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Nikon support: Nikkor PC-E 24mm f/3.5D ED lens cannot be used with shifting and tilting on the D800 *updated*

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This press image (distributed only in Europe) shows the Nikkor PC-E 24mm f/3.5 lens attached to the Nikon D800

According to Nikon USA tech support the Nikkor PC-E 24mm f/3.5D ED lens cannot be used with shifting and tilting on the Nikon D800. This discussion has been going on for few days now in the NR comments section and on Twitter and Nikon USA has not updated their response online which makes me think that this is their "final answer" (in the mean time they did remove one of the critical comments in that thread):

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It is worth checking the support thread again next week after this post has been online for few days.

Update: here is Nikon D800/D800E lens compatibility table:

Update #2: Lars Pettersson from Nikon confirmed that D800 will work just fine with any of the Nikkor PC-E lenses.

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  • T.I.M

    Well, now I may cancel my D800e and get a D3x instead….
    :(
    Thank you Peter for the update.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      let’s wait and see if the support thread will be updated after this post

      • Chimphappyhour

        I wouldn’t hold your breath. Whoever answers these posts on their site for them is the LEAST knowledgeable person at Nikon.

      • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

        I think your image shows a 45mm PC-E mounted Peter. The 24mm PC-E (unless now altered in manufacturing by Nikon) has a very small wheel lock on the right hand side of the lens. It’s fiddly and annoying. In the image you have shown, the orientation of the lens has been turned 90 degrees so the wheel lock in question is the one at the bottom in this picture. That particular wheel lock only comes with the 45 and 85 as standard as far as I know.

        • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

          I have my angles wrong – ignore that. It is very possible it is indeed the 24mm. Would have been nice to see the lens label ;)

    • T.I.M

      ok,
      Thanks to this tread we know now that the D800 is fully compatible with Nikkor PC-E lenses (with better clearance compared to the D700).
      Thank you all for your help.
      The most difficult part is now to make my wife believe that I can’t live without the 24mm PC-E f/3.5
      :)

    • Joe

      It just says that light metering is not accurate when the lens is tilted or shifted. That’s nothing new, that’s the case on all cameras. Have a look at the D700 lens compatibility table, it’s the same there and the PC-Es work on the D700.

  • Donji Hogfan

    Samyang here is your chance.
    I bet nikon is working on a new lens too

  • http://photo.marktim.ru Mark

    So… wait 4 d4x

  • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

    i call BS.
    i seen it on my own eyes and it have about same clearance as D700. you hit the body when rotating shifted lens, but same problem is with all bodies except D3

    not sure why they say it cannot be used but probably they are just trying to save their but by not offering “full” functionality.

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      to expand my comment:

      because there is still the flash, but now 100% VF, i can come with that there are some few millimeters smaller clearance then D700 have. Already D700 have issues with rotating shifted lens and is not listed as compatible (afair).

      so result: you can pan the lens, rotate lens fully, but to some extremes you will go only through centering lens before rotating and vertical shift will be probably limited, especially partly rotated.

      nothing to worry about for me

    • Mock Kenwell

      Yeah. The deal here is to wait and see. Even with the low distribution of this lens, this would be a fairly monumental oversight for a camera BUILT for landscape photographers. Yes, the extreme movements that would be affected by this limitation are not often used, but for the price of the body and the lens, a simple matter of clearance should not be an issue.

      • LeGO

        It is the D800 and D800E that needs the PC-E lenses the most to get the necessary DOF without hitting the lens diffraction zone.

  • Landscape Photo

    It must be either replied by incompetent staff, or maybe it’s a real issue. Is the prism restricting the movements? It doesn’t look so from the image above.

    Plus, I can’t image Nikon wouldn’t take their lenses into consideration while designing the new body, or deliberately ignoring for favor of some other reason.

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      pce lenses are sold in very very small amounts.
      like even less then super telephotos for thousands of dollars.
      making body much larger for those few cases (especially when knowing that those people will either use another body, MF camera, or just work with limitations without contacting support about scratched body) are fully out of problem

      • Landscape Photo

        +1

      • Zeke

        I couldn’t disagree more.

