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More Nikon D4x rumors

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In addition to the D7000 successor, Nikon is rumored to announce a new D4x DSLR this year (the camera may have a different name, we will call it D4x until we get more info). Here are the rumored details:

  • Same body as the Nikon D4
  • 36 MP sensor without AA filter, designed and made by Nikon, with some new improvements (moire in-camera reduction)
  • 6 fps (11 fps is the maximum possible fps with the current shutter)
  • Few video improvements
  • Price should be few hundred dollars above the D4 (currently listed for $5996.95).
  • Announcement expected in fall of 2013

Since this rumored product announcement is far ahead in the future, I would give it a credibility rating of 60% for now. It seems that we will have only two new DSLR cameras in 2013 - a new high end DX and new high end FX models.

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  • zernicke

    ready to pre-order the moment it arrives

  • nick

    New D4X? How many MPx, 24 gazillions? :)

    • http://profiles.google.com/tim.glaser Tim Glaser

      Did you read the article?

      36MP, sounds like an improved version of the sensor in the D800E.

      • RamesesThe2nd

        He came here to comment and not to read the article. You have a good day, sir.

  • Josh

    With a 36mp sensor I see little reason anyone would by a D4X over a D800/e.

    • Anonymous Maximus

      I agree with you. Why would anyone need such an oversized body? D800 has the optimum shape & functions. Btw, D7000 successor will be the successor of D7000, but unlikely for D300s, since it will probably lack the D200 – D300 – D700 – D800 line ergonomics. That’s clear.

      People are waiting for a DX D400 along with an FX D900 (D4 sensor on D800), but not for a so-so D9000 or unnecessary D4x. Nikon, where is the D400?

      • Teodorian

        The pro line D1-D4 has always been about ergonomics and performance (speed, AF, buffer)

      • steve3911

        I shot with a pair of D3x bodies for a few years and went to teh D800 and 800e when they came out.

        I pretty much hate my D800 bodies. The sensor is to die for, but the body? Ehh… I’d happily sell my D800 bodies and get a D4x as described above – no hesitation.

        • http://www.facebook.com/brent.parkin.7 Brent Parkin

          I agree about the D800 body. The camera allows me to make great images but it will never go down in my history as a favorite camera. When I work with my D3, the feel is right as is the balance. Obviously not the same fit for everyone, but for me the big pro body is just right.

        • Brian

          So you would spend $3,000+ for a slightly bigger body?

          • vFunct

            Yes, I think most pros would.

            • http://twitter.com/csar Carsten Saager

              Yes, the “pros” surely will. For actual professionals it is not so clear

            • Marktim

              I hate half-sized bodies too. But D3 and D4 is much SMALLER cameras than D800 with grip.
              After 1/2 day work you’ll hate half-sized too… if using 800+g lenses.

            • Nikon Shooter

              Um, no. Most pros are happy enough with their four-hundred-dollar battery grips. $3000 is like another camera.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joel.coulson Joel Coulson

            If you make your living out of holding it for 8 hours a day, then yes, I’m sure you probably would opt for the more comfortable / rugged body.

            • asdfasfas

              That’s not true. Half the weight at the same size would be worth $3,000. Slightly bigger and heavier is worth NOTHING.

            • asdfasfas

              That’s not true. Half the weight at the same size would be worth $3,000. Slightly bigger and heavier is worth NOTHING.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joel.coulson Joel Coulson

            If you make your living out of holding it for 8 hours a day, then yes, I’m sure you probably would opt for the more comfortable / rugged body.

          • http://www.facebook.com/brent.parkin.7 Brent Parkin

            Yes I would spend more. But it also was not that much more. I considered a D700 with its grip and the larger D3 battery. By the time I add a grip, battery, battery door and a new charger, the price was not that far off. So for little more, I got a body that was not a kludge of bits and pieces. I have never once regretted it.

          • steve3911

            It’s more than a slightly bigger body. It’s faster, it’s more rugged, it’s better weather sealed, it will have faster fps, and likely a larger buffer.

        • KnightPhoto

          Likewise I am aware of more than one pro that would absolutely prefer a D4X body over the D800 body and feature set.

          6fps sure sounds low though. 8fps would be more of a differentiator I think. And then of course it would support 10fps in 1.2 crop (not to mention 10fps in 8×10 and DX modes too).

          Now for ME, gimme gimme a D400 in a pro-body, with all the pro fixins (endless buffer, XQD, 10fps, top of the top AF, etc.).

      • Allen_Wentz

        I disagree. D2/3/4 feel right to me. The D800 is not even close; “optimum” is a matter of personal preference.

        • ManHands

          Great, another average man’s opinion. Whoopty doo. I wonder if anyone has ever thought about a Pro-Body that fit well with the Very Old, Smaller Women, and people with back injuries. Well, as long as the Average Man Hands gets what they want, right……

          • Marktim

            Actually small handed women an injured back people and people with somehow disabled or ill wrists feel more comfortably with full size bodies. Just take 400 g zoom and feel it. If you can’t hold it one hand like compacts or mobiles full body feels better. And ergonomically right. It will not cause wrist desease or something, like modern half-bodies.

          • Allen_Wentz

            WTF are you blathering? And who said anything about average man hands?

      • Aldo

        my first digital camera was the mark 2 eos 1ds full body. I tell you the ergonomics of a full body are unbeatable and I agree with people here saying you have to try one or work with one to really understand. I use the d800 with the grip all the time to simulate the effect of a full body but it is not the same. If you are gonna work handheld a lot… nothing feels better than a full body. period.

      • Robert

        There will be no D400.

        • NikonFaceShame

          Agreed. Nikon is trying to convert all its D400 users (who have some cash) into D600 users (and upsell them on lenses). Its a sneaky scheme. But it BACKFIRED on stupid-old-Nikon, because of their crappier quality control on the D600. Now they have spots on their face (and sensor)! Nikon — ADMIT THE OIL SPOTS PROBLEM NOW — stop pushing the D600 and bring out a D400 to save your face from shame.

        • NikonFaceShame

          Agreed. Nikon is trying to convert all its D400 users (who have some cash) into D600 users (and upsell them on lenses). Its a sneaky scheme. But it BACKFIRED on stupid-old-Nikon, because of their crappier quality control on the D600. Now they have spots on their face (and sensor)! Nikon — ADMIT THE OIL SPOTS PROBLEM NOW — stop pushing the D600 and bring out a D400 to save your face from shame.

    • Teodorian

      For studiowork – no. The D800E is as good.

      For versatility – yes. With the D4 body, a XQD-card slot, 6 fps in FX, 7 fps in 1.2x crop and 8 fps in DX crop, a large buffer, a new or at least an improved AF-system vs the D4 a D4x could be an expensive but excellent mix of the D800E (resolution), the D4 (AF, body, XQD) and the anticipated D400 (reach and high fps).

      • rearranged

        Maybe the D4x goes up to 10 fps or so in Dx mode, which would propably make it fast enough for any long reach sports shooting and would make the d400 not needed for professionals with cash.

        • KnightPhoto

          You guys do have a very good point… I may have to think about that for ME. I would pretty easily sacrifice my D800E ($3300), avoid D400 purchase ($2200-2500 with grip), add a grand or less into the mix, and have everything I need from a D800E and D400 combined into a single body!

          Doesn’t satisfy the low-cost or low-weight DX D400 guys though. But for me I could run a D4/D4X combo and not really need a third body solely for DX. Darn you Nikon ;-)

          • DxNegative

            The calculation doesn’t make sense, because there is no D400 and won’t be. (J/k your value makes sense, but seriously… no D400.) Nikon has made it very clear that the D400 and D600 will not coexist. When the D600 is phased out, they MAY introduce a D400. Nikon is clearly doing a social experiment right now — where they are trying to see just how many D300/s users they can convert to FX.

            • MyrddinWilt

              Nikon has made no comment on the D400 at all. So they have hardly ‘made it clear’ that they won’t badge the D7000 successor based on 90% of the D600 platform a D400.

              I think it rather obvious that there will eventually be a consumer level FX camera with an X000 designation which means that there is no good reason to reserve the X00 designation to FX.

