Update #2: also don’t hold your breath for the Nikon press event in Japan next Tuesday – it will probably be similar to this one.
Update #1: I think Zoltar misunderstood this press release. In this announcement Nikon is talking about two DSLRs – the D3000 and D3s, but those are not new. I also got the time right (almost – I was expecting it @ 12 instead of 11 am, I still think the actual press event @ PMA will be at noon today).
I knew that there will be a press release about two DSLR cameras today from Nikon, but I did not expect them to have a press release about products that were already released! This is the story.
This just got published on Nikon USA press center – I guess there will be no new products. Sorry, I screwed up this time!
Nikon Exhibit Highlights First Look of New COOLPIX Line-Up, Nikon D3S, and Legendary NIKKOR Lenses
PMA INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION & TRADE SHOW, BOOTH # 2200, ANAHEIM, Calif. (Feb. 21, 2010) – Attendees of the 2010 PMA International Convention and Trade Show looking to experience the latest innovations in digital imaging will visit the Nikon booth where a vast array of award-winning digital imaging solutions will be on display. In addition to the impressive line-up of products, the Photo Imaging Manufacturers and Distributors Association (PMDA) appointed Nikon Corporation President Michio Kariya as PMDA 2010 Person of the Year. This year, Nikon will highlight seven new high-performance and stylish COOLPIX digital cameras, the easy-to-use D3000 D-SLR and the professional-grade D3S, Nikon’s first FX-format camera to offer HD video recording. In addition, visitors to the Nikon Booth # 2200 can also experience the popular COOLPIX S1000pj which is the recipient of multiple industry accolades, including the Popular Mechanics 2009 Breakthrough award. Also, the Nikon D3X Popular Photography Magazine’s 2009 Camera of the Year, and a selection of high-quality NIKKOR lenses will also be on display.
For nearly 40 years, Nikon has been a landmark exhibitor and brand presence at the PMA tradeshow. Nikon’s participation at PMA 2010 serves as yet another opportunity to interact with its retail and channel partners, photographers, journalists and loyal consumers about the latest trends in the world of digital imaging.
This year, PMA marks a momentous occasion for Nikon, as Nikon Corporation President, CEO and COO Michio Kariya was named 2010 Person of the Year by the Photo Imaging Manufacturers and Distributors Association (PMDA). The 2010 Person of the Year award was presented to Kariya prior to the opening of the 2010 PMA tradeshow to honor his dedication to Nikon and the industry for more than 40 years.
NIKKOR lenses and the extremely versatile Creative Lighting System (CLS) represent an integral part of Nikon’s complete high-performance Digital Imaging System featured at PMA. Visitors to the Nikon Booth # 2200, can experience a wide array of NIKKOR lenses, including the recently announced 16-35mm f/4 VR and Ultra-Fast 24mm f/1.4 as well as the versatile AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8 zoom and professional AF-S 300mm f/2.8 telephoto lens. Nikon’s series of CLS products, including the flagship SB-900 Speedlight and other lighting accessories, will also be on display highlighting the agility and overall effectiveness when used in-studio or on location.
Nikon’s complete line of digital SLR cameras, COOLPIX cameras and accessories, high-quality COOLSCAN scanners, world-renowned binoculars and other accessories will be accessible for PMA 2010 patrons. With a spotlight on Nikon’s series of COOLPIX digital cameras, Nikon’s “theater-on-the go” display showcases the capabilities of the revolutionary S1000pj camera, the world’s first digital camera with a built-in projector. Lastly, visitors can experience the complete Nikon imaging solution with instruction and demonstrations of Nikon’s Capture NX2 photo editing software.
As in years past, Nikon will bring to light some of the latest works and projects from its dedicated base of photographers. With images from various COOLPIX and D-SLR products, the Image Gallery calls attention to the overwhelming capabilities of the cameras and the creative possibilities.
Attendees are encouraged to experience Nikon’s entire line of photographic, digital imaging and optical solutions, including Nikon’s sport optics products, on display at the PMA 2010 tradeshow, from Feb. 21-23 at exhibitor booth # 2200. For more information, please visit http://www.nikonusa.com.
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Aw…what a pity…
But it’s ok, I’ll still continue to wait :p
Thats ok NR admin- you had me excited though! I am just going to put my money back in my wallet….
pity indeed – i guess i can go back to work now – that very much pisses me off though…..
There still gonna be anymore releases planned for PMA? Or is this the summary?
so still waiting for d700 replacement
it’s must come in this year , isnt it?
perhaps if i get that grant for my book i’ll get a D3s and call it a good year
Zoltar is a lying POS!
that avatar says it all
And nobody is lying, there were two DSLRs in a press release, lol
Admin, you win some and you lose some. Don’t worry about it and keep up the great work!
I think Zoltar misunderstood this press release – they are talking about 2 DSLR – D3000 and D3S, but they are not new. I got the time right (almost). I knew that there will be a press release, but I did not expect them to have a press release without new products.
Duhhh….jokers!
Or Nikon is trying to figure out who your sources are..
Nikon did this to hurt your credibility, but I am not buying into it, I still trust you
Now…
doing a press release about the products already out is showing that Nikon is doing some silly things this year. Another silly thing is obviously giving Canon the lead on VDSLR issue
Admin, feel sorry for you, but how would TWO NEW DSLRS be missed by the usual suspects, including Thom. Lammerse, Jeff-C and yourself? At least some hints would come. No new camera announcement has had such leak curfew, ever. Even the D3 got some advance news (Thom), not in details, but in the form “it won’t be what people are expecting”, since many thought of a higher res FF then. But people know there will be a camera announcement at least a couple of weeks before it happens.
So, April seems to be the earliest we’ll see new cameras from Nikon.
The fact that all european D700 rebates extend till April 30th suggest that nothing on the DSLR front will be announced till then. That means the 12 MP sensor in the D700 would have seen life for close to 3 straight years. That in itself is an achievement in this day and age. It’s still good though
Hi NR,
Don’t get discouraged, you have done a great job on the right track~
NIkon are extremly slow, they surely dont know how to improve the video function & need more & more time to compete canon. A Big shame…
alright….so I have a few more months to make money for the D4.
ARE YOU KIDDING ????
I just sold my F100, D700, D90 and my F6 on Ebay for few peanuts in order to be able to buy that new Nikon DSLR !
