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Let’s see how widespread this thing is

UPDATE: I created a group on flickr for this issue - if your lens has a damaged thread, please submit a picture of it here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1283774@N25/ A set of pictures will make this poll more "legit".

Please vote in this poll ONLY if you own the latest Nikon 70-200 VRII f/2.8 lens:

You can see the results without voting by pressing the "view results" link under the poll.

A reader also started to compile a list of affected serial numbers. If you want to participate, list your sn# (without the last two digits) in the comment section and indicate whether you have the issue or not.

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  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    here is the compiled list so far (thanks longtimenikonshooter):

    Here are the serials I compiled from imperfection claimed on two forums so far. Among them, five users indicated manufacture date in YYYY-MM-DD format.

    200016xx
    200017xx
    200022xx (2009.9.25)
    200043xx
    200055xx
    200077xx
    200079xx
    200089xx
    200090xx
    200091xx
    200091xx
    200091xx
    200110xx
    200110xx
    200112xx
    200130XX
    200135xx
    200147xx (2009.11.16)
    200153xx
    200158xx
    200161xx
    200164xx
    200165xx
    200165xx
    200178xx
    200182xx
    200204xx (2009.12.07)
    200204xx
    200257xx (2009.12.21)
    200265xx
    200271xx (2009.12.25)

    Can anyone with perfect copies also update your first six digits of serials and manufacture date if possible, please? Thank you.

    • Barry Clemmons

      I have the issue with my lens serial #200117##

    • ATTILIO CALEGARI

      I HAVE THIS ISSUE AND A LOT OF TINY METAL PARTICLES INSIDE THE LENS, REALLY ALL OVER. I SHOOT NIKON SINCE I WAS 16 YEARS OLD. THIS IS THE LAST DROP, I AM FED UP. NO LENSES, NO MACRO TUBES, NO BELLOWS. THEY ONLY BUILT NEW CAMERAS. I NEED MORE.
      MY 70-200 VR II HAS BEEN BOUGHT FROM NITAL IN ITALY AND THE SERIAL
      IS – 200046XX

      • GlobalGuy

        You should be asking “to what degree”:

        severe
        -Metallic dust on lenses
        – Flaking but no dust.
        – Small discolor patches no flaking
        – Irregularities but could be mistaken.
        – Nothing visible

        • GlobalGuy

          Also, it shouldn’t be called “damaged.” You cannot say it is damaged without a scientific examination. You are just observing some phenomenon and you have a hypothesis. But you cannot reach the conclusion of a “damaged lens” until after thoroughly rigorous testing and deconstructed examination!

          To call it “damaged’ right now is the same thing as character assassination against Nikon…

    • Anonymous

      Wake up! Wake up! NIKON JAPAN INC,
      President KARIYA, Michio – President and CEO and COO; especially
      Operating Officer OKAJIMA, Masaaki – In charge of manufacturing reform project.
      Chairman – Tochigi Nikon Corporation and
      Chairman – Sendai Nikon Corporation
      Chairman – Nikon (Thailand) Co., Ltd.

      How long does NIKON wait to address the AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8 VRII lens internal defects?

      • WoutK89

        until further notice :-P

    • STJ

      Try looking with a flashlight into the lens; apparently it is easier to see the “effect” that way…

      • Jodpur Singpeet

        Yes, that would be being a good idea sir. Mr Ken Rockwell recommends this technique too and he is by far the expert.

    • Klaxonsfive

      Same problem
      Serial number: 200098XX

  • N People

    I have the same problem as described and the serial # is 200018XX.
    How can you tell the manufacture date?

  • http://www.nuworldphotography.com nuworld

    200112xx

    • http://www.nuworldphotography.com nuworld

      I forgot the mention mine has the issue. 200112xx has the issue…. I tried returning for an exchange at amazon but they insist I contact the manufacture for this issue???

      • nuworld

        id be happy to submit an image so little bo pete can be put at ease. Thanks super bo pete for policing the forum world…. you’re my hero :D

      • Jer

        nuworld
        Did you try the Amazon return center’s page. I had my lens 2 months and they give you the choice of a replacement or a refund. I’ve already shipped mine for a refund. http://www.amazon.com/gp/css/returns/homepage.html

        • nuworld

          Jer… Yes Amazon got back with me and gave me the option to return for full refund and I also repurchased hoping I get a good copy. The new lense arrives friday so I will update good or bad with images!

