Hot Nikon news that might have lots of Canon gear going cheap (Nikon D700x)
Christian Fletcher is a well known professional photographer from Western Australia and has been a Canon fan for many years – his camera is a Canon 5D MKII. He shoots mainly landscape / panorama. This is what he wrote on his blog a week ago (direct post link):
Note that his post is labeled with the “Nikon D700x”, “New Nikon camera release” and “Nikon Rumours” tags.
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- Google found Nikon D700x, D800 entries on nikonusa.com
- This may be the Nikon D700x sensor
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And I just got the 10-24 DX too… Blah.
A cheap full frame (<$2k) would be great, D90 quality level for D300 price would be fine.
Well, I guess the 10-24 DX is really only a bad purchase if they make it’s equivalent in FX terms as well, no? They’d need to make a pro-grade 16-35mm f/4 (FX) for me to start getting interested in FX for landscape photography. Just my personal opinion and preference of course.
And BTW, if it’s the D3X sensor we’re hoping it is, chances are it won’t be <$2000. Unfortnately…
=Matt=
totally agree with you on the 16-35 range for fx and price range on a potential 700x.
They make a 17-35 f2.8 lens – have for years.
Fully “FX” (and 35mm) compatible
but unfortunately it’s quite soft other than the center, even at f/4. And they proofed that they can do much better with the 14-24mm. Though I also hope for a 16-35mm f/4.
Not sure how it would matter if it is soft in the corners at f/2.8 or 4. I certainly don’t shoot landscapes wide/near wide open.
@Chrissy: Mainly for indoor photography in available light.
True. Though any available light shots where I need maximum sharpness in the corners (and overall for that matter) I would use a tripod.
I hope you do not take offense to this as I am not trying to argue so much as talk about gear as I am bored atm.
hahaha, no offense taken, mate. Tripods, more often monopods are an option. But if you have to move through a reception or banquet, this might be critical.
I’m not a corner sharpness fetishist, but even with a 24mm at 2.8, the depth of field isn’t that sallow, unless you’re focusing distance is really short.
For example, I don’t mind the 85mm f/1.4 being soft at the corners at 1.4, because the everything else but the main subject disappears in a creamy bokeh, therefor shaprness doesn’t matter all that much.
You guys are puzzled over nothing!
There’s this AWESOME 14-24 ƒ/2.8 that is the widest wide angle zoom for DSLR and also the sharpest, even wide open.
the 14-24 is one of the reason I wanna stick with Nikon once I upgrade to FX with (hopefully) the D700x or D700s!
14-24 is gonna be my main lens.
No one said that it isn’t a great lens. but some, including me, prefer a range of the older 17-35mm over the 14-24mm.
And the point is that the old 17-35mm isn’t as sharp as the 14-24mm.
Yes, that’s true.. the 14-24′s range is a bit short… personally I don’t really mind for the 35mm… but I wish it was a 14-28mm.
I’m probably going to get the 14-24 + sigma 28mm ƒ/1.8… I need a fast wide angle anyway.
Right now I use the 20mm ƒ/1.8 and I love it… but I would find it redundant to keep it with the 14-24.
Unless I skip the 14-24 and keep my tokina 11-16 and use it at 15mm on FX… but then I’d still want that 14mm and a 24mm equivalent.. and the 28… so I’d be better with the 14-24.
Even 17-35/f4 high image quality, low vignetting would be nice. I have now the 14-24/2.8 – exceptional but rather overwhelming for everyday use.
Nikon makes an ok 14/2.8 and the Tokina 11-16 looks great on film at 16mm. Haven’t slapped it on a D3x yet, but I expect good things.
Is it now official that we are really getting the D700x can anyone confirm this ?
How did you determine this was in any way “official”?? If it was why would you need it confirmed?
It was two questions w/ one question mark. Think you misunderstood. He said, “Is it…” not “It is.”
Digital Medium Format? D3X + Hasselblad?
Nikon is not getting into medium format anytime soon I guess, where are the lenses for instance? First they need to get their act together in FX (lenses)
amen
Wanna vomit?
At this point I’m more interested in new lenses coming out. Hopefully they announce some along with what appears to be the inevitable D700x.
I can only cross my fingers and hope for the best. The d300s’s video is no better than the D90, I understand it’s just as crippled but with a few extra features, non of which give you aperture, shutter or ISO control . Not to mention the problem with Nikon’s blue channel for video that requires a software fix called the “stair step fix” for a cleaner file in terms of pro usuage.
With the new Canon 7d, I was debating jumping ship but I have too much invested in Nikon glass (which I feel is superior to Canon’s glass) – so I am patiently waiting, and waiting and waiting… crossing my figures but also realizing Canon just might always have the upper edge when it comes to the video/DLSR hybrid as they already produce a very successful line of dedicated video camers as well as manufacture their own sensors.
-Aaron
Hey Aaron – if you can’t wait for Nikon to bring out something with decent video just jump in and get a Canon – you can still use all your Nikon lenses – er…except the G series. Got to manual focus etc – but you pretty much have to do that anyway shooting decent footage on the DSLR – so Nikon, Canon lenses – whatever! I bought a 5d2 a few months ago and run it alongside the D700 – shots heaps of commercial video with it already – paid for itself while I would have been waiting for the ‘perfect’ solution.
Why not get a GH1 instead? A small second system never hurt. Especially since it does really good video, and will take Nikon lenses easily.
If video is critical for you, I would hold my breath a bit longer, stick with Nikon, and wait until Sony is ready to implement video into their DSLRs. My feeling is, whenever they will release a SLR with video, it will be by far the best available. They just have too good a reputation, to put something like the D90 video out there.
Can anyone point to stair stepping artifacts in the D300s footage – I don’t see any from my body.
As for manual controls – it’s still not where I’d like it, but you’re partially incorrect in saying that none of the controls give you aperture, shutter or ISO control. In M and A mode (manual and aperture priority) you can set your aperture to anything between wide open and f/16, and the D300s will honor that aperture, then adjust the shutter speed/sensitivity likewise. Not perfect, but definitely an improvement over the full-auto crap-shoot of the D90.
Are there enough reasons to sell the D90 and spend an extra 1k on the D300s? Probably not. But as far as new purchases go, I’m really glad I got the 300s instead of the 90.
The video on all the latest VSLR bodies has issues, no doubt. But I’ve seen enough to know that it can look really nice with care.
I agree. I’ve seen some really nice footage from the D300s, far surpassing anything from the D90.
Same.
Have you seen the images from the 7D on DPreview? I was a bit excited until I saw them. Flat soft, totally uninspiring imho.
weird. yesterday my friend from very big non gray nikon shops was saying something similar. He said FX with more then 12Mpix will “replace” D700 while cheaper FX with D700 sensor will eventually come too.
True or not, that sounds like the most likely path. With the Sony A850 coming, the pressure is on both Nikon and Canon to get below $2000 asap with a full-frame sensor. Of course you can always pick up a Canon 5D mk1 for well under $2000, but that camera is practically ancient, the sensor alone is what makes it desirable.
Anyways, I’d definitely expect to see Nikon do both- More affordable 24 megapixels, and more affordable 12 megapixels. (More affordable than the D3X and D700, respectively, is what I mean…)
=Matt=
Maybe Nikon is dropping the high-end DX line (Dx00) in favor of FX at under 2,000USD. That would be quite surpising, maybe they’ll keep keep both.
I’d be quite suprised if Nikon did that, but, well, Nikon surprised everybody with D3, so why not again?
no way nikon would drop pro DX line. It is way too useful for many cases.
Not to mention how doubtful that sounds right after the D300s release…
Interesting theory.
Nikon could always release a D600. A D700 sensor in a cheaper body…
I would love the D700x to be 18mp instead of 24.
Wow, would have to be some medium format insanity for him to say he’s ditching Canon, after all the D3x has been around for a while so if he wanted the sensor that badly he could have switched already.
How much do we think an ‘M1′ body would cost? Surely not a nickel less than $10k.
What is M1? Do you mean Hasselblad H1?
I am leaving nikon, going to canon.. buh bye pals! here comes my new ship!
Ok, have fun. See you next year when ur back.
To paraphrase a great A Man for All Seasons quote:
Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for the Canon 7D?
I am going to say bye bye to nikon, bye pals! sayonara!
I thought you were leaving.
He’ll be back again when Nikon releases something new.
If the D700x has 1080p video @24/24/30fps he will be very sorry.
uh oh!!!!
Very comforting news indeed, especially coming from landscape photographer who is also a Canon flag waver. All the doom lately of D700s talk or no D700x at all made me pessimistic, but reading this gives me a spark of optimism that Nikon will not neglect us landscape photographers.
He’s talking about the new SB700 with built in projector and 397×121 video at 13fps.
lol’d all over myself
Haha lol.
Bravely spoken!
I hope something FXish that can compete wiith the 5D MkII is comming…some full hd video mode and some more megapixels… already thinking for a while of switching to canon but it’s still a question of the nikon lenses i already have… damn those different mounting systems…
Same as you!~ lol, but I don’t like 5d2 without wireless transmit . 7D 1st canon camera got their wireless flash transmit.. I’m thinking to get 5D2 for a while too but now 7D got 60fps video and I just forget the 5d2 with only 30fps, sooner it will be outdated. We pray together nikon can introduce something special to compete with
canon.
