PhotographyBay received a tip that Nikon will not be updating the D700, but instead will release a completely new model – Nikon D800 with the following specs:
- Video mode 1080p video recording (full HD)
- High resolution 24.5 MP
- High frame rate: 7 fps without battery grip (similar to D300s)
- 51-area Nikon Multi-CAM 3500FX (same technology as D3X)
- Expected to be released before the end of the year
At that point I do not have any reliable info on that rumor. All sources point that D700 will not be updated anytime soon. Maybe this really means a new D800 that could coexists with the D700.
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Sounds great. Hopefully not too good to be true.
have said it before what is being stated here, but not this year, believe me. Q2.
Will a cmera like this kill D3X sales? Well, that’s what people said when the D700 was announced: who is going to buy the D3 now? Same sensor, same AF, almost same speed… it can even use the same batteries with the optional grip!
But… there are still some differences (like the dual CF slots), and the D3 is selling well (for a camera like it), so I guess the same will happen again if a D800 comes: the D3X will still have its market.
And the D3s does not compete with the Mark IV, that will be reserved for the D4 in Q2 or Q3. Cheers.
This is a prime example of a very confused individual…
borderline ignorant.
+10 lol.
Enjoy your 1D crop sensor IQ & all of your noise sir… Ha I love you folks!!!
It is what I have been hearing/thinking of most! D700x, forget about it, they will add so much new features (the 3500FX was already in the D700, right?), they could as well name it D800. And like someone pointed out, there has never been a Dx00 with an X-version.
D700s would be weird as well, since the D3s has been announced just a week ago, and if that features the same specs, that would kill sales of the larger body. 2010 is the year of bottom to top (D90 and up I suppose) renewal.
Just curious, what are the rumors on a D90 successor so far?
no rumors for a D90 successor – probably in late 2010
They probably won’t update the D90 until the D400 comes out (there’s no reason to have a D90s). So if the D400 comes out say late 2010, it’ll be mid-late 2011 before the D90 successor comes out.
I think he was asking about a D90 update, not successor; that is, a ‘D90s’. If it took more than a year from now, it would be pointless.
Since the D90 has video already, the only reason to do a D90s would be to use the improved microlenses and get the ISO boost.
It is really simple, if there is another run of D90 bodies before the line is replaced then there will be a D90s, otherwise there won’t. My guess is that there will be a D90s because there really isn’t that much else to update.
I can’t see any point to adding 2MP to a 12MP camera, it is 10% extra on the linear resolution. For that Nikon would have to dump $1million minimum into a new set of sensor masks. And why introduce the D300s with the 12MP sensor and then a D8000 with 14?
admin wrote : “no rumors for a D90 successor – probably in late 2010″
there is never a shortage of rumors, here you are, D90 successor:
D8000, late 2010, 14.* MP, no AF motor, swivel screen like D5000,only 720p but manual controls added to video, lighter and smaller than D90, hopefully by then Canon & Nikon will have realized that not having in-body IS is just too stupid.
To hell these 14 MP! Not more than 12, I hope. I hope, Nikon has brain. And I think it has one. Because D3s also 12 MP. Very wise decision. And Canon doesn’t have brain.
Doesn’t in body IS not work all that well with larger zooms? That’s what I’ve seen with the brands that offer it.
Don’t you think a D800 with 24mp and HD movie won’t kill sales of the D3s?
I doubt that the D800 will have the incredible low light capabilities of the D3s. I DO think that the D3x sales will be seriously injured, but then I’ve always thought that a high-resolution studio version of the D700 made more sense than a similar version of the D3.
D3x sales will not be hurt because there are not many in the first place.
My thoughts exactly. D3X has been slated as ‘overpriced’. Rather than drop pricing my guess is that Nikon would ‘reinvent’ it as a lower priced alternative – D800
I don’t think the D3x is the camera that Nikon wanted to make. It is just the camera they had to come out with to stay in the game. The D3x price says ‘yeah we can make a 24MP camera that is as good as a Canon, but don’t buy it yet’.
The D3x sensor is only ISO 1600, the D300 has the same sensor pitch but delivers ISO 3200, the D300s delivers ISO 6400.
Now let us imagine that Nikon had a new sensor package that made a 24MP D800 possible all ready to launch. Why on earth would they then bring out a revision of the D3 instead of a D4? It makes no sense at all. Even if they were desperate to hit the Xmas market with the D800, it would surely launch with the D4.
i guess it is possible that Nikon might do that, but I doubt they have the production line capacity to support making a D3s and D4 at the same time. Equally, the D300s has only just launched, I think it will be a while until they have a D800 production slot.
Now what might be a small nugget of truth to this is that Nikon might commit its next Dx00 slot to the D800 rather than the D700s. But the D700 has been selling reasonably well and it is pretty clear that there will be demand for a D700s even with a D800 on the block. So a D800 does not necessarily mean no D700s.
If they had the sensors available, Nikon would surely have launched the D4 and the D700s rather than a D3s and a D800. That way the D700s is the insanely high ISO body for specialist use, just like the D300s is the macro photography body for specialist use, and the D4 is the flagship camera with best of class performance.
Actually, the d3x has the same pixel pitch as the d60 and other 10mp sensors. Which is why the 1.5 crop mode is 10mp. A 1.5 crop sensor is slightly smaller than 50% the surface area of FX. Think about it this way, two 12mp dx sensors stuck together would have a higher pixel pitch (more dense pixels) than the 24 mp sensor.
Based on pixel pitch alone, the D3x ought to have better sensitivity than the d300. However a bigger sensor also means more resistance which means heat, which means noise. Of course that’s if both parts were designed the same…which I’m sure they aren’t.
The D800 wouldnt hurt sales of the D3s, because it wouldnt have the same super low light capabilities of the d3s sensor which puts the D3s in a catagory on its own with the mk4. it would basically be a 5Dii killer. because its does all the same things but with a few better specs like 51 point af and better build.
it will have, even better low light capabilities, same as D3x have but there are more important things for many photogs and resolution is only just one variable.
Many photogs will prefer D3’s 11fps against 24Mpix, beside other things. Dual card support, viewfinder, available crop modes, no separate grip, etc etc.
the D700 never killed sales of the D3. that’s 1980’s thinking. companies routinely upgrade models even if it eats some sales from an upper model. that or you go out of business.
“there has never been a DX00 in a x version”
and there has never been a dx00 in a “s” version either, untill now. D300s
hmm, well maybe there is a first for everything? D700x and D700 to live together, D800 and D700 just sounds weird together, its like if you buy D700 you are getting an older camera. But with the D700x it sort of like, oh you get it cuz you want the higher res.
Look at what Sony does, a850 is newer than the a900, ok they differ a bit, but still get what I mean?
Sony a850 is cheaper than the D700 and feature image stabilisation. The D700 should not be more expensive than the a850. A better D800 with top features like 51-area AF or 1080p video could justify a higher price tag.
Look around a bit more please, the 51-point autofocus is not new, already available in D700, D3(x+s)
d300(s)…
What’s weird about it? According to this rumor, the D800 is 24.5MP and with video. It is a different camera for a different market segment than the D700.
The 5D2’s strong points are cheap MP and video. The D800 rumored here will more than match it except in the price category.
and whats wrong with just naming it the D700x since it will just be another higher MP count and perhaps better IQ then the D3x.
Now I dun think just adding video and little improvements makes it worth to be called the D800. The D800 should be something groundbreaking like how the D300 and D3 was
It’s why the posting site version of the rumor doesn’t ring true to me. The posting site says that the D800 will “replace” the D700 according to their source. The camera described is not a replacement for the D700, no more than a D3x replaces a D3 – they’re very different cameras because of the sensor. Now, that could be sloppy paraphrasing on their part, but the way it’s been recast here is that the two will “co-exist” more believable, but that doesn’t help the Photography Bay version.
And isn’t the D3x features the same AF system as D3 and D700?
yes, and D300 I believe
Nope, the D300(s) uses the 3500DX module, not the 3500FX
Sound good, so that i can expect 2nd hand cheaper D700 in the market.
Nikon refurbs occasionally come into Adorama for $2169
What a rip-off, I got mine new for $2400. Thanks but $230 less to get someone else’s problem camera sounds bad.
Yea, what a rip off, especially since they keep selling out and they have a warranty. Refurbs are always because its defective, riiiiiight.
Maybe you’re a gull but don’t make this a rule for everybody. 9.6% off is hardly worth getting a used a camera for.
If this is true, this is exactly what I’ve been waiting/hoping for. I’ll love to see any other rumors as they roll in!
I hope they keep it w/ a Compact Flash card though
I guess same as the D300s has, dual card slots, CF + SD
very unlikely.
there’s no economic reason to do so.
Yeah sure, no economic reason at all.
Obviously nobody would buy a single one. This ‘D800′ with 1080p, 24.5 MP and 7 fps would be a total flop. Nikon would lose a fortune. Much wiser to hold back from that market sector, and watch Canon lose all that money on the D5 MkII.
When Nikon wants to release D800, people complain. When they don’t, people complain.
Bottom line: people suck.
That would fill a hole in Nikon’s lineup. This would go head to head with the 5D Mark II. If it is priced competitively the sales should be good. A lot of folks want this.