            • MyrddinWilt

              Nikon has made no comment on the D400 at all. So they have hardly ‘made it clear’ that they won’t badge the D7000 successor based on 90% of the D600 platform a D400.

              I think it rather obvious that there will eventually be a consumer level FX camera with an X000 designation which means that there is no good reason to reserve the X00 designation to FX.

    • niXerKG

      Shoot with a big body and you’ll understand. Not to mention a D4X won’t come with a pop-up flash meaning those sexy PC-E lenses will work without scratching the body. I use to think like you, who would want a full body, but after using one, you can’t not want anything BUT a full body.

    • Brian

      Especially at $3K or more over the D800

    • Allen_Wentz

      Some of us find the D2/3/4 ergonomics far, far preferable to the smaller cameras.

  • Scott Thomas

    No more Pro DX bodies from Nikon? The D7000 body if far from it and you have to dig through menus whereas the D300s has most popular controls within hands reach.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      I feel your pain, but the more I think about this, the more I like it. Need something smaller, crop and more practical than my D800 but a bit faster all around.

    • Shawn

      Yes, I’m pretty sure the next Nikon press release will be something like: “No D300s successor, we are handing over this share of the market to the experts at Canon”.

      Of course if the D7x00 can satisfy both the enthusiast AND APS-C pro market at a lower price point than Canon, then OK, they won’t be handing over that share. Doing this they would be leaving money on the table though. All these damn camera companies are experts at extracting money out of us, always making us wish for the next model up that we can’t afford. If they leave a huge gap between D7x00 and the D600 (which is “less pro” than the D300s/D800/D700) then customers won’t bother reaching, they’ll just pocket their money and buy lenses and accessories, which Nikon has significant competition in and which also have a large used market.

      So yes, if Nikon wants to risk their customers spending their money elsewhere, then they better not launch a D300s replacement at a price point between the D7x00 and the D600.

      • Arkasai

        I’m not so sure the absence of a D300s replacement would force sales Canon’s way because they too pan on merging the 7D and 60D.

        • jake

          yeah agree and Nikon Canon both are really stupid in marketing , there are many people waiting for the D700 and D300s successor and not really many people care about D4X.

          this type of super durable but slow camera has already become a thing of the past.
          most people want this kind of resolution and base ISO IQ choose the D800E not this type of body.

          • Marktim

            Most people wants iphone 6 or Samsung galaxy. If you’re in photo as amateur or pro you definitely need a good body.

          • Aldo

            “current” nikon users may not care much for a d4x with medium format resolution… hasselblad users however may enjoy saving 20k + dollars switching to nikon should the d4x offer 40+ mp. And correct me if I’m wrong but medium format iso sucks at anything above 400.

        • Shawn

          I have still not seen any information to back this up. Last I checked Canon Rumors it still says 7D mk II in the works. There is so little information out there that anyone’s wild speculation vs. another’s careful reasoning is becoming increasingly pointless.

          Time will tell, and maybe I will stop making predictions and leave that to the connected rumor collectors and real domain experts.

          • Arkasai

            Step back from the rumor mill for a second and observe the writing on the wall:

            Front and center is the fact that people have been expecting a 7D/D300s replacement for years only to have the model below them all but announced for this year. It’s the smartest move manufacturers can make because by moving the 60D/D7000 up they can have their cake and eat it too.

            Going the other way and selling a pair of new APS-C cameras involves playing a delicate balancing act that in the end usually cripples one model for the sake of the other(s).

            The fact that Canon and Nikon’s strategies have been so closely aligned also signals this is an industry shift they both want or need to keep their business on course. I think they see a future of 40+ MP full frame sensors that are cheap by today’s standards and the cropping power of today’s APS-C cameras will be mostly forgotten in a few years.

      • TrP

        No shares to canon, they have already publicly announced that they won’t be producing any pro DX models on dpreview.

    • vFunct

      The big thing that separates the pro bodies from the consumer bodies for NIkon are the autofocus engines. The D7000 has the slow AF, while the D300s has the high-speed AF that pro sports shooters need.

      We will know whether the new DX camera is pro or consumer by the AF engine. If it has the high-speed 51 point Multicam 3500DX autofocus sensor, then it will be a D400 targeted for pros. If it has the slow-speed 39 point Multicam 4800DX autofocus sensor, then it will be a D7100 targeted for consumers.

      • El Aura

        Can you show me some testimonials of people having compared the AF speed (not number of AF points, not coverage) of the D600 vs. D800 (because these are two most current implementations of the 39 and 41 point AF modules)?

        • Dan

          There are plenty of comparisons of the 39 point and 51 point Multicams online. All have shown that the 39point have noticible lower speeds, but not so much that it would affect things other than sports.

          Also on the D600 the coverage is really small. Even the D800 coverage is quite small due to the AF points limited to DX frame.

          • vFunct

            The consumer AF engine is actually much worse than that.

            I can barely keep people walking at a fashion show in focus with a D7000. Half the shots are always out-of-focus.

            Meanwhile, with a D700 and D3/D3x, I have perfectly focused shots all the time. (don’t have the new gen D4/D800 yet).

          • Aldo

            lol… the 51 points cover basically the entire DX frame. You must want your points to cover the entire frame to call it good?

        • Qbert

          I own a D700 and a D300s. The D300s is much better tracking in low light for sports and action. The D7000 does not keep up as well and I never use it for serious action. The D600 uses the same AF sensor as the D7000.

          • http://www.facebook.com/johan.l.asplund Johan Asplund

            The D600 uses an improved version of the D7000 AF-system. I have owned both cameras and D600 is so much better at focusing in low light. I have hardly missed a shot. I have also shot ice hockey with good result, inspite of the small area covered by the focus point. But of course if u are a sports proffessional D4 is the way to go.

        • Nikon Shooter

          I own all three cameras and I can testify that my D600 is soon to be sold. The autofocus is atrocious even when tested against the D7000. Please don’t argue that they are the same thing. They aren’t or maybe their implementation isn’t. The D7000 is slightly behind the D800, while the D600 is behind the D7000 by a large margin.

          Makes total sense if you think about it: Nikon would hate to see their pros jump on something that sells for a thousand less than the other camera so they cripple it. I could live with the slower max shutter speed and the sync speed and the non-pro body, but the autofocus totally killed it for me.

          FU NIkon for ruining it on purpose. It could’ve been the perfect D700.

          • http://www.postlinearity.com gregorylent

            agree with d600 autofocus comment, i distrust mine

        • Sam

          As a pro, the AF capability of the D800 was one of the things that made the D800 the obvious choice over the D600. You miss a lot of sports shots (especially skiing, mountain biking) if AF tracking drops the ball. Although I typically use my D3 for those things, sometimes I shoot with both bodies, and can’t afford to be missing things. AF tracking and low-light ability is very important for events and virtually any other unplanned or unchoreographed shoot. Whether there is difference in the speed of the focus motor, there is difference in the tracking ability between the pro/non-pro modules. Whether you want to call it ‘speed’ or dexterity, or something else… makes no difference. If you’re getting paid, you cannot afford blown shots, and better AF is key. Look at all the poor Canon shooters who were up in arms in past years…

        • coloretric

          I can, along with ‘Nikon Shooter’ also verify that there is a significant difference between the consumer line D7000 and the pro line cameras in regards to AF Tracking, Acquisition and Dexterity. I am a current pro who uses a D4, D3S and on occasion the D800. I also have the D7000. Not trying to flaunt, I also use on occasions the D700 & D300S. I can tell with absolute certainty that between the D7000/D300S AF performance is certainly different. The ability to continuously track an object on the D300S is in my opinion 70% better than the D7000. That is to say the AF acquisition time (time to achieve focus) is almost negligible between them. However shooting shallow DoF you can see the difference in accuracy (ability to reproduce sharp photos). Quite clearly when using the newer bodies, and once you have become familiar and understanding of the new AF settings (D4 vs D3S) can you really benefit from better AF. Now I have yet to use a D600 and from my own opinion, online reports and extensive use of my D7000 (use I have tried to use the D7000 for sports work-it’s hard for consistently good photos). I would say that the AF has been improved over the D7000 for low light performance, but not to the standard the savvy online consumer was expecting.