        First, 36MP is THE sensor to use with a PC-E. If these lenses could only to be made to work on one body, it should be the D800, not the D4.

        Second, Nikon is selling a _system_. They designed the lenses and they designed the bodies. They should work together properly. People buy into big systems in order to have the option of many lenses, even if they only ever buy one or two.

        You could make the same excuse for incompatibility with any other single lens, because _every_ lens represents a relatively small percentage of products sold.

        Third, the clearance is incredibly close. It would not have required a radical change to the D700 (or D800) to accommodate the PC-Es.

        I suspect the Nikon rep is wrong when he said that the lenses couldn’t be tilted or shifted at all. On the other hand, wasn’t there another rep quoted as saying that the full range of tilts and shifts would work?

        Nikon are a bunch of bozos if they screwed this up again.

        • Jim W

          I _completely_ agree.

          _bozos_.

        • bob2

          Do you even have a 24mm PC-E, or do you simply cry like a little girly that just lost her favorite doll?

          If Nikon is so incompetent, sell your Nikon and go Canon, or better yet, get the Samyang POS.

          • Zeke

            Aren’t you the charmer.

            I DO in fact own a 24mm PC-E, although that doesn’t change the validity of my point one way or the other. If what I said is true, and it is, then it doesn’t matter what lens I own.

            Nikon deserves criticism for releasing a series of lenses that smash into the viewfinders of their own cameras for want of a millimeter or two of clearance.

        • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

          i am sure they could design it to work fully, but simply is not an issue.
          serious photogs will know that even it is listed as incompatible, they can use it and those limitation (weird rotations with full shift in some cases) are not that common.
          besides, landscape photogs rarely need vertical shift, when, then horizontal (which will not be issue).
          same as product and studio shooters

          so make me it clear:

          if you rotate it for 45% and tilt for more then xmm, it will hit the body.
          As you rarely need shifted and rotated lens, simply first rotate, then shift
          voila…. problem solved
          well except, maybe you cannot shift fully up, that’s remain to be seen, but D700 have still lotsa place left

          • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

            “…45% and tilt for mo…”

            should have been “…45% and shift for mo…”

          • http://www.robertash.com Robert Ash

            The main photographers using tilt/shift lenses are not landscape photographers. They are:

            - architectural photographers and
            - studio commercial photographers

            The ultimate tool for both of these disciplines is a view camera. Not having to lug around a view camera to get the most-often used critical benefits of a view camera is the real purpose of a PC lens with tilt/shift. So those photographers, for whom the D800/E would be of most benefit would also be the most hurt by this PC Lens limitation. Unless your workaround works for them, which would be great.

        • http://AdairCreativeGroup.com Ron Adair

          “First, 36MP is THE sensor to use with a PC-E. If these lenses could only to be made to work on one body, it should be the D800, not the D4.”

          That seems like the only logical solution, unless….

          Nikon needed to make some compromises on the D800 body due to size constraints, 100% viewfinder, etc, and they knew that there was another camera that was equally or better suited in the resolution dept. Everyone is saying there won’t be a D4x, but maybe it’s all misguided rumor. Again.

          Of course, Chiel (below) says that Nikon Europe has confirmed the D800 is a great match with all the PC-E lenses, so…

    • Landscape Photo

      Even with the worst case, it should have partial functionality at least.

  • El_Pickerel

    Reminiscent of that facebook goof a while ago where they mentioned needing the best NIKKOR lenses to get the photos you wanted. Oops!

  • http://www.BogdanSandulescu.Ro fotograf

    Thx Nikon. :|

  • Lee

    Oh well, the Scheinder T/S looked cooler anyway…

    • Ralph

      Schneider dont make a WA TS, they only make a 50, 90 and 120

      • El_Pickerel

        They also make a 28mm f/2.8

        • bob2

          But Schneider doesn’t make a 24mm. And if you need a 24mm, then it doesn’t matter what Schneider makes.

          • yrsued

            To quote the great Ernst Haas.

