The latest Nikon patents: mirrorless lenses, curved sensor and more


Nikon's patent US20170261728 contains calculations for various mirrorless f/2.8-4 lenses designed for various sensor sizes (FX, DX, 2x crop factor and 1"):

Nikon FX mirrorless lenses:

  • 24-85mm f/2.8-4
  • 24-105mm f/2.8-4
  • 24-70mm f/2.8-4

Nikon DX mirrorless lenses:

  • 16-60mm f/2.8-4
  • 16-70mm f/2.8-4
  • 16-50mm f/2.8-4
  • 18-55mm f/2.8-4

Lenses for 2x crop factor:

  • 12-40mm f/2.8-4

Lenses for 1" sensor:

  • 9-35mm f/2.8-4

Among all these patents there is also a patent for a full frame 24-85mm f/2.8-4 DSLR lens.

Next is another Nikon patent for a curved sensor and a matching 50mm f/2.8 lens (P2017-53887A):


The new Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 28mm f/1.4E ED lens was designed together with or by Konica Minolta (P2017-227799A):


Another Nikon patent (P2017-216578A) describes a special arrangement to improve the phase-detection ability for the on-sensor PDAF:


Nikon has a patent (US9774777) for a mirrorless camera but it's filed in 2016 so it is not clear if this is for their new mirrorless model or for the Nikon 1. The lens mount described has 12 contacts similar to the Nikon 1:


 

Also interesting - Tamron filed patents for 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/4 and 500mm f/4 telephoto lenses (via PhotoRumors):

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  • Bob Thane

    Tamron telephotos, now that’ll be fun. Nice finds!

    • animalsbybarry

      The Tamron 150-600 F5.6-6.3 G2 is a very good kens and available in Nikon mount
      It also works very well with the new Tamron 1.4x

    • BlueBomberTurbo

      Note that Tamron makes optics for some Sony-badged lenses, as well. Should be interesting…

      • Aditya Gupta

        Yup…the batis line..

        • PhilK

          Batis is not a Sony-badged line, it is a Zeiss-badged line. (Though it is only made for Sony E-mount)

        • Shutterbug

          Batis is Zeiss

        • Fred

          Seems like some people have not looked very closely at the batis 85mm construction versus the Tamron 85mm lens. Go do some homework guys.

          • Davo

            I don’t think that’s the claim. Batis 85mm ≠ Tamron 85mm. But Tamron has a patent drawing of an 85mm lens very similar to the Batis 85mm.
            Tamron also has a patent for a 75mm/1.8 that is almost identical to the production Olympus 75/1.8 lens which is one of the best m43 lenses.
            So it seems like Tamron do license designs to other companies and they have excellent designs.

  • f/2.8-4 is a good compromise between speed, good IQ and small size as already proven by the Fuji 18-55. And the Nikon 16-80, too!

    • Aldo

      small, small, small… is this all mirrorless is about? I don’t even have big hands but even I can appreciate size with working tools.

      • if i run all day with 2 cameras and a bag of gear i can appreciate the small size and weight

        • Aldo

          I shoot with primes when I don’t wanna to haul the big zooms…. but I will never compromise my style just to save on some grams and size.

          • And what is to compromise if you get the quality its not a compromise

            • Aldo

              See right there “quality”. What do you mean by that? there is so much lost in that word. So many factors to consider. Like for example there is a youtube video saying the “quality” of the d7200 is better than the d750. People have different ideas of what quality is. I like the word ‘characteristics’ better.

            • Proto

              yup, camera quality comparison is like debating pepsi and coke. pointless.

              3 aspects signal quality in photography — happiness of client, their referral to others, and new business : ) Money talks. Rest is chatter.

              Rest of the world gives a flying fck if photos came from iPhone, Hasselblad or D3400

            • Ok if you get a sililar or the same performance in a more compact set. Beside you pick the gear that’s suets your needs so its god to have a choise.

        • kino13

          I got a D800 and a D850 (among others now), and I have been using both at the same time, I have to say it is very comfortable for me. And I am a small guy. Regards

          • And i am a big guy that is using a d750 and a d7100 and i woullden mind to have 2 smaller cameras that would give me simillar or better performance, difrent people difrent needs.

