First Nikon Df camera price drop?



A few days ago a reader alerted me that he was able to purchase a brand new Nikon Df camera +  lens kit from B&H for $1,899. Initially, I thought this was a mistake, but the listings are still active at B&H:

There is no indication that this is a refurbished or used camera.

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  • LeGrandOrangeAndBlue

    I wasn’t even aware the Df is still in production. It’s due for a refinement, so a price drop makes sense.

    • This is the only Nikon camera that has kept its price since it was introduced in 2013.

      • Hmm,
        1. Due for a refresh
        2. 100th anniversary
        3. Price drop/B&H *discontinued*
        4. New D8XX model coming out –
        will hopefully lead to a new DF2 with D5 sensor not giving Nikon the product line cannibalization willies with the new D8XX, as the D8XX could be a low light monster?

        If there is a DF2 coming, do you think there is another style they will imitate or it will largely resemble DF? I would hope not.

        • Didn’t the Df come out more-or-less in parallel with the D4s (so Nikon updated its flagship as it passed the superseded sensor on to a lower-priced body)?

          It might point to a D5s being close.

          I like the Df’s look, I just don’t like some of the design compromises. Also I don’t like the fact that it’s way more bloated than the film cameras it impersonates. That said, I’ve never actually held one so the small grip might be a deal breaker (doesn’t seem to stop Fujifilm fans…).

          • TheInfinityPoint

            Yeah, like using the AF module from the D7000!

          • Stan Chung

            It’s one of the lightest FX cameras from Nikon if not the lightest and a joy to use except in extremely low light focusing or chasing sport.

            Whatever the haters say, it’ still an FX and holds its own in many depts esp. IQ. for it’s file size.

            • I’m far from a hater of the Df… My only real gripe at the time was the lack of video (why NOT have it if the hardware is all there anyway?). Today, I’d pick the D750, but I’m waiting for its successor or the D810’s, depending on the compromises Nikon makes.

        • Thylmuc

          assuming that a Df2 will remain the only Nikon camera with a classical, physical operating paradigm, I’d prefer the Nikon D810 or D820 sensor, since it combines high resolution with very good dynamic range, so is more versatile in its function.

          • Captain Megaton

            The D4 and D5 sensors are designed for high throughput first, high ISO second, and high dynamic range / high resolution last.

            Such sensors are an okay choice for a Df style camera, but not really the ideal one.

            • Stan Chung

              That’s what I thought as well. It was sold a slower thoughtful camera, it should have a larger sensor to take advantage of 4K-5K monitors and better computers, better lenses. Speed isn’t it’s selling point.

              I bought the DF for the retro look much like a souped up mini minor. DF2 should be a tricked up classic mercedes.

              It should differentiate from the other cameras and offer more as the DF2. Otherwise get the DF if it’s not going to be much different.

      • Thomas Douglas

        Over Priced! Dated! and shows Nikon is out of touch. But you get a out of date Nikkor 50mm 1.8G with a Silver Band for 50 dollars more than the regular 50mm G. Salute! We need a Slap Squad to go over to Japan and slap some reality into Nikon’s Board of Clucks.

      • Espen4u

        Maybe it’s a cultural thing. Mistakes like the Df and cpA ought to be forgotten.

        Neither was a really bad camera, but the compromises they did …and the pricing …and the out of touch retro-thingy. That’s what killed them. The hype was quite good though.

      • T.I.M

        Why not, as long there is idiots willing to pay full price for that crap…

        • tomskyphoto

          Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about…

          • T.I.M

            Probably not, I never had enough money to trash on a Nikon DF.
            I never had a Nikon FA gold edition neither.

            • Andrew

              T.I.M, you’re nearly the perfect gentleman, don’t use words like trash 😉

        • EarlFargis

          “Crap”? Not at all! I bought a Df and love it.

          Overpriced? Yep. I bought mine lightly used off Fleabay for even less than the price mentioned here for a refurbished unit.

          Like the retro body better than my D800 but would be very interested in a Df refresh using the new D5 sensor. More than willing to give up many bells and whistles for a much more reasonable retail price.

          I’m strictly an amateur so obviously my opinions may clash with the many pros here but the Df never has pro pretensions. Pros have plenty of Nikon bodies to chose from already.

          • bobgrant

            Df was a terrific camera, fun to use and excellent in the dark. Nonsense about the AF was just that because the Df did very well for me and also gave the best OOC results of ANY camera I’ve owned. Sold it because I know it’s due to be replaced, but I do hope they keep a retro design in the mix. Sure, I’m in my 50’s, but the Df FELT like a proper camera instead of a pregnant M&M.

