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Nikon patents for 1 Nikkor 10-100mm f/4-5.6 lens and fan accessory for cooling digital cameras

US patent D665005 filed by Nikon is probably for the upcoming 1 Nikkor 10-100mm f/4-5.6 lens. As you can see from the drawings, the controls on the lens are slightly different then the current 1 Nikkor VR 10-100mm f/4.5-5.6 PD-Zoom lens. There seems to be also a new switch on the side:

Nikon filed a patent (2012-198447) in Japan for a way of cooling off digital cameras (especially helpful during long video recording sessions). The device is similar to an external battery grip with a built-in fan and will attach to the tripod mount. The fan will push air through an opening at the bottom of the camera. A temperature sensor will control the cooling module. Here is another design for a built-in-camera fan located right under the sensor (probably intended for larger bodies):

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  • Spy Black

    Sheesh! More useful gear for a useless camera.

    • Spy Black

      There’s actually a pretty cool readers concept “Nikon C1″ camera over at DPreview. Now if Nikon made a 1 series camera like that instead of this miserable J1 and V1/2 junk, then you’d really have mt interest!

      • Hugo

        Well said!

        • Hot Stuff

          Cooling fan?

          Every fanboy should have one.

      • Jabs

        I looked at the camera design and it looked like something done by a person who has good intents but very little Engineering chops or capability.

        1. The controls are basically analog trying to now interface with digital controls and thus a waste of time and would be impractical and too costly to manufacture.

        2. Looks like a Nikon P&S like the newly introduced model but uglier and too many controls making them perhaps minuscule or the body bloated in size or area to accommodate the distances between controls so you can actually USE them.

        3. Let’s bury the stupid concept of a rangefinder for good will ya. Dopey window that moves to frame for another focal length is what – 80 years old – and never really worked that well, hence they made the original Nikon F an SLR to fix that mess and the rest is history.

        4. How are you going to AF and meter plus frame with several lenses or will it be a fixed zoom lens body with a ‘brilliant’ zoom viewfinder??? How quaint in a cerebral way!

        Last Comment:
        Many new to photography are lured to sleep by exaggerated tales of ancient concepts and ancient cameras told by people with romantic notions about the quality or capability of older gear. Well guess what? I bought and owned a Leica and a Canon combination rangefinder camera and got rid of it after the first roll after I had to learn to drop the bottom of the thing just to load the film cartridge and then squint through the viewfinder looking for barely perceptible framing lines that were hardly noticeable. Yeah, good that I had three F3′s, an FA all with motordrives and the F3′s had the automatic rewind after the cartridge was filled with 35 exposures and also could leave the leader out of the cartridge for me. Auto rewinding and loading plus finished exposing that whole roll of film before the other rangefinder cutie was even loaded – lol.

        The POINT – I was there and used plus bought that gear then and the gear today is light years ahead of then, so don’t let people rock you back to sleep in nostalgia as most of them never really used old gear or were they practical, so they are like old stooges or the joke about old plumbers – they just WHAT???

        Get real, as that body looked fine but the concepts are horrible. Be careful about what you wish for, as you might get it and then it kills ya or drives ya mad in frustration. Everything must change it seems!

        • Timo

          Yeah, in fact lets get real!
          The Nikon 1 concept is a dead investment! No real (!) improvements switching to the V2/J2 generation but good enough to make the old generation valueless, you’d be better off to keep it in the glove box than trying to sell it.
          A number of the new lenses seems to be redundant, especially considering the primary target group, who do not seem to be as affine to technology as you, Jabs.
          I don’t care, if somebody call it old school / nostalgic or not. The “modern” EVF comes with some severe trade offs.
          To have both like the X Pro 1 would be of advantage in my eyes.
          However, as much as I like the X Pro 1 concept (including the different sensor design!!!) as much do I dislike the not-thought-through quirks of this camera.
          I’m matured enough to acknowledge the advancements of progress in technology. But that makes me to a critical observer rather than a disciple. E.g. “by wire” isn’t (yet) good enough to cope with mechanic (referring to the Fuji and aperture steering compared to different concepts).

          Anyway, I personally would love Nikon to make something like the X Pro 1 with Nikon perfection (…and the AF speed of the V1) and make it to a concept which will well reach into the future.
          But honestly I don’t see it happen, because that would rather serve a small market compared to the mass market the V/J cameras are targeted at. But as soon as this meadow is grazed off, the buyers will be pissed.

          • Timo

            Correction:
            (referring to the Fuji (manual) focus and aperture steering compared to different concepts).

          • Jabs

            @Timo

            Reality for me is this:
            I like the concept of the newer Fuji cameras but hate the execution – meaning an over complex idea designed to impress with superfluous technology for its purpose while failing to realize IF they are any real benefits other than bragging rights.

            Cameras are tools to me and sometimes Manufacturer’s don’t remember that. Fuji like Leica, is trying to create a niche’ while Leica is protecting plus extending its niche’ with newer and more absurd versions of past designs. That’s like me trying to bring to market a steam powered automobile in these days of a Toyota Prius and hybrid cars. Romantic notion but a pointless exercise to me.

            The V1 and J2 are excellent cameras with a few design quirks to me, but at least they are part of a well thought out System, which has always been Nikon’s strength. A few generations and they will probably be much better as they start out with an excellent idea and not some ego driven idealistic concept like most niche’ products.

            Nikon D4, D800, D800E and D600 represent my reality and the Nikon 1 series my small camera choice for convenience and size as too small means I cannot use the thing.

            Esoteric and practical are usually two differing goals and product thrusts and so far recently ONLY Nikon has been able to pull that off and succeed with working products. That’s the difference between brilliance and faux or pretentiousness to me.

            I also much prefer an optical finder to any EVF as I cater to the concept of – If it AIN’T broke, don’t try to fix it. Ever looked through an F3 with the DA2 Action finder?