        • Hermann Kloeti

          Go running with my camera gear? Interesting idea…

      • Not everyone uses their camera as a working tool. Though yeah, mirrorless allows for some compact designs (especially wide angle lenses).

        • Aldo

          I guess

          • Also, m4/3 is an example that a system can be both small and light but also large with good ergonomics (E-M mk II).

            • Aldo

              I’ve shot mostly FX my entire life… I can’t explain it to you but I know focal lengths so well that shooting becomes so natural and effortless. Maybe I’m just too comfortable who knows. I just don’t find other systems appealing enough to even consider changing… and when I see lenses like these patented or announced all I can do is smh.

            • Proto

              And it looks good in Tesla 3 you are getting 🙂

            • BlueBomberTurbo

              And still quite expensive despite using 1/4 the sensor size…

        • Surely wide angle design depends on flange distance. Some mirrorless mounts have such a small flange distance that lens design is not massively different from slr wide angle lenses. Old rangefinder wide lenses were small because there was enough space between the rear element and the sensor, if the flange is tiny that space isn’t there.

        • Markus

          I’m no pro but I use my cameras with gloves in winter and I love the bigger Nikon bodies.

      • akkual

        I have Nikon FF and Fuji X-series and I have big hands. I am happy to use both, though my Fuji needed an extra grip piece to be nicely fitting to my hands. Overall, the Nikon fits better to the hand, but the lightness and small size of the Fuji set is nice when I need to hike or walk around with my camera. My smallest camera bag that takes my D750 and 50mm and nothing much more, takes my X-T2, 18/2, 23/2, 35/1.4 and 56/1.2 resulting to almost same weight.

        But what I do not understand is Sony A7 series. Small ill-fitting camera with as heavy lenses as for my Nikon.

        • Aditya Gupta

          Let me help you.
          Sony a7rii+85mm f1.8+28mm f2+35mm f2.8+ 50mm f1.8 weighs “1502 grams”.
          And your combination weighs ” 1397 grams”.
          With Sony’s low light performance plus the ibis negates any aperture advantage u have with your fuji.

          So, i don’t know, what’s so difficult for u to understand.

          Just my 2 cents.

          • HD10

            I will happily reach for a D850 (or D500) with the 85mm f/1.8G, 35mm f/1.8G or 28mm f/1.8G, and 20mm f1.8G than any of my Sony cameras and lenses. My Sony Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 is excellent but I much prefer bringing a Nikkor 20mm f/.18G to such.

            Smaller size and weight has its place but so does a camera’s ergonomics and ease of use.

            • Aditya Gupta

              What does it have to do with this thread?

            • HD10

              If you do not see that, then I would say that you are just trolling here.

          • Different people have different preferences.

      • ITN

        No but most mirrorless cameras are designed to be small and that is the main reason people give for purchasing them.

      • Markus

        This! I find my D700 as the perfect size for working although I have normal sized hands. I also use my V3 and form me, this is great as a secondary cam. Especially when I wear gloves in winter, the small cameras are just painful to use.

  • Justin Laidlaw

    So are Nikon releasing 3 formats of mirrorless then? Full Frame, DX and 2x crop? Or do you think the mirrorless will be a base 2x crop with both a DX and a Full Frame adapter or am I completely wrong in thinking that?

    • Just because they’ve patented something doesn’t mean it’ll ever be released as a product.

      • Justin Laidlaw

        I didn’t mean that any of these patented products would actually ever be released, I am just curious on the approach they are taking!

        • BlueBomberTurbo

          The shotgun approach. Brainstorming, basically.

        • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

          Who knows,,, we find out what their plans are within 2018.

    • we don’t know for sure – those are just patents that may not materialize

    • PhilK

      Personally what I think they are probably doing is filing a bunch of patents for different format sensors because in an era where lots of rumor-hunters watch patent filings like a hawk, they are creating a diversion of sorts to keep competitors from knowing their precise strategic product plans.