Well, now you can enjoy eating your peanuts.
I was the one who was kidding
BTW, I just returned my brand new Nikkor 24-70mm to f/2.8 (I won’t mention the name of the store).
It is not acceptable to get a lemon when you pay $1739 for it.
Compare to my 105mm f/2.8 micro, the 24-70mm look like a lens from a disposable camera !
A macro prime lens should be sharper and overall better then a zoom, thats how these things go. If your copy was THAT bad though then why not get it exchanged for a new one that doesent have the same issue, unless your saying there all bad and all those pro photographers dont know any better….
I already sent it back for an exchange… we’ll see.
I’ll let you guys know if the new one is better.
Mine is excellent. You had a lemon. Better luck with the replacement.
Hi NR,
Well Done. Although I am expecting an D700 replacement …
I can’t say I’m not bitterly dissappointed.
Not with you admin of course. Nikon are really letting themselves down.
There is literally no mid range camera. Where is the 5DII’s rival?!
Any idea when we could hope to see a new release? What is the best educated guess as to when it would be? Within the year perhaps? Summer?
Looks like I’m going to be having to bite the bullet and purchase a D3s, which works out well for Nikon, but to say I am annoyed with them is an understatement. Not acceptable.
Educated guess = May 1st when the D700 rebate will have ended. The 1080p video feature must be slowing Nikon down. Otherwise we could be shooting with the affordable D700x already.
Thanks!
A tougher question. What do we think on specs?
They wouldn’t release a body that really competes with the d3s iso sensistivity would they? I would like to assume we will see an increase in pixels for a small loss in iso sensistivity compared to the d3s. Although if they were to knock the d3s out of the market on everything other than being a tougher body I wouldnt have many complaints…
Why wouldnt they. The d700 had the same performance iq wise as the d3 and it did not cannibalize its sales. The D3s is a sports and photojournalism cameara, a D700s would be a landscape, portrait, and broke pros camera. A pro considering the D3s doesent put the D700s in the same league if the only similarity is the sensor.
My guess would be late May/early June announcement w/ a late July, early August release.
No facts to back that up. Just pulling magic things out of my hat.
No, you didn’t screw up. It refused to begin.
Keep up the good work. This site is fun.
My sentiments. We all still love this site. Keep posting anything and everything. I still want new glass, and not so much new bodies. My D700 is still awesome.
Gutted…the prospect of a full-frame, 18MP+, 102,400 ISO-enabled D700 replacement had me reaching for the nearest bank loan form… lol
Oh well, good things come to those that wait…
I’m with AJ. Time for some more waiting.
Yep i was hoping for the same as AJ …. the longer it takes the more money i can make towards it without a loan …. and the more STRESSED i get
C’mon Nikon… I’m waiting for the right kit to be released to retire my olympus for good
I dont even need the high iso give me decent up to … 6400 with those 18MP and at or under 3k$ and i was likely getting one … now i will peruse the Canon camera’s. Nikon best hurry up if they want my money, I have 18 MP in my head as the magic number.
Amateur hour! Go take some photographs!
I don’t know why so many people expected two new DSLRs from Nikon. It just doesn’t make point to introduce DSLR at this moment, just two weeks after the lens. And further more, the Nikon D700 special offers end mostly at the end of April. I would say the new DSLR wont come out untill May or June.
i agree with u
Oh well, no new DSLR for me yet. Even if ZinhaEq is right about May or June, I still want to know about it now!
haha lame very lame Nikon…
Hmm, so I think I can buy D700 DSLR, even if it’s a bit old…
I had some hope to get some informations about its successor, but in spite of that, I think I don’t gonna make a mistake with D700…
The D700 is a great camera, the only improvement could be more pixels (around 18MP ?).
But for anything else I don’t see why that camera would need any improvement.
I had x10 times better pictures with the D700 than with my D90.
If it had more pixels I sure would have keept it !
I don’t get it. Why wouldn’t you have 10 times better pictures with D700 than with D90? The first is a professional cam and the other is a prosumer cam with a badly compressed wobbly video.
Idk about 10 times, the d90 has the same image sensor of the D300 lets not forget and a lot of pros are using those. The d90 isa great camera, the only reason i want a D700 replacement to come out is so I can buy a cheap used or discontinued D700 and then use the 90 as the back up body.
HDU question the 35mm dogmatists! To the inquisition, go.
when will that damn D700s come out!?
And that damn D95 (D7000 etc.)
If I had a sponsor, then I could build a working D700x prototype out of a D3x & D700, and show everyone (plus Nikon staff) at PMA
Well maybe they are going to surprise everyone later today!!
If not does this mean I need to get the D300s or the 7D? Please ask Zoltar
All is good. I read this rumor before the one below it so i knew hoe the story ends before I read it. As for Zoltar…you’re fired, pack your bags and go.
HOW not HOE
So early summer sometime we will possibly see a release.
Specs are anybodys guess, but what are our best educated ones?
Could Nikon really release a fast camera with close to d3s quality noise sensitivity, more pixels (16-18 perhaps) and 720 or 1080 video? Whilst not expecting to completely wipe the d3s out of the market – other than for having a tougher body and a few more shutters per second?
Thoughts?
im still hanging on to my d2x.
my 6 years old 14n is still nr two resolutionvise with nikkors.
lol
ill keep my money for a serius update
+1
ahhh so lame.
I still believe they would have released the DSLR at the same time as the lenses…
when is the next announcement?
Next thing Nikon will do is to make announcements about the future annoucements
Its OK NR Admin! Nobody is perfect. We all still love you though! (in a straight kind of way, geez…some ppl get misunderstood soo easily, LOL!)
Thanks for keeping your ear to the ground for us, admin.
I love this sentence “…to experience the latest innovations in digital imaging …” Duh, since Sep 2004 Nikon is at 12MP! Oh heil Sony! Without sony we wouldn’t even have D3x!
Thank you Nikon, let’s see what Canon will offer in the 1DsIV. Also, I bet Canon will be out sooner with the 5DIII than Nikon with the D700 replacement. If those rumoured specs are true and it is not worse than the 1DsIII then they just got a new buyer because many of will not wait another year or two for the impotent Nikon to market products.
I’m thinking the same.
ditto
I am thinking the same thing
Ok, then I was not the only one who has spotted the BS from Nikon.
