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The Coolpix S800 will be the first Android based camera from Nikon

Nikon will finally announce a new Android based compact camera. The model name will probably be Coolpix S800 (or S800c) as you can see in this Indonesian Communication Agency filing (filed on July 31, 2012):

The expected camera specs are:

  • 25-250 mm lens
  • 3.5" OLED screen
  • The camera runs all Google Play apps
  • The camera will probably run Android 2.3
  • Built-in GPS
  • Built-in Wi-Fi
  • Possible announcement: August 22, 2012
This will be a major Photokina announcement for Nikon. It will be interesting to see if Nikon will release high-end Android based cameras (and maybe DSLRs?) in the future.
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  • James

    It’s a shame the Android version is so old, considering the fact that Nikon rarely seem to provide much in the way of after-launch firmware updates. As far as I can see, most of their cameras get no more than one update post-launch.

    On the plus side, perhaps this may mean that useful features not implemented in Nikon cameras can be added as an app; hyperfocal focusing is an obvious example (though less of a big deal with this part of the market). It could also be useful to be able to install useful photography-related apps (“Golden hour” for example) on the camera itself.

    • http://picasaweb.google.com/roger.ethan.moore Roger Moore

      I assume they’re using an older Android version because they’re using a less powerful (and lower power consumption) processor that can’t run newer versions. That may or may not be a smart move, but it seems like the most likely explanation.

      • Global

        Don’t say, “It’s a shame” — that’s not common sense, unless youre a hacker or something. Android 2.3 is extremely good for small, handheld devices and much more important to user experience is the software that companies like Samsung, HTC or.. Nikon.. will put over it.

        2.3 works great, is stable, has TONS of support out in the community — most developers understand it who work on Android — and most Android apps were designed with 2.3 in mind.

        This will be a very familiar environment for the majority of Android users.

        • Global

          Honestly, if you have anything to fear at all — its about what type of software Nikon will put on top of ANY operating system it chooses. If its a Pure Google experience, it should be fine if Nikon just made “Nikon Apps” (but normally companies like to “smooth it over” with their own branded software). Nikon has a huge chance to destroy this product with bloated software. Or it can make it a very open and free experience.

          • http://micahmedia.com Micah

            Bring on the hacks!

    • http://www.dwijadas.com Dwija

      I am not getting into version issue.. but I have a question for you. What you want to do with this camera ? browse internet/play game/music ?

      I think the point here having Andriod will open up the possibility in communication with the camera.

      I would love to see one day D800 has Andriod and a wifi !

      • Andrew

        Well, smart phones are sporting cameras, so it is about time that cameras sport operating systems with web browsers, games, and music players.

  • http://www.apaflo.com Floyd Davidson

    Can you imagine a D4, or better yet a D4s, model running Android…

    The first major company that does produce a DSLR based on Linux is going to have a hot product…

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      it can be good or bad, depends…

      will it be open android phone or just plays android apps but whole image taking will stay proprietary?

      • Arkasai

        The scientific and medical research community would really appreciate an an affordable high end camera with a top of the line sensor and firmware they can rewrite to their specific needs.

        The average consumer stands to benefit a little less from a DSLR running Linux, as much as I’d like one. Custom ROMs and overclocked kernels will be made available, allowing people to push the hardware far beyond the manufacturer specs as far as ISO and frame rate. I feel like the cameras do exactly what I need them to for now and I mess with my phone enough as it is, I don’t need to juggle ROMs for my camera too.

    • bob d

      Actually there’s already a small embedded Linux kernel on the D4. That’s what the in-camera website runs on, among other things. It is locked down and not powerful enough to modify or run user applications, though.

  • amigo

    new title : THE COOLPIX S800 WILL BE THE FIRST CAMERA WITH BUGS VIRUS AND USELESS HACKS/PLUGINS.

    Ho wait, it look like a Canon.

    • Ragnarok

      It’s Android, little to see with Microsoft.

      • Sky

        It’s Android – exactly the reason for useless hacks/plugins/apps that distribute all your data to random people in the internet.

        Don’t be so Clueless – Android is a 21st century Windows – cause as Microsoft learn – Google still sits in a cave and allows 1/3 of market being either stolen crap or malware.

        • n/a

          the guilt is not on the platform part, but on the official marketplace attitude: you can be draconian like apple where genuine apps are rejected, or semi liberal where all sorts of scum will try to exploit openness…

          than add to the equation greedy clueless masses who install all junk as long its free, or better install stolen/hacked/cracked “paid” apps (of course from untrusted sources) – not because whey need ones, but to justify expensive gadgets they do not need in the first place

          by the way, this mens not apples approach is any better – substantial (or even majority) of iphones are rooted and install apps (and infestations) from alternative sources witch fall out of official statistics

        • Ragnarok

          So the problem is that you have the OPTION to install crap apps? LOL! I wish that was the only problem with Microsoft’s products. And please don’t talk about software stealing your data because they can teach you a few things from Redmon.

          Clueless? Windows phone is a bad joke compared to Android and iOS and 85% of the market agrees.

          • tl;dr

            when you install an app on android, it will show you what permissions the app are asking. if you smart enough you’ll read and try to understand what those permissions are for. Just like, if you smart enough, you’ll read the manual book of your camera.

            if a system expect you to take responsibility for your action, don’t blame it because of your ignorance.

            • Ragnarok

              Sir, you are lost.

