reason. Personally, I don’t care for that look but it’s working for him.

        • Greg Heller

          You make them dark enough and you can’t tell whether they are sharp or not, maybe that’s what he meant. Just kidding Moose

      • D600 Owner

        he under expose by one stop. doubles the shutter without raising ISO. thats why they are dark. works well at close range with ttl flash overpowered by one stop to equal it out.

        • A. Lurker

          Probably copied that from Annie Liebowitz.

          • D600 Owner

            no. moose peterson

      • Jorge

        +10000. I’ve always claimed Moose’s crap (err images) are way too dark for my taste.

        • Derek

          Moose is the master at under-exposing! He also has many shots with over-blown skies. For someone who makes a living from photography he should be much better.

    • Jeff

      I agree.

    • Dan Howell

      Forget MP. Look at a truly good photographer like National Geographic photographer Peter Essick who’s work is as astounding as Moose’s ego is overflowing. Makes MP’s gallery series look like local chamber-of-commerce photo contest 2nd place quality in comparison.

      • patto01

        Maybe I didn’t browse long enough but I didn’t see anything on his website, obviously better than Moose’s stuff. Personally, I don’t think either of their photos are great but that’s not really the point of the video, is it?
        For some really impressive wildlife photos, go to http://www.alaskaphotographics.com/ even though he shoots with Canon gear ;-)

    • Chris Snyder

      Bear in mind, in regards to his wildlife photography, what he shoots is what you get; no post processing like the majority of us do.

      • patto01

        Bulls**t! He pp’s just like everyone else. This, I know for a fact!

      • Derek

        Are you serious Chris. More than half of his shots are HDR.

        • Chris Snyder

          His landscape and aviation work, sure, but not wildlife. There isn’t much dynamic range in it to begin with, much less HDR

    • Jorge

      Moose is a blowhard. He’s not that impressive at all. let it go and move on citizen

  • twoomy

    Mmmm-kay?

  • 18kwow

    $18 K holy crap.

    • Anto de Chav

      It costs more in Europe and Australia..

      • Neopulse

        Here in Argentina it’s double if not more :-S

        • Beaupeep

          Street prices in India are more or less the same as in the US. With the local currency tanking, some camera sell for even less. For e.g. a D4 at US$ 5100. ;)

          • Neopulse

            Still, here for example they take the dollar “officially” $1 USD = ~5.51 Argentinean pesos and outside they take ~10 pesos for every US dollar. Items that are sold here are sold around the american equivalent price x2 always. Since here also importation of outside goods is banned, so anything that is sold here is kinda rare and expensive as hell.

            • Beaupeep

              The new 800mm can be had for street prices equal to between US $18,114-19,180 at some retailers in India . Just checked a few hours ago before close of business on Tues 8/20. But of course I can’t afford to buy one. :)

            • Neopulse

              Remind me to visit India then to get one…. after I win the lotto.

        • KnightPhoto

          Here in Canada it’s less, $16,999 ;-)

  • Jeroen Wijnands

    Moose is a nice guy but apparently quite overpaid.

    • patto01

      Not really. If you were an over-the-road truck driver, you would expect to spend tens of thousands of dollars for a truck! Unless you want to work for someone else, you have to spend money to make money.

      • Matthew Fleisher

        Trucks run 6 figures, easy.

        • patto01

          Thanks. I thought they might but was too lazy to look it up.

  • MO

    In stock at Ace Photo in Ashburn, VA

  • neversink

    A bit presumptious of him stating that I won’t ever own one of these,,,,!!

    • patto01

      I’m not going to re-watch it to verify but I’m pretty sure he said something like, ‘most of you’ or something to that effect. In the unedited version, on his website, he says, “…except, of course, for neversink…” ;-)

    • Rabi Abonour

      He said “most people.” That’s objectively true.

  • Joseph Li

    Would be nice if he can post some sample shots with the 1000mm..rather than just talking about it. Also, we have no use for 1000mm, not necessarily we cant afford it. 18k is not a big investment in businesses at all, in fact, photography is one of the cheapest business to startup that I know

  • bgbs

    If Moose has a son, he’s just got $18K more of the inheritance.

    • Greg Heller

      He does have a son, about in the late 20′s early 30′s

      • Goose Beterson

        His photos are a joke.