If such a camera is released, fingers crossed, it most certainly won’t be priced competitively. Otherwise, who’s going to buy a D3x when an identical camera with the same set of features, probably with 1080 video as well, is out there for a third of the D3x price. Canon can afford to do this with their 1Ds mark III but I don’t see Nikon killing their cash-cow, the D3x in less than a year from its release. I’m almost certain it won’t sell for anything less than 5K
The D3x isn’t a cash cow. The sales of it are minimal. It’s value lies more in terms of it’s status as the flagship.
game changing!!
But it’ll be steep. . . in between the D700 and D3s? So $2500 and 5000. . .priced around $3799??
The D3x sales would get killed though. . .I think fps will be slower to allow the D3x to continue to hold “reign”
I think the admin’s reply below is on the money. It’ll be much closer to $5k. If the framerate were 3-5fps, I would believe $4k; 7fps@24Mp is a higher data rate than even the 1DIV, which is already substantially higher than anything Nikon makes.
Price? That is a major question for me. Around $3500 and I would consider it, provided it also had good high ISO
Probably more than $3500 – otherwise they will cannibalize D3s/D3x sales (D3s for video, D3x for 24MP). I would not be surprised if they price right below $5000 and justify it by saying that this is a new line of DSLR. I am just guessing of course.
I guess it will fall in a range of US$3999 to $4499. should cost slightly less than a D3, and 60% of what a D3X ask for.
Another new line? Sound confusing and crazy to me. Busted.
If it was more than $3,500 there is no way I would buy it.
We know the price of a Canon 5D, we know Sony’s prices. We know what the other guys can do at what prices. And Nikon showed their hand with the D700 — which was widely popular by the way and very profitable — so we know what Nikon can do as well.
NR Admin, you are in a position to help leverage influence for us — the consumer — please do not push prices upwards. Please be on our side and help to pull prices down. $3,500 is quite enough for a D300/D700 style camera!!
nice from you, i also will like lower prices, but cannot agree that 24mpx d800 can be d300/d700 style camera even if i would enjoy such pricing
my guess is that this D800 rumor is a false rumor expressing the wishful list of some nikon disappointee
How many D3x are sold???
What is to cannibalize?
If Nikon wants to cannibalize Canon 5d & Sony a900, guess the good D800 price ???
Gérard Menthor wrote:”If Nikon wants to cannibalize Canon 5d & Sony a900, guess the good D800 price ???”
there is a kind of balance between the current budget full frame cameras, each one of them misses one or two features deemed important by some. Sony’s lack LV , D700 is low res, 5D II’s autofocus leaves a lot to be desired. so in a way nikon doesn’t need to care about the lo res of D700 until sony and canon fix their own imperfections. and if a D800 as descibed materializes it is likely to be priced considerably higher than all the budget FF mentioned above, and when you think about how it will be priced compared to D3S, you find such a D800 doesn’t make sense at all, why would they upgrade D700 to 24MP if they kept the D3 @ 12?! a 24MP D4 + 12MP D700S would have made sense, not the other way round.
That doesn’t make sense! Why should Nikon release a camera which has better specs than Nikon D3x, put it into a smaller body and sell it cheaper? Nobody would buy a D3x anymore, am I right?
You are right, but isnt that what technology is all about? Times change, and there is a need for high res high speed, with perfect timing after the announcement of the 1Dm4 being just APS-H
I think it sound a bit weird too.
Unless the D3s was really cheap to develop.
To my knowledge: It’s the same sensor as D3 (only tweaked), it’s the same body, it’s the same video technology as the D300s – one guy at Nikon could have made this in a day (kiddin’ – it would of course take at least two days).
So it seems like a good idea for them to release an old D3 with a shiny “s” on it, and then after everyone’s bought one they realease a cheaper, better camera that everyone also has to buy.
Why spend too much time pushing technology, when they can milk people with minor updates?
I might be wrong, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this was the reality.
When you think about it, they did it before: D700.
Nikon can do it because everyone who needs the D3x already bought it.
If you think you need (note the word here: need) a D3x but you don’t already own a D3x, it means you are wrong and you don’t need (again, the word) a D3x.
However, I agree with you, the specs are a bit excessive.
C’mon… as much as I would love for this rumor to be true, can anyone identify a compelling reason to buy a D3s if these specs are true? I find it hard to believe that Nikon would release a camera two months from now that would render their other newly released camera obsolete. I hope I’m wrong.
you are
Do you have first-hand knowledge of my wrongness? Or are you just shooting from the hip blllybob? Please tell!
Hipshot. Just doesn’t make sense. These specs are a fanboy’s wet dream.
Man, the day I wet dream about a camera it will be time to think about suicide.
Think about low light performance, there is your difference, and also, processing power and speed still differ last time I looked.
1080p isnt the specification out there that would make pro’s consider ‘just’ a D800 instead of the D3s
thsi is exactly what i’ve been saying when people ask about this “camera” (really just a rumor) – nikon would basically have to do one of two things – charge 4g’s for it or make a D4s that does something so much better than any nikon currently out…
Today at B&H the 5D Mark II is selling for $2700 USD, body only. It was higher when first released. I think if Nikon produces this and caps the price at $3500, it will compete with Canon and Sony. I don’t think it will hurt D3x sales, much if any. The buyers of the D3x are going to want all the Pro features, build and body that the D3x has to offer. The folks that would buy the D800/D700x would never pay $8000 for a camera anyway. This would get their purchase instead of Canon or Sony.
Additionally, D3 / D3s shooters, just might decide that is something they can add to their kit for Hi-Res photos and not break the bank or budget for what they shoot. I really don’t think it will greatly impact D3x sales. I do think it will take some sales away from Canon and Sony though.
Just my opinion.
Okay, but let’s say someone wants to buy a professional camera with 24.5MP. He would now have two options:
a) Buy a Nikon D3x, 24.5MP, Weatherproof & rugged magnesium body, 5fps, No D-Movie, heavy, $8000.-
b) Buy a Nikon D800, 24.5MP, Weatherproof & rugged magnesium body, 7fps (even more with MB-D10), 1080p D-Movie, lighter, $3500.-
I think the decisions will tend to option b…
I think the D3x was just to serve the crowd that needed high res and didnt bother to pay the premium at that moment!
you’re right, the 7fps makes no sense, I told the guy who spammed this rumor in the forums yesterday…
However, we can expect the viewfinder of the D800 to be inferior to the one in the D3x.
That’s for sure, it has always been like that with little brother (or are they sisters?) cameras
In our NikonRumors forum? I must have missed that thread.
Admin, how trustworthy is this source on a scale of 1-10? Has it been correct in the past?
YOU MISSED THAT THREAD ADMIN? The guy spammed SEVEN different threads with the same info (exact same info that you got in this blog entry) The threads were all old D700 upgrade conversations..
Note: Spam is not the good word, but saying the exact same rumor copy pasted in 7 threads was a bit excessive.
I’m actually very surprised to see this rumor here because in the forums we all thought that he was messing around.. I’m having trouble to believe the 7 fps.. I’d see more something like 4-5..
Macindows: Good name by the way… To answer your question, I’d say this info is probably not trustworthy…. (but I actually have no idea so this is just a wild guess)
His name is alan_hyatt06
by the way admin… I think it’s time for you to refresh the forums… we need some forum tools like quoting and all you know.. These things are everywhere now so you gotta follow and add them. There’s a lot of work to do on the Nikon Forums and I’m sure your site would benefit of more traffic if you added these things.
There IS a difference in the D3(x/s) class than than the D700/D300 bodies. The pro bodies are better and more weatherproof. When you add the grip, built in flash, etc. you lose some of the weatherproof abilities.
The D3(x/s) class bodies are built like a tank, the D700/D300 bodies are well built, this is for sure, but they are Not as good as the Pro bodies for hard action, in the field type work. People seem to think so but they are not.
No matter what a lot of people think, there is a reason that there are multiple bodies, they are for different markets. They all share a lot but they are not all the same. The D700 while it is an excellent camera and can do most of what the D3 can do is not a D3. There are reasons there is this notch in the lineup, it is not all price.
no, you forget the 5d mkii (just looking at the specs of course not counting the factory flaws….)
PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLeeeease let this be true!
Given how much a D3x costs, I would be happy to pay in the high $3000 / low $4000 range for this
You are kidding right ?
I just received my D700 YESTERDAY !!!!!!!
And? Did it stop working yet?
I guess suddenly it started taking crap photos.
Well, I did not have a chance to try it yet !
test in piece, some rumours bring us funny long comment section only
D700 is great camera. Enjoy it, dont look back. You wont need 24.MP or a video. Video is a new toy of DSLRs this year.
its going to be a different level of a camera, not a d700 update…
d800, it makes sense.
they will prob price it between 3.5 – 4k
that way it won’t compete with the d3s or the d3x or the d700.
Why in the world would anyone buy a D3s if this D800 rumor is true? Slightly higher frame rate? Higher ISO? As much as we love our Nikons, it’s important to keep in mind that Nikon is a business, and their ultimate goal is to make their stakeowners/shareholders rich.
Look at the current line up– D90, D300s, D700, D3s, D3x– they all beautifully fit together without overlap or violation of the “pay more to get more” principle. Where does the hypothetical D800 fit? Of course it will be cheaper than the D3s/D3x… but with 1080p that neither has, with double the resolution of the D3s, faster frame rate of the D3x… that’s crazy.