            • I agree, I am a big fan of the Df as well.

          • Andrew

            If Nikon introduces the D750 replacement with a new image sensor at 24 MP, the Df2 might end up being a novelty camera with the D5 sensor; albeit a nice retro camera with no video capability as to not compete against the D5. But its ISO difference with the D760 will not be persuasive.

            But if the image sensor in the D760 increases to 28 MP then that would give the 20 MP sensor in the Df 2 a little more headroom to compete in low light situations and heighten its appeal.

            • Stan Chung

              New DF2 must have better AF and low light sensitivity. It’s ok but not great at the moment.

              I wouldn’t mind a larger MP DF2, I’m just not sure how much more.

              If it’s 24MP, it feels too close it’s predecessor and I would not want to keep the DF.

              If it’s 36MP, I’d definitely keep both.

            • Andrew

              I really do not see the Df2 inheriting the 36 MP image sensor (or a newer version of it) from the D810. I think Nikon will try to get more sales from the 20.8 MP sensor of the D5 to lower its manufacturing cost. The Df is Nikon’s retro camera it is an all weather camera giving you exceptional low light performance. To change its DNA would not seem right.

              I think the D760 is a D750 replacement that will likely move up to 28 MP in order to remove its AA filter. That will be a welcomed move by Nikon and will make this camera more attractive to me.

              I really feel that Nikon should create a newer 36 MP sensor for a new camera line as opposed to abandoning it for the 46 MP D820/D850 camera that is soon to be released.

            • Stan Chung

              That makes sense. If it’s 20-24MP, I’ll def sell the DF for the DF2. Hopefully it will not be plasticky. Some of the paint is getting ‘sanded’ off by the camera bag nylon.

        • YCo

          You two are implying that those who bought it were manipulated by the ‘hype’ or ‘nostalgia’ –
          I was sold on it because I can’t afford a D4 and this was the closest thing in terms of versatility and resolution, while still somewhat affordable. It’s a great camera, sturdy and yeah, it looks like a real camera. A good photographer will appreciate what all cameras can offer. If you’re not a good photographer, camera is worth that much money.

    • Verco

      If by refinement, you mean redesign it to be half the size

      • LeGrandOrangeAndBlue

        Yes, it could easily be the size of the FM-2, with a deeper grip.

        Great camera for wedding and portrait photography, though.

  • Richard Haw

    it went down by around $300 and then went back again. at least here in JP

    • Stan Chung

      Its 2300 in HK.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    Admin, even though the B&H product pages don’t state it upfront, the SKU# are for refurbished units (they all end with a “B”), so buyer beware.

    • Qwerxyz

      No, B = Black. S = Silver.

      • CaMeRa QuEsT

        Actually, SKU#s for black body only=1525, silver body only=1526, black lens kit=1527, silver lens kit=1528. Add suffix B to any Nikon SKU# for refurbished. You can look it up. Go ahead, take you time, I’ll be here.

    • Thom Hogan

      That’s correct. The listings pointed to are for refurbished models. The new models are still at the old price, even at B&H.

      • Michael Steinbach

        We’ll know tomorrow.

        • CaMeRa QuEsT

          So, did you receive a brand spanking new body or a refurb, and if a refurb, how many shutter actuations on it?

  • Stan Chung

    I bought this camera in 2014 for USD2300[RM7700 @3.3 exchange rate]
    It’s now at USD2100[RM9000 @45.3 exchange rate]

    No savings at all >.<.

    Damn corrupt/inept govt here

    • In Malaysia? Malaysian Ringgit ?
      Out of curiosity, are there any governments in your part of the world that don’t bend you over a barrel in this department?

      • Adrian Gopal

        Yes there is.

      • Stan Chung

        Yes, there are a couple, the Singapore & Brunei[pegged to SGD]dollar are holding up pretty well. An understatement really.
        The MYR once upon a time was 1 to 1 with the SGD. It’s now 1MYR to 0.32 cents.

  • Nelson L

    If the price drops, there is a replacement in the wings…

    • Thom Hogan

      And by corollary, if it doesn’t drop, there’s no replacement? ;~)

      Well, the price didn’t drop.

  • Fly Moon

    Is Nikon crazy?

    They have been selling a technology from 2013 at the same price!! Who do they think they are? Apple and the Mac Pros?