          On a side note between the D7000 and D300S, the D300S has a much much better AF module. However I find that the dynamic range and ISO performance trumps that of the D300S. Can’t have the best of both worlds. :-/

      • Csaba Molnár

        Slow speed AF in the d7000? You’re kidding, right? The difference in focus speed between my new d800 and my d7000 is negligible. Focus accuracy is slightly better in low light on the d800, but speed was never a problem for the Multicam 4800DX.

        This is confirmed by tests comparing the d7000 with the 7d – they are evenly matched, and the 7d was always considered a fast, very capable focus system for sports.

      • Csaba Molnár

        Slow speed AF in the d7000? You’re kidding, right? The difference in focus speed between my new d800 and my d7000 is negligible. Focus accuracy is slightly better in low light on the d800, but speed was never a problem for the Multicam 4800DX.

        This is confirmed by tests comparing the d7000 with the 7d – they are evenly matched, and the 7d was always considered a fast, very capable focus system for sports.

        • http://www.facebook.com/joel.coulson Joel Coulson

          I own both bodies and I’ve have to agree. The D7000 will hunt in low light (ev 0 to ev -1) whilst the D800 slows down but will still focus. In good light, both bodies essentially focus as quickly and as accurately as one another.

    • Smudger

      Nope!
      The D2Xs was the last DX pro body. The D300s is the last high end DX body.
      Nikon’s strategy:
      Want pro? Then buy FX.
      Want reach? Then buy a longer lens.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joel.coulson Joel Coulson

        A sound business plan :)

        • Smudger

          No, it isn’t.
          But all the evidence says that’s how Nikon sees it. Professional level DX just kills lens revenues at the long end. The days when Nikon told us that we did not need full frame digital are far behind us.
          Just in case: I use D300s & D3s and very much want to see a D400 but the runes say that I won’t.

      • Mike

        Nikon’s strategy:
        Want a convenient camera? Go to Olympus, Fuji, Sony, etc..

      • Sam

        As a pro, I use a D3 for sports, and a D800 for non-sports. When I want a smaller form factor, for walk-around, family photos, etc, I use my NEX. Even with the older silver 18-200, it’s vastly more travel-friendly than any DSLR body.

        If Nikon would make an APS-C NEX-competitor, I would be very happy. Why they don’t is beyond me. The NEX-6 and NEX-5r use the D7000′s sensor, after all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Teila-K-Day/1386849379 Teila K. Day

        Makes perfect sense to me.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Teila-K-Day/1386849379 Teila K. Day

        Makes perfect sense to me.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      The D7000 replacement may have some of the D300s pro features.

      • Scott Thomas

        I am thinking a hybrid will not satisfy either market. If it does not meet my needs, I’ll pick up a D300s ASAP.

      • Spy Black

        You have to put with quite a sorry lot on this site. You have my sympathies. :-)

      • Anonymous

        may…*will*

      • Ads

        That makes sense to me. If you take the “pro” build out of the equation (which some are obviously unwilling to part with):

        - a couple of FPS more,

        - double the buffer (and maybe add CF/XQD to speed clearing times)

        - I always hope for better ISO, but I think we’ll have to wait for the next generation of sensors.

        - enable a few pro software features

        That would cover 98% of a D300s successor, and would fit my needs. I don’t see anything on the list that should be terribly difficult or expensive to implement, and Nikon is fairly bottom line conscious at the moment.

        Of course if they released a 12 FPS, 50 shot buffer D400 I’d be one of the first in line :-)

    • rhlpetrus

      It depends on the D7100′s body. If they use the pro AF system and a slightly better body, with higher fps with grip, that could well be a good move, at less than 1,500USD.

    • Sam

      What pro wants a pro DX body? I’m a pro, and I can’t imagine why I’d want something other than full frame if I’m using a DSLR. If I want decent IQ in a small form factor, I use a Sony NEX body. If anything, I wish Nikon would make an APS-C NEX competitor that uses DX lenses. A ‘pro’ D7000 sounds like the wish of a wealthy consumer.

      • MyrddinWilt

        “A ‘pro’ D7000 sounds like the wish of a wealthy consumer.”

        Exactly the target market for the D4, D3 and every other flagship camera Nikon has ever made. There simply aren’t enough pro photographers with the $$$ for a flagship body to be viable otherwise.

        There will definitely be a ‘pro’ DX body, the question is whether it will be the D7000 replacement as well as the D300s replacement.

        There is of course a true pro DX Nikon already, two in fact. They are called the D800 and D800X and they provide the same DX resolution as the D4.

  • http://twitter.com/antodechav Anto de Chav

    I bet you could Pick up a D4 and a D800e for the price of this..

    • khaled tolba

      Agree, I’m not buying the line that it’ll be a few hundred $ above the D4, more likely $8K plus for a few small tweaks above the D800E that you’ll never be able to see after processing or even before. But that won’t stop many rich guys from buying it.

      • MyrddinWilt

        I think it makes no sense to bring out a flagship camera in 2013 with a sensor originally intended to come out in body meant to launch in 2011.

        $8K is too much for that and it is hard to see the point of a camera that does not offer some sort of price premium. D4 owners who wanted 36MP have already bought the D800 as their backup body.

        The point of a D4X would be to win the megapixel wars once and for all which means a body that is in the 50MP class.

        A 50% bump on the D800 resolution would be 54MP which is more than enough for Vogue and Architectural Digest and beats MF film by some distance. The D800 has already killed the low end MF digital cameras. The D4X at $8-10K would sell even if the ISO was limited to Nikon V1 levels.

  • french fries

    Very unlikely as there is no real benefit over the D800E.
    If it would have a 54MP sensor this rumour would be much more interesting to those who need that much megapixels

    • Chevypower

      we should point out to those who are about to question the need for so many megapixels that aerial photographers do need very high resolutions to sell their work. Some of the slowest to switch from 70mm to digital for that reason.

      • http://twitter.com/antodechav Anto de Chav

        Hasselblad make gear that is optimised for aerial photography..

    • Teodorian

      The benefit would not be in the sensor but in the body and overall performance just as comparing the 12 MP D300s to the 12 MP D90.

      • El Aura

        The handling and overall performance of the D300 could much easier justify the premium over the D90. The premium of a D4x vs. a D800 is much larger.

    • http://twitter.com/antodechav Anto de Chav

      Resolving 54MP will be a Challenge.. few 35mm lenses have that resolving power..

      • neversink

        That’s what they said about 36MP on the D800.There are always technological advances that change the rules; and rules are always made to be broken!!!

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I think it is too early for a 54MP sensor. Nikon will milk the 36MP for few more years.

      • MyrddinWilt

        The Nikon V1 has a pixel pitch that would make it a 67MP camera. Production of a 54MP sensor is quite feasible.

        Beating Canon to the punch on 50MP means a lot.

  • bcdouglas

    Argh. Hey Nikon, I’m tired of this crap. How about you focus on making a few good cameras and then supporting them. DO NOT overload the PRO/”pretty much pro” product lines like you’ve overloaded the CoolPix line!!!

    Improve the D4/D800(e)/D600 prodcuts first!

    • Nikon

      Oh ok, just because you said.

      • Canon

        Don’t listen to them, Nikon! Your customers don’t want a pro-DX camera and a D4 in a D800 body would just be silly – just keep doing what you’re doing and it will all be alright. Honest!

  • Ben

    Wow this is disappointing to me. DX users have little reason to be excited about Nikon. Even if Canon does not come up with a 7D replacement the 60D and upcoming 70D are much bigger in size than the D7000 and would naturally be more attractive to much of the pro-market.

    In terms of full frame, I can’t imagine that there is a huge demand for a D800 in a D4 body. I think there is much more demand for the 24mp D600 sensor in a D800 body with faster frame rates and the D600 U1 and U2 modes.

    • neversink

      Huh????
      I don’t know… I have a D4 and D800. I prefer the D4, ergonomically over the D800, although I like the lightness of the D800…. But a D4X with 36mp sans AA filter and internal moire control sounds awesome….

    • Kevin Otolski

      I think you are correct.