For those who don’t think 1080p is significantly better than 720p– keep in mind that 1920×1080 is a two megapixel image; 1280×720 is a one megapixel image. I use both formats frequently and there is a huge, obvious different that a department store $1500 TV can easily show.
why would anyone buy a D300s if they can as well buy a D5000/D90, they have the same sensor, just lower frame rates.
and now, tell me, why you think these two cameras compete within the brand for the same audience?
As you say, the framerate is slower on the D90 (also, it doesn’t meter with AI lenses, has a vastly inferior autofocus system, doesn’t have AF finetune, and isn’t weather sealed, but sure the comparison is apt). This supposed D800 shoots full frame as fast as the D3x does in crop mode. And need I remind you that neither the D700 nor D300s have as high a framerate as the D3(s)? Everything here seems kosher except the framerate, which makes me think this is just someone’s wishlist.
That’s a reductive view of a business.
Why did people keep buying the D3 when the D700 was released?
The D700 has the same image quality as the original D3 + sensor cleaning.
It has MORE features – yet the D3 kept selling. Why?
Apparently better build and faster fps I think. Otherwise people often just want the “pro” cam because they are pros. Nikon could re-badge a D40 “pro” and pros would flock.
Please have the same or better high iso capabilities as the d3s and I’ll be happy!
I think not
if it did nobody would buy a d3x
Huh… D3x has crap ISO.
Absolutely agree. I want D3s in D700 body (or even smaller) (like D3 > D700). In hell megapixels. Or give us few models with 24 MP and 12 MP. I want D3s’ amazing ISO in a smaller, lighter and cheaper body.
sounds great, but I don’t believe it until I see it released.
should be a C*** 5D mII competitor, espescially in price.
shouldn’t be more than 2999.- $
What you want it to be and what it will be are two different things.
I don’t know haw real this rumor is, but let me echo, it’s the camera I have been waiting for for 5 years.
As far as hurting F3 sales, there are people who will always buy Nikon pro gear. The spec comparison between pro and advanced amateur gear has always been close. Pros, the people the D3x was designed for, will still buy it.
I just hope they price it at arount $2700. At that price I think advanced amateurs will eat it up.
BTW I have heard from camera insiders that pricing for cameras at these prices is pretty much a “what will they pay for it” kind of thing.
Obviously it doesnt cost 8000 to make an D3x, but thats what they can get for it.
I would assume it wont handle the great HIgh Iso of D3, D3s and D700…. if it really does come out, i might buy a D800 and a D700… (one for low light, one for high res). Probably cheaper than one D3s.
mmmm, guess you are wrong, in the Netherlands the D700 goes for about 2000 euro off the shelves, and the D3s is planned for 4500, which would probably lower to 4000 within a week or two. try finding a D800 for 2000 at the release
it wont handle good iso but will handle all the mp whore demands.
Interesting rumor if true.
As to pricing, overlap with the D3 series, etc…consider that when the D700 was introduced, many people were shocked, because in many ways it was the internals and specs of a D3 inside of a D300 type body, at far less price. So Nikon has done this before.
I think the true professionals who use the D3 series will still buy those models as well, preferring the pro body, etc. If anything they’ll add a D800 as a second body.
I also think any company needs to follow the Apple model, and not worry about its own products competing against themselves…as many have said, if you don’t build the product that supercedes your current models, someone else will.
Pricing would be the key on this unit. If they really want to compete against the 5dii they need to price it in that same range. And let’s face it…this prosumer market is where a lot of the money is. I would venture Canon has made far more selling a ton of 5dii’s than they ever will selling their 1d models, because the market is so much larger.
If Nikon really wants to get aggressive, they should price this below $3000 and lower the price of the D700 to around $2000. I don’t think they will, but it would definitely create a surge of sales.
And let’s not forget that if you can get people to buy into your cameras, you get them to buy your lenses, etc. It’s kind of like the video game market; you get ongoing business for the entire ecosystem of products. So it may be worth it for Nikon to sacrifice a little price on these models just to get more people into the Nikon system.
A couple of thoughts on this.
Price – At the moment here in the UK the Canon 5DII sells for about £1,850 and the D700 £1,750. Canon has rapidly dropped the price of the 5DII from £2,250 because it was hardly impacting D700 sales. I believe that this due to the following; that it was seen as being of a much lower build quality, its supposed ‘killer’ feature, video, although it caused a jump in sales when it first appeared, was of little or no interest to the majority of upgrading photographers, and when those same photographers put their medium quality range lenses on it they saw that a 20+ Mp sensor also meant that they would have to buy top quality glass to go with it. I think that if a D800 is introduced, assuming equal to or better build quality than the D700, Nikon could sell them at £2,500.
If a D800 is introduced I will buy one in time, but not before I have bought the 24-70 & 70-200 f2.8 zooms and only then if I find that I can use my Ais manual lenses with it.
Price relative to D3s/D3x – Despite having the 5DII at £1,850 Canon have just introduced the 1D4, at £4,500 here in the UK, with a 16 Mp sensor. They will sell them, as Nikon will continue to sell the D3s/D3x, because they are aimed at two completely different markets. In fact Nikon may well sell a lot of D800’s to PJs who already own the D3/D3s who want a back up camera for when there is a chance to get a high res shot from which they can make extra money.
Pretty vague.. +non-pro without a 100% viewfinder. Also: we need lighter cameras. Is this going to happen soon? I would go for the D3X if it wasn’t for the weight.
I would like (it’s not a joke, please!) someone could explain me the idea behind “movie” in a photo camera…..
it is another feature on the list
So photographers can pretend they’re good at filmmaking because their videos have depth of field….
Who wants a D800 for 3500/4000 k with a Scarlett for the same price?
Photographic functions?
I think Canon and Nikon will be history in November with their bad video solutions.
They should keep make excelent still cameras and leave the video.
I did want a HD-dslr for more than a year but I couldn´t buy one because all are crap devices – as video cameras.
I´m about to buy a D700, just fr my photographic work (I´m so glad ther´s a gooood stills camera available) and in an year from now I´ll buy a Scarlett just to make my films.
I wonder if it wouldn’t be better business lowering the price of D3x . They would save a lot of money in research. Later they could improve video aspect of D3s and everybody happy. That rumor doesn’t make any sense, not reliable.
I think that would be in Nikon’s best interest too, maintaining the current price of the D3X will not maxmise their sales and they would be better off enticing more buyers with lesser price.
Having said that, I still believe Nikon need a D700X in their line-up sooner then later. If Nikon rely on past release history and wait until the next generation of cameras (2011-2012) they will have missed the boat.
This rumor is complete nonsense. Have you forgotten, what Peter Giesen from Nikon Germany has said here in a blog on Oct. 3,2009: “the D700 has been introduced only last year, and we won’t have a successor in the near future” Anybody is producing untrue rumors without any background. The follower of the 700 will come in one year or so. It must!!! After the D3s has come instead of the D700x I have bought a D300s instead of a D700x, I would have prefered.
Please be true!!!! Even if it’s not true, admin, you have made my day!
I’d buy that if it offers good manual control over the video… I want it fully manual… cmon I’m ready to invest a few thousands in camera gear, it probably means that I know how to expose my stuff myself right?
Pansottin said:
Who wants a D800 for 3500/4000 k with a Scarlett for the same price?
I suggest you go read the specs of that 3500-4000$ scarlett before you compare it to an interchangeable lens camera with full frame sensor…
My point is that as a cinema tool Scarlett will be much better, MUCH better. For stills I don´t know; 9 days more maybe and we´ll know.
Who want´s mpeg2/720p, etc, etc; even in a full frame sensor?
For now my kit could be D700 for stills and a Scarlett for film.
The same Nikon or Zeiss lens for both.
Canon 5D/7D is my compromised solution if I can´t afford Nikon+RED.
9 days ,-)
The trouble with scarlet is that that price is just for the “Brain”. The extra bits like grips, LCD’s, viewfinders, batteries, storage modules etc re all going to drive the price up.
Nine days and what will happen ?
I’m way more anxious to see the D3s sensor in a cheaper body, that’d be a hit for wedding shooters on a budget.
Yes, I think the same!
I want a d700s
its my dream camera
It would actually make a lot of sense for the D700X/D800 to be released in late December because if you look at Nikon’s release history, the D3 & the D300 were released in mid 2007, the D700 was released a year later in mid 2008. Then in late December of 2008 came the D3X. This year mid 2009 the D300 & D3 receive their “S” upgrades leaving room for the D700 to receive its “X”/D800 upgrade in December. Hence the D700S should come mid 2010 etc. In my opinion this is 60% likely to happen based on history though I doubt the specs will be as great as the rumors imply simply because they never are… But it will be very interesting to see what Nikon does if they are producing such a model.
Next year the line up of Nikon?
D3000, D5000, D7000? (D90 successor), D8000/9000? (D90 with FX), D300s/D400, D700(s?), D800, D3s, D3x, D4?
Man, that would be the perfect line up to work on for Nikon
… “Why would they do that it will kill the D3s sales… blah blah blah.” If it does Nikon will just slow production on the D3s. As long as cash is flowing into their pocket and not Canon/Sony’s they are happy. It also help the sales of lens and other accessories.
