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  • If the author’s name isn’t Thom, does it really matter ? In other news, look at this graphic … 🙂 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/556724cea26bda1ec8a902f562265ca711e4d46afbfbc4090189f0956f1dba83.png

    • Fly Moon

      I’ve seen that and I can’t wait to get my D850.
      Love how it handles the color noise

      • Eric Calabros

        Nikon should use this screenshot as advertisement material.

    • A. F.O.

      Impressive!!

    • D700s

      Tony Northrup’s video comparison with D850, GH5, and Sony A7rII is on YouTube. Gotta say I’m liking what I see with D850 Video even though I won’t use it much.

    • Art

      My collection of books by Thom goes back a long way. I’ve been buying his books since I was in High School. If his D850 book wasn’t going to be electronic, I’d be able to put it next to Thom’s other book: Osborne CP/M User Guide

      • Mac

        What makes Thom’s books so good? Just wondering.

        Thanks,
        Mac

      • Fly Moon

        I don’t think Thom like Nikon anymore!

      • Wow! Thanks for that. I had never twigged that he wrote the CP/M user guide. Is it really the same Thom?

    • David Gottlieb

      Man oh man — the Sony Alpha 7R II is ugly and the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV is completely hideous!!! Thanks for sharing.

    • Fly Moon

      Look at this VIDEO comparison by Tony. Sony fans are losing it on his forum 🙂
      Saying that Nikon has bought Tony!! hahaha

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c297f807523ab78bc1337c61a8072fc780d09b48e58bf93df94ef20bd0d82218.png

      • Spy Black

        There’s funky NR processing going on, but not bad. The GH5 has to be commended as well.

  • Fly Moon

    I never bought a book specifically on how to use a camera. I use the manual if I need that.

    • Depending on who writes it, they can be a whole lot better than the “official” manual. The main reason for that are the examples of how and why you would use a particular function and/or how it combines with other functions. I’ve been a photographer since 1973 and I’ve learned some cool stuff from the two or three “Masters of..” books I’ve purchased. The manuals usually stay in the box and get sent with the camera when I sell it.

      • Sorry I have been a photographer since 1967 and never read a book except to pass the time, NOT to learn, nothing beats going and doing

        Also now, YouTube offers better as you can SEE and WATCH, pause etc

        Finally why pay for FREE books, just google, photography free pdf download there are hundreds

        • Ric of The LBC

          to each is own, eh?

        • Yeah, I forgot to watch those YouTube videos they started showing in the 1970s…dumb me. And hey, who needs to flip through an index in the back of a book and go right to the page you’re interested in when I can watch a twenty-three minute video instead.

          • Reading is an art which is becoming obsolete fast. Sad.

        • ZoetMB

          That may have been true in the film days when using a camera required only knowledge of the relationships between ASA (ISO), speed, aperture, and depth of field. But today, when cameras have 200 menu items, frequently badly organized, understanding the details is imperative unless you’re keep the camera on “Auto” and just shoot.

          The problem with the manufacturer’s manuals is that they’re frequently poorly written, sometimes because of a less than ideal translation from the Japanese, but also because they leave out important details.

          I think videos are great, especially for step-by-step procedures for using Photoshop, but I prefer something I can use as a reference when I’m out: I keep a PDF of Thom’s book on my phone so I can refer to it if I’m having a problem or have forgotten how to do something.

          If I have any criticism of Thom’s books is that he tends to be wordy, whereas my preference would be for conciseness. I prefer lists and tables rather than paragraphs of text, but that’s just me.

          • David Gottlieb

            There was a lot more to photography than ASA, speed, aperture, depth of field.
            One had to understand each film and learn about their characteristics. How to develop them according to different lighting conditions. How to print for different effects and negative densities…. In fact I would say that film was (and still is) a lot more complex (and mysterious) than digital imaging.

            • Well, he’s talking about the operation of the camera. The discussion here is about third-party vs manufacturer manuals. Neither of those would delve into developing film or printing. And then there’s the whole topic of what to photograph, how to “see” it and render that vision as a picture. But, I think your point is well taken.

            • David Gottlieb

              You are correct. And yes, digital is more complicated than film if you subtract the darkroom work.

            • As an aside, I’ve “re-photographed many of my old negatives and put them through the digital darkroom. I have to say that the final prints from the resulting files are better than I or any hired technician had been able to do with wet processing.