        • patto01

          And he’s the one who’s laughing; all the way to the bank!

  • Barney Rubble

    I’ve met Moose and taken one of his workshops. He’s possibily one of the most arrogant people I’ve met in my life. He had no problem cashing the checks of the attendees, but he sure didn’t like mixing and mingling with them. I had saved a long time to have the money to attend his workshop and was so disappointed afterwards I almost put my camera down. I get that he’s a top notch photog and I can only hope to one day take shots like he does, but you don’t have to make people feel stupid because they don’t have the experience or skill that you do.
    Steve Simon, Joe McNally, Don Toothaker….Those are people to take classes with…..They engergize me and make me want to be a better photog.

    • patto01

      That wasn’t my experience at all. I spoke to him after a session and he was patient, cordial, and helpful. He may not be as gregarious as some others, and that could possibly come across as arrogant, but it’s not the same thing.
      I’m not a bit arrogant (I think) but I’m not especially patient and sometimes that’s off-putting to others.

      • Barney Rubble

        I can site examples of he rude he was….He bordered on being a jerk. There were several other attendees who felt the same way that I did. It wasn’t isolated to just me. This wasn’t a misunderstanding or misinterpretation, he was a pompous a$$ that seemed like he regretted being at the workshop in the first place. One attendee actually stated to him during a review session….”I didn’t pay money to be spoken down to and demeaned.” Several other attendees agreed in unison.

        Moose didn’t impress me as an instructor/leader of a workshop. I have attended easily 30-40 photog workshops in the last 6-7yrs, the one with Moose was by far the most disappointing. I would never attend anything run by Moose again.

        • patto01

          Wow! Maybe he was having a bad day, not that that would be an excuse.
          On a side note, 30-40 in 6-7 years? Have they all been on nature/wildlife? I watch a lot of video tutorials but I couldn’t imagine going to that many workshops. The only reason I went to the one is it was sponsored by Epson and so was pretty inexpensive and I didn’t have far to travel.

          • Barney Rubble

            I attend a lot of one day workshops that are local to New England. I go as much now for the social aspect as I do for the learning aspect. I am happy with the gear I have….I believe spending time with other quality photogs is just as important as gear. No way you get from a YouTube what you get from being out actually taking the shots.

            • patto01

              Actually, I watch a lot of Kelby Training, Lynda.com, etal. videos.
              I enjoy talking to people but when I’m shooting, I’m in the “zone” and not really aware of anyone around me. In particular, when shooting wildlife I never want anyone else around. I once watched a video of about 20 people photographing a tame mountain lion being put through its paces by a trainer and thought that would drive me crazy! Really, for me, the act of shooting is more important than the resulting photo. When I was shooting the Northern Lights, outside of Fairbanks, I went off by myself rather than stay with the crowd by the yurt.

        • Shutterdancer

          Barney,no photographer is going to be able to pass on their talent to you through a workshop…you either have the eye and the talent,or you don’t.
          Might I suggest that you put that workshop money into the best gear that you can buy for the job that you need to do,and the rest into travel destinations where the best photographic opportunities exist.Then shoot,shoot,shoot,and shoot some more.

          • Dave

            “you either have the eye and the talent,or you don’t.”

            That is a HUGE over generalization. If you think you are a good photographer because you are born that way, you need some work on your ego.

            • Shutterdancer

              Of course no one is born a great photographer Dave…..didn’t say that! My point is that there are enough free tutorials on the web these days to get you started down the right path.After that,it’s up to the individual to get as good as they want to be or at least as good as their talent will take them…you will agree that it takes talent to be outstanding,right?.Just having a huge ego won’t get you the shot ;-)
              I doubt that the best photographers got that way by taking workshops.
              Lots of photographers make the majority of their income by hosting workshops….why should anyone pay them for something that you can learn on your own for free?

            • Dave

              You actually DID say that, and that is the only reason I replied. You said you either have it or you don’t. You can’t backpedal enough to erase that comment. Part of any artistic expression may come from a natural tendency (right brain/ left brain) toward visual media. There are so many other things that help us create artistic pieces. Part of it may be learning basic principles, I think a lot of it involves copying other artists. Like it or not, originality is rare. Many, if not most photography today must tip its hat to a previous artists work in some way. I think it is a failed train of thought that says: “It is good because I produced it, I have a gift for photography, I am different.” Jesus, every damn iPhone photographer thinks that! As a disclaimer I would like to mention that I am particularly perturbed at people that think they are born with any kind of gift that the common man can never understand. This includes psychics, life coaches, evangelists, and any artist that thinks they were touched by some divine hand.

