The 2016 PhotoPlus show is now over. Here are some pictures and videos from the show's floor:
Pictures credit: Spy Black
Hands on with the new Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR lens:
Three interviews with Nikon from Cameta Camera:
While it’s nice to see a refresh on the 70-200, it would be even more awesome to see a D900. I’ll probably pick up two of those while I may hold off on the 70-200 unless there is something really cool about it I’m missing. If there were a D900 being announced, when would it be most likely?
You’d pick up 2x D900 but hold off from the 70-200mm? Damn Nikon clearly did no market research and should have come to YOU!
Same here. Would not upgrade my existing 70-200 but would snap up a D900 instantaneously, which should be due anytime soon (D800 released early 2012, D810 released early 2014)
Me as well. I have no problem with the current 70-200 VR2, but I am looking forward to the D810 successor and I will certainly buy when it comes out.
yep, very true for me too
yep, me too
Right on Art. Nikon released products so far this year is disappointing and uninspired. I’m looking more and more to the 5DS R Mark II.
Don’t be too hard on them. As has been mentioned before, the pixel density of today’s sensors has been reaching the maximum resolution of the current crop of lenses. I think now we are seeing a situation where the resolutions of the factory lenses and sensors are chasing each other. It’s got to create some interesting issues for Nikon and the other camera manufacturers. This is especially the case since lenses have to remain somewhat affordable while entire lens lines must be updated. At the same time, moving things forward on the camera front is critical and when the D900 comes out, I’d bet it has 54MP. (Same pixel density as the D7200 but full frame). This is IMHO pretty exciting if true and when you look at what features are in the D500. Come on Nikon, let’s get things rolling….. you’ve got two body sales with me.
I dont mind shooting uncomfortably for say 2k ? 😛
No whiff of D900…….
Yeah right. Not even a hint. Boo Nikon.
I understand people don’t like change when it comes to their tools of business but I think the change to the front zoom ring on the new 70-200 is a positive one. The lens is not heavy so it should be quite comfortable to use the tripod foot as a resting point on the palm, the forward position of the ring is in my opinion much more comfortable than flexing the wrist back while resting on the foot as it is on the previous models.
Yeah makes more sense if you have the tripod collar on it to have the outer zoom ring with it off not so much though.
When having the tripod collar rested on my palm, I easily am able to use the focus ring on the vrii version. So not a big deal for me.
people complaining that a sigma art prime lens weighs a kilo and you dont need to use your hand far from your body to cup and stabilize with your palm under the camera and youre saying the 70-200 is not heavy with basically your arm reaching out and your shoulder is used to stabilize freely in the air a 1430gram lens? really? continuous shooting for 1-2 minutes?
as a bodybuilder the lens is not heavy per say as a weight, but to shoot “stabilized” with your hand out freely holding in air vs having your arm 90º by your side tucked in for a monopod type effect is a huge fail. I get tired holding it after some time and I even tuck my arms in that basically act like a tripod suport to remove weight, but here, my arm will be extended all the time. basically like a front barbell raise.
even being able to frame consistently (same frame) is a problem. this a big deal. a huge deal. this is not good at all. mostly this will affect pros who use the lens in demanding situations. the regular amateur wont have an issue. just like they didnt with the 70-200VR2 focus breathing. all my lenses are rear zoom and a pro needs things that does it well and doesnt hinder his ergonomic workflow. specifically wedding photogs who are under extreme stress.
I can quickly lift up the d4/70-200vr1 combo up from my holster and shoot one handed for a quick shot but youre gonna tell us that 1.4kg (no camera) is not heavy with your arm freely out vs, resting it up against your body?
I agree with mansurov and polin. this is not good.
Yeah you pretty much got it right… people who don’t understand this is because they dont shoot handheld for long periods of time… I like how you distinguished from a stabilized shot and simply being able hold the weight of the lens (again only someone with experience handheld shooting knows this). Just because you can handhold the lens all day dont mean your photos wont have motion blurrness (VR included). The technique of holding the lens is essential in optaining tack sharp photos (especially at 200mm) If I owned this lens I would probably wrap and lock the focusing ring with gaffers tape.
thank you. it will tire people out quicker than having the focus ring close to the body where you can tuck and LOCK your elbow in to your side/ obliques and rest the weight there for a support. here the arm is extended out freely. this extended lens which acts as a leverage bringing down the camera while your arm and back are not only pulling and lifting but trying to stabilize for a blur free shot. now you cant lock the elbow because the arm is extended out more. you could possibly do it if you shot sideways but thats a hindrance that limits how ergonomic workflow happens. im sure the lens will deliver great results. not significantly better than the vr2. all the 70/80-200 were better incrementally each version.