            • David Gottlieb

              Yes – Good stuff… I’ve actually scanned many of my old negs with a Plustek scanner which does nearly as good a job as a $20,000 Hasselblad scanner. The silverfast program has a large learning curve, but purchasing the very technical third party book on the software helps….I’m very happy with the results. I still have many more negs to scan…. Not sure what to do about my old large format negs, though, in the way of scanning.

            • I didn’t have much luck with scanning. They either were just too crisp (kind of “over sharpened”) or there were a lot of dropouts, I think caused by the scanner software mistaking grain for dust specs. Instead, I bought an old Nikon PB-4 bellows and a PS-4 slide copy attachment. I put a 55mm f/3.5 Micro-Nikko on it and attach the whole apparatus to my Df. I use a diffused sb-600 flash as a light source. The results are really good. As for large format, I put just the lens on the camera and tape my 120 roll negs onto a 4 x 5 sheet of milk glass and fill the short length of the frame. Surprisingly, the prints maintain most of the original medium format character. Even a 16mp sensor collects way more information than film.

            • David Gottlieb

              I’ve had very good results with the Plustek scanner…and with the Silversoft software, it is a great combination. I do not use a flattop scanner with glass.
              The Plustek has technology that that extension tubes and other techniques don’t.
              1 – it has an infrared scanning device that detects scratches and dust. With the silverfast software you have the choice of eliminating / correcting these unwanted anomalies – or leaving them. I find it works very well.
              2 – The light is consistent, including the infrared light.
              3 – It can do multiple scans (yes we can hit the double exposure button on our cameras, but we don’t have the controlled light.) Just don’t put the scanning on the same table as your juicer!!!! I’ve never had any problem with their multiple pass scanning.
              4 – it scans optically at 7200 dpi. These do make for gian tiff files!!!
              5 – They make a 35 mm model and one that will can up to 2 1/4 medium format negs.
              6 – It scans color at 48 bit input for color and output is either 24- bit or 48-bit. Your choice.
              7 – For traditional b&w the grayscale input is 16-bit input with a choice of 8-bit or 16-bit output.
              8 – The dynamic range is 3.6

              Drawbacks –

              1 -It can take two minutes to scan if using the multi-pass scanning rather than the quick scan, bt why would you not want to scan at the highest quality. It takes me a minute to mount and blow dust off the negs. Some old negs might need cleaning with pemma wash and photo flo, depending how they were stored…..

              2 – Silverfast software is a bit complex, so I bought the third party manual that explains it all. Silverfast really lacks a manual. And this third-party e-book is written like a product manual in that it is dry. However, it is a very comprehensive manual. You will only need to read parts of it. But I had to read those parts many times!!!! But once you master the relevant parts of Silverfast, it is second nature.

              3 I have had TIFF files larger than 300mb for some 35mm scans. The size differs depending upon color or b&w and probably the density of the neg or positive. this does not bother me….

              I can’t think of any more drawbacks to this product. It is much better than anything else I have ever tried.

            • David Gottlieb

              Here is a color scan of a poorly stored negative. No post processing done except to bring it from a TIFF to a JPEG

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f2d12ae72f85a3e5181d731ffa6908be2e46c3141bbb6a0fb92fdd65b58a10a8.jpg

            • David Gottlieb
            • Wow, 300mb files. Yikes. Think about it, a 1T drive could hold…3,000 images. OK and stuff.

            • David Gottlieb

              Hi Pete — so here is what I do with the 300mb file. Once I get the tiff the way I like it I process it into a jpeg (or a set of jpegs) and store the tiff in a hard drive just dedicated for the tiffs. The jpeg brings the size of the file way down
              When I come back to the image a few days later and my eyes are not bleary eyed, I then review the jpeg or jpegs from that image. If I like it. I throw away the tiff. No longer needed.

              Oh yes – and note, not all scanned files are that big. Some are smaller and some can even be larger. I was just giving the 300 mb file as an example….
              But none of the tiff files are small. That’s for sure!!!

            • Yeah, I kinda figured not all files were that large. I just found it amusing to think that if they were! Anyway, I tend to want to keep uncompressed versions of images I really like so that I can re-work them later if my vision of them changes over time. I think it’s perfectly natural, if not obvious, that an artist would seek different renderings of the same image over time.