      • I think they are more concerned with competition then rumor hunters, but yes 🙂 They are trying to cover as much as possible in a patent also for a potential lawsuit in the future.

        • PhilK

          Yep, well my mention of rumor-hunters was more of a reflection of the current realities than apportioning blame.

          It’s just very easy for anyone these days to snoop on a company’s strategic plans by monitoring things like patent filings. In the old days when you might have had to request a mountain of paperwork mailed to you every month to follow such things (or go personally visit a government office somewhere), it was much more difficult to follow.

    • jimh

      Doubt they will do DX because all the hoopla today is about FF. They’ll talk a good game but never quite get around to APS-C. Just my own gloomy prediction…

      • akkual

        Depends. Making a mirrorless and small FF camera does not make sense. I mean, I have tried Sony A7s and they are terrible, when you glue something like 70-200/2.8 on them. Too small body for big heavy lens.

        My APS-C Fuji X-series though is another story, lightweight, small, fast, and very high image quality (X-T2 has pratically the same DR at its native ISO 200 as D850, about 10 stops).

        I personally wish Nikon would announce a FF mirrorless in a DSLR like body, so I do not need to move to Fuji GFX and spend big bucks if I desire something better quality mirrorless.

        • So you are hoping to see something like the Leica SL?

        • Davo

          They could do both. A DSLR like body for the top end lenses and a smaller body for the f2 – 2.8 primes.

    • AYWY

      If the throat diameter and flange distance in those patents are the same then they use the same mount.

      It should be written, but I don’t feel like digging through them.

    • Pat Mann

      I think its FX + DX, 2x or 1″. 2 systems, yet to choose the sensor size. I personally like the idea of a 2x crop sensor. A bit better than the 1-inch for light-gathering, a bit more compact overall system than DX. More differentiation from FX so maybe they’d actually support it. The other consideration for mirrorless is video – what is the optimal format sensor for 8k video?

  • Aldo

    f2.8-4 ewww… for the pro line up?… this is what you guys are waiting for? I guess I’ll look like a caveman with my dslr for years to come.

    • br0xibear

      Oh come on Aldo ?, If we didn’t know you from all the comments here, this post could easily be put under the “another troll” list.
      You know fine well that the word “mirrorless” describes a plethora of different types of camera, with prices ranging from £400 to £4000.
      Different cameras for different photographers, there is no one fits all.
      You’re baiting people to come on and turn a discussion into an arguement with this type of comment, I was hoping 2018 might get us all away from that type of nonsense, I know Peter’s doing his best by deleting and banning faster…but I expext better from long time posters like you Aldo.

      • Aldo

        I know you are wise my friend… I guess I’m just disappointed to see those lenses for ‘my own’ personal preference. Deep inside I know mirrorless is the future so I’m anxious to see where it’s going.

        • br0xibear

          I don’t see mirrorless as the future for everyone…I see it as the future for some.

          • and that makes sense to me… keep mirrorless smaller and lighter, leave the DSLR as a the top pro line

            • Proto

              True that! I used sexy Leica mirrorless – nice toy, thats all.

            • PhilK

              I don’t doubt that the flagship will continue to be a DSLR for at least one or maybe 2 more generations, but I do believe flapping mirrors are doomed in the long-run.

              And this comes from a guy who has been using SLRs since the 1970s. (My first interchangeable-lens camera as a teenager was actually a re-badged version of the famous “Contax S”, which is known for essentially pioneering the modern 35mm SLR. It was the first ever to use an eye-level pentaprism viewfinder. That one did not even have an instant-return mirror, to see after shooting you had to wait until you advanced the film/cocked the shutter again. 😉 )

              http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Contax_S
              http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-148.html

              Technology moves on and I think the time is soon coming when we will move past the viewfinder technology that was surely innovative for it’s time 70 years ago.