  • Anonymous

    Would it be possible to post the poll with a third option: “I don’t own the lens”?

    This way those of us who don’t own the lens can vote and see the results. Or, is there some way that I’m not aware of the view the results of the poll without voting?

    • Anonymous

      nevermind…duh!

    • http://www.hayphoto.ca HayPhoto

      There is a “view results” at the bottom of the poll which shows the results without the need to vote, currently its close to 50/50.

  • http://www.theodoreparadise.com Theodore

    If it’s there in mine, it certainly isn’t pronounced enough to easily spot. I don’t appear to have it – US200170xx

  • Anonymous

    200020xx. Bought in Malaysia

    • Anonymous

      Forgot to add. This SN has the issue.

  • fxed

    My serial # 200037XX

    I received a email responce from Nikon. In short, send it in. Nope not me. I am waiting for Nikon to issue a service advisory, which should not take long since its not a sharpness issue. For those of us who have this issue my question to Nikon is: Your going to take apart the lens and do what, was the inside barrel? A damm new lens is the solution. Nikon you made your target date for release at what cost though. Shody workmanship on your bread and butter lens.

    • WoutK89

      First people want the lens ASAP, and now they have to pay the price for it, if this is indeed a serious issues, not just cosmetic

      • tester

        I bought the first iMac 27″ i5 and got only rubish, the display was so bad, so I send back and learnd: Don’t be the firs one, wait one or two revisions and buy than.

        but if we are getting a D900 soon, I will be one of the first, too …. :-)

  • Jakub

    Got my lens in Canada the day it was released. I do NOT have this issue. SN: 200086XX

  • Philippe

    Mine as the issue too.
    SN: 200094XX

    • Philippe

      Wow, my english is really bad, “has the issue”, sorry :-p

  • Ian

    Calm down folks. No one knows if this is “an issue”. I probably will have zero effect on the lens.

    • fxed

      You obviously don’t have the lens. First get one then tell me you would not be pissed and want a replacement.

      • Ian

        Actually I do have this lens. It’s working perfectly.

        • fxed

          You have the lens and are telling hundreds of people reading this forum that you would not take action to get a replacement. Add to that the fact your actively working against fellow Nikon owners to have us silenced.Using tactics that make cheap chicago politicians look amature. I doubt you have the lens, seriously.

  • pete

    53 people have this issue all of a sudden ? lmao

    seriously admin, this idea of anonymous polls is a joke.if you want to make it worth a damn you should ask for photos showing evidence of this occurring to their lens.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      fair enough, if you have the issue, please submit a picture of it to this flickr group:

      http://www.flickr.com/groups/1283774@N25/

      • nuworld

        My image is up!

      • http://www.invisiblelandscapes.com polvopolvo

        I just posted a couple of images of my issue on Flickr – large flake of something metallic on the glass – I can live with ‘thread problems’ – until they start falling on the glass.

        http://bit.ly/924Cs4

    • longtimenikonshooter

      I happened to post the poll link on a Chinese forum. You may not know Nikon has a huge user base in China. For example, in Shanghai alone, Nikon has two huge showrooms (that you can play all Nikon imaging gears, including D3x,) and two large walk-in customer service centers. The one that I had my sensors cleaned last July has a waiting-room with the size of an average US Post Office.

  • Gary

    200160xx

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    my serial is 200096xx and I do NOT have the issue

    • STJ

      I have read from dp-review that it is much easier to see the issue if you point a flashlight into the lens. Some people have reported that they did not see it before, but with the flashlight it was very easy to see.

      • dB

        Yeah, i’m wondering how many people just haven’t been able to find it…

        I thought I wasn’t effected for a while, until I looked at just the right angle

      • Jodpur Singpeet

        Yes sir, Kenneth Rockwell would be recommeding too shining a torch or other bright light like a candle or match into it as soon as we can to prevent long term glass damages.

        I am having the problem and an very worreed as the shop i am boughting from has clsed due to the unfortunate economic crisises.

    • john

      I am telling you. you will see it sooner or later. Mine was clean as air when I got it. It start show up after a few hundred shots.