            • David Gottlieb

              I agree…. Perhaps I shall no longer discard the original TIFFs — Certainly storage has gotten cheaper and better.

            • David Gottlieb

              redundancy

            • I think the key difference a good third party book can offer is why you would do something a particular way rather than the manual’s statement of what the functions are.

            • Precisely.

            • David Gottlieb

              Why do I want to do something someone else’s way. I prefer to develop my own technique and individual way of shooting – whether it is film or digital. What if that person believed in shooting in jpegs only, or shooting in vivid mode? Why should I listen to that person?

              Anything new in the camera, the manual will tell me. Then I can put the new technology to work by photographing. If you need tips on technique or composition or digital science, there are plenty of third party books…. (Although I’m not sure anyone can teach you composition. but they will reiterate the idiotic rule of thirds, and other nonsense as gospel….)

            • I still remember those film characteristics pamphlets. Especially the slide films ones.

      • Fly Moon

        Cool. I see your point.

    • The books dont usually cover “this button does X”. If you have not read any such books, you might be surprised. I definitely recommend Thom’s books, although you can see some copy-paste between camera versions; but the main 40% is very useful, even after reading the manual.

      • Foolishcfo

        I’ll second your recommendation to buy Thom’s books.

    • 100% who needs a book, get out and take photographs

    • Shutterbug

      All these books just reiterate the manual with some pretty pictures. You can learn the exact same “tips”in a couple hours on youtube and reading the manual. Useless IMHO.

      • Fly Moon

        That’s what I think too. if not 100% probably 90%

        • Allen_Wentz

          Correct at 90%, but on top modern bodies like D5/D500/D850 that missing 10% represents huge value add to what the bodies are capable of.

      • Allen_Wentz

        Not Thom Hogan’s books. They go into things that the manuals flat miss.

      • Delmar Mineard Jr

        Sorry, disagree. there are some outstanding books out there that cover detail not found int he Nikon manual. FYI, Thom Hogan’s books are excellent and Steve Perry’s ebooks are excellent. The latest on AF system is outstanding. Expand your scope and investigate the other books.

  • anyone else think it’s a bit pre-mature? I wouldn’t be able to teach someone how to “master” something that I have not had time to master myself

    • James

      My thoughts exactly.

  • Foolishcfo

    Any idea on when The second batch of D850’s will hit dealerships? Too early to be talking about books with no product.

    • End of this week, possibly.

    • I asked around, still no answer – it should be at the end of this week.

      • Shutterbug

        Many places have said September 15th.

        • Yes, I was told September 14th, so yes – should be by the end of this week.

          • Fabbui

            I hope this time they deliver enough cameras so we can start feeling like we are getting ours anytime soon… ohh man, this is killing me !!! Not a good experience

            • I am also still waiting on my D850. This is the case with any popular camera (not only Nikon). There is not much you can do.

      • Art

        I’m told by a local dealer that they are expecting another shipment on Friday. Whether I’ll have my cash in hand by Friday is another matter.

        • yes, that’s what I heard too

        • But which Friday? …

      • BTW, thanks Peter. Thanks to your info, I was ready to place two orders just before leaving the UK on an underwater photo-trip. I had to cancel one order as both dealers wanted to ship to me last week. 🙂

  • Michiel953

    I don’t read books.

    I look at them. Dennis Hopper’s Drugstore Camera being my most recent purchase.

    • ZoetMB

      Congratulations. Another member of dumbed-down America.

      • Michiel953

        Huh? When do I receive my US passport?

        • ZoetMB

          We’ll get you an honorary one.

      • Ric of The LBC

        what does that mean?

  • TurtleCat

    These always end up being a rehash of the user manual with more pictures and better wording. I’ve read a couple over the years and they’re largely useless if you know how to use a camera already.

    • An American in Canada

      Fully agree. Money grab by the authors. If you are buying this camera and have any need for anything other than the users manual, you should probably be looking at a different camera…

      • Certainly don’t buy these books but I have to disagree that the user manual is all you will need. I have read my D850 manual and there is lots of stuff that it provides very little information about. Take a look at the section on focus shift if you don’t believe me. It is taking a lot of trial and error to get to grips with the settings required for a range of different subjects.

        I will probably get a well written book by a well respected Nikon pro user some months down the line. I have been a Nikon user for over 40 years and I still find it helpful to learn from the experience of true Nikon experts (not some one who churns out some generic camera guide).