    • Snapbridge would probably work then though.

      I’ll get Nikon some ointment for that wound.

    • Richard Haw

      the Df is still selling pretty OK here in Japan. it’s a different story elsewhere

      • Thomas Douglas

        No..the Nikon 1 is still selling Great. White Camera, with White Lens, with a Japanese boy with white shirt, and white pants and white shoes. Nikon is one styling machine.

  • snappur

    B&H sent an e-mail recently to inform me that the Df was *discontinued*.

  • joey jojo

    got to say i love my Df, would love to see a replacement but I’m happy to buy another for “back up” at this price point

  • Who here would love a mini DF with a new Sony 1 inch sensor with an EVF?
    Nikon 1 mount or that DL UWA we never got, or just do the dirty and make a Nikon 1 mount UWA prime like the DL could have given us.

    My wallet would invent faster than light travel, because that’s how fast it would come out of my pocket to buy one.

    • I’d like Nikon to build an FX digital into a Nikon FM/FE/FA-sized body, even if they have to forego the rear LCD to make it thin enough (just put a decent wireless system in it and I can use my smartphone if I need to chimp shots).

    • David Peterson

      I just wish they’d relaunch the DL line up…. I really wanted that DL UWA camera!!

    • Thom Hogan

      I’m afraid that ship has sailed and sunk.

      • El Aura

        Do you think there will ever be an UWA-to-normal zoom by any manufacturer? Currently, if you want wider than 24 mm (equiv.), you can only get a maximum of 35/36 mm (equiv.) at the long end.

      • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

        true a miss opportunity for Nikon to have done something yonks / years ago

      • Tony Beach

        Sank in the harbor before it was ever launched.

    • 1-inch sensor cameras are a dead market especially since Sony is trying to fight with prices at all fronts for their mirrorless cameras A6000 series APS-C line and A7 line for full frame sensors.

      • Thom Hogan

        Sony is doing no such thing, actually. What they’re doing is discounting older models and leaving them in the lineup.

        New models have been going up in price for Sony at the same product point.

        • Thanks for clarifying.

  • Wade Marks

    If you go to the BH website and search for the Df, you get the same listings as usual with the higher prices. I think the other commenter is correct: these have a “B” at the end of the model number which indicates refurbished at BH.

    So I think this is simply a mistake on the part of BH.

    • Michael Steinbach

      I’ll let you know tomorrow when it arrives whether it’s a refurb or new. (Monday 6-26)

  • David Peterson

    Well about time it gets a price drop!! Has been out for waaaaaay long enough.

  • osynlig fog

    Fantastic camera. I moved to Fujifilm because they make new lenses with real aperture rings. But I loved my Df. Amazing image quality. Very fun to use.

    • Real aperture ring? You mean mechanical? Or is this a giant electronic dial like can be found on the camera?

      • Eddy Kamera

        He said real aperture ring. It means physical aperture ring around the lens that you can touch and rotate, just like old lenses. Mechanically or electronically linked,that’s another matter.

  • nwcs

    I’ve liked the idea of the Df but just couldn’t pull the trigger. The lower end autofocus sealed the deal. Maybe a Df2 will be the camera for the enthusiast without many compromises.

    • Eno

      Agree, the AF on the DF is just terrible. I think it wold have been a much better camera with just one, very good central AF point then with the useless D600 AF system. Most probably they were to afraid not to repeat the D700 success and cannibalize the D4s sales if the DF was to good. 🙂

      • Useless D600 AF system? This is overreacting a lot. I have shot birds-in-flight with the D600 as well as other action and it nailed it. Quite capable this camera. Useless would be the AF system of Pentax. Obviously you have never worked for a longer time with a D600 in different AF modes.

        • Eno

          I’ve owned the D600 for half an year, and although I was trilled with the image quality out of it, the AF was terrible! In the end I opted for a D800.
          Pentax AF is beyond terrible for my needs, but for casual and landscape work it’s fine. 🙂

          • I cannot confirm that the D600 AF is really terrible. It is my main camera for everything. What do you have photographed to get this conclusion?

            • Eno

              Live events like weddings, conferences, concerts etc. 🙂

            • So you mean the AF didn’t nailed it in artificial light and was out-of-focus? Was the speed in lower light a concern? Less sensitive (and thus slower)? Or do you mean the focus points coverage in the viewfinder not big enough? Please explain and to what are you comparing it if you say terrible?

