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Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4D IF-ED lens listed as “discontinued by manufacturer” *UPDATED*

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The lens is listed as discontinued also on the official Nikon UK online store

Amazon UK currently lists the Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4D IF-ED lens as "discontinued by manufacturer". The lens is also nowhere to be found in stock in the US (B&H, Amazon, Adorama). The 200mm Micro lens replacement has been rumored for a long time and maybe Nikon will finally announce it at Photokina (no reliable information as of today).

Update: here is the full list of Nikon products listed as discontinued on Amazon UK. The Nikon 1 V3 camera, Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G and Nikkor AF-S Micro 60mm f/2.8G ED lenses are also on that list:

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  • JIm

    It’s been around a long time – big and heavy. I would suppose a newer version would be AFS and lighter in weight and VR.

    • ZoetMB

      And it will be lighter in weight because it will be at least partially plastic, which everyone will complain about because they still think plastic is the same material it was just after WWII and represents cheapness. They’ll also complain because it will be overpriced, but that will be a fair complaint. The old one listed for $1795 and sold for around $1650. The new one will be at least $1995 and I’m guessing it will come in at $2100-$2200.

      But who knows when such a lens would really be available, even if announced. Nikon seems back to not being able to keep pro lenses in stock. At last check about a week ago, 28% of Nikon’s lenses priced over $1000 and 14% of the full lens line were out-of-stock at B&H (and they attempt to keep every lens in inventory). Not that I can afford those lenses anyway, but Nikon is basically telling sports photographers to go elsewhere. Out of stock are both 300s, the new 400, the 500 and the 800. Also the 45mm and 85mm tilt-shifts and the 80-200 and 14mm AFs.

      • 5DollarFootlong

        B&H Does not = Nikon Inventory.

        Try Amazon

        • ZoetMB

          Normally, B&H does = Nikon inventory because they try to keep every lens in stock. But in this case, you’re correct. Amazon or Beach Camera via Amazon does have 1 or 2 units on most of the lenses that B&H reports as out of stock, except for the 200 Micro and the old manual AI-S 35 2.8. But I wonder if they REALLY have them or whether you get a “sorry” when you try to order.

    • MRomine

      Actually this model is not that old, it came out in Aug of 2003. There was model before this one, an IF version: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/micronikkor/200mmicrof4.htm

      • JIm

        I bought the latest model in January of 1997. I also have the old version which I bought used fairly recently (just as a collector’s item although its small size make it interesting).

        http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html#200micro lists the latest model as coming out in October of 1993 – and I remember that it took a while before I was readily (financially and mentally) to plunk down the $1,000 + that the lens cost.

        • MRomine

          Jim, would that have been an AF model in ’93? Did Nikon have an AF body that far back?

          • JIm

            The Nikon 2020 (which was one of the earliest autofocus models) came out in 1986.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_F-501

            • MRomine

              I forgot about that one, wow that as a long time ago.

          • Markus

            I bought my F-801 (N8008 in the US) in 1987

          • jaygreen55

            I had an F4 as far back as 1989

          • AnonymousCoward

            The AF-D model was released in 93 to accompany the N90x

  • Spy Black

    Would be great if they also made a 300mm macro, or even a 400mm macro like the old Sigma. That old Sigma is hard to come by nowadays, and is a handy lens when you need to get up close and personal without, you know, getting up close and personal…

    • Yonas

      Didn’t know that a 300/400 macro exists

    • lorenzo

      I do have that Sigma 300 and it hunts for focus all times, than it reaches the end of the screw and bounces back with a very loud noise twisting the outside gear. I put it in the crap lenses box.
      And BTW it is not the cheap one but the one with the red ring.

      • jvossphoto

        such a thing as using manual focus….especially with a macro lens.

        • http://gplimages.com/ TheFantasticG

          AF with macro is handy. I use it all the time. I use AF to get close then dial in manually. No reason not to other one just being stubbornly stupid for the sake of being stubborn and stupid.

          • AnonymousCoward

            God help you if the lens starts hunting for focus, in which case if your subject is any less lethargic than an oak tree you stand a good chance of missing your shot. Even with the limit stop on it takes some time and sounds like a dump truck when it does it. Mind you I love this (200mm AF-D) lens.

            Prefocusing using the focus distance indicator then fine-tuning manually is much faster unless your subject is extremely well lit when using long macro lenses.

            • http://gplimages.com/ TheFantasticG

              Each to his own. I know what I’m doing using AF then manually fine tuning the focus at the end. Been doing it for over two years. Putting out a blanket statement that NO ONE uses AF in MACRO or that it is BAD ALL THE TIME is just pure unadulterated stupidity though.