  • Salvatore Angarone

    Hah! It says they arent released until March 2018! They probably got the camera last week and are working on writing the books as we speak. Genius!

    • David Gottlieb

      They probably don’t have the camera. they are most likely re writing the manual and rehashing the older books and then when they get their hands of the camera they will add pics and little bit of new text. It’s a formula rewrite….

  • GoneGalt

    Oh good! Books about a camera Nikon can’t deliver. Joy of joys.

    • GoneGalt

      BTW, waited up until 3am so I could order mine within the first hour from B&H. Still have no camera and I was told not to expect delivery anytime in the forseeable future.

      • Foolishcfo

        I ordered from B&H within the first 15 seconds of ordering going live that morning. I heard they jumped the gun and accepted orders before Nikon’s official release so I have no idea where I am in the queue.

        • GoneGalt

          Yeah, we’re totally boned. They’re filling all the NPS orders first, then they’re dividing deliveries across all their dealers, filling all the early pre-orders from B&H and Adorama…heck, you might order a camera from Beach today and get it before B&H delivers. Its total bedlam. Honestly I’m thinking about just cancelling my order. I have an 810 that rocks. The 850 is great but a bit of an impulse purchase I can live without – which, if they don’t deliver for 3 months I’m living without anyway. This happens every time they release a camera and half the deliveries get scalped on eBay. I’m kinda over it.

          Wonder what Canon’s up to?

          • caffeinedrink

            Adorama didn’t return my email regarding my order. Online chat they stated they had no information regarding when it would ship. Ordered within minutes of preorder being available. Great.

            • FerpectShotz

              They replied to me and this is what the email said
              “Hi,

              Thank you for your inquiry into the status of your pre-order.

              This is a brand new model and it is in high demand. Currently, there is no official ETA from the manufacturer when we will receive our next shipment. They determine when we get each batch and how many we receive per batch.

              Orders are fulfilled in the order we received them, on a first come first serve basis. We cannot share line placement nor can we estimate what batch your order may be fulfilled in.

              We appreciate your patience and loyalty.

              Thank you for shopping with us we appreciate your business.

              Sincerely,

              Amber B.
              Customer Care Associate
              (800)223-2500 or (212)741-0401”

          • Allen_Wentz

            You wonder what Canon’s up to? Canon is up to wishing they had a body that would perform like D850 does.

            Nikon OTOH is wishing it had a marketing plan for the rest of the line…

            • ZoetMB

              Don’t underestimate the power of the top of the line when well received, as the D5, D500 and D850 have been to sell the lower end of the line, because it’s all about reputation and it always was.

              Back in the film days, I couldn’t afford a Nikon F, but I bought a Nikkormat based upon the perceived quality of Nikon.

              Apple sells $999 Mac Books based on the reputation of $4000 Mac Book Pros. Fashion companies sell the low end of the line (which are frequently licenses actually made by a different company) based on the expensive couture lines. BMW and Mercedes sell the bottom of their lines based on the top. Etc.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Good points.

            • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

              may come in the mark 2 of canon’s 5dr / s and good that Nikon is producing these cameras to put pressure on Canon to deliver a camera best as possible for the Canonalaters.

          • Matt Comerford

            “I’m kinda over it.”

            Good, cancel your order so I’ll get mine faster!

        • Not to gloat, but I placed two orders here in the UK and then had to cancel one when both dealers wanted to deliver last week.

    • TwoStrayCats

      Publisher should list the book as “pre-order/unavailable at this time” also.

      • Ric of The LBC

        they are.

  • Ben Brayev

    i feel bad for people that buy that kind of stuff. the camera isnt out for a week and already books about it? nope.

    • Ric of The LBC

      Pre-order.

  • Roger S

    I bought a book of this type when I first made the switch to digital in 2011 with the purchase of a d7000, and did find the book somewhat more useful than the manual in understanding some of the mysteries of digital photography. Before that, since starting to do photography seriously in the early 1970s, I never really found the need. Books of photographs or books about particular photographers were much more interesting.

  • Fabbui

    If I were to order a book (which I would not) , I am sure I would get it long before my camera arrives … funny …
    I guess I can start reading the book and try it on my cardboard made fake D850…

    • Zoot

      There will be a chocolate one by Christmas.