Then you’re all thinking bollocks. Anybody in line for these top end cameras has a bagfull of glass to go with them. Very rarely will a pro switch systems if the current one does the job.
Man, every day I look here for my update, every day for a year now hoping that I can find a great DSLR to replace my D90. I do cinematography and photography, and my D90 won’t cut it, nor will the footage from the D3s or D300s. PLEASE NIKON, PLEASE I do not want to sell all of my gear and lenses to get a 5D mkII. AHHHHHHHH
I’m in the same category. Might even go and buy 7D
It is getting to that point
exactly the same, seem to have been waiting for an eternity for a nikon capable VDSLR that can compete with the 7D, but really wishing i had made the switch now.. this wait is a joke
Why switch from one to the other? Just run both Nikon and Canon. Canon has better video at the moment in 7D and 5D2 – plus the 5D2 gives an OK 20MP + option that’s a little more affordable than Nikon. But for pure stills quality and responsive camera operation (particularly) in low light) – the D3s and even D700 blow them away. There’s no one perfect solution – so just get whatever works best…. (I run 7D, 5D2, D3s and D700 – all great for what hey do best)
‘Just run both Nikon and Canon’
Yeah, just go out and lay down 10K plus on cameras. Then add in lenses and flash, etc. etc. Whilst your comment is funny, the bunch of whiners about aren’t in the market anyway. They just like whining.
no worries admin. sometimes we gotta go for broke. beers are still on me!
My D900 = Gently upsized plus smart sharpened D300 NEF’s or via stitching
Let’s not lose our hopes,D700x & D700s, or two trends met at one body, the D900.
Nikon may keep it for the last day of PMA !
Following your logic, we should start believe in fairy tales. I guess this is just another old Jedi mind trick from Nikon eh? ….you do not need more resolution, yes we do not need more resolution…. 12MP is more than enough for all YOU, yes master 12MP is more than enough for all of us.
That’s right, it is. However, you can have 24MP if you like.
Do companies do that often? Go to a trade show then wait till most of the people have been there then bring something out something new?
Maybe Nikon can get Steve Jobs to walk out at the end and say “one more thing”
I think we just got our big surprise from Nikon. Nikon finally learned how to make the most loyal customer base disappointed. Congratulations Nikon, keep up the good work! Jeez, I bet an iPhone will have more resolution than the D3s in less than 1 year.
+1
Isn’t the new Coolpix S8000 even 14mp. That’s more than the whole range of Nikon’s professional products, except for the ludicrously priced D3x.
We all know mpx doesn’t equal quality, but it’s still absurd.
Maybe Nikon is going more like Sony. Just products for the masses
here here, haha. too right though yes. I dont mind Canon, I’m not a Nikon fanboy, but a 5dII felt unnatural to me when I used it, so I’m happier sticking with Nikon.
The tide is going to turn again though and in a big way if they don’t sort themselves out sharpish.
@zzddrr
“Nikon finally learned how to make the most loyal customer base disappointed”
Most ridiculous comment ever here. Disappointed, speak for yourself (are you a Nikon user? I doubt it.)
@rhlpetrus
He’s not alone. Look around you.
It’s alright for some photographers, I chatted with one of gettys main staff photographers just last week and he’s still over the moon with his two “d3″s. They fit his needs perfectly shooting LFW, the Cannes festival and whatever else. Happy Nikon user.
But there are an awful lot of us who want to see Nikon competing for the mid-range market too. They’ve covered the top end yeah great. But where is a 5d Mark II or even 7D rival? They just doesnt exist!
The D700 and D3s has 10megapixels less and no HD functionality ((or 720 vs 1080) which believe it or not, is being used by a lot of top photographers I assist – behind the scenes bonus for their clients, candid interviews with talent… etc). Its our job to go that one step further and Nikon aren’t providing us with the ideal tools to do that. Not for us midrange users. i.e. their biggest potential market.
They are shooting themselves in the foot. One toe at a time, with each passing conference.
@alexcornes
Around me? Are you kidding? 100 people w/o much to do on a Sunday (inlcuding myself) and few other at DPR (but much much less, check it). And always the same people complaining. Nikon and Canon have done a tremendous job for the past 10 years since the start of the digital era.
We went from 3MP dslrs costing USD5K to 10-12MP ones costing 10x less, HD video and all, with a big assortment of new lenses, cheap kit zooms that pros couldn’t dream of 30 years ago.
It’s the silly “new year’s model mentality” from the car/computer market spreading to an area where a new body used to take like 10 years to appear, even more.
Disappointed? I say it agian: very very silly, likely people that don’t have more to do. The real shooters are very very happy with the D3s exactly todya at Vancouver. If you want a smaller body, the D700 is the best, if more pixels needed, 5DII and A900. Who cares about brands?
uh… people who have invested in a brands lenses/equip? pretty stupid question from a “pro” imo
I’ve been using Nikon for 25 years. I want to stay with Nikon but times have changed. They need to keep up.
I’ve been shooting Nikon for 3 years, and I’m very very happy. Before digital I shot with Pentax then Leica. I couldn’t care less about brands, actyually. Just pick the toool you need (but make sure you really need it before wasting your money).
Cheers!
rhlpetrus, it seems to me that you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer! You just offend people instead of trying to understand why they are pissed. Well, back in the film age you were able to change the film to a different resolution. You did not have to wait 4 yrs for better films. Now with Nikon since 2004 we stuck at 12MP. Now go and figure why people are pissed. On the top of it many us put serious money into Nikon lenses, flash, etc. You bought into a system that cannot compete in certain areas (note the certain areas) unless you are batman and need camera to take pictures in coal mine in middle of the night. Oh, you’ll say d3x, duh thank to sony for that.
I bet sony will come out sooner with new product than nikon. Then wait 5-6 months once sony gives nikon a sensor and you can expect something new.
In the meantime when we see an announcement like the one nikon published today we can only conclude that they cannot do anyhting alone and we won’t get what we have been asking for years! So go and defend this company since you do nothing else plus bashing others who criticize.
If we’re going to take pictures in a coal mine, that’d be the D3s, not the D3x. And a Nikon rep was just telling me that it was a Nikon sensor in there (and thusly, *very* expensive). So no thanks to Sony there.
Sony can come out w/ something sooner than Nikon- if you want quantity over quality, then go buy Sony.
“Now with Nikon since 2004 we stuck at 12MP. Now go and figure why people are pissed.”