I for one don’t see any reason to ‘upgrade.’ My D700 is an amazing camera, the high iso performance is great and more megapixels is not worth the cost/noise.
Oh… and CMOS video? Thank, but no thanks. Get your rolling shutter figured out and then we’ll talk.
How can you say that without knowing the difference in cost?
I do agree with your sentiment, though. We should be out taking pictures, not posting dreams on a rumor blog. Unless we can’t be out taking pictures–then this is fine.
What does cost have to do with anything?
Even if it costs $2k, it’ll still have too much noise at iso 3200 and it’ll still shoot crappy video. No thanks.. my D700 takes photos that are plenty big and clean enough and it’s paid for.
I’m going to go buy a new Canon SX20 tomorrow so I can have video that is worth watching and a 28-490 something telezoom.
Sorry, Chad. I thought you were saying that the added cost of higher resolution didn’t make sense for anybody–I misread your post and see now that you’re talking about you and anyone who’s upgrading from a D700.
For someone considering either the D700 or its eventual replacement, that decision can’t be made before knowing the cost of the replacement. That’s all I was saying.
PS I never thought I’d see the day when someone was calling their D700 pictures just “clean enough.”
I own a D90, my next body is going to have a full frame sensor. I agree that the D700 is a great camera. I want one. I hope that what ever comes out is going to but a big dent in the used prices for the D700. If so, I will pick one up.
We’ll see. I’ll believe it when I see a Nikon press release.
Will it have a “Direct Print” button? Just kidding, sorry to extend this joke to this forum. But seriously, with Sony and Canon having dual processors now, I wonder a 24.5mp FF camera can’t have resolution AND speed, if Nikon was to incorporate that also. In comparison to the 7D, a 24.5mp FF sensor is not that dense with pixels at all. A FF would have to be around 46mp, to be as dense as an APS-C sensor at 18mp. But this camera needs to happen yesterday! Make it 24.5mp, with the speed of the 7D, make it perform better than the GH1 AND 7D for video.
Don’t get your hopes too high guys or you will be disappointed.
If a D700x is coming with the D3X sensor, hopefully Nikon will update or replace the 17-35mm f/2.8 lens with a newer design and one which will accept filters also. As great as the 14-24mm is, it’s not of much use to us landscape photographers that use ND grads for our shots.
Yes indeed, that is exactly the lens update I’m waiting for. Just got a D700 and I’d like a good wide angle lens that can take filters.
The 17-35mm/f2.8 is already a classic lens… lives on my F6 body most of the time… I’m using filters all the time with it and don’t really see any issues? A 77mm ring adaptor and some Lee filters seem to work well…
Grad filters were all there was when shooting chromes – we had to use them. The D700 has rich options for easy bracketing, allowing perfect highlight exposure to be combined with perfect exposure of the rest of the scene. Combining them seamlessly is elementary and far superior to trying to hide the transition with filters. Often this does not even need a bracket, with the flexibility of 14-bit RAW, deriving both dynamic ranges from a single exposure.
Yeah, I just did my first combined sunset landscape in Photoshop from a bracketed -1/+1 exposure(in jpeg). Looks great. I can imagine doing the same but each shot taken in 14-bits raw format — the underexposed additionally post-processed for the shadows and the overexposed for the highlights before combining them. Hmm, I am going to try this today..
Below is part of Christian Fletcher’s Blog on Aug 28, 2009. He say’s Canon’s 7D is on the way out (which he hints before Canon’s press release on Sept 1 2009). He knows more but is sworn the secrecy. He then say’s he thinks Nikons announcement will be more exciting. So there we have it. Nikon will be releasing something probably better/more exciting than the 7D. We can only speculate presently but it must be the D700x and will it be DX or FX. The 7D (DX) is going to retail at US$1699. Nikons announcement will probably be more expensive (given the price of the D300s) but will also probably offer much more too.
CF’s blog below:
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haha funny posts fellas, Yeah this is all just a publicity stunt!! I wanted more hits on my blog!!!
Actually that is a lie, I’m deadly serious, notice the word DEADLY in that sentence! I will cough all over Canon if they don’t play ball, Nikon too for that matter. Swine flu is a lethal weapon and should only be used for good not evil. Were is that Tommy Putt guy need to cough on him.
Muzz the new Canon is on the way out, what I know is it is called the 7D. I know more but have been sworn to secrecy as I am still a Canon stooge!!!
Nikons announcement will be more exciting I think.
Christian said this on August 28, 2009 at 4:54 am | Reply
Could it be that Nikon would make a DX/FX video-only camera. That way video-graphers would have the wanted shallow depth of field, much much better controls and “monster” size photo sites on the sensor due to the low resolution requirement compared with still shots. The live-view and lens control system could also be much better optimized for this task without any still-picture distractions. Even a dedicated zebra-stibe button, rec.mode res. button etc. (if needed). Also Nikon could hit Canon-camcorders hard without competing with themselves unlike if Canon did the same thing.
And most importantly (for me) we could have still cameras that does not get more and more “record/stop” and video editing features to distract us from working with still pictures – something that I fear (not said I’m 100% agains video) will become just “more and more” and ruin the unique handling experience of Nikon cameras. Note also that video-recording-capability is not allowed for some occations (e.g. concerts) whereas still cameras are ok…
It will be the D400:
Focus online writes:
Einige Hersteller setzen sogar auf Full-HD-Videos: Sowohl die Canon 500 D als auch Nikons D400 bringen eine Filmauflösung von 1920 x 1080 Pixeln mit.
translated:
Some vendors focus on full hd videos: as well as Canon 500d as Nikons D400 will have a resolution of 1920*1080 pixels.
http://www.focus.de/digital/foto/tid-15316/digitalkamera-trends-trend-5-spiegelreflexkameras-mit-hd-videos_aid_431285.html
I don’t believe focus.de is a reliable source as far as photography hardware is concerned.
I don’t believe that Focus is a reliable source for anything…
But frankly, even though I don’t consider Focus as a reliable source, it is interesting. I wonder what we’ll see at the IFA!
But a D400 would CRAZY! Well Nikon manages it to easily paste 6 moths between announcement and shipping, even though it wasn’t the recent trend.
“My favorite comment so far on CF’s blog:
I wonder if the white coats are reading this blog? The same white coats that sat in a dark room at Nikon and listened to the sound their shutters made, and adjusted them until they all got goosebumps…the sweet, soulful sound of a nikon shutter.
At canon, someone bent over thier grandmother and slapped them on the arse with a plastic wooden spoon, and everyone thought, ‘hey, that sounds like a Canon shutter…should we fix it?
Nah, let’s continue with the old plastic theme.’ ”
Hilarious.
thx for posting here, saves me some time looking for the good jokes
That’s great and so true.
Maybe Nikon has actually made a camera that will steal the soul of whomever you photograph, not just the Aborigines.
+1 for random creativity!
Can’t keep my fingers still – Give me the D700x!!!!=)
As usual all the speculation is about a new 700x. Perhaps we are going to get a D600, same sensor as a D700 in a lighter less well built body and a D800, 24.5 Mp sensor in the current D700 body. On the other hand it might not be a new camera at all, it might be new lenses, say some wide angle wide aperture primes or, my particular wish, 28-85 and 80-200 compact f4 zooms for my D700.
And it might be a magic pony…
Seriously, folk, there is not much to this rumor, is there?
I somehow doubt its a lens as Nikon pretty much has lenses sewn up. They can throw in some new primes but even if they delivered every lens on everyone’s wish list, I cant think of a reason a decades long Canon shooter with a full bag of lenses is going to think people will be switching in droves. Same goes for a flash.
Can’t see it being a video back either. That would cause a lot of people to flock to Nikon, but not just Canon users.
So it is probably a body and given that this is a high end shooter I suspect it is a pricey one rather than a cheaper end model. It is pretty obvious that if Nikon introduces a cheap 24MP FX then Canon can respond by dropping its own prices. And in any case, camera companies loan out big name photographers cameras to test, they don’t tell them the prices, can’t in fact as they won’t be known at that point.
I would suggest that it is not a D700x at all and that it is instead the D4. I know that the D3x has not been out very long, but it clearly wasn’t the camera Nikon hoped to make. They missed the ISO stop number for a start. The D3x was a camera for people who really really needed 24MP for magazine type work. They had to have something to compete with Canon, but I would bet that they have spent more in advertising placements with the D3x in it than they have made in revenue from it. It is a halo model.
I can’t see a medium format camera either. It will be much easier to do 50MP in the FX format than to build a whole new format at this point. And 50MP is the key resolution for Vogue and Vanity Fair and the other big glossy fashion mags.
The only think I would see justifying this billing is a D4. All they have to do is to make it a little faster than the D3x and get to ISO 3200 to have a great camera. If they can get up to ISO 6400 or better at 24MP then its a whole new game.
A D700s is a no-brainer regardless of whether there is a D700x or not. But I really think that the D3x is a one-off camera built around a sensor that never quite got to where they hoped and will be made obsolete before they get to take it down the range.
Rofl at the fanbois grabbing for straws.
Considering the developments of the past two weeks, Nikon had better let a few rumors leak out, true or not.