“If I owned this lens I would probably wrap and lock the focusing ring with gaffers tape.”
fantastic idea. I almost never use the focus ring.
The locking of the arm is a very popular technique. I think nikon is bluffing when saying “many requested this change” and they simply did it to cover up a technical design convenience.
bravo! its an old technique. I used it many times to shoot pictures with very low shutter. tuck in hard, deep breath, exhale, hold and shoot. I dont believe nikon with that “many requested this change” either
Make sure you don’t use that Nikon gaffa tape, those idiots switched the sticky and non sticky sides…completely screws up the way you use it, lol.
I agree that this lens is a more awkward hold if you are taking the foot off, no doubt, but with the new placement of the ring I think the zoom ring is more naturally accessible with the foot attached than the previous version. I’m not sure what kind of body builder you are but apparently show muscles aren’t very effective. I’m a small guy but I handhold my two biggest lenses for day long events (14hours) and they are the 500mm f4g and Sigma 120-300mm 2.8, both of which would be more challenging to handhold if they didn’t have a foot on to lower my arm and brace my elbow against my chest. I’m not saying it was the best move in company history but just try it with one of the current lenses, put the foot on, brace your left elbow against your chest, have your fingers use the focus ring pivoting off of the foot, I tried with an old 70-200 vri and I liked the feel of it because I was not craning my wrist backwards and I thought it provided a more solid and steady base
I have the VR1. I have the foot off in my beg. its ok on or off, and ive shot with it on for a long time, but I just have it off because between the two options its a bit better off. plus less issues with the strap catching under at times. sometimes the locking knob comes undone and when I grab the lens for a must have shot, the foot is turned to the left and bothers me to get the shot comfortably. the less possible problems the better and “palm under camera, two fingers to zoom” method is better of the two, for me at least. I used to use the tripod foot since I had my first sigma 70-200 HSM then the 80-200 AFS. kept with it with the VR1 but prefer without. to each his own buddy.
I know many thinner smaller dudes in the gym who are very strong. size means shit but point is EVEN THOUGH I bb, the weight isnt an issue per say at a 1.5kg weight as a weight, but for stabilized shooting the technique to tuck your elbow in to your side and lock it and just lay your lens in the left hand as a support is fantastic for consistent shooting. now with the zoom ring outwards the shoulder is at work since the elbow cant be tight up against the body. in fact I can just tuck my left elbow in hard into my side and have my left hand to move the 70-200 like its on a gimbal. just by turning my midsection left and right.
you arent the norm for people who this is a problem for. if youre shooting with these 2 monster tele.its not the same technique one uses for telephoto lenses vs a versatile 70-200. for wedding photogs we need specific gear and conditions to try to relieve as much stress as possible. we are always under stress of “you must get the shot” shooting through people many times without interrupting or staging. and all while trying to do it in the most creative angle/perspective.
Yeah you definitely have your points, the sigma zoom while versatile is definitely not nimble haha. My main hope is that Nikon doesn’t flop on this release because this is such a critical product in their lineup, if they are successful in selling lots it will allow for more R&D funding that will benefit all Nikon users. I think the change has benefits and disadvantages but I think the performance will be enough to make people forget about its downfalls
I want to smack the guy on the right. at least show some interest. his eyes and his hands in pocket says body language of “meh, whatever”
Didn’t he kind of admit he didn’t really know anything about the products he was inquiring about?
not an issue. its just disrespectful how his body language shows “dude, whatever” youre doing the interview, at least make believe like youre taking interest. turn your body towards the guy a bit, look towards him. dont look like you want to nap. the guy is excited to explain and the interviewers eyes are all over when the nikon guy is talking. not cool.
I know waiting for the next thing is a lot of fun and the main reason we are all here but the reality is that whatever the D900 brings it’ll likely not really make that much of a difference in your ability to “take a good photograph”. 🙂
its not the case with any camera available today. all can take great images. moving into the difficult areas like fast moving object, low light and fps is where specific cameras will be better.