  • http://www.shutterslam.com Shutterslam

    My copy has the chipping as well as a small amount of silver particulate matter in the inner tube.

    200009xx

    Where do you find the manufacture date?

  • http://www.invisiblelandscapes.com polvopolvo

    I think the problem here is defining the’ issue’… I have some darker marks on the ‘thread’ – though it took me a couple of goes to see them – it looks a bit like the original image that appeared of this. I can’t see any flakes or dust in the lens though – so it could well be that it never affects anything….

    Having said that I am still concerned about future isssues and resale value – and having paid over $3000 AUS to get a top of the line lens whihc now may have an ‘issue’ ….

    I think this is still a useful exercise to see the scale of the ‘issue’ – and who does it hurt? I’m not sure if all the posters saying ‘don’t worry’ or ‘calm down’ or ‘ it’s not an issue’ have actually forked out good money for this lens or not.- or have the ‘issue’ themselves if they do have the lens. Maybe it would be good if posters having a go at anyone for being worried about this ‘issue’ first confirm if they actually have this lens and have the ‘issue’? Otherwise their comments about ‘it’ll be fine’ are a pretty hollow…

    My SN is 200042xx

    Happy to send anyone an image of the ‘issue’ in my lens if anyone wants to see it – and can convince me its any of their business

    • http://www.invisiblelandscapes.com polvopolvo

      Just updating my initial assessment after a more extensive look with a torch … a lot of fine dust (which may or may not be ‘normal’) but one larger flake of something reflective on the front of the main zooming element.

      This wasn’t on the lens when it arrived as I checked it all out with a lamp before putting the filter on….

      So to be clear … My SN is 200042xx …. and this lens has a problem

  • kaz

    My SN is 200202xx bought in Sydney, Australia, in early January and I don’t have the problem. I assume mine was manufactured in early Dec

  • comoskanga2

    SN 200085xx

    Has only about 5-6 “flakes/chips”

    Bought in Canada.

  • dB

    I have issue… SN 200170xx… just bought the lens too

  • longtimenikonshooter

    Judging from serials, it seems like they start at 20001xxx and end at 20002xxx for 2009. If my calc is correct, Nikon probably produced around 20,000 pieces of this VR2 version in last year. Assuming Nikon has sold all 20,000 pieces at wholesale price of $2000, Nikon would have to suffer a loss at tune of $20 million if Nikon had to replace 50% defect lenses. $20mil could be a lot dough to any small/medium size company that has annual revenue of $200 million or less . I don’t know what Nikon’s revenue was for the previous fiscal year. Let us wait and see what Nikon will choose to prioritize its solutions on this: either its bottom line or its brand reputation.

    • tester

      I think this is not a problem. they have 20$ million less revenue, but the real costs should be ~40%, so they have only 5$ milion lost.

  • http://www.segura.org/ Segura

    200094XX Nikon USA affected

  • JasonH

    200089xx

    I put affected, but really I only see a couple tiny nicks in the threads and no loose particles.

    • Ben

      My SN is 200089xx and I would describe mine exactly like you have. I’m really not bothered by it if that’s as bad as it will get.

  • Ray

    Same here, bought in the Netherlands. Serialnumber: 200107XX

  • KC CHAI

    20012195

  • anonymouss

    I feel like this poll is really biased…not nearly as many people with no problems with the lens are going to be voting.

    • STJ

      Probably, but it quite clearly shows that this is not just one person that has the problem and shows it all over the internet. If this doesn’t warrent an official comment from Nikon then what does? I would be rather irritated if I had just bought this lens not knoweing if this might be a future optical problem or not. Actually particles inside a lens seems to be a problem in any case.

  • LGo

    No problem with these 2 units:

    SN: 200057XX
    SN: 200057XX

  • http://www.knipse.com Mips66

    200109XXNikon Germany also affected

  • Tan Keat

    same problem:
    SN: 200043xx

  • Chris

    200107xx, bought in the Netherlands, affected.