            “If you need a 24mm and you only have a 28mm, step back 5 meters.”
            Ernst Haas
            Brooks Institute Graduation
            4/18/1995

            • http://www.robertash.com Robert Ash

              Unless your back’s against a brick wall, or you’re standing close to the edge of a ledge, cliff or other limitation. Trust me, I’ve been in those situations way too often. Then a wider-angle is the only real answer (or doing a pano, which is often not possible or not very easy).

    • Greg

      The Schneider 28mm doesn’t tilt, it only shifts, so depending on what you’re using it for it may not fill the gap.

  • http://molnarcs.500px.com Csaba Molnar

    I think you forgot to mention something Nasim noted on mansuvors.com:
    “First of all, Nikon needs to do something about their incompetent staff. In this context, “can not” should be spelled as “cannot”. They did not even bother to write a complete sentence. Second, why does Nikon allow staff members to provide answers without checking facts? The very first image from the Nikon D800E Sample Images was shot with the Nikon 45mm f/2.8D PC-E lens.” http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-is-not-compatible-with-nikkor-pc-e-lenses

    That Nikon support staff member should be immediately fired.

    • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

      This thread and the question raised to Nikon staff was about the 24mm PC-E. The fact that there is a sample image on Nikon’s own site from the 45mm might seem confusing at first and would appear to suggest there is no issue with the 24mm, but they are absolutely NOT the same lens and have different physical characteristics. I own both the 24 and 45mm PC-E and have shot them for nearly 2 years on my D700. While they both have a 77mm filter and look similar, there is additional body clearance with the 45mm that you don’t get with the 24mm. This is probably to do with the focal length.

      Here’s an image I found on the web which shows what I’m talking about. Look at the difference between the 24 and 45:

      Nikon-24mm-PC-E-vs-Nikon-45mm-PC-E-vs-Nikon-85mm-PC-E.jpg

      As someone else has already said, the viewfinder is now 100% and actually the D700 body is also slightly bigger than the D800. I am preying that this won’t be a ‘real life’ issue and Nikon are just covering their ass, but knowing the differences between the two lenses and adding in the adjustments which go to make up the D800 it is also very possible that they are telling the truth. If that’s the case then I would be bitterly disappointed, and actually I think this would be a massive faux pas on their part. They launch a body designed for landscape that doesn’t mount the 24mm PC-E, designed for landscape? That would defy belief… I would have to result to my 45mm, I would sell the 24mm and buy a Zeiss 21mm ZF.2 instead, but I would be gutted.

    • ScottW

      While “cannot” is preferred, “can not” is completely acceptable and correct.

    • enesunkie

      Tough croud. I’m glad I wasn’t fired every time I made a splelling mistake.

    • Calibrator

      “That Nikon support staff member should be immediately fired.”

      Yeah – let’s fire everyone making the slightest mistake!

      Better yet:
      Give his children to child care because he can’t spell right!
      And confiscate all income for the next three years so the fucker learns his lesson!

      (that was irony)

  • Cloke

    You would think Nikon would hire some COMPETENT support staff to be the face of the company! I think this is the problems when dealing with a Japan based company that deals worldwide. Not enough technical knowledge coming out of the engineers to be able to give out full details. But really “Staff,” you can’t construct a complete sentence to answer a very valid question!?

  • arizonaSteve

    Frankly, I don’t think Nikon owes more of an answer than “they aren’t compatible.” Would it be nice if they gave more detail? Sure.

    And I think the person ranting who had the rating as “best answer” sounds like an ass.

    Admittedly, I have only messed around with tilt shift lenses for fun. I don’t use them in my day to day work. But someone with a tilt shift lens and D800 will test them out together soon enough.

    • Zeke

      If “customer support” means anything at all, then Nikon certainly does owe their customers a more detailed answer than “they aren’t compatible.”

    • bob2

      “And I think the person ranting who had the rating as “best answer” sounds like an ass.”

      Nailed it!!!!

    • King of Swaziland

      You’re right, Nikon doesn’t owe us an answer, they owe their shareholders an answer. Because pissing on your customers (especially your best customers, the ones who buy all that expensive, high-margin stuff) is a really awesome way to lose those customers, and the profit they represent.