            • Shutterdancer

              LOL Dave….I stand by my statement…..you can study till the cows come home,and you may get better….but on average, you probably won’t be great!….you might not stand out…..you might not rise to the top!.Just because you have an iPhone,…you pop on a few instagram filters and you think that you can hang with the best,doesn’t make it so.If you truly don’t believe that we are all born with certain innate talents,…..then why are we not ALL great artists in our chosen artistic genera.Like I said….you either have talent,or you don’t!………I do believe that your talent lies in the debate ;-)

            • Derek

              Lets look at the “rule of thirds”. My brother was taught that in a photography class. However, I have been doing that from the first moment I picked up a camera in 2007, without any teaching or reading. The first time I had even heard of “rule of thirds” was last year by my brother. So Dave and Shutterdancer are both right and wrong. And Dave, I am possibly the most humble person in the USA.

            • Dave

              The rule of thirds is one of my favorite rules to break. And if you are saying: “I am possibly the most humble person in the USA” You probably aren’t.

          • Barney Rubble

            ShutterDancer, I never said expected to magically grab someone’s talent just from attending a class or workshop. That wasn’t the point of my post, my post was simply to say Moose was an arrogant, pompous a$$ when I was around him for a week. While he knows not everyone will ever own an 800mm lens he acts like everyone should spend like his does on his profession though most of us in the workshop were doing it as a hobby. A serious hobby, but a hobby nonetheless.

            I attend a lot of one day workshops that are local to New England. I go as much now for the social aspect as I do for the learning aspect. I am happy with the gear I have….I believe spending time with other quality photogs is just as important as gear.

        • John

          “30-40 photog workshops in the last 6-7 years…”
          Hmm… Sounds like a personal issue.

    • Moose Trap

      Wrong there.
      Dear ol Moose ain’t no top notch photog, but he is the #1 Nikon sycophant.

      • Derek

        He is a great Nikon Salesman!

    • A. Lurker

      “…and I can only hope to one day take shots like he does,…”

      Probably cheaper to just buy some of his then, huh?

    • Smudger

      It should have been clear enough what to expect at a Moose workshop just from looking at his website!
      Moose’s aviation stuff is quite good and pretty competent, but his wildlife work is mostly just long lens snapshots. And his subjects are often miss-identified Still he’s built a carrer on it (and on telling the gullible how great his work is!!) so good luck to him.

    • Jorge

      He is NOT top notch. Just a paid yes man shill for Nikon.
      That’s it. I wouldn’t pay a f*cking dime to take his workshop, or anyone else’s for that matter.

    • Derek

      Barney I have met several photographers in the field and they all give me the same impression that Moose give you. Pretty much everyone I meet period is a jerk. We live in a very competitive time where everyone is trying to be the best or thinks they are best. Taking a workshop is something that has never crossed my mind. I have never even read a book on the subject. I have had a blast learning everything on my own.

  • Dweeb

    Do you have to throw out the crappy Nikon tripod collar and buy a RRS one?

    • Brian

      Yes!!! The native foot sucks!

    • fjfjjj

      Probably. Also, shame on Nikon if they really can’t replace a lost or damaged teleconverter for this lens.

  • Loco

    WOW Moose you are one arrogant person you act like no one can afford this 800mm lens, sorry to break your B**S but i own 2 of this lenses.. plus i know a 14yr old kid that can take better photos than you and he is only been taking photos for 4years…

    • patto01

      You really took that away from the video? Anyway, can I borrow your spare 800mm sometime? I can’t afford one.

      • Loco

        This Moose guy acts like he is the best photographer in the world he is ok but not the best, he needs to wake up and smell his Nikon’s because if he keep talking the way he talks to the people who pay for his workshops he is going to loose a lot of money. and the Nikon endorsements if nikon is endorsing him. and about the spare 800mm sorry but is out on an assignment with one of my Photog’s

        • Matthew Fleisher

          You hiring?

          • Loco

            no, sorry i am fully staff.

    • robert

      2 800mm lenses huh?