            • AnonymousCoward

              I’m sure all sorts of people do all sorts of stuff, but most folks who shoot macro with long macro lenses, I find, actually use the manual focus without AF. Especially so with the 200mm AF-D or one of the Sigmas above which have MF-AF override switches. I’d eat my hat if I wasn’t right about that.

      • Spy Black

        Well, I’m not familiar with the 300mm, but the 400mm Sigma is highly regarded. I look around for it from time to time but never see one for sale. It may be that I look at all the wrong times, or owners simply hang on to it.

        I would simply manually focus with your 300 if you’re having AF issues with it. You’re better off shooting macro manually anyway.

  • TheInfinityPoint

    That is one sharp lens. Not that I do much macro work (I just borrow it
    from someone I know when I need to), but I hope the replacement will be
    just as sharp, or sharper (if that’s even possible, lol).

  • Sid Vic

    oh boy, they’re gonna get real expensive real quick lol

  • Global

    Wide-open sharpness + 5-stop VR + creamier f/2.8 bokeh, please!

    • Yonas

      Would be heavy as hell.

      I got this lens and the use of tripod is mandatory.

      • Global

        Modern VR doesn’t add substantial weight. And Nikon has proven its capable of using material that is lighter than their older lenses. So I think the weight might actually go down.

        • TheInconvenientRuth

          The lighter you make it, the easier it’ll shake. I think thta’s the main reason why Nikon made the original so heavy, for stability and rigidity. If the new one would be significantly lighter,it might end up getting harder to get sharp results.

          • Nokin

            That’s just the way Nikon made lenses long. long ago.

            • neversink

              Or it can add shake when your hand gets tired…. Either or, this is an incredible lens…

          • Kynikos

            What Ruth said.

            When I need to handhold, I love the weight–of this and the 135/2.

          • neversink

            That’s just your unscientific theory. My unscientific theory is that a lighter lens will add more stability for hand held shots because it will be easier to handhold and thus keep more steady. Your arms and hands will not get tired with a lighter weight lens as quickly as it will with a heavier lens, therefore less shake.

            • TheInconvenientRuth

              It’s not exactly an unscientific theory. The law of inertia states that an object tends to resist change in direction. The heavier an object is, the more force is required to change it’s direction. Because more force is needed to change it’s drection, small movements of your hand will affect lighter lenses far more than heavier lenses. The only theoretic part of my post was wether or not this was Nikon’s reason for making it so heavy.

            • neversink

              I get much better results fem lighter hand held lenses. I can actually hand hold the 500mm F/4 for a relatively short time. But can handhold the 70-200 f/2.8 for much longer and I never shake with the 50 f/1.4 hand held. I can’t handhold the heavier 600mm f/4 lens. I find, despite your law of inertia, that the lighter the lens, the easier it is to stay steady. But then again, my hands aren’t inert. ;-}

          • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

            Sand bags

      • Global

        This lens is unusually heavy though (2.65 lbs). Most zooms are 1 to 2 lbs. So 2.5 is quite heavy. But Nikon made the 70-200 f/4 weigh only 1.85 lbs, so I hope they can bring this one down. They could make it an f/4 instead of an f/2.8, but I really wish they could keep f/2.8. Either way, the main problem is shake. A 5-stop VR would help, and f/4 would fix the problem totally. (Just there goes the bokeh).

        • AnonymousCoward

          It’s a specialized macro lens so, if they rerelease it I couldn’t see them making this modifications. Max f/2.8 also does little for macro and bokeh is quite nice in macro shots with significantly smaller aperture values. This will also significantly increase the weight, while also cannibalizing potential sales of their 200mm f/2 vr2.

          If it’s rereleased then all I could see is shaving some weight, and adding VR but ultimately at the reproduction ration used in macro shots VR doesn’t make a perceptible difference (1/30 is about the limit according to Nikon’s own literature).

    • Colin Stuart

      you’re going to be using a macro lens on a tripod, why the hell do you need VR? Don’t tell me you’re gonna hand hold it, there are better lenses for that.

      • skaarj

        A very nice 200mm VR prime tele and macro combo would be awesome. Especially on DX

      • Patrick O’Connor

        I’m gonna hand hold it. For insects and small critters, mounting it on a tripod isn’t very practical. But out of curiosity, which lenses do you think would be better for that? Shorter focal lengths (~100mm) don’t give you much distance for skittish insects like dragonflies and butterflies.

      • Allan Smith

        I an not at all sure how photographers got sharp images before VR :)

        • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

          Well it’s simple, they didn’t: No decent image was shot before 2001 with a Nikon camera. ;-)

      • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

        Please read Nikon’s statement to their shareholders. They will focus on high margin products. VR adds (significant) margin. They will be able to more easily justify a $2000+ for the 200/4 Micro AF-S if it comes with VR. If it’s anything like the 105, it will double as a wicked long portrait lens… Imagine a 200 f/4 Prime with glass and VR. I can see it getting a reasonable amount of demand from catalogue/fashion SMBs.

        • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

          Expensive lenses that sell in small numbers don’t typically have a lot of margin. High margin could be achieved by increasing the price of a 18-55 type… more turnover too.

          • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

            Yes, but an expensive to make lens sold at minus $100 might actually halve the profit margin while only incrementally increasing the sale price.

  • lorenzo

    “The lens is also nowhere to be found in stock in the US”

    Unless I am wrong, Adorama has it at $1,649
    http://www.adorama.com/NK2004AFDU.html?cvosrc=cse.google.NK2004AFDU&cvo_cid=36379530331&gclid=COibt7msj8ACFQgKaQodKY8AXQ

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      read the text – it’s back-ordered

      • lorenzo

        you are right, SORRY!

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          no problem :)

          • Surinder Gill

            admin any new rumor about nikon planned “VR ADAPTER” for non VR lenses !!

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              No, I think this was just a patent.

            • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

              Some call it in-body stabilisation :)

      • Gerald

        I ordered mine from Adorama on the 18th of July, 2014 Received it on 08/04/2014

  • Yonas

    I have this lens (one of the best lenses i’ve ever tried) and i rarely use it (unfortunately). That’s why i’m considering to sell it.

    The problem it’s that this lens it’s hard to get and if it’s gonna be discontinued, will get really pricey.

    • Global

      This lens is not hard to get. Its been produced for so many years, there are tons of them out there. Its only as hard to get as the demand for it is high. Since the demand will be lower if a new improved version comes out, there will be plenty on the market (more than needed). Its advisable to sell lenses before the new one comes out, not after. Very, very rarely do lenses increase in value. And even those come to an end generally when a new version is released.

      • drpeters

        It is definitely a gamble. According to Ren Kockwell, Nikon has only made a bit over 12,000 of these lenses, which would not be equivalent to “tons of them”. A quick search found only four of them on eBay. There’s quite a few of the manual focus versions, greatly outnumbering the AF lens.

        • Kynikos

          Serial No. site claims over 23,000:

          http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html

          (Scroll about 85% down page to subheading “120-200 micro/medical), add three sets of serial numbers together.

          • drpeters

            Double a small number still isn’t very many lenses.

        • EnPassant

          Actually Nikon literally produced tons of the AF Micro 200 lens. In fact more than 28 metric tons, or more than 31 American tons!
          Also Nikon made at least 23,000 of the AF lens and more than 40,000 of the manual 200 Micro-Nikkor.
          The review you refer to is five years old and reflects the known production figures at that time.

          • drpeters

            Ah, good point. I was thinking figuratively. Thank you for the brain exercise. :D

        • Pat Mann

          That actually is tons of them. They’re pretty heavy.

  • blp

    We want a 300mm f4 not 200mm D:

    • FredBear

      Or 400mm F4 (or even F5.6) for the workers.

      • Kynikos

        Nice call for the 400/5.6.

        I would sell my 200-400/4, pick that up, and have enough cash for a two week vacation to get out and use it.

      • Eric Calabros

        even 5.6? whats wrong with 80-400?

        • Alderaan

          Eric – Image quality. I would love a 400 f4, an f5.6 would probably be more realistic money-wise though.

        • FredBear

          300 F4 + 1.4 TC is reportedly better than the 80-400.
          400 F5.6 would be better than both.
          Depends if you need the convenience of a zoom or the IQ of primes.

    • neversink

      You want. I don’t want. Please speak for yourself, not for all of us. And by the why not keep on target and stick with the subject. If Admin had any news / rumors concerning your coveted 300 mm he would post it.

  • Maurizio Rocco

    Has to be listed discontinued from a long time,I think …..

  • Nokin

    That does not mean there is a replacement on the way. Nikon does not understand that kind of user any more.

    The 70-180mm was dumped and never replaced. Used values rocketed, it will be the same with the 200mm.

    • Kynikos

      This is an interesting point.

      I love my 200/4, but I wonder how well it actually sold because I rarely saw it in the field. I always told myself “they’re all in studios doing product photography” but maybe this lens wasn’t as widely appreciated as I thought it ought to be.

      And to expand on a side point: if others didn’t like the 200/4, I’m OK with that. I don’t need others’ validation. But if there was a Nikon user out there who kept saying “I wish I had a sick-sharp lens that could do A, B, C, and D all very well”and he had never heard of 200/4, I’d be disappointed.

    • TheInfinityPoint

      Agreed. Case in point recently – 16mm fisheye.