        • Ronan

          Jab you do realise the whole analogue buttons are being done by a lot of camera manufacturers… Olympus, Fuji just to name two.

          It’s very much in demand.

          • Jabs

            @Ronan – Yes, I do realize that but I would not buy a body with them, as I already did that years ago with F3′s, F4′s and FA’s – so nothing to be nostalgic about as I can still buy those bodies today.

            The problem is that those controls had better tactile feedback and served a purpose then but now in today’s market, they are just trying to get people back to the past instead of looking towards the future with better real controls.

            A D700 (one of my cameras) is much better than either an F3HP, F4s or an FA and the only plus they have to me is their removable focusing screens and removable heads especially on the F3 Series, which I used extensively.

            Fuji makes interesting but too complicated and flawed products for me, as I am a technocrat who loves form to follow function and not ‘romancing the stone’ to be IN or hep or current in trends, as that is a consumer trap to me.

            Fuji reminds me of having this really beautiful but ‘dumb or dense’ wife as a trophy or for the bragging rights. Like the DP Merrill and such, these ‘one trick ponies’ are marvels to read about but when it comes to actual use, I am very practical and even a Nikon V1 would be my choice over any of them. Frustration sets in when something causes me to go through two or three illogical steps to get a benefit especially when there are things much cheaper that perform better.

            I would buy a D3200 before any Fuji or Sony NEX, as the size and weight differences are minimal to me but the performance of the D3200 is great and often cheaper and more flexible than them. People look back in nostalgia while I was there buying and using the gear based upon these ideas, so it is like me trying to buy a turntable now when I had several AR XA an XB turntables in the past and moved to CD players and above.

        • Martin

          “looked like something done by a person who has good intents but very little Engineering chops or capability.”

          Wow – if only he had your panache and expertise!

          “The controls are basically analog trying to now interface with digital controls and thus a waste of time…”

          Nothing wrong with a physical interface – in fact it is often preferred. Most cameras have them, but hey, you clearly know something every other camera manufacturer is missing.

          • Jabs

            @Martin – Actually I am a trained Engineer but not a Camera Engineer but a Nikon camera user from the F3HP and FA days. The problem with that silly concept is that it is too basic or infantile. If I have 50 exposed controls in 50 places then now I have to physically remember 50 locations while photographing thus actually causing more havoc and disruptions to my photography and my train of thoughts. That’s perhaps is what that demonstrates.

            That is absurd or like laying out 50 blocks to play with and then there is no more space in your room to actually play with them as a child.

            That is why they have logical or grouped multi-functional controls and newer digital controls to give us finer and better control of functions like how you have 1/3rd step digital shutter and aperture controls now instead of the past 1 stop analog controls. Imagine laying all those in an analog fashion with all the 1/3 stops of shutter and aperture and then now see the analogy of showing or exhibiting all the blocks and then having no room to play. Foolish too.

            Reminds me of 5 inch knobs with every setting on a 3 inch deep body – wow, child’s play time!
            Wishful thinking and functionality are two diverse goals and that is why they have Engineers and Camera Designers plus camera users who test the logics, placement of controls and functionality of equipment before putting it on the market.

            That is why Nikon is tops in the Pro ranks as they are masters of this. The old school way was to put ’50 knobs’ on the wide dash of a sports car and wood veneer all over the place to impress your friends. By the time you reach over to press a far away button, you ran into a tree from being distracted as someone forgot that you actually have to multi-task when doing much plus human intuition allows us to deal with well made controls or systems that flow logically and hence new cars have less controls showing but more functions in grouped controls.

            Apply that to photography where you drive, steer, brake and read or listen to a GPS while keeping within the speed limit and not kill your engine by over revving it. That camera is like a baby’s toy designed for impressing people and not for any real use.

            How many fingers do you have?

      • Sander

        A link to this DPreview concept would be usefull

        • Jabs
          • Geoff_K

            Where would one grab it and not end up bumping controls ? While not overly large, my hands are not small.

            • Jabs

              @Geoff – It’s a fantasy for them and does not have to make sense as it is a test on the ‘designer’s’ graphic skills to cram every thing in there and not their photographic prowess or technical designing skills – LOL.

              Like an electric horse when we have cars – that’s one of the things now. Design and THEN think about how it works later – BASS-ackwards = the old slang – lol

              Reminds me of getting someone like Bart Simpson an Etch-A-Sketch or one of the new 3D printers – not pretty and certainly no substitute for a College Education or Engineering skills or even common sense and logics.

              Make a WISH -vs- Make Sense and can be manufactured for profit and used by anyone but the original ‘dreamer’ – Franken-camerah – lol

              Intellect in design is conforming to people’s wishes, actual usage models and expectations while being an idiot is going off on a tangent and design for design sake only and then no one can use the thing.

              Artsy-Farsty ‘fool’, then perhaps! Paper wishes versus something really usable is what evades that camera design. Like sending a child to a Store and they buy every type of candy there and then try and eat it all together. Later on they choke, get sick and throw up and then wonder why? Eyes bigger than their brain perhaps!

            • Spy Black

              Actually, if you study it carefully you’ll notice the areas where your hands will be, especially your right hand, are devoid of buttons. It’s actually quite a functional layout, especially for someone like myself who has dealt with Nikons since the F.

            • Martin

              The whole point is that the buttons all fall within reach of your fingers. You would be able to both ‘read’ the camera setup and make adjustments all with just your fingers, without having to take your eyes from the scene.

              It is perhaps counter-intuitive for a camera, but the best interface should be operable by a blind person. That leaves your eyes free to do the photography.

            • Jabs

              This concept reminds me of letting your finger do the walking (Old Telephone Book Advertiement – lol) while interrupting your brain from concentrating on the object or thing that you are photographing. The idiot forgot how many fingers the human has plus the size of our fingers and human dexterity.

              Hand to eye to brain coordination is maybe lacking in that person???