      • fjfjjj

        “Yeah, he just thought you’d want to know, even though you’ll never be able to afford one.” –Moose

      • fjfjjj

        “Yeah, he just thought you’d want to know, even though you’ll never be able to afford one.” –Moose

  • Randy

    seems to have changed in the past couple of years. I used to read all he wrote and bought several of his books and felt I gained a lot from him. But for some time he appears to approve all things Nikon as “tack sharp” when I myself are a Nikon user/collector with 40 odd lenses and 12 camera bodies will be the first to tell you they are not all perfect or “tack sharp”. For some time now I just can’t put faith in what he says about equipment. It’s almost like he is given the equipment, or at least discounted, and is obligated to say it is “tack sharp”. I’m sure the 800 is a great lens but I will use my 600VR until Nikon comes out with a new 600 VR with the technology used in the 800 and then make a decision. To me a 600 F4 is a lot more useful especially with extenders.

  • Mike the Knife

    Peterson is just loud mouth arrogant F***! He thinks that he is so good! But he ain’t that good! I’ve met him and know several of people who have met him and think that he is just arrogant, talking down, just because we do not have the same top notch gear!

  • Jeff

    Never heard of Moose before. His photos are very underwhelming. I’m astonished he’s able to make money hosting workshops given his talent level.

    • Jorge

      Here Here!

  • Jeremy

    Don’t watch with Youtube captions… it gets really confusing :S (at work)

  • Brian

    I have the lens. It is amazing. Never been a fan of Moose’s shots. Guy claims he’s not an eyeball photographer but goes 800mm.

  • robert

    I know of Moose from years back through people talking about him from nikonians (fuck you brian tilley racist fuck). I think JRP and BO suck his dick btw.

    but his reviews were good and looking at his website his photos are on a high level imo. not sure why others dont think so. but what the hell do I know im not a nature photog. it just seems pleasing to my eye aesthetically wise.

    the fact hes an arrogant douchebag..mmm maybe dont know, but its doesnt matter. but like Krockwell can shoot with top notch lenses he has available to him and his pictures arent a high level IMO.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Your breath must be nasty has hell.

  • McGraffix

    Is this perchance some photographers’ equivalent of seeing who has the largest? Picture (!) the scene, after a friendly shoot-out in that nature reserve, in the local hangout, with the photographers all taking a piss together, still wearing their gear and glancing to the side, then looking down…

    OT: it sounds like the spoken version of Nikon’s spec sheet for the lens, insterspersed with “Mwokay”‘s… Aside from the fact that the lens is, of course, useful – for that price as would a car to get you to your shoot, where you can even take off a couple of thousand and buy yourself a slightly shorter lens and wheels – this probably is also just a bit of gear-exhibitionism :0

  • Mr. Mamiya

    Does anybody know if Nikon accepts family cars as trade-in for lenses?

  • Neil

    All these people claiming that Moose isn’t very good should show their own portfolios for comparison.

    • Brian

      kushnerphoto.com or

      flickr.com/bkushner

      • patto01

        Several really nice shots but a few I wouldn’t have posted. I’ve noticed that a lot of famous photographers, who’ve been shooting for years, don’t really post as many photos as you’d think. I wonder if they only post what they consider to be their best or some other reason!?

      • Neil

        Certainly you have some very nice shots there. And no disrespect to you at all but I don’t see those as being significantly better than what I’ve seen posted by Moose. You have some wonderful shots there.

        Some photogs, like Thom Hogan have stated they only post their B material and keep the best for clients and sales. It would be interesting to compare their bests vs our best. Surely some amateurs are better but how many are consistently better with the same material?

        • Brian

          Well first off I’m amateur. I post most of the stuff I think is decent and sometimes I’ll post not so great if it’s a subject I haven’t seen. Only out to please myself. My problem with Moose’s shots is the 80% surrounding and 20% (if that) subject. I like to see the subject I’m shooting.For me 80% lake and 20% bird near lake doesn’t cut it. I never said I was better then anyone, simply stated I didn’t think Moose was so great. I too have heard that theory about not posting your best stuff, then a few years ago I laid out $40 for Moose’s Captured book and the images in there were the same, Also not great printing quality either. Others reviewed it bad. So, if he sold a book for $40 and intentionally put bad pictures in there then that’s not cool either. Then there is the whole arrogance thing I’ve witnessed firsthand. I used to work in the music biz, someone once said to me it’s 50% talent and 50% knowing what to do with it. That’s why the very best singers and players usually don’t sell that many records. Moose has marketed himself through the roof. It paid off but that doesn’t make him the best. Making people think you are the best is another story.