    • Jeffnky

      I bought the 70-180 new right after it was released many years ago and it is still my favorite lens. These were taken with it on a D810.

      • http://micahmedia.com/ Micah

        What aperture/FL?

        • Jeffnky

          F/18 1/640 ISO1600 Damselfly. F/16 1/640 ISO1600 Robber Fly. Both at 180mm.

          • http://micahmedia.com/ Micah

            Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

    • Aeroengineer

      Agreed. No bellows or extension tubes updated for TTL exposure and lens data communication. No close up filters. No ring light. No copy stand. Wasn’t Nikon at one time the king of technical photography?

      • Spy Black

        There’s not that many technical photographers today. That’s why you don’t see gearlike that made by anyone anymore. Nobody shoots like that anymore. Hell, most people shoot macros with their cellphones…

        • Aeroengineer

          Yes, I suppose you are right. The best book I know on the subject of close up photography, by Lester Lefkowitz, was published in 1979.

          • Spy Black

            I want to get an old PB-4 bellows, but it’s hard to tell if a unit has a bad bellows or or not on the ebay listings.

            • Aeroengineer

              I bought a PB-6, and then a 4, off ebay. Both are mint. My bidding rule is simple. Listings of esoteric photo gear like this need to have really, really good pictures. The PB-4 is terrific, by the way.

            • Spy Black

              The PB-4 was created when Nikon was the greatest camera company in the world.

            • Aeroengineer

              Agreed. I still have my F with the F36 motor drive. It sits completely unused, but I can’t bear to part with it.

            • Spy Black

              Yeah, I still have my Ftn and F2SB. When film is no longer made, I’ll make a little wooden box with a glass front and just hang them on the wall, a monument to an era gone by.

      • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

        Pish-pash-posh. Bellows, extensions… Ring lights… physical filters? I can do that with my iPhone, a Lightstrap and Instagram… ;-)

        Yes, I fear technical photogs are a rather endangered species.

      • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

        The tilt shift lenses also need an update… especially the PCE24… which hard vignettes on FF… pretty poor.

    • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

      And you can try and crowbar my recently purchased-somewhat-less-than-a-grand, mint copy out of the vicelike grip of my freshly severed hands! The 70-180, although having a shorter working distance than it’s FL would suggest is so versatile it’s become my go to “up close and personal” lens of choice… Whether that means true macro or just super zoom. Built like a mothafugga? Yep. Clear? Crystal. Do I miss VR? Not a smidgen.

  • Denis Lynch

    Nikon 1 V3 also showing up as “discontinued by manufacturer” Nikon getting rid of all dead weight items?

    • ZoetMB

      It’s not listed as discontinued in the U.S., but it is out of stock. The J4’s are not in inventory yet, which means all Nikon has to sell in this line are the S2, the AW1 and some still left-over S1’s and V2’s. So is it any wonder this line is considered a failure? There’s almost nothing to sell.

    • Spy Black

      I don’t know if that’s really accurate or not, but it is immensely hilarious…

  • Anton PupkIn

    The lens is as old as a mammoth crap, but still only 8 reviews? No wonder they discontinued it.

  • Kynikos

    This is my sharpest lens. Aside from sharpness, for what it can do, at about $1400 it’s astounding value for money. If a person could only carry one lens, this one might be the most useful. Works well for portraits and even landscape from the right distance.

  • Aeroengineer

    I own this lens and use it on a D800E. It is very sharp and gives reasonable working distance. But reliably shooting at or near 1:1 requires a robust tripod, solid head, and strong attention to technique, including focus stacking. For serious macro use, AF is useless as the DOF is extremely narrow. VR might seem attractive for hand held use, but isn’t it true that VR systems do not compensate for movement towards and away from the subject? Giving you, in this application, nicely shake free but OOF shots. Does the Sigma 180 put a lie to my arguments?

    • TheInfinityPoint

      And also as stated in the 105 f/2.8 lens manual, VR effectiveness decreases the higher the magnification.

  • http://www.amateurnikon.com/ AmateurNikon.com

    It’s always interesting to see Nikon updating some of the legendary old-ish lenses. There’s, I suppose, always a feeling of holding your breath to see what comes out of it, but I think much more often than not the results have been very successful.

  • catinhat

    If you’re going to use this as a true Macro you don’t need AF at all. If a new version comes with VR, it will hardly add much value because you don’t need VR for macro either. With this in mind, an MF version of this lens without any gimmicks would be every bit as useful for macro applications. On the other hand, if you want a general purpose 200/4 lens, there are already so many lens options capable of 200/4 which are also more versatile, that an update of this lens makes little practical sense. Besides, third party macro lenses have caught up with Nikon in optical quality a long time ago. I don’t see an update of this lens being a big seller, except among lens collectors. Not convinced there will be an update unless Nikon feels they have to have this FL covered in macro.