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

          already posted the link in the weekly recap

      • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

        http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/10/19/Enthusiasts-concept-camera-prompts-question-what-would-your-ideal-camera-be

        That? Looks like a complete clusterf*(% of a camera idea. What a mess.

        I still have a Nikon F4S with tons of dials everywhere. Hand it to the average person, and they are immediately overwhelmed and have no idea how to take a photo with it. Even if an F4S was set on Program, most people are put off by all the dials everywhere. This is one of the reason Nikon moved away from tons of knobs and went with command dials, and an interface that immediately appeared simpler.

        That is what people miss with the Nikon 1 system. It is not for enthusiasts with years of experience. The Nikon 1 system is for people who were previously taking photos with their phone, or had a point-and-shoot.

        What many detractors are trying to describe is already being made in the form of the Fujifilm X system. The only downsides on the Fuji X are that the autofocus could stand some improvement, and the lenses have a fly-by-wire manual focus system.

        Personally, if I were to dream up a Nikon, it would be an FX body with controls more like an FM or FE; maybe call it the DFE3. Settings would be limited, but it could mount all old AIS lenses. Nikon could sell maybe 5000 of those, ever, world-wide. Of course Leica sort of does this already, except at a much higher price.

        • central shutter

          that so-called “Nikon C1″ is merely a camera kid’s wild dream. What a mess! a hodgepodge scrabbled up.

          if we wanted to look at another type’s camera,
          I wanted a built-in-lens central shutter system could obtain resurrected up, without the shutter vibrations and stillness. The true sharp imaging quality, none a camera’s internal vibration blurring.

        • Jabs

          @Gordon – Looks like we answered at the same time but you posted more information and probably started replying before I did – lol

          I bought an F4S and it was easy to use because I also was using an F3HP and F3AF.

          Newer digital cameras do not have any need for some of the controls of the film era cameras but I guarantee that a current Nikon Pro shooter would be able to quickly use an F4s at it reminds me of a D700 or D3. I shot with a D700 and it was like an old friend to me.

          The problem with the Nikon 1 System is that the J1/J2 is fine as is, but the V2 needs more controls and not dumbed down or hidden controls plus a clearer differentiation from the J1/J2, to me. More megapixels, 14bit output and maybe a few controls from a Nikon DSLR might help. Nice system and growing too but many here love to bad-mouth it while pointing us to worse cameras.

          One of the problems of recreating the past is that you jump through so many hoops to bring back antiquated and stupid concepts that you lose functionality or practicality as the Fuji cameras show. Sometimes ‘KISS’ or Keep-It-Simple-Stupid – makes more sense and often it is best to drop the old stuff back in their Era and not migrate them to now, as they become impractical.

          People talk about the old Nikon film bodies and refuse to let them go – I used them and the ONLY one that I would use again would be an F3HP and nothing before that. An FA with an MD-15 was also the only smaller body that I loved and all the old manual cameras had too many oddities for me to want them, as I rejected them then and bought an F3HP as my first camera even though my brother said to buy an FM2N. Yeah right – ever used an FM2 and then compared it to an FA? Same for the FE, FG, FE2 and others like that. They linked to the past but the present is here and looking back does not rewrite the future nor make that which was dated now brilliant. Have you ever really tried using an old camera or even an old rangefinder?

          So much for quickness as I could shoot quicker with an N4004 than the rangefinder which forced you to adapt to the limitations of itself rather than you being able to up your game by having a fast responsive camera. Rangefinders work best when you don’t have to focus them with wideangles due to a huge DOF and thus if you shoot anything else, then you are toast. What sense does that make in today’s world as we read people asking for things of the past when the present gear is much better??? Go buy an old camera then and be done with it and no one will make one for you and if they do, it will be overpriced and incompetent just like it was then, as the new stuff is an answer plus solution to the old problems. Problems fixed but nostalgia blinds people in emotion.

          Get a dog or a cat instead of a camera or become an old camera collector and line them up in jewel boxes or on shelves and be happy – lol

          • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

            Definitely funny how people go on about certain cameras, and I agree with many of your points. Of course, now people want convenience, and they want massive amounts of customization potential.

            I shoot corporate and advertising images professionally. What I need is very specific, and I am quite fine with RAW. Most of the automation and settings designed for news, sports, or some enthusiasts, is completely wasted on me. Definitely, any camera I use needs to be responsive, with the first need being as little shutter lag as possible. Most of my shoots are set up, so fast autofocus is not really necessary, and I tend to manually focus. Medium format solves most of my professional needs.

            I went to college from 1994 through 1998 for a degree in fine art. The two cameras I started with for classes were a Nikon FM and Leica M3. Unfortunately the winder on the M3 broke, so I ended up with a Nikon FE. I also shot large format and medium format, though nearly every image being used for a project ended up being scanned. There was a great simplicity in using an FM or FE that is completely missing on a D3, but I doubt many modern photographers would want to use any old cameras.

            http://www.antoninkratochvil.com/

            http://www.viiphoto.com/photographer.html

            Antonin Kratochvil was one of the photographers I learned about when I was in college. Got to meet him near that time period too. He did many interesting images with a Nikon FE throughout the 1980s, when such cameras were fairly new.

            It’s funny to think about some famous photographers of the past, who created such compelling images with what nearly every enthusiast now considers to be completely unworkable gear. Modern photographers whine about the littlest details, yet struggle to approach the brilliance of most images from decades ago. There is too much emphasis on gear today.

            • v1owner

              “I went to college from 1994 through 1998…”

              You should try email sometime, or writing a blog.

            • Jabs

              @Gordon +1
              Great points and from one who actually uses cameras for a while too. I remember Jay Maisel and his 35mm shots – excellent stuff. Red Lips on Sugar and ‘other part’ on Cherry by Stanley Turrentine’s album – LOL.

