Weekly Nikon news flash #344

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→ The new Mastering the Nikon D750 book is now available. You can get 40% off the ebook version directly from rockynook.com with coupon code "PHOTORUMORS".

Rare 1962 Nikkorex SLR camera
→ Rare 1962 Nikkorex SLR camera listed on eBay for $30,000:

"Produced over 50 years ago by Nippon Kogaku, Nikkorex F is the second SLR camera produced after the Nikon F for use with the Nikkor series of lenses. It is a hybrid using an external light meter that is connected to the Nikkor lens setting guide operating the same as an internal light meter. The selenium powered light meter and camera does not use batteries."

→ Top cameras on flickr for 2015 based on EXIF data: Nikon is 3rd with 16%. Only 3% of all flickr pictures were taken with a mirrorless camera.

Here is another graph: global interchangeable-lens camera market share.

→ I updated the list- see the latest Nikon deals here.

Nikon Fisheye Nikkor 5.6:6.2mm lens
→ Nikon was the highlight of the Westlicht camera auction in Austria:

"The Auction’s highlight came from manufacturer Nikon, whose products drew a great deal of attention. A collector secured the famous Fisheye Nikkor 5.6/6.2mm SAP, one of only three ever produced, for 156,000 Euros (starting price: 20,000 Euros). A black Nikon S3M with 60,000 Euros (starting price: 26,000 Euros) and a Stereo-NIKKOR with 54,000 Euros fetched further surprise successes. Among the historical cameras a Luxus Megalethoscope by Carlo Ponti, c. 1865, stood out, which, having started at 15,000 Euros, was in the end sold for 45,600 Euros."

Nikon at Bonhams auction
→ See also the Nikon gear at the upcoming Bonhams auction. Check out also those weird/unusual cameras from the same auction.

→ Nikon has a mobile application for photo sharing in Japan called Phopit - it allows photo sharing with friends and has one unique feature: you connect to people with sound. You don’t need subscribe nor login, all you have to do is send a specific sound with your smartphone. Each phone that receives the sound can see the shared photos. Anyway, Nikon is shutting down the app on December 10th.

→ Moving away from mirrorless back to DSLR (Nikon D750).

Phase One Capture One
→ Capture One Pro 9 announced. See the full list of supported Nikon cameras. Adobe Photoshop CC 2015 November release is also now available.

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  • here is the other graph I wanted to share, but then I noticed it’s from 2014:

    source: http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Sony-bets-on-mirrorless-cameras-for-revival?page=2

    • Wade Marks

      It’s still relevant. The market hasn’t shifted that much in one year.

      • I am curious to see the final 2015 data

        • Captain Megaton

          Particular the on-year changes. I would guess Sony +2, Nikon -1, Canon 0, Other -1.

  • Wade Marks

    Interesting data from Flickr about how few pics from mirrorless are posted. That suggests that those who buy mirrorless perhaps don’t use them as much because they end up not enjoying them as much.

    • Patrick O’Connor

      The problem with compromise, which mirrorless cameras are, is that nobody gets what they really want.

      • CSIROC

        You really think a DSLR isn’t a compromise?

        • Patrick O’Connor

          Of course it is. But compromise depends on one’s point of view. Since (d)SLRs and convenience cameras (point and shoot, polaroid, smart phone, et. al.) have been the standard choices for so long, they define the general range (medium format, full format, et al. are not generally used) while mirrorless cameras are a compromise between the two; not as versatile as dSLRs and not as convenient as other “convenience” cameras.

    • I think it shows more that people don’t buy as many mirrorless cameras as some want to think.

      • Captain Megaton

        CIPA doesn’t lie. Sales are sales, and dSLR/mirrorless sales have been 70/30 or more for a while now. The 90/10 flickr split could be explained by people using older cameras bought when dSLRs dominated ILC sales though.

        Or… an awful lot of mirrorless end up in closet or desk drawers.

        Here’s an interesting thought: what is the average active lifespan of a dSLR vs. mirrorless? How many 2010 dSLRs are in active use today, vs. how many 2010 mirrorless? If dSLR lifespan was 2x or 3x mirrorless, that would explain the flickr data and CIPA data discrepancy.

        • Average lifespan? Good question and revealing about today’s camera market. I bought my first Nikon F2 in 1974. I bought a second in 1976. I used the two of them until 1984 when I switched to the F3 (and to be honest, I continued to use one of the F2s along with the F# until about 1988). Nikon produced the F3 from 1980 to 2001!!!. Both cameras still work fine for film photography. Now, people are wondering if the company is ready for the attorneys if they haven’t come out with a new model in a year. Nikon currently shows 13 models of DSLR on their website. All just food for thought.