  • seb latin

    It’s not even a D850 on David Busch’s book cover. Serious stuff….

  • David Gottlieb

    The first book I read on Photography was the Exacta vxiia manual. It was hard cover and a wonderful read — and it came with that wonderful camera my Dad handed down to me when I was a young teenager. The next ones were Ansel Adams series, “The Camera,” “The Negative,” and “The Print.” That’s about it. I’ve been photographing for a living since 1975 part time; and full time since the late 1980s. If you think you need a book, then wait for a decent one to hit the shelves. These two books are probably a mixture of a rewrite of the manual and cut and paste from their older books, with new photos and examples. Good luck….

  • Allen_Wentz

    I would wait for Thom Hogan’s book.

    • Ed Hassell

      I agree. Having owned a pair of F2 bodies (& one 250 exposure back), I found them much easier to master than my current pair of D500 bodies. The D850 will be very similar in operation to the D500 model; but there will be important difference. I’ll read the manual (which I’ve already downloaded) and I’ll buy Thom’s book when it becomes available.

  • Nuke Dchat

    I’d bet that Busch hasn’t even used the camera. I bought his book on the D800 and it had a number of mistakes. The book was also missing a number of pages from the index section. I contacted him but he offered no help.

    One should wonder how a writer can get a book out on a new camera this quick and actually put the camera through it’s paces.

    People can say what they want about Thom. His books come out later but I feel he really does use the camera.

  • MSC

    No doubt, anyone might learn a thing or two from such books. On the other hand, if you need one of these books, then you certainly don’t need a d850.

    • Ben Brayev

      im pretty sure any experienced photographer wont learn a thing from those books. but with your second statement i do agree, lol.

      • Allen_Wentz

        I disagree with both you guys. Unless you are already shooting D5/D500 my expectation is most experienced photogs will learn a lot about D850 usage by learning Thom Hogan’s book when it comes out.

        The two books PR’d above I have no clue about.

        • Eledeuh

          I suppose it depends on how knowledgeable you are.

          I mean, someone upgrading from a D700 and with absolutely no knowledge of what new features were introduced in the later generations of cameras would certainly have quite a bit of catching up to do, but we could argue this person doesn’t really “need” a D850, but since the older camera is sort of dying then, well, that person might as well take advantage of the new features.

          Take another person upgrading from a D700 who was simply waiting for the right mix of features to upgrade, that person would likely already know what to look for in the spec sheets and the camera menus, as they’re the reason for buying the camera in the first place.

          I suppose those two profiles exist, the first one could take advantage of such a book, as if it’s well done it should condense a lot of information in a single package. The second one likely has already absorbed that information through other means.

        • Ben Brayev

          dude.. i didnt speak about thom hogan’s future books. i spoke about those particular books that NR seemed to really want you to pre order 😉

          • Allen_Wentz

            Interesting commentary. Obviously you are a _much_ faster study than I am. Good for you.

            Me, I find a lot to learn with these new bodies. In particular the exposures interaction among flash, different metering methods and different AF methods, for me, have a substantive learning curve.

            • pedantic_brit

              I totally agree – new features bring subtle interactions between settings that may not have manifested themselves on earlier bodies. I did not buy a book when I bought my D500 but I avidly read all I can from experts in their field. In the case of the D500 I learned a lot from Steve Perry’s comments about focus settings on FM and elsewhere. With his depth of experience and sheer volume of wildlife photpgraphy he is going to find things out that I might miss altogether or at best take a while to work out for myself.

              I share the scepticism of other about these hastily produced books that are very unlikely to be backed up by any real experience with the camera but I will seriously consider getting, say, Thom’s book when it comes out (which may before I get my 850).

              Like everything there are good books and bad ones and some people prefer to learn purely by doing.
              Each to their own.

          • “i was obviously referring to those particular books that NR seemed to really want you to pre order 😉 ”
            That was not a nice thing to say.
            I wish I could learn all there is to learn about focus stacking in D850 from manual and my practicing on camera. I doubt I would be able to be confident about it to get it perfect in first try even if I aractice a lot beforehand. If somebody does some technical study about it and lets us know in a book it would be different.

            • I have exactly the same issue in relation to focus stacking. To say that the manual is terse on this is a huge understatement.