          • Michael Sloan

            Brian, I visited both your image sites and that of Moose. I find you do a much better job of bringing the subject closer to the viewer AND you managed to capture peak action in several images. A VERY difficult thing to do. Kudos to your work, keep it up!

            • Brian

              Thanks Michael.

        • grant torres

          Wow! Showing “own portfolios for comparison” is pretty brave, since the gist of the thread is that Moose is not “that good”! I agree with Neil’s comments too, and IMO unrealistic HDRs and tonemapping is kinda kitsch!

          • Michael Sloan

            If one can’t stand behind the images he/she makes and post them for all to see in a forum like this, they might as well switch hobbies/professions. I look forward to feedback, positive or negative. But if negative, please be specific. I do like constructive criticism, as it can only make me better.
            Cheers!

    • Michael Sloan

      http://www.novumlucis.com/
      flickr.com/photos/novumlucis

  • fjfjjj

    He thinks the electromagnetic aperture control gives the lens edge-to-edge sharpness? Good lord.

    • McGraffix

      Sure it does!
      It electro-magnetically pushes and shoves misbehaving, unsharp pixels into line, or, in this case, in the corners, where they belong.

      It also has a special lens element that automatically makes sure you have the perfect composition and then sends it off to various competitions via the built-in micro satellite tranceiver.
      Strange that he forgot to mention that….

    • Michael Sloan

      +1, I wondered about that too. I suppose for $18K your going to get top notch glass that is already VERY sharp edge to edge. Not to mention, you are starting at f/5.6, so you probably don’t get much falloff in the corners either.

  • LVR 4 U

    Wow, so many comments about the Moose!! I took my first workshop with him in 2006. I was amazed to see how aggressively he was selling stuff from his sponsors. I have never seen any hard sell like that before, let alone at a workshop. This workshop had 40 to 50 people and it is amazing to me that despite how lousy they are, folks like us keep on giving up our time and $$$ to attend. His workshop was the worst I have ever attended and I use my experience with that one (on the Oregon coast) as a measure of how poor workshops are/can be.
    I would not believe a word this guys says: he is in it for the $$$ and to satisfy his sponsors. I also agree that his pictures are pedestrian at best, he should not be thought of as one of the current “masters” of wildlife/landscape photography.

    • Jorge

      Agreed! I’ve been saying that for years!
      Wow…

    • Seattle Charlie

      I was at the same workshop on the coast and couldn’t agree more. His “limit” on participants was thrown out and he was more interested in getting his shots rather than helping others. I’ve attended several other workshops with multiple instructors and have never been as disappointed as I was with that one. From making everyone submit their critiques on his Lexar drives to shilling Nik software, Epson printers and Wacom tablets pushed the event over the edge.

      I don’t watch his Kelby videos because I’m so turned off by used car salesman pitch. Fortunately, there are a lot more “giving” people willing to share their talent helping me to get great pictures while learning the craft.

  • Allan Smith

    Seems to be a lot of anger in the photographic community…

    • patto01

      A lot of people don’t want to believe anyone else is as good as they are. I know for a fact that I’ve wasted thousands of dollars on gear and any kid with an iPhone can do better… ;-)

  • Smudger

    BBQ’d Moose anyone?

  • Yossi

    I haven’t got convinced that the 600/4 AFS VR + TC-14E is in any worse than the 800/5.6. It results from my experience in an 840mm/5.6 super fast and sharp lens. Why splash 8k more? and the weight…

  • Dan Joseph

    Gotta agree 110% with Ole Barney Rubble. I attended one workshop from Moose, and the one thing I took away was the fact he’s an unbelievably arrogant jerk AND the great majority of his work is what I’d classify as just ‘ordinary.’ He’s certainly not at all what I’d consider a ‘great’ or even a ‘talented’ photographer. But he seems to have begun to surround himself with a few. Apparently he thinks associating himself with the great will make him so. Moose would be much better off doing workshops on self promotion than photography.

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