I truly believe you and a few others are a vocal minority. If you’re not printing huge billboards, then what’s with the high MP obsession? If you need high MP, go buy any P&S because they’ve got plenty
Have to agree w/ rhlpetrus on the “new year’s model mentality.” Ridiculous.
Fried Toast,
Two questions for you:
1) If the 24MP is not good since Nikon figured 12 is enough then why on earth does not sell the d3x at least the same price as the d3s?
2) Do you think that 24MP sensor gives more information (data) than a 12MP one?
Have you ever actually enlarged and compared the results of 12 and 24MP? Try it out!
Sometimes you cannot properly compose a shot and have to do enlargements. Also, sometimes the object is no longer available and a massive enlargement is needed for a partical area. You’ll have better results from the 24MP for sure!
By the way, it is NOT solely a Nikon sensor the D3s’. Otherwise why on earth did they keep it at 12MP? They could have easily go up to 18MP. No they did not. Apparently the story behind this D3s sensor is that Nikon wanted reduce manufacturing costs and they were out for awhile to find a manufacturer who can do that and increase quality.
I am not saying that the d3s sensor is bad, no, it is best in class but back in 2005/2007 not in 2010.
Now the coalmine, yes i meant d3s. By the way the bloody thing actually looks like a big piece of coal. At least it has the same weight! I mean, Nikon could have used some different material to make the darn thing lighter.
Or, can anione actually explain to me why we need the shutter mechanism in the d3s? Ok, i am fine with the mirror until the micro size display evolve but logically there is no need for the shutter. It is no longer film! You don’t have shutter in the m4/3. So why cannot Nikon innovate and just get rid of it. Not a difficult stuff. See my point here?
If I offended any of you then I apologise I did not mean it.
Cheers
@rhlpetrus
No, I am not a Nikon user. I just invested 15yrs and over 10s of thousands in nikon equipment so you can ask such a dumb question. But here is the problem, what I want to do Nikon only offers 1 item which is 7-8k. It is unacceptably priced! Now, go back to dpreview and have fun with those 12MP fanboys since your limited communication skills can only offend others!
Now I know that you’re one those advanced tech guys who would be happy with 4MP if the mighty Nikon wouldn’t make 12MP no matter the competition already has 20+ MP for over a year. Good, I can understand you. So you can speak for yourself as well but since Sep 2004 Nikon is at 12MP! Jeez, that’s six years. Besided, without Sony we wouldn’t even have d3x!
What do you think the hell the dpreview mentioned couple times in the d3s review that 12MP does not cut it in 2010 and it was a surprise back in 2007?
So if your comments are smart as your first post then just don’t respond. I thought that you could do better than that.
@zzddrr
My limited comm skill may be due to the fact that English is a second language for me, or maybe you think my arguments are bad anyway. I can live with that, no big deal.
I’m not an advanced tech guy, just like to read and learn about tech issues releated to photography. I’ve learned a good deal from many sites, DPR included.
I’m not in the “12MP is enough” fanboy group, if you followed DPR’s forum you’d know about that. I didn’t say, in any of my posts above, that “12MP is enough”. Even though I, actually, think 12MP is enough for most applications, certainly for amateurs (I’m one).
About the D3s, ask Getty, Reuters, AFP, Sports Illustrated, etc, if they think it’s enough for sports/action/PJ work. DPR’s editorial line is not about cameras’ market orientation, this is clear from their “value” ratings, comparing, as happened recently, D3s to D300s. You probably know the difference, in printing size, from a 12 to a 16MP sensor (D3s to 1D4).
Nikon’s cycle for pro cameras has been 4 years, with an intermediate update (the D3>D3s was the most significative ever, the sensor changed in many ways, DxO Mark has shown that, in all aspects, noise, color and DR). So, one should expect a D4 with more pixels next year.
So, if almost anyone following Nikon (or Canon) for some time gets upset that they didn’t do what he or she expected, maybe one should pay more attention to Nikon’s cycle system and, if that is really so upsetting, use another system. That’s the thing to do, IMO.
Cheers!
Disregard this post, system fooled me saying not posted.
@zzddrr
My limited comm skill may be due to the fact that English is a second language for me, or maybe you think my arguments are bad anyway. I can live with that, no big deal.
I’m not an advanced tech guy, just like to read and learn about tech issues releated to photography. I’ve learned a good deal from many sites, DPR included.
I’m not in the “12MP is enough” fanboy group, if you followed DPR’s forum you’d know about that. I didn’t say, in any of my posts above, that “12MP is enough”. Even though I, actually, think 12MP is enough for most applications, certainly for amateurs (I’m one). And I agree that Nikon could have released a higher pixel D700 type already, they are missing some market (me, for example, I’m waiting for that to go FF). But no one here knows why they haven’t done it yet, there are many possibilities, you probably have read some of them.
About the D3s, ask Getty, Reuters, AFP, Sports Illustrated, etc, if they think it’s enough for sports/action/PJ work. DPR’s editorial line is not about cameras’ market orientation, this is clear from their “value” ratings, comparing, as happened recently, D3s to D300s. And, regarding competition, only now, after 2.5 years the D3 was announced, Canon came with the 1D3 upgrade, from 10 to 16MP. And you certainly know the difference, in printing size, from a 12 to a 16MP sensor (D3s to 1D4). Think about that.
Nikon’s cycle for pro cameras has been 4 years (Thom has alerted people about that many times), with an intermediate update (the D3>D3s was the most significative ever, the sensor changed in many ways, DxO Mark has shown that, in all aspects, noise, color and DR). So, one should expect a D4 with more pixels next year.
So, if anyone following Nikon for some time gets upset that they didn’t do what he or she expected, maybe, if that is really so upsetting (the longer cycle), to move to another system. That’s the thing to do, IMO.
Cheers!
That will happen. People will not wait 4 yrs for new tech. I am not going to wait 4 yrs. As I said before, the problem is the sensor! Back in the film age you were able to play around wiht different films. Now you stuck with 1 retard manufacturer. Yes, Nikon execs must be retards because the 5DII outsells in many places 1 to 10 the D700. Can’t they see it? Yes of course the can. But they cannot do anything about it since 1) Nikon is sensor cripled and 2) does not have clue about video.
Back to the sensor of the D3s. According to many the manufacturer who produced the sensor used different technology. So it is quite possible that Nikon is trying to take credit for something that has not much to do with them. This is just rumor.