              You cannot often explain to people the reality of photography when they are stuck reading about it on the Internet and living through another person’s experiences. They become bookworms and out of touch with reality. If you gave them an FM or an FE to use, they would not know what to do. How many people actually now know how to load a 35mm camera?

        • Spy Black

          “That is what people miss with the Nikon 1 system. It is not for enthusiasts with years of experience. The Nikon 1 system is for people who were previously taking photos with their phone, or had a point-and-shoot.”

          The reality of that is that people like that are not going to give a f#*k about all these lenses and whatnot. That’s my point. They just want a simple camera that takes pictures. I agree with you that the J1/V1 are exactly that, but the hardware and associated hardware obviously hint to something far more capable that those two bodies are definitely NOT. However, I say keep those bodies and make a Nikon 1 series body a la C1 to those of us who know how to make use of all this stuff Nikon is developing for the 1 series. That’s the core of my argument.

          “That? Looks like a complete clusterf*(% of a camera idea. What a mess.”

          Not really. Study it closely. I’ll repeat what I said above – if you study it carefully you’ll notice the areas where your hands will be, especially your right hand, are devoid of buttons. It’s actually quite a functional layout, especially for someone like myself who has dealt with Nikons since the F.

          So I say keep the J1 and the V1 for their target audience, and give the rest of us a C1 to really make use to the microcosm that is the unfolding Nikon 1 system.

          • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

            The fact that you have been shooting Nikon since the F came out means you are old, a long time enthusiast, and not the target market. Obviously you don’t understand the Nikon 1 system at all. Yet somehow it seems you want a smaller and lighter compact camera with lots of control choices. The Fuji X line seems to meet your needs. Why not go there and ignore the Nikon 1?

            Quality perception in the general (non-enthusiast photo taking public with little to no experience) public goes on a very simple path: first is does it have lots of megapixels, second is can you change the lens or add an accessory lens, and third is how big is the camera. It really is that simplistic. I’ve worked with some major electronics/camera manufacturers, and seen enough consumer studies to see the paths chosen for new products. Compact system cameras address some of the consumer requests. Complexity and the general difficulty of getting anyone to read a camera manual, pushes towards extremely simple and dumbed-down interfaces.

            Smartphones are cannibalizing compact camera sales. Accessory and lens sales could generate slightly more revenue for companies, to make up for the shortfall of compact sales declines. Automated cameras with simple interfaces answer consumer needs.

            I think the Nikon 1 J1 and J2 are exactly correct answers for consumer demand, which is probably why they sell so well. I think the V1 misses it, and unfortunately the V2 is likely to miss a few features too. Fuji meets the retro desires for those who want a camera that seems to jump out of the past, and looks like what long time users expect of a camera. The J1 and V1 do not look like what enthusiasts expect of cameras.

            • Spy Black

              Your reading comprehension isn’t too high, I see.

      • http://loewald.com/blog/ Tonio Loewald

        The C1 concept is ridiculous. The entire surface of the camera is covered in controls, there’s no logic to their layout, most you’d hardly ever use (or remember the location of).

        Every hard control is somewhere for moisture to get in, adds cost and parts, and subtracts reliability. (I remember somewhere Thom Hogan comparing the number of parts in a typical DSLR to those in a high end smartphone.)

        Just put PASM on the mode dial, have one or two control dials that can be used when looking through the viewfinder, and maybe have the dials “chord” (e.g. the way you can hold the +/- button down and use the main control dial to do exposure compensation). Does anyone think the Leica M would be better if it had more controls?

        Or, go in the other direction: Android, a touch screen, a CX mount, and maybe three hard buttons and a dial.

        The problem with the V1 isn’t “not enough buttons and dials” but “dumb buttons and dials”.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      Is this system really selling? T just seems like such…junk.

    • karl

      More useless flames from APS-C mirrorless trolls.

  • hunt

    fail

  • MrMister

    awesome lens for a piece of sh*t camera,

  • Landscape Photo

    Who really cares the Nikon 1 system & accessories. Nikon should better concentrate on compact dslr lenses.

  • timon

    a fan inside the camera body?

    it is a bad design! a stupid way.

    much more dust would get together inside the camera body.

    Nikon needs other way, none a fan.

    • timon

      moreover, much more dust would also get together inside the lens.

      it is bad too!

    • GrumpyDiver

      Possibly, but it is still less expensive than going to a Pelltier effect cooler which would make more sense to improve low light performance on the sensor. I’m surprised that this has not been implemented yet to reduce high ISO noise.

      On the other hand, if shooting video, cooling the screen would make sense to improve performance. Filters are required to keep the dust out for sure and a simple heat sink would be a benefit for video shooters. Patent protection for the obvious is a joke though.

      • Timon

        Nothing they aim to reduce high ISO noise.

        The two points, 1. a long video recording heated a sensor might condense some dews surface, it is especially a mirrorless camera in cold season. 2. a camera has the latent risen heating troubles.

        I think that with a heat pipe exchanger connected the camera alloyed shell to be likely an appropriate way.

        None a fan inside the camera body.

        • timon

          Wherein winter outdoors, when you taken a long video recording later, just in moment the lens instantly dismount from the camera, whereas the cold air easily condensed some dews at the sensor surface.

          • timon

            Not only in video recording,

            In cold and wet condition, like dawn in late autumn or winter, once you taken a long time shooting, do not instantly dismount the lens from the camera body, to avoid some dews and vapor condensed the sensor surface or inside the camera body.

            Dawn and morning fog, you meet with beautiful first light of morning, but cold water vapor surrounds with your camera, wetting around the cover.

        • GrumpyDiver

          Condensation will only happen when you drop camera elements below the dew point (temperature). That implies that the camera has to cool down, and the last time I checked a working camera heats up.

          The last time I checked my cameras all tell me that I must operate them in a non-condensing enviroment. To get into a condensing environment I would have to store my camera at an ambient temperature that is cooler than it is outside and then take it outdoors. The only time I’ve done that under high humidity conditions when I went from an air conditioned environment to a humid outdoor environment. I can’t say I’ve ever encountered the conditions like the one you are writing about.