        • chk

          What you say about Android it’s true just if you’re a noob kid with incapacity to read few lines of text before you install a pathetic app no one will need except a kid.

          Otherwise the Android OS is far more secure than jailbreaked iOS where you will install pirated crap from alternative sources without having the bare idea of what they will do about your data.

          Inform yourself.

    • Sahaja

      Maybe Canon will use WP

  • dbltax

    Anyone for a game of Angry Birds while we wait for golden hour?

    • tomas

      no battery

      • D400

        LOL!

  • doniking

    compat camera + camera 360 / magic hours / camera Zoom FX applications would be fun to use.

  • FrenchGuy

    I really want to know what’s the use of including an Android OS in a camera?

    Anyone has a clue?

    • http://www.islayblog.com/ Armin

      Would allow to upload pictures to all kinds of services, possibly use of various map services and much more with an already existing service. Helps to compete with the smartphones and their ever better cameras, in particular in the compact segment.

      Makes a lot of sense to me, provided it is executed well.

    • Claustral

      While it’s too early to know anything for sure, perhaps it makes sense if you think of it as an Android smartphone with a really good camera. I’d be a little surprised if it does include telephony functions due to the complex licensing issues with local telcos around the world. More likely it will connect with the world via wifi.

    • http://www.VolCo360.com Ken Elliott

      This could be a big deal. It means third party programmers can add features to the camera, rather than waiting for Nikon.

      Some of the apps are obvious – file transfer to your cell phone for uploading to the web or another service, remote viewing and control. But just like programmable PCs killed off dedicated Word Processors (Wang, IBM) and programmable phones (iPhone/Android) are killing conventional cell phones, you will likely see programmable cameras killing off conventional cameras. That’s a huge advantage and Nikon appears to be the first major camera manufacturer to move on this.

      Now image a FX mirrorless pro camera that runs third party apps. Think something like a NEX 7 and D4.

      Or this could be another one-of-a-kind design and I’d be wrong again.

      • Sky

        Not really – I wouldn’t make high hopes for it. If there will be any API for it at all – things you will be able to do won’t exceed beyond shooting JPGs with tiny sensor. Sorry but that’s not a big deal at all.

        • Greenbean

          You missed the whole part of all apps on the Google Play Store will work on this camera therefore any camera apps made for any android phone will work on this camera. So whatever API’s work now will work on this camera.

      • Sahaja

        You will have to root your camera first.

        Wish they had chosen a real Linux instead of Android – still it should at least be better than the OS on any other camera.

        • BartyL

          “You will have to root your camera first.”

          I know that means ‘attain root access’, but in Australia to ‘root’ something principally means to ‘have sex with it’.

          So I’m having a quiet kindergarten-levle chuckle at all this talk of rooting cameras.

        • semi-ambivalent

          They can’t use Linux because of the GPLv3. Using a BSD would be the way to go; much better license for this usage, better low-spec performance. Bonus, Linux doesn’t even have ‘chflags’.

          • s-a

            Forgot to mention the BSDs can boot into various secure levels where not even root can edit a file or write arbitrarily to a file system. Of course, that’s not what Facebook’s driftnet wants…

    • http://picasaweb.google.com/roger.ethan.moore Roger Moore

      One of the big advantages is that you’ll be able to take your pictures straight from the camera to the Facebook, Twitter, Picasa, or Email App without having to download them to your computer first. I think it’s more of a big deal for casual photographers who are most interested in sharing their pictures with friends as easily as possible than it is for more serious ones who are going to want to process everything first, but for those people it can be a big selling point. It’s something that Thom Hogan has been talking about- and questioning why camera companies can’t get it right- for quite a while now. This is especially nice because there’s already a solid set of Apps out there that should work with the new phone out of the box, rather than Nikon having to build their own App ecosystem.

      That also points out that there’s another big practical advantage for Nikon to basing their phone on an existing OS like Android. Stock Android already has useful features like GPS integration, touch-screen controls, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. built in. Nikon only has to write parts of the system that are specific to their camera hardware and they get the rest of that stuff for free. It may actually be easier for them to start with Android than to develop a new camera themselves; it’s almost certainly easier than developing a new camera with all those features and user programability.

      • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

        Since you mention me…

        > One of the big advantages is that you’ll be able to take your pictures straight from the camera to the Facebook, Twitter, Picasa, or Email App without having to download them to your computer first.

        Is that really what a user wants? How would that be different than having WiFi and a menu item that said Send to Facebook? I’ll point out something that I told a Nikon engineer working on this project two years ago: replacing a menu and buttons with an app icon and touching doesn’t actually reduce user workflow. Now give me a shutter release that can be programmed to “save to X with the name Y, downsize to email to Z and also tweet and Facebook it” and you have something. What makes me think we won’t get that? ;~)

        • vFunct

          The workflow you describe needs an open, programmable system. One button + command isn’t going to be able to interface to all the various systems. Each (Facebook, Instagram, Tumblr, Twitter for amateurs, Getty, AP, etc. for pros) is going to need their own app, and that isn’t going to be replaced by a common shared function button/menu item.

          Hopefully there will be middleware API with their own apps as well that allows users to crop/straighten photos, maybe do some color correction & exposure compensation, before delivery to uploading apps.

          Meanwhile, this is actually exciting for me, as a fashion runway photographer, nothing pisses me off more than having tweets from crappy cell phone cameras scooping our runway imagery.

          • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

            You are correct, what I (and others) want is an open, programmable system. I told that to Nikon directly over two years ago.