            • Eno

              A combination of all of the above. The coverage is terrible so I was only using the central focus point but that also wasn’t good enough after the light got a little bit lower.

            • Ok, i understand. That is reasonable. The AF for low light got better with the release of the D750 with the AF module able to focus down to -3 EV which is a lot more sensitive for low light.

            • Eno

              I think the AF from D800 differs from the one from D750 but both of them are much better than the one found on the D7000, D600 and DF.

      • Sandy Bartlett

        Baloney. The AF of the D600 and DF is perfectly fine if not top shelf. Certainly better than anything Ricoh, Fuji or Sony offer in a DSLR. I have used that AF extesivly, it is accurate and fast. Read Hogan review. For an apt description.

        • Eno

          Fuji and Sony current mirrorless cameras, are much better in regards to AF compared to the D600. I wander why are you trying to defend such a terrible AF system? It’s just terrible, tray something else for comparison and see for yourself, you’ll be enlightened!

          • Andrew

            You seem to be comparing apples with oranges which invalidates your argument. The D600 was released in September 2012 which is approximately 5 years ago and you are comparing it with Sony’s “current” mirrorless cameras? The D750 was released two years later and so the improvements in its autofocus performance over the D600 is justifiable.

            When you use words like “terrible” is it quite subjective and in this case a misrepresentation of the D600 especially in deciding to compare it with future innovations. When the D600 was release, professionals were not complaining that its autofocus performance in low light environments was terrible. But now the bar has been raised which should be a cause for celebration 😉

            • Eno

              Nikon DF was announced in Nov 5, 2013 and although the price was similar to the D800 (a 2012 camera), the AF was the same terrible one found in the D600.

              Give me a break please, the D600 AF is just bad, end of story! I had that camera for 6 mounts and I know very well what I’m saying. 🙂

            • Andrew

              I understand your personal views completely and no doubt the D750 hit the sweet spot. Its autofocus abilities make focusing in low light no longer an issue 🙂

            • Eno

              Exactly!

            • Captain Megaton

              It’s accurate and reliable. It is slower overall than the D750, does not catch so well in low light, and has a smaller coverage area and fewer points. It is not bad by any metric, however.

              That said, no Nikon camera priced *above* the D750 should have a an AF module *worse* than the D750, making the Df something of a lame duck camera these last two years.

  • Please Nikon make a digital Nikon S or M rangefinder rather then a straight up DF2 retro looking slr. The S looks gorgeous and it would fly off the shelves! If possible they could keep the s mount so people could use old lenses doubling up the retro appeal.

    • T.I.M
      • Nothing wrong with a little competition though. Plus I’m not really requesting Nikon to make it as i want it(alough could be fun as a second camera) but because i want Nikon to succeed and not go under. Oh and i was thinking of an s or m rangefinder with multiple lenses not fixed.

        P.s. Don’t you find the massive copyright statement in your images a little off putting? Personally don’t bother its not going to stop people cropping it out and using your images any way.

    • Yes, even if they redo their film Nikon SP camera like they did back in 2005. They will sell all of them with zero r&d expenses. Nikon should learn something from Leica.

      • Michiel953

        Zero r&d costs? On what cloud do you live?

        • The Nikon SP is an existing film camera. What is there to research and develop? The last time they produced it, they had to do a lottery – this is how big the demand was. If they do another production run, it will sell out again. Easy money if you ask me – ask Leica, they do that all the time and their profits are going up every year.

          • Michiel953

            Sorry to have to say that, but you really are clueless. Look up the r&d and manufacturing history of the FM3a (a riveting read) and you may get the picture.

            Times, in manufacturing as well as everything else (craftsmen pensioned off, materials, etc etc, the list goes on), have changed, but that phenomenon may have escaped you.

            • They did it in 2005, I see no reason why they cannot do it again. Are you telling me that Nikon cannot find materials to build parts for a SP film rangefinder? Or that they cannot find anyone that can assemble it? I am not talking about mass production here, just a limited run for their 100 year anniversary.

            • Thom Hogan

              Yes, that’s exactly what happened. Rangefinders are not exactly off-the-shelf parts and the SP version was particularly difficult to build.

              Now, they could have engineered an entirely new system as Fujifilm did, but that is a real R&D expense for what return? Back then I’m pretty sure no one at Nikon thought there would be a return on such an investment, and they had many, many other things they needed to produce to stay competitive.