      The jackass model of customer service is always a winner for profit margins in the long run…

      • Joe Horvath

        I would bet that Nikon only makes a tiny fraction of their revenue from the pro market, besides, if a single instance of poor customer service is enough to get somebody to switch systems (especially a heavily invested pro/advanced am) then I’m not sure they really want those customers anyway.

      • Calibrator

        Customer support on the whole SUCKS – with every company, with every product and in every country.
        Sure, there are exceptions but this isn’t the 50ies anymore where the customer was the king.
        Now the shareholders that are the kings and they give a shit about customers as long as the profit keeps coming — and because everybody is used to shitty service the profits keep coming in.

        • King of Swaziland

          Nikon’s jackass model of customer service has already cost them (and other Japanese mfgs.) dearly in the stepper market. Obviously they should continue to spread the fail as far as possible, and lose as many customers as they can.

  • Denis Ball

    This Nikon site suggests it is fully compatible in manual focus mode.. http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm

    • Ralph

      If you read point 5 (superscriupt on all the checked items) it says you cant tilt or shift.

      This has to be the biggest screw up Nikon has ever done. If this is true I will cancel my D800E. The 24 PC-E is my favourite lens. I can not believe that their best landscape lens wont work with their best landscape camera.

      I am so pissed off, I would like to know who at Nikon is so monumentally stupid.

      • Zeke

        Take a breath – they mean that those features don’t work reliably with the lens tilted or shifted, which is true even on a D3.

        • Ralph

          What are you talking about? This lens works fine on my D700, no issue except care of orientation when mountng lens. Functionally its fine on the D700. The D3 has no issues with this lens.

          • Zeke

            Ugh. Please re-read my remark and the manual that came with your lens, specifically pages 24 and 28.

            Nikon has always held, for all cameras including the D3, that the metering and focus indicators only work properly with PC-E lenses when the lens is not shifted or tilted.

            • Ralph

              My apologies, when someone writes that it doesn’t work, I assume they mean it doesn’t work as intended. I know the limitations of the TS lens.

        • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

          Agreed. You have generally have to meter and focus before using a lot of tilt or shift… I wouldn’t read too much into those charts.

      • btdown

        Could be the same idiot who decided to drop 36mp and 4fps on the d800 instead of what *everyone* was expecting and asking for.

        • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

          lol. You mean everyone but me, any everyone else who couldn’t wait a nano-second to pre-order it. It was clear for a long time it was going to be a big MP replacement… The “idiot” you are talking about is a hero in my eyes :)

    • T.I.M

      @Denis Ball
      Nice catch !
      But what is the “electronic rangefinder” ? Is it the live view mode or the L.E.D focusing scale help (the arrows and the green dot) ?
      Thank you.
      :)

      • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

        I take that as “the arrows and dot”. They don’t always work if you use extreme movements of the lens. When you start to use the extremes of the image circle of the lens, the focusing system loses the plot, not altogether surprisingly.

  • Faisal` .

    Why they specifically mentioned 24 PC-E and not the whole PC-E family lenses I wonder !

  • Zeke

    Auto-exposure and the focus indicator don’t work reliably on the PC-E lenses when tilting or shifting, on any camera. This is a fundamental limitation of the system, and one that is noted in Nikon’s spec sheets by the footnote “Can not be used with shifting or tilting..”

    I suspect the rep read that footnote and interpreted it to mean that the lens itself couldn’t be shifted or tilted at all with a D800.

    • Jim

      +1

  • Vytas Narusevicius

    Why does the D800 brochure quote Benjamin Anthony Monn saying that the “PC NIKKOR tilt & shift lineup are indispensable for architectural photography. From my hands-on experience they match perfectly with the newly invented system and produce breathtakingly clean, clear and sharp files.” Hopefully he actually tried the lens before stating this.

  • oğuzhan suer

    Hi

    I think this about the d800′s pop up flash… Otherwise you can use your pc lenses… But E series pc-e lenses not compatible d90-d5000-d3000 series…

    I used canon 24mm ts-e lens with 550D body when ı trying to shift up the pop up flash deny the lens… ı think this is about the pop up flash….