            You can already do what you want with the current 20mp Samsung NX cameras. Would be a better choice for beating those cellphone and Coolpix users anyway, since the APS sensor in those cameras is actually pretty good.

            • vFunct

              no we still need this kind of feature on high end pro products like the D4.. that’s what runway & celebrity photogs use. Samsung NX doesn’t cut it – focus too slow, slow lenses, etc.

          • Samsung Soe

            The NX system is really nice and has far more pros than cons. Its time to give it a rest with this “high end pro” nonsense. The fashion shots I could make with a NX20 + 85 1.4 on the NX would be far better than the cell phone images you are crying about. Honestly for that kind of viewing, no one is going to be able to tell the difference between your already obsolete/overpriced boat anchor “pro” camera and the NX20.

        • Worminator

          The point is that, with Android, if there is a market for such features then someone is free to develop the app to make it happen. The possibility is there, where it was not before.

          Android-based compact cameras were always going to happen, it’s nice to see Nikon taking a lead here.

          • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

            Your assumption is that Nikon will actually publish a useful set of APIs to the camera features and controls. Seems unlikely. Also disturbing is the fact that once again we’re getting a lagging Android version with a new product, which fragments the development base.

            • http://shashinkaichiban1.wordpress.com Shashinka Ichiban

              Not sure if Nikon would want to release API though. From standpoint of tech support or warranties, Nikon may find themselves inidated with warranty claim work for poorly installed, or unsupported apps that cause conflict with hardware.

              I expert if I work a repair center and receive malfunction X800 with a service report that read: Install, app, camera hardware no longer works. Camera comes with no more information, as to what app installed, when, where, by who. Nikon most likely will not have compiled list of “good apps” I likely to commit seppuku.

              Forbid, when hackers start finding loopholes in Android 2.3/S800 hardware to hack. Easy social engineering to all connected social media.

        • http://picasaweb.google.com/roger.ethan.moore Roger Moore

          I’m inclined to think that most people will want to do some kind of filtering of their pictures before sending them off to Facebook, which makes the ability to use a Facebook app handy. But if you’re right and I’m wrong, you’re free to use your mad programming skillz to write the Thom Hogan Nikon App that implements your vision of how the camera should work and sell it in the Google Play store. You could even bypass the store completely and sell it on your website so you don’t have to share the proceeds with Google. That’s the real beauty of a relatively open development environment like Android; we’re not stuck with what Nikon chooses to give us.

          • http://www.bythom.com Thom Hogan

            Judging from the Android apps we’ve gotten so far for other devices and the fact that the Coolpix market size will be even smaller, I’m a bit doubtful that we’ll get extensive, professional, well maintained software for the camera. And again, for this to be useful Nikon will need to give us APIs to the camera itself, not just the standard Android APIs. What we can do will also depend upon CPU and memory. Given that this is a Coolpix and its likely price point, I’m not expecting quad core with lots of memory ;~).

  • http://www.islayblog.com/ Armin

    If it really runs on Android 2.3 I very much doubt it will run all apps from Google Play. I suspect there will be quite a few which will require a newer version of Android to run, or at least to run fully.

    I hope they’ll improve on the Android version!

  • http://www.benbammens.be Ben

    Can I make a call with it? :)

    • worminator

      No.

      • Jesus_sti

        skype !

      • neliel

        maybe someday.. we can make a phone call too.. LoL

  • Johannes

    Can you make phone calls with it? If you can´t make phone calls with it what´s the point, goofy apps for retards too stupid or lazy to retouch their photos on a computer, games, screen savers, the latest fake shutter sound?

    • Chris

      Well look at you feeling all superior. Maybe you don’t have much use for it but many of us can find one. Isn’t creativity supposed to be a guiding principle of photography? Maybe for you it’s just childishness.

      • Johannes

        Taking pictures with cell phones in all but exceptional circumstances is a form of laziness.

        • http://www.islayblog.com/ Armin

          Really? I see quite a few people who take better pictures with phones or compacts than others with an (often expensive) SLR.

          • Red Fez

            They are not taking better photos, they are just simply using filter apps to make a crappy shot better.

        • jake

          Really?? The best camera is the one you have with you.

          I don’t carry my DSLR and a assortment of lens, flashes and modifiers with me to work every day, when I go out to dinner, run up to the mall, fishing, etc, etc, etc.

          I have my DSLR when I have a vision I wish to create.

          I’m waiting for nikon/canon to work directly with HTC on a new smartphone.

          I can see a APS-C sized sensor in a cell phone someday, really, I can.

          • zoetmb

            You won’t see an APS-C sized sensor in a cell phone unless some radical advances are made in batteries. There’s simply not enough power to drive that sensor. Besides, the cell phone lens is too small.

          • Ewan Whosearmy

            A cell phone with an APS-C sensor would have to be the size of… a camera. Unless they figure out a way to change physics, a large sensor requires a large lens.

        • Zoetmb

          No..it’s a matter of priority and convenience. Personally, I always want my best camera with me, even though it’s a burden to carry, but for people who consider photography to be about capturing a moment to remember and not about the art, there’s nothing wrong with cell phone and point and shoot cameras.

          And since the 1950s or so, we always had them. The masses did not shoot 4×5 or even 120, for the most part. They used little Brownie cameras, Polaroid cameras and later, little plastic and cardboard disposable cameras. Today’s cell phone and p&s cameras are the equivalent of those and used properly, they can actually get better results.