The Nikon M1 50mp MX camera ape-ing Leica’s S2 MF in an SLR concept with video technology derived from RED (in exchange for the lenses) for 12,000USD
And they will announce it BIG, rofl
I’m first on line for my Blues Traveler tickets! I missed it the first time, I can’t wait to catch them again, I hear they are B-I-G! Nikon B-I-G!
I’m a fan for a long time of Nikon, but nikon need to do something, the d300s ddin’t bring anything new, for me nikon should recover all of the and getting her better to compete with the 7D, the price of this one is very cool, and all that fuctions in video, the images with high iso are cool,
Nikon please with the d700x break the market with a great price and great new technology.
D300s is a professional DX format camera with perfect control layout. It has unbeaten AF speed and accuracy, that you can’t find in any other crop sensor camera, from any brand, Canon included. Whine all you want, that’s the real value of the D300.
although I am jealous of the statement: 8fps in 14-bit mode, though 14-bit 18MP photos will be huge in memory size, where is my 64 100MB/s card?
Exactly. The 7D finally brings Canon closer to the autofocus, flash control, and metering that Nikon has concentrated more on over the years. And 12MP is plenty for almost everything.
Nikon knows there are people out there how _love_ high ISO performance and prefer it over high megapixel numbers. Maybe we’ll get a new D700x (24MP) and a sort of videofied D700s with 12MP that will be based on the existing D700.
There is a dutch photographer who is also active on dpreview who was trying out the new 70-200 at a large festival here in Holland last Sunday, he said there will be no D700x with 24MP sensor but with an other one. I really hope he is wrong because I want to have a D700 with 24MP sensor
If you have any news on the new 70-200 please don’t hesitate to post – a few of us are very interested in that – even more than the latest bodies!
I guess we’ll have to face that DSLR’s are like PC’s – after 18months there’s something out with way more features, megapixels, fps, video and low iso etc. and one month Nikon will have the latest and greatest the next month it will be Canon – or even Sony – wait a few months and “your” brand will have the same…. Buy something that feels nice in the hand and makes you a happy shooter
My PC was outdated the day it was first released
, so there you have it, PC’s suck more than DSLR
I only noticed that it is new model because there was a N on it, I did not know it was a 70-200 in first place. When I asked about the lens he only mentioned that it was a new lens not for sale yet and that it will be from december or january in Holland. It was here in Arnhem during living statue festival, it is large festival. He was using the lens on a d3.
Thanks! At least it’s in the “wild” now
Fankly, I would be fine with a fast 18mp FX DX00. Low noise, very decent resolution, and it would be a lot cheaper than a 24mp D700x, because it wouldn’t compromise the D3x.
While 24mp are very nice, the use of it is rather limited. Sure it’s stunning, but 50 or 100mp would even be more stunning… And I don’t understand all those people that claim “I NEED a 24mp d700x!”. Why didn’t you get a D3x yesterday?Or a Hasselblad the day before? Too expensive? Well, in this case you might not NEED such a camera as much as you think, or rather want to believe.
+1
Brilliantly said. If one truly “needs” it to generate income then the cost of 24 mp is earned back quickly. Just like medium format. Other than that, 24 mp is the latest “gotta have it” item than few can afford and therefore people complain about the price. If you can’t afford a Porsche don’t complain about the price. Go look at a WRX STI instead.
I think he’s right….Nikon learned from Canon’s mistake. They killed the market for the 1Ds.
What does the 1Ds have over the 5DMk2?
-Pro AF(I say chuckling, as I used to have the 1DMk3…it creates gorgeous images…when they’re in focus)
-Dual card slots
-Slightly faster frame rate
-weathersealing
-More than twice the price
-No video
I’ve seen a lot of pappaz using the 5D now, esp. since it has video…..in the spring the 1DMkIV will come out and it’s going to be full frame I’m betting, with video, and there won’t be a 1Ds, unless it has 40mp…..
Nikon will probably release a 12mp D700s with video for under $2k, perhaps at PMA, but after a new non-pro body FX body comes out….I’m wondering if Nikon has something up their sleeves to release a 24mp body at 3/4 fps, ISO 25,600, or you can cut it down to 12-16mp and shoot ISO 128,600 at 6/8 fps….
The 5D2 is NOWHERE near 1Ds3.
But the D700 was a direct D3 KILLER.
And Nikon is paying a HUGE price for that mistake. Just look at their financial reports. Canon’s profits may have dropped, but at the very least, they are not in the red.
Don’t know about that. I think there are a LOT of D700 owners that would be D300 owners if the D700 didn’t exist. Not everyone was willing to make the jump from the D300 level to the D3 level. Besides, the D700 @ that price point was a necessity. They needed to match the mkII’s price. The fact that the D700 was out first at a cheaper-than-D3 pricepoint is moot, I feel. The price was going to be dipping into that area regardless.
As for the financials, one can’t expect a camera company to be drowning in money during a huge recession. And keep in mind, Canon is a HUGE company with a myriad of products. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Nikon is nowhere as diverse as Canon.
STJ, totally agreed, digital cameras are marketed like consumer electronics and they are. having 18 months lifecycles. everyone knows but nikon doesn’t have the capacities and skills in this industry. and at the end of the day, they don’t even listen to their customers. and regarding M1: according to a market survey, the Global potential for such MF camera is 7.000 units (Globally!). A highly competitive market for cameras needing glass providing resolution which cannot even provided by Leice not considering someone else. That’s why I still love my Bentley F4, Contax 645 and Zeiss lenses. Quality, consistency and continuity is the key.
I do not agree completely. Nikon has competition for mainly Canon and Sony. They have managed to position them well in their market space – especially with the D300 and D700 with fast AF, solid bodies and low light features that many photographerss wanted/wants. I think the D300s is a decent upgrade. Then suddenly the expensive D3X arrives and everyone cannot live without 24mpix and wants it in a D700body for less than 3000$. And then comes the Canon 7d – and now many wants video. My bet is that Nikon doesn’t have the experiense in Video to make anyting equal to the 7d right now; maybe in a year? However they just could make that 700X without it and make several people happy….
I think that would be the smarter choice, releasing a D700X without video and get something to market that will appease photographers that are looking for more resolution for their style of photography, whether that be landscape photographers, studio photographers such as fashion or product shots or similar. There is a market their for high resolution digital cameras, if there weren’t we wouldn’t see medium or large format users in either medium.
DSLRs are predominantly still shot products, at least in my opinion should be, I’m sorry but video should be an afterthought on these cameras, not the prime focus. it seems like video is becoming just as or more important than the stills. I would hate to see the prime purpose of these cameras suffer becuase a new gimmick has come into play that everyone thinks needs to be superb. No one cared about video in DSLRs until just about a year ago. D700 was awesome when it came out, now because it doesn’t have video people want to switch to canon. Boggles my mind… Maybe i’m coming from a different, but i believe probably 90% of “photographers” will use their DSLRs for photos. They may try the video mode a couple times, then go back to what they have been doing for years. Taking stills. Just keep in mind we probably don’t have many new/update lenses because video is now taking up the development resources right now. I’d rather see lenses.
Even though i couldn’t care a single bit less about video mode, I think you guys have to give nikon more credit than you are. They were the first to have video in a DSLR, but they have no experience with video recording whatsoever before that. However, canon has been making camcorders (plus HD models) for quite some time, consumer and pro. There is definitely some of that technology ported over from camcorder software to the DSLR software. Give Canon a big advantage in that respect. No, Camcorders are not dslrs, but it’s still a sensor, still a lens and still a video, so there must be some similarities. I give nikon props for releasing that feature first. Maybe they aren’t as good at it, yet, but they were first.
yeah, Im with you all regarding the video issue, I prefer they concentrate more on cameras then video, but sadly the recent splurge of Videographer using DSLR wants it to be like a videocamera replacement
I’m guessing its the video camera manufacturer are to be blamed, if they released a cheaper video camera that is able to switch lenses, I bet you wont see as many videographer using DSLRs to record video these days. Part of the, I want 24 fps, 25 fps, full manual controls are all cause of videographers, consumers wont even know what is 24fps, 25fps, manual control in videos and such. They just want to click the big red button and start recording.
Adam, thank you for bringing that up. It’s true, amateur film-makers are now all over these DSLR’s for their video functionality because there is a lack of competition in the camcorder market. Believe it or not, the 7D is now probably the best option available to film-makers underneath the RED One ($17,500).
It’s weird that things turned out this way and I can definitely understand the frustration of some photographers out there. Let’s all hope that camcorder manufactures begin developing serious tools so that film-makers don’t have to rely on DSLRs…
yeah, I guess what the cinematographers should push is for the camcorder manufactures to release a cheaper able-to-change lens camcorder rather then pushing DSLR into a camcorder :rolleyes:
Agree 100% with you Adam – let Nikon make a video-only camera… (see my post higher up..)
Well Adam, they’ve been doing that for years with no success. The only reason they’ve gotten what they want from a DSLR is because they have large sensors & an interchangeable lens system already in place…
DUN DUN DUN!
Perhaps the new camera will turn out to be based on a D700 with a full frame Fuji EXR sensor. That would ruffle a few feathers.
I don’t believe so, but the thought is absolutely alluring
I was actually going to post the same thing. Maybe Nikon will be using a sensor from a company other than Sony (eg Fuji) which will produce amazing DR and great quality pixels vs quantity. I would be excited about that. It’s also something that would be exciting to Christian, a landscape photographer.