            • br0xibear

              It astounds me that so many people have been brainwashed by the word “mirrorless”.
              DSLRs aren’t suddenly going to stop working, mirrorless users aren’t suddenly going to become amazing photographers…yet that’s the mentality of many.
              There’s never been a time when photographers have had such choice of different gear to take images. Instead of finding a camera that works best for them and the way they take images, they moan and complain that a particular camera company hasn’t made a camera that does x,y or z, and because of that they must be a crap company, who’s going to go bust, the people who use their gear should be belittled.
              It’s a joke.

            • I agree, and that’s ok – everybody has a preference. My issue is that some (many?) mirrorless users feel the urge to explain everybody why mirrorless is better. They will go forum and blogs like NR and start preaching. Then I ban them. My guess is that they need to justify the money they spend to switch to another system. I for example happened to like Nikon DSLRs and Leica rangefinders but I don’t go to Sony’s forum on dpreview and start preaching… have your preference, but don’t be a troll.

            • br0xibear

              “My guess is that they need to justify the money they spend to switch to another system.”
              I think there’s far more to it…A tribalism like Apple v PC, IOS v Android
              And the most noise comes from those who have only used mirrorless, have only known digital and social media, and have never eperienced photography outside that narrow band.
              The constant upgrade, updgrade, upgrade dillusion that they believe one day will result in them becoming better photographers…but in reality just makes companies richer.
              Interesting piece on PetaPixel by TC Lin that’s worth a read… https://petapixel.com/2018/01/05/photography-never-died/

    • PhilK

      Personally I would warmly welcome a high-performance replacement for the current 24-70 that isn’t as large as a house.

      If making it f/4 at the long end is what it takes, I think it would be a reasonable tradeoff for a lot of people.

      I’d also like to see a better-performing replacement for the mediocre 24-120, and I don’t mind the long end being limited to 105mm to achieve that. In that case, the f/2.8 at the short end is a bonus over the current offering.

      • HD10

        Concur. I like my primes and my f/2.8 zooms but there are times when I want something smaller and lighter.

        On the few times that I use the 24-120mm f/4G VR, I use it as a 24-120mm f/4-5.6 from 80mm onwards. So an excellent well-made smaller and lighter 24-105mm f/2.8-4.0E VR or even a 24-85mm f/2.8-4.0E VR for FX use will be a real treat for me.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        concur you on the replacement to 24-120 AFS Vr and hopefully Nikon will update some of their older lenses like 200mm Macro, 105 afs macro, etc = job done. We know that Nikon will bring out a 200/180 – 400 F4 + tc 1.4 this year and possibly then update the rest of exotics over time regardless of whether a mirrorless solution shows up or not.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Where does it say “pro” about these?

      • Aldo

        it was a question not a statement

    • Integral Moments

      This is not the total sum of lenses they will release and it might be just the start up so canon which is the only company left with Nikon competing of the FX camera, i’m definitely sure that Nikon will release primes and probably 1.4, i can feel your frustration brother and i’m waiting for their new tech impatiently and hoping to have some quality lenses on the date of release.

      • Isaac Fulford

        Some of the lenses seem to already exist in the form of AF-P lenses released recently.

      • PhilK

        Re: 24×36 “35mm full frame” digital cameras, there are certainly other makers besides Nikon/Canon, including Sony, Pentax and Leica.

        Here’s a shortlist:

        https://www.switchbacktravel.com/best-full-frame-cameras

    • Proto

      caveman with your two D750 : )

      because you know the truth — mirrorless will not make anyone a better photographer.

    • Davo

      How bout 2.8-4 kits instead of f3.5-5.6 kit lenses? Glass half (you pick).

    • fanboy fagz

      And why the need for 3 different lenses with 2.8-4.
      Make a 24-105 2.8-4 then a 24-70 2.8. Im curious if it will allow the current lenses to mount

  • doge

    lol

  • DSP~

    If the 2.8-4 is anything more than the budget / kit lens lineup for FX, they can keep their shit. Imho the market doesnt need a “cheapo” FX mirrorless camera or system…
    Plus: If the rather “slow / dark” lenses are a hint for whats to come in terms of ergonomics – they can keep their shit as well. I dont need another A7/A9 like, knuckle breaking camera in my life. I need a professional tool with the MILC capabilities.