          I’m not a fan of recording every trivial moment of one’s life on Facebook or Twitter or similar apps and I can’t say I really understand the logic of those who spend their lives on such services, but obviously, there are tens of millions of people (if not more) who do find value and pleasure in using such services and a camera that can instantly send photos to such services will be welcomed by the market.

          So get off your high horse. Not everyone wants to carry around a 1.5 pound brick and a 2 pound zoom lens. And not everyone cares about making art. But having said that, there are plenty of people walking around with expensive DSLRs who take thousands of pictures of cats (and not very good ones at that). And there are those who purposely use crappy cameras like Holgas to create art.

          So the camera you use doesn’t matter. It’s your vision that matters. Anyone who thinks that because they use an expensive, heavy camera that they are a great photographer doesn’t understand the art of photography.

          • Red Fez

            Just because I wasn’t hired by the AP or whoever to cover the Olympics doesn’t make my opinion or the others irrelevant. This no
            tion you’re applauding is hardly new, the adage “no photographer is as good as the simplest camera” goes back decades.

            Even so, it’s al
            so always been the case that when a person got their first “snapshot” camera, at some point they realized that they wanted to do more, to create something that would make one go “wow.”

            They then IMMEDIATELY set their sights on a camera better than their current Polaroid etc so as to have a camera that really matches their aspirations, and they left the Kodak Instamatics in their rear-view-mirror **immediately**. It isn’t about being “gear obsessed,” it’s about having gear that’s commensurate with your aspirations, skill level, or both

        • Samsung Soe

          You post on nikonrumors.com comments and you’re criticizing other people?

    • Boing Wronkwell

      It is a way for Nikon to survive the upcoming destruction of the P&S market by smartphones.

      “Don’t fight it, join in” is actually a very smart (ha!) thing to do.

      If this gets executed properly, it could be a very good move – as in very profitable for Nikon and raise the profile of the brand way up.

      Not aimed at anyone who would prefer to use an SLR (considers themselves a photographer)… unless it finds its way into a D800 or more likely a D3200 replacement, but as the implementation matures, it might resonate with us find value. See? I can use marketing blurb too!!! :-)

    • http://picasaweb.google.com/roger.ethan.moore Roger Moore

      Don’t think of it in terms of goofy photo effects. Think of it in terms of having your choice of HDR and panorama stitching apps available on the camera rather than depending on whatever flawed version Nikon chooses to provide. Think of it in terms of having photo sharing software available so you can send your pictures to Facebook, Twitter, Picasa, Email, etc. without having to download them to your computer. It also means Nikon doesn’t have to waste time figuring out how to handle GPS and compass integration, develop Wi-Fi drivers and connection software, write their own touch-screen implementation, etc. They can focus on making a good camera and depend on Android for all that stuff.

      • GeoffK

        Most of us edit our photos before they go out. Other than some newsworthy event, I would not send an image I did not run though a little post.

        • http://picasaweb.google.com/roger.ethan.moore Roger Moore

          Yes, most of us do that, but most of us are buying DSLRs, not P&S cameras. The market for P&S cameras for the masses is still a lot bigger than the market for high-end cameras for serious photographers, and Nikon really needs to be doing well there if they want to keep afloat as a company. I think this is a smart move, even if it’s not particularly appealing to the average Nikon Rumors reader.

  • Dweeb

    Because Nikon will never co-operate with Apple.

    • http://www.joelc.com.au Joel C

      Or the other way round…

      • Boing Wronkwell

        +1.

        If you want to take part in the Apple ecosystem, then it is Apples way or no way. Very often that works against the interests of the third party. No meaningful negotiations, unless you want to give up some of your share and add to Apple’s… As all negotiation is done under NDA, it is “so I am told”… Ha!

        • zoetmb

          If you produce an app for the Apple eco-system that’s sold via the Apple stores, you get to keep 70% of revenue and Apple pays (and takes the risk on) all the credit card processing fees. While some very large content companies balk at giving away that much of revenue, it’s actually a pretty good deal for most organizations. In the traditional physical distribution model, you generally had to sell software (if you could get a distributor like Ingram Micro-D to take your product at all) at 45 to 50% of list price and they could return anything that didn’t sell or was returned to them by retailers.

          The other thing that’s nice about it is that within the eco-system (as opposed to Apple buying your technology or app or forming some kind of partnership) everyone, large or small, receives exactly the same percentage. So you don’t feel like you’re getting screwed and the big boys are getting all the money.

          If I have any complaint about Apple’s eco-systems, is that they’re TOO OPEN (even though most critics complain that it’s too closed). As a result, you have tens of thousands of completely garbage applications clogging up the e-commerce stores and it’s near impossible to find anything of value. The other problem is that once something does sell, it becomes a self-fulfilling proposition because once it makes the best-seller list, other people buy it because they can see it and because they perceive that it must be a good application.

          Apple’s also has to better separate games from apps, since games are taking over the sites.

          • Sahaja

            Apple “TOO OPEN” – give me a break

          • Boing Wronkwell

            We are not talking about kiddies writing ‘apps’ in between sessions of self-abuse in their bedroom here, we are talking about hardware integration … $60,000,000 or so of work – and that’s on the cheap, not considering things like world wide regulatory approvals and so on .

            As someone involved in the computer hardware, software and telecoms biz for several decades this is an entire different ball game.

            As for Apple being open … you’ve not been about very much, have you?

            ;-)

    • JLK

      What does Apple have to do with this story? At least a Canon troll would be more on topic.