There are many other reasons that I could think of…..
A D700X/D800 would not slow down the sales of the D3s because they are made for two different purposes. a D800 in reality would be about 3.5fps/5fps with grip, 720p, 12800iso maybe, & 24mp mainly meant for studio shooters as is the D3X. I happen to be buying a D3s & the possibility of a D800 does not effect my decision in this at all simply because i am not a studio photographer & i don’t need 24mp.
Keep in mind that this camera will probably be eventualy sold alongside the D4, D4x and D400. The specs might seem crazy now, but the D4 will be even better.
I am sick of all this D700x/D800 rumors/speculations, and decided to spend more time shooting with my D700 instead. 24MP at 7fps that’s even faster than D3X frame rate? not a chance….not even at $5000.
Maybe all that would happen is a D700s next summer, pretty much like the D3->D700 transition.
Somehow I began to realize this whole D700X/D800 thing might never happen. There were so many things rumored for years that never showed up.
I’m in tears….. good times!
Good rumor… I’m on the order list if this is true, but what will the D4 be if this is already so …. let’s say “AMAZING!”
The long awaited 14 fps?
This is crazy. In 5 years’ time people will be asking for 24 fps at some 35MP resolution, so that they can effectively have huge reolution video and still be able to print every single frame as a normal high-res. photo. Come to think of it, this would probably be better than trying to imitate video cameras…
I’ll definitely buy one for sure, maybe even 2 units if the price is around $3K – $3.5K.
I need a different setup/body to my D3, hi res & video are most welcomed.
Hopefully it will hit the store by end of this year.
I don’t buy it…
The D3x does 4.5fps but this can do 7?
Unless it has a new processor too I don’t see it happening…
And it will steal D3x market share.
IF there is a D800 I’d suspect Nikon to release it with something like 16-18mp.
There’s a reason why the D700 only has 12…
Unless it will be announced alongside a D4(x) with a silly megapixel increase.
Could be dual processors?
In a D700/D300 kind of body, keep on dreaming
The D700 has 12Mp because it uses the same sensor as the D3. That’s why anyone suggesting a high-res FX in D700 body with anything but 24.5Mp is being silly.
Won’t happen.
If nikon had 1080 they would have put it in the d3s
And why is that, update versus upgrade, upgrades need to bring something totally new to make it attractive for the masses, update is just for the people that are new to the higher level market or people that are gadget freaks
YES Please…also don’t forget to release AF-S 16-35/4 too.
Cmon, that sounds absolutly unrealistic! A D800 with almost the speed of the D3 faster then the D3x but same sensor plus 1080p video wich is not even integrated into the just released D3 update? Usually you give some kind of rating to the rumors you post and this one is clearly a stupid wishlist.
can you proof what you just said?
And I am not talking about no 1080p in the D3s
D800 needs to bring specs that make it very attractive to buy over anything in its own part of the market (D700/5DmII/a850 and such)
Listed specs with 4fps continuous and a $4k pricetag, I think, would be sufficient to make people buy one. Maybe not everyone here, but enough people for Nikon to make money off of the endeavor. That said, I wonder if they would really put in 1080p, since they don’t seem to think it’s very important. 720p seems more likely just on historical grounds.
WADABAUT LENSES!?
they are still available
The prosumer model will have higher frame rate than the pro D3x (7 vs. 5 fps)? Higher frame rate than the D700? Higner pixel throughput than any Nikon ever made?
Yep, and that’s why it is an upgrade and not an updated D700x. Possibly we will see a new EXPEED processor next year.
Bullshit. I would believe specs like that in the D4 series, but not yet, and not in a prosumer body.
this is a point no one has made, the d700 came out AFTER the d3.
i think we will see a d4 befor a d800
Great to hear this and wish this is going to come truth. Looking forward if this can have a price tag similar to 5DII.
How come they would release a 1080p when the recently announced D3s could only manage 720p!? Sounds strange. I assume ‘flagship ‘ will still be D3s and D3x.
I want whatever they’re smoking.
Come talk to me soap and I’ll hook you up
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
My guess is that the next in line would be a D400 with the same rebuild style as they did with the D3 to s, if the managed to squeeze 1,3 f-stop och iso quality from that already excellent sensor they problably will do the same to the DX sensor. That will be the base for the D400 and then add som video crap as a bonus.
I thin the D800 and D4 will be released close in time. That would make most sense. Or a D700x and the D4.
These specs above just sounds like a complete mock up of some dreamer. No sense what so ever.
If this rumor is true, the 7fps will likely be in dx crop mode just like the d3x has.
If the D3x had been like the F6 I probably would have found a way to buy it by now. ie.- Just as robust feeling as the d3/d3x are, 100%finder, no pop up flash, add a grip if you need it.
I didn’t know that there’s someone like me, doesn’t like the built-in flash.
CHEERS…
Exciting, but not a chance *this year*. The rumor of D800 coming is likely, but it would be next spring or middle of next year.
I like your name but remember there can only be one Niko around these woods and that’s me
what about me?
JK its me fotosniper!
what the price would be? I think it will be around 3500 bucks!
This would be genius and is what everyone is looking for.
If Nikon really wanted a perfection theyd do a D800 and then
a D700s high-ISO D700 with video and dual slot.
I agree that the spec list reads like a wish list. However, there still could be a D800 coming, just w/ tamed down specs compared to these.
The specs would make sense if Nikon looked around and saw what Canon and Sony had released, and decided they needed a game changer release this year.
Remember, the German Nikon rep stated there would be no update to the D700 series this year…not that there wouldn’t be a new D800 line.
the perfect D700 upgrade would be…. dual card slots, 100% viewfinder, maybe video…
Thats all it would take from me to buy, although mise well pass along that lowlight tech too.
7 fps unlikely, unless D800 is only 12 bits. For 14 bits, I’d say at most 2.5 fps, like D300. The D3X ADC requires oversampling to produce 14 bits.
I think Nikon is getting beaten by Canon in marketing moreso than anything else.
Nikon releases the D300s and Canon the 7D, and Canon gets all the buzz. Nevermind that the 7D is largely playing catchup to what the D300 had 2 years ago. Nevermind that Chase Jarvis is shooting some video on the D300s, or that Scott Kelby is also using one for some of his work. All we hear about are the video guys using the 7D.
Nikon releases the D3s and Canon the 1D4, and once again, it seems Canon gets the most buzz. Blogs like Gizmodo and Engadget trumpet the 1d4s low light/high ISO capability, even though the D3s is at least as good and probably better. And once again, on the video front, the new Laforet video w/ the 1d4 steals the attention. When Chase Jarvis makes a really cool video w/ the D3s do you think it will get a fraction of the buzz that the Laforet video has?
Moreso than any new camera, Nikon needs to get its marketing dept into gear, and especially leverage the work and names of the pro’s that are out there using Nikon.
Now I will say that a D800, if its competitive with the 5d2 in price, will be a great way to turbocharge their sales.
I don’t know where you’re getting your news from, but IR has posted D3s’ high ISO shots and they are much better than what’s available so far from 1D4’s. Canon has not even posted a single shot from 1d4 over 3200ISO.
I don’t buy this rumor for one simple reason – it would undercut the D3s.
Think about it. The D800 would have higher resolution imaging, higher resolution video, faster framerate, and at half the cost. Although very desireable from the consumer’s point of view, it would be commercial suicide for Nikon….or at least suicide for the D3s. I’m sure D800 sales would go through the roof.
Wow, I think lots of people have their BS meters off today.
Name one time Nikon completely trumped it’s pro bodies with a pro-sumer body. It just doesn’t happen, or the D700 would have outspec’d the D3.
My prediction would be a D700s early – mid next year with a D3s sensor in it. Once the D4 launches, give it a year and they’ll put that sensor into a D800. That’s a realistic release path. This rumor is just a wish list
A D800 can be a very smart – or even necessary – move!
I don’t put much weight to those that say it won’t happen because it would cannibalize the D3X/D3s sales. The same people said the same thing just before the D700 was released.
As far as the D800 might go, it could be a necessary move for Nikon. Too long there have existed small body, high-res alternatives from Canon (with video) and Sony. I myself, if the newer Canon TS-lenses was a bit cheaper, I might have switched by now, but I’ll hang on for now.
“I don’t put much weight to those that say it won’t happen because it would cannibalize the D3X/D3s sales. The same people said the same thing just before the D700 was released.”
No, but the D700 did not exceed the D3 in any point. In the same way, I would not expect the D800 to exceed the D3x in any way (unless the D3x gets updated as well).
The D700 is in many ways competitive w/ the D3. Many reviewers noted that one could get essentially the same image quality, in a smaller body, with some ergonomic improvements, and even the sensor cleaning feature.
Sure the D3 can shoot more fps, but for many people, a D700 will work just as well…and if you add the battery grip, you pretty much have a D3 at a far lower price.
Well, the D3X was probably too far in the pipeline when Canon and Sony released their high res small bodies, so it had to be released. Further it has proved profitable (as far as I’ve heard) so far. A full time studio pro will probably prefer the D3X because of its superior handling (I use the D700, but have also used D2/D3-style bodies, and it’s no contest; bigger body wins for handling).