Guys
honestly I miss the subtle statement he does. My background isn’t enough deep to get what’s his point.. what is he saying, exactly?
He is basically saying that there is some future announcement from Nikon that is going to make many Nikonians happy and some Canonites take notice. Him being a professional landscape photographer, one can guess from his comments and target audience that it will be a camera landscape photographers would be keen on.
He currently uses a 5DMkII from what I can gather and he suggests Nikon’s announcement may be tempting enough to make him switch. To me this means we should be expecting a low-ISO, high megapixel camera.
Exactly, I read it the same way. A change re rumors, all we’ve been hearing these days is that no D700x for now.
That’s why I think Christophers comments seems more believable then the ‘no D700X’ talk of recent weeks.
a) because he is dedicated Canon user and promoter
b) his typical audience is generally Canon users
The way he made the announcement also and general tone infers that he knows something. To me it didn’t have the normal atmosphere of a rumour, especially in context of the audience it was written for. Hopefully we’ll hear more at some stage.
Sorry it is Christian and not Christopher who is the author of the blog. Apologies if he reads this
This got me excited for a few seconds, then I remembered that Nikon just released the d300s… I don’t see Nikon releasing anything too spectacular if they have the balls to release a piece of shit like the d300s.
Have you used it and can prove that you cannot take good pictures with a D300s?
One could take good pictures with a disposable camera, but it would be laborious… The Canon 7D trumps the d300s, especially in video. It seems unrealistic that Nikon will release some sort of “super camera” after releasing a camera made obsolete in a matter of days…
It’s this kind of nonsense that makes me tire of reading comments, despite all the other intelligent ones sprinkled through.
If you don’t agree with something, perhaps add some informative criticism instead of just bitching…
Perhaps Mr./Ms./Mrs. Anonymous Coward could do a bit of the same and give us some facts on why the D300s is a PoS camera. I’d like to see a few head to head comparisons between the 7D & the D300s as well.
Until you can fulfill some of that, perhaps you need to get off your itty bitty soapbox and, “add some informative criticism instead of just bitching.”
yeah, of course Canon trumps Nikon in video and that is cause they made camcorders and such so there is this thing called experience, give Nikon a break.
Yeah and you can whine here and there but the D300s is still a great camera nonetheless. Besides, before the D3 and D300, ppl kept on saying Nikon is generations behind blah blah blah, but when they released the D3 and D300, look what happened to those whiners.
The people who make Canon’s camcorders actually need to take lessons from the people who create Canon’s DSLRs; otherwise, film-makers wouldn’t need the 5 & 7D…
But seriously though, I hope you’re right. I’d be much happier knowing that Nikon is trying and failing than not trying at all.
And I don’t mean to say ‘failing’ in a insulting sort of way, just that they’re getting there, but not there yet.
yeah, but like I said, instead of people pushing DSLR manufactures to add more pro video recording features, they should instead push the freaking video camera manufactures instead! (Panasonic, Sony, Canon and etc.)
Adam, they’ve tried that for years and camcorder manufactures haven’t budged. Besides, unless they have to, a company like Sony isn’t going to release a large sensor/interchangeable lens video camera south of $200k. It would conflict with their CineAlta line.
I don’t have any patience left for nikon. after releasing d300s they will not bring another camera soon. I prefer DX for video as it is same as FF35mm film (they could even mask for different formats like 16,s16, 2/3″,4/3, 1.85, 2.35, etc. if they would be smart enough), and a d3x sensor would not me suitable for me; what’s more important is that a d3x sensor camera would cost much more than a canon 7d. no matter what everybody says that canon 7d could not be to bad, and it is here and now, not some rumor.
Nikon is disappointing. nothing to compete with m4/3, canon g11 and nothing suitable for the vDSLR market. SONY is on its way to release a professional vDSLR, canon has all the HD formats in second generation (already) cameras, and the consumers have great m4/3 all-in-one cameras (that I’ll buy as lightweight gear). So where does nikon stand?
Oh! and I forgot to mention the recently announced glasses from canon, excellent for all around purposes, something that nikon does not even dream about in their pro line.
I am out!
Yeah, it was one thing for Nikon to not have an answer for the 5d, but now the d300s has to compete with the 7d! Unless your up to your knees in Nikon glass, why buy their bodies?
Because I really dislike the feel of a Canon in my hand?
erm, fyi, having a product in every field (like what you seem want of Nikon) is not necessarily a good thing. Look at YouTube, they are losing money but they are well the largest video sharing service. Vimeo on the other hand has a much smaller user base but at least they are making money.
Look at Apple, they don’t have a huge user base, but they sure make a kicking ass OS. I prefer Nikon to make quality products then giving us 10 different kind crappy products.
Well, Canon has proven that it can be done… It’s just a matter of whether or not Nikon can do it now. If Nikon had created a superior stills camera that had a sub-par video function your point might be valid, but Nikon’s d300s doesn’t even match the 7d’s specs with regards to stills. It’s a lose, lose camera compared to the 7d so It’s not as though Nikon had difficulty tackling every function, they simply weren’t ambitious enough with this model.
The 7D was released AFTER the D300s, besides Nikon is clearly not yet ready for video, they dont even offer 1080p recording or even 30fps option. But nonetheless, I don’t care about video on dSLR cause what I feel is that people should be pushing real professional video camera makers to lower their price point and introduce entry level models instead (cheaper) instead of getting DSLR manufacturers to create a DSLR to replace real videocameras.
Like a couple of weeks after the D300s… Big difference.
You should really look at what camcorders are offering compared to these DSLRs. I think you’re under the impression that it’s comparable when it’s not. People have been begging camcorder manufactures for years to no avail. Now that DSLR manufactures are creating what film-makers want, we’re not going to say ‘no thank you’ just to please photographers like you…
The specs? Well. If you always think greater numbers are better than smaller numbers then you might be right to say that the 7D with its 18MP is better than the D300s with its 12MP. But you have to like the 7D’s pictures’ noise, too, then. And I don’t like it. Regardless at which test pictures I looked at, I loved the 7D’s ISO 100 and ISO 200 shots, found the ISO 400s just ok, but found all pictures from ISO 800 upwards completely useless.
Besides that, there’s a number thats missing each and every spec paper: the experience of a manufacturer concerning a certain topic. The experience in creating a reliable autofocus system is one of them. This (and the noise thing) is one of the reasons I currently switch from Canon to Nikon after years and years of being satisfied with Canon products.
I own a Canon 20D and love its ISO performance. I missed the 30D and the 40D and thought it would be nice to wait for the 50D after many people were fascinated by the 40D. However, the 50D was already commited to Megapixel Delusion, and the 7D does not do any better.
Its time for Nikon to remove the chairs for their employees
LOL!
+1 Internets for you.
oh please apple can suck my balls, apple is making money beecause its raping its users with overpriced items because of good marketing, their computers are as crap as any other
misu, you said “after releasing d300s they will not bring another camera soon”. I think this is complete nonsense as the current D700 is not delivered to major distributors anymore so it’s plain to see there will be a D700 successor.
I think why companies are focusing more on the video in there R&D because it has so much room for improvement. It kind of reaches the peak or at least a stand still when it comes to stills. I don’t think the components are just not available to improve stills drastically. Basically it comes down to sensor and memory development, the rest is software base. DLSR’s are changing just like cellphones and game consoles the more a device can do the better.
This is true. Amateur photographers have much better tools to choose from than amateur cinematographers. I mean, the hottest tool in amateur cinematography is now the 7D… How messed up is that?
yeah! and how messed up is that cinematographers are now into photographers territory and wants DSLR to transform into their recording tool =.=
So people (amateur cinematographers) time to speak up! Get those video camera manufactures to produce cheaper video cameras!
We don’t care who provides the tools, just so long as we get them. Camcorder manufactures didn’t listen to us and now the DSLR manufactures are. It would be stupid of us to let up now simply to appease you.
erm, there are some camcorder manufacturers that also manufactures dSLRS (screams Panasonic and Sony)
And leave our dSLR’s for us photographers
yeah!
canon is producing its own sensor so they have the money to invest in research and still be first in line all the time. nikon is supposed to have all the means be first, based on their sales (just consider the position of d300 in the market until couple of days ago) and their partnership with other companies, and are not.
I don’t think the Nikon brand values so much to just accept their failures.
how long did we have to wait for D3x after canon Ds mk III?
I’m so sad, i can’t jump to canon, the reason? i have so much nikon accesories, lenses, flash, grips, but i dont know what happend with nikon, they go to the wrong way, today, he dont have a really rival to the 5d, and the D300s not is a rival for the 7D, i still wating for a nikon d400 but sure when exist, canon sell DSLRS whit 4k video
Sell your equipment. There’s a healthy Nikon second-hand market out there. Go. Be free. Buy Canon if that’s what will make you happy. Personally, I think it’s a silly, misguided notion for the most part, but hey, if it would make you happy, then DO it.