            • Michiel953

              It was a colossal and loss making job for the FM3a, even more so for the SP. Manufacturing methods, materials and experience go out of fashion like bell bottomed trousers. Even if manufacturing drawings would still be available, the old machines and craftsmen and -women would not. It’s not impossible, but it’s a hell of a job.

            • Ben
          • EnPassant

            2005 film was still relevant. The SP limited kit is a bit rare and therefore still sell for high prices. Used S3 2000 kits on the other hand sells for around $ 1k.
            If Nikon instead rereleased that S Olympia version 50/1.4 in M-mount for a decent price, like the Voigtländer Nokton50/1.5 I might be interested.

            • I just think this was going to be a better way to celebrate their 100 years compared to the product they offered.

            • Probably Nikon don’t wanted to have the perception that they are old school and stuck in the film days or they are so proud of the D5 and D500 that they wanted to make these 100 years items along with the trinity lenses. Maybe we can understand it backwards: If Nikon starts to go mirrorless then the 100 year anniversary items become a homage to DSLRs.

              PS: Beside this mirrorless hype i would prefer a hybrid viewfinder but that maybe means SLT which Sony has already done. Otherwise i am already happy with the D600. I don’t need mirrorless at all.

            • Thom Hogan

              There are two ways to celebrate such an anniversary, and Nikon has managed to choose “neither.” (1) Pull something seminal from the past and modernize it (the SP idea); and (2) Announce the future.

              Of course, Nikon still has until July 2018 to do #2, as technically you can always use the “kick off the next 100 years” approach.

            • They can still “pre-announce” something next month and release it later – that way they will limit any potential leaks and deliver a surprise for their 100th birthday. At least this is what I would do.

            • Thom Hogan

              I’m not a fan of pre-announce. I’ve studied this for decades now, and I have no evidence this does anything other than stall current sales and help competitors target marketing.

              In the old computing world a version of this was called FUD marketing (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). By announcing something that seemed better on vague details, you looked to stall competitive sales while you actually tried to create what you promised. It often didn’t really hamper competitors, and if when you finally did make it to market with something not quite as expected, it hurt you, too.

              Moreover, FUD really only has some measurable impact when you are the biggest player in the market (e.g. IBM and Microsoft when they tried it). Nikon is a rapidly declining player. It might work for Canon to try that, but not Nikon.

              Nikon is in a position now where they can afford no more miscues. The D7500 proves just how tight a rope they’re walking, and I’d tend to count several design decisions on that camera as miscues that will impact sales. If they were to make similar miscues in the D810 update, they would be sealing their fate, I think.

              I’ve argued this behind the scenes with a number of folk in the industry and ones analyzing the industry. Nikon still has time to come up with the products that would hold #2 market share in ILC and staunch their sales decline. Not a lot of time. Probably Photokina 2018 will seal their fate one way or another. No mirrorless plan that works by then and they’ll have made a mistake that will be written about by business magazines and schools.

              But trying to look more relevant by pre-announcing would just hurt them more than announcing a real product when it’s ready.

              All that said, I’ll say this: Nikon’s biggest problem isn’t product. It’s customer interaction of all kinds. Nikon has blown almost all of their goodwill now. Their marketing seems random, naive, and mostly price based, all signs of an organization that has lost touch with its customer.

            • I just think they just have to show some proof of life because they haven’t so far. Waiting till the 2018 Photokina could be too late in my opinion. Yes, they have the D810 replacement coming, but this will not be enough. Hopefully they have something we don’t know of.

            • Thom Hogan

              Proof of life isn’t enough now, unfortunately. They’ve done three consecutive modest iterations, with another coming, they’ve done some great lenses, we’re still less than two years into the D5/D500.

              What people are wondering about is whether Nikon has any future shift that indicates they get what those 3m+/year mirrorless cameras have been all about, and unfortunately because they’ll be dead last to enter that market, it had better be good, not just a proof of life.

              2018 is an “all hands on deck, do your best work, make us relevant again” year for Nikon. Which argues for not celebrating 100th with a look-back camera but 101st with look-forward camera.

              But as I’ve noted, the window is closing for them. Sony is only a few lenses away from grabbing another chunk of Nikon pros. Canon is executing on plan and not seeming to disconnect with customers like Nikon has.

            • “Canon is executing on plan and not seeming to disconnect with customers like Nikon has.”

              I really don’t understand why there isn’t somebody in charge at Nikon to restore and rebuild this problem? Having a job position that exactly is about customer satisfaction and feedback. This both (together with the marketing) are the main issues because the products are fine.