      • Boing Wronkwell

        Either involved with an Android vendor, Apple or Microshaft.

        Who else is there now that Nokia are in bed with Zeiss….

  • Spiderweb

    If you doubt the purpose of having android on camera, let me tell u, be it android or ios, they are more then a phone. Phone feature is built on top of these os. It’s purpose is to allow l you to do more thing than just phone call. In camera, it allows mor ethibg to happen other then snap picture.

  • Booyah

    Smartphone > smart camera. Last thing I need to do is carry two devices.

  • Living in the Past

    So………

    Does that mean we can play Space Invaders on it?

    • http://www.islayblog.com/ Armin
      • Living in the Past

        Neat.

        What about making ‘phone calls……..?

        • Joseph Miller

          If it has a mic for video shooting and a speaker for playback, you could likely use GrooveIP or similar when in range of wifi. Might have to use it on speakerphone though, and may or may not be of acceptable quality. Also, it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility that they could add a cell radio, though it would likely be classified the way tablets are and thus only allowed to use straight data and not voice or sms except in cases where those are sent as data such as using the Google Voice app or a VOIP one

  • Chris Russo

    This is a cute idea… and certainly neat… but an unwise plan.

    With a full(er)-featured OS there comes complexity- and as someone else mentioned earlier (perhaps jokingly) viruses and hacks and such… perhaps not literally, but the real point there is there are just more attack surfaces, areas for issues to arise, etc.

    A camera is only good if you turn it on and you can take pictures… reliably… every time. Even very “closed” OSes like IOS have lots of complexities and are occasionally wiped out or crashed by various issues that come part and parcel with that complexity. Get a more open OS like Andoid in the mix and you’re very likely to start missing your shots. Next thing you know “Oh my camera crashed when I tried to shoot that picture”, or “My camera won’t start up”, etc. Not good.

    This is just a consumer-market camera, so these concerns are somewhat lessened, but end-consumers can be even less understanding of the complexities and potential reliability issues that could be contained in a package like this than more experienced users, so it could be bad for the brand.

    Toss on top of this all the issues of a vendor who is almost entirely used to a very vlosed and very simple operating systems now being responsible for their devices running a complex one. Making this shift properly is certainly possible for a company, but it is rarely easy and very often a significant failure.

    Just not a good idea if you ask me.

    • Boing Wronkwell

      Agreed.

      What was that about the P&S market place going away?

      It does however seem to be an innovative way to still make profits from the low end.

      No – I didn’t say a “good” way to do it as Android (and iOS) are both less than ideal for this use IMHO, but if it generates profit for Nikon to invest in making better higher end cameras, then it’s OK.

    • Jake

      My HTC One S has never crashed while taking photos.

      I guess, in your eyes, evolution in technology is just a bad idea period…..

      • Chris Russo

        Right, yes, that’s it.

        You have no idea who I am or what I do, but clearly because I have an opinion that goes against a current planned innovatin, I am against technology evolution.

        The opinion you read- from me- is from a person who is in IT and has been for nearly 20 years. It is from someone who is always surrounded in technology and technological innovations. I’ve watched as technologies evolved and get introduced… some of these things have been marvels, some have been boners. No company gets it right everytime. Nikon is no exception.

        If you think this is the next great marvel, then by all means feel free to say so, but don’t try to disparage ot

        • Chris Russo

          (continued)

          …disparaage other’s opinions out of hand without at least knowing who you are addressing and what their credentials may be.

    • preston

      Chris, how long did you hold out from getting a computer, because, you know, they tend to crash once in a while? Do you still hand write every letter? You must have been really upset when digital cameras started to outsell film cameras because memory cards sometimes erase all the data!

      • Chris Russo

        Oh goodie, another one. LOL Ah, the internet.

        Do you want to play this game? Boy did you pick the wrong target. LOL

        I’ve had computers and been working with them since I was 8 years old. I was making excuses about my 8″ floppy drive disk being eaten by the dog before most people knew what a floppy drive was. Since then I’ve typicallyhad more infrastructure in my home than many small businesses… and for a good while there I had more infrastructure in my home than some large ones.

        Again… before you folks point fingers and lob these childish remarks around you might want to consider you don’t really know who you’re talking to.

        • preston

          Thank you for pointing out how excellent you are and proving that I picked the wrong “target”. LOL

          Since my pointed sarcasm only succeeded in offending you I’ll explain what I intended for readers to take from my statements (and I expect they did, except you weren’t able to since your mind was clouded from getting all huffy and puffy).

          You said, “Get a more open OS like Andoid in the mix and you’re very likely to start missing your shots.” You are grossly over exaggerating the reliability problems of Android devices. If this was the case then there wouldn’t be tens of millions of units out there running perfectly fine out there right now. If it’s reliable enough for phones then it’s reliable enough for cameras, period. Plus, I’m guessing the Android part of the interface should be separate from the operation of the shutter itself. For example, if it can’t find a network you will still be able to take pictures. The camera won’t take 30+ seconds to start up like my phone because it has Android. Your statements clearly expressed a fear of technology (the other responses to your post confirm this) and that’s what I was satirizing.

          And by the way, your last statement about how I should consider who I’m talking to is absolutely ridiculous. This is a forum on the internet. There is no way you could expect anyone to actually know who they’re talking to before they post a response to a comment. I was responding to your expressed opinion, not YOU.