On the other hand, when we look at the D3 sensor, it was produced and designed first in 2006. Yes, they released the camera in 2007 but the tech behind was from 2006 or before since in 2004 Nikon was at 12MP. See, now this 4yrs manufacturing tech cycle. I am actually surprised that the D3s did not improve more compared to the D3. See, that’s the problem. 4yrs and you have minor upgrade based on manufacturing tech. at the same resolution.
Oh the Getty and Reuters. Well, they don’t shoot landscapes. Why would they need more to sell something that at 12MP is fine. But believe me there is a serious difference between 12MP and 24MP. I wonder whether sony will come out with a new 24MP sensor. That will blow away the Nikon line. Some say they have a backlit 36MP under the testing. So what will Nikon do when a 36MP sensor that has low light capabilities similar to the D3s would appear from sony?
Also, read about the sony evil. They will go after the dslr segment they said. Thom was right, Nikon is in deep sh_t. Sony clearly said they will use larger than the m4/3 sensor. What is that????
Now, why is Nikon waiting? Because they cannot produce their own sensor! Otherwise they would not surrender entire market segments to the competition. Don’t try to convince me that they can compete at affordable price with the 5DII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
Moores Law. Anyone else familiar with it?…
Nikon have had 12 megapixel sensors for six years and at little price different to than what they were first released at, yeah retail a few hundred pounds, so what.
The arguement is not, is 12megapixels good enough for most people? It’s that for some it isn’t good enough and why haven’t Nikon done anything about it?
Nothing more should be said.
I really care on the lenses only…
ive just bought my d200 for $550 in a special offer here in Peru..
so, any news on the 80-400 replacement :S ???’
Thanks,
A
It’s in the pipeline. No mention on when, but a Nikon rep I spoke to yesterday specifically mentioned that lens.
Goddamn Nikon reps! Shut up all of them! Let them deliver first and after have a big mouth. By the way, do you believe in car salesman as well? Because I do not even when they ask a question. So that’s about the reps too!
Are you serious? I sold my D3s and D3000 yesterday in anticipation for this announcement. Thanks, Admin. Thanks for nothing.
Lol
he said that he was speculating , i now youre joking, but dont be so bad with him!!!
everybody make mistakes!!!
I’ve never made a mistaek.
there is always a first time
Not such a big deal selling those. Go buy a 5DmkII. It’s what all the NikonRumor cool kids are doing!
and you’re saying silly things. Many of these invested into a system. they thought Nikon will be competitive. Yes, they are competitively have big mouth like yourself.
I *am* saying silly things
One has to be careful of who to take seriously around here
Then if you wanted to crack a joke then just indicate it. Not with this sign “!” use something like this
This is bs! Damn it nikon, bring out the d700 replacement already!
LOL….
Nikon must be stuck at 12mp, while Canon will soon introduce a 32mp body.
What a competititon, what a shame Nikon
“competition”, sorry for the typo, Nikon you drive me crazy
yep, Nikon is at 12MP since Sep 2004! I don’t understand what’s the hurry?
now i can concentrate to my future 16-35VR N
That’s the real thing, my next purchase, great offering, it took a while but looks like a real winner!
A press release about cameras they already announced, wow, what a new low.
yep, that’s the new suprise. Genuinely disappointing the user base. I mean at least they should have said that Nikon started to distribute new sake to its workers to improve productivity. But not again the same plastic crap. We may see that Nikon will recycle old press announcements.
FIFA World Cup is not far.
when will it be? ( U know, I hate footbal)
what a very pronounced f@rt on my face…
So, no ones jumped off a cliff yet. I reckon Nikon is screwed for sensors. I reckon they have lovely 18 or 20+ megapix cameras all on the drawing board, maybe even some prototypes. Just no sensors to put in them.
*Rolls eyes at Nikon*
Nikon has always gone the route of being slower to come out with new products, but always making sure to deliver the highest quality. It appears they are not going to change.
They are not always going to rush products to market, chase the latest fads, whatever…but when they do come out they will have a world class product. For now, you can get their current offerings, which are still terrific, or wait, or switch to another brand that releases more frequently, but offers lower quality.
Nikon is kind of like the Mercedes or BMW of cameras; nothing flashy, but incredible engineering and performance.
There are always trade offs…it just depends on what one is looking for.
+1
You know that this is BS. I mean, name one company that can make serious profit in their own core business, their competitiors are on the market with the product taking away your business and you do not produce that product. My firend, I have no idea what you are smoking but that sh_t is strong.
I think it is clear that Nikon cannot produce more than 12MP. Otherwise the d3x sensor base wouldn’t be sony.
That argument is used. But at the end of the day, the image quality between Canon and Nikon is negligible.
The actual real life difference, is that for the same price, if not cheaper, you get 10+mp more and 1080p video with a Canon.
This is killing Nikon, and like many many others, I’m tired of waiting.
It’s a shame, as yes true, Nikon’s do feel a lot better to use.
Maybe the difference is negligible. But at the end of the day, you’ve got a HUGE company (Canon) that can dump tons of money into products and stay afloat even if one or two of them don’t make a profit. Nikon isn’t a behemoth, so they *have* to take the slower, more measured approach. They don’t have the cushion that Canon has.
But hey- that’s all conjecture. Maybe Nikon IS huge and they just don’t act like it
Another fairy tale….Canon is too big….little Nikon etc. You know what, in that case don’t mess with the big guys. Go back to Mama’s room and sob a bit. I am sorry but that’s what Nikon’s doing and you guys are buying that BS. OMG! Grow up, we are talking about business here, Nikon got screwed up years ago when they decided not to go with own sensor making.
What do you think why? Because they thought Fuji which will lose its entire film business will be on the top of the game. Guess what, the film guys had no clue about developing the new skills necessary to compete in the digital sensor making business. They had to acquire those skills.
There is a reason why you go to the dentist and not to Mike Tyson if you had to pull a teeth! Think about it.
Sad
Well, if the non-announcement on Monday about the 2 new DSLRs got you down, perhaps you can cheer-up by reading about Canon’s new 32 MP 1Ds Mark IV coming out on Tuesday.
Yay! More megapixels! One more reason *not* to buy Canon
(Yes, I understand that *some* people need them. This is aimed at the querulous lot that want ‘em, but don’t need ‘em)
365 days Fried Toast, i want to know what you say when not 1 serious dslr manufacturers will have products below 15-18MP at the top line.