    • Claude Mayonnaise

      Happy New Year??

    • Pat Mann

      Since they’re not willing to do a complete system for DX, they need to keep and improve the enthusiast/consumer lens series for FX.

    • drororomon

      The expectation’s going to set you up for disappointment and that’s why I’m managing mine by looking at how other manufacturers took time to reach where they are right now. Nikon won’t be any different. Likely new mount, new sensor sizes, new body/lens designs, it’s going to take a few reiterations before they get it right.

    • PhilK

      If only most of the potential buyers had the same expectations, it might make sense to build such a product.

      As of the moment, building a “flagship” MILC at this point is too dangerous of an undertaking as they would seriously undermine themselves if it did not gain popularity right away, yet undermined their DSLR business by, at the very least, giving the impression that they no longer intended to develop it.

  • Wedding_Shooter

    Nice slow variable aperture zooms for FX and DX. What else you got Nikon? A system like this needs to be introduced with f/2.8 glass and even faster primes, not consumer nonsense.

    • Sawyerspadre

      I would guess that any new system will need kits lenses and pro stuff, especially in FX. Remember the consumers help pay the bills…

    • Sony started their mirrorless line with the NEX 3 and 5 in 2010. It took them quite a few years to reach the levels we’re now at (with cameras like the a9, a7III, a6500). I wouldn’t expect Nikon to storm the mirrorless market with pro offerings. A camera at the D610/750 level seems more likely.

      • Keep in mind that Nikon had the Nikon 1 for a few years, so they are not completely new to the mirrorless idea.

        • drororomon

          Different sensor size though. And the ergonomics of the camera would be different too because of that. A lot of relearning to do.

          • PhilK

            Nikon has been making cameras and optics for a very long time. I’m not convinced that they need to ‘learn’ anything about a MILC just because the sensor format is larger than their previous MILC products. (Especially since the sensor size will almost certainly be one which Nikon already has extensive experience with: eg APS-C (“DX”) or FF 35mm. (“FX”)

            The only area which would introduce a “new” optical variable is the light-ray angle-of-incidence at the sensor. This is why using lenses designed for 35mm film cameras/DSLRs – which have a longer back-focus – on modern mirrorless digital cameras often results in weird color shifts over the frame and so on – the way the light rays hit the sensor is not optimized for such cameras. However I’m quite sure that Nikon knows all about this effect and will keep it in mind in their design. (For all we know this is something they have also designed for in modern F-mount lenses like the “E” versions of their 2.8 lenses – for potential eventual usage on a new MILC product line)

    • drororomon

      Well, all you (we) need is a fully functional adapter.

      • PhilK

        Yes… however opinions differ about what constitutes “fully functional”. 😉

  • PhilK

    I’m glad to see these patents, wouldn’t mind a bit a better-performing replacement for the 24-120 (105mm max is just fine) and a smaller variant of the current 24-70 monstrosity.

  • Sawyerspadre

    The various sensor sizes may be a smokescreen to allow them a better market surprise, on what they might release, and to keep others with other format sizes from just poaching their design work.

  • DSP~

    I dont say that I know more. But I can clearly say (for myself) that I wont buy into a system that doesnt offer professional lens options and good ergonomics. I know Nikon can do that and I hope they are willing to provide this for their future mirrorless lineup as well.

    • Sawyerspadre

      Patience grasshopper…I think Nikon is aware that they need gear that will enhance the creativity of pros. If I were a pro, which I am not, I would anticipate keeping DSLRs in my kit, along with mirrorless for several more years. I think we all need to keep in mind that any new mirrorless system, from any brand isn’t going to have the depth and breadth of the Nikon system on day one.

      • Davo

        Precisely. Growth needs time and money from volume sales.