  • Bob Agens

    Ok, this is just stupid. Follow the link posted by Denis Ball (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm) and see the notes. The tech guy clearly copied his answer from there. What can’t be used with the lens tilted or shifted is the electronic rangefinder to assist manual focus. Apparently no metering is possible either, which I find strange.

    • Ralph

      The exposure on a TS lens is unreliable when shifted or tilted. The lens manual mentions this and I always shoot 3 shots bracketed.

    • Silvio Rusmigo

      Well technically that means that the lens works on full full manual mode. I personally don’t mind what i gain is grater than the fact i cannot meter.

    • http://www.settlephotography.com jeff

      Actually, metering works fine w/o tilt or shift. So, meter before making adjustments and bracket. Life will be good.

  • http://mike.heller.ca/blog Mike

    Already have the D800 on order, the 24mm PC-E was likely my next lens. Disappointing if true.

  • I should be shooting

    I love Nikon, but I’m glad I got a Canon 5D Mark II with the 17mm. Had a Nikon rep tell me they wouldn’t ever go that wide. But wasn’t there a patent for a Nikon 17mm design filed some time ago?

    • Ralph

      The Canon TS range seems more mature and certainly offers better operation as well. The 17mm would be intereting to try out, although I use the 24 with tilt to get more in focus – with 17 I would think just about everything is in focus but I would love to see a 20mm.

      • Sahaja

        To give credit where credit is due, T/S lenses is one area where Canon have always been better.

    • Calibrator

      “I love Nikon, but I’m glad I got a Canon 5D Mark II with the 17mm. Had a Nikon rep tell me they wouldn’t ever go that wide.”

      Do you really trust a rep to know such stuff?
      I wouldn’t believe product strategies (which product is made when etc.) even if it was a Japanese rep working in Nikon HQ.

  • Hermann Kloeti

    With a 24 PC-E in my camera bag and a D800 on order I find this info quite disconcerting – at this late stage, anyway. Nikon treats its customers and the public about as “competently” and openly as Tepco …..

  • Silvio Rusmigo

    i cant believe this is true or i am hoping it isn’t because i ordered the D800E and one of the many lenses that is coming with it is the 24 PC-E…. Im in a panic mode atm

  • broxibear

    Talking about D800s…the first unboxing video appeared on youtube today, so maybe some of you will get their D800s this week ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA1VkFHKa3Y

    • T.I.M

      @broxibear
      That guy have both D800/D800e !
      no fair….
      :(

      • broxibear

        It’s the calm before the storm.
        Cheer yourself up with Kai’s 85mm f/1.8G test…and a pole dancer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUg5B22dFRk NSFW for some.

        • BTDOWN

          ugh…Kai is perhaps the most annoying person on earth…except for maybe Sean…

          • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

            Oh no… Kai is way more annoying than me.

    • Robin

      What!!! no manual included with a $3000.00 camera?

      • Jesus_sti

        who read manual of a 3000 $ camera ?

        • Robin

          May be Jesus is gifted, and doesn’t need to. But even if my name wasn’t Jesus and was Scott Kelby I would still read a $3000.00 camera manual from cover till end. It’s my hard earned money dude, not a gift from my father ;-)

          • B!

            Agreed. It’s amazing how many features people miss by not reading the manual. Not just with cameras.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      I don’t think this is a “real” unboxing video – this is a sample sent from Nikon (no warranty, big yellow label at the bottom)

  • Gordon

    I find it hard to believe the 24mm PC-E lens could not be used on the D800 for tilting and shifting. The PC-E lenses and the D800 are a perfect pairing in order to capture maximum detail.

    On my D700 my 24mm PC-E lens cannot fully rotate, especially if the larger knob of the shift is at the top of the rotation. Hopefully there will be enough clearance on the D800 body faller the smaller shifting knob to be positioned at the top of the rotation.

    • Gordon

      Another thing too, surely Nikon had some professional landscape and architecture photographers beta testing the D800 with PC-E lenses.

      John Shaw use to be a Nikon Legend Behind the Lens, I don’t know if Nikon use him to test pre-release bodies but he uses all the PC-E lenses for his work with a D3X. Surely other professional Nikon landscape photographers use them too.