              I do get the point though that all these me too first publications are unlikely to be worth the paper they are written on. If they can’t even put a photo of a real D850 on the cover then how can they possibly have any knowledge of the more novel and complex issues raised by the new camera. It is likely that they are simply recycling standard content that is barely camera model specific.

              Thom Hogan is certainly likely to provide us with some really useful nuggets of insight when he does publish. I suggest waiting for books by serious users of the camera who will have fully investigated its potentials.

            • David Gottlieb

              Focus stacking will be explained in the manual. As will every other feature. In fact, I believe, the manual is on line. Correct me if I am wrong.

            • I read my manuals and also do it on cameras. Have you read and tried focus stacking from D850 manual? I have hence my comment.

            • David Gottlieb

              No, umeshrw — I don’t have a D850 in my hands yet. I am playing this waiting game. So, I am not going to read the manual before I have the beast in my hands for two reasons:
              1 – If I read the manual before I have the camera, I will never remember any of the new stuff as my brain cells slough off at an unbelievably fast rate.
              2- I don’t have to read the manual beforehand as I am not (re) writing one of these Gawd-awful books.
              But your omment is well taken….

          • “I was obviously referring to those particular books that NR seemed to really want you to pre order” is a bit unfair. I would expect Peter to post any news like this whether or not he knows if the books are any good or not.

            Thanks to Peter I have my D850. Because of NR, I was well informed and ready to place an order as soon as they were being accepted. My camera was delivered a week ago.

            • that’s correct – I report the latest news, I don’t push anyone into buying anything

            • Robert

              Hi Peter, FYI Capture One 10.2 has now been released with full D850 RAW support.

            • thanks, will mention this in my weekend recap

    • ZoetMB

      That’s ridiculous IMO. There are over 200 menu items and you absolutely won’t know how to do things, like face tracking, without using either the manual or a book written bye someone else. It’s because the D850 and cameras like it have so much embedded and largely non-intuitive functionality that one needs a manual.

      • Ben Brayev

        when i buy a new body, i run through the entire menu. do you really need to read the manual not to mention A BOOK to learn where everything is?? you can just turn on the camera, go to the menu, AND GO THROUGH IT. you’re probably just one of those that write those “books” and you just want to give people a reason to buy them.. there is NONE.

      • Absolutely agree. I am trying to understand how to set up focus shift (focus stacking) on my D850. I find it works well once you have worked out what settings to use. The
        manual provides very little information to help you. You choose a step size from 1 to 10 but there is nothing to tell you what these equate to. 1 is a small step and 10 is large but these obviously depend on focal length being used and the initial distance you focus. It’s possible that
        they may be a simple function of magnification.

        At the moment it seems that trial and error is the only way to work out what settings to use. I would find it helpful to have some kind of formula that tells me what a step size actually equates to as a function of the focal length and distance.

        My advice for a starting point is set the step size to 5 and the number of shots to 10. Focus the camera on the nearest point you want to be sharp and then start the stacking process. Look at the result and if the steps are too large then decrease the step size and increase the
        number of shots (or vice versa if the steps are smaller than you need). If you haven’t got a sharp focus for the whole range of your subject then you will also need to increase the number of shots.

        Has anyone else got any advice on this? I would certainly welcome being able to learn from the experiences of other users.

        One problem I have encountered when using focus stacking with the AF-S 105mm VR micro is focus breathing. That is to say that the focal length of the lens changes as the focus is shifted causing the subject
        to change size slightly. I haven’t tried to deal with this in post yet so I would welcome any advice on doing so.

      • David Gottlieb

        “Largely non-intuitive” — Honestly???? The Nikon manuals may be dry, but all the info is there. If you want to go further, perhaps you should buy one of Thom’s books. This is just marketing. They are already advertising Master the D850, but the author may not even have one in his hands yet, so he hasn’t mastered it. What a joke!!!!
        By the way – I don’t find the menu non-intuitive at all. It makes sense to me…
        To say the “…the D850 and cameras like it have so much embedded and largely non-intuitive functionality that one needs a manual” demonstrates that you might be in the photo book publishing business or that you shouldn’t purchase a D850.

    • You are wrong there. These DSLRs are becoming very complex. I have used D800e since the first month it got launched. I am a pro with varied usage scenarios. I got my D850 on the first day of launch and I feel it has got much more in features and differences compared to D800. And some things you simply do not get from the manual and then someday after a few years somebody tells you that there is a way to do something in your camera which you always wanted but couldn’t do. Because you didn’t know. And manuals are notoriously difficult to understand sometime or just don’t tell the whole story. Hence the books. But I agree that the writer should be good and reliable.