    • nikonian

      The 60D is both smaller and made of plastic… The D7000 would be better than the D300s if nikon puts a good af engine in it, adds a pc sync, adds a dedicated af mode switch and fixes that horrid buffer. The size is wanting but the camera keeps up with the 7D fine. I use the 2 side by side frequently

      • Shawn

        Just curious, but what is wrong with the D7000 AF mode switch? If I understand it correctly, you just hold the button then scroll the wheel to select what you want. Not having used it, it sounds to me no different than changing ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed, or White Balance – eventually you learn where you are and which way you need to go. If you forget, just use the LCD, TFT, or Viewfinder for cues.

        Sounds even better that you can save and recall all of your settings rapidly via the U1 & U2 modes. These things are a wish for a sub-D7000 body user like myself, and just not possible on the D300/s, D700, or D800.

        • nikonian

          I personally love the new layout but many don’t. however most who complain about the D7000 either have never used one or are specialists in something odd like birding…

          Me personally the only beef I have with mine is the Buffer…

          • http://www.facebook.com/joel.coulson Joel Coulson

            Agreed. I’ve used both the D300S and D7000 and I can tell you that switch AF modes is a heck of a lot faster on the D7000. Id can also be done with your eye up to the view finder and without having to shift your grip on the body by a dramatic amount as your fingers are already effectively on top of the controls. Its a brilliant design, but of course there will be those who will always prefer what they’re familiar with.

      • Thom Hogan

        > The D7000 would be better than the D300s if nikon puts a good af engine
        in it,

        Almost certainly has the f/8 sensor ability, the only questions are whether it is 39 or 51 grouping and whether the CPU is faster than the D7000. My guess is 51 and no. In other words: D800 level of focus ;~).

        > adds a pc sync,

        Seems reasonable. They need to find things to differentiate, as the sensor is likely 24mp like the rest of the DX lineup.

        > adds a dedicated af mode switch

        Nope, not going to happen. Even the D4 has that new AF switch. Some of us actually like it (except for finding it with our fingers: it needs a nub or something).

        > and fixes that horrid buffer.

        That’s actually the biggest liability of the current D7000, so I’m with you on that: give us a real buffer. I’m less than optimistic about this, though: the D5200 has a weak buffer for raw, so it won’t take much to have the D7000 “look better” than the D5200.

        • MyrddinWilt

          I think you are wrong on the CPU. The D800 was intended to come out almost a year earlier but got delayed due to the flood and Tsunami. So the engineering specs would have been based on the chips available in 2011.

          That same chip will have gone through a die shrink by now and so the same chip is likely available in a 50% faster package that uses less power. Even if they don’t want the extra speed they will want the power saving.

      • j v

        Exactly the camera I’m waiting for (as amateur shooter).

        DX (FX is too expensive, as I would also have to renew lenses + it does not add much for me personally), good body (weather sealing), pc sync, good AF, decent buffer, full HD video.

        It would be interesting to see if it would have the AA filter or not (not a deal breaker of course, but it would indicate a new trend)

        • kyoshinikon

          Well the D7000 has the HD video and the Weather sealing (it looks worse on paper than it works as Ive soaked mine and had it buried in snow with no hiccup)… The mods needed to make it at least as good as the D300s are rather simple. If only nikon would take notice. I am a bit annoyed as a press/sports photographer that the only performance body they “currently” make is the $6400 D4… all I wanted was a D700 with the Dynamic range of a D3s, and full Hd video…

      • Mike

        Keeping up depends on the lens in use. And i had the chance to use a 7d attached to the new canon 300 f2,8 mark2 and i’m pretty sure that it would easily keep up whit the D3 in speed. That said i think it’s good to remember that the D7000 compete whit cameras as Pentax K5 II and Canon 60d. And when you compare the autofocus of those cameras to the D7000 i think the D7000 is a clear winner!..

        • nikonian

          The 7D keeps up in Speed but not in accuracy. I have tested this…. Only the Eos 1 series keeps up with the D3 (I used a D3s) in terms of speed and accuracy. The 7D is a fantastic camera but even it has some faults. The D7000 still isn’t miles worse (even tho it is noticeable) than it as that award goes to the 5Dmk2…

  • nawab

    we all are left thinking as are Canon folks

  • D300user

    6 fps at 36 MP would be 9-ish? fps at 15MP DX… that would thus almost make for a D800E + D400 in one D4 style body.. hmm.. if only the price wasn’t so high.. I’d consider it though :p

    • 800mm f/2.8 DX VR

      No it wouldn’t, as the D400 is not a $6000 camera

  • Mike

    Once you go integrated grip, it’s hard to go back. I love the files my D800 gives me, but my D3s just feels better for long usage. And weight. A D800 with grip and two batteries is heavier and has an odd balance vs an integrated grip. There would be all sorts of reasons for someone who needs a D4x to get it over a D800. I’d live to see a D800H too. D4 sensor & specs in D800 body.

    • Nitpicker

      Hm. I also own a D3s and D800, I don’t have any problems switching between both. I do have grip for the D800 (a knock-off, but great value), but since the D800s batterys seem to last forever, I rarely really need it. But then again, I have pretty small hands which exhaust a bit faster on my D3s. So it’s probably all relative…. again.

  • Arthur

    I thought the previous rumor was about a D4 sensor in a D800 body?

    • Aldo

      that would make the d800 shoot at 9fps… no one would buy the d4 lol

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      This rumor must have been from another website.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.romine Mark Romine

    It will be interesting to see if Nikon drops the XQD card format for this new top of the line body.

    • KnightPhoto

      Not a chance. XQD is here to stay. It will also be interesting to see the XQD card in the D300S replacement ;-)

      • jake

        hope not I hate the XQD card.

        • MJr

          Do you even have a reason ? Compact Flash is at its limit, and SD is just too fiddly. So what else is there, XQD is the best way up. Just needs a little help getting standardized.

          • xebone

            there IS a new CF standard, called CFast, so dunno what ur talking of:
            CompactFlash ATA Serial Transfer (CFast) 2.0
            600 MB/s (Serial ATA 6.0 Gbit/s)

            and before that even with 3Gbit ….

            • MJr

              CFast is not new, it is an old failed standard.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Why (other than current pricing)? I like the UDMA6 Extreme Pro CF, but XQD seems all good to me as the next place to be. What is not to like? Faster, more durable and not crazy-tiny like SD size.

          I would like to see XQD in all the pro and semi-pro Nikons, and in both slots. Obviously tiny cameras will require the (IMO nasty) tiny SD cards.

          • MyrddinWilt

            XQD is really targeted at video. So support for the XQD format is pretty much a tell that Nikon is considering a 4K or higher video capability in the future.

            A camera without an SD card slot is not going to sell. It is the format that Apple supports in its MacBooks and that is reason enough to support it.

            • coloretric

              using Apple is not valid – so how did CF cards word then? My mac pro way back never had a CF slot – yet lo and behold CF became the norm..?

    • HKer

      Been using the D4 now for several months on jobs. The XQD has the bonus of a faster download compared to CF cards, and I believe quicker write speeds, ideal for large files under high burst rates. I hear that XQD has the can have in the future storage capacity up to 2 TB, which I assume is great for high resolution videos. When downloading 2-3 thousand files from a single sport shoots, the XQD can save you time. My only issue is that the XQD transfer rates are capped by the transfer speeds of USB3.0, but if you had Thunderbolt then you could take full advantage. However, I haven’t seen a Thunderbolt XQD card reader:)

    • HKer

      Been using the D4 now for several months on jobs. The XQD has the bonus of a faster download compared to CF cards, and I believe quicker write speeds, ideal for large files under high burst rates. I hear that XQD has the can have in the future storage capacity up to 2 TB, which I assume is great for high resolution videos. When downloading 2-3 thousand files from a single sport shoots, the XQD can save you time. My only issue is that the XQD transfer rates are capped by the transfer speeds of USB3.0, but if you had Thunderbolt then you could take full advantage. However, I haven’t seen a Thunderbolt XQD card reader:)

      • Allen_Wentz

        I use an Express Card adapter for CF in my Macbook Pro and I think Sony makes one for XQD that goes direct to PCIe (which is basically what Thunderbolt does).