  • Alex

    Mine does have very minor discoloration and chipping (not nearly as bad as the original post) but have not seen any particles on the lens and have not seen any effects on image quality or zoom ring turning. I will vote that I do have the problem but it’s very minor. But for some reason I feel more nervous about the thought of somebody opening up my lens just to replace that one piece and putting it back together, unless this really does turn out to be a huge issue affecting other areas of the lens besides just the cosmetics of the lens. So far my lens has been super sharp and no back and no front focus issues at all. Just wondering to all those who have a lens that is free from this problem, are your lenses spotless and perfect inside or is it just very minor compared to the original post?

  • john

    guys!
    i am telling you. even you do not have problem right now, you will see it sooner or later. i had two copies. my first one from b&h came as defected. i saw a big chunk of metal piece in the barrel. my replacement copy did not have any particles at all. i am a full time wedding photographer and the particles show up after 200 shots. it ended up like whole bunch of them inside of zooming barrel in a month. it looks like a masking coating on the lens barrel. they probably did not applied on the lens barrel properly. if nikon made this part uniformly, every copies in the market could be same condition. so,good luck is not enough in this case. i am sure that everyone will have a problem with this particle. only the time is matter. i sent mine to service station already.
    fyi, my first copy was 9xx. my second one was 9xxx.

    • http://www.invisiblelandscapes.com polvopolvo

      I totally agree John – when I first got mine I checked it out and it was clean as, After a couple of shoots there is fine reflective particles all through the barrel – and a large metallic particle on the actual glass. Clealry something is coming loose and spreading throughout the barrel. There is something wrong here and Nikon needs to address it.

  • dB

    I seriously think that a lot of people who are saying that there isn’t a problem just aren’t quite sure where to look… it’s actually pretty darn hard to see. I though I was unaffected for a while as well.

  • HenryB

    The problem seems to be so widespread that all, good or bad have been effected already. All lenses manufactures up to the date of an officially statement by Nikon addressing the defects, will have a poor used market value.

    For now I will wait to buy mine until the issue have been solved.

  • http://www.hkmoo.com choiMatthew

    im a bit amazed by how many people on NR actually owns a 70-200VRII

    • alex

      i also like that none of them seems to make money out of it. they got it, see some potential problem inside with the flashlight, which doesn’t affect anything (at least not yet) and they say they return it instantly and that’s it

      really? if you can live without it why bother in the first place? no other way to spend money in your area?

      • fxed

        A moronic statement if ever there were one. You don’t have the lens so why not butt out. I’m still shooting great pictures with mine but this lens is going back to Nikon for a replacement. If you have ever sold equipment you may not be as flippant. As an example: In the future I place the item for sale. The buyer takes a look inside the lens, what do you think will happen other than the buyer as he walks out my door say I’ll give you a buck.

        NR Admin: You brought this issue to our attention, thanks. Now since it is very real please keep us informed when a class action is started and point us in its direction.

        • alex

          moronic is only when you get things without needing them
          you surely seem to know what i’m talking about

          • fxed

            Alex, think about what you wrote. I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I guess your day job is mind reading.

            Grow up.

  • funny

    200009xx affected
    200059xx affected
    200099xx affected
    200010xx affected
    200017xx ok
    200062xx ok
    200107xx affected
    200107xx affected
    200137xx ok

  • EdM

    Saw the post here, checked my lens which was a XMas gift, and there it was. Fortunately it was purchased from B&H. Lens returned yesterday for refund. Poor workmanship is poor workmanship. None of my other Nikkor zooms show this ‘defect.’ If this thing was made in China then Nikon is in trouble. QC – nonexistant.

  • Dmitry

    same issue on mine – us200057XX

  • http://www.d800.com The invisible man.

    I don’t have any AF-S 70-200 f/2.8 but I will accept any donation (even a copy with a defective thread)
    ;o)

  • Jay A

    US0000970 – I HAVE THE PROBLEM
    Mine is at Nikon California as of today for the issue. I’ll let you all know what happens. Even if they choose to NOT fix it, I’ll have the DOC that I sent it in if they ever decide to issue a recall.

    We shouldn’t have ANY issue for a lens that costs $2500.00 – even if is doesn’t affect performance. We don’t need camera equipment to start being like software – that’s broken when you buy it brand new and you have to apply fixes.

  • Alex

    I have the same problem as described and the serial is: 200065XX

    Bought in Spain past week.