          • Chris Russo

            I didn’t say you should consider who you are talking to. I said you should consider you don’t know who you’re talking to. In other words, don’t assume or guess.

            You are assuming and guessing a number of things- including that tha Android OS won’t be that directly tied to the phone’s main functions, and therefore that it won’t have that much affect on reliability.

            I’m basing my statements on experience with technology, not fear of it. You appear to be basing yours on conjecture and guessing, and what appears to be android fanboiism.

            I guess we’ll have to watch and see what happens.

            Mind you, I’ve been wrong before… Xbox on Windows CE was a terrifying concept and they eventually (mostly) made that work. Perhaps this one will be the same. Who knows. The problem with the Android space, however, is it’s not as tightly controlled as the Xbox space… much greater chance of a wayward app causing issues.

            It really gets down again to experience… experience shows us that closed standard market apps and platforms are generally more robust. It’s just logical. You HAVE to follow explicit rules or your solution doesn’t go on the platform. More open-market ones require more intelligence and dilligence on the part of the consumer. It’s not that you can’t have a “no issue” open-market experience, but it takes more know-how, and consumers are not always that savvy.

            Anyway, feel free to tell me some more how I’m clueless.

            • AluK

              A wayward app causing issues on Android takes all the humongous and dreadful effort of closing it and uninstalling.

              Android is fully sand-boxed and everything that is installed lists all the permissions it needs to work. No app installed by normal ways (either front-loaded or side-loaded) has ANY chance of messing with the OS or any files you haven’t given it permissions to mess with.

              Android is secure, probably a few thousand times more secure than anything Microsoft has ever released.

            • Chris Russo

              Sure, you can stop and uninstall that wayward app… right after you missed that picture.

              I think it all depends on how serious you are about photography and how much you’re looking to have a new toy.

              Toys are great, but tools get the job done.

            • AluK

              If you’re serious about photography and are using an app that you haven’t tested thoroughly beforehand to capture something that is a time-critical/single-opportunity thing, you’re just dumb.

              There’s this thing called common sense. It’s good to apply it, usually.

  • Chris

    Well, this should be interesting, so while i take a break i could make a call via Skype, so i would practically lean over my DSLR and look retarded as if i am a mad man speaking to itself , but, but, Sir, Will it posses speakers ? That would be cool.

  • Pro Camera

    Android is a stolen product from Apple.

    It was a bad decision from Nikon.

    • Sahaja

      No.

      Android is a stolen product from Linux.

      OSX & iOS is a stolen product from BSD Unix.

      Nikon should have used a proper (non-crippled) version of Linux.

      • Boing Wronkwell

        Doesn’t really matter where this stuff came from, it matters who owns the Patents now!

        Sad.

  • Bob Mielke

    Does any serious photographer really care about Android/Windows?/OSX operating system. I buy cameras to take still photos, not videos, not to make phone calls, surf the web or text. I even turn off GPS on my cameras supplied with it. I care about image quality and photographic features. You want Android, buy a phone and take your dinky, blurry little snapshots.

    • jorge

      Here! Here!!

      +1000

    • C_QQ_C

      Current/modern DSLR’s also run an operating system like a form of sized down Linux and contain CPU’s just like PC’s otherwise they would even not be able to “read” the Sensor matrixes and compute pictures from the electrical information supplied by the sensor.

      So i would not know why an adapted form of Android could not be used for all this, and on the fly allow for more “in-camera”possibilities ..

      Add to that WiFi communications, not just to upload Data ( pictures) to a network, but also prives a cheap means of remote control for your camera ( by PC or Mobile phone) , and it makes perfectly sense to use such an operating system for a camera.

      iOS is out of the question for this, because apple is a much to protective company ( and probably wanould want lots off $ too if they would cooperate) for this. Same goes for Windows btw , microsoft has just the same mentality as does apple…. so that leaves Linux or Android…

    • Jake

      That is the whole point. The pictures being created by cell phones are getting better and better and better.

      When I’m not carrying my “big rig” I don’t want to have to have a cell phone and a P&S.

      Do you not get this??

    • Sahaja

      Android is an operating system derived from Linux – it is at least a better operating system than current camera operating systems which are at about the level of MS DOS (if that).

      You will find the Linux operating system embedded in all kinds of devices including phones, PDAs, cars, medical equiptment, GPS devices, and machine control systems. It would also work fine as a camera operating system.

      Nikon probably chose Android so users can link GPS tagged photos to Google Maps and upload them to something like Picassa or Panoramio.

  • C_QQ_C

    Mmm S800 …. will there also be an S800E with the low-pass filter removed ?

    • Jerry Pizza

      LOL +1

  • Bravin Neff

    In terms of the general direction of the decision making, it is smart move. I’m less convinced a P&S Coolpix needs Android, but generally this is what Nikon and other camera makers should be doing.

    Of course none of us will be surprised when Thom Hogan poo-poos it for not being an Apple, or for Nikon not being Apple, or somehow or other managing to slip the Apple name into every other sentence when he responds.

  • Ludwig

    This is one of the most enlightened moves forward by a camera company in decades.

    The user interface of modern cameras has been their weakest spot for years now as the hardware engineers just do not seem to understand the need to customize camera functions.
    My Nikon is a brilliant piece of hardware, let down by poor software.

    Of course most people will not be programming the customizations themselves, but those who do will get a mature operating system with a range of free development tools. And those who do not want to delve into the programming will be able to download extensions that will make their cameras so much more useful.