    • Quasimodo

      The flourine coating would be very useful when photographing, aphids, ants, bombardier beetles and spitting cobras.

  • PhotoLaw

    Well sure, a Macro lens to be released with an “action” camera, it makes perfect sense??? I’m sure it’ll have the FL coating and VR (for the sake of margin and not usefulness), and I’m sure it’ll spec out to be marginally better than the current/old version. It will be interesting to see if it’s $400 more or $800 more than the old version though… if nothing else, the pricing might give us some indication as to what we’re in for when they get around to pouring that fluorine coating on the trinity lens group.

    • Kynikos

      If it’s replaced (a big “if”, I think), this lens and the old 80-400 were similarly priced. New 80-400 went up by roughly $1K at launch. Don’t know why this would be massively different. If this lens has further character changes (like the addition of VR) it could be even more.

  • thorne

    RIP

  • Ian Kirk

    The Nikon V3 is discontinued already! WOW!

    • MyrddinWilt

      I suspect they are doing really short runs. Since the Xmas sales are coming up it is a no-brainer to rev the V3 for the holiday season if the existing stock is sold out. Might not be a big change but enough to make it pop on the shelf.

      One of the odder things about the range is that surely the logic of offering the viewfinder as a separate item is so that one body can do the high and low end of the market. So instead of a S, J and V line there is just an S and a V line and you can buy a viewfinder accessory for either.

      The V3 sensor is capable of recording 4K video, but not the CPU. Once they cross that barrier it is a big step up. But it might well be held up by recording media issues.

      Still really weird that they haven’t produced a micro lens for it yet. Small sensors are better at micro than big ones. Mirrorless is better for micro than SLR. So where is the micro lens?

    • Spy Black

      Not sure if that’s really true, but it’s really funny!

  • rafakoy

    I’m shocked seeing the AFS 50mm f/1.4G there… is that correct? That’s barely new lens.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Not sure what is going on – maybe they decided to refresh it after the Sigma 50mm Art lens was announced.

      • umeshrw

        Or maybe it is just a mistake of amazon. 60 micro too? That too g series instead of D? Nikon would not discontinue newer model of same lens instead of old one.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Check the list of all discontinued old products – they are really discontinued, but of course thi could be a mistake.

          • saywhatuwill

            Seeing that we can still pick the 50mm lens at B&H it doesn’t look discontinued.

  • MonkeySpanner

    Wait – V3 discontinued? How is this not the headline story? Isn’t this big news?

    • MonkeySpanner

      I am not being sarcastic – I am really shocked that this isn’t big news.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I discovered that after I published the post (several readers emailed me)

      • Spy Black

        It’s probably an error, but a really funny one…

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Well, the fact is that the 200mm lens is also discontinued on the Nikon UK retail store.

          • Spy Black

            Hopefully the 50mm f/1.4 is indeed being replaced by something better, because the existing model is not that great. Do you remember any patents for a 50mm f/1.4 in recent times? They certainly need to create a competitive f/1.4, both in performance and price.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I do not recall any 50mm f/1.4 lens patents.

  • Scott M.

    The 60mm 2.8G micro is being discontinued as well?

    • Ian Kirk

      It looks like Nikon may be rationalising their product range? Taking the axe to slow sellers and ‘duplication’ ? Maybe?

  • MRomine

    Wow, they are discontinuing the 60mm macro already? It’s only 6 years old. Wasn’t selling?

    • RPV69

      I think it’s unlikely that it’s being discontinued. It’s a high quality lens that’s popular with marco enthusiasts. Probably an error on the Amazon website. Either that or it’s being updated. VR being added perhaps?

      • RPV69

        On the store.nikon.co.uk website the 200mm is indeed marked as discontinued, however the 60mm AFS is not.

        • Ian Kirk

          ..and the Nikon V3 is not even listed! Bizarre!

          • MonkeySpanner

            I think this is the real story here. Lenses get discontinued, refreshed – whatever. But the V3 getting the axe after just a few months on the market – what does this mean for the 1 series? Is this the first move of a larger move away from the 1″ line?

            • Ian Kirk

              It does seem a bit sudden. But then Nikon have restricted supply of the V3 and limited sales to two retailers in the UK. So maybe they have tested the market and decided it’s not worth pursuing?

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Interesting, thanks for the link.

    • Scott M.

      Mine is a very sharp and useful lens for the price.

      • MRomine

        I know lots of people who have this lens and love it.

        • RPV69

          Yup, it’s permanently attached to my D7000. I don’t own or use any other lenses.