  • luke

    what about a 24MP sensor in a D800 body, Nikon? Better if with an improved AF module. ;-)

    • Tommy B.

      Ah, a true D700 successor perhaps?

      • Neopulse

        Nope, hell no at that price.

      • luke

        exactly what I mean!

      • timon_comment

        In a lot of humming sound to have several persons who would really buy the d4x?

        I wished to have what follows,
        (if Nikon sells it , would be very worth to buy again).

        FX DSLR
        —- an FX d800 body,
        —- Sony a99 sensor (6μm 24MP, Hybrid AF included),
        —- Electronic 1st shutter curtain mode,
        —- Live-View has Hybrid AF (On-image-sensor PDAF + CDAF),
        other (if it is possible)
        —- a hybrid pentaprism viewfinder, in the pentaprism has a built-in EVF. The Live-View mode you also get an eye-level view way. It is no sub-sensor, but the view image is directly from main sensor.
        —- a low gear mode selectable, the shutter blades can be decelerated maximal speed in 1/2000 sec and X sync 1/125 sec, though a 1/8000 sec or 1/4000 sec shutter unit. Looking forward to it has lesser shutter blades vibration and is helpful in the slower exposure time.

        DX DSLR
        —- an high-class DX DSLR,
        —- Sony NEX-6 sensor (4.7μm 16MP, Hybrid AF included),
        —- Electronic 1st shutter curtain mode,
        —- Live-View has Hybrid AF (On-image-sensor PDAF + CDAF),
        —- It is truly much lesser shutter blades vibration and mirror slap vibration.

        • timon_comment

          —- an FX d800 body,
          The body in key point is mirror-box with die-casting alloyed (non plastic), but the shell material can reasonably use polycarbonate, and not a must choose magnalium shell.
          (The metal shell + plastic mirror-box = worst way).
          Nikon now have enough means to process the electromagnetic shielding in a plastic shell. People have seen the quite thick cupreous plating layer everywhere that is inside the d5100 plastic shell, and the large area electrically grounded very well.
          In film era, Nikon F90 is an alloyed mirror-box and polycarbonate shell, it is sturdy and durable.

          —- Electronic 1st shutter curtain mode,
          Nikon’s competitors have using some years. This in Live-View mode can avoid the 1st shutter blades’s bounced vibration, and is also shorter shutter lag, no longer with twice action shutter in Live-View mode.

          —- a hybrid pentaprism viewfinder, in the pentaprism has a built-in EVF, (with no sub-sensor). Nikon’s competitor is ready.

    • js200022

      The 700s with 24MP sensor + video would be THE camera. But Nikon would never make it because it would be a D4x-D4-D800/E killer. It is all about profit.

    • Dan

      get a 5D3 then

      • Nguyen

        chill out canon fan boy !

      • Aldo

        Once you guys learn how to shoot better jpegs (should you want to avoid the raw files) and realize the versatility of using crop mode on your d800, you will hit yourself with a hammer for ever considering buying a mark 3 instead of a d800.

      • bertbopper

        Once you tasted 14 stop D-range camera’s, you will drop the importance of every other spec. The D-range is the only factor that affects the quality of your photo’s, and Nikon is a big leap ahead this time.

        • Henroi

          You’re apostrophising photos and cameras? I see this waaaay too much! Get it right! Ok quick lesson so you don’t look silly: Apostrophe ‘s is used for A: abbreviations ie. he’s (he is) B: possessive ie. the camera belongs to Bert, therefore it’s Bert’s camera. Other than that, NO apostrophe, NO camera’s or photo’s. Sorry about that, I’m an apostrophe psycho. On another more related note, I completely agree with you. Dynamic range will be the new megapixel race (it already is in cine cameras). The D800 has a lovely dynamic range, but more would be even better! The RED EPIC cine camera has a hdrx mode which simulates a ridiculous 18 stops of dynamic range. Perhaps the d800 replacement in years to come may have 15 or 16 stops of real DR, who knows…

        • Henroi

          You’re apostrophising photos and cameras? I see this waaaay too much! Get it right! Ok quick lesson so you don’t look silly: Apostrophe ‘s is used for A: abbreviations ie. he’s (he is) B: possessive ie. the camera belongs to Bert, therefore it’s Bert’s camera. Other than that, NO apostrophe, NO camera’s or photo’s. Sorry about that, I’m an apostrophe psycho. On another more related note, I completely agree with you. Dynamic range will be the new megapixel race (it already is in cine cameras). The D800 has a lovely dynamic range, but more would be even better! The RED EPIC cine camera has a hdrx mode which simulates a ridiculous 18 stops of dynamic range. Perhaps the d800 replacement in years to come may have 15 or 16 stops of real DR, who knows…

          • Phil

            Noone cares.

          • Aldo

            lack of perfect english may hint the person knows another language or languages… in which case an improper use of an apostrophe means well… shit

            • Marko

              You seem to know everything about photography.. Could you post your portfolio? We’d love to learn from the Master of masters.

            • Aldo

              I don’t know everything…. but I do know more than you =]

        • Will

          I own both the D800 and 5D3, prefer the Canon hands-down

          D-range is good on paper but in practical use it’s BARELY NOTICEABLE, sure it provides enough leeway if you miss the exposure but that’s the thing, learn to get it right the first time so you don’t have to pull back shit

          • Aldo

            LOL you are obviously far from a pro photographer. DR superiority is NOT used to fix bad exposures as you presume. It is rather an advantage of the sensor to recover data of dark areas or lit areas which are unavoidable in certain shooting conditions when trying to balance the two at the time of shooting. Meh idk why I’m bothering explaining this… stick to canon lol.

            • js200022

              He is correct about the 5D3.

            • js200022

              He is correct about the 5D3.

        • Aldo

          It’s tough explaining this concept to an amateur. They don’t know how to see in black and white.

          • Desmo

            Who annoited you idiot

          • Desmo

            Who annoited you idiot

        • Steve

          Amen, I just got back from a week long photo tour and observed first hand the power of 14 stops of dynamic range combined with 36MP. Once you experience it, you will have to have it. You should have seen the look on the Canon 5dmk3 guys faces when we pulled 5 stops out of the black shadows to produce perfectly exposed midtones and highlights. I shoot with a D3s which is a great camera, but it is no match for the D800 DR and triple the MP!

          I have one on order as a result!

  • Neopulse

    Better have the XQD slot, or else it’ll be too damn slow to use. But what’s the point of this? Maybe improved low-noise performance compared to the D800, but it’s essentially the same with an integrated vertical grip and 2 more fps? Forgot to mention also a longer shutter count.

    • Reimar

      Plus maybe reliable autofocus performance compared to the D800E (at least mine)

      • Neopulse

        My autofocus is spot on with my refurbished D800, although I only have tried it with my 50mm 1.4G and 70-200mm VRII. Have you tried using the AF Fine tune option? (obviously you’ll need a few things to properly do it).

        • Reimar

          Yes, of course I use AF fine tune. AF was never fixed on my first D800E (four trips), but my replacement was again “fixed”. My 24-70 and 70-200 VRII need +17 adjustment. I wouldn’t call my 51 point AF system “spot-on”. In good contrast using the center point can give great results. Otherwise, not always.

          • Neopulse

            I see, thanks for telling me this. Kinda makes me appreciate more the luck I have had with this camera because I live in Argentina and they don’t have a place where it can be sent off to, to fix or correct.

  • Donji Hogfan

    Even if they keep the 36 MP, they can improve the color depth that is critical for studio work.
    Other than the great ergonomics and durability of the D4 the D4x will also inherit the WT-5 which is also a big plus in studio.
    For a lot of professionals only these points are well worth the extra $3000.

  • twoomy

    Oh no! Insert a few dozen angry “where’s my D400″ comments here. Sorry folks; I bet you 25 cents that there never is a DX D400.

  • Nikkorboss

    .com .org .net!! Nikon needs to hurry up and release a medium format digital camera so that large format will be obsolete. They should call it nikon D4m. I’ll head over to Flickr and start a Nikon D4m Club group in case it does happen. Then I can be the moderator and nobody can tell me no!