      It does not make logical sense to build a new body from group up targeting landscape, architectural and studio photopgraphers, but making the body incompatible with a staple lens these genres use.

  • http://www.omgsquirrel.com OMGSquirrel

    I am sure Nikon will refresh their T/S.

    They take their time and you always scratch your head and ask “WHY” but when Nikon finally does make the product you want, boy do they make it sexy.

    Also at a price you just can’t afford unless you’re mad rich.

  • Dweeb

    Not like anyone would use Nikon’s widest shift lense for architecture at 36MP anyway.

    Way to go Nikon. When am I gonna read that NX development has stopped?

  • Ralph

    I just reviewed the lens compatability chart on the D700 and it is identical to the D800 as far as the PC-E lens is concerned, I know it all works fine on the D700 except for care required to mount. Since it ticks the box as a Manual lens without any restrictions I’m assuming that it will mount and operate in TS. Im assuming since the D800 is tighter space wise that it may require more care to mount.

    The note on focus and metering I believe is no different to the current TS restrictions. All TS lenses seem to cause these issues for AF and metered cameras. Focusing with rangefinder makes little sense on a TS lens.

    On tilt I focus with the LCD and I focus on the distant area of the frame and then Tilt to bring the foreground into sharp focus, I then go back and finetune focus of the distant subject area. This is a ll done on LCD with magnification.

    I find metering can be out by up to a stop. So bracket.

  • Mike

    Seriously, Nikon if you have people fronting your company they, at bare minimum, should use every body with every lens so they have practical experience in addition to technical knowledge.

    While you’re at it Nikon, change whoever looks after your Facebook page. The posts sound like a 15 year old thought them up: “Um, like, if you were to go to Disney World, what lens would you take and what would you take pictures of?”.

    Re: 24 PC-E. Samyang, time to play your T/S card! Funny that the 18-55 VR DX lens will be fully functional on the D800, but not the 24 PC-E lens. Shame.

  • http://www.tylerevert.com Tyler Evert

    Jam it on there I say.

  • MB

    Here is the current Nikon PC-E Lens compatibility statement for PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/ 3.5D ED used on D700/D300/D300S/D7000/D90/D5000/D5100/ D3000/D3100 *1,*2:
    Aperture setting by camera: Compatible
    One-touch preset aperture operation: Compatible
    Tilting/Shifting: Compatible *3
    Mounting to a camera: Compatible *4
    *1 When the lens power or the camera is turned off using the auto meter off function while stopping down the lens aperture the diaphragm blades fully open to the maximum aperture. This is not a malfunction.
    *2 Stopping down the lens aperture activates AE-L (AE lock)
    *3 Use of tilt/shift function may cause some vignetting (Vignetting is the darkening of the corners around the image.) and color shading. Also when the lens is mounted to a camera other than D3, tilt and/or the lens with care. Failure to do so, may result in your fingers being nipped between the lens and the camera body, or the lens scratching the camera body.
    *4 Avoid attaching/detaching the lens to/from the camera while using tilt, shift and/or revolving, and without locking each knob. Failore to do so may lead to you pinching your fingers between the lens and the camera body, or the lens scratching the camera body.

    D800 is not yet included here at all so the poor oblivious guy a Nikon support did what he did, but if the PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/ 3.5D ED can be used on a D700 or on a much smaller bodies like D90 then it will most certainly be usable on a D800 too.

  • Czecho

    Is this a joke or what? Why buy a new cam, if i can not use all lenses, What disaster comes next?

  • http://www.thejordancollective.com CaryTheLabelGuy [NR]

    I’m almost positive the PC-E 24mm will work fine on the D800/E. There are probably some limitations, just as there was with the D700. To my eyes, it looks like the D800′s flash housing sits a little higher than the D700 and sticks out less, which means the D800 will probably have slightly more room to work with. I’ve heard this to be true, as well.

    Let’s all settle down and not jump to conclusions just yet.

  • Pierre T.

    At 02:05 in this video on NPS Web site, we see a PC lense mounted on the D800. Focal length is unspecified. Worst case scenarion, it will be the same kind of limitations that we have on the D700. Silly nevertheless given the target audience for that body.