          • MonkeySpanner

            I had this and the 35mm f/1.8. The 35mm f/1.8 saw much more saddle time than the 60mm. 60mm would probably have seen much more if it was an f/2 lens. Anyway, sold the 60mm.

            • RPV69

              60mm macro on DX is the perfect combo for me. My primary subject is butterflies. I shoot handheld at f/2.8 with continuous AF most of the time. A DR-6 angle finder helps a lot.

            • Spy Black

              I’m surprised you can get that close to butterflies with a 60mm. I needed to put an extension ring on my (non-macro) 300mm f/4.5 Nikkor to get close enough to butterflies. You may sometime want to try something like a 200mm macro. Nikon, Sigma, Tamron, doesn’t matter. Get’s you some nice distance between you and the butterflies. Here’s a shot with my 300mm.

            • RPV69

              I mostly shoot early and late in the day when they’re less flighty. I’ve experimented with various lenses and found the 60mm AFS to be the best for me.

    • Ian Kirk

      Could just be a MK2 version is in the pipeline?

  • Guest

    I ordered mine from Adorama on the 18th of July, 2014 Received it on 08/04/2014 This is a USA version. It was on back-order too. This is my 2nd copy due to the fact my 1st one suffered water damage. Amazing lens and sharp. I always use a tripod for my macro work; focus stacking. Autofocus not interested in since I always use manual focus, mirror lock up and remote release.

  • Gerald

    I ordered mine from Adorama on the 18th of July, 2014 Received it on 08/04/2014 This is a USA version. It was on back-order too. This is my 2nd copy due to the fact my 1st one suffered water damage. I always use a tripod for my macro work; focus stacking. Autofocus not interested in since I always use manual focus, mirror lock up and remote release. Amazing lens and sharp.

    • Aeroengineer

      This is nicely done!

  • Stuff

    I got this lens a few weeks ago because of this very possibility. If anyone is hesitating, I would jump on this one if it’s still available anywhere. Unless the new one is f/2.8 at macro distances and has VR with all of the same optical awesomeness, I doubt the new one will be that much better.

    It is totally awesome – these pictures of a dragonfly are my first outing with it, handheld, ambient lighting (albeit very bright), and in hot weather when these things don’t stay on a branch for very long.
    Manual focus, f/16, 1/320s, ISO800, D800.

    Sharpen filtered twice in photoshop, and that was it. Printed it at 20×30, but still has detail to squint at – 40×60 would still have fine detail up close.

    I did it again several times over after this shot, so it wasn’t luck, and I’m not that great with regards to handholding stability, either.

    Focus is slower than other lenses, but not super slow if your in the ballpark. Granted, I have yet to try a modern AF-S lens like the 70-200 or 200 f/2.

  • David G.

    I was wondering why they’d discontinue the 50 1.4G and micro 60 lenses, but I looked at the Buying Guide ( http://nikonrumors.com/prices/ ) and I realized that they were both released in ’08. All of Nikon’s important lenses were released more recently than that (exceptions : a few DX lenses, the micro 105 2.8G, the 70-300 and the 24 tilt-shift). I thought they were still good but I guess they’re due for a refresh ?

    • Global

      They can discontinue the 50/1.4G because the 50/1.8G is much better (price wise @ almost exactly the same functionality and even slightly sharper).

      • Spy Black

        The 50mm f/1.4 is a legendary optic in the Nikon line, they’re not getting rid of it for the /1.8. If it is indeed discontinued you can bet that an updated version is coming out, which of course is a good thing, because the existing model is not that impressive, and they have stiff competition from Zeiss and Sigma.

        • David G.

          Tell me about it. I bought the 50 1.4G a few years back, before the 1.8G was made available. Its performance wide open is disappointing; I find it not that sharp and lacking contrast. There’s no opint in getting f/1.4 glass if you’re going to use it at f/2.8 to make sure you get a sharp image… I’m just a hobbyist but I was disappointed with this purchase.

    • Aeroengineer

      Perhaps they are replacing them – especially the 50 – with lens that can take better advantage of 36 MP sensors.

      • Neopulse

        (even with the 24MP sensors I’d say)

  • Antonio

    The Micro Nikkor 200 being discontinued is no surprise but the itens included in the “update” are really unexpected – why would the Nikon 1 V3 or the AF-S 50 F:1.4 G be discontinued?
    Is it real?

    • Quasimodo

      Compared to the Sigma, the Nikon 50/1.4.is an embarrassment.