  • http://www.facebook.com/muganhorse Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    Would be nicer if we could have a D4 sensor into a D800 – would sell like hotcakes. Not sure who would shell £5000+ for a D800 sensor in a D4 body – would expected a higher res sensor like a 54mp or maybe Nikon do 2 flavours of the D4x supporting 4k One in F Mount and one in PL Mount.

    Still need to address an equivalent to RX1, RX100 and also do a D400 (probably only do a D7000 highest DX body)…

  • Scott M.

    Sounds great if they crank up the shutter speed to 10 @FX! Would buy that.
    Or 54mpxls would do it as well.

  • alvix

    global shutter & 24mp rgb sensor for me: stop with this mechanical shutter nonsense, give me a real ” digital camera ” that doesnt stress the optics, but whose files I can enlarge up to 200 % without artifacts..

  • Aldo

    I think most people sitting around waiting for a d400 don’t use the stuff to make money. I’m getting amazing results with my d800 and can’t even think about downgrading. The camera has arguably even made me a better photographer as it has forced me to pay even more attention to detail.

  • Nikon1

    What is nikon thinking? Man of man this company has lost it.

  • Canik

    Hahahah this company is in its death throws.

  • Annon

    I don’t get it. Here I thought they wold want to build something that actually competes with the 1D-X but instead make a really expensive 6 FPS body? What’s going on at nikon? Even Sony is building a better camera now.

    • neversink

      This is a rumor site…. Who knows what is in the works??? Do you know if any new sensors are being worked on??? Everyone was taken by surprise by the D800 and the 36MP and how incredible the IQ is, particularly with existing lenses.
      If you think Sony is really building a better camera, why are you on this site? Go buy a Sony and take pics with it.

  • Lcky

    Anything from this wishlist and I will take it >>

    10-12 bit uncompressed video output

    -

    1080 60fps
    4K 24fps
    -
    48MP+
    full 16bit sensor + processing

    Thanks Nikon,

    Rumors are great :)

    • Pablo Ricasso

      Buy yourself a video digicam, then…you’re on a wrong website.

      • Lcky

        Actually I’m on a rumors site for a company making some of the most powerful media creation tools on the planet! :DD

  • Phil

    If the D7x00 has the 51 point autofocus system, I will buy. If it only the 39 point then I will not.

  • tp101

    Sorry but I can’t see the point, the d800/e is perfect for moderately high res work, sure erganomics of the full body (d4 etc) is better, but if you need those features you probably need speed as well.

    To keep above the pack most MF photogs are aiming to 60MP+ these days (if you can afford/justify it), if there is a d4x then 60MP FF and 36MP or 24MP in dx at 9FPS should be Nikon’s target. At least that’s what I want.

    PS: I have all the PC-E lenses and the 800′s pentaprism is not an issue, on the wides you just rotate the lens 180 degrees.

  • tp101

    Sorry but I can’t see the point, the d800/e is perfect for moderately high res work, sure erganomics of the full body (d4 etc) is better, but if you need those features you probably need speed as well.

    To keep above the pack most MF photogs are aiming to 60MP+ these days (if you can afford/justify it), if there is a d4x then 60MP FF and 36MP or 24MP in dx at 9FPS should be Nikon’s target. At least that’s what I want.

    PS: I have all the PC-E lenses and the 800′s pentaprism is not an issue, on the wides you just rotate the lens 180 degrees.

  • Not right

    It’s a mf camera. Watch. You’re all wrong. It has internal prism to be able to use a fx lens on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisisinclair Chris Sinclair

    Im calling 4K video on this one

    I mean….Nikon did just move their main west service center to hollywood!

    Plus 36 megapixel is perfect to scale down to 4k (12mp) and get true color depth (these are bayer sensors remember?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisisinclair Chris Sinclair

    Im calling 4K video on this one

    I mean….Nikon did just move their main west service center to hollywood!

    Plus 36 megapixel is perfect to scale down to 4k (12mp) and get true color depth (these are bayer sensors remember?)

    • KnightPhoto

      This would allow Nikon to, at least partially, answer the Canon C100/300/500 model line. I like your thinking, 4K it is, and be lively about it Nikon!

      • MyrddinWilt

        Possible but would be much better in a separate dedicated video rig with XLR inputs. A whole new body, not a DSLR.

        Thing is, an SLR is a silly design for a video camera as the mirror viewfinder can’t possibly be used. Going for 4K is pretty much the only good reason for going mirrorless on FX right now.

  • btdown

    Gotta be kidding me…d4x and still not a peep on a d700 replacement?

  • Chuck

    Ya’ know, I’ve had a lot of Nikons, F100, D100, D300, D700, P7000, D7000, and the D4. I still have all but the D300 and the D7000, and I miss having them! Point being…… I still took some great pictures with all of them!

  • Parampreet Dhatt

    The D4X would really need to have something exceptional up its sleeve to tempt users away from D800E, which is available at a much lower price point.

    I’m hoping for the following, at the very least:

    -Improved 36 MP sensor compared to the D800E

    -An improved AF system. The Canon EOS 1DX has already leapfrogged the D4 in terms of the sensor technology and performance. Also, the 51-point AF system has been around 2007 since the introduction of the D3.

    -6-8 fps at full resolution and 10-12 fps in DX mode.

    -Drop support for XQD and put in SD and CF card slots.

    • 5DollarFootlong

      Glad you aren’t working for Nikon!.
      -I’d buy be extremely happy if it had the SAME D800 sensor.
      - AF system in the D4 is wonderful and right up there with the more expensive 1DX. It can even better it with a little tweaking which I’m sure Nikon will do on the D4x
      -I’d be happy with 6fps in FX and 8 in DX.
      -Drop XQD? are you crazy? I hope they go dual XQD and drop the old outdated CF, and SD? lmao that filmsy piece of plastic does not belong on a Pro camera

  • Event Horizon

    What about the Japanese magazine prediction of a D4 sensor in a D800 body to be released in 2013?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      This was their prediction, I don’t think it will happen.

  • Rhonbo

    A D4X makes no financial sense for Nikon as D800 sales have already peaked and demand for 36mp will be low by the time the D4X comes out plus to have to pay almost double the price for a built in grip seems crazy a year after the D800 came out. A D800 with 24mp or the D400 or more pro DX lenses makes much more sense. The D4X will be a low volume seller, it should have come out first.

  • Ryan

    Can Nikon just make a simple camera with no video features but just be a kickass camera only ? I am from the old school of thought, for more features mean there is a compromise being made somewhere

    • tp101

      Ryan, I like your thinking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopherkasey Christopher-Kasey Breneman

    Seems good but i wish they would drop in a new autofocusing system. The D4 autofocus is nice but lacks viewfinder coverage.

  • KB

    “I pretty much hate my D800 bodies. The sensor is to die for, but the body? Ehh… I’d happily sell my D800 bodies and get a D4x as described above – no hesitation.”
    You got it. Also, if you value eye-focusing, the pro bodies are the best.

    • neversink

      Why don’t you sell it if you hate it. I have both a D4 and a D800 and I like both bodies….

  • http://twitter.com/Camera_Lovers Camera Photo Addict

    I want you compare with Sasung camera, elegant and great,

    Samsung NX300 mirrorless camera just on budgetr $750 http://www.lionthinks.com/samsung/new-samsung-nx300-mirrorless-camera-with-3d-lens.htm

  • Manuela

    6 fps? Which pro buys a body with only 6 fps? This is ridiculous.

    • apollo

      Look at D3x…I bet you’re a photographer who trust to method called “Spray and pray”. I have D4 and I mostly use 6 fps.

      • Manuela

        “Spray and pray”? I am not a native speaker so I can only guess what this means. Just try to catch a ball exactly when it hits a tennis racket.

        • Allen_Wentz

          Yup, that would be spray and pray. :)

          • 5DollarFootlong

            Which is the ONLY way of capturing action, with no luck on your side ;)

          • 5DollarFootlong

            Which is the ONLY way of capturing action, with no luck on your side ;)

  • Marktim

    It is here at last!!! My dream camera!

    I’m still using D300s and occationally D4 and D800. D4 has definitely better color rendition especially in bad lighting. And it is overall far better camera. D800 after D300s feels like a slow turtle. But in good light D800 has better DR and contrast while colors look artifical and unnatural (or supernatural if you like it). So D4x with color accuracy and responsibility and battery of D4 and contrast from D800e will be ultimate camera for me.