    • António

      Professionals are supposed to already have professional lenses to do the job and it wouldn’t be a good thing to buy new ones with a new mount as soon as a pro mirror less grade camera comes to the market:

      1. because they need their stuff to work properly with the new camera as it is unlikely that Nikon could offer the all line at the same time and from the beginning;

      2. because the existing lenses value would drop to a ridiculous level making the new investment much more costly and

      3. as during a certain period it is likely that many professionals will keep DSLRs to work along the new cameras that would demand duplicating part of the lenses, increasing even more the investment figures and knowing that by the time they decide to stay with mirror less cameras only their DSLR stuff will have no market value at all.

  • A 400mm f4.0. . . Yeesssss please!!!

  • Spy Black

    “…another Nikon patent for a curved sensor and a matching 50mm f/2.8 lens…”

    A FF Coolpix A?

    “Lenses for 1″ sensor…”

    It would blow my mind if N1 rises from the ashes. If so, hopefully they’ll do it right this time and not cripple the system.

    • Pat Mann

      They just needed to bring out a new camera that was just enough bigger to have built-in EVF, more direct controls, all-day battery. So close!

      • KnightPhoto

        Agreed and a Nikon 1 with Nikon flash compatibility should also have been the design. And one thing that really annoys me is absence of same Auto-ISO high shutter speed programmability (i.e. ability to set floating ISO with minimum SS of 1/1600) – that one silly software absence really hampers my style.

        Maybe Nikon 1 V4 with radio-flash compatibility? And personally I found the FT-1 single-point AF-C restriction quite limiting as I basically very rarely use a centre-point on my cameras.

      • V2 was!

  • Matias Bravo

    It will be extremely interesting what Nikon will do with the new mount (assuming they do release one). Only small lenses would point at keeping the F mount for the larger lenses/cameras (which I think is the best choice), but if they come with f/1.4 primes and f/2.8 zooms it might well mean the death of the F mount.

    • Pat Mann

      Inevitable, but the F6 and D6 will probably last a while in the inventory.

    • If Nikon does that I will switch to Canon, just on general principle.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        True but again what are Canon’s plans on their EF mount and mirrorless in the future ?

    • Markus

      There will be an adapter, similar to the FT1. Nikon takes this serious and the F Mount will still last for longer.

  • Claude Mayonnaise

    ‘mirrorless is no good’ crowd commencing in 5,4,3,2,1….

    • AYWY

      Actually the “I need fast lenses to be a good photographer. I’m not good enough to be pro otherwise.” crowd is bigger and came crashing in faster.

      • Claude Mayonnaise

        I say fire everyone and make Nikon a cottage style company with 4 employees. Hand make each and every camera and lens and make all the lenses f1.2. Charge an astronomical price. One up…no….10x up Leica. That el’ teach em’ for bashing f2.8-4 lenses.

        • Pat Mann

          Bring back the SP design team.

  • all 2.8-4?!?! They sure don’t seem to be to serious into mirrorless!

    • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

      These are just patents and may be lenses that are available upon release of Nikon 2

    • Allen_Wentz

      f/2.0-4 is a very useful range, especially with modern camera body ISO capabilities. Anything faster can be primes.

      • KnightPhoto

        Wholeheartedly agree, f/2.8-4 zooms very useful, and supplement with a judicious f/1.4 prime or two. F/2.8 zooms are all out best but aren’t strictly necessary these days (specially with Nikon high ISO) unless doing event, theatre, concert, night sport, wedding, PJ etc.

  • Pat Mann

    All great news. A mirrorless release this year? I would love to see 1-inch or 2x crop factor as the second format behind full frame. DX has been so close to FX they wouldn’t support it.

  • Rhonbo

    Looks like Nikon is going the do the same thing with mirrorless as DX no pro lens support. No F2 zooms and no .95 – 1.2 primes to make up for the 1 stop disadvantage of DX over FX. Not even F2.8 constant zoom lenses. Even 1′ sensor gets F2.8. This keeps the push towards FX.

    • PhilK

      Why you would assume that this handful of recently-released patents somehow represents Nikon’s entire lens line plans for a new MILC product for the next 20 years is beyond me.