    • http://www.russbarnes.co.uk RussB

      That’s the 24mm PC-E he has mounted, no question, I can tell by the depth of the lens hood.

  • peteee363

    i hope it works, i just sold my 28mm pc, and got a 24mm pc-e. it does have a glitch on my d700, and i was so hoping it would work on the d800.

  • Chiel

    Wow guys, relax.

    Of course it will work with the 24mm PC-E.

    Check out this topic at DP review: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=40563571&q=D800+PCE&qf=m

    • http://AdairCreativeGroup.com Ron Adair

      Chiel –

      I agree with Matthias. You’ve got some great work on your site http://www.denooyer.nl

      And I can see why you’d have a vested interest in the PC lenses. ; )

      • Calibrator

        “You’ve got some great work on your site http://www.denooyer.nl

        +1

        • Chiel

          Thank you for the kind words. Really appreciate it!

  • Chiel

    “Nikon Europe today told me that, in contrast to the D700 and D300s, the D800 supports all possible shift and tilt operations of all PC-E lenses without any body conflicts.”

  • Chiel

    Nikon Europe wrote:
    1.
    vielen Dank für Ihr Schreiben. Das Objektiv “Nikkor PC-E 24mm f/3.5 D” ist vollständig # mit der Nikon D800 kompatibel. Tilt und Shift sind in jeder Stellung voll verwendbar. # Dies gilt auch bei der gleichzeitigen Verwendung des Batteriehandgriffs MB-D12.

    1.
    Ich hoffe ich konnte Ihnen hiermit ein wenig weiterhelfen.

    1.
    Mit freundlichen Grüßen

    1.
    Marcel Diebold

    2.
    Nikon Europe – Pro Support

    • fred

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      THIS!

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      (Via Google Translate)

    • fred

      ‘ ‘ Thank you for your letter. The Lens “Nikkor 24mm f/3.5 PC-E D” is fully compatible with the Nikon D800. Tilt and shift are fully usable in any position. This also applies to the simultaneous use of the Battery Pack MB-D12. ‘ ‘

  • John

    OMG… Say it not so…. My life is over… I’m switching to Canon…. No to Sony…. Hell with it all i’m getting a pentax…

    Wait … I don’t own this lens…. And if I did doesn’t it still work on the camera that I own right now…

    Just putting it all into perspective…

    I’m just waiting for the Nikon d900 to arrive any day now,…. Or maybe a new shift lens…

  • Ball_Lightning

    Guys, some of you really should come down again and chill a little bit.

    I am quite sure that this post on the Nikon tech support is either wrong or misinterpreted. From the photos i saw, i would even say the D800 offers more space for a TS lens than the D700.

  • Steve Wake

    READ THIS! http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm

    So this NR thread and headline is a big tempest in a teapot, caused by a lazy and perhaps ignorant Nikon tech support person who copied and pasted from that document without providing CONTEXT.

    The 24 PC-E will work fine on the D800 (probably with similar physical limitations as on the D700), but you need to manually meter, eg. use the histogram. What is not compatible is rangefinder focus confirm, and metering other than spot, when the lens is tilted or shifted. This is physics, not a shortcoming of the lens, body, or a special new incompatibility caused by Nikon incompetence.

    As far as I’m concerned, if NR wants to retain some credibility it should change the sensationalist headline and issue a clarification, as I’m sure some level heads like Thom Hogan will do, eventually.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      Now it’s NR’s fault that Nikon tech support answered that way? I posted that because several readers were confused and emailed me about it. I still don’t understand why this is a problem – I clearly stated in the title that this is Nikon support statement and not my own.

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        +1,000,000

  • Chiel

    Again:

    (please read people…)

    IN CONTRAST TO THE D700 AND D300S, THE D800 SUPPORTS ALL POSSIBLE SHIFT AND TILT OPERATIONS OF ALL PC-E LENSES WITHOUT ANY BODY CONFLICTS.

    • Zeke

      I hope he’s right of course, but at this point it’s just a quote from US Nikon rep versus a hearsay quote from a Euro Nikon rep.