    • Aldo

      I hope a firmware update would make the d800 render colors better for jpegs and make the autobalance useful

      • marktim

        Luminiscent lighting, ISO1600. D800 flattens skin tones to unuseable gray and green spots. (To be honest most cameras does). D4 shines at ISO4000 here, still produce smooth skin gradations.
        No way to improve it in JPEG or firmware.

        • Aldo

          nice to hear you are getting good results with the D4… I make do with the D800. For jpegs I use color temperature most of the time with naked eye… always leaving the image a bit cool rather than warm. Its easier to add a little yellow and a little red than the other way around. As for the green tint. I took my camera in to nikon when it was at el segundo in cali and they took care of it… I honestly don’t see it anymore. As for the auto white balance. It is just a disaster lol… I only use it for an emergency quick shot.

  • jake

    that’s impossible , I think anyone needs 36mp sensor , already’s got the D800E or the D800 and any one needs this kind of resolution shoot on a tripod most of times like I do , so the D4X type of high mp body is not wanted.

    But there are many many people wanting a D700 type of camera , the d800 with the D600 sensor and I think Nikon admitted that Nikon knew more people requesting a proper D700 sucessor than a D3X successor.

  • Richard

    It’s gotta be a 48MP for anyone to buy it at $6k…otherwise who would pay for a full bodied D800E for twice as much

    • Allen_Wentz

      There are many of us who will do what we need to do to stay with the ergonomics of full sized bodies.

  • M!

    Nikon will introduce the Expeed 4 with at least 20-30% increase processing power to stay competitive with whatever Canon has coming in their D4X competitor. Anything over the 4fps FX in my D800E would be appreciated.
    4K video would be nice. and please keep the XQD. improved hardwire tether shooting or wireless transfer would be nice too.

  • M!

    Nikon will introduce the Expeed 4 with at least 20-30% increase processing power to stay competitive with whatever Canon has coming in their D4X competitor. Anything over the 4fps FX in my D800E would be appreciated.
    4K video would be nice. and please keep the XQD. improved hardwire tether shooting or wireless transfer would be nice too.

  • stevieg67

    There was a time when we used something called film. During that time, everyone had “FULL FRAME”. I wonder whether both Nikon and Canon are slowly returning to this, particularly with the “DX-esque” crop factors in the D800/D600 bodies. Just a thought.

  • Eric Calabos

    I’m republican and I’m against D400 abortion

    • Aldo

      I’m democrat and support FX, Republicans need to get with the times and forget about DX

      • Marko

        hmm DX format is a great format. Get your head out of your …

        • Aldo

          Oh you sure showed me… tell me why dx over fx… but hold on let me get some pop corn

          • Marko

            I’m an amateur photographer who shoots for fun, and have no need for fx as i can’t afford fx lenses. Should i go on?

            • Luis Diego Salas

              I shoot FX and love it, but DX has a certain appeal to it because of the total weight of equipment and size of DX lenses. Depending on what you do, that can be an advantage.

          • Marko

            In other words… Why do car companies make low end cars? Everyone should drive bmw and mercedez… Grow up kid. Oh and please post your portfolio. I’d love to learn from a master photographer as yourself.

            • Aldo

              Posting my shots wouldn’t open that close mind of yours. Your answer is so predictable I’m not sure you even have any creativity for amateur photography. If I was an enthusiast on a low budget, I wouldn’t think twice about getting my hands on a d700 (some selling as low as 1k on ebay). You would rather buy a more expensive dx because your nature is to whine about gear. There are many ways around dx with current fx gear prices. I just hope your photography isn’t as lame as your reasoning.

            • marco

              Ya i figured you had no portfolio to post online. Move on troll and grow up. :)

              My d70 will beat whatever you use anyday. Why because i know what photography is. Unlike you who only knows how to bash anyone and everyone. Bye bye may god bless your sins

            • Aldo

              Funny you keep calling me kid yet you are the one who types like a twelve year old. I’ll post a few shots from a recent event I covered since you are so eager to see my work, but note that this has nothing to do with whats being discussed here. You fail to prove your point with a solid argument and spit words like a sore loser.

            • Aldo

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/89218327@N06/8453604617/ some shots of a recent sweet 16 I shot in Los Angeles… straight from the camera unedited jpegs.

            • Aldo

              they were only compressed nothing else.

            • Chad

              Not impressed. I’ve seen shots out of DX as good or better. Since when has photography been about the gear and not the person behind it? DX, FX, who cares. Shoot what you want and STFU about what the other person is shooting. It’s all about choices and having them.

            • Aldo

              First i didnt post those to impress anyone… i did so cuz it was requested (you would know if you could read). And where anyone is capable of shooting such photography not everyone can produce such jpegs. Third i get paid to shoot and have fun at the same time… last you are also welcomed to post your untouched files (shot as jpegs) so that we can be impressed.

            • patto01

              This is late because I got here by following a link to a possible new D4.
              1. As someone else posted, be happy with your choices and let others be happy with theirs.
              2. If your icon is you, you are kinda young (I have children older than you look), not that it matters.
              3. Ansel Adams spent a lot of time post processing his photos in the lab which directly corresponds to processing RAW, as opposed to the kinds of things you might do in Photoshop. Unless you think you’re a better photographer than Ansel, you might want to re-think your arguments about jpeg vs RAW. But then again, you ARE young and supposed to be a little arrogant :-)
              4. I tried to match your 3 points but I think too much ;-) Sometimes I get paid, sometimes not. I have a lot more fun shooting for free. I’m glad you enjoy your paid gigs.

            • Aldo

              1. I don’t know who Ansel Adams is.
              2. I admit I sounded arrogant on some of my previous comments on this thread.

              3. I’m kinda young… but don’t let that fool you. I have over ten years of experience and have shot millions of pictures.(starting with film)

              4. I don’t argue the benefits of raw, but the advantages of shooting good jpegs.

              5. I don’t consider myself particularly better than anyone else, but I am proficient at what I do.

              6. I will never stop learning.

            • patto01

              Wow! You must be the first photographer I’ve ever met, who wasn’t familiar with Ansel Adams. In your defense, though, I get the impression that you are mostly a people shooter (weddings, portraits, etc.) and, as far as I know, Ansel was strictly landscapes. Even so, it’s worth looking him up.

              It sounded like you were arguing that people who shoot RAW are inept…

              I wasn’t trying to be a jerk or anything; having read your posts in the past, you seem like a likable fellow. I just don’t like to see people denigrate others.

            • Aldo

              You are correct… I am just an event photographer. I am usually more objective and got too defensive with this fellow.

            • patto01

              I wouldn’t say “just an event photographer.” I couldn’t do it. I’ve been asked to do weddings and other events but always turned them down with the suggestion they hire someone who specializes in that area. To be any good at that kind of thing, you’ve got to have specific skills, instincts that come from experience, and a great personality.

            • Aldo

              It’s a lot of fun… you get to meet a lot of people. If you ever feel like trying a wedding, I’d say go for it =]

            • patto01

              But that’s why I read Nikon Rumors! ;-)

            • Aldo

              Nikonrumors is fun except for the peeps who dissect everything you type to find the chance to be a smartass. It doesnt bother me too much…but this affects the flow of good..possitive and creative ideas.

            • patto01

              Well, I’ve never read any good, positive, or creative ideas on NR. It IS fun, however. And let’s be honest…being a smartass is fun! But only if your goal is humour.
              Occasionally, someone gets full of themselves and I’ll appoint myself their ego’s executioner but I try (usually unsuccessfully) not to.
              Other times, I’ll fall into the gutter with them and wallow in the slime. No excuse here.
              In the end, I just want to know what’s going on in the land of Nikon and everything else is just to pass the time.