Fences are for keeping cows in (or out), not for sitting.
i think we’ll see a d700s w/video and a d750x w/o vid but with some higher MP count. I think the d3 successor will retain the 24MP sensor from the d3x, of course with nice little tweaks here and there. of course, this is what i heard from the grapevine…
perhaps on the d7## updates, can’t say the same about the d3 replacement. the D# is high speed lower Mpx model for sports photojournalism stuff. Don’t see that having a 24mpx unless significantly improve memory/buffering speed. I would D4 (speculated name) will be something like 9 to 10 FX Fps / 11 to 12 DX FPS maybe 16 to 20mpx. this will be on par to put the d4x to between 30 and 40 mpx somewhere. either wya, we’ll definitely see the improved menus and control layout of the newer prosumer bodies.
If they can create the d4 like that with high dynamic range and ISO performance on par with the d3. I’ll preorder the day it’s announced.
the 7D will be a recall / service advisory nightmare. before you ask me to further explain, can you please try to think first. thank you
K, thought about it.
Now explain…
it’s a canon!
*processing your post………* result is….. ERROR 99
I lol’d at that.
I hate the Canon error 99.
My only hope is that if with the inclusion of video on the D700x as in what is being suggested, the FPS can remain as 5 or higher. Right now I’m loving the Nikon line up over the Canon!
Think whatever you will, but if Nikon can include some sort of silent shutter, that will be amazing! Something that sounds seemingly simple over complex video is a sure winner for photographers who have a purpose over just wanting gear for gear sake! (I’m talking about wedding and movie set/theatre photogs!)
i’m sorry but i can’t see the d700x having 5 FPS. The D3X has that. Plus it appears that the D### line will all be getting dual card slots now. Since you probably won’t be spurting off shots like you do on the d3, the double life expectancy of the d3x isn’t that much incentive over the otherwise mostly comparable d700x. I could see the the d700x shooting maybe 2 without the grip and 3 or 4 with grip.
I just think it’s funny that there are so many people here bitching about how Nikon doesn’t have an answer to the 5DII, when I know shooters miffed about the fact that Canon still lacks an answer to the D700. The grass is always greener on the other side …
+1…
I also keep a regular eye on Canon rumors (I’m a Canon owner, but I’m impressed with what I see in Nikon’s line up). The fraction of “I’m fed up with Canon – I’m Running over to Nikon” types over there, is about the same as the fraction of “I’m fed up with Nikon; I’m off to Canon”ers over here… The grass is indeed always greener on the other side, but that’s because it’s fed with large quantities of tasty, nutritious bulls*it…
The main complaint at Canon Rumors is the lack of an inexpensive FF.
The response for the 7D seemed fairly positive from everyone except that crowd. The d300s certainly got a lot less love over here than the 7d did over there.
I remember the day I first read about the D300s rumor, I said it was a mistake from Nikon because they had to upgrade faster to get ready against the competition, not just stick crappy 720p in the D300 body.
But then I thought twice and came to the conclusion that I don’t care about a possible D400 as now I want to upgrade to FX and as a D300 owner, the annoncement of the D300s instead of D400 gives me a lot more resale value
Thanks Nikon. That failure of an upgrade is actually helping me… but now I want you to be very aggressive with the D700x. We need something that will make the Canon user regret their 7D
yeah, one side is considering switching to each other (I’m switching cause of ergonomic, I’ll admit that the 7D has better specs then D300s but guess D400 will beat it and then 7D Mark II will beat D400 again, it will just be like that, so couldn’t care much) I prefer Nikon implementation of ways (like the 51 AF system btw).
Yeah, Canon people complains the lack of inexpensive FF without crippled AF (screams 5D)
Maybe it will have built in HDR shooting for when the camera is mounted on a tripod. Wouldn’t that be something that landscape photographers desire? HDR seems so overly popular these days.
Why not use bracketing and make it even better HDR your home PC? The “in camera” HDR mplementations so far have been limited to two shots – not really impressive…
Well… I guess in-camera HDR will be as popular as in-camera JPEG, maybe less. Most serious shooters (and most D700x-buyers will, I guess, be serious shooters) use RAW and would not want to use in-camera HDR unless the output really is a .hdr file and not a .jpg file.
I do shoot landscapes and I do hardly ever do HDR at all (I think it is not well suited for landscapes, and I have seen extremely few good landscape HDRs, even less than for general HDR where there are few good ones either). But if I do, I would not want it to be done in the camera.
Nooooo, please nooooo, D700s first, then D700x. I will be in the market for FX D700 model this fall, early winter. I want the D700s to be there when my need will surface.
I’m with you.
The world needs a D90H. Six megapixels CMOS with 15 frames per second and noise free to ISO 12800. Nikon should do this now.
Oh shit! I dream about that! Really.
Great idea, but not realistic. First of all, what is “noise-free”? The D700 does have noise even at ISO 100, albeit very little.
Now, if we consider ISO 1600 on the D700 as noise-free, with the technology of the D700, you could get a D90H with 6MP which would be noise-free up to about 640 or 800 ISO. Yes, it would be as noise-free as the D700 at ISO 1600 on pixel level, but well, who cares about pixel level, if you bring both to the same size (either monitor or print), the D700 would be more noise-free at the same ISO.
So even if you consider ISO 3200 on the D700 as noise-free, and even if we assume a 1.3EV jump in noise characteristic from the D700 to a hypothetical D90H, which is not very realistic, you would get noise-free images at ISO 3200, but no way at ISO 12800.
Still, such a camera would be nice.
Also, as a side note, why 15FPS? I do not think the AF of the D90 is up to that, so you would need a better AF as well.
Oh, come on! Everybody understand it’s impossible. What I mean, when I say “I dream about that”. I dream about Nikon D90 with 6 MP and less noise, than D90 has. And generally better quality. That’s it. It’s understandable, that matrix with 6 MP will have less noise and better dynamic range, than the same sensor but with 12 MP. And generally I don’t care about megapixels. For me enough 6 MP, I just don’t need 12 MP.
About 15 fps. – I don’t care about that. For me very enough 5 fps.
And I need in new D90 improved video mode.
everyone needs to stop their pms-ing over video. Nikon is trying to make the best still camera’s not an ehh still and amazing video camera. The only reason that you all give for thinking of jumping to canon is because of the video issue.
I say let ‘em go. Then we don’t have to listen to ‘em anymore!
Video is important. Why? Because consumers say so.
A company like Nikon is like all others: they exist to maximize profits.
Right now one cannot really release a dslr, esp. a high end one, without video and hope to appeal greatly to the market.
The dslr market is evolving, and now video is expected.
Plus, it is a fun feature for many, and let’s face it: a lot of very creative people also love dslr video.
Canon’s 5dii has been racking up sales, in large part due to its video, and now Canon’s 7d is poised to do the same.
Nikon has to step up its video if it wants to compete effectively.
Agree with you, man
I’d rather that Nikon dedicate resources to perfecting the stills side of their cameras, such as true RAW histograms, greater dynamic range, in-camera HDR, multiple spot-meter readings with avg, mid-tones and dynamic range indicators (i.e. Sekonic L-758DR features) etc. I guess they have to go where the market pulls them though unfortunately.
I agree with Gordon. It would be interesting to see just how many “consumers say so” (That video is important). I’m certainly not saying so. I for one, could not care less about video. I will buy my next camera based entirely on its still image performance. I’m sure there are many others like me and Gordon who have no use for video. I can’t help but wonder if it is a small minority of people who NEED video that are making a lot of noise.
There are many posts of people saying they have never even thought of using the video features of their D90.
I haven’t used the video in my D90.
I am film guy. I work with film and HD cameras, as well as still cameras (both film and digital, according to the requirements).
for me it is like this: no matter how good vDSLRs are, I still rent a motion picture camera to shoot whatever I am payed to; yet I do need a motion picture camera unexpected and that is when I want my still camera to do the video job; let’s say I need it for snapshot video/ motion photography. and I want it to deliver best quality video possible, because I might use it for a project. that goes for news photography as well.
on the other hand I have problems with nikon cameras as a set photographer / making-of guy because these cameras do not have both enough resolution and sensitivity to match low light film set-ups and because when needed to shoot video I’ll have to go grab another camera from the back of the van. canon 7d offers all these things and together with the new stabilized 18-135 all around lens it is quick enough for most of the situations.
sometimes I do need a small, unintrusive, silent camera that is quick enough to record the action and deliver high quality prints; the answer is canon g9/g10/g11. nikon has nothing to offer in this area. and this type of a camera I need to be always in my pocket on the set, on crowded areas and in restricted areas (when doing documentary and location scouting).
I do agree that nikon gives the best image quality but that is not the whole point. I don’t always print posters from my photos, and when I do I have everything arranged in advance.
the main thing with photography and video is being there and then, not in a rumor.
Just wanted to add something.
“I guess they have to go where the market pulls them though unfortunately.”
I don’t know if I agree with this part. I personally feel that putting video into DSLRs is forcing the market/consumer to go where the camera industry wants us to go. Just like when a new pop song is released and it’s instantly popular. It’s not popular because the market was hoping for a song like that to come along. It’s popular because it’s forced on the market and they’re ‘told’ what to like. Okay maybe not the best example, but I’m not sure how else to articulate it.
And in five years when DSLR’s have 6dedicated video buttons and a video-optimized sensor etc…
oh you also forget to add, flimsy low res articulating screen and while they are at it, bulkier and less durable DSLR
Sorry that I forgot the articulating screen – that’s already a nightmare of mine… Brrrr!
yeah, mine too
Seriously, when is Nikon going to get their #$%$ together? First the 5D mkII for $2700, then the 7D for $1700 which not only far exceed their Nikon counterparts but are actually cheaper at the same time….. Why oh why have I stuck around so long??