Oh, sorry that’s just Nikon who stuck at 12MP
24MP
Nikon release products on their own schedule not governed by trade shows. If they can prolong introductions and keep retread product on the shelves until a few months before Photokina they will. I don’t see Nikon introducing product at an American trade show either. The barely ever release new items at JP trade shows. Hope you’re all still buying into their 12 is the new six slogan after Tuesday.
Nikon & Sony are working together for the new DSLRs & EVIL cameras. Nikon need Sony & Sony need Nikon to compete Panasonic – Olympus alliance. One hour ago Sony just showed their new DSLRs & mock-up samples for mirror less camera. Good news for us is Exmor APS HD CMOS AVCHD sensor. I guess that Nikon will release new DSLRs (based on this sensor) in 6 month from now at Photokina with full HD movie. One of them could be entry level D4000/D6000 & another one D900.
Canon Rumors are much better..!
Seriously, I wish Nikon would re-evaluate their short/long term strategy. Enough with the zillion coolpix cameras – they can’t compete with Panasonic or Canon anyway. They should focus their efforts and tighten up the scope of cameras they offer; more is not the answer. The FX lenses are excellent, keep that moving forward, but why doesn’t Nikon introduce a Canon G10/11 buster? The pro’s I know all have a Canon in their pocket, even if they shoot a D3.
They sell many more coolpixes than you think.
The go and buy that crap coolpix. if they keep up doing the same then the entire dslr line will be the same quality as the coolpix!
Don’t you think that too many of the dslrs had some quality issues? I couldn’t buy 1 nikon dslr that did have to go back with warranty.
You’re just a bad luck guy
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Think you missed the point- they sell a lot of Coolpix cameras, so they need to keep up with that market. It might help feed the pro DSLR end more than you realize.
then be bloody innovative in that segment and have pro-line Coolpix with for example interchangable lenses. Nikon could have done it years ago. Now, they are again behind others.
OMG, years ago when Nikon actually had good coolpix many of us asked if they plan to make an adapter and a body so we can fit our dslr lenses. I aked the dudes in Torrance, CA when I picked up some lenses from cleaning whether they would do it. Still as of today the most light weight interchangable lens Nikon is the D40/60. All I can say that they have mental issues. I mean customers are telling you to make a small body with an adapter so dslr lenses can be attached and years latter you’re scretching your head? Only time this happens is when a company does not give a damn about the feedback.
You seem very angry about nothing. If you want more MP, get your hand in your pocket and go buy a D3X. Yep, it’s expensive because it’s the best and I couldn’t give ratshit for who actually makes the sensor.
Perhaps that is how it came across. I am not angry. But I will not shell out the 8 grand for lazy Nikon for the D3x.
I rather wait a bit and give my 8 grand to Canon if they come out with 32MP with reasonble quality because we will know Nikon will not match that 32MP until 2015.
“Nikon has always gone the route of being slower to come out with new products, but always making sure to deliver the highest quality. It appears they are not going to change.
They are not always going to rush products to market, chase the latest fads, whatever…but when they do come out they will have a world class product. For now, you can get their current offerings, which are still terrific, or wait, or switch to another brand that releases more frequently, but offers lower quality.
Nikon is kind of like the Mercedes or BMW of cameras; nothing flashy, but incredible engineering and performance.
There are always trade offs…it just depends on what one is looking for.”
How many coolpix cameras have they got out now? I mean FFS.
Clearly I was speaking of the higher end DSLR market, as that is what 99% of the readers on this site focus upon.
In the high end DSLR market, Nikon is like Mercedes. Obviously, they have to play in the P&S market to make money, but at the high end they are fantastic.
I am aware you were speaking in regards to their dslr development, I see you point and agree with much of what you have said.
My own point was they have spent a lot of energy, money and time developing coolpix cameras.
You don’t see mercedes releasing a whole series of budget cars now do you? They have spent their time developing their core products, such as their C and S class cars, as well as top end products like the new SLS car – much like Nikon should be focusing on what I would consider their core product. ‘Cameras’. Not point and shoots. Fortunately I know a thing or two about cars since my dad sells them.
Different depts inside Nikon for those models and dslrs. And they sell a lot of coolpixes every year, keeping the system working for the development of high grade lenses and bodies.
I think there’s a lot of second guessing and armchair MBAs around here telling Nikon what they should do. Thom has said they are doing better than expected for a very complicated year in the camera business.
Sure. Who knows what the finances of Nikon. Coolpixes could be making them vast profits for all we know.
Different departments is sort of irrelevant. Nikon as an entity has a certain budget each year for development and by commiting resources to coolpix, that takes some away from thier DSLR development.
I realise it is more complex than this, but at the end of the day the way we can definately see it, is Canon have mid range DSLRs out and Nikon do not have anything to reasonably compete with them.
In any industry that is foolish and particularly in an industry that relies heavily on consumer loyalty.
Alex, if you read up on Thom Hogan’s site, he often reports on Nikon’s yearly financials. That will give you an idea of how each section impacts Nikon’s bottom line.
The problem with your argument Petrus is that you don’t milk a cow until it gets bloody (or the cow dies). You nurture the cow! Extend the lifecycle but check out the quality of the coolpix line. seriously, canon, pana, and sony models don’t feel as plasticky. Nikon is taking advantage of its name and reputation. It is not a sustainable business model.
I think Nikon should correct this lamentable situation…
because next will be bad news…or no news
Nikon did the job for high-end & entry-level. Now, it’s time to fill the gap for midlevel market (D900, D400 plus some compact midrange f/4 or variable ap. zooms). This mark represents the tools for low-income pro & enthusiasts.
They will, maybe not when some people want them to do it, but alas, all have their problems. Canon people are asking for a D700 type body, with pro-level AF and seals, for ages. The D700 is still selling very well after almost 2 years.
And Nikon people are asking 5D2 type MP and HD video which is selling more units than D700.
What the hell are you smoking? As far as I know the D700 does not sell very well! In many places the 5DII outsells 1 to 10!!!! So tell me, with a sensor at 12MP with original design from 2004 what do you expect? Give me a break. Nikon’s only fricken luck that the F mount is the same and whover has 1 Nikon glass will 95% buy Nikon product. Go and do a little market research about how consumers switch when it comes to costs and brands!