            • Sean

              Hey Aldo, those images are warm at best. I have seen better works coming from jpegs with good use of lighting with a D7000 camera (not by me): https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.157746144413124.1073741827.157125804475158
              Here are some shot with natural light, no post processing except to put a bw filter and cropping to 16×9 for computer screen (shot with a D800 by me): https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100923804175885.1073741829.6405230&type=1&l=130733df22
              To each their own style of shooting and the camera to buy with their money. No one can really say one is better than the other. The D7k or D7100 cost under $1k nowadays. The D600 cost at least 500 more (used) which can go towards a nice lens. The D700 used while nice, might be purchased by someone who really knows their camera (in other words, do not mind a used item and the possible headache it might come with). Some people do not care about cropped = 1.5x vs fx because they don’t need to for their photography. They use it for fun and they don’t have to blow up a 8×10 or bigger image. A DX is plenty camera. I have seen stunning images with D3200 as well. Try and figure out which is shot with d3200 or d600 here: https://www.facebook.com/MasamunePhotography
              By the way, check out stuck in customs (http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2013/07/04/sony-nex-review-nikon-vs/) and he now shoots more with a sony nex and have some really stunning images. So go figure… photographer or camera. I hope you keep up with your passion of shooting and develop more in your skills.

            • Aldo

              Thank you for your reply… I agree with some of what you say but disagree with some. First what I agree with:

              you don’t need a very expensive camera to take a good picture. To each their on. The pictures of the girl are warm (I get close to an ideal wb at time of shooting but it is not perfect and it requires some wb tweeking, however the ones I posted are straight from the camera)

              now what I disagree on:

              the first link you posted are not necessarily better works. The lighting is good but it is in a controlled environment and you may be bias because of the colorful and extravagant attire. there is very little composition and thought going into posing the subjects. In other words, if my pictures were that of a clown in a complex 3+ light studio setting plus modifiers… you may like mines better. I see this happen quite often. Now If the d600 had the d700 body, focusing system and quality control and a 1500 price tag, dx would become a rather specialized format rather than a preferred format. I shoot in dx format sometimes on my d800, a lot of times because I want to get closer to the action and compose the frame on the spot. So I know the advantages of dx, from a full frame’s perspective.
              In conclusion I do believe that at one point we are going to go backwards in size. Sensors will be redesigned. They will become smaller and more powerful (in terms of image quality, resolution, ISO and DR). But for now bigger is bette. No matter who disagrees with it, it’s a fact. And if that “bigger” sensor is in par with the price of a dx sensor, the smarter wiser choice would be to make the jump to FX. It’s just simply more for your money. Of course I’m referring to the thousand dollar price line. I’m aware we won’t see a FX for 400 bucks in quite a while. And of course I’m neither referring to those who use dx as a specialized tool. I hope you understand where I’m coming from, and thanks again for your interesting reply.

            • Derek

              Needs post production work, the saturation and the tint requires tweaking. It has too much yellow in the picture

            • Derek

              But, the camera did justice, and there is no need to shoot RAW if we are not good in converting, the camera does a good job especially new ones with higher processing power. Just need some tweaking of the jpeg. You have done a good job, keep on shooting you will better the setting’s in the camera. try using some filters that will eliminate post production tweaking. If you want the photo warm as it is then it is OK. But, still will require some WB adjustment. Thanks.

            • Aldo

              agreed. these are straight from the cam though which is what I was trying to illustrate. I know nothing will match a raw + post processing. I shot raw for many years. I have learned to get good results with jpegs, which is harder to do. I do some wb tweeking, minor exposure adjustments along with other things (depending on the customer) in LR.. But I only do this to the pictures the customer chooses for say a photo book. e.g. Customer chooses 100 pictures for a photo book from the 800-1000 I shoot. I work on 100 jpegs instead of 1000 raws. I don’t know if you can see the benefit in doing this, but it is a great strategy for work flow, and it has worked well for me. Thank you for the tips and cheers =]

            • Jozef Povazan

              Exposure is fine for a JPG but oh boy her eyes are soft due to your focusing on the tip of the bouquet :) But confidence you have no question about it :), btw, I shoot JPG and love RAW so that does not impress me :), nice bride though :)

            • Aldo

              If choosing fx over dx is a sin… then I’ll proudly and willingly head to the gallows pole.

            • Lcky

              switching to digital I started w a d200 and a sigma 2.8 zoom. then the d300s and used FX when a job called for it. Now I can afford FX equip. but I still make prints from the dx images I shot. They totally rocked.

            • Aldo

              you seem to have clear the advantages of fx over dx. In terms of scaling your gear you made the correct choices staring with dx as fx WAS really expensive. I wish I had done the same as you did when I switched to digital… instead I paid a lot of money for an fx canon which greatly devalued. However, imagine you are still using film and you are about to switch to digital now? would you honestly pick dx over fx? I don’t argue that dx cameras are capable but the gap in price is so close that dx is only better for you if 1. You want to spend 500 dollars or less. 2. The size of your camera is a huge factor for you. FX won’t make you a better photographer, but it is clearly the best tool for the money.

            • js

              Or 3.) you do wildlife or sports and need that crop to get closer to your subjects without spending thousands on an FX zoom. They each have their purpose and one isn’t better than the other. Looking back at my old D70s shots, I’m tempted to purchase that camera again. I’d like to go FX but can’t justify paying an extra $2000 just to pixel peep. If FX is the future then all companies will have to figure out a way to produce them a LOT cheaper. It’s nice to see the D600 and 6D coming down but it’s still at a professional price. Not everyone wipes their ass with $100 bills like you do.

            • Aldo

              I dont wipe my ass with 100 dollar bills… i use twenties… i also get paid to shoot. Although your point is valid it does not make your dx camera essencial. People say 36 mp is too much even 24… but the 15 plus the d800 offers to few? Lets stick to the people who dont wipe their ass with money. They can buy one camera only. Wouldnt they get more for their money buying buying an fx if the price is right? Remember in dx you are always chopped …you cant unchop yourself…with fx you can. If you do one single thing with your gear like wildlife then you do need focused tools…but those tools are already available.

            • Desmo

              I use toilet paper
              So I can afford my nikon habit

            • Aldo

              I’m thinking of switching back to toilet paper too… the bills are too rough…

            • Anto de Chav

              FX is top dog…. only reason to buy DX is if your tight on cash…

            • Evaldo Césari

              I am wildlife photographer and things have changed after d800. The crop gain of a d7000 over d800 Is zero. cropping both at 800×600 will give you the same imager now! The d800 in dx is a d7000 !!!! and when you use fx it makes it way lit easier to capture birds in flight, or its it in-house as you have a wider area coverage.

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          Not sure what word you were thinking, but I assume some synonym for “donkey”.

        • Bob the builder

          Sure its a great format if you dont want your lenses to actually be what they are. idk how long you have been doing photography or whatever. but the DX Format was standard for a long time but no one made “DX” Specific lenses till Everyone started pushing “FX” or “Full Frame” Sensors. As a Professional, I will never go back to “DX” Sensors Unless its some sort of do or die situation. I mean my back up camera Nikon D2x is a DX Sensor but i havent used it in about 3 or 4 years. I Have the 14-24mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, and various others. why would i want to handicap my lenses with such a Sensor format. DX is great for beginners now a days, it has vary little place in a professionals bag, and to be honest the “DX” Format will be filtered out completely from DSLRs, Even Mirrorless cameras are looking towards full frame like the Leica M-E. there is an obvious trend here, and that the Full Frame sensor is far superior to the DX, there is no question about that… and if there is any question about it than you should be properly educated.

      • YRaj

        Aldo,
        I have a D800 like you and i shoot events. However, I also like to shoot wildlife in my off time. For this I would love to have a D400. FPS, Crop factor reach, great focus tracking…..and now far better noise control than the D300s, stiill a great DX camera.
        I can get 6FPS with the D800 but only 9MP.
        Keep up the good work but you shouldn’t knock DX until you use one for shooting birds.

    • alvintoro

      This spiraled down fast…

    • Zachary Larsen

      I’m a Libertarian, I run Linux, and I have a Palm smartphone. Everything I love is unloved by everybody else. Might as well switch to Pentax…

  • rhlpetrus

    I don’t get it. Nikon would sell tons of the D800 body + D600 sensor at 7-8fps. Now how many of those D4x will they sell? It seems that Nikon is back to their almost pro-only mentality. Yes, people in studios and the ultimate landscapers may get it, but who else?

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