By by!
I think I learned about by, buy, and bye in the second grade… I’m impressed that you’re so interested in camera technology at your age!
Thanks!
I have proven to be bad at spelling – big shame on me…
And you have proven to be a really “nice” person… Maybe you should have learned some manners instead….
By the way – how come you can judge age and camera skills from spelling skills? Oh sorry – my fault – I should have learned that in the third grade I guess….
Why have you stuck around for so long? Good question.
You can always start a new future today. Have anything worth buying? I’m more than willing to help you get unstuck.
(Hopefullee i spelt all that corektlee)
I agree with Nic. Nikon releases the superb D700 last year for $3000, but then Canon releases the 5dii w/ video for 2700. Now about a year later, the D700 has dropped in price to about 2300, whereas the 5dii still is selling out at 2700.
Why? Because consumers have spoken, and the 5dii sells better. One major reason, perhaps THE major reason, is due to the video.
We can all give our own preferences, as well as anecdotal evidence. But the proof is in the sales.
This year Nikon releases the D300s..again, a superb camera. But then Canon releases the 7D, with a far more robust set of video features, for 100 less. Guess which one will sell better?
I’m not knocking Nikon products…they are fantastic. But rather pointing out a flaw in the Nikon marketing strategy. Canon is paying full attention to dslr video, and it’s paying huge dividends.
Nikon needs to do something radical…maybe a D700s with video for the same 2300, or better yet for 2000. That might shake things up a bit.
Or come out with a D700x but for the same 2700 price as the 5dii.
I can see the D700x for 2700 euro as a price happening, but that is only because D300 and D300s shared the same intro price. My main concern however is, Nikon is putting in the D700x probably a different sensor, so that might ‘justify’ them to raise the price with a slight premium.
Wishlist to see within the year or so:
D700x at 2700 euro
D700s at 2100 euro (one can dream, Sony did too)
why is “video” feature talked about so much ….. are we forgetting the basis of a DSLR…. isn’t the main aim of a DSLR is to click still images ??
i have recently worked with a very famous cinematographer (bollywood,india) and he bought a Canon 5DmII just to shoot movies and not to take stills at all…he uses a D700 to shoot stills… i found it very interesting…. that even though the sales figure of a specific camera increased exponentially because of the video feature… it wasnt doing wat it was meant to do in the first place… im sure im wrong here… but then even if 1000 ppl in the entire world do this… DSLR has started transforming into a video device… technology is always welcome… but like this…i dont want it….
hope atleast one of the companies (in this case Nikon) keeps focus on imaging rather than video as their main aim…
Yes it is. Still images much more important. But you don’t understand. If they start put video in DSLR, so improve it! Or better don’t put any video. Because that video mode, that D90 and D300s have – that’s shame! That’s why some photographers don’t use it, because it’s poor. If they started to put video in DSLR, a lot of people expect that in next model it will be emproved! It is obvious! But Nikon doesn’t doo anything in this question. That’s why there are complains on Nikon’ video mode. But it doesn’t mean that they don’t care about still images. We are very care about that!
I think you make a good argument here, but your logic can be used just as strongly to support the focus on still imaging quality.
If the reason that the 5Dii is selling more units than the D700 is because it has video (maybe the best video via DSLR), that means that movie makers are buying the 5Dii.
Well if Nikon was to focus on improving still image quality and offered THE best imaging quality, then more photographers would buy the Nikon product.
I suppose only the marketers know if there are more photographer or movie makers buying DSLRs these days.
this is in reply to Gary, not Abhinav
This is the most sane stance i’ve read here so far!
Many people still don’t seem to understand that Canon is picking up a ton of sales from film-makers because the Canon DSLRs are the best option available to filmmakers on a budget.
Since Nikon clearly can not compete with what Canon is doing video wise, perhaps they should focus on photographers and hope that Canon neglects their photographer user base.
The only problem is, what if Canon out does Nikon for stills too?
“The only problem is, what if Canon out does Nikon for stills too?”
They already do and are cheaper at the same time.
Canon 5Dmk2 24MP FX- $2,700
Nikon D700x 24MP FX- $4,300 (expected)
Nikon D300s 12MP 7FPS DX $1,800
Canon 7D 18MP 8FPS DX $1,700
Yeah, that looks about right.
It’s not a zero sum game. Camera manufacturers can make a great stills camera but also add a robust video feature. There’s no reason why one has to subtract from the other.
There’s no reason why Nikon couldn’t add the video options of the 7D, for instance, to a D700; now that would attract some attention.
Here’s the calculus: given a choice between a dslr w/ video or one without, many consumers will naturally choose the one w/ video, whether they use it alot or not, esp. if its perceived as adding no real cost. In fact, as noted previously, the 5dii w/ video came out less expensive than the D700 w/out video.
The 7d, with more video features than the D300s, is also less expensive. Even the D300s w/ video came out at the same price as the old D300 used to sell for. So consumers are being trained to think of video as a feature added at little to no extra cost…just as a bonus.
There will also be a robust market for those who want the camera primarily for video. The manufacturer doesn’t really care why someone buys their product, only that they get the consumer’s money.
There will be very few people who will choose to NOT buy a camera because it includes video. There will be a large group of people who will NOT buy a dslr these days if it does not have video, given their other options.
One more thing: if this D700x rumor is true, Nikon needs to announce it this month, if they want maximum consumer awareness for holiday sales, not to mention adequate stock at stores, etc.
November is way too late…it takes time for word to get out that any new product is available, it takes time for consumers to learn about a new product and consider it, and it takes time for manufacturing and distribution to ramp up. It takes time for retailers to stock an item, and for sales people to get to know it so they can sell it.
I hope this rumor is true, but that Nikon makes their announcement soon, if they want to max out the holiday season sales.
For those, who against video in DSLR. Why are you think that video shouldn’t be in DSLR? In analog age it was very difficult to arange in cameras. But we are already 9 years in XXI century.
And I need both still images (90%) and video (10%), because I am more creative person than you are. 
I’m against it because 1) I don’t need it and 2) it is taking development time away from developing better stills technology.
If given a choice between HD video on a DSLR or the following camera improvements, which would you prefer?
Live historgram
RAW based histograms
Wider dynamic range
Multiple spot metering with memory and averaging function
In-camera HDR blending
I know what I’d rather see in my DSLR.
How exactly do you know it’s taking development time away from developing better stills technology? Companies don’t have to take staff off of a particular technology because they want to develop additional technologies. In fact, they normally just add staff and resources if they need them. That’s one way jobs are created.
The current EC perhaps, especially in light of Nikon’s recent company report and the losses they’ve made. Most companies in situations like that shed workers or stop recruitment to contain costs. If that is the case with Nikon then there are only so many R&D people to go around.
I understand that, but I don’t think Nikon would let R&D staff go, especially considering they’re the people that will bring profitable products to the company and get them through the global recession. Of course, I don’t know what they’re doing, but cutting staff who bring in profits seems unwise.
Jack, they wont let their R&D staff go, nor would they hire more staff to do video.
Like Gordon says, its better Nikon concentrate on trying to get better image quality as higher resolution goes up (cause the market kept demanding higher resolution), update its freaking FX primes, create f/4 FX zooms for future cheaper FF bodies (and for landscape photographer), and introduce more stuffs to aid still photography rather then trying to improve on a feature that was never meant on a DSLR to begin with (there really should be entry level camcorder by video camera manufacturers :@ ).
I hope Nikon lets the market decide what they concentrate on and not Adam here…
@ Anonymous – Adam IS part of the market! I happen to agree with his views. Not all of ‘the market’ cares about video. I would hazard a guess that most of the photographers don’t care about it either.
Tell these guys you want video out of DSLRs:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=187
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewforum.php?f=62&sid=a508abac7e0d3df42c11ed3339eeb57d
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34434
I never said that I want video out of DSLRs. I said that I, personally, would prefer it if Nikon concentrated it’s resources on maximizing the still image quality and that there are probably many other photographers (not movie makers) who feel the same way.
@anonymous : I dont care that DSLR have video and if you read my comment properly, I never said I wanted video out of DSLR, just that I dont think too much attention should be made onto improving video on DSLRs at the expense of slowing down improvement in lenses and photography.
First of all, you have no proof that it is slowing down the development on the stills side of things. Second of all, the point I’m making is that there are now many customers who WOULD be willing to sacrifice the development in the stills in order to improve video…
haha, define how many would be willing to sacrifice development of stills to improve video. I bet if you pose that question, many will say priority is still on stills. Those who want to improve videos, are videos ppl like you.
oh you forgot to mentioned the way outdated FX primes and perhaps FX f/4 zoom
I mentioned that in another thread
All the current FX primes date back to 94/95, they are way overdue for a refresh.
yeah, its funny how ppl are bitchin about Nikon being behind Canon in Video but they forgot to mention that Nikon really behind Canon in their FX primes (in terms of technology; where are the AF-S primes, N coating and gold ringed primes! Not much complains bout the current prime sharpness)
I don’t want that DSLR’s come with 6dedicated video buttons and a video-optimized sensor in 5years…. Niikon should make a video-only camera for video-makers that could beat all DSLRs with super video features AND hit Canon hard on their camcorder side AND leave normal DSLRs with simple video features (if any)…
yup, video function on DSLR should only stay as an additional feature not as a replacement to entry level camcorders
Says you, but there are many more film-makers who disagree.
and since when DSLR are designed for film-makers?