          The other condensing conditions that I have encountered is shooting outdoors in the winter and then bringing the gear indoors into a warmer, more humid environment.

  • Tony

    Waiting for my D700s :D

    • FF

      +1

    • ashwins

      +1000

  • Jabs

    Here is what perhaps is lost on many Nikon 1 detractors:

    If you turn loose a bunch of Engineers with a clean slate – meaning a new camera concept designed without the constraints of the film era – then interesting things can occur.

    It is like teaching an old dog new ‘tricks’ while the old top dogs now laugh at the new tyke or rugrat on the block revitalizing the ‘dogs’.

    The Nikon 1 is a modern SYSTEM being envisioned differently with unique ideas that is now driving Nikon to further greatness but the ‘old dogs’ don’t get it – such a pity!

    If you think that all this new thinking is not spurring things on at Nikon in all areas, then you are an old dog with maybe cataracts or perhaps blind as a bat and clueless too.

    Innovation usually looks like silliness to the closed minded or those satiated by their own cleverness – LOL.

    Flame ON – but remember, I just jumped from outer space and landed safely on Earth without burning up in re-entry too.! Decipher that – lol.

    • Timo

      To me a camera is a tool. It should do what I need it to do and do it quickly (meaning e.g. without diving into the depth of the menu)
      If the V1 is so innovative, why the heck it gives you continuous shooting but no bracketing? Why does it offer a personal white balance (which consumers will hardly ever employ!) but no Kelvin scale? etc. etc.

      For the notoriously overwhelmed, a J2 with one button would be fine: the shutter. (you can take their style from their own wording: “this camera makes great pics!” : the camera (!) not the shooter)

      For the others, maybe “old dogs” some more direct controls, please. At least for aperture, shutter speed and ISO. (and braketing, a hotshoe, and a better/faster EVF etc.)

      • Jabs

        @Timo – I agree with everything except the flash and would prefer Nikon to just add CLS functionality so you can put a Nikon FX/DX flash on a tripod or mount and use it wirelessly. You need small bodies, small flash and small lenses to make sense – to me!

        Big flash and small bodies look almost as bad as big lenses on small bodies and you might get poked in the eye by yer flash too – lol

        Ever thought that with a big flash on a V1, that you might not be able to look through the viewfinder as the flash might be in the way – LOL

        OK – Nikon ‘VB3′ – Viewfinder extender – moves the EV two inches back to allow you to see through the lens when your SB910 is mounted on the V1 – $100.oo list

        Nikon ‘MD Extender’ below to allow you to hold the V1 when a large flash is mounted, so it does not tip over and be too top heavy.

        Nikon ‘OD’ – to allow you to find your V1 when large flash is mounted – beeps remotely on your iPhone or Android device too and allows remote shutter release and viewing plus increases the Dork Factor – lol. Where did I put that V1 again – Ah, it’s in that umbrella over there – lol

        See what happens when you think of attaching big things to little bodies, then you end up with a small Nikon F body and larger accessories – Look up an old Nikon MD System layout at mir.com and see what I mean. The accessories when added to that film body made it really huge especially the high seed motor drives and Ni-Cad battery packs.

        • Timo

          When I said “hotshoe” I didn’t have in mind to use my SB 900 as a handle for a V1.
          But Yeah, you brought it to the point: CLS is the keyword here, to illuminate a scene with a SB on a stand triggered by something in or at the camera. (from the viewpoint of output the flashes build into DSLRs and the tiny thing for the V1 must be pretty similar anyway)

          • Jabs

            @Timo +1

            Yeah, I got you now. LOL @ SB900 as a handle for the V1 quip. Still laughing.

            Yeah iPhone on a 200 F2 or is that a 200 F2 holding up an iPhone – lol

  • Jabs

    I am glad that Nikon is run by a bunch or well trained and disciplined Engineers that know about cameras and digital sensors plus the associated controls and systems to link them up into a working piece of camera or equipment.

    Expeed 3 is great and also digital plus multi-channel but few realize the brilliance of it and also WHY Nikon chose to introduce it on the Nikon 1 System.

    Nikon makes higher end stuff better than digital cameras, so perhaps you go look at their web site about their digital measuring devices and digital microscopes. Perhaps you will learn why Nikon is so good and educate yourself perhaps.

    http://www.nikon.com/products/instruments/index.htm

    It’s a new world and the old one is dead but still trying to kick up a little dust apparently!!! Must be on life support machines then?

    • GrumpyDiver

      If you were to look at the Canon, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic or Olympus websites you would be able to draw exactly the same conclusion.

  • D800E_is_finall_here

    All the existing D800 owners are too busy either taking pictures or testing their left AF point. come back in a year and people would start wondering about D900.

  • theRBK

    if they took the P7700 and fit the sensor, mount, and electronics of the V1, sure would make a far better camera than either of the two at the moment…

  • Plug

    For a lens like that I would like to see a camcorder style body optimised for video and audio. A mini NEX VG30 if you will. Smaller, just as capable and with better handling. You could use F-mount lenses on it too for massive flexibility. Design this, not the C1.

  • Coolpix comes next?

    What a waste of time and resources, that. We´ll probably get five different (same) Coolpix models with exciting colors by the end of the year. And a 50-200mm f/6.3 VR II zoom. How exciting!

  • luc

    @Admin

    The news concerning the mirrorless nikon is just a waste of space and ressource IMHO, most people here don’t care about this. Could you put theses elsewhere ? I come here for nikon F mount news, not theses toy cameras.