            • “Nikon’s biggest problem isn’t product. It’s customer interaction of all kinds. Nikon has blown almost all of their goodwill now. Their marketing seems random, naive,”

              Exactly the same impression i have when i look at Facebook, Instagram and any other social media channel. They can’t really put the product itself into focus and make it interesting in a way that people keep talking about that. It is all about perception these days on the Internet.

            • Aphidman

              I think that I am a member of what appears to be a tiny market segment for which the D7500 is a genuine advancement (a D5300 owner who wants a bigger buffer and more FPS and more control points and a touch screen). I am looking forward to your review of the D7500; in particular, how real shooting with it compares to real shooting with the D7200. [And enjoy your holiday away from the Internet in July!]

            • Thom Hogan

              Please note that I’ve been running a D7500 impressions blog since it arrived, and will continue to do that up until I review the camera. See http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/the-d7500-blog/.

            • Aphidman

              Indeed, I’ve been following it faithfully. Will you be using the D7500 on your excursion?

            • Thom Hogan

              No, because the ACR support isn’t there yet. I’ll be doing a lot of shooting with it in August, though.

          • I wish Nikon would to this – it would also make a positive sign to the photo community. Building cameras with love is something that attracts people way more than mass producing items that look everywhere the same.

          • Thom Hogan

            Actually, the last time they decided to produce it Nikon discovered that they had thrown out all the molds and special tools necessary to build it. Particularly the viewfinder.

  • Дмитрий

    sony a6300 beter. 4k little body

    • Antonio

      Too many “K”s as this was intentionally built as a photo only camera so 0(zero)K was the optimal video definition. 🙂 🙂

  • sickheadache

    I do use the D810…but Dear Nikon…When will you guys grow up..This not needed, over priced even in 2013…TWO THOUSAND AND 13!! Was over priced and not even needed. Nikon Cancels the DL Products, but this over priced stays on their production list.

    • Antonio

      There are plenty of people that disagree with you as they bought the DF that seems to sell quite well in the land of the rising sun and in a way Nikon didn’t see the need to cut prices or make big promotions to clean inventory.

    • It’s a lovely camera. Maybe not for you.

      • sickheadache

        it is thing called Logic…That Silver Ban 50mm 1.8 G lens is 50 Dollars more than the Non Silver Ban 50mm 1.8 G Lens….the AF is all screwed up…I do read reviews..and all complained about that fact. Over Priced, and Still after being on the same market for almost 4 long years without improvements…No bargain. Was not even 4 long years ago. Nikon Please Grow up.

        • Think of it more as a collectors item because of the design and vintage approach. It is nothing that needs to compete against other Nikon products and stands on it’s own. Kind of Leica thing. A camera for photo lovers that can connect with emotions to this camera because it reminds them about photo history.

          • Captain Megaton

            All the same, the Df is now past its sell-by-date.

            • Says who? Because of the tech specs?

            • Captain Megaton

              Says me, because of the D750.

            • Thom Hogan

              16mp, poor autofocus, not-really optimized manual focus, odd controls that are a bit Frankencamera. The problem is that competitors are making cameras that are more fully realized than a Df, and with specs and performance that are higher, too.

            • I would appreciate if Nikon would see what FUJI has done with it’s X-T2 and refine the Df for it. The market is there for such a camera due to it’s design. Retro is trendy.

            • Hector Gonzalez

              I agree, fuji took the an old Nikon design and created an awesome camera, Nikon can make it better by making it FF, hoping the pull the trigger in july 2017, nikon first mirrorles FF: Nikon DM, I already switch to Fuji, but keep my Nikon lens, if you make it I would buy it!!!!

            • nwcs

              Fuji didn’t take a Nikon design for the XT series. They have plenty of their own film cameras to use as inspiration. Just look at the Fujicas. Just like they didn’t copy Leica but had their own rangefinders for inspiration.

            • Thylmuc

              more like Contax, in particular the RTS

    • MonkeySpanner

      I am on the fence on this one. I really like the idea of the Df – but damn – they could have put a better AF system in. And no video – wtf – doesn’t it cost more not to include that – even if it is all software implemented with no physical buttons (in case they don’t want to mess up the art work). Cancelling DL – smh – can’t figure that out at all.

      • If Nikon is interested in a Df2 version they should look at the FUJI X-T2. It is a interesting camera with highly developed technology.