      • Rhonbo

        Because they have not shown any interest in the current DX lens line up which has been around what 16+ years. There currently is not one up to date pro level DX lens. All we get is the old 17-55 F2.8 and a bunch of kit type lenses. IMO Nikon should first shore up it current DX lens line up before starting another line. I do hope they change their pattern, I want Nikon to succeed here I just don’t have much faith in the brand when it comes to DX lenses. If we are talking 20 years out here then anything could happen in that time. Nikon might not even be around then who knows, I probably won’t.

    • Spy Black

      Considering Nikon filed a patent for an f/0.95 mirrorless lens (I forget the focal length), I don’t think anyone is in any position to come to conclusions about Nikon’s mirrorless goals.

      • Rhonbo

        True, nobody knows what Nikon will do in the future but many of us have a negative view due to the last 16yrs of Nikon’s lack of interest in Pro DX, other then it being suited for telephoto lens work at the pro level. I base my views on Nikons past reputation rather then what I would like them to do. Nikon show me a road map (yeah right). I’m all for change in the right direction but won’t hold my breath. I myself will probably end up having to go FX even though I would rather stay with the smaller lighter DX bodies if fast enough glass was available for portrait and low light work.

        • Spy Black

          We’re just gonna have to sit back, chill, and see if Nikon either blows themselves up, or turns the world on it’s ear.

        • “True, nobody knows what Nikon will do in the future”

          Well, at least something wrong, given the records!! 🙂

    • Davo

      Has anyone made zooms >= f2 for APS-C except Sigma?
      Looks to me f2.8-4 lenses are a compromise to get size down. Well at least they’re not f3.5-5.6 kit lenses.

      • KnightPhoto

        Tokina makes the excellent f/2 14-20 . I own it and if you need fast wide and sharp for APS-C, this is the lens.

  • sickheadache

    My Head Hurts. After seeing all those DX things…Nikon…I told you in the meeting..NO DX. No one listens anymore. Nikon Keep The Focus on FX.

    • Davo

      Nikon: not sure who to listen to. Sickheadache or Thom (buzz buzz). So we’ll just do our own thing.

      • sickheadache

        They are…DX and FX. But truly how serious will Nikon perform? What will be the MP count..and quality…They will not use…Sony Sensors…I saying this…and if Nikon produces a FX Mirrorless starting at 24mp..I know then..Nikon shots themselves in the foot. IT truly need to be high end MP Count…On the other side of midnight is Canon that will be introducing a high mp sensor..probably muddy…60mp plus. NIkon Please Pack fudge tightly. lol

        • Davo

          Hard to say but being last to market for a larger (than 1”) sensor mirrorless they better be competitive out of the blocks.
          I really don’t think MP really matters all that much anymore and I think whether Sony or otherwise, they’ll pick the most price/performance competitive sensor. Sony Semi should have quite a number of suitable sensors for mirrorless in their catalogue, before any Nikon customization. The 42mp Sony sensor is reportedly getting good yield so I doubt anybody will complain about the performance of that sensor. A73 is due out soon so an updated lower MP sensor suitable for mirrorless should also be around the corner.
          If Towerjazz can do better, then why not.
          High end, high MP sensor belongs in a D5x before any Nikon mirrorless offerings. The initial mirrorless offering will be chasing volume and market share so won’t be a high end model but subsequent high end stuff should follow.

    • Espen4u

      My guess is that the DX line is easier to replace. Because it’s consumer oriented, it doesn’t have such a legacy of unsold lenses in Nikons storehouses like surely the FX line has. And second, Nikon usually price their new toys out of the water. So by replacing the DX line in that market, prices could still be held in check.

  • Dino Brusco

    400 f/4 wow probably gonna cost as the 300 F/4 Nikon or less..

  • Eric Calabros

    Back focus distance in one of DX examples is just 13mm! Fixed lens?

    • jojo

      Not necessarily – Canon, Fuji, & Sony all have mirrorless mounts
      with a register distance (i.e. to flange of camera mount) of 18mm or just less.

  • vwking

    Most patents are filed and never used for product commercialization. It is hard to learn from this batch what new products will be introduced in the coming years. I personally think the Tamron telephotos are highly probable. Really have doubts about the Nikon curved sensor.