          • Captain Megaton

            Even within digital though, I have this feeling that a far greater percentage of Nikon D90s sold are in use today than Panasonic DMC-GF1, despite both being released about the same time.

            • Wade Marks

              Absolutely, Capt. Mega. DSLR’s are workhorses and last forever. In fact one problem that Nikon and Canon have is that they make such good cameras that after buying one, many people feel no need to upgrade for years and years.

              Mirrorless cameras have been mostly gadgets. I bet they have had a lifespan more like a point and shoot.

              Bottom line: DSLR > Mirrorless.

            • Yes, good point.

            • Heiko Bertram

              I’ am still using the gf1 occasionally

            • Heiko Bertram

              I (still) use the GF1 occasionally. A great camera! I’d rather take the GF1 along (not the D90)

            • Biff

              Yep, I know people who still use their D90s.

      • Eric Calabros

        But there are other things to be explained in this charts:

        – number one camera in Nikon list is D7000, but in Canon camp its 5Dmark2. Actually in Canon list most of top models are FF, and for Nikon most of them are DX! Why?

        – most of top models (which have big share of sharing) are those models that have no WiFi. While we thought “Better Connected” leads to “More Shared”. Why it seems that’s not the case?

        • nwcs

          Mostly because wi-fi implementations on dslrs and mirrorless sucks, just like their apps suck.

      • liuels

        no. ppl buy mirrorless, especially the fanboys. but after the purchase, they just keep their new toy in the drybox.

    • nwcs

      Doesn’t really mean anything. Maybe mirrorless users don’t like Flickr and use 500px or something else.

      • FountainHead

        Any basis for that?

        • Mike

          Flickr results are anecdotal not scientific. It’s a survey of people who use Flickr. Which doesn’t necessarily co-relate to who uses what cameras. Just what cameras are used for Flickr. As Thom has pointed out, mobile capturing devices with internet connections make it far easier to upload images without a “middle person” called a computer or the 3 extra steps of downloading, editing, uploading that is involved with cameras.

          Now, I wonder if uploading an edited image to your phone and posting said image with phone creates confusion where websites interpret that as iPhone only. I’m probably wrong so someone clear the air for me. 🙂

          • Captain Megaton

            Anecdote /= statistics. My telling you which cameras I saw people using downtown today is anecdote. Flickr results are statistics, based on millions of users and billions of photos. The only discussion is whether flickr users are representative of all camera owners, some distinct subset, and if a subset, which one.

            I would argue it naturally skews to “active, enthusiast”, but has no other bias especially.

        • nwcs

          Exactly. Flickr stats aren’t relevant and everything is mere speculation.

          • Captain Megaton

            To prove irrelevancy you’d have to show that flickr actively had some prejudice or bias preventing mirrorless camera users from using or wanting to use the site.

            Flickr users are likely skewed towards active enthusiast photographers, those who take photos to show to the public. There is no evidence for innate bias to dSLR, so we can conclude that that group of photographers still overwhelmingly use dSLRs when they are not using smartphones.

            Note user share lag sales share by several years. Flickr is telling us now what, on average, people were buying a couple of years back.

            • nwcs

              Flickr stats only show what people choose to upload with exif intact. Nothing else.

            • Captain Megaton

              Yes, I know. So what? Do mFT users strip EXIF more often than dSLR users? There is no reason to imagine this is so.

              It’s like voting polls. I don’t have to survey every voter in my city to find out who is likely to win the local election. I could restrict my survey to a small number of voters who eat at McDonalds on Wednesday afternoon and still have an accurate result, as long as McD’s customers are roughly representative of voters as a whole.

            • nwcs

              That’s the thing, we don’t know what we don’t know. Flickr’s stats are interesting but making conclusions based upon them and applying them across the industry is a reach.

            • Wade Marks

              Granted, Flickr is just one site, and not entirely definitive. Yet Flickr is a hugely popular site, and accurately reflects the trend in smartphones taking over the market, and does even reflect the dominance of Canon and Nikon in dslr sales.

              So yes Flickr means something, if not quite everything. And it appears from the data that those who buy mirrorless are not using them so much. Which is not surprising; as someone else noted, mirrorless right now is a compromise that satisfies no one.

              A dslr is quick and responsive, Try using a mirrorless, with its EVF lag, AF lag, etc…and see how much less enjoyable that is. Try using it with its poor battery life, and see how much less enjoyable that is. For now dslr’s are the best dedicated camera option around. That still has not changed.