So Nikon needs to win the amateurs/enthusiast: D800
I talked to an owner of a local photo store recently and asked if he had any insights of any possible upgrade for the D700. Of course if he knew he wouldn’t tell, but he did say that there will was expecting a new shipment of gear from Nikon, which also included D700. So if Nikon were to release D800 this year, why would they dump all that old stuff on retailers. This just wouldn’t make sense. They would rather have it sold out to clear the stock.
But then again, it could be all sales talk to lure me into buying a D700, which I would anyway very soon.
it would make sense if nikon was trying to clear out old stock so they can clear out room for new stock…..
So the D800 would be all the positive things of the D3x and the D3s, plus HD movie. In a smaller body? Hmmmmmm what to get????? Wouldn’t this kill the D3 sales big time?
I totally agree with you! Who’s gonna buy the D3s or the D3X when you can get the D800 for a cheaper price? Did Canon started this rumor just to kill Nikon D3s and D3X market?
Nobody, because this rumour is absolute bollocks.
I find this really humorous.
Glad you liked it.
This is pretty silly. It will mostly like be exactly the same as the D700, but with the D3x sensor, 3-4 fps, and 5 fps with grip. And have some sort of video. probably 720. It will still edge out the D3x a bit. But really, anyone who is going to buy a D3x for what Nikon is asking already has done so.
So now they can continue both the D700 and D800 or whatever for similar price points, and neither will compete with the D3s.
some of you guys taking this RUMOR too serious.
totally unbelievable for the near future – these specs exceed the D3X dont they? maybe in 2 years
I’ll stick to what a poster at DPR has being saying (and he usually gets it right): no D700 + 24MP sensor. It’ll be a newer sensor.
who is this DPR poster?
I did not miss your previous comment – this is the dpreview post you are referring to:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33349126
I am monitoring closely
Recent post:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33442007
Going on Nikon’s past history, they have never introduced a new sensor whose megapixel count was not introduced on a flagship body first. I find it very hard to believe that Nikon would suddenly introduce a 18MP body (what M Lammerse hinted at in a different thread) and incur more production costs instead of re-using an existing sensor like they have done so many times in the past.
Seeing as Nikon are using Sony sensors, there has been no announcements from Sony’s semiconductor division on any new 16 or 18MP sensors, nor any rumours of a new body sporting such a sensor. There is a a550 using a 14MP sensor but this seems hardly a substantial leap to the current D700.
If there is a supposed 18MP in production, why did Nikon not use this in the D3X instead of the 24.5MP sensor? It seems to me Nikon wanted to leapfrog Canon’s 1DsMkIII, I would think they would use the same strategy against the 5DMkII and continue using the superior sensor.
Okay there does appear to be a 18MP Sony DSLR rumour (http://sonyalpharumors.com/sony-alpha-950/), is the D800 rumour just a regurgitation of the a950?
I’m inclined to think the next sensor in a D800 will be used in the D4 as well, around 18MP, so likely not a Sony sensor, but a home-brewed, just like D3/D3s/D700’s sensor. Some say made by Renesas (Thom Hogan has mentioned that, they have worked with Nikon: http://resource.renesas.com/lib/eng/edge/11/special02.html).
Here’s an interesting link about who makes the D3’s sensor:
http://www.chipworks.com/blogs.aspx?id=4626&blogid=86)
Ah thanks for the links, I hadn’t read that before that Sony may not be the manufacturer of the D3/D700 sensor but did know Nikon designed the sensor.
I agree though, we’ll definetly see a 18MP sensor in a D4 before anything else.
I think that there could be some validity to a D800 – but I think it may be wrong to view a D800 as a successor to the D700. I look at it like this, the D3 was a costly 12.1mp FX sensor, followed by the D700 which was the semi-costly 12.1mp FX sensor, big brother little brother.
Now we have the very-costly D3X 24.5mp FX sensor and it needs a little brother, so a D800 w/ 24.5mp FX sensor and video would make complete sense…perhaps everyone is hung up on the name D800. The point here is that Nikon needs to come out with a 24.5mp little brother for the D3X – and yes, it would probably cost upwards of about a $1000.00 more than the D3S but it would cost as much as the D3X.
I think that the bottom line is that there are several Nikon shooters that would love to have a 24.5mp FX sensor but not have to pay out the full cost for the D3X. Granted, no matter how you look at it – a 24.5mp baby brother to the D3X would still be costly but not as costly and Nikon would make extra money from the battery grip it would require…and perhaps a brand new battery grip at that.
It need not be expensive. sony was able to provide that kind of resolution for $2000 and canon has 21mp for $2500
Check body quality of D700 and those cameras. And maybe we are talking of a new sensor, not the 24.5MP from Sony.
Pricing does not reflect product cost. It is just how much the market will bear. D3x has a target market of high end professionals who make enough money to justify the purchase or the companies buy for them.
I just go my D700 yesterday, the on-off-light button and some others (focus selection) are hard to turn (compare to D200).
Is it due to the dust/rain sealing or I just got a lemon ?
its harder to turn than the last gen nikons it feels cheaper…
I’ll just put some oil (just kidding).
Thanks.
Kind of makes sense. The photojournalist camera needs 720 rather than 1080 because of upload speeds required for news/sports. But just like the D90 had 1080 first, so the first 1080p camera is not high-end. Just like Canon.
ugh… the d90 doesnt have 1080p lol. Do you even know what your talking about?
clearly not
If they didn’t get 1080p into the D3s, why would anyone think it would go into a lower level camera? That doesn’t make any sense to me. And 24.5MP doesn’t make much sense either because the ISO performance would be poor.
Half the time I think these rumors are generated by “wishful thinkers” who actually have no idea of the impact of what they’re wishing for.
It could be a sensor issue, the D3(s) & D3X are totally different sensors so if the rumoured D800 is using the D3X sensor then your reason is right there.
Of course it’s ISO performance will be poorer, it is designed for studio, landscape and architecture work where high ISO is rarely used, low ISO performance is what’s sort after. For high detail work you want as minimal noise and maximum clarity as possible.
+1. This thread has the stink of a lot of dissappointed D700x wannabees. It ain’t happening folks. Go shoot some pictures with what you’ve got.
d700 high iso 12mp, high frames rate 5 pfs and 8 pfs. d800 24mp, movie, usable iso is 1600/ 3200. low frame rate 3 pfs . 5 pfs with grip full 24m.p or 5 pfs without grip 12pfs. BOTH COEXIST in da market would make more sense. d800 would be 3.2k$ while d700 is 2200$
just like the d3x and the d3 co-existing…. not its the d3s and the d3x each with different capabilities and uses…
d800 . 24 m.p, movie, usable iso is 1600/ 3200. low frame rate 3 pfs . 5 pfs with grip full 24m.p or 5 pfs without grip 12 m.p only
i just dont buy it….
7fps and 24.5MPx?
The D3x/a900/a850 sensor just reach 6.5 transfer rate… how will reach 7fps?
more memory and faster processing.
It is not problem of the memory or processor, is the sensor.
The more likely scenario (I hope):
What if Nikon designed and developed a new 18MP FX sensor that used D3s technology? 18MP provides a nice jump in resolution without giving much up in noise. Given the 1-stop+ improvement from D3 to D3s, an 18MP FX sensor should do 200-6400, plus Hi-1 and Hi-2 and Hi-3. You get plenty of resolution with excellent high-ISO performance of the original D3.
Benefits:
- It would be fab’d at the same place that makes the D3s sensor, thus increasing fab utilization and helps recover fab costs more quickly than the D3s alone.
- 12-channel readout will allow the 7 fps.
- Doesn’t kill sales of the D3x and allows for a future D3xs (with video) update
- A killer line-up: D3s, D800, and D3x.
Drawbacks:
- Those who wanted an affordable, 24MP FX sensor will “only” get 18MP
- Such a camera would be priced very close to the D3s and well above the 5D2, A850/900.
Simon
Nikon won’t trump their own flagship DSLR with a lesser model, you may see those features in a D4 but not beforehand.
I like elements of your idea, I would not mind the “18MP D800″ but Nikon really needs it to be under $3000, I think the $2800 price point is good.
Along with this, the D700 should drop a bit, ideal would be $1999 to compete with Sony’s under $2000 camera.
Opps, let me include regarding the D300s. It has video so that can be a divide for it from the FX D700.
Has this post just generated the most replies in the NR history?
I think it shows something there. Quite a lot of people care about this hopeful camera.
I love it love it love it❤ but I’m a lazy bastard & didn’t read all of the above posts. How much dinero do you guys suppose☺
I’m quite happy with my D700. I really hope this is true coz:
1) New Lenses
2) A temporary end to the whining on this and other boards
+1
lol at No 2 (which I’m fairly guilty of)
hehe, Admin, I need something new to reply on
All these people are starting to repeat what has already said before, *lazy bastards* dont even read through the few comments (just kidding) Doing a great job still, if camera rumors like the D3s and D800 evoke such great numbers in comments lately, I am curious what the lens rumors will so soon 
has been said*
will do soon*
This is an unrealistic JOKE. The limiting factor for todays cameras is the readout speed of the sensor. Canon leads by 160MP/s of their new 1Div.