      • Absolutely. After more than 5 years, I have only recently found better ways of doing certain things with my D800 thanks to tips posted by other users. The manuals are rarely the full story and if you don’t even read the manual then there are likely to be many features you are unaware of.

        • Dinosaur

          What multiple things did you learn to do with the D800?

      • Dinosaur

        Complex? I guess you think making toast is complex as well? Mr. Pro what’s your portfolio website?

        • There are three ways to think about complex or simple. One is when it actually is simple.(Basics cover this scenario) Second is when one knows little about things and knows that.(New digital cameras ) 3rd is when one is satisfied with what one knows and is confident that nothing new is being done in the world. I fall in the second category. You obviously fall in the first.
          You are a self learner. Right? You can find out my site by yourself. 🙂

  • TwoStrayCats

    A book? Oh, gods, I don’t even read the instruction manual that comes with the camera. I just use it and fumble my way through the features over time.

    • Max

      Lol me too!

  • Tom Taubert

    I have Busch’s manual on the V1. It is just a prettier,friendlier version of the Nikon manual. I suppose it is useful in that regard since printed user manuals aren’t available anymore?

    • You do get a printed copy of the manual with the D850. They have shrunk the format as it is smaller than the one that came with my D800. Problem is the manual often fails to provide enough information. I have tried to understand how to select the settings for focus shift (focus stacking) but to be honest it is necessary to resort to trial and error.

  • Davidvictormeldrew Idontbeliev

    looking forward in receiving my d850 in time for xmas and hopefully ordering thom hogan’s guide to the d850 when it comes out

  • typyshotshot

    It’s amazing how Amazon Italy sells the manual but not the camera itself. And not a single Italian store has the camera even listed on their website. As always we shall wait.

  • Ric of The LBC

    Buy a book, don’t buy a book. You decide for yourself.

    Next.

    • And don’t tell others not to buy / they don’t need it/how stupid others are because they do/ how clever they themselves are because they don’t.

      • Ric of The LBC

        basket of deplorable book buyers

      • Dinosaur

        People who buy these books usually are stupid, if you require a book like that over the included manual the D850 is way too much camera for you in the first place.

        • I have quoted you also in my post. 🙂

  • Randolf Sack

    Any word on when Thom’s book will be released?

  • BlackRipleyDog

    David should at least use a real 850 as the model for the cover of the book instead of a mock-up using an 810.

  • The first book use a fake d850 picture… How people can pay to this shit… (Look at the pop-up flash)
    Btw, thank’s admin for the news

    • Max

      Yes he must’ve been in a big hurry to get that published first.

  • Michiel953

    The manual of any camera is usually not very helpful. The menus on my subsequent Nikons (D700, D8xx, now 850) are sometimes puzzling if you lack the knowledge of what’s behind all the terms and abbreviations. On-line guides, such as published by f.i. Photographylife offer guidelines and explanations.

    • Dinosaur

      Any “abbreviations” not understood only shows the D850 is way too much camera for them in the first place

  • Rick Jansen

    Someone actually buys these books? They seem utterly useless to me, but that’s probably just me.. 🙂

  • I always find these camera books to be just a waste of money.

    • Ric of The LBC

      then why do you keep buying them?

      • Where is the part I said I even bought one. You can skim over the pages in a bookshop to see what’s inside.

  • I have my D850 in my hand as well as the manual. You can check it out when you get your D850 and then let me know how good the manual is about it.

    • David Gottlieb

      I would be very happy to do that!!! I’m just playing the waiting game, as I have already mentioned…. In the meantime, I am happy photographing with my D4 and D800. Does that make me a dinosaur. 😉

      • D800 was my fav till I got D850. Never could afford D4 at the time(nor can I afford D5 now) but pure respect to those beasts. D850 is worth the wait. You will enjoy it.

    • David Gottlieb

      By the way – Focus stacking isn’t something new. Nikon has just made it easier — hopefully — for us to accomplish. Just look up focus stacking on your favorite search engine and I am sure you will come up with lots of info that will supplement the D850 manual instructions….

      • Just do it and let us know how easy it is from the manual 🙂

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