I’m not too sure… When was the 7D designed?
I heard a rumor from a very reliable local dealer that AP is planning to replace their Canon gear with Nikon when there is a full frame body with video. That’s all I have heard and I only heard it from one source (albeit a very very good one).
If it’s true, that would explain a lot about the recent products that Nikon has released which are good but not overwhelming. If they really are working hand in glove with AP on a camera that will drive not only body but also lens sales in the 10k plus unit sales, then they’ve been very busy on one product family.
Would all those threatening to go to Canon please go now.
Agreed – those comments are rediculous – if I think a Ford is better than Volkswagen I’ll not make threats to Volkswagen in an online forum – I’ll just buy a Ford – done deal….
Amen. And good luck with another camera that is way beyond your skills. (Not directed at the 5% of photographers for whom the current line of cameras is actually limiting them.)
yes please all the whiners who want canon stuff, just buy canon!! the lenses and gear you want are there…stfu and please leave!
+5
Best comment in this entire thread so far.
I’m still waiting for my Nikon 50 1.2, and 85 1.2
Anyone else with me?
Honestly I could live with f1.4 AFS variants with less bulk and less cost. However, add a new 135mm f2.0 and 200mm macro to that. Someone will probably want to add 80-400 VRII and 24mm and 35mm as well – all FX… Than Nikon could finally make that cheep, small and lightweight 24MP FX camera I would like to have by leaving out the internal motor and assosiated cost, bulk and weight…..
I’m with you
Also, I’m still waiting for an FX 35mm f/1.8 (cheaper) and FX 35mm f/1.4. I’m going to switch to Nikon but it’s sad that Nikon doesn’t have a faster 35mm instead of the f/2 and I don’t want to invest onto DX glass cuz I’m planning to change to FX in the future.
Oh and not to forget that besides the AF-S 50mm f/1.4 (which is not that great), I don’t see any other Nikon primes with AF-S (besides the super telephoto). All of em are so outdated! (also FTM is awesome, sadly most of Nikon primes doesn’t have it)
You hit the nail in more than one “bleading Nikon owner heart” there I think….
The Nikon zooms are arguably some of the best in their class but how come Nikon cannot fabricate fixed lens updates for so many years???? Is the market too small and they haven’t got the cash to bring them “up to date” with that in mind or is somthing else in play here?
I’m not sure why Nikon has not updated any primes in over 15 years, I suspect the demand for many of them has been replaced with demand for zooms of superior quality, such as the 14-24mm and 24-70mm. Another factor could be that people are unwilling to fork out money for a prime who’s design is so old, I know I would be. However they should update the 85mm lenses at least and the 200mm macro lens.
well I love Nikon zoom, I love their Golden Trinity AKA Holy Trinity
But the thing is, sometime I wish to own some primes cause of their aperture, low ISO > high ISO no matter what people say and one way to achieve that is by using a fast lens like f/1.4 (even f/1.8 is better then f/2.8).
For me, I use zoom in events where I don’t really have the liberty to move around much and especially when the main subject gets too far and too near too quickly. I use primes when I got the time and liberty to move around
And yeah, I am one of those who refused to buy Nikon primes cuz they are too old (but I will buy if I got no choice
)and using Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro FTM spoiled me =.* Besides that, I felt that primes actually helps the photographer to train their eye on composition :rolleyes:
if you want FTM, get a manual focus nikkor – it’s 100% FTM!!
i know it’s an annoyance for some, but i dont know why it’s so hard to flick a small switch in the side of the lens-mount or body (a place where your thumb generally already rests while hand-holding, thanks to millions of years of evolution) to switch to manual. i HAVE used some USM L-series lenses from canon(they are quite nice, btw) – and i frankly think it’s more of a convenience than a necessity.
well Its not hard to switch to the M, I do that sometime too.
But sometime, it is just faster to achieve lock focus and fine tune it by turning the focusing ring
And yes, this is more of a convenience than necessity
For what its worth, I dont know why people are so scared of Canon, I’ve been browsing sample galleries for months almost every day and I never found a Canon picture to be better than the D300 samples… not one…except the ones that were modified with photoshop of course but all the other canons look very ordinary to me so why be afraid of Canon? I dont want to spend all my time using software, I want the best result right away and that’s what Nikon offers best over Canon.
I’m definitely not “scared” of them. They are just tools to do a job. I drive a Toyota, why should I get all bent out of shape if my friend drives a Nissan or a Chevy? In fact, who the !@#% cares?
That’s why I’m not very reserved in my bashing of the whiners on here- a whole lot of fuss over nothing.
I respect Canon cameras (love my Canon P&Ss). Wouldn’t mind having a 5D to play around with. Even if I had one, it’d never replace my D300 or D700. But maybe I’m the odd one out in thinking that way. If a friend buys a mkII or 7D? Good for them! I hope it treats them well and they’re able to make fantastic photographs with it.
I haven’t read all 200 posts, so someone may have already stated this, but I don’t think he’s referring to equipment. If you read his later post, he says the following:
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“They are both great companies but in the end I will choose a company that can offer me some support, and I mean real support and give this blogging community the respect it deserves. Together we amount to a huge buying group and our opinions are spread far and wide. Such is the success of this blog and it is due to you guys who visit.
I say we need to let the big companies know that the consumer or prosumer market is bigger that the fully pro market so why do they get behind people that are only known by other pros. I doubt any of you have heard of most of the pro shooters in this country, I know I haven’t so what good is it getting behind them?”
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So I don’t think this is about equipment. I think this is about a new support program for photographers – perhaps a new level of Nikon Pro or something where you don’t have to earn 100% of your income from photography in order to qualify.
Or it’s about Nikon somehow providing advanced camera samples to blog sites like his.
If you look at this guy’s work, it’s very, very good. I don’t see equipment driving him to switch from Canon to Nikon.
I also heard the rumor that Nikon will be releasing a Behemoth lens 1000 F/5.6 VR 11 ED for the price of canon’s 800 and with an equivalent weight.
lol…..
I hope Nikon listens on this.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There will no Nikon D700X yet, so don’t get excited. As usual, Nikon tries to squeeze as much money form his customers as possible, giving new technology with the
teaspoon…
In reading the posts on his site, I got the impression that he was just trying to stir up traffic and discussion for his blog. I would take his comments with a grain of salt.
Thanks for not closing this post with some stupid question like “Does this mean the D700x is coming?” or “Could a full frame D3x be a canon killer?”
I hate when you do that. Although if its just a D3x in a d700 body like we all know. Where is the surprise in that?
what I dont understand is why would nikon produce a d700x? It would kill d3x sales and it would cost significantly less. Cus if they do produce it, it proves to everyone that the d3x was an overpriced ripoff… I dont see it happening really…
I believe the demand is there for a D700X, I’m sure many landscape photographers alone would be willing to upgrade to a D700X with 24MP sensor for the extra detail and resolution, let alone other fields of photography that look for more detail. I think they’d sell more D700X bodies then D3X’s and the knock-on effect of lenses upgrades would work in Nikon’s favour as well.
No doubt people would want this camera… but that doesnt mean nikon will make it or benefit from it. IT WOULD KILL D3X SALES !!! Why kill a premium line in its infancy when you could simply just add minor upgrades?
the d3x sales are already low and for a very specialized group of people who need the additional features of a pro body over a consumer body. The reason it’s priced so high is becuase there are a select few who need/want a pro bodied 24 megapixel camera. By the time the anticipated d700x is released, most people who need the d3x will already have it, or the ones who are considering it at that time aren’t going to change their decision. Obviously there is some give there, but the d3x was never meant to be a camera to sell in quantity. However, Nikon still had to make enough sensors in production batch to keep the cost low enough. So we can be sure the mass amount of them that were not used in d3x production will be in the d700x production.
yup, you got that right Anon, doubt Nikon can keep up with D3x quantity anyway if its priced cheaper.
One thing I like bout Nikon is how they like to reuse things from other bodies (partly to reduce cost), so its like a 80% chance that D700x will get the same sensor as D3x
cool so you all admit the d3x was a ripoff sweet I finally got some noinks to admit it lol.
D3X has high quality anti-aliasing filter to extract the best resolution out of the sensor(read the press release for this camera). If D700x is introduced very likely Nikon will put cheaper filer, i.e. D700x is not going to have the same resolution and definition as the D3x – that could be the main difference related to IQ between those to cameras.
It probably would but the 5DMkII killed the 1DsMkIII sales also but Canon would still be making more of a profit from that.
I can only speak as a landscape photographer and my own needs but I would upgrade immeadiately to a D700X as soon as it was released. I already own a D700 and while a great camera it doesn’t have the resolution I seek, I really notice the loss of detail in background objects especially with the larger pixels.
The D3X is too much camera for my needs, I don’t need it’s bulk and vertical grip. All I would like is a standard body with no flash and 100% viewfinder with a 24MP sensor and a low ISO setting.