    • zzzzzzzzz

      This site is for everyone. Many very successful pros enhance their set-up with a V1 alongside their FX and DX stuff. If you are not interested in CX then so what? Many are. If you don’t like it don’t buy it. But have the grace to acknowledge that CX has been very successful for Nikon and the R&D that has gone into it benefits Nikon in making technological advancement as has the profit that it has clearly made. Perhaps you need a toy to throw out of your pram.

    • AC

      @Admin

      Luc’s opinion on Nikon Mirrorless is a complete utter waste of space, time and resources IMHO. Could you please put these elsewhere? I come here for well-balanced, sensible and intelligent comments on camera and lenses.

      P.S. ‘H’ stands for humble in ‘IMHO’. In your case, I think other adjectives would be more appropriate.

      • BartyL

        +1

  • Hendog

    I’d love to see Nikon enter the digital cinema market to compete against RED, Canon and Arri etc. Nikon surely have the capital, infastructure and the experience. RED is a good choice for film makers, but it is flawed. It just isn’t entirely reliable.

    It’s not a massive market, but having a Nikon digital cinema division would give Nikon a ‘high end’ appeal in a trickle-down fashion also. So perhaps a cheaper option – a $20k(ish) camera with a native F mount. New 5k FF sensor with huge dynamic range, great in low light. Rock solid, reliable performer. This could appeal to independent film makers who could use new Nikon cine lenses (F-mount, could be used on video enabled DSLRs) or, if budget is limited, ordinary Nikon glass could be used.

    I know there’s not a lot of film industry people on NR, but the idea of this is exciting, and makes some sense.

    • Jabs

      @Hendog – Nice sentiments but you can already use your FX mount lenses on RED bodies, as many already do that since it is one of their options (RED mount, Canon mount and Nikon mount bodies), especially lenses like the old 300mm F2.0 ED-IF.

      I think Nikon would get clobbered in the Cinema area but in the DSLR Video area, they already are technically ahead of Canon plus RED does not make an FX sensor or one of as high resolution as the D800/800E. Nikon used to make ED Cinema and Video lenses years ago and they are still well regarded there.

      RED’s strength is their RED Code and their flexibility as a modular system plus their awesome image quality at up to 8K resolution plus their audio quality and thus they have no competitors there but people merely barking at them. RED has a new sensor coming up too that’s going to cause some mayhem for their competitors.

      Nikon could up their Video game or chops with a high megapixel 4K Video D4X and then rule that area but to compete with RED would be pointless. Let Canon and Sony do that – lol – and lose money. I like a conservative Nikon that knows how to make real great products and not stretch themselves too thin or go after too many diverging markets.

    • GrumpyDiver

      I can’t see Nikon getting into serious video work as the cost of entry to this marketplace is simply too high. While they do have a serious professional level support infrastructure in place for still cameras, they have nothing in place for the video line. The two businesses need a completely different infrastructure, and the only camera company that has been reasonably successful in supporting both is Canon.

      Let me explain… The high end of video digital work is covered by three companies; Panavision with their Genesis line and their own lenses, Arri, with the Arriflex camera and the Zeiss Prime lenses, and RED, with their Epic cameras and their own lenses. Of course Panavision, Zeiss, Cooke, Schneider, Leica and Red are the major lens suppliers. These are really the companies going after the feature film market. Nikon has no presence in this market segment.

      The next level of market is primarily serviced by Canon, Panasonic and Sony, and to a lesser extent, Red with the Scarlet-X line. There are other players like Ikegami and JVC. These cameras are often fixed lens cameras, although all offer interchangeable lens recorders. Fuji is also a strong lens player with its Fujinon line and Korea’s Samyang seems to be starting to take the lens market quite seriously. These cameras service the advertising, documentary, corporate and prosumer markets. Nikon has no presence in this market segment.

      Once you leave these relatively lucrative markets, you start dropping into the DSLRs and other prosumer and consumer cameras that shoot video. These tend to be used by amateurs and documentary filmmakers. There have been some excursions into prime-time TV, but generally, these are not serious players (yet). The lack of good sound (none of these cameras supports phantom power microphones), poor focusing ability (no peaking functionality), marginal encoding qquality (the downsampling from native to standard 1k or 2k), lack of parfocal lenses, lens breathing, use of stepping motors rather than linear motors in the lenses, manual white balance that is buried in the menu system, etc, really show me that the still camera manufacturers view video as a secondary requirement and are not designing for serious video shooter needs. None of the major players other than perhaps Panasonic impress here. I really do hope that they smarten up, but I suspect convergence is still a generation or two away, if ever. All of the major players, other than Nikon have business units covering other market segments and likely do not want to cannibalize this part of their business. Nikon does not have this constraint, but has not made any serious effort to be a major disruptive force in this market segment either.

      I rather doubt Nikon wants to get into the consumer level video camera market as it is rapidly being absorbed by the phone cameras. Consumer level video cameras are not a market segment that I see a lot of opportunities in.

      So, bottom line is the only place that Nikon could make a difference is in the DSLR line, and they really don’t seem to be showing any inclination to do so… I understand that the 4k standard was just a couple of days ago, so we are a long way from using the full capabilities of the (5k) Nikon D800 (which is my primary still camera) for video use.

      As an aside, I do shoot a lot of video, but pretty well exclusively use a Panasonic AF100. I use both Panasonic Lumix lenses and use my F-mount lenses with a Novoflex adaptor. I usually use a Lumix 14-140mm lens, a Tokina f/2.8 11-14mm F-mount and a Nikkor /2.8 24-70mm lens when shooting video.

  • RenoRaines

    I’ll own a Nikon 1 System camera when they pry my F5 from my cold dead hands. If Fuji ever gets out of the film business, my main camera will be a digital camera, but it won’t be a Nikon 1 System camera.

    • v1owner

      It’s good of you to let us know you won’t be commenting any more on Nikon 1 System rumors. Can’t wait for your insight on the next F5 rumor.

  • D400 M.I.A.

    D400? Not yet?

    Series 1 junk?

    Nobody got a patent on the color pink yet?