Since Nikon does not make sensors themself, they need large quantites in their orders, thus they reuse the same sensor. The D3x sensor does 5fps.
Puting a new sensor in the D800 would mean a sensor designed for the D4. Such a sensor would need to do 10fps. Canon does 160MP/s, Nikon won’t du much more soon.
It is much more likely that the D4 is released before, or together with a D800. In which case the sensor will probably go by 16MP@10 fps. To put less stress on the mirror in a D800, as well as distinguish it from a D4, they would probably limit it to 8FPS.
If the rumour about skipping the D700s, that would be good, because it would indicate that we are closer to a new senor that is DESIGNED to do video.
I don’t want VIDEO.I wish to see all the features listed exculding HD Video for bit lesser Price..
Why would the price be lower?
There is no BoM (Bill of Material) cost for the video-feature. The only extra cost is R&D. And that cost is probably already payed for by the D90.
I buy IMMEDIATELY this D800, without any video, with 3 fps, for the Canon D5 price !!!
I dont shoot, I make pictures
You guys are living a pipe dream if you think Nikon is going to come out with a 24.5 MP camera that isn’t a D3x. For some Nikon shooters many of you seem to not realize something that Nikon seems to push, and that is image quality not megapixels. If you want megapixels on a body that’s half as good go switch to Canon.
What is most likely, Is we’ll see a Nikon D4 and D4x next year along with a D800 that has the D4 sensor but won’t nearly have the same features. I think that would be int he neighbourhood of 15-18 megapixels. Once again though, who cares. 95% of people shooting with DSLRs really have no actual need for a 24.5 megapixel camera. I think some people honestly just want it to have to say they have it.
I personally have a D3x and I’m waiting for the D3s to get in stock to buy one as a back up camera.
Just an FYI you are all chiming in how good the 5d Mark II is because it has 21 megapixels. I know it’s so great that it also has an autofocus system that was designed in 2004.
Having owned both Canon and Nikon and just recently having switched to Nikon. I can tell you I’d take the D700 over the 5D Mark II any day of the week.
The market has changed and I don’t think Nikon has the luxury to continue on with their slow to market strategy or release schedule they’ve followed in the past. On past history, typically we would be waiting until about 2012 or 2013 for Nikon to release another body with the same MP as it’s flagship Pro body but this resulted in Nikon losing market share.
Canon is putting the pressure on Nikon again but it’s not only them this time as Sony are quickly find their feet also. I shoot primarily landscapes, Canon has about 80% of this market I’m sure of it, all in the form of the 1DsMkIII or the 5DMkII, Nikon is hardly to be seen despite having a D3X out now. Nikon is failing at catching this market because of the lack of high MP options for photographers. Landscapers always want more resolution to capture the detail, not less, the D3X is a costly option and the large body is hardly needed when using a tripod and L-bracket.
Enjoy your 1D crop sensor IQ & all of your noise sir… Ha I love you folks!!!
Ignore this as it was meant to be a response to nonsense.
They better come up with D700x or D800 otherwise I switch to Canon
If you need 20+mp so desperately, why didn’t you get a mid format camera years ago?
But then there will be nothing to whine about. Worse, the problem is not the gear anymore when the pictures still suck.
bye
I find the comparison to the 5DmkII confusing.
If Nikon were to make a comparable product, it would be a new line. Build and features akin to the D90 but with a full frame sensor.
The D700 is a totally different line to the 5D IMHO and serves a different market. It just so happens that the prices are similar at the moment.
Just as Nikon don’t make an equivalent to the 5D, Canon make no equivalent to the D700.
If what people want is a consumer camera with a huge megapixel, full frame sensor, maybe Nikon will make one. They don’t at the moment though – they only make prosumer and Pro full frame bodies. Anyone who has picked up a 5D MkII will testify that it’s by no means even prosumer grade.
With that in mind, why would the D800 be priced similarly to the 5D? Of course, it wont.
I think what people really want is a 5D equivalent from Nikon and I hope one comes along soon.
D800 seems incredibly unlikely before a D4 which I would expect in the shops next October.
D4 not around till 2011.
D700s if it comes out is late 2010
D800 more likely 2012
I Agree 200%
I’m thinking D4 early 2011, D700s early/mid 2010, D4X mid 2012. I think we’ll see a D800 or something along those lines in 2010, 2012 will be too late as the market is shifting quickly now.
I can’t see Nikon putting the D3X sensor in a enthusiest grade camera first (ala D90), it would be completely out of character for them, especially when looking at past and recent history.
If Nikon are going to re-use the D3X sensor, they will want to put it in a quality body because that’s what their brand is based on and I can’t see them pricing it the same level as the D700 either, they will still ask a premium for it.
Me neither and I wasn’t suggesting they would. But, they could produce a D90 quality body with full frame and high pixel count. I don’t know how ‘in bed with’ Sony nikon really are. Maybe Sony wont let them to keep it’s own product line looking good value.
My point was that the D700 isn’t comparable to the 5D in anything other than price. One is a well built, pro grade camera, the other offers consumers the chance to produce huge files. The D700x that everyone seems to want will not be comparable either as it will still be a pro grade camera and will be priced much higher than the 5D.
People don’t really want a D700x, they want a 5D equivalent.
On the point of the D3s having only 720p video. Surely it will be the D3Xs that gets the honour of being the first 1080p Nikon.
I hope I’m wrong and a D700x appears at the D700 price point. But I doubt it.
I doubt a D700X would be at a D700 price either, it will probably be at least $1000 more and I still think worth it. I think people expectations of getting the D3X sensor at 5DMkII prices are unrealistic.
D3x sales = much less than expected by Nikon
Instead of decreasing the price dramatically – would be for Nikon as they would have lost another war – they launch D800. Very meaningful and likely.
I’d buy one – would be fantastic.
In the meantime I’m taking pictures using my Bentley F4/20-35, my super- smart D90/10-24, 16-85, 70-300 and Contax 645/80, 140, 45 Hartblei.
Nikon do need to reduce the price of the D3X, I think it’s premium price is counterproductive to them wanting to sell more units.
What’s your basis for saying that D3x sales are less than expected by Nikon?
Wish they’d hurry up!
I’m now itching to buy a new body, and my D200 is starting to fall apart (well the rubber grip is comig off anyway).
I NEED to spend money Nikon – give me what I want! (D700x/D800 – whetever youcall it)
Amen Daf!
I got a D200 which has been great to me but I want to go FX with my next DSLR. I think Nikon needs to go D700x/D800 with more megapixel leave out the video and keep the price under $3,000.
D700: 12M.P; Usable ISO: 6400; No MOVIE ; 1 CARD SLOT; 5PFS-8PFS( with Grips)
D800: 24M.P. Usable ISO: 1600-3200; MOVIE; DUAL CARD slot 3PFS- 5 PFS ( 5 PFS at 12.PFS or with grip full 24m.p.)
pls, if you have the money. JUST BUY A LEICA! would you bring all these monstrous cameras around?
I have money to spend – but not THAT much money! lol
Um I know this isn’t the right thread but can someone explain why canon is taking down all the 1dmk4 test samples on the net??? Are they trying to hide something? Are they doing some last minute adjustments to their noise reduction? Did the D3s scare them
. Very fishy, I don’t trust canon…
According to here :
http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2009/10/canon-usa-vs-canon-inc-dont-eat-your.html
It’s lots of Canon US vs Canon Inc sillyness
Yeah right….
Nikon roadmap again eh?
nikon won’t do 1080p because it’s too hot for us.
Who will make the D800 sensor? Will it be the Sony sensor again or a higher-resolution version of the D3s’ “tweaked”sensor? If the latter, it could be spectacular.
I don’t need those MP, other than that this is exactly what I’m waiting for. I’d happily pay $4000 for it, but it has to be released in the coming 3 months. It does sound to good to be true, but then hope is the last thing to leave a man
Little off topic, but is anyone else having problems with the RSS feed?
yup, my RSS is broken as well… has been for a couple of days.
Admin post on twitter feed says they hope it will be fixed by the weekend.
I’m happy that Nikon has turned things around and I love my D700; however, I would like Nikon to get somewhere in the middle with respect to megapixels. I do not want 24.5 MP… and I want more than 12 MP. The Canon 1D Mk IV is the perfect combination of EVERYTHING I want in camera body… if it were only full-frame. Now if Nikon would just make a FF body with all of the same specs as the Mk. IV, it would be perfect (for me).
The D3s video (720p) is a complete joke (IMO). The 5D Mk II has had 1080p for about a year now I believe. Why would anyone pay twice as much for less on the video end?! I completely expect the D800 to be 1080p or it will be a failure in the Nikon camp’s eyes. I just can’t see buying a camera body that doesn’t do 1080p video… well, I mean, spending $5K on one. My $300 point and shoot does 720p in and out of water. I’m just saying.
I agree I don’t have any idea why they are afraid to put a 1080p capability in their cameras. I this rate cell phones will have 1080p before Nikon.
i 4one would love those 24,5 raws!!!
and 1080p, 30fps plz
what a monster!
when we look back, at the incomming news about the d3s before its realese,then
it looks like nobody really konws whats happening uptil a month/3weeks b4 the announcement.
nobody really have a hotline inside nikon, neither nikonrumors nor thomhogan.(no offence).
nikon hold the carts close
looks like the most precise rumors starts when som photographers gets their hands on prototypes and the pass one the word.
everything is just speculation
lets hope for more posetive and konsistant news the comming dayes!