By the way, why are you constantly defending Nikon?
The D700′s sensor is from 2004? Get your facts straight before getting nasty.
Yes, the 5DII certainly outsells the D700, no doubt about it, it has some advantages for the mid-market they live in, 10 to 1 is a bit overstating it, and you know that. Myself, given the choice to get only one for free, woud get the D700. Better body, much better AF, no banding in low ISO …
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Finally, actually I’m just trying to put forth some arguments against this sort of manic obssession about new models that now and then flare up here and in other sites. If you think that’s defending Nikon, so be it.
Petrus, (can I call you Petrus, I assume that’s your first name), with all due repsect but the D700 12MP tech is based on the D2x sensor manufacturing tech.
I understand you, but there is no maniac obscession with new tech (at least from my side). If I had the chance and swap the sensor the same way we were able to do with the film then you wouldn’t see these type of posts here.
What is happening that Nikon established more control by making sure its gonna be harder to switch.
Nikon D900 on Dpreview sneak peak section
http://a.img-dpreview.com/articles/pma2010/Sneak_Peek/SAM_0789.jpg
Sweet Dreams: http://www.max2.tw/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/d900_cake.jpg
Enough of it, 5th or 6th repeat on this site. No more please !
It’s a pasted F100, some sort of pun.
D900 my ass. Here’s a 100% crop from 25.1 MP image from D300 (NEF conversion) ! Who needs a new camera??
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/stmayhem93/_DAZ0642.jpg
I’m very happy with the current Nikon bodies, I just wish they would come down in price a bit. Especially the D3X… when that hits $6,000 it’s mine.
There’s a used one in Tokyo right now for 470,000 yen
Why not 24mp in D700 shape for about half price? Plus you get a more compact, yet pro body. One can make it bigger with the battery pack, but not the other way. Only compromise would be 100% viewfinder vs 95%.
Even if they gave a D3X for $3500, I’d hesitate to buy because only the body weighs about my D300 + 18-200mm together which I sometimes wish (hanging on my neck for a daytime) it could be made smaller without losing quality.
Hahhahaha people are still disappointed. If they indeed release same people gets disappointed. Complainers and whiners. When are you going to actually make a nice pictures with a camera that you have? Stop dreaming of something that doesnt exists.
Ken Rockwell already said no new DSLR from Nikon and no one believed him. So sometimes this guys that you dont like atleast said something true this time
God forbid anyone here actually take to heart what you said!
They’re too busy lusting over 5DmkIIs! They don’t possibly have time to actually *take* a picture
And take one with their existing equipment? Out of date! Oh, the agony!!
Sadly, this empty Nikon announcement is far less disappointing than Sony’s advertising their withdrawal from the serious enthusiast photographer’s camera market. :/ Hopefully Nikon or Canon never follow suit! D:
thank you Admin for all your efforts.its not your fault anyway.
its just that my patience towards Nikon is running out and I am almost on the edge to buy a Canon 1Ds Mark 4 so i have both the brands(nikon d200 is still working well)
Oh well, the D40s remains a rumor for now.
not your fault admin, my nikon pitchforks are now available.
sony withdrawing from serious dlsr market with 24mm f2 zeiss lens ? EH ?
Look at the supposed a700-successor: still no D300 competitor from Sony, and working towards removing the things that made the a700 handling great. :/
Of course the 24mm looks nice; I’ll sure it’ll great.
Did you just see the new Sony evils? They will use larger sensor than the m4/3. It is clear that this new segment will kill the cheapo nikon dslr sales for sure. The d3000, 5000 range will become like coolpix. No wonder Nikon did not announce anything. Simply they have no sensor. Idiots, they buy they sensors all over the place and can’t get larger than 12MP
An APS-C-sized compact is of course quite welcome.
It will be interesting to see how those pan out, now that everyone is doing that (yay! competition.)
24Mp is the biggest sensor. And stop talking shite about the D700 sensor being the same and/or upgrade of the D2X – it’s not.
same manufacturing technology
Man! I was up all night thinking about how I’m going to get my wife to believe the D700 replacement I was going to purchase is the same D700 camera I secretly planned to sell.
Okay, PMA is over and Nikon nearly did nothing.
Nikon did give us a BIG SURPRISE.
Nikon, I fart loudly in your direction. ;-P
Really, Nikon – When are you going to step up with some serious HD? I’m chomping at the bit and about to jump ship. If the D700 doesn’t compete on a professional level, I’m a pro who’s going to change systems. I’m tired of waiting. I have three major upcoming projects that combine stills and video. Come on, Nikon. you’re killin’ me…don’t you realize the importance and market value of a hybrid system? I know major commercial directors that are shooting national ads with Canon!
So true. Am tired of waiting too.
And what’s with their Coolpix lineup?? How many friggen models to Nikon need? So confusing.
all at 12MP and if we are lucky then some extra 720P jello
Go buy other brands. What are you waiting for? Sell all your nikon gears to ebay.
You don’t get it do you? James, when you invest over 10k in lenses then you expect that you’re not going to lose job just because your favourite manufacturer lags behind the competition by 2yrs!
My problem is that I will lose money on selling my Nikon gear but what the heck. If Nikon does not want my money then let’s what will canon bring out.
Bye bye Mr. Angry. Oh and I do get ‘it’.
Ron, you are clearly a piece of tool. Now tell me, what value did you add with your primitive sentence? That is your low subcultured level to call others with names. Ron, if it made you happy then call me names.
come on nikon! D4 please.
only bad news from nikon…
nothingelse
I think most of us would appreciate NR Admin’s work
but sometimes you need to learn to shut up
you hear rumor, let us know
no more prediction and comment posts please
Honest miscalculation.
Don’t fret!
Hve you guys noticed how many people are complaining about Nikon’s inability to at least match the competition? I wonder what type of discussions they have in the boardroom.
Here is an idea;
Toshi – whazzup with the a-holes?
Toyo – nah just too many Budweisers
Toshi – ok then we’re fine
….
What an a-hole. Read this from the press release:
“This year, PMA marks a momentous occasion for Nikon, as Nikon Corporation President, CEO and COO Michio Kariya was named 2010 Person of the Year by the Photo Imaging Manufacturers and Distributors Association (PMDA). The 2010 Person of the Year award was presented to Kariya prior to the opening of the 2010 PMA tradeshow to honor his dedication to Nikon and the industry for more than 40 years.”