    Imagine:
    Time series shoots with freely programmable intervals.
    Macro shooting with focus bracketing.
    Track an object across range and automatically shoot while it remains visible.
    Transmit viewfinder image in real time to a remote device and trigger release from there.
    Switch camera preset when you change lenses.
    Or simply reset the camera into a definable standard mode whenever you turn it off/on.

    If, a big if, Nikon gets this right, we will not be able to recognize cameras in a few years.

    • Yeshe

      I agree! Too bad though that they decided on using Android for that to happen. I’m sure they have enough know-how in the house to do what Apple did; create their own modern OS ( environment) and stay free and independent. – That’s what Nikon always been for me! Now when they are joining side with Google’s new world order I’m disappointed, to say the least! I thought Nikon had much more integrity and would be the last kamera-maker to fall for that. -How wrong I was! Even if this is only for the P&S market today they have clearly shown now in what direction they want to move into the future. To me this is a huge contamination of a unique brand. From now on I will have a hard time trusting Nikon in their “independent” decisions on how they want to develop exelent tools for us who have photography as a profession.
      For me, this is like worst news I could have recieved about Nikon’s vision for their future! Maybe it is time for Apple to become a serious kamera-maker. He he!

  • oh no!

    Well.. I have Android phone and this OS is a disaster!! Really I hope they will not implement this OS to the DSLR lineup :-( they should implement there iOS and not this Android shit.

    • Ludwig

      Under the hoods Android is the more flexible operating system, iOS is heavily optimized (particularly in thin visual layer) to a very small number of devices, while Android can easily be customized to run on devices with very different capabilities. Plus it is freely available, while getting iOS on a Nikon camera is just not an option.

      The other option for Nikon would have been to write all this themselves. With Android they get a tried and tested system that already runs without major problems on hundreds of millions of devices. Piggybacking on Android saves Nikon years and millons of dollars of development. And we get the first truly user-customizable camera that will (hopefully) play nice with all sorts of third-party apps.

      Getting it all right is not trivial, but this move is both bold and sound.

  • jake

    Imagine the new Nikon J5, the size of a HTC One S or One X, with all the functions of the camera with the processing of dual/quad core proccessors.

    And have the ability to change lens….

  • Alberto T

    Instagram in my D5/D900!! Yay!!!!! [/sarcasm]

    • Samsung Soe

      No one will be using silly bulky DSLR cameras by the time they would be up for refresh.

  • Sledge

    I would like an app that turns the camera into an incident light meter.

  • zetlorf

    It’s a very, very good news, because all possibilities that Android could offer. I have DLSR’s, mirrorless, but my main photography tool is my mobile phone, because it’s with me all the time, and due to the built-in filters, the photos can have a very specific look. But the main drawback with this mobile phones is the quality of pictures. Thats why we need good tools which offers great IQ. In this days aniway, an interesting photo have to be post-processed (even if we set only the contrast/brightness/etc. is still post-processing), but with the built-in filters & apps we will have new approach to taking photos. Anyway, for a good photo it needs a good eye, not only PP, so not anyone will be a good photograph. And i hope the S800 will not be a DSLR-like bridge, but a slim camera. If anyone will put android in a mirrorless with interchangeable lens, will be a winner, imho.

  • EnPassant

    Interesting. Question is only when we get a really usable high quality camera-smartphone. I could see Sony marry RX100 with one of their phones.

    • jake

      Or the J1 sensor and AF in a HTC One X perhaps.

      • Boing Wronkwell

        If they don’t charge DSLR prices for it, that could be interesting….

  • Mira

    I’ve never been more excited to shoot film than when I read this. Valleywagers: can I indulge in just *one* thing–one tiny little thing like photography–without angry birds, “targeted” amazon ads, and the “status” updates of random kindergarten classmates crowding me away?

    • Patto Desu

      + Infinity!
      I suppose there may be some justification for people who don’t have ready access to a computer, but the “need” to upload pictures (other than the formerly mentioned newsworthy event) instantly, is crazy. People spend so much time being plugged in to the internet, they aren’t plugged in to themselves and the things going on around them.
      Stop.

      Take a deep breath.

      Experience the moment.

  • gonzalo

    Wait! I will take your picture!
    Android booting…
    Let’s hope it’s stable…

  • R8R

    Once this hits the Android community and the camera gets rooted you can potentially expect some amazing things. Custom frame rates for video, hotrodding the continuous stills rate, custom menus and shortcut options…the sky’s the limit.

  • EvanK

    Android 2.3? Come on, at least 4.0 or 4.1. Let’s hope that we can get CM10 onto this.

  • Pro Camera

    Nikon is a great company. As Sahaja said ealier, Nikon should make their own proprietary OS using a version of Linux.

    It is hard to understand why Nikon would make themselves depended on Android (read Google) for software.

    Google is not reliable. I can see already commercials popping up while taking pictures.

    • Sahaja

      I agree.

      I have a GalaxyNexus, an iPhone 4s and an older phone (Nokia N900) running a version of Linux. The Galaxy and the iPhone are pretty – but the operating systems on both are really crippled compared to the phone running Linux – I find them both very frustrating. Plus I don’t like all the control Apple, Google, and Microsoft are trying to exercise over iOS, Android and WP devices.

      Sure the Android and iOS devices have many more apps available for them than the N900 has – but an awful lot of them are cr@p. How many apps do you really need anyway? Actually if I want to I can install and run almost any application packaged for Debian Linux on the N900.