      Nikon messed up the viewfinder clearance on the D700. It wasn’t like the 24mm PC-E was a future product they couldn’t have considered when designing the D700 – the lens had been released earlier, as had the D3.

      Given that, those of us with PC-Es are right to be asking about the D800, rather than assuming.

  • rhlpetrus

    The D800/E seem to be bringing people to a hysterical state nearing total madness. I doubt it’s different from D700 in that respect.

    • rhlpetrus

      And Peter, I think you should be a little more careful with the way you title the posts, this one is a bit on the bad side of journalism.

      • OsoSolitario

        Maybe Peter wants to get most audience on NR pages…. so, titles like this help soo much!
        I agree this title (PC-E not compatible…) is just to drive people to write and write… not always with the right common sense!!

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

        Not sure what you mean – the title is based on the answer from Nikon support.

  • FanBoy

    If what Nikon is saying is true and valid, there must have another higher MP FX camera (D4x) coming this year.

  • Paul

    Possible explanation: the Nikon website at: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm
    Has a table which says manual focus works on the 24 PC, suggesting that you can mount the lens on the camera.
    It also says you cannot use tilt/shift in M, A, S, or P modes. HOWEVER, you cannot set exposure correctly on this lens on a D3 when it is tilted or shifted. You have to set exposure with it not tilted or shifted.
    Here’s hoping…

    • Sahaja

      “cannot use tilt/shift in M, A, S, or P modes” – then just what mode are you going to use it in?

      Surely it works in M?

  • Daryl

    Does anyone have the measurements for this camera or know what the clearance is around the lens flange? I want to mount medium format lenses on the D800E and not sure they will fit, on my D200 the adapter has 1.5mm clearance.

  • FALSE RUMOR!!!!

    I suggest you stick to rumors related to new Nikon products!!!

    Proof:
    http://imaging.nikon.com/…lineup/microsite/d800/architecture/on-assignment/

    On the right column, it states:
    “I shot this in live view photography mode using the PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED”.
    http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/microsite/d800/architecture/

    • Rob

      I suggest you try at least reading the title of his post before bashing his site. Namely, the part where is says it cannot be used WITH SHIFTING AND TILTING.

  • Bill

    Hey, if it hits the flange under the flash just mod it with a grinder, plenty of room to shift then! I use the 24 shift for the majority my work, love it.

  • PhilK

    I’m inclined to think it’s more likely just overworked/under-trained staff and/or language barriers that may have resulted in misunderstandings.

    I’m inclined to cut Nikon staff a little more slack this year due to the monumental strain it must have been on everyone to help get their 2 main factories back online after 2 back-to-back “100 year nature events”.

    However for the sake of argument anyway: I realize that you cannot replicate what a tilt lens does in terms of focus, in post-processing.

    But I was under the impression that much of the reason that people originally used shift lenses for (avoiding having to tilt the camera/lens resulting in converging parallel lines) could be achieved in Photoshop/DxO etc.? Or is the ‘selective stretching’ that those tools outweigh the great flexibility/convenience advantage of doing that job digitally?

    So I would think there’s some possibility that the importance of at least the shift part is not what it once was, hence Nikon’s priorities may have changed slightly too.

    • Michael

      No, it’s not fully possible to replicate it in Photoshop.

  • RThomas

    Hmmm. If the shift lenses, particularly the 24mm, really do have a significant limitation on the D800… I may just have to skip it and go with a 4×5 monorail camera instead.

    The $5000+ I would spend on the D800 and a single shift lens would buy a nice view camera and lenses, plus a ton of 4×5 film.

  • City Shooter

    Nikon posted information on lens compatability at http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/compatibility02.htm

    You should meter before tilting and shifting – as you need to do with all Nikon cameras (See the Pc-E 24 lens manual.
    In addition, it may be that you need to use live view to focus which is a problem in bright daylight. I tend to use the live view for critical focusing when I’m on a tripod anyway. (note this is a manual focus lens)

    Did I read this correctly?

  • Dan G.

    Sure is Canon in here.

    No metering or focus assist while tilted/shifted… duh.

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