  • paulski

    The main reason I would still consider a Df is to get my hands on that d4 sensor and its amazing low-light performance. Of course, I just saw a used d4 in excellent condition with fewer than 100,000 shutter actuations selling for $2000. At which point $1899 for a new Df doesn’t really seem like much of a bargain anymore.

    If only they had given the Df a better screen for manual focusing; then it may have justified all of the hype about getting back to real photography.

    • Thom Hogan

      Right. The D4 is a better choice in that situation, and you might be able to get one cheaper if you’re patient and thorough in looking around. But at the same time it’s not the same camera. The D4 is the biggest FX Nikon makes, the Df the smallest. That seems to count for some people, mostly those still using a small set of primes.

      • The Df would be the smarter “walk around” camera if you’re out taking a hike.

        • Thom Hogan

          Sure, and the D4 would be the smarter camera for most other things.

          • Not my kind of favorite but surely it’s a beast and workhorse. 🙂 I am on the smaller and lighter side of Nikon bodies such as a D610 or D750 🙂

  • Regarding price: Well, it maybe does also compete against a FUJI X-T2 which is having a similar design and control approach. The FUJI doesn’t cost much more but contains newer technology.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Yeah, well except one has an incredible Nikon FF sensor with Nikon AF, yes, they are both camera’s.

      • Sure, i would prefer the Df as i have some Nikon lenses. Nikon should refine the Df and make it even more sophisticated as a high quality product. Those cameras attract a lot of people due to their design and love of detail.

  • I use (2) Df’s along with (2) EM1 II’s in my wedding photography business. I like smaller, lighter weight bodies for 12 hour days. The Df is highly underrated for wedding and portrait photography. The AF could be improved for sure and I’d love to see dual slots and more focus points. I get excited when I see this camera in the headline, but it appears to be another false alarm for a refresh. Bummer – I’d love to see a sequel.

    • bobgrant

      It’s only underrated by spec-junkies. I know people who use the Df in their wedding kits (as well as the D600) and they are perfectly fine for AF and of course IQ is great. People were doing GREAT work with less AF systems before the Df. If you can’t work with the Df auto focus I can say that it’s user error. The Df remains a GIANT for natural light portrait work, assuming you know what you’re doing.

      • Captain Megaton

        Glad that you mention the D600 as I can’t honestly see how a Df is better than it for paid event work.

      • The D600 AF is not that low light sensitive like in the D750 which goes down to – 3 EV. That is maybe the only thing that could matter for wedding.

  • FountainHead

    Give us a Df2 done right.

  • bobgrant

    Df is better in low light and “better” if that’s what the shooter is more comfortable shooting with. The differences between these modern DSLRs is pretty small when used correctly. When people talk about “better this or that” they should probably forget AF and MP specs and take a class on composition. I enjoyed using the Df differently from my D810. Neither is “better.” Just different tools chosen to suit my needs and the needs of the subject.

    • Captain Megaton

      I understand how the Df is better-suited for the hobbyist, for travel, a smaller and lighter body for using Ai lenses on. I’m just skeptical it is of any real benefit over the D600 for a professional application like event coverage. The low light “advantage” is as trivial as the resolution “advantage” of the D600, while the Df controls and handling aren’t really built for speed or convenience with modern G lenses.

      • bobgrant

        It’s a benefit if the shooter prefers the interface and feel of that camera. Don’t kid yourself about the Df and D4s sensor because it’s still top shelf. I skipped the D600 line because it doesn’t excel in any specific area, while other Nikon cameras generally do. Yes, as I said, differences are small but a talented shooter picks the tools that they’re comfortable with. That will override what YOU or I might prioritize.

        • Captain Megaton

          Well, sure, but “they would use a Df because they prefer to use a Df” doesn’t address *why* they might prefer to use a Df. A lot of the Df’s unique “quirks” – locked mode dial, small top LCD, small, slippery grip – would seem on the face of it to actively count against it in a professional, rather than amateur enthusiast, environment.

          • bobgrant

            Sorry, but I did not like the handling of the D600 and much preferred the Df. I’m a professional and like many, wanted a sensor that matched the qualities of the D4 and D4s, which also made the post workflow far smoother. The D600 is not in that arena. I currently shoot the D810, D5, D500, but these days shoot for catalogue and rarely do an event. I’m not knocking the D600. I know people who used them to make good money. But the Df fit with the D4s in a way that the D600 just couldn’t.

          • That’s right. A Df would look strange with a Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 lens on it, which is also a tool that is a excellent workhorse for wedding photography. it matches or complements the D600 in a better way. The same applies to a SB-900 flash on top of it.