  • Nikkor PM

    And the rumor here is…

    I don’t know.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      Obviously the rumor here is that there is a problem with one of the most popular lenses in Nikon’s line-up. Once Nikon makes an official statement, this won’t be a rumor any longer.

  • SimonC

    ‘Glad we have something to keep ourselves busy with until the D900 shows up (then this will all be forgotten and we’ll be complaining again ;-))

    Seriously, I feel for you all who have this lens defect. It’s a shame that this was allowed to go through.

  • benS

    I guess this is the BIG news from Nikon that everyonewas anticipating.
    NO, not a new camera body. NO not a new lens … but an embarassing quality the most popular pro nikon lens… and this not a rumour. NR admin can sa ” trust me on this one .

    Sorry folks, Im just so sad and angry to see Nikon quality suffer.

  • http://www.idic-photo.com Trekker

    I have the issue minor though not as sever as some of the pictures. I was #20 on Adorama’s list for this lens.

    Serial # 20009462

  • D40-owner

    Hello Admin,
    I don’t think your poll is trustworthy.
    Don’t get me wrong, I love your blog and read it daily, but I seriously doubt over 600 pro/rich photographers who own the new 70-200 came here and voted in 24h. If they own this lens, they are out shooting, not reading blogs…

    Just my 2 cents..

    • fxed

      Some of you people must be plants from other camera manufactures. Ripping those who own the lens and implying that we forget about it. When you grow up and are able to buy something more expensive than what you have now and it has a problem, well, just remember to shut your mouth and forget the defect in what you bought. Instead go outside and shoot, yea that’s it and magically the defect will be fixed.

  • jeffh

    No problem SN# 2001791x. got it here in Japan.

  • Dweeb

    All this because some idiot thought they’d get away with pulling a fast one. Once dealers start having to clean up Nikon’s mess head office will issue a response. On a return the dealer not only loses the profit but assumes the costs of the return of a $2500 buck item. And remember the Nikon.cn response is not the definitive answer.

  • Anonymous

    Just checked mine on a whim and mine has it too.
    bought from b+h nov28

  • http://www.d800.com The invisible man.

    I’m not sure there is anything wrong with the 70-200mm, Nikon was the first to introduce the “nano crystals coating”, now they are introducing the “nano metal coating”.

    • Joeyc923@yahoo.com

      Alright that’s a good one.

      Mine has it too, 200112 same s nuworld. Must be the Amazon lot # LOL.

  • longtimenikonshooter

    Here’s the updated serials for affected lenses (total 57 so far)

    2000009x
    200009xx
    200009xx
    200016xx
    200017xx
    200018xx
    200020xx
    200022xx (2009.9.25)
    200037xx
    20003XXX
    20003XXX
    200042xx
    200043xx
    200043xx
    200046xx
    200055xx
    200057XX
    200065XX
    200077xx
    200079xx
    200079xx
    200085xx
    200089xx
    200090xx
    200091xx
    200091xx
    200091xx
    200094XX
    200094XX
    200098xx
    20009xxx
    200107XX
    200107xx
    200109XX
    200110xx
    200110xx
    200112xx
    200112xx
    200117xx
    200121xx
    200130XX
    200135xx
    200147xx (2009.11.16)
    200153xx
    200158xx
    200161xx
    200164xx
    200165xx
    200165xx
    200170xx
    200178xx
    200182xx
    200204xx (2009.12.07)
    200204xx
    200257xx (2009.12.21)
    200265xx
    200271xx (2009.12.25)

    The total for unaffected ones is nine.

    200086XX
    200096xx
    200202xx
    200057XX
    200057XX
    200170xx
    200085xx
    200093xx
    2001791x

    • longtimenikonshooter

      based total of 66 serials gathered so far:

      defective ratio = 86%,
      flawless ratio = 14%.

      • fxed

        Thanks for doing this. We know the folks at Nikon are reading these posts. Based on your figures and allowing for deviation this will be more of an embarresment than the D5000 fiasco. This lens is one of Nikons major money makers. If Canon’s new 70-200 lives up to it’s specs and along with the MKIV close the barn door as there will be a stampede like there was in the mid 90’s.

      • Ian

        So “an issue” is now a defect?

  • Etienne

    Sn#200051XX. Affected. Metallic dust/flakes in lens barrel. Lens purchased in South Africa, 2009/12/03.

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