  • sexyjon

    Nikon is still filing new patents for the 1 system. That is interesting.

    • bgbs

      I like Nikon 1 . I can’t believ they left it in the dust.

      • Markus

        Me too, the V3 is one hell of a camera.

      • Pat Mann

        Me too. I was just waiting for the next enthusiast camera for this sensor size with built-in EVF and better user interface.

  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    These mirrorless patents look very ace to me and if Nikon does Nikon 2 4 or more lenses (DX / FF) upon announcement and on sale on day one would be good, along with a road map of development would be good comms. Depending on the Form / Mount factor, Nikon shouldn’t forget their Mirrored customer (who are bulk of their customers) and still produce updates to this mount, updates to some of their old lenses 105 AFS, 200mm Macro and also updating some of the lenses that are lacking perfection, e.g., 24-120 AFS F/4, etc.

  • jonebize

    I like the variable aperture lenses because they’re faster where it’s really needed (wide) and smaller than constant-aperture zooms. All the time I think, “I’d love using a 24-105mm if it were faster at the wide end.”

    • Pat Mann

      Just the reverse for me. Need more light for faster shutter speed with telephoto. But if it makes for a lighter, more compact, less expensive lens with the same image quality, I’ll go there rather than spend 2x as much for the f/2.8 constant aperture. Happy for f/4 zooms; where I need speed or narrow DOF I get a fast prime for that field of view.

    • Kind of agree with Pat here, but you made me remember the AF-D 28-105/3.5-4.5, really strong on the D700 and D3s, and not that bad on the 24 MP D600. And really liked its bokeh as an improvised portrait lens

  • 247th

    I’m more interested in the mount size. I hope they use this opportunity to create a larger & fully electronic lens mount.
    It would open up more possibilities for native lenses. as the tiny F mount has been the single factor in preventing Nikon from releasing more fast f/1.2 glass.

    • whisky

      “the tiny F mount has been the single factor in preventing Nikon from releasing more fast f/1.2 glass.”

      that, and cost.

      • Markus

        Do we need 1.2 lenses with the current sensor generation?

        • Espen4u

          Nah, I need 1.0 because then I would get one up one my canon friends (wouldn’t by it though, never ever).

          • BVS

            But Canon already made a 50 1.0, so you’ll need even faster.

            • Espen4u

              Gee thanks, that’s depressing. I’ll never win.

        • whisky

          bokeh queens and their creamy dreams.

  • Thomas Lawrence

    Nikon’s 20 year plan to create dx prime lenses continues. Gotta give them credit for sticking to their business plan.

  • whisky

    still hopeful a V4 is in the works.

    • Yeah, DL’s cancellation should give us some hope for a serious compact system. But we already know Nikon… Anyway I think that if they’re working really hard on DX and FX mirrorless systems, we won’t get on CX nothing more than some kind of signal like “we haven’t killed it yet”

  • Boby

    is nikon made APS-C Mirrorless camera?

  • AYWY

    If there is a new DX MILC, hope to have weather-resistant options. As tempting as the M5 price-performance ratio is, the lack of sealed options put me off. I shot through a few days of heavy drizzle/light rain and was glad a D610 and 18-35 are well-sealed enough to see me through without issues. (Internet search the guy who broke his Fuji 10-24mm twice shooting waterfalls because of too much moisture in the air.)

  • AnotherView

    Tamron 400/4. Hmmm

    • KnightPhoto

      Anything in the Tamron 400/4 patent that implies it is a Phase Fresnel lens?

      A longer PF like a 500 or 600 would be even better… whether f/5.6 or f/4…

  • BVS

    Looks like Nikon just patented a bunch of potential FX and DX kit lens designs and maybe one of each will get picked (or got picked) to be made.

  • Love to see some glitches regarding CX. Would love to see more Nikon adopting it like the P7700/P7800, DL line… were pointintg to: enthushiast advanced compact cameras, with no shitties.

  • Julian

    With a curved image sensor I guess the camera would not be compatible with any current Nikkor lenses, and hard to create an adapter for it or?

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