      • Antonio

        This not the one that disputes the market with the Sigma 50mm Art but the smaller, lighter (280 gr compared to 815 gr) and much cheaper Nikon lens ( 425 versus 950 USD).
        So, down the line should Nikon also discontinue the cheap 50mm F:1.8?
        Maybe you wanted to talk about the expensive 58mm F:1.4G instead…but concerning this one I see no reason for “embarrassment”.
        Looking back to the list, what would be the reason to discontinue the Nikon 1 V3? Who, within the competition, could drive Nikon to such an unexpected move?

        • Global

          No, no, 50/1.4G is not an embarrassment. But the 50/1.8G is excellent at a far better price. Most sensors cannot use all the light from an f/1.4 lens anyway (this has been documented quite thoroughly) and tend to level out at f/1.8 anyway for technical reasons. So the light gathering power isn’t tremendously higher. If you have a good copy of the 50/1.4 (and there are bad copies), then it does have value at f/1.4. But its mostly negligible.

          The 50/1.8G is a much better lens than the 50/1.8D. And is pretty much equal to the 50/1.4G. I don’t even know why a 50/1.4G is needed, unless its going to be tremendously superior. Its not. At all.

          • Antonio

            I agree and that’s the reason I’ve the F:1.8.
            Besides I believe the new version offers some advantages I stick with the small and light D for the time being.

          • Antonio

            Strange…I replied to you before but it doesn’t show after I edited the answer.

            So it goes again and sorry if it proves to be duplicated.

            I agree with you and that’s the reason why I’ve the F:1.8, but besides I recognize the advantages of the new model I stick with the small and light D for the time being.

            Concerning the F:1,4 possible discontinuation, Nikon Europe keeps it at their website, as you can see here (narrow the selection to Prime and Normal):

            http://www.europe-nikon.com/en_GB/product/nikkor-lenses?

  • Ian Kirk

    Maybe Nikon has upset Amazon….. :))

  • whisky

    Aptina sold. half the EVF’s faulty. widespread resistance to adoption (both retail and design related). i can see why Nikon might want to reset the V3 for a V310 (V4).

    if correct, maybe Nikon will shed some light on this at Photokina — or just before the holiday season? meanstwhile, refurbished SB-N7s are being listed for fire sale prices at Adorama.

  • Just a comment

    I just will ask what happened when they stopped making the 28mm 1.4D? Only with in the past few years did a lens in the same ball park show up. I see how people think sell your lens now and get the most for it but honestly you might as well be a stock broker in late 2008/ early 2009 that sold everything. If you need this lens and you sell it trying to get the most for it, be ready to buy a used one for double the price of what you paid for a new one. I won’t feel sorry for you, you asked for it. If you don’t need it then roll the dice and sell it, but be ready to live without it if your wrong. If a new lens comes out and you want it, sell yours. You won’t get as much but as a reminder this is still one of the sharpest lenses in the Nikon lineup to date, I don’t see it dropping in value much especially if the newer version cost over $2k. The used prices might increase at that point.

    I like the weight of the 200mm F4 micro. A heavier lens will absorb vibrations (mirror slap) much better than a light lens. I perfect my hand holding but unless I add weight or adjust the shutter speed, mirror slap is hard to get rid of. I can’t see how they could perfect the lens but if they do I couldn’t argue with picking one up.

    • Yonas

      Exactly my thought. I was thinking of selling it but i know i will regret it.

  • ZoetMB

    I wonder why Nikon would discontinue the 60mm micro AF-S when they’re still selling the much older 60mm 2.8D micro. Doesn’t make sense unless they’ve got a replacement for the 60 AF-S so they can command a higher price. We’ve had reports of products being discontinued in the UK before that were not discontinued in the U.S., like the 80-200 AF.

    And why would the V3 be discontinued? It was only released four months ago.

    • Global

      Maybe because they recently created the 85mm Macro and they feel that the 60mm isn’t necessary (too many macros in the same focal range)? 85mm and 105mm is crowded enough perhaps.

      • RPV69

        The 85mm is DX so it doesn’t really compete with the 60mm in that regard.

  • koenshaku

    Nikon 1 V3 already getting canned? They should just release a proper mirror crop already…

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Maybe they just pulled the plug in the UK.

    • vFunct

      Didn’t they apologize for not meeting the demand for this?

    • benji2505

      I would not be surprised if they shut down the whole Nikon 1 line. In their restructuring efforts this is the most obvious victim and from what I understand the plant(s) is/are not in Japan.

      • John

        Hopefully its because they realize they made a mistake by having the grip and EVF as optional extras and not built in. They need to return to the V2 form factor. A switch to the Sony sensor wouldn’t hurt either.

    • MonkeySpanner

      I don’t think they will can the 1″ line. But it would be really exciting to see them release a DX mirrorless that has the high frame rates and AF system similar to 1 system.