@jon_mcguffin:disqus is talking about the photographers ability, you are talking about the camera’s technical ability. Two very different things!
I do laugh when I see so many comments about going for new models when the cameras people have are just a year or so old, you want to shoot with the professionals I shoot with daily, their cameras are years old, and swapped when needed/worn out, why would I go for a new camera when what I have is as good as the day I bought it.
WHY would I swap my D810(S) or D4S9S) for newer models other than to show off, as for my lenses, all best Nikkors, again, my 70-200 is not going to stop working just because a new one is out, it is ME who does the photography not the lens, and as long as that is a quality lens Ill save my money.
Some people just like the latest camera, others because they have done hundreds of thousands of photo and their camera is fall to bits.
With the D800/D810 I think we got to the point where you don’t need to upgrade the camera cause the resolution is just so high and the low light ability is so good.
Personally the one reason I would upgrade to the D810 replacement is because the manual range finder system of my D800 isn’t accurate enough to manually focus my 85mm, when the aperture is wide open and I have tested the D5 and D500 and it is very accurate. This would allow me to focus manually hand held, instead of mounting to a tripod, which would make like quicker.
Have you considered that the improved focusing accuracy may in part be due to the lower pixel count in the D5 and D500 (20 vs. 36)? At 36MP+, I’d use zoomed-in live view coming off the sensor to do critical, manual focusing adjustments. Surely the D5/D500 AF system is faster, better, and smarter in AF (and if you believe Nikon’s ads, likely to make you more handsome and debonair), but manual focus depends on the focusing system located 12″ behind the lens.
Yes, I had considered that but the D500 pixel density is 5.68 MP/cm², whilst the D810 is 6.62 MP/cm², so the lower pixel count shouldn’t be a factor.
The Range finder system in the D800 is ok, up to 58mm, at f/1.4 but beyond that it just doesn’t get the critical focus accurate enough. The new system does seem to be much more accurate, when I tested it and looked back at all the images.
I regularly use live view to focus but it is slow and if your subject decides to change their expression or do something you can too easily lose the shot.
With the D810 replacement, I will test it before I buy it anyway. If it isn’t up to scratch and doesn’t achieve the results I am after I will just stay with my D800.
The other option is if Nikon release a full frame mirrorless. I often use my Fuji X-E1 with built in EVF to manual focus and they system works really well (unlike the fuji’s AF). That is if it happens.
Stop telling the truth about pro photographers and the use of old, beat up equipment or you’ll never be a Socanikolymsonic “Ambassador” a/k/a Shill! Camera companies need to sell the “pro” fantasy to amateurs and GWC’s.
FYI, nothing’s changed–back in the film dark ages, aka 1980’s, amateurs often had better toys than pros and still took lousy photos (lousier, actually, there being little automation and no auto focus).
🙂 🙂 🙂
You make a good point about amateurs having better toys than pros, but it’s always been so. I go back to the even-earlier “dark ages” of the early 1960s (I got my first Nikon in 1962), and Nikon (via EPOI) really was kept alive in the U.S by rich doctors, lawyers and dentists and NASA buying the bulk of the “exotic” gear…
Same thing in the ’70s. When the Nikon F2 came out in 1971, it was extremely hard to come by at first. I was living in Dallas at the time, and knew an SMU Coed who had one for her journalism class — her rich oilman daddy paid Neiman-Marcus to get one for her (at the time, Neiman’s prided itself on being able to get ANYTHING a customer wanted and could afford.) I suspect Neiman’s sent someone to Japan, greased a few palms here and there, and got the camera legally into the U.S.
It’s because people don’t know how to take good photographs. Such guys are never reading these operating manuals and they perform every shot in full automatic mode.
PhotoPlus show? WHERE? Why do I have to look so hard and then still not see where this show is,. (Looks like Javits Center, NY).
Is it held anywhere else?
how would I know? if I don’t know, I don’t know.
hence my question…
It’s always been at Javits, unless it wad a roving expo.
So… what’s the hot deal at the Nikon Photobooth? You get an extra cactus with your -matchbox- err Keymission?
the show was whack, the people at the Nikon both were not very nice, when asking questions and demos on the new product. I walk away regretting owning Nikon equipment they are hitting bottom.
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