    P&S.

    Bye.

  • ageha

    The patent for the 1 Nikkor 10-100mm f/4-5.6 got filed on August 2 2011, before the f/4.5-5.6 got announced? o_O Are you sure the design patent isn’t about the same lens?

  • Larry C

    Owens-Corning had a patent on pink.

    Well, for insulation anyway.

    They sold a LOT of pink insulation.

    • D400 M.I.A.

      Quantity not quality.

  • No Nikon 1

    Nikon 1 camera system is for pink plaid pattern, short skirt wearing Tokyo school girls.

    I am not buying it.

    I don’t want to even think of any kind of camera with a sensor smaller than Nikon DX.

    I’d prefer a larger sensor than DX – if I could afford it, I’d buy a Hassy with a greater than 60MP sensor in MF format.

    The compromise is D800 (or D600 a a pinch).

    This is not an untypical attitude of most enthusiast photographers and while those of us able to buy a D4 and a D800 represent a small number of people, I think I represent a large number of Nikon DSLR owners and say that I’d really like to see **less** about CX and smaller format cameras and lenses.

    CX and smaller format cameras are here to stay, because they produce pure profit for Nikon and sell to the mass market…

    So… What to do about it?

    Can we PLEASE have a different place for DX and FX from the CX and smaller sensor gear please?

    • ageha

      No.

      • No Nikon 1

        So YOU are admin then?

        Think not.

    • JK

      “Nikon 1 camera system is for pink plaid pattern, short skirt wearing Tokyo school girls”

      Touche!

      • No Nikon 1

        Quite so.

    • Testosterone charged

      While were about it lets have a different place for zooms,particularly superzooms, because they are generally less sharp and slower than primes and therefore cater for the plebs.
      Membership of the “mine is bigger and better than yours” club is I suspect not the desire of most readers.

      • No Nikon 1

        Didn’t say anything about bigger … only implying a split at about the top end of the P&S quality level.

      • JK

        I agree.

        I climbed Machu Picchu carrying a D300s and an 18-200. Most of the computer jockeys on here think that any photos not shot wit a D4 and 10 fast primes isn’t a real photo. You try lugging that lot up 11,000 Ft

        And to piss of the purists off even more, I dropped a grand on an 18-300 recently too. Before anyone starts, distortion control fixes the worst of it’s faults.

        I loved watching a camera knob trying to change a lens on a sand dune in Sossusflei, Namibia a while back. He filled it full of sand of course. F*ck I laughed!

        Super Zooms forever! I’m out there shooting with my superzooms….. while most people trolling this site are parked in front of the computer dreaming…..or doing something involving lubricant.

        P.S where’s my D400?

        • No Nikon 1

          >P.S where’s my D400?

          No… Where is *MY* D400.

          ;-)

        • GrumpyDiver

          Machu Picchu was a breeze; it’s not even at altitude, so hauling camera and video gear there was no problem at all. Cusco and Amantani Island on Lake Titicaca were both more challanging than MP. The Panny superzoom died on the second day at Aguas Calientes – it really did not do well with Gatorade spilled all over it. Had to shoot a backup P&S and video or the rest of the trip. From an altitude standpoint, Tibet and especially EBC was much tougher on the body.

          Sossusvlei; a couple of D9o cameras and a Panasonic AF100 video camera there last year and no issues at all keeping the sand and dust out. I would have had to drop it to fill it with that beautiful rust-coloured sand. Driving the last 5km / 3 miles there and back at sunset, through the deep sand without getting stuck, was the challange… The sunsets over the Namib desert were stunning… While I referred to Namibia as the “land of sand”, we really had no problems with dust or sand.

          The D400; I suspect will never arrive. DX is (unfortunately) a dying breed. CX and FX seem to be the way Nikon is going.

          • JK

            A breeze? Already I know two things about you. One, You’re American, and two, you took the bus. You can Drive to Cuzco and Lake Titicaca, which I did, and you did too. I could have had a whole studio with me, but I didn’t. That’s not how I travel.

            I spent 3 years in Africa, and and watched that lovely fine Namibian sand kill more cameras than I’ve ever owned. A weather sealed pro body is essential. Which is now the problem. The only camera on offer is the D800, which when you travel screams “Gringo!” (which I’m not) and “Rob me!” (which I try to avoid….. mostly by not wearing white trainers and socks, or being loud and obnoxious – refer to my earlier ‘Gringo’ point above)

            So now thanks to Nikon, to stay with them I must now buy a new body and all new lenses. That now makes me a new customer. I have to buy everything from scratch, so I’m no longer bound to buy anything Nikon makes. Jumping ship is now a very easy and highly probable scenario.

            I tried Olympus Micro 4/3 (the Pen) and that’s now on Ebay. It’s not good enough, and Nikon 1 isn’t either.

            It’s D400 or the highway I’m afraid. And I’m not the only one. It seems my Nikon days are coming to a end, sadly.

            • Plug

              I’ve visited Namibia many times. I so agree about the sand. it manifests as very fine dust and is a major threat to cameras particularly when changing lense. I book a thorough clean-up for them on return. You don’t see it happening until it’s too late unless you are very careful. I suspect my V1 would not be happy there.

            • GrumpyDiver

              Actually, I’m not an American and I have ruined a camera in Africa, in the Sahara near Douz in Tunisia during a small sandstorm. I learned my lesson there, I was very careful with my gear in Namibia and kept everything in closed storage cases and only changed lenses in the truck I was driving. I had dust / rain covers along just in case, but did not need them. We had two D90 cameras and and a Panny AF100 video camera there, with around 8 different lenses. All are worked fine for the 3-1/2 weeks we were on the ground there, except for the Sigma 150-500 had the focus electronics blow on the last day in Etosha. That was a manufacturing issue, not a sand issue.