Just had to comment that the proper term is they hold their “cards” close. Its a reference to playing poker and not letting other players see your cards. I have a friend who always hears popular saying a little different than they are said and I always get a kick of how he heard it. For example he would often say he had to “drop trout” to get a deal done. It his version of “dropping your trousers” or “drop trou” as some people around him had used it.
On the other hand, if you simply made a typo, I apologize for this ramble.
hi adam
pardon my french
i will”drop trou
my spelling is not top noch
I predict firmware upgrade for the current D700 which will provide video to the current body, giving the D700 renewed life, and allowing for the continued sale of this awesome camera.
I have no inside information. I just think this would make the most sense.
There is no way firmware can make video hardware magically appear inside a camera…. the internet is not that powerful yet young grasshopper
I think the hardware is already there.
D700 was announced on July 1, 2008
D90 was announced on August 27, 2008
Nikon was developing both at the same time. D700 has live view. I would be surprised if there aren’t a few D700(s) floating around Nikon R&D where they at least tried to implement video.
And sound input via software update?
hmm… forgot about the sound. But, there are several USB microphones out there
Why would they spend all of this time and energy on something and give it away for free?
Not at all, they would be add it to sell more cameras.
here is the trend….
D3: normal dslr
D3s: normal dslr + video
D3x: better pixel dslr
D300: normal dslr
D300s: normal dslr + video
D700: normal dslr
whats next?
See where the trend is heading? dslr co-existing with video dslr.
Hmm true, but your list is not in chronological order.
Lets not forget that the D3x came almost a year before the D3s. So if we’re going to look at Nikon’s recent releases to predict future ones, maybe we shouldn’t assume that a D700 + video would be following the ‘trend’.
The Nikon D4 and D4x are coming next year, I’m not certain why people wouldn’t believe this. D4 is Q2 and D4x a Q4 release, likely a year from now. They almost like to wait for Canon to release their garbage so they can introduce a better system.
For those of you who are saying the 5D Mark II is a great camera you have likely never used it. That camera had to have been Canon’s worst mistake ever and I will tell you now they won’t make that mistake again.
1Ds sales dropped off the face of the earth and then the price of the 1Ds dropped by more than $1,000. A true professional is not going to care about having to pay $8,000 for a camera when it earns them a living and the number of sales that both Nikon and Canon get from their flagship models is still up there.
Just for the record, the D3/D3x owns a 63% market share with the 1D/1Ds right now. The 1D Mark IV is going to change that.
not if the d3s has anything to say about that!
“D4 is Q2 and D4x a Q4 release” …. Thanks for letting us know. While you’re at it, would you mind sharing the lottery numbers for this weekend
Your third paragraph makes little sense. Are you saying that 1DsMkIII sales were unaffected by the 5DMkII or that Canon should not have introduced the 5DMkII and instead should have given up all those sales in order to protect premium pricing of the 1DsMkIII?
I agree that the 1DMkIV is going to change the 63% that you quote, but not in the way that Canon hopes. In particular, I think Canon is going to be humiliated by the difference between the D3s and 1DMkIV at ISO 102,400. Canon should NEVER have put that into the 1DMkIV.
For me Video in DSLR is not really significant. If they can make DSLR to shoot still images while recording video at the same time using separate media storage then it will be awesome.
Rather than D700x, I prefer it to be called the more straightforward D800 to distinguish better from D700. A hi-res studio/landscape specific camera vs. hi-iso low light/all purpose quality camera. BTW, I don’t really mind whatever it will be called as long as it has got the 24mp ISO100-base sensor that yields clean files up to ISO 400, and usable ones up to ISO 1600. It may even be named D9731wjigh as well. I also don’t care the video, but the price matters! A good-quality 24-135mm VR as a kit lens would be appreciated much.
Seriously the amount of feedback (or postings) about the D700x/800 astounds me!
On the same serious note, I really doubt there would ever be an ’s’ or ‘x’ incarnation of the D700 or similar model range, I can only see it happen for the D3 or D4 etc.
On an appreciative note though, I know the D800 would be highly anticipated, especially with a higher MP count and the obvious noise expectation a lot of people stipulate about! I know I like the smaller size, but I expect a D4 release first, before the D800 would hit the market.
This rumor is candidate for the least believable rumor of the year and the born-dead rumor of the decade.
Video! … are Nikon going to start competing on the video front? To do that they need to have at least 30min record time, a high-quality, high-bitrate codec, much reduced rolling shutter artifacts and of course manual control. 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60 fps is necessary too. There are a lot of people out there like me who come to this site with little interest in stills, only to see if Nikon will make a real 5D mk2 killer on the video side.
It better be cheap enough like the 7D or else I am crossing over.
Why would a Nikon FF with 24.5mp and 7fps be “cheap like a 7D” which is a 1.6x crop camera? It could be double the price of the 7D, and still be better value.
Well spoken. I’d happily pay 2x the price of 7D for the D800.
What I was saying was the release of the 5D Mark II essentially made all 1Ds Mark III sales stop since all the canon Fans thought they could get a really good 21.1 megapixel camera for practically nothing. The camera though incorporates a nice fancy sensor with an autofocus system designed in the stone age.
To my knowledge Canon is working on a Canon 3D Camera which will have similar specs to the 1D Mark IV but it will be full frame. A 1Ds Mark IV with a 32 megapixel sensor is coming in February or March.
However, the canon poster above that thinks Canon owns the full frame market, you’d be dead wrong on that. Many statistics all over the place have shown Nikon making double digit gains in market share over the past 2-3 years. There are a few resources out there that show Nikon with a 63% market share in that segment.
Why is that, The D3x is way better than 1Ds and the D3 was better than the 1D Mark III, oh wait the D3s is also better than the 1D Mark IV. I’m confused why would you want to shoot canon now unless you’ve been sucked into buying all those lenses….
I run by chance with your post then clicked into B6H website searching for some prices. For example:
5D MK2……………………..2700$
D3x……………………………8000$
I don’t Know about statistics But anyone could imagine there’s a deep rift between them. I don’t think so. The greatest difference is in the price. If a lot Nikon users still loyal to the brand is because we have purchased along the years our Nikon equipment, otherwise Nikon actually wouldn’t sell so much cameras. But they have our neck grabbed I don’t know what kind of marketing it is, not very good I guess.
If you were a new professional who are thinking to buy a new camera, what would be your choice?
Well, the D3x competes against the 1DsIII so unless video is important. I don’t think there is much of a comparison especially given the 5DII’s weak AF system and less rigidity.
In any case, it’s sad that Nikon decided to charge $8000 for the D3X. Canon can now charge the same (or maybe more) for the 1DsIV.
I live in Japan and frequently visit a local camera shop that has a Nikon rep in-store. When I made a comment to him regarding the technology from the D3s being cascaded down to a D700s/x he made a rather curious comment indicating a D800 rather then the upgraded D700 I mentioned.
Sounds believable except for the 1080P video part. If Nikon was able to do Full HD, why leave it out of the D3s? I mean, a supposed 2 months gap between the D3s and the alleged D800 can’t realistically be a factor.
as long as it shoots 9 fps on fx with battery grip, i’m happy.
Would make my year if it would be released in 2009.
May be Nikon will develop an update of the D3s·s firmware to reach 1080p 30fps.
If anything on Nikon Remorse is to be believed this alleged new camera can do toast too. I mean really does this deserve a mention as a possibility? If a rumor about a 5DMk3 with 36MP with the AF of the 1dMk4 is comming out before the end of the year is posted to a Canon rumor site they would have laughed it off the park let alone giving it airspace.
Thought I’d post again with some more thoughts…I know that several shooters talk about not having “any” interest in video capabilities on a camera (to each their own) but there is a growing trend for video among wedding/senior portrait photographers…this growing trend towards candid video to accompany is at the clients request. And being able to offer video in addition to photos is another service that can bring in more money. If the picture quality is there in the camera (as Nikon has proven they can do very well) then the addition of HD video is all the more convenient – the feature certainly doesn’t take anything away from a camera “if” the camera can already take quality images.
I feel that the D3x is just too expensive for many shooters and the D3s doesn’t have the higher megapixel count of the D3x (if you desire that – and I do). I have a D700 (and a D300) and I would love to have a second FX camera for backup and shooting. And I’d love to have the additional capabilities of video in my camera as well since that is being offered. If I have a choice, I would not want to haul around both a camera and video-camera, too time consuming and bulky for some projects. So I do not see the D3s as being the next FX camera I would buy to solve my needs and desires.
But if Nikon were to come out with an FX camera that offered a higher megapixel sensor (and it doesn’t have to be 24.5mp – just as long as it is more than 12.1mp) that also has 1080HD…then I’d definitely buy that camera as my second FX camera. And it would actually become my No.1 FX camera and the D700 would take a backseat as the backup/secondary camera. I think Nikon has a void along these lines that needs to be filled and that several shooters would jump on in droves regardless of what Canon does or Canon’s prices. I’ve already invested in Nikon’s best lenses and I’m not going to jump brands just because Canon may do something first. Nikon will certainly bring out a camera along these lines soon enough…and perhaps it will be a D800 (or some other name).