Now when these awards come basically it tells you it is time to retire. i guess this dude caused enough damage so far this year so send him a beer. It is crazy, I cannot believe how crap this press release is. It is unbelievable.
Gosh, these associations are nothing else just a bunch of lazy corrupt people. I mean, what is more momentous that you don’t have competitive products. Even what they make cannot be purchased whenever you wanted. I mean look at how many lenses are backordered. WTF. Get this dude a bloody Wustoff knife from Germany so he can stuck it into his fat gutt so he can understand that delivery is what it counts not the bloody award a corrupt organization gave you. I think we have a serious problem with Nikon.
This is just shocking!
I have it on good authority that, following the successful announcement of “new” bodies which have already been released, that Nikon is planning to announce the F3 and the F100 at their next big event.
Make it even better, let’s release the same products this year. For many from dpreview would even cut the trick. I do not think they would even notice while they’re sitting in the same boat.
Hey, let Nikon reuse the same press announcements no matter what.
For me when i see a nice written corporate bs, i think one thing: trouble!
My apologies to the Nikon CEO who was awarded but if they serious about an award then they do give the respect and have a separate announcement. The dude worked his a.. off for Nikon now he is hidden between 2 paragraphs os coolpix. No, that’s not how you give respect and value people.
Nikon have certainly lost the pixel war. They are struggling to bring out a competitor to the D5 Mk II and Canon already appears ready to move on to 32 mp thus pulling the rug out from undet the D3x and also the D700x if it ever appears.
Yep, and watch out nikon! See how many of us may test that 32MP.
What pixel war? Since 2004 Nikon is at 12MP. i guess they often re-loaded?
really? thats it?
no d700s? no d700x? no d800? no d900? no d400? no d7000? no d90s? no d90x? no d95?
a lot of rumors…
This is the best, check this out what a hypocracy from Nikon’s press release:
“….Nikon’s complete line of digital SLR cameras, COOLPIX cameras and accessories, high-quality COOLSCAN scanners…”
What scanners? They only 1 the 9000 which for about 2,500 GBP! Do they actually know what crap they sell? I mean, the Coolscan 5000 is not longer available so what are they atalking about?
Ok, I rather go and sleep on this one announcement.
I wish you would. You have a serious case of verbal diarrhoea.
You may want to learn using the spell checking tool. Ron, that is exactly what you have in your head.
I was hoping for the d700x . Technical Advanced
, Best quality for à affordable Price … Now i think
i will get the 5dm2 . Hoping for somthing New cant take Pictures
Wow… nvm, [NR]Admin. I’ve been living on Canon Rumours and I found the T2i quite amazing… and I thought I trusted Nikon more. Not even a D700 replacement :[ (not that I’m into the full frame line) but really… 3 years…
Oh!! And where is the T2i rival? Nikon! Do something!!
But anyway: is this the end? Or are we to continue waitin’?
I Think its Bundled with Doke Nukem Forever
Not much longer
Where’s NikoDoby for long? he/she would know something about this subject
hate to jump bandwagons but i am deeply dissapointed in nikon.
as much as i dread it, i think i’ll be going back to canon in the next few months.
The problem I see right now that if Nikon waits until the usual next release window they will miss a huge portion of the people who need a camera for the summer holiday. I will not wait, I will take a close look at the 32MP Canon beast because this will take a lifetime for Nikon to match. My guess is that if Canon comes out with that 32MP Nikon will need another 4 yrs to get to that level.
exactly.
but do you guys know why nikon doesnt make their own sensors? i mean its a huge company and very techonlogy advanced, making microscopes, telescopes and many other things. why cant they manufacture their own sensors? it seems odd.
They make their own sensors, the’re just not produced at a Nikon facility.
Go for it. What’re you going to do with your 10K worth of Nikon glass you joker? I’ll give you 50 bucks for the lot. Can you then f*ck off to Canonrumors and pester endlessly about how short Canon are in terms of MP’s and why you need a 50MP, 200000 ISO, 20fps camera for less than a grand? Thanks.
Ron, you crossed the line! You’re are not only rude but offensive! I would like to ask you to leave and never come back with that tone.
Thank you
Wow what a bunch of losers! Do you (the ones groaning and screaming like this is 9/11) actually take photographs?
Dude, who said anything about photographs, these people are serious about cameras, nobody ever mentioned photography
try to take picture without camera.
Judging by your comments above, I’m guessing you don’t take too many. Too much time spent whining on the internet about cameras it’s likely you can’t afford or would have the wit to utilize.
Simon Sez: You just managed to describe your own simplicity with your own comment. I wonder, since you do not know me how do you know that I do not take pictures? Supersmart people like you who constantly call others whiners just bacuse they raise valid issues are the obstacle of proper development. If it depended on you most likely we would be still in a cave! You think exactly like a caveman.
Besides, I did not ask your advice. Man, I did not ask you to judge my comment and of course you did not even say anything new.
There’s a world of difference between taking photographs with a camera and being completely obsessed by spec sheets, especially specs which, unless you’re going to shoot billboards in the abyss, you’ll never even utilize to their full potential; you seem so completely obsessed by these specs, in fact, that it seems like you would have been at a complete loss with any camera that ever came before to ever take a single picture, so kindly can it with the incessant whining, and fucking go out and shoot.
anonymousse:
1) I did not ask your advice what I should do
2) If you could read most likely would have noticed that I was talking about very limited specs
3) 12MP is enough for all of us because mighty Nikon determine that while others have options that does not cost a fortune
4) Being primitive as you demonstrated will not make you look smart.
5) I still cannot understand what new you were trying to say, I guess it is because you’re not equiped to come up with original new thoughts but my apologies if I was wrong about this
BTW, thank you for your comment.
And by something new, you mean jamming again more pixels and iso sensitivity (as usual) in a rarely if ever overhauled camera design from the 40s, on a format that has been standard since the 60s, gotcha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
Nikon. 12 megapixels for 6 years now.
Need anything more be said.
Yes. I think you should say ‘cupboard’.
No, no, no. He should say ‘crab apple’.
Clearly not. The word is ‘cat flap’.
‘Colostomy bag’.
http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/jpn/whatsnew/2010/0223_coolpixs6000_01.htm
Three new Coolpixes(S6000, S4000, S3000) were announced in Japan.
No DSLRs.