  • decisivemoment

    Why in the name of hades are they dropping the 60mm macro? I can see they might want an AFS 200, and they must surely want something better than the 50/1.4G, but why on earth kibosh a top notch mainstream lens? And will they even make an AFS 200? They foolishly never replaced the 70-180, and look at what happened to that on the used market.

    • saywhatuwill

      Most likely they want to charge more. They’ll add Nano coating, maybe an aspherical element, and perhaps that special front element that repels water.

      • http://www.davidiam.com/ davidiam photo

        I think the 60mm macro already has nano coating.

        • RPV69

          It does, plus 2 aspherical elements, and one ED element.

    • MonkeySpanner

      60 macro, 200 macro – maybe they are planning a macro release party at Photokina 2014.

  • vFunct

    Micro Nikkor 200mm F4 – legendary lens.

  • Neopulse

    If you guys had the chance to better the V3 model in certain features, what would it be? I keep thinking about the chance to be compatible with an accessory for a standard hotshoe. What would make this 1″ sensor more to ones liking?

    • KnightPhoto

      I’d like a full-meal-deal Auto ISO like on a D800. Set minimum SS. Set base and max ISO to use. Alternatively set to “Auto based on focal length”. I have a V3, had a V1.

    • whisky

      build in a regular SDXC option, better battery (EN-EL15 would be nice), pop-up EVF, intelligently designed grip for battery replacement, GPS.

      then i’d pay extra $$ (are you listening Nikon?) for downloadable apps which activate minimum speed/auto ISO, bracketing, focus peaking, wi-fi access from my laptop, the skies the limit ….

      i’d also pay extra $$$ for a sensor replacement with +1~2 EV sensitivity, HDMI out, third party codec options, bigger memory options for more apps.

      then let me build this guy to order online.

      let users pay for the extra features they want, but don’t force accessories, lenses, crippleware, and new card standards they haven’t requested. JMO.

      • Neopulse

        Hmmm I dig quite a few of the things you mentioned. Thanks for your 2 cents

    • nwcs

      It’s not the 1″ sensor. It’s everything around it. Scale down a Fuji X-T1 and improve upon it and you’d have a stellar Nikon 1 V4.

    • MonkeySpanner

      Sell it for about $800 for KIT. Then it would be more price competitive.

      • Neopulse

        Couldn’t agree more. Pricey at launch, but it did include a grip and FT-1 adapter which wasn’t so bad I remember. But yeah, still damn pricey.

        • MonkeySpanner

          Yea, I think the Vx has always been overpriced at launch – then due to non-acceptance, we get fire sales. Not a good way to operate. Although we have not seen the fire sale on the V2 yet, I am sure it is coming.

          • Neopulse

            Yeah hope so… It’s a great camera to me.

  • saywhatuwill

    So my 50mm f/1.4G might get replaced…or maybe not. Maybe Nikon will make the 58mm f/1.4G THE standard f/1.4 lens?

    • http://inthemistphoto.com/ InTheMist

      You think there’s room to improve the 50/1.4 without going all Otus and Art with the size?

      These days, I’m willing to accept a bit of “character” in exchange for a smaller bag.

  • Ian Kirk

    This just in:

    A reply to a tweet I sent to Nikon UK:

    ” the Nikon 1 V3 has not been discontinued. You can purchase the V3 from @jessops &@wextweets. Hope this helps!”

    It also confirms that only two UK retailers are permitted to sell the V3 in the UK – so maybe thats why Amazon is being snarky?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      or maybe it means that only those two stores have still stock to get rid of

      • Ken Davis

        A side note the Nikon Store Japan is no longer accepting reservations for the grip, and can no longer be purcgased.

  • Ian Kirk

    Tweet from WEX: Give us a call when you can on 01603 486413 and we will be able to help you out we currently have good stock of the V3 – James

  • Stilllearning

    B & H shows it as pre-order new. It is still listed on the Nikon USA site. Any other major players showing it as discontinued? It doesn’t make sense for them to pull the plug unless sales have been a disaster since launch.

  • fjfjjj

    I loved that lens, but don’t fret. Soon the D710 action camera will be here, promoted by skaters.

    • http://inthemistphoto.com/ InTheMist

      You are evil you know, right?

      I can’t stop laughing at this.

  • http://www.bobcooleyphoto.com/ bob cooley

    The Micro 200 f/4 is a fantastic lens – I don’t see a lot of advantage in upgrading it; its sharp as a razor, sturdy, and most macro shooters don’t use AF. Its certainly not light; but if you want a lighter lens, you can get the 60 or the 105mm

  • http://nanchatte.wordpress.com Graxxor Anandro Vidhelssen

    F4 owner 1992. Had AF, although it was rather ropey.

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