Ok first off, comparing the 5D Mark II to the D3x is just not a fair comparison since the 5D Mark II really can’t even come close to the D3x in any single category. Having just recently bought my D3x and selling off a 1Ds Mark III and 5D Mark II I can tell you first hand the D3x is by far superior to both the 1Ds and 5D. The autofocus and image quality on the 5D is just horrible compared to the 1Ds and that is why it’s cheap. The 1Ds Mark III still out performs the 5D even though they have identical sensors, you find that odd?
Now a true professional photograher, such as myself, that earns a living working as a photographer has no issue whatsoever paying $8,000-$10,000 for a camera since generally we only buy a new camera body every 2-3 years. It is part of doing business and something we factor into our prices. I mean it’s not uncommon for a professional photographer to be making $100,000+ a year if they know what they are doing.
This is simply why neither Nikon or Canon will ever make a professional level camera for nothing.
Any professional photographer would be wise to not go cheap on the body since it’s a tool that you’ll use day in and day out. You expect to get the most out of it and if one camera gives you a clear cut advantage and provides better flexibility and image quality you’ll take it just to provide that to your cliental to grow your business.
If canon was really smart they would have made the 5D Mark II a 18 megapixel camera with the 1D Mark IV sensor and provided some improved AF. As it is right now, the 5D Mark II in my opinion is one of the worst cameras they’ve ever introduced. The original 5D Mark I has some of the best image quality amongst all Canon cameras.
Now read this.
FACT: The vast majority of people wanting large megapixel cameras have no need whatsoever for them. FYI you can make 24″x32″ prints off a 12 megapixel camera fairly easily. Why would a non-pro need anything more?
Ask yourself, why do you want or think you need 24.5 megapixels, or 32 or whatever. I mean I am a professional and I don’t even need the 24.5 for 95% of the work I do. I’m buying a D3s to do the majority of my work with as it provides greater flexibility. I can safely shoot at ISO 1600 and 3200 on the D3x without having any major noise issues either.
Overall I don’t know why anybody would knock Nikon gear when it’s vastly superior to Canon. It’s not just the camera bodies either, Nikon lenses are better and the flash system that canon uses is just horrible in comparison to Canon.
Amen.
D800 may be a last chance for Nikon to catch the train. Most of my colleagues (including some previous Nikon owners of D70, D200 or D300 & naturally 20D or 5D users) have already got a Canon 5D II, and they haven’t seen any issues so far, neither autofocus, image quality nor weather related problems.
Considering today’s technology, D300 is the dead-end of DX (or maybe a 16mp D400 with a stretch). D700 is still another 12mp, and its so-so advantages being an FX does not justify the switch (in my branch). While D3x is too expensive & bulky.
I’ll wait for a D800 (with or without video doesn’t matter) till the new year’s eve.
Spoke to my Nikon contact in the camera shop in Japan again today. Definitely hinting towards a D800 that would coexist along with the D700. 16-18MP, no more. No word of movie or other functions. Won’t be released by the end of the year, more like early next year.
18mp may be a sweet-spot for FX regarding noise issues & corner unsharpness. If correct, by this way Nikon may be aiming to please both camps in contradicting needs with a single camera. Leica M9 has got 18mp too.
As pixel-count it’s arguably ok for FX, but a disappointment for DX crop for tele usage. For landscapes, I’d rather prefer max. available (24mp) accepting less high-ISO capabilities (still one stop better than D300).
Again, a good-quality compact 24-135mm VR or 28-200mm VR would be highly appreciated as a walkabout lens, since the existing 24-120mm is not adequate.
There will be a D800 that pushes 16 megapixels and it’s going to have a D4 sensors with fewer options but it’s still going to be in that $2,700 range. I don’t get how you are talking about missing the train.
The 5D Mark II is not a good camera. I don’t really care what anybody says about it. Canons marketing technique is this and this is seriously how it works for canon.
Canon: Lets pump out Cameras with ridiculous amount of megapixels that people really don’t need. The megapixels will sell themselves even though the Camera IQ is not so great.
Nikon: Lets focus on image quality while gradually increasing megaixels because image quality is more important.
If you look at all the cameras out there for some reason Nikon cameras all rank amongst the highest in IQ. I don’t get why you all think the 5D Mark II is so great. It had to be one of the worst cameras I ever owned. Besides having a huge sensor the rest of the camera was a piece of crap.
Kevin,
I agree that most likely Nikon will keep the new model at about $2800 and by going to a MP number around 16ish, then it has a tech spec that separates it from from the D700 at 12MP and the D3x at 24.5MP.
I hope Nikon keeps the D700 and drop it a few pennies under $2000.
Hey Kevin: You don’t seem to know what are you talking about. Mpix are Mpx. Canon and Nikon are great cameras well built. The only difference is That canon’s are a little more heavier and the price a lot lighter.
It’s likely you didn’t get used to the camera but the photographers are not insane and they have bought a lot of Canon cameras and no one have told me that they were a “crap”, on the contrary the are quite satisfied with them.If you don’t believe me, have a look to the equipments that they use on press , sports, etc.. I own of a D-200 not bad camera but stinks old and I’m still waiting for an affordable replacement and I’m really upset with the treatment that Nikon company is giving to us; their silences, their leaking and reluctant improvements . Canon, at least, is continuously updating the features of his models. That’s a good marketing.
I was recently on Mark Watsons Website http://www.inciteimages.com/ and saw something very interesting. Check out his self portrait image on the far left in the about us tab… doesn’t look like any nikon body i’ve seen yet.
this is the Nikon D1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D1X#D1H_and_D1X
:O
!!!!
/Excitement!!!
oooha
its soon christmas, nikon have to deliver somthing 2 the nikonkids.
i would rather have a new sweater from mom, than another s-model.
mabye som will stop beliving in santa.
i really hope this D800 is true, i really need a full frame with higher mp for studio work. If it doesnt show up early 2010, i will sell all my nikon to fund 5d mk II or used 1Ds Mk III. And, personally, Nikon doesnt make any big impression on their D300s (i found it – Absolutely Stupid – got it butt kicked after a week of annoucement by 7D), and D3s (have no one here notice that Nikon dont have a idea on how to make new sensors? – 100k plus iso is meaningless if it cant produce nice clean clear sharp image at 6400iso). I dont know about you, but my D300 and D90, they never know what is 3200iso is due to it stupid noise and 100 more flaw).
Please Nikon, granted me a full frame with 20+ mp, 5 fps is all i asking for, with D700 focus, and the rest, beat 5DmkII ass, I wont be asking it for free even if i still have another 2 more wish, i will buy it, using my hard earn money, just as long as you sell it not far from 5DmkII,otherwise, i might have to say Canon Here I Come!and oh, please come soon..very soon..sooner than New Year.
Good then go start shooting Nikon, you’ll be back in a year or less. Something wierd to consider.
An avid Canon photographer picks up a Nikon and starts shooting and for some reason the comments are almost always positive.
Nikon photograhers picks up a canon and quite often we are left scratching our heads.
Megapixels are not megapixels. Just because a camera has 21 megapixels doesn’t mean the image quality is the same or better as another 21 megapixel camera. In canon’s instance the 1Ds Mark III blows the 5D Mark II away. It’s something that did shock me but my 1Ds Mark III would consistently have better images in a working environment.
Once again just about nobody requires a 20mp+ camera. I only do a handful of photos that require it and mainly for commercial work. Nikon doesn’t focus on megapixels and I don’t think they ever will. They are too smart for that. Image quality over image size is the way to go.
wow,i saw a nikongrapher not photographer.Your loyalty is great, too bad, you should channel it in multilevel marketing like avon instead of camera.Congratulation, nikon will repay you, with a free D3X or for consolation price 200mm f2.8..or maybe D800 a 24mp dslr for you to buy at a price higher than 5DmkII.Go nikon!
I found out 10mp D200 is not as good as 10mp 40D. Smart?Try print a billboard size image using your D700, place the billboard next to one shoot with Hassee, wow, mp does help!
Image in 1ds and 5dmkII, not so much different, the different is the body packages.
good luck with your commercial job!
Are you sure that you have a Canon camera? Try to rub in the front of the viewfinder where the brand is engaved. It´s likely you have been sold a Kodak Instamatic faked. My clients all use Photoshop. and A. Lightroom. And the frist thing they do after the first view with my pictures is using the zoom tool. The old song said. Quantity is not quality, but it´s the glory… You know what I mean.
24mp sony alpha 900 + 4 pristine 2nd hand minolta lenses = £2000
thankyouverymuch.
Not that bad, good stuff. I tried one and the cualyty was good. Shrpness and good color reproduction.
So now that Canon Rumors is reporting 1Ds4 to be “32 or 38 megapixels” – Is Nikon going to wait for that to release a 24.5mp D800? We are always going to have to stick to the “mega pixels don’t matter” argument. And before anyone says “anything over 30 megapixels is unnecessary.” To see double resolution, you have to multiply by 4. Because we look at resolution in a linear way. So to see double 8mp, you would have to step right up to 32mp. And 8mp is only double from 2mp. So keep that in mind. All these incremental improvements from 12 to 16mp etc, you would not notice.