            • nwcs

              I used a mirrorless for 2 years. They are very much nice cameras and more than enough camera for the vast majority of people. But my needs changed so I returned to a D750 for now. I just wouldn’t make any broad conclusions from Flickr.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              I don’t know if I’d characterize any camera as being “more than enough” for any group. Too much (features/weight/cost/size) is also an inadequacy.
              Rather, I would say, “not right,” for whatever percentage of photographers it isn’t right for.

            • nwcs

              Well, for most things most people use a camera for any camera works just fine. I’d imagine it would be difficult to find a camera that wouldn’t work for most people. Now people needing specialist tools or specific features need things tailored to that need. I just don’t see the need to say mirrorless is a toy or inadequate as much as I don’t see the need to say DSLRs are bulky and obsolete. Both are overstatements.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              My only point was that having features you don’t need can be a hindrance because, not knowing what they do, one might attempt to use them incorrectly. So, “more than enough” becomes too much.
              I agree with the rest of your comment.

  • MonkeySpanner

    Anybody know if the sigma 17-50/2.8 is a good deal at $469? I am actually kinda surprised they are still going for this much since it is such an old lens. What do most here use for a fast normal zoom on DX? I am not really interested in the Nikon fast normal option, I think it is too expensive for what it is.

    • Mike

      Had this lens for years before moving to FF . Bought it at almost $700. Sharp, sharp, sharp! Great color, low distortion. Fast AF. Think it’s an excellent value at under $500.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    $30,000 for a cheap Mamiya-made, Nikon-branded camera (one that was also made for Sears and Ricoh) that is neither in pristine condition nor comes with its original matching lens? What is this guy smoking?

    • Spy Black

      Nothing cheap about old Japanese cameras. 😉

      Certainly overpriced. The lens is really the gem there.

      • John Albino

        I’ve gotta go dig out my old Nikkorex F and check the serial number! It’s actually the second one I owned — the first (bought in 1962) literally fell apart in my hands from poor quality.

        My current one I picked up a number of years later as part of a consignment of old cameras I picked up inexpensively. Never really used it except as a curiosity piece.

    • Juergen.

      Obviously he’s trying to find someone stupid – real value for an average silver Nikkorex F w/o lens should be someting like 100 USD, mint condition up to some hundred USD.
      So the asking price is something like 50 x the market value…

  • nwcs

    Photoshop CC 2015.1 has some major bugs on Macs running El Capitan.

  • The Flickr camera-type stats seem extremely suspect. Anecdotally, over half the Japan-based photographers I follow on Flickr are using primarily mirrorless.

    In terms of hard facts, here is the first comment posted under that stats photo: “TNCasual wrote: How were these numbers generated? Just doing a cursory look at EXIF data on mirrorless cameras for Flickr posted images I see wrong data. Panasonic GH4 EXIF show Digital SLR, while the GM5 has no Camera Type data. Some, like the Nikon 1 J3, show type as Point and Shoot.

    I think it would be worth looking into all the discrepancies in the data.”

    • Wade Marks

      So somehow mirrorless cameras don’t record EXIF data as well as dslr’s? Give me a break. Any problems with uploading EXIF data to Flickr are going to impact dslr’s as well.

      Remember, one of the selling points of mirrorless is how much like a computer they are…so if anything a mirrorless model should have no problems with EXIF data.

      I still think that a lot of people buy into mirrorless as a fad, realize it’s not so great after all, and then relegate the camera to a drawer or sell it off. Either way the initial purchase gets counted as a mirrorless sale. So sales of mirrorless probably overstate their actual use. I know it’s anecdotal, but In the US whenever I visit any tourist type attraction, I hardly ever see any mirrorless in use. I see smartphones, and those not using smartphones are primarily using a dslr from Nikon or Canon. For instance, if you go to Disney World you see very very few mirrorless cameras.

  • Roger Botting

    The Nikkorex wasn’t that good a camera. In fact it was so bad it caused Nikon to stop outsourcing production of cameras.
    But it did show Nikon using early vertical focal plane shutters.
    The later leaf shutter Nikkorex was a decent user but was hobbled by a so so lens and less than stellar reliability.
    A few years ago you could easily find these cameras at Salvation Army thrift shops and pawn markets.
    Somebody spent a lot for not much of a camera is my opinion.

    • John Albino

      Agreed, as I noted in an earlier post. The Copal vertical shutter was the best thing about it — allowing 1/125 flash sync at the time, and giving Nikon experience with using such a vertical shutter.

  • Where DO you get the idea that the Nikkorex is THAT valuable, just because one dreamer lists it at that price, look on ebay, there are five there today all under $300

  • Mike Gordon

    So it appears to be true, mirrorless fanboys do like to talk more than shoot!

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