Looking around various Landscape photography sites or pro home pages and the vast majority that are shooting digital are already using 5DMkII’s, 1DsMkIII’s and now you are starting to see more D3X’s but they are fairly uncommon. Just doing a quick sampling of camera model’s used for photos submitted to the ‘Earth, Sky & Sea’ gallery on the Naturephotographers.net website and out of 48 photos submitted on page 1, 14 are were shot using a 5DMkII (29%) , the next closest was three shots with a tie between a 40D and the 1DsMkIII. Only 5 shots were shot using a Nikon camera, none were a D3X. This is only a small sample but already you can see how many landscape photographers are using a 5DMkII.
You’ll see alot more landscape photographers shooting with a Nikon if a D700X is released I’m sure of it. This can only help Nikon’s profit.
I have one question to all landscape photographers – Why are you using digital camera in first place? It seems to me any descent MF camera with Fuji Film Velvia and CoolScan 9000 or flatbed Epson will do superior job landscapes?
@Zograf
You’ll find many professional landscape photographers still using film in either medium format or large format cameras, especially if they shoot panoramas, resolution being the primary reason.
This rumor is so tissue thin, normally I’d dismiss it outright. But the source seems more credible, but this rumor is still lacking in much substance.
And overall, would it surprise anyone if Nikon updated the D700 with video, maybe some other tweaks?
If Nikon really wants to compete, let them release a D700s with video for $2k…it will kill the Sony sales, and eat into both the 5dii and the 7D sales.
Now whether they’d make enough profit margin per unit is another deal…
You’re right, the rumour does lack substance but the author doesn’t seem the sort of person to post hoax messages just to stir up trouble. Perhaps one of his landscape photography mates is field testing the new body and gave him a heads up. Who know’s, hopefully we’ll find out in the next couple of months.
yup, and its sad that eventhough Nikon makes excellent DSLRs, they still have problem getting enough profit margin per unit
Interestingly enough I just found this rumour post on an Arabic forum which mentions upcoming D700X, D4, D4X and D400. It could be just someones overactive imagination or wish list but still interesting reading.
http://www.adigicam.com/vb/showthread.php?p=702184
These news are spread everywhere as this google search shows:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ultra-fast+pixel+register+cache%22
In most of the places it is called the leaking of a Nikon roadmap. I don’t know why it is not mentioned on this blog here. Yet the timeline of the roadmap disappoints me a lot. Above all, if it’s true that the D4 and the D400 will only appear in 2010 and not in 2009 already, this is a big mistake by Nikon.
there are here, just use the NR search box and type roadmap
I realised it was just a repost of what was posted up on here a few weeks ago after I submitted it. Doh!
Sorry, that way I can see it. Thanks!
sheesh, they just updated the D300s, so meaning no more announcement related to the D300 this year, expect D4 and D400 next year
Since I am surely not the only one to visit the source’s blog with the beautiful images I start to guess making up some rumor is some new kind of getting traffic on one’s site.
I do not expect anything behind the mentioning and would be really surprised when there was something to follow Mr. Fletcher’s hints.
Maybe this rumor-thing will wear out rather sooner than later.
I believe it rather than discount it. Thom Hogan mentioned earlier in the year that Nikon was going to be supporting the high-end market in the Fall (IIRC), so that would dovetail into this nicely. Now, I could be wrong and he could’ve been meaning a few new lenses. But given the state of competition w/ Canon (w/ Sony trying to squeeze in), I wouldn’t discount a D700x at all.
Can’t wait to find out what it is.
If a new Nikon dslr is not released this month, I don’t think they are going to release anything new this year.
I can’t see Nikon waiting until November, as some rumors suggest, to release any new product…that’s just dumb in terms of timing for the holiday season.
If Nikon is going to release soon enough, then we should start getting some substantive rumors pretty soon…if the rumors just remain at this level, I wouldn’t expect any new release for the remainder of this year.
If your right, hopefully we’ll start getting rumours or reports of an upcoming press event soon. There is only a handful of months to go before the year ends. I’m wondering if Nikon may do a dual announcement, a D3s and a D700x, double whammy.
Nikon need to pull something pretty big out of the bag this year.
Sony already have their second offering of the 24mp sensor in the shops at a very reasonable price. Although not full frame, the Cannon 7D certainly turns some heads too, with 18mp, 8fps with 1080 HD video. Nikon carnt offord to bring out a D700s. It would be a mighty fine camera im sure, but people looking to enter the prosumer market for the first time will see 2 things. Nikon has a camera A with 12mp and 720p video, while Cannon/Sony have camera B for the same price with 18-24mp and 1080 video. I know nikon is built to higher quality wirh better autofocus and ISO, but its still a hard sell.
Remember there was a time last year when Nikon appeared to be the undisputed king, with the D3, the D300 both dominating their markets, and the new D700 released to rave reviews.
Then Canon came out with the 5dmkii and that changed everything.
Things can change quickly, if Nikon wants to bring out a game changer model.
The expectations are so high now Nikon will likely disappoint many. People should look into what the have, D3, D3x, D700 and D300s, not to mention D90, are just awesome cameras.
I think Thom (hope his name is not banned) has said it right: if you can’t get 19×13″ prints with good quality from present dslrs, any make, likely the problem is not with camera or brand.
He did it again:
Hot Nikon Equipment •September 8, 2009 • 7 Comments
I have in my hand a list of all the new Nikon gear that is going to be released over the next year. I have to get permission to talk about it from my mates at Team Digital. Will keep you posted, I’m pretty excited. Thanks to Nikon Rumours for posting my comments, it has sent my blog balistic. Cheers
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Tags: Christian Fletcher, D4, d700x, hot new nikons, nikon camera release, nikon rumours
Hi – this is complete and utter crap. Nikon users just can’t help talking about Canon all the time whilst Canon users are out taking photos.
To all D300 users – it blows! Canons 7D completely wipes the floor with it in every conceivable way. Deal with it.
Also haven’t Nikon recently posted record losses and job cuts? Hardly the stuff of a company leading the way in its sector. Will they be around forever? I’m not sure.
I, for one, wouldn’t want to be stuck with a load of Nikon glass if things really went badly for this company.
Wow, a Nikon hater, how original. You’re too focused on hating one company or another you don’t bother to worry about how you suck as a photographer. There is no bad camera company or cameras; just you’re inability to take a picture with anything other than a disposable camera.
What would you know you punk. Nikon sucks and Canon rules. Everybody knows that – only nobody here is brave enough to stand up and admit it.
The 7D is the camera all the Nikon fanboys wish they had. Plus Nikon glass is way more expensive, and hugely inferior to that produced by Canon.
So enjoy Nikon if you really are a fan, but just remember that compared to Canon it sucks hairy balls.
Thank you for proving my point about your incompetence and ineptitude.
Are you 12 or something? Must be because that seems to be who Canon designed their cheap plastic feeling and looking bodies for so they resemble toys.
fyi, christian said hes got new nikon gear but wont say. he does thank NR for making his blog go crazy though…so…
oops, edit: a list of gear. maybe its the roadmap, lol
Looks like it may just be a false rumour, sounds like he was given the fake roadmap but thought it was the real thing and reported on it.
This is all fake crap. Let’s see how tough you lot really are – come over to Canon rumours and let’s see how tough you are.
Also, it’s common knowledge that even the best Nikon pro lens simply cannot compete with even the worst of the L lenses.
And guess what? This is going to have you lot in tears, but I heard a rumour that Canons groundbreaking new hybrid technology will be arriving with a bang and that they are planning on releasing to the market a fleet of newly revised L lenses incorporating this technology. No pro in his right mind would want Nikon equipment once that happens.
So long suckers!
no thanks, wouldnt touch any canon shhhhtuff with a 10 foot pole! i’ll shoot oly or sony before i touch canon…see yah!!
That must be why so many Canon shooters are snapping up the Nikkor 12-24mm lens and adapting it to use on their Canon bodies, they want to use an inferior lens.
Are you kidding me? You guys are dolts. Especially you John Swan. There have been millions upon millions of great images made with Nikon gear.. And probably millions more with Canon gear. But I doubt that even if you had the 7D (You don’t), and had all of the L lenses possible, that you could produce one good image.
Quit being an armchair photographer, and go out there and shoot. Sure the folks on NikonRumors or CanonRumors who go on their own section are on their computers too, but they do so because they are genuinely interested in bettering their equipment so that they can get features to help them produce better pictures… But going on the other person’s photography website to bash other people’s gear? They do NOT do that. That is a waste of time. You are the true definition of an armchair photographer.
Being a Nikon AND Canon photographer.. I own Nikon gear, d300 (80-200 2.8, 17-55 2.8) for myself, and whenever I go to my school, I use Canon gear (50d/5dmark ii with sigma 50 1.4, 70-200is 2.8 etc) and yes pretty soon, I’ll get my hands on the 7D.
Truly there is NO difference in either Canon or Nikon, but mainly preference. But you wouldn’t know… Reading about photography is better than doing it – right? Sounds about right.
For my preference I greatly prefer Nikon menus and ergonomics.. But I prefer Canon prices and certain lenses.
My only true problem with Nikon is that they don’t produce the 50 1.2 and the 85 1.2, which is ideal for what I want to get into (Wedding/portraiture photography)
But for now, for my Canon – the Sigma 50 1.4 is even better than the Canon 50 1.4! And it certainly makes me happy.