      A version of Linux optimized for running on cameras would be nice.

      • syd

        are you on the right forum?

  • Sahaja

    I wonder what processor this camera will have. Are they using a processor (e.g ARM) that Android already runs on – or have they ported Android to a Nikon processor?

  • MB

    I doubt Nikon will go for Android 2.3, it is pretty old and was mostly targeted for phones so it is not so easily extendable to suit cameras.
    It seams Nikon do listen to what users are saying, Android was something many raved about recently, I am not so sure if it is the right choice for a specific camera use though.
    If only they do the same and listen what users are saying about Nikon 1 system …

  • wants_D3

    Nikon is doing this to ultimately save money/shorten time-to-market for new products. Perhaps unexpectedly (and most likely true in the point and shoot market), software development is a huge cost and time sink for modern camera manufacturers. The issue is that users’ expectations for what software can do go way up every year, yet companies like Canon and Nikon are not really software manufacturers. Google, however, is probably the world’s best software company at the moment (or is at least tied with Msoft and Apple). Another problem for Nikon is that having to rewrite camera software for every new microprocessor you want to use can eat up a lot of time between releases and create new bugs. So, instead of Nikon having to worry about making their software dramatically better, compatible with the latest microprocessor hardware and free from bugs, they can have Google take care of most of that for them. It will mean, though, that they do not have complete control over what chips they put in their cameras (other than the image capture sensor); however, the benefits of using Android probably far outweigh the limitations. Nikon programmers and engineers will still have to write the nitty-gritty image capture code that interfaces with the sensor, but they don’t have to worry about all of the other stuff. Imagine – unlimited settings banks! A new hipstamatic-style photo filter every week! Automatic GPS/RFID/contextual image tagging!

  • D400

    What are the implications of android OS? does it mean we all get 100% custom firmware? That you can change the functions of every single button?

  • Jay Bird

    Oh boy! another device to pimply faced girls can instantly upload crappy images that shot of themselves to Facebook. Where can I get one of these gems?

  • tronix

    Soon we will be answering phone calls our cameras!

  • R8R

    The good news is that this means a camera that readers here might actually be interested in will be announced soon. This is how they did it with the D800 – crapola V1 and coolpix announcements first, then the good stuff.

  • ken cockless

    This many comments on a toy camera running facebook software??? Holy shit, you are all double nerds for taking interest in this.

    Nikon Facebook 2.bullshit

    • Sdnd

      Well said, my friend ! It is a relief that there is atleast one voice of sanity in this facebook-google-android-geek infested world !

      Tomorrow these guys wil be clamouring for a refrigerator with Android OS !

      “The Geek shall Inherit the earth” – Horror of horrors !

  • fred

    +1000000000

    I agree. Smart handsome man. This announcement is crap. You are good looking!!!!

  • http://+ Absolutely

    +100000000000000000

    Too right mate. First intelligent comment like right dingo by crikey.

  • Harriet

    I press your like button to the order of millions of repetitions.

    Very intelligent answer. I would so dearly like to meet you to discuss further wisdoms and ponderings of this high caliber.

  • Joel

    wants_D3 is spot on with what he says about the move to Android being based upon time to market and harnessing the development community to create apps that enhance the user’s experience without Nikon needing to invest. It’s not about providing you with the ability to run Angry Birds or Skype, but it is about allowing you edit your images with a cut down version of photoshop or LR in camera, and then post to Twitter/Facebook.

    It’s a brilliant idea and as a casual Android developer, it’s one that I’m so thankful that they’ve embraced.

  • Eric

    Nikon’s programmers are so far behind the curve. They couldn’t do decent software to save their lives. So expect this camera to fail miserably. And watch for Google ads in your LCD!

  • bigeater

    a huge part of running a photography business is promotion, and a huge part of promotion at this point in time are facebook, twitter, and the other social media . the only question I have is whether this camera will make it easier to put samples of my work up on social media and will my work look better than the pix posted by my competitors using their iPhones.

    • Sahaja

      You are running a photography business and you are thinking about competing on social media sites with a Coolpix against competitors using iPhones?

    • iphones

      ahahahahahahahaaaaaa!

      coolpox vs ifones!!!!! absolute perfect way to iterate just what type of camera the coolpox is.

      all good. coolpox and iphones have their place and true art cares not the megapixels it was taken on. I guess we’re all so hanging on the edge of our seats for a new camera announcement that we actually read about phone software on toy cameras.

      Now if I could just get that last 5 minutes of my life back……..

      :-)

  • Christian N

    When the Nikon system camera body comes out that has Android, Flickr,Facebook,Google+ direct photo publishing and a fullsize sensor for a decent price $999 I’m buying it. I would be willing to accept/trade a less megapixel count sensor for full sensor size.

  • Samsung Soe

    wow 42 trackers found on this site… Some like Google +1, Analytics, and FB are normal, but 42… Admin care to explain?

  • http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/karelfiedler Karel Fiedler

    Standard for a new device is ICS or JB …
    better would be system like Nikon 1 and like tablets with¨bigger display 7-10″
    … if we need camera then we can mount other lens than a basic pancake (size of Pentax DA 40/2.8 XS) etc.

  • ahmed

    i dream a android camera with call facilities( GSM ) … camphone…. Not possible ?

  • Karel Fiedler

    Phoshop would be ported to Andoid / Linux devices, too … :)
    … or we have to add one processor for runnig W7 / W8 /Wxhell for simmilar devices ?

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