              I’m sorry, but the only breathing problems I had in Peru was climbing some hills on Amantani and Tequile Islands, which were at altitude. Yes, you are right we drove from Cusco to Puno. Machu Picchu is at around 2400m, which is not particularly high. Lake Titicaca is at around 3800m, and that is definitely at altitude. Everyone handles altitude differently, so that fact that I did not have any issues has more to do with my body being able to handle it and nothing more. I certainly do understand altitude sickness; some of the passes in Tibet and EBC were over 5200m and I certainly had symptons there.

              I’ve hauled higher end photo and video gear on every continent including quite a number of developing countries and the only thing I’ver ever lost was a lens cap, and that was my fault for letting it drop off the edge of a cliff. The D800 (yes I do own one) is dust and water resistant, but not sealed, so I do not tempt fate by exposing it to conditions that could penetrate the seals. You’ll have to go to the D4 for true sealing, and even then that is only true if you use one of the pro lenses with o-rings on the lens mount.

              So instead of assuming that you are right about these things, you should consider that others have had different experiences from yours.

    • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

      https://www.facebook.com/NikonGirls

      Some awesome Nikon Girls on Facebook.

      Of course if you just want to hang out with hairy chested knuckle dragging FX shooters, that’s your choice. ;)

      • No Nikon 1

        Take a look at that page …

        I see FX and DX cameras …

        Don’t see a Nikon 1 …

        • http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iFpREuP7itbI.jpg Gordon Moat

          Exactly. I couldn’t find any pics of “pink plaid pattern, short skirt wearing Tokyo school girls” there. :D

          • No Nikon 1

            Thank God!

      • ageha

        The Nikon 1 girls are here: https://www.facebook.com/nikon1.nij

    • GrumpyDiver

      Sorry, but DX is dying, Nikon has only introduced about 13 DX lenses and it is hard to see any more DX cameras and lenses coming out, given the push on CX and FX.

      DX was always a temporary solution; not full-frame nor a cheap commodity camera as the price of ful-frame sensors keeps dropping. If you look at the stats, most DX users never use more than one lens and the average DX user buys 1.5 lenses for their camera; including the one they bought with their cameras! I seem to remember reading that one of the rationales that Nikon used for not putting a lens motor into their lower end cameras is that most users never removed the kit lens that they bought with their camera. Nicely said, serious shooters are going FX and people that want something a bit better than camera phones are going CX (or MFT).

      The future is likely CX for low end / casual shooters that want better quality than an iPhone , as point and shoots are gradually replaced by the cameras built into phones. FX cameras that are becoming less expensive as the sensor prices continue to drop. Just look at cameras like the D600.

      I don’t regret buying a D800, but I will consider a D600 as a backup once my D90 dies. It would give me 90% of the benefits for 2/3 of the price of going ful-frame.

  • Funduro

    Nice looking package there. 10-100 in black looks like it was designed in the Bauhaus minimalism look. Real cool in my book, definitely will make me read the upcoming V2′s specs and reviews.

    • ageha

      It looks exactly the same than the current 10-100mm lens.

    • Big J

      Same here, I think it’s a interesting camera. For me it’s a step up from the norm of P&S cameras. I’m personally looking forward to the V2

  • MB

    So a year or so after announcement Nikon is already replacing 10-100 for system 1 with new one?
    If only there is a market for system 1 lenses the development time to fix a poorly designed product would not be wasted, but for a poorly designed system this is just a waste of time and money .

  • Dweeb

    Grip PLUS fan? That should be:

    — ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

  • 103david

    Okay, what do we have here?
    Basically dealing in a dead format…squandering a formidable engineering capability to perpetuate the D.O.A. aforementioned format.
    I really hate when one has to grab the R & D Supervisor and shake his ass and tell him to get back to work.
    The only thing that makes sense at this particular time is to pursue FX and DX format.

    • No Nikon 1

      +1

      • No Nikon 1

        Did you see what I did there?

        :-)

        • v1owner

          Yes: you got your completely-worthless-posts-today count up to 9.

          • No Nikon 1

            Yeah … I had to get out and shoot some amazing sunset shots.

            ALL of them, shot quickly and without too much fuss on FX and DX cameras, are of better quality and are far more satisfying than anything done on small sensor P&S cameras… Link the “1″ series.

            @v1owner … step up your game and at least get a DX camera, you’ll never go back to toy sizes once you do.

            • v1owner

              @No Nikon 1… Wrong assumption – since 2004, I’ve accumulated a D70, D200 and D300s. This year I got a V1 as well.

  • Big J

    The lens design reminds me of the new Sigma lenses.

  • Ed

    Instead of blaming Nikon about DX, blame the market.
    DX = PC market
    CSC = Tablet/Smartphone market
    One speeding up and the other slowing down.

    By the way, a thousand “Tokyo school girls” are way better than a couple of old farts ;)

    • bjrichus

      Ed,

      History shows that once 35mm became realistic in the first part of the 20th century, nothing smaller has been able to equal it. The last 20 years shows that FX is the dominant quality format with DX being a close challenger with it now good enough for about 90% of most peoples needs. That 90%:10% ratio seems to mirror the sales of DX to FX as well.

      CX and smaller formats are still not at anything much (if at all) better then entry level DX (perhaps not even at that level), but will improve over time.

      I think the problem is that the market is evolving so is a confused picture.

      Yes to the comment about “Tokyo school girls” but the Tokyo school girls are not the traditional NR reader…

  • Remedy

    Am I missing something about this whole 1 concept especially in lens department? This lens is fking dark/dim/whatever and yet huge as phuck. What da phuck? This tiny sensor does not translate into any lens advantage in this 1 system. Lenses are huge, dark and not optical wonders. What’s the fking point having this over D3200+N18-105 for instance? Hopeless.

  • http://euphoria.lviv.ua/ Max

    Nice try, but i think Nikon V1 never beats SLR camera.

  • desperate

    replacement of d700 appear on nikon rumors please!!

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