  • Well, the price is back to what it’s been from the start, so if this was, in fact, a deal it didn’t last long. Those lower prices were what I paid Adorama a couple years ago for factory refurb.

  • Here is a Nikon Df and Nikon gear gallery i have collected on my Flickr account. It is eye candy and shows mostly the Df at various pictures:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jorge-pino/galleries/72157652476304578/

    I made this collection because it’s a beautiful camera.

    • Michiel953

      I agree it’s a beautiful camera!

      • Yes, Nikon could combine the great look of this beauty with modern technology and sell cameras like FUJI is doing with the X-T2. I would love to buy such a refined Df, too. It is a classic and timeless design.

  • Michiel953

    Whilst I agree the Df is a beautiful camera (I tried it out on the street for half an hour or so some years ago), I was wondering what Df users think of the handling.

    For my glove size 9, medium sized hands the grip of the D810, its size and heft, are near perfect. The front and rear dials, in A or M, the viewfinder, brightness and info, near perfect. Exp comp adjustment not so good.

    All these traits are, imho, a sign of progress, continuous development and improvement. Switching to a number of metal dials on the top plate seems regression, but in actual use?

    My FM2n is very intuitive in use: aperture with the left hand, shutterspeed with the right indexfinger (my F and F2 won’t let me do that!) because the shutterspeed dial isn’t overly stiff but is placed well to the front of the top plate.

    Any user comments welcome! Actually one of my (pro) photographer

    friends works with a Df; maybe I should borrow it for a while…

    • Captain Megaton

      I have several issues with the Df.

      1. The camera is too big, and too unbalanced, to be able to pull off the FM2 design aesthetic and handling they were aiming for. The concept is sound but the camera isn’t the right size and shape to make it work.

      2. The locking dials drive me nuts. ISO, EV, mode, and shutter dials ALL require some addition action to unlock. None rotate freely. This is the double-belt and suspenders approach to camera UI and I hate it.

      3. Too many UI complications/concessions were required for the camera to work properly with every F-mount lens ever made. Again, noble goal – but a bridge too far.

      I wish they had carried their convictions over the end line and made the Df as a finely-wrought specialist tool for Ai lenses only.

      • Michiel953

        Yeah. I’m using three 600grs 1.4G primes. They look out of place on a Df (as if looks were all that counts), can’t remember about the balance, but that measly grip looks like a problem.

        I really should use my older mf Ai/AiS primes on the Df, but it all sounds too much like regression, coming from a D810 (for all accounts and purposes the best allround ff camera on the market) based system.

  • Michiel953

    P.s.: EUR 1700 black body only, EUR 1800 with that 50 SE, now in Holland. Silver EUR 100 more… The call it ‘outlet’…

  • If you want a good laugh, check this out: https://www.adorama.com/inkdfbc.html

    I was looking to see if anyone was indeed discounting the Df. Of course, there are always “kits” or bundles that offer savings that can’t be applied directly to the cameras. This one is funny…it includes a video light and shotgun mic.

    • Michiel953

      Pete, for a reasonable mark-up, shipping costs, disclamer, indemnity and all that I’m perfectly willing to send a few Df’s to you…

      • Will you include accessories that can’t be used on the camera?

        • Michiel953

          If you insist and at a price!

          • You should give up the law and start a camera shop. 🙂

            • Michiel953

              That should give me tax deductable trips to Vegas, Cologne, everywhere!
              Oh wait, I can do that now too…

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    Oh, bugger… Still, it’s good value if it came with a low shutter count, I’ve bought a ton of refurb DX gear and haven’t had a dud even once, though refurb FX bodies usually come with higher shutter counts because unscrupulous professional photogs will “buy” a body, use it for gigs for the duration of the 30 day return period and then send it back for a refund. Did you check it to see if the body had any blemishes?

    • Michael Steinbach

      Really clean, no marks that I saw.

  • The Df is a fantastic camera with machined metal controls and superb imaging output. It’s more relevant today than it was when it was introduced in 2013.

  • I wish they just release the full potential of whatever there is with a firmware upgrade. , like Fuji did with XT2 .I do not miss the video and love the lord of the darkness.

    As an aside, even amongst people who only know about point and shoot the Df doesn’t fail to get a compliment ; the D750/D7200 owners want to test it out. I don’t feel like doing the same to their camera.

    It is racism